Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Fri Jan 12 2018 12:05 AM
Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describing Immigrant Countries

Lawmakers slam Trump for referring to Haiti, African allies as 'shithole countries'

WASHINGTON, Jan 11 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned why the United States would want to have immigrants from Haiti and African nations, referring to some as "shithole countries," according to two sources familiar with the comments.

Trump's comments, made in the White House, came as Democratic Senator Dick Durbin and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham briefed the president on a newly drafted immigration bill being touted by a bipartisan group of senators, according to the sources, who asked not to be identified.

Other government officials were present during the conversation, the sources said.

The lawmakers were describing how certain immigration programs operate, including one to give safe haven in the United States to people from countries suffering from natural disasters or civil strife.

One of the sources who was briefed on the conversation said that Trump said, "Why do we want all these people from Africa here? They're shithole countries ... We should have more people from Norway."

The second source familiar with the conversation, said Trump also questioned the need for Haitians in the United States.

Many Democrats and some Republican lawmakers slammed Trump for his remarks.

Republican U.S. Representative Mia Love, a daughter of Haitian immigrants, said the comments were "unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation's values" and called on Trump to apologize to the American people and to the countries he denigrated.

Another Republican Representative, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who was born in Cuba and whose south Florida district includes many Haitian immigrants, said: "Language like that shouldn't be heard in locker rooms and it shouldn't be heard in the White House."

Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, a frequent Trump critic, said the president's comment "smacks of blatant racism, the most odious and insidious racism masquerading poorly as immigration policy."


The program that was being discussed at the White House meeting is called Temporary Protection Status. Trump has moved to end the status for immigrants from El Salvador, which could result in 200,000 Salvadorans legally in the United States being deported, and other countries.

The bipartisan Senate plan would attempt to maintain TPS in return for ending or changing a "diversity" lottery program that has been aimed at allowing up to 50,000 people a year from countries with few emigres to the United States.

Asked about Trump's quips, White House spokesman Raj Shah said: "Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people."

"Like other nations that have merit-based immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation," Shah said.

Another source familiar with the meeting said Trump was questioning why the United States should take in unskilled laborers from the countries under discussion and should instead welcome immigrants from nations that can offer skilled workers.

The source said Trump did not intend any slur.

Is it "elitist" and "insulting" if it is demonstrably true?

The U.S. spends 135 billion a year on the burden of illegal immigrants. And 53% of LEGAL immigrants are also on welfare. Is it too much to ask that we more carefully screen who comes into this country, and weed out those who are gaming the system at the expense of us, the taxpayers?

Or is it more important to import more Democrat voters, no matter what kind of scum and financial burden they are?

If these people are desperate to leave these countries because of severe poverty and crime (Haiti, Mexico, nations of Central America and Africa) are they not, in fact "shitholes"?

As they immigrate here, they bring the drugs, poverty, corruption and crime that infests their home countries.

If, for example, armed robbery and kidnapping are rampant in Brazil, is it not a danger to bring millions of Brazilian immigrants to the U.S.? I've had many Brazilian friends tell me how rampant crime is there. Kidnapping of relatives for ransom is prevalent throughout South America. Is there not a danger of bringing kidnappers, drug traffickers and other criminals among legal immigrants. And needless to say, among illegals even more so. That is certainly happening among Mexicans in border states.

Or is it too much to ask that we revise policy to something that protects our citizens and makes that a priority over bringing in immigrants, legal or illegal?

Wonder Boy
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Fri Jan 12 2018 12:21 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Haiti is the poorest country in this hemisphere, comparable to nations in sub-Saharan Africa. Its military controls the country in a way comparable to how warlords control countries such as Somalia and Sudan. The per capita income there is about $700 per year.

That pretty closely approximates my definition of "shithole".

Wonder Boy
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Fri Jan 12 2018 12:27 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Trump hits back at outrage over 'tough' immigration language, trashes DACA 'deal'

President Trump hit back Friday at the growing international outrage over reports that he questioned why the U.S. was taking immigrants from “s---hole” countries, while taking aim at a so-called immigration “deal” announced by a group of senators the day before.

In a series of tweets, Trump both defended his immigration stance while claiming the remarks attributed to him weren't accurate.

“The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!” Trump tweeted early Friday.

