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#1226255 - Mon Jul 09 2018 08:11 PM Re: Steve Ditko dies [Re: Pariah]
Wonder Boy
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I wonder if Ditko ever met or had a personal relationship with Ayn Rand.


I know Ditko left DC abruptly because he was really ticked off about the way Dennis O'Neil, Steve Skeates and editor Dick Giordano on both books re-interpreted his intended vision for HAWK AND THE DOVE and THE CREEPER, to the point he left both series very suddenly, and Jack Sparling was brought in (uncredited) to finish pencils on the last half of CREEPER issue 6, the last issue of the series. And Gil Kane finished issues 3-6 of HAWK AND THE DOVE.


I can't imagine Ditko was overly pleased with Dennis O'Neil being selected in 1987 to revive THE QUESTION, another Ditko character. A run I actually enjoyed quite a bit. But definitely more "Zen" than Ayn Rand.

Ditko wasn't the most visible creator, but he quietly created a lot of characters over the last 50-plus years, that have continued or been revived by other hands after he moved on.



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#1226256 - Mon Jul 09 2018 08:44 PM Re: Steve Ditko dies [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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What a cool Ditko tribute!
A cover that's an amalgam of most of his characters, using a modified version of the DETECTIVE COMICS logo.












And the first page of SHOWCASE 73, presenting the Creeper's origin in 1968. That I first saw reprinted in DETECTIVE COMICS 443 in 1974. Making BEWARE THE CREEPER 1-6 (1968-1969) among the most sought after back issues for me for the roughly 10 years it took me to complete my run.





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#1226277 - Wed Jul 11 2018 07:04 PM Re: Steve Ditko dies [Re: Wonder Boy]
Lothar of The Hill People
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Good
Glad he's dead.
Always hated that guy.

Don't make old people mad.We don't like being old in the first place so it doesn't take much to piss us off!

“I'm about to do something very clever and a tiny bit against the rules of the universe. It's important that
I'm properly dressed.” Doctor Who

If you’re Gonna fight, fight like you're the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark… and brother, it's startin' to rain.”
― Christopher Woods,

I can tell by the position of the sun in the sky, that is time for us to go. Until next time, I am Lothar of the Hill People!

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#1226314 - Thu Jul 12 2018 08:18 PM Re: Steve Ditko dies [Re: Lothar of The Hill People]
the G-man
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 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
Good
Glad he's dead.
Always hated that guy.


Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Stan Lee.

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#1226315 - Thu Jul 12 2018 10:31 PM Re: Steve Ditko dies [Re: the G-man]
Wonder Boy
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\:lol\:

In the cases of both Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby, Stan Lee took credit for writing, ideas, characters and storytelling that was actually done by the artists. Reading ORIGINS OF MARVEL COMICS or SON OF ORIGINS or BRING ON THE BAD GUYS, Lee was the brilliant fountain of ideas who conceptualized everything, and handed down like manna from Heaven stories fully formed for Kirby and Ditko to draw.

I don't think it's so much hatred, as that Stan Lee didn't want Ditko vocally exposing the truth. And I think Lee was pretty safe on that ground, as Ditko was uniquely reclusive and unlikely to do interviews. I think it was only through friends in the comics field that Ditko talked to about it that we, the fans and the fan press, even know what happened that Ditko left Marvel in 1966. I get the impression it was much easier for Lee to make peace with Ditko, and that he never was able to make peace with Jack Kirby.

And I wonder how many other artists Lee stole the credit from. Don Hec on Iron Man? Gene Colan on DAREDEVIL? Bill Everett? John Buscema on SILVER SURFER or THOR? Lee pretty much stopped writing in 1972, and became more of a figurehead at Marvel, before finally becoming Marvel's Hollywood/licensing guy. But I've only ever heard of him screwing over Kirby and Ditko.


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