Why we are not carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside is beyond me.

It seems to me that if Obama used the election year rhetoric coming from the presidential hopefuls, he would be making things far more dangerous for our troops over there.

It seems to me that if Obama used the election year rhetoric coming from the presidential hopefuls, he would be making things far more dangerous for our troops over there.

Burning the Koran will make Muslims vote Republican!

Why we are not carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside is beyond me.

I'M SUPPORT OUR GAWDFEARIN'MERICAN TROOPS UNLESS THEY PARTICIPATE IN THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PROTEST. THEN I DON'T CARE IF THEY GET SHOT IN THE FACE WITH A TEAR-GAS CANISTER THAT PUTS THEM INTO A COMA! HOW DARE THEY STAND OUTSIDE AND PROTEST CORRUPT POLITICS AND CORPORATE INFLUENCE ON AMERICAN POLICIES!! THEY SHOULD BE KILLING MORE MORE MORE NON-WHITES!!! SOCIALIST MARXIST TRAITORS! SOOOOOORROOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Yep. Just think how much safer our troops would have been in WWII if Truman had apologized to Hirohito.

You're trying too hard to troll today. If you want it to work, it should come across more naturally.

One of your "gee, I was only asking a question" troll jobs would have worked better, instead of the over-the-top racial slur that you used.

The sad part is this is the same JLA who was pro-invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan because he was just as concerned about Americans being murdered by fanatical terrorists as other pro-war people here.

But I suppose his union takes a higher priority over the safety of our soldiers/citizens at this point.

Because this is the 21st century, might does not make right, and you're an ignorant, violent ape just like all of your Rightwing Crazies.

Attack the ones responsible? Yes.

Carpet-bomb innocent civilians because they're brown and don't worship your 'Gawd'? No.

"Ungrateful". Yeah, how DARE those 'savages' don't appreciate the US invading and conquering their country to set up a puppet regime for more oil. How fucking old are you, man? Give me a break.

Talk about over-reacting. Why do all Rightwing Extremists want to kill everyone? Why is that? I guess that's why Bush attacked Iraq, even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Just an excuse to kill more brown people...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.....did I just read that right? Did G-Shill just compare extremist nutcases shooting American soldiers to....Pearl fucking Harbor?!?!?

W-O-W. I mean.......wow.

Yep. Just think how much safer our troops would have been in WWII if Truman had apologized to Hirohito.

It's more like when W apologized for Korans being flushed down the toilet. That wasn't really different other than he wasn't a democrat.

Now however it is and the rhetoric from the presidential hopefuls is just so over the top it's sad. Our troops are the ones who have to deal with those mobs. Do you want those mobs bigger and angrier?

That crap didn't work before Obama had Osama toasted so why would you think it will work if you try reheating it?

Do you....Honestly believe that Bush would have apologized for flushed Korans after soldiers were executed over it?

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Do you....Honestly believe that Bush would have apologized for flushed Korans after soldiers were executed over it?



PEOPLE WERE MURDERED OVER THE BURNING OF A BOOK YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!

Why we are not carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside is beyond me.

I'M SUPPORT OUR GAWDFEARIN'MERICAN TROOPS UNLESS THEY PARTICIPATE IN THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PROTEST. THEN I DON'T CARE IF THEY GET SHOT IN THE FACE WITH A TEAR-GAS CANISTER THAT PUTS THEM INTO A COMA! HOW DARE THEY STAND OUTSIDE AND PROTEST CORRUPT POLITICS AND CORPORATE INFLUENCE ON AMERICAN POLICIES!! THEY SHOULD BE KILLING MORE MORE MORE NON-WHITES!!! SOCIALIST MARXIST TRAITORS! SOOOOOORROOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

Yep. Just think how much safer our troops would have been in WWII if Truman had apologized to Hirohito.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.....did I just read that right? Did G-Shill just compare extremist nutcases shooting American soldiers to....Pearl fucking Harbor?!?!?

W-O-W. I mean.......wow.

Because this is the 21st century, might does not make right, and you're an ignorant, violent ape just like all of your Rightwing Crazies.

Attack the ones responsible? Yes.

Carpet-bomb innocent civilians because they're brown and don't worship your 'Gawd'? No.

"Ungrateful". Yeah, how DARE those 'savages' don't appreciate the US invading and conquering their country to set up a puppet regime for more oil. How fucking old are you, man? Give me a break.