The “language” the president referred to came during talks Thursday with lawmakers at the White House. Despite Trump's denial, multiple sources have confirmed what was said, and the White House did not deny it overnight.

“Why are we having all these people from s---hole countries come here?” the president said, apparently referring to people from Haiti, as well as some Central American and African countries. He reportedly added that the U.S. should admit more people from countries like Norway.

Later Friday morning, Trump went on to deny he said anything "derogatory" about Haitians.

"Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!" Trump tweeted.

Utah Republican Rep. Mia Love, a Haitian-American, said the president's comments were "unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation's values."

Amid the backlash, the president on Friday also slammed the supposed “DACA deal,” which a group senators were hammering out with the goal of extending protection for young illegal immigrants brought to the country as children. Trump on Friday detailed what he thinks is missing from the plan.

“The so-called bipartisan DACA deal presented yesterday to myself and a group of Republican Senators and Congressman was a big step backwards. Wall was not properly funded, Chain & Lottery were made worse and USA would be forced to take large numbers of people from high crime countries which are doing badly,” Trump tweeted Friday.

The reference to high-crime countries seemed to be an explanation of the concerns Trump expressed about certain nations at Thursday's meeting.

The "deal" in question was introduced to the president by a group of six senators—Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., Cory Gardner, R-Co., and Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Michael Bennett, D-Co., and Robert Menendez, D-N.J. They did not detail what was included in their deal.

“We have been working for four months and have reached an agreement in principle that addresses border security, the diversity visa lottery, chain migration/family reunification, and the Dream Act –the areas outlined by the president,” the senators wrote in a joint statement. “We are now working to build support for that deal in Congress.”


Democrats are working to preserve the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which was ended by Trump in September.

Trump has said he will only agree to a deal with Congress on immigration if it includes funding for his wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I want a merit based system of immigration and people who will help take our country to the next level. I want safety and security for our people. I want to stop the massive inflow of drugs. I want to fund our military, not do a Dem defund,” Trump tweeted minutes later.

He added: “Because of the Democrats not being interested in life and safety, DACA has now taken a big step backwards. The Dems will threaten ‘shutdown,’ but what they are really doing is shutting down our military, at a time when we need it most. Get smart, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”

Congress has until Jan. 19 to pass a temporary spending bill to prevent a government shutdown.

The president tweeted again, moments later, blasting Democrats for their approach.

"Sadly, Democrats want to stop paying our troops and government workers in order to give a sweetheart deal, not a fair deal, for DACA. Take care of our Military, and our Country, FIRST!"

Whether or not Trump used those actual words is not the issue. Bottom line, he spoke candidly about the nations we are receiving immigrants from, and of the best interests of the United States in selection of immigrants.

You can argue that Trump is giving his enemies ammunition in his choice of words. But the truth is, the media will ALWAYS find a way to spin what Trump says in a negative light, however carefully worded. (Past examples with other candidates: Romney's "Binders full of women" he would appoint. Romney talking about the dangerous tipping point of 47% dependent on welfare/public benefits, who will always vote for a big-government Democrat. Which was demonstrably true, and actually a lower percentage than others have factually cited. )
I'd rather have a president who addresses the core issues, rather than a president who dances around the issue and never solves it, just because the latter choice polls well, while not solving the problem.

The issue is, based on over 50 years of immigration since 1965:

Which nations give us immigrants who assimilate well, and give us law-abiding highly educated taxpaying patriotic professionals, who assimilate and strengthen us?

And which nations statistically decades later don't assimilate, statistically don't graduate high school and don't pursue higher education, who statistically more often develop multigenerational dependency on welfare, and statistically more often end up in gangs or prison?
"Shithole" indeed!

Democrats seem to have no interest in weeding out MS-13 or Tsarnaev brothers type immigrants, so long as they vote Democrat while collecting their welfare benefits and blowing up the country.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Fri Jan 12 2018 02:54 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

I wanted to show some clips where they specify what precisely was said in the meeting with Trump that solicited the "shithole countries" remark.