Talk about over-reacting. Why do all Rightwing Extremists want to kill everyone? Why is that? I guess that's why Bush attacked Iraq, even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Just an excuse to kill more brown people...

Actually the apology was made before those soldiers were shot so yeah it's the same deal minus the republican presidential hopefuls campaign rhetoric.

PEOPLE WERE MURDERED OVER THE BURNING OF A BOOK YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!

Unless of course you really believe all mobs should be apologized for just for the sake of your boy in office. In which case, you go ahead and keep thinking that.

Because this is the 21st century, might does not make right, and you're an ignorant, violent ape just like all of your Rightwing Crazies.

Attack the ones responsible? Yes.

Carpet-bomb innocent civilians because they're brown and don't worship your 'Gawd'? No.

"Ungrateful". Yeah, how DARE those 'savages' don't appreciate the US invading and conquering their country to set up a puppet regime for more oil. How fucking old are you, man? Give me a break.

Talk about over-reacting. Why do all Rightwing Extremists want to kill everyone? Why is that? I guess that's why Bush attacked Iraq, even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Just an excuse to kill more brown people...

I'm still ignoring JLA. See? I don't even write about him anymore.

Uh, hey look over there... Obama is a Muslim invader according to Ann Coulter! I wonder if it's true? Just asking.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.....did I just read that right? Did G-Shill just compare extremist nutcases shooting American soldiers to....Pearl fucking Harbor?!?!?

W-O-W. I mean.......wow.

I don't give a flying fuck that American soldiers are being murdered. My pro-union crusade against the resident conservatives on the RKMBs takes precedent, and so I will continue to passively support all of Obama's apologies--unless he decides to take a more violent course action. In which case I will cheer him on.

I'll save you G-man! I have the same irrational hatred for all Muslims based on what the extreme nutcases do. It's kind of like the pedophiles in the Catholic Church...whoops, gotta go!

I will bring up whatever alternative subject matter I can to distract from the fact that I passively support apologizing for the murderous crimes of religious zealots that happen to be Muslim. Whether the subject involve accusations of insecurity, gaming consoles, the Catholic Church, or whatever else I can think of off hand, I will try to make it the issue because I will sink to any level to avoid owning up to the fact that I'm excusing the murder of American soldiers in favor of focusing on a grudge on a messageboard.

All Catholics are bad since the Catholic Church has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on cases involving their child-raping priests.

And, yet again, Prometheus conveniently forgets that I'm crazy as a hammer in a bag full of balls. No denying it, really. I just fucking hate anyone who isn't white. That's why I became a "soldier". So I could kill non-whites and unMericans and paint it as "patriotic". That's why I support G-Shill's suggestion we should murder civilians. And when I say civilians, I mean the non-white kind and any so-called "citizen" of GAWDBLESSMerica that dares question my Rightwing masters.

Anything for my lord and savior Corporate Amerika, whom I publicly deny but will still continue to support out of sheer bitterness towards a group of posters who don't take me seriously on the internet.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.....did I just read that right? Did G-Shill just compare extremist nutcases shooting American soldiers to....Pearl fucking Harbor?!?!?

W-O-W. I mean.......wow.

Because this is the 21st century, might does not make right, and you're an ignorant, violent ape just like all of your Rightwing Crazies.

Attack the ones responsible? Yes.

Carpet-bomb innocent civilians because they're brown and don't worship your 'Gawd'? No.

"Ungrateful". Yeah, how DARE those 'savages' don't appreciate the US invading and conquering their country to set up a puppet regime for more oil. How fucking old are you, man? Give me a break.

Talk about over-reacting. Why do all Rightwing Extremists want to kill everyone? Why is that? I guess that's why Bush attacked Iraq, even though they had nothing to do with 9/11. Just an excuse to kill more brown people...

MisterJLA: Stomping me again. Please make it stop!

US President George W Bush has made a personal apology over the shooting of a Koran by an American soldier, the White House has confirmed.

Mr Bush made the apology during one of his regular video conferences with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki.

The soldier was sent home by the US military after the Muslim holy book was found riddled with bullet holes at a shooting range by Iraqi police.

The US military said last week that the soldier would be disciplined.
He was unnamed, but was said to be a staff sergeant in a sniper section.

'People's anger'

Mr Maliki's office said in a statement: "The American president apologised on behalf of the United States... promising to present the soldier to the courts."