The point man on this story breaking seems to be Senator Richard Durbin (D-MI):


The only YouTube clip in the "shithole countries" search I found that was slightly pro-Trump, it summarizes who said what in the meeting. With the context that Trump was, however indelicate, accurate in the fact that these are not great nations to live in, and their immigrants inherently don't offer the greatest skills and work ethic that people of other nations immigrating would:


And this from French media also briefly sums up what was said, with a lot of editorializing in such a brief clip:


What I notice is that when you do a YouTube search on the subject of "Trump shithole countries", what it pulls up is a list of pure anti-Trump accounts. There is no counterpoint whatsoever in what the search pulls up. Just a solid wall of anti-Trump diatribes from CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, and liberal blogs. Not a single commentary displayed from FOX, WSJ, or any conservative blog or source. Unless you know exactly what to search for by name, not in a general search on the subject:


Project Veritas did an exposure in the last few days of tech people for Twitter, who say they manipulate algorithms to shut out conservative opinion. So that conservatives think no one is responding to their tweets, when in fact, through Twitter manipulation, no one is even able to see what they are Tweeting:


And most directly to the point, regardles of the "Trump shithole countries" search, Laura Ingraham in her Wednesday 1-10-2018 program gives a great overview of the liberal plan in the current immigration system, and clearly lays out how dire it is to stop this stream of nation-altering third-world immigrants, before it destroys our national sovereignty.


Matter-eater Man
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Fri Jan 12 2018 07:45 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

And if Trump fucked a baby there probably would be less positive stories. This was the type of thing that made lots in his base jizz a little but it wasn't a good thing. He's a piece of shit so I'm not surprised he talks about other countries in such vulgar terms. In terms of advancing his ideas on immigration I don't see where this helps him out even. Again he might of made his base happy but offended everyone else.

the G-man
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Sat Jan 13 2018 11:24 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

If they aren't shithole countries why are so many people desperate to leave them?

Matter-eater Man
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Sun Jan 14 2018 09:26 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Why use that offensive language though G? Trump is supposedly for a system based more on merit so a doctor from a shithole country might be more preferable than somebody unskilled from a "good" country. His comments tied immigration to the countries themselves and in a very ugly way.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Sun Jan 14 2018 04:18 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Why use that offensive language though G? Trump is supposedly for a system based more on merit so a doctor from a shithole country might be more preferable than somebody unskilled from a "good" country. His comments tied immigration to the countries themselves and in a very ugly way.

I'll again refer to the book State of Emergency by Pat Buchanan (2006), that has a lot of statistics and studies of both legal and illegal immigration.

Over 50 years of statistics, the worst performing nations in terms of high school graduation, pursuit of higher education, perpetual dependence on and abuse of welfare, illiteracy, arrests, crime, incarceration in U.S. prisons, gangs, drug trafficking, and other abuses of the system, who perpetually into multiple generations are most often remaining in poverty, are immigrants from Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean. And sub-Saharan Africa. In his 2008 book Suicide of a Superpower, Buchanan cites a study that while those from African and other third-world nations improve on test scores when they immigrate and attend school in the United States, they still perform consistently lower than other immigrant groups.

You can point to 1 in 100,000 Mexican or Somalia immigrants who become a doctor. (And you seem to suggest letting in someone who already has that education and skills, which I believe we already do.) But admitting immigrants with no skills is risky from a nation where a 10-year old is statistically more likely to become an incarcerated gang member than a physician.
I said this before: I think we should look at immigration statistics since 1965, and give favored status (regardless of race) to immigrants from nations that statistically/historically for 50-plus years have a high ratio of assimilation by the above criteria (such as Japan, S. Korea, Europe and Canada), and a more difficult hurdle for immigrants from nations that have a low ratio of assimilation by the above criteria (such as Mexico, Central America, and sub-Saharan Africa).
That's fair, right? And it makes sense and protects the nation.

Another interesting detail Buchanan lists is that the 50 counties in the U.S. with the highest ratio of illegal immigrants are the counties with the lowest wages. Clearly, it is not that Americans won't do the jobs that immigrants do, it's that employers either 1) hire illegals with no interest in U.S. workers or 2) that illegals working under the table for lower wages price the wage so low that no American worker would want it.

In State of Emergency Buchanan cites a U.S. Congressional study that explored what are the professions that are most saturated with illegal immigrants. The job that ranked the highest is dry-wall installation in the construction industry, at 26% illegals. But that means 74% of dry wall installers are Americans!

The one debatable part of Trump's remarks is if he could have said it in a nicer way than "shithole countries".

First off, if you watch Laura Ingraham's opening commentary from Jan 12th(and a second Igraham editorial specifically about Durbin 28 minutes in), she explores Sen. Dick Durbin's record of proven lies, and asks if he is as believable as Trump. Trump and the Republicans who were in the meeting say Trump did not say "shithole countries". Only Durbin of those in the room alleges that.

Buit let's assume Trump DID use the term. If he used a more nuanced term, it would have gone unnoticed. Because he used that term, or is at least alleged to have used that term, it has galvanized debate on the issue. And for many, using that term or not, it has widely raised the notion among voters that these are not countries it is sensible to easily admit immigrants from. And I think that works in Trump's favor, toward the sensible limits and vetting of immigrants Trump is pushing for. That he won a campaign in 2016 on.

Wonder Boy
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Mon Jan 15 2018 01:10 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Rand Paul said in the last day or so that Senator Lindsey Graham in the recent past described these same nations as "hell-hole" countries, and no one made any noise about it being allegedly racist.

But where President Trump used almost the same words and said "shit-hole countries", his political opposition goes way off the rails and labels it "racist". Making pretty clear it is political maneuvering and Trump derangement syndrome, and not actual racism.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Tue Jan 16 2018 08:19 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Man, despite that it's already been shot down as untrue by two other Senators who attended the meeting, Sen Dick Durbin's narrative of the "shit hole" remark (if even that much is true) has extended into a nonsequitur narrative that it somehow proves Trump is a racist, and into a full blown PMS hissy fit by Maxine Waters and several other unsavory demagogues who now plan to boycott Trump's State Of The Union address.

Multiple people in meeting deny Durbin’s ‘sh**hole’ story, point out history of misrepresenting

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida — Sen. Tom Cotton said Sunday that Senate Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin is spreading a false story about President Trump saying the U.S. does not need more immigrants from “sh**hole countries” such as Haiti and El Salvador.

Mr. Cotton, Arkansas Republican, said Mr. Durbin “has a history of misrepresenting” such private meetings, which are not customarily recorded.

“I certainly didn’t hear what Sen. Durbin has said repeatedly,” Mr. Cotton said on the CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “Sen. Durbin has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings, though, so perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised by that.”

He was referring to the Obama administration contradicting Mr. Durbin’s account of a 2013 meeting in which he claimed then-House Republican leader Eric Cantor told President Obama, “I cannot even stand to look at you.”

At the time, White House press secretary Jay Carney said it didn’t happen, but Mr. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, never backed down from his account.

Mr. Cotton, who attended the Oval Office meeting last week on immigration, said Mr. Durbin got it wrong this time too.

Mr. Trump himself denied making the closed-door meeting remarks, which was first reported by The Washington Post, tweeting that “the language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used.”

He elaborated that he “never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said ‘take them out.’ Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings — unfortunately, no trust!”

At least two Republicans at the meeting, Sen. David Perdue of Georgia and Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, also said Sunday they did not hear the president use the sh**hole word.

Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer said Mr. Cotton and Mr. Perdue were out of line.

“To impugn @SenatorDurbin’s integrity is disgraceful. Whether you agree with him on the issues or not, he is one of the most honorable members of the Senate,” the New York Democrat wrote on Twitter.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, was also at the meeting, and he backed Mr. Durbin’s version of events.

The account pushed by Mr. Durbin spurred an outpouring of complaints that the president is a racist. Mr. Durbin said as much when Mr. Trump denied using the vulgar expression, saying the president “said things which were hate-filled, vile and racist.”

“We now know that we have in the White House someone who could lead the Ku Klux Klan in the United States of America, somebody who could be the leader of the Neo-Nazi,” Rep. Luis Gutierrez, Illinois Democrats, said on MSNBC.

Rep. Cedric Richmond, chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, and Rep. Jerrold Nadler, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, said they will attempt to censure the president this week.

“The President’s bigoted fearmongering is not acceptable and his remarks completely warrant total condemnation and censure from Congress,” they said in a joint statement.

Two Democratic lawmakers — Reps. John Lewis of Georgia and Maxine Waters of California — announced they would boycott Mr. Trump’s State of the Union speech later this month.