Mr Maliki had expressed the anger felt by the Iraqi people, his office said.

A US military spokesman last week described the shooting as "both serious and deeply troubling", but stressed it was an "isolated incident and a result of one soldier's actions".

US military authorities have already apologised to community leaders in the area, west of Baghdad.

The military presented the elders with a new copy of the Koran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7410367.stm

Bush apology for Koran shooting



Bush did it first, but this doesn't count.

The G-PariahMan

And, yet again, Prometheus conveniently forgets that this situation was sparked by a cultural mentality that inhabits the majority of a continent--as opposed to the mind of a lone gunman.

Anything for his lord and savior Obama, whom he publicly denies but will still continue to support out of sheer bitterness towards a group of his own countrymen.

I'm "ignoring" Pro by posting and thinking about him. Same deal with JLA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7410367.stm

Bush apology for Koran shooting



Bush did it first, but this doesn't count.

The G-PariahMan

Do you....Honestly believe that Bush would have apologized for flushed Korans after soldiers were executed over it?

Terrified, huh?

Either way, it makes you an absolute scumbag.

All you're doing is running scared from it.

"Roger".

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! SO!!!! ALONE!!!!! I HATE THE WORLD!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7410367.stm

Bush apology for Koran shooting



Bush did it first, but this doesn't count.

The G-PariahMan

Roger.

Yep. Just think how much safer our troops would have been in WWII if Truman had apologized to Hirohito.

Why we are not carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside is beyond me.

Poor Pariah.

I suspect Obama is a bit to the right for Promod at this point. Obama's only a closet socialist, after all.

Suddenly something is important TO ME so I demand everyone take it seriously!! I don't care about your needs, wants, or expectations on discourse! None of YOUR threads or subjects should be taken seriously! BUT THIS IS MINE AND YOU SHOULD!!!

Soldiers die. That's why they exist.

Poor Pariah. Dressing his hate up as some kind of "moral dedication" to the US military.

Soldiers die. That's why they exist. Your government doesn't sign their paychecks so they can stand for photos. The military is trained to expect death. Thus, no, I'm not going to go apeshit apoplectic about them being killed. I didn't hear you or anyone else crying and wailing when BushCheney sent them to die ten years ago. I didn't hear your protests when they were sent to Afghanistan, because you're afraid they would be killed. I didn't see you offended that the Wall Street Police Force shot an Iraq vet in the face and put him into a coma for NO REASON other than he was standing outside. So, please, spare us your moral obtuse soapbox and join the rest of the world.

Attack and kill the extremist terrorist fuckers that did this. Otherwise, just accept you want to kill children and families all in the name of some hateful, empty, patriotic vengeance. Neither you, nor G-Shill, nor the Wonder Traitor (who has already proven he has no allegiance to anything save what Corporate Amerika tells him to believe) can be taken seriously in this context. Your fake bleeding hearts are offensive to every man and woman who is actually out there fighting true evil for our country....not foaming at the mouth to kill innocents on some righteous crusade from behind his desk...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.....did I just read that right? Did G-Shill just compare extremist nutcases shooting American soldiers to....Pearl fucking Harbor?!?!?

W-O-W. I mean.......wow.

Your government doesn't sign their paychecks so they can stand for photos. The military is trained to expect death. Thus, no, I'm not going to go apeshit apoplectic about them being killed. I didn't hear you or anyone else crying and wailing when BushCheney sent them to die ten years ago. I didn't hear your protests when they were sent to Afghanistan, because you're afraid they would be killed. I didn't see you offended that the Wall Street Police Force shot an Iraq vet in the face and put him into a coma for NO REASON other than he was standing outside. So, please, spare us your moral obtuse soapbox and join the rest of the world.

Attack and kill the extremist terrorist fuckers that did this. Otherwise, just accept you want to kill children and families all in the name of some hateful, empty, patriotic vengeance. Neither you, nor G-Shill, nor the Wonder Traitor (who has already proven he has no allegiance to anything save what Corporate Amerika tells him to believe) can be taken seriously in this context. Your fake bleeding hearts are offensive to every man and woman who is actually out there fighting true evil for our country....not foaming at the mouth to kill innocents on some righteous crusade from behind his desk...

Soldiers die. That's why they exist.

You really think this....



....rationalizes this?

Your delusion--and bewildering contempt for the military--knows no boundaries.

I didn't hear you or anyone else crying and wailing when BushCheney sent them to die ten years ago. I didn't hear your protests when they were sent to Afghanistan, because you're afraid they would be killed. I didn't see you offended that the Wall Street Police Force shot an Iraq vet in the face and put him into a coma for NO REASON other than he was standing outside.

Soldiers are shot and killed by alleged allies--over the disposal of a book--and you don't see warrant for anger.

The reason there's so much structure and regulation applied to military procedure is that the organization is so concerned with making sure soldiers don't die. Putting soldiers in harm's way is not done for the purpose of letting them die.

What's especially outrageous about your moronic comment is that it applies a context of battle to this particular situation. I will reiterate: THERE WAS NO OPEN CONFLICT WHEN THESE PEOPLE WERE SHOT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MAKES IT MURDER.

...carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside..

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have said it. Next question?

Your delusion--and bewildering contempt for the military--knows no boundaries.

I have no contempt. I'm just not under any disillusion as to the role of the US soldier in the real world. Not the pro-American-good idea the Pentagon wants you to have. I mean, the reality. Seen the footage of the soldiers mowing down two unarmed men, via helicopter? Yeah, they were talking on their phones to their family. The audio is clear that the soldiers aren't sure if that's their target or not, but are told to take the shot anyway. So, two more civilians die. But, that gets buried. I had to see the footage on the BBC documentary concerning the material Wikileaks had obtained through Bradley Manning (one of the most honest, and bravest soldiers this country has ever produced, btw). And it doesn't stop there. There's hundreds of reports, loud and quiet, about the atrocities our military inflicts upon civilian middle eastern cultures, all in the name "Merica" and "acceptable collateral damage".

I didn't hear you or anyone else crying and wailing when BushCheney sent them to die ten years ago. I didn't hear your protests when they were sent to Afghanistan, because you're afraid they would be killed. I didn't see you offended that the Wall Street Police Force shot an Iraq vet in the face and put him into a coma for NO REASON other than he was standing outside.

Once again, where is your outrage? Why now, but not when American soldiers are at fault for murder?

Anger? Yes. Directed at the ones responsible, not innocents.

Indignant outrage that a soldier in a conquered warzone dies by an extremists hand? Anger, maybe, but not surprise. Not this "OH MY GOD IT'S THE WORST ATTACK SINCE PEARL HARBOR 9/11 IRAN KILL'EM ALL!!!1!!!" infantile bloodlust you and G-Shill are going on about.

If a soldier wasn't there to fight to the death for his country, then they wouldn't have put him there.

Soldiers exist to defend the continental United States of America from invasion and to fight and kill other humans. Simple as that. They serve no other purpose to their existence.

Yep. Just like when American forces kill civilians. It is murder. That's why you punish those responsible, not target their entire culture. THAT is common sense, man.

I know some here think that bombing them into the stone age will "teach them a lesson in respect" or whatever.

The reading is generally similar regardless of which word is used.

...I'm pretty sure God would agree with me on that one even if it was the Bible...

If no one here actually said that, why did you use quotations? It's rather misleading.

these ungrateful subhumans

1. U.S. soldiers burn copies of the Koran, in a way they thought would be a socially sensitive and appropriate way to destroy said Korans...

Right. G-man "only" called for genocide as a means of retribution, he's not trying to reform Muslims all over the world.

I know the conscience of the RKMBS will chastise him soon.

...or for the moral authority and generosity of our government.

1. U.S. troops burned a Koran, in an unwitting attempt to dispose of it respectfully (isn't that the respectful way you're supposed to dispose of a torn or old U.S. flag). Koran copies that were defaced by writing of Taliban prisoners. For which our military officers, generals, and President have apologized profusely for, and assured it will not happen again.

2. U.S. soldiers have been murdered in complete disproportion to that accidental burning. With an ongoing jihadist contract on every U.S./NATO soldier and civilian. No apology, no call for moderation, from Afghan government officials, military, or civilian clergy or leadership.

We have nothing to apologize for, and have every right to declare war on people who pose as our friends, and then shoot our soldiers in the back, by backstabbers WE TRAINED, in our costly and generous effort to build their nation.

Because all the Muslim protesters were chucking grenades and shooting people in the back of the head, right? Sure, I'm glad Pariah won't necessarily be the one to hunt me down for burning a bible. That doesn't mean, however, that everyone else in the Christian community would be so tolerant. ...