“I think he is a racist,” Mr. Lewis said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” program. “In good conscience, I cannot and will not sit there and listen at him as he gives the State of the Union Address.”

Mr. Lewis also led dozens of Democrats in boycotting Mr. Trump’s inauguration last year.

California Attorney General Xavier Becerra, a Democrat, said on “Fox News Sunday” that “in every respect, what he is showing is he is a racist.”

“Let me put it to you this way: mental instability, mendacity, now bigotry — having the combination, that’s lethal” for the nation, he said.

Some other Republicans defended Mr. Trump without denying that he might have said what was reported.
“I think it’s unfair to sort of paint him, ‘Oh well, he’s a racist,’ when I know for a fact that he cares very deeply about the people of Haiti because he helped finance a trip where they would get vision back for 200 people in Haiti,” Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican who is an ophthalmologist, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

He said the comments were not constructive, “but I also think that, to be fair, we shouldn’t draw conclusions that he didn’t intend.”

Democrat narrative, vs. reality.

A lot of those quotes are by people who can literally say anything and still get re-elected, their gerrymandered districts are so crazy-Left.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Tue Jan 16 2018 08:34 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Leaked Dem memo: DACA ‘critical’ to ‘future electoral success’

The Democrat-supporting Center for American Progress Action Fund (CAPAF) admitted in a leaked memo that passage of the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) program – that would protect nearly 800,000 illegal aliens from deportation and grant them amnesty – is a key ingredient in the Democratic Party’s future election success.

“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” the CAPAF memo reads. “Donald Trump and the Republican Party continue to jeopardize the futures of millions of Dreamers and their families and throw up roadblocks to meaningful legislative reform, and it is up to Democrats to stand up for them.”


Former Hillary Clinton official Jennifer Palmieri co-authored the document issued to Democrats at a time when President Donald Trump is mulling over what left-inspired immigration policies he must consider in order to fund his border wall spanning the United-States’ southern border with Mexico.

“The leaked memo comes as the Trump administration has endorsed a DACA amnesty plan that trades legalizing the nearly 800,000 illegal aliens in exchange for mandatory E-Verify, which bars employers from hiring illegal aliens, ending chain migration, where newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the U.S. with them, ending the Diversity Visa Lottery program, which randomly imports 50,000 foreign nationals a year, and authorizing the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border,” Breitbart reports.

In the memo, Palmieri blames Trump for trying to enforce U.S. law by deporting immigrants who remain in the country illegally, and she is witnessed playing the race card in an attempt to turn the immigration debate into a civil rights issue.

“As with all of the chaos in 2017, Donald Trump created this problem – it was entirely within his power to leave DACA intact,” she asserted. “If a legal challenge to the program had been brought, he could have allowed it to be addressed by the courts. The current crisis could have been averted. Instead, Trump seized an opportunity to play to the racists in his base by proactively and abruptly ending the program.”

The liberal group is urging Democrats to not give up any ground – and not concede to fund Trump’s border wall – and fully push for the continuation of former President Barack Obama’s left-leaning DACA program that is the hallmark of amnesty activists’ political agenda.

“Now, Trump and Republicans are refusing to restore protections for Dreamers – unless Democrats meet a series of absurd demands, including Trump’s infamous and unnecessary border wall and drastically slashing long-standing avenues for illegal immigration,” the memo continues. “Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly cheered the notion of shutting down government if his demands aren’t met, going so far as to promise in August, ‘If we have to close down our government, we’re building that wall.’”

Palmieri then sounded off a battle cry for Democrats to tout in their attempt to remain the champion of those who support illegal immigration into the U.S. that has proven vital to the party’s success in states such as California, Arizona and New York at the ballot box … using the argument that “hundreds of thousands of Dreamers live in perpetual fear” every day because of Republicans – not because they are simply breaking the law.

“This time, Democrats need to stand with Dreamers and do whatever it takes to ensure they remain in this country,” she stressed. “Democrats should refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them.”


The immigration activist then impressed that it is imperative for Democrats to align politically with illegal immigration supporters – if they want to remain in office – by gleaning from racial divisions on the West Coast in the 1990s.