Why we are not carpet bombing these ungrateful subhumans back to the stone age in which they obviously want to reside is beyond me.

Love the underlined point that your holy book is more important than their holy book in your attempt to exonerate us of any culpability in this tragedy.

I'm sure this is a favorite at the G-Household. Especially, when he can pretend they're wearing turbans.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6229070629122885245

Beg your pardon? Where did I make the distinction of one book being more important than another?

Or is this just another half-assed redirect?

Please cite the last time any Christian in the US shot anyone or chucked a grenade at them for improperly disposing of a bible.

You're right. We just have a history of killing others because they weren't the right kind of Christian. Totally different and completely justifiable. My bad.

Or, you know, we just threaten them with death because they don't believe in the God of Christian America. Once again, totally different and completely justifiable.

Sure you don't have a secret fetish for eating flesh and drinking blood, G?

Because all the Muslim protesters were chucking grenades and shooting people in the back of the head, right?

Sure, I'm glad Pariah won't necessarily be the one to hunt me down for burning a bible. That doesn't mean, however, that everyone else in the Christian community would be so tolerant.

Trust me. Anyone who reads your hate-mongering gets the underlining meaning of "even if it was the Bible."

You can't accuse two groups of moral equivalence if you can't show both groups engage in the same behavior.

You've made some broad conclusory allegations which appear (the sarcasm and hyperbole make it hard to be sure) to be directed at military actions.

If so, is it your position that a military action is exactly the same thing as what happened here?

We threw those copies of the Quran on the fucking trash heap despite protests from ASFers in the vicinity. And, we've been warned for years that we were training people not down with the master plan. This should come as no surprise.

Just to be clear: you would expect Christians to execute people over the burning of a Bible, and that's why you don't see anything outrageous about this scenario?

In all fairness, his wife is an accepting liberal and wears the pants in the family, so I can't imagine a video like that being shown under her watch.

If many Christians had their way, yes. Unequivocally, yes.

This isn't a what if question as to whether or not it would happen if society allowed it, but rather if you honestly believe your average Christian had the capacity to do it.

You gotta wonder if Iggy knopws that Muslim honor-killings are carried out in Western culture as well as the Middle East. It seems he's not actually aware of this.

Unequivocally, yes.

You have a secular century scared shitless at the previous centuries of religious warfare to thank for establishing a Western World that isn't conducive to such barbaric Christian behavior. You are welcome.

Only The Shadow Knopws!

I think you mean "barbaric Muslim behavior" as it was their continuous expansion up the continent towards Europe that sparked the Crusades.

So the French Revolution--a secularly motivated movement--was a civilized alternative to all of the incidents of violence that occurred...you know, even though it caused more death and suffering than all incidents of Inquisition violence combined.

As such, your claim that a Christian would have been just as likely to commit this crime is rather unfounded--especially since whatever past acts of violence you can come up with regards to Christians were ordered by edicts of authority figures in the Catholic Church or the Protestant movements. This is opposed to individual Christians taking the decision to execute others into their own hands according to a mentality you think they have in common with Muslims.

All religions and cultures are the same!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Sincerely,
IggyJLA

Yes, I'm sure it takes a lot of courage to mock someone as opposed to, you know, address the issue.

All you're doing is running scared from it.

LMAO!!!!

Wow. You've been reading a lot of revisionist literature. Arab expansion, at worst, falls into the same category as the expansion of groups (even Christian barbarians) like the Franks. You are cherry picking Arab expansion to fit your worldview. Sorry, Christians were busy killing themselves and the Sassanids at the same time. And, because of that, opened the way for Arab encroachment into Europe. Please spare me your us versus them bullshit reading of history.

So all of this to grudgingly admit that the Seljuk Turks provoked the war in a "gotcha" manner that allows you to flex you amateur wiki-historian muscle.

"I know history PA-RAI-AH!! *smile*"

Not quite.

Aside from your admission that Armenia and Anatolia was annexed without provocation from the Byzantine Empire (prior to your "yeah, but...Alps' peace treaty!"), Islamic culture had been expanding north since 636 AD. You really think it was going to stop on account of a peace treaty in the midst of a weakening empire? With time, it would just keep going.

Would like to see your stats for that.

That said, the French Revolution was rationalism taken to a religious level. Bad things happen whenever things are taken religiously. Thanks for re-affirming my point.

Oh, wait, I thought we established at Nuremberg that "only following orders" wasn't an excuse. Yet, now, here you are trying to weasel out of every individual Christian's picking up a sword and killing Jews, Muslims, Gypsies, or each other by claiming they were only following orders. Try again or admit you would've acquitted Goering.

TAAAAKE MEEEEE SERIOUSSSSLLLLYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

We're talking mob violence here. Yes, we have a history of Christian mobs killing others because they weren't the "right" type of Christian or because they weren't Christian. Religious violence is religious violence. Period.

STOP IT!! STOP IT!! STOP IT!! JUST GO AWAY!!!! AARRRRRGH!!!

TAAAAKE MEEEEE SERIOUSSSSLLLLYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

The crusades started as a product of territorial disputes that were ignited by a violently expanding Muslim Empire. You tried your damnedest to avoid mentioning the fact that it was the Muslims that began to breach European boundaries by bringing up Ramanos' refusal to adhere to a coerced peace treaty, but conveniently leave out that it was only after Arslan took Anatolia and Armenia.

Who cherry picks again?

The official death toll for the French Revolution is over 600,000--which I don't believe takes into account for the Napoleonic Wars. A couple other books I've read put it closer to one million.

Both Catholic and Protestant inquisitions combined are responsible for a fraction of that many deaths.

Yeaaaaaaah--Nice try, but no dice.

Religion is not self-evidently equated to violence. That's your argument. Not your itinerary.

Your tune has been, 'It's religious, and therefore it's violent.' Not, 'It's violent and therefore it's religious.'

The simplest explanation is often the most correct: cultural mentalities are relative according to the differing philosophies that are being endorsed by said mentalities--whether the given philosophy keeps religious connotations or not.

I'm not excusing anyone for anything (I can easily admit that the influence of the Vatican has been misused in the past). I'm saying that killing people is not, and never has been, the product of a general mentality cultured by Christianity as an applied philosophy--which is why it's silly to assume that a Christian would have been just as likely to kill those soldiers as a Muslim.

You want to give some specific examples? And then show us where as seems to be the case Afghanistan, they were govt or church sanctioned?

The day forever fortunate has arrived, which the French people have consecrated to the Supreme Being. Never has the world which He created offered to Him a spectacle so worthy of His notice. He has seen reigning on the earth tyranny, crime, and imposture. He sees at this moment a whole nation, grappling with all the oppressions of the human race, suspend the course of its heroic labors to elevate its thoughts and vows toward the great Being who has given it the mission it has undertaken and the strength to accomplish it.

Is it not He whose immortal hand, engraving on the heart of man the code of justice and equality, has written there the death sentence of tyrants? Is it not He who, from the beginning of time, decreed for all the ages and for all peoples liberty, good faith, and justice?


He did not create kings to devour the human race. He did not create priests to harness us, like vile animals, to the chariots of kings and to give to the world examples of baseness, pride, perfidy, avarice, debauchery, and falsehood. He created the universe to proclaim His power. He created men to help each other, to love each other mutually, and to attain to happiness by the way of virtue.


It is He who implanted in the breast of the triumphant oppressor remorse and terror, and in the heart of the oppressed and innocent calmness and fortitude. It is He who impels the just man to hate the evil one, and the evil man to respect the just one. It is He who adorns with modesty the brow of beauty, to make it yet more beautiful. It is He who makes the mother's heart beat with tenderness and joy. It is He who bathes with delicious tears the eyes of the son pressed to the bosom of his mother. It is He who silences the most imperious and tender passions before the sublime love of the fatherland. It is He who has covered nature with charms, riches, and majesty. All that is good is His work, or is Himself. Evil belongs to the depraved man who oppresses his fellow man or suffers him to be oppressed.


The Author of Nature has bound all mortals by a boundless chain of love and happiness. Perish the tyrants who have dared to break it!


Republican Frenchmen, it is yours to purify the earth which they have soiled, and to recall to it the justice that they have banished! Liberty and virtue together came from the breast of Divinity. Neither can abide with mankind without the other.


O generous People, would you triumph over all your enemies? Practice justice, and render the Divinity the only worship worthy of Him. O People, let us deliver ourselves today, under His auspices, to the just transports of a pure festivity. Tomorrow we shall return to the combat with vice and tyrants. We shall give to the world the example of republican virtues. And that will be to honor Him still.


The monster which the genius of kings had vomited over France has gone back into nothingness. May all the crimes