“Voters want to know that politicians and leaders are with them and ultimately one of them,” Palmieri explained. “That is the key lesson to draw from the political realignment that took place in California in the years following the enactment of Proposition 187. Although support for Republicans among California Latinos had been on the rise in the years preceding that ballot initiative, the anger and alienation felt by Latino residents – and by some white Republican voters, as well – led to a rapid seismic shirt in the political landscape of the state.”

It was then stressed that Democrats seize this opportunity to latch onto the sentiments of Mexican American voters who support unbridled Mexican immigration into the U.S. via California’s border with Mexico – noting that the party must continue to polarize itself from Trump and Republicans and play on racial divisions to achieve its political agenda of attaining dominance among Latino voters.

“Despite Donald Trump’s fantastical assertions, Latino support for Republicans will only continue to wane,” Palmieri claimed in the document. “The Republican Party – particularly with Trump as its leader – has been plainspoken about its disdain for immigrants and is more interested in bashing immigrants to cater to its base than it is in acknowledging that immigrants are an important part of America’s social fabric. As a result, Republicans have – in all likelihood – lost the overwhelming majority of Latino voters for at least a generation.”

She then pointed to polling statistics from leftist sources to contend that an “amnesty or bust” attitude is imperative if Democrats wish to pull in every possible Latino vote out there.

“A September poll by Latino Decisions found that 91 percent of Latinos want Congress to pass a Dream Act with a path to earned citizenship,” Palmieri informed. “But public support for Dreamers extends far beyond Latinos. For some context, a fall Washington Post-ABC poll found 86 percent of Americans support protecting Dreamers. Similarly, a Politico/Morning Consult poll found that only 15 percent of Americans believe that Dreamers should be deported – the ultimate result of Trump’s decision and continued congressional inaction.”

Her assertion from these recent polls could hold some truth, as a Pew poll taken during Obama’s last term divulged that only a small trace of Latino illegals – 75 percent of illegal aliens in the U.S. are Latino – identify as Republican.

“In 2012, the Pew Research Center’s National Survey of Latinos found that among Latino immigrants who are not U.S. citizens or legal permanent residents – and therefore likely unauthorized immigrants – some 31 percent identify as Democrats and just 4 percent as Republicans,” Pew divulged in July 2013. “An additional 33 percent say they are political independents, 16 percent mention some other political party and 15 percent say they ‘don’t know’ or refuse to answer the question.”

Palmieri then drew her plea to Democrats to an end by warning them about the consequences of not opposing Trump’s tough-on-immigration policies tooth and nail.

“Dreamers may not be equally represented in every state, but Latinos are a critical part of the progressive coalition and progressive leaders have to step up and fight for them,” Palmieri impressed. “If Democrats can’t even stand up to Trump and Republicans in defense of Dreamers – whose moral case is unassailable – they will leave a lot of progressives wondering who Democrats will fight for. At that point, Latinos may not be the only constituency within the Democratic base that becomes dispirited and disengaged.”

Her closing argument incited Democrats to fully endorse every pro-immigration issue out there – or concede a vital sector of the vote, which she argues would prove disastrous for her party at future elections.

“If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond,” Palmieri concluded her memo to Democratic leaders. “In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects.”


Too bad Lenin and Trotsky lost in Nov 2016, and were not in place to carry their flag across the finish line.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Tue Jan 16 2018 11:57 PM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

DACA Migrants Have One-Quarter College-Graduation Rate of Americans


by Neil Munro, 13 Nov 2017

Only four percent of ‘DACA’ recipients have completed college, far below the roughly 17 percent of similar-aged young Americans who have college degrees, according to data released by the Migration Policy Insitute, which favors immigration.
The data means that average DACA beneficiaries are far less educated and less productive than Americans, and if ever awarded an amnesty, will be far more likely to rely on taxpayers’ aid throughout their lives. According to the MPI report:

While DACA recipients are almost as likely as U.S. adults in the same age group (15-32) to be enrolled in college (18 percent versus 20 percent), they are far less likely to have completed college (4 percent versus 18 percent).

However, the DACA beneficiaries comprise only one-third of the roughly 1.78 million young illegals who are aged 15 or older in September 2017, according to the MPI data. If the roughly 30,000 DACA beneficiaries with four-year college degrees are compared to this larger group of 1.78 million, then only 1.7 percent of young ‘dreamer’ illegals aged 15 to 32 hold four-year college degrees.

That ‘dreamer’ graduation rate is just one-tenth of the 17 percent of similar-aged Americans who hold four-year college degrees.

The new data contradicts media-magnified claims by Democrats and business groups that the 690,000 young DACA illegals and the at least 2 million ‘Dreamers’ can rejuvenate the U.S. economy and culture in ways that mere Americans cannot accomplish. For example, FWD.us, a lobbying group created by Silicon Valley investors, declared in September 2017 that:

Dreamers are vital to the future of our companies and our economy. With them, we grow and create jobs. They are part of why we will continue to have a global competitive advantage.

The FWD.us group was formed to increase the supply of foreign white-collar workers, and it is using the DACA controversy to attack political support for President Donald Trump’s popular pro-American immigration reform principles.

Similarly, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, insisted in September the DACA amnesty is “the biggest issue of our time,” that Americans are inhuman for not supporting a no-strings amnesty, that DACA illegals are better Americans than Americans, and each illegal is as useful to the economy as billionaire Mike Bloomberg:

This is the biggest issue of our time because this goes to the values of being American. This is ‘Are we human’? ‘Are we acting in a track of morality?’ right? These people … At Apple we have many … they love America deeply. When you talk to them, I wish everyone in America loved American this much. They have jobs, they pay taxes, they are pillars of their community, They’re incredible people, and so, to me, it would be like someone coming to Mike [Bloomberg] and saying ‘Mike, I just found out you aren’t really a citizen here, you need to leave.’ This is unacceptable. This is not who we are as a country, and so I am personally shocked that there is even a discussion of this.

Democrats want to provide a ‘Dream Act’ amnesty to at least 3 million of the younger illegals, which would also allow them to bring in roughly 10 million chain-migration relatives from Mexico and other countries. In September 2017, the two top Democratic leaders in the House and Senate — Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Chuck Schumer — declared:

In our home communities, there are Dreamers like Jessica and Javier. Jessica was brought to the United States at the age of 2 and did not know she was undocumented until middle school. In 2011, she secured a full-merit scholarship to the Macaulay Honors College at CUNY and started on her journey to becoming a doctor.

Javier studied economics and biotechnology at California State University in Northridge. He worked as a software engineer in Silicon Valley and is now a young entrepreneur. What kind of country would we be if we closed the door on Dreamers? What kind of country would we be, if we say that Jessica, Javier, and 800,000 hard-working young people just like them, are not welcome here?

We have both met Dreamers and heard their stories. We know that these young people represent what’s great about our country and they should be allowed to stay. They are an integral part of our communities, and their stories, their tenacity and fearlessness make them as American as apple pie.

The MPI data shows a much more modest contribution by the 382,000 illegals who hold jobs because of their DACA work-permits.

The occupations most commonly employing DACA holders are food preparation and servicing (16 percent, or 60,000 workers), dales (14 percent, or 54,000 workers) and office and administrative support (2 percent, or 47,000 workers) … About 5,000 work as health-care practitioners…. Almost 3,000 each work in business operations and in computer or mathematical operations.

The MPI’s data shows that only 6,000 — or 1.6 percent — of the 382,000 DACA job-holders work in white-collar technology-related occupations. That number is 0.9 percent of DACA holders, and 0.34 percent of the ‘dreamer’ population aged 15 to 32. Another 9,000 DACA-holders work as teachers or teachers’ aides, says the MPI estimate.

Also, a website run by the education-sector trade group reports that only 5 to 10 percent of the young illegals even enroll in college, even though the illegals face few restrictions in most states. The percentage estimate means that only 6,000 young illegals sign up for college each year, according to the American Council on Education.

The low academic performance of the DACA recipients likely has many causes, including their parents’ inability to pay the financial costs of U.S. college, the low quality of schools in the migrants’ home countries, and the limited ambitions and abilities of their parents, many of whom were peasants or uneducated urban workers who were admirably determined to build a better lives for themselves and their children.

Other studies show that most migrants perform very poorly in Americans schools. For example, a study released November 1 by the Anne E. Casey Foundation showed incredibly poor reading and math proficiency of fourth grade and eight-grade immigrants. According to a report in Breitbart News:

“On most of the measures we track in Race for Results, children in immigrant families fare worse than those in U.S.-born families,” the study authors purport. “Especially troubling are the large gaps in many of the education measures of both children and their parents.”

For children in the 4th grade living in immigrant families, only eight percent scored at or above the proficiency level in reading. In math, the proficiency rate is even worse, with only five percent of 8th graders in immigrant households scoring at or above the proficiency level.

Compare these statistics to that of children who are born in the U.S. to non-foreign families, where 38 percent of 4th graders scored at or above the reading proficiency level and 34 percent of 8th graders scored at or above the math proficiency.

Poor education levels translate into slower productivity growth, ensuring that Americans and their children remain poorer than otherwise and that American’s economy remains smaller that is possible with higher productivity growth.

Federal data shows that the low educational level of migrants also ensures lifetime dependence on taxpayers’ aid and welfare, including Obamacare. For example, a 2015 report by the Center for Immigration Studies showed:

In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households. Welfare in this study includes Medicaid and cash, food, and housing programs …

Welfare use varies among immigrant groups. Households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico (73 percent), the Caribbean (51 percent), and Africa (48 percent) have the highest overall welfare use. Those from East Asia (32 percent), Europe (26 percent), and South Asia (17 percent) have the lowest …

The large share of immigrants with low levels of education and resulting low incomes partly explains their high use rates. In 2012, 76 percent of households headed by an immigrant who had not graduated high school used one or more welfare programs, as did 63 percent of households headed by an immigrant with only a high school education …

The high rates of immigrant welfare use are not entirely explained by their lower education levels. Households headed by college-educated immigrants have significantly higher welfare use than households headed by college-educated natives — 26 percent vs. 13 percent.

The MPI study differs sharply from prior estimates issued by advocacy groups, such as the Center for American Progress.

Four million Americans turn 18 each year and begin looking for good jobs in the free market.

But the federal government inflates the supply of new labor by annually accepting 1 million new legal immigrants, by providing almost 2 million work-permits to foreigners, by providing work-visas to roughly 500,000 temporary workers and doing little to block the employment of roughly 8 million illegal immigrants.

The Washington-imposed economic policy of mass-immigration floods the market with foreign labor, spikes profits and Wall Street values by cutting salaries for manual and skilled labor offered by blue-collar and white-collar employees. It also drives up real estate prices, widens wealth-gaps, reduces high-tech investment, increases state and local tax burdens, hurts kids’ schools and college education, pushes Americans away from high-tech careers, and sidelines at least 5 million marginalized Americans and their families, including many who are now struggling with opioid addictions.

The cheap-labor policy has also reduced investment and job creation in many interior states because the coastal cities have a surplus of imported labor. For example, almost 27 percent of zip codes in Missouri had fewer jobs or businesses in 2015 than in 2000, according to a new report by the Economic Innovation Group. In Kansas, almost 29 percent of zip codes had fewer jobs and businesses in 2015 compared to 2000, which was a two-decade period of massive cheap-labor immigration.

Because of the successful cheap-labor strategy, wages for men have remained flat since 1973, and a growing percentage of the nation’s annual income is shifting to investors and away from employees

Definitely statistics you won't see on CNN, MSNBC or MediaMatters.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Wed Jan 17 2018 12:31 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Man, a great report on potential DACA recipients, and their greater proclivity for crime and gang membership, roughly twice the national rate:

Tucker Carlson, Jan 16, 2018, Tuesday

Starting at 11:20 into the video.
Followed by a discussion on the subject with attorney general Jeff Sessions.

Wonder Boy
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Fri Jan 19 2018 12:20 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Tucker Carlson's Jan 17th program again blasts the elitist mentality of admitting or giving amnesty to illegals. Then he mops the floor with a lawyer advocate of "shithole countries" immigration.

Giving great examples from the poverty and destruction to California from unrestrained immigration.

Wonder Boy
(15000+ posts)
Fri Jan 19 2018 01:20 AM
Re: Democrats and Republican Legislators Slam Trump For Harsh Language Describe Immigrant Countries

Hannity, Jan 16, 2018

At 10:10, and again at 11:00 :

"I... am a proud shitholer!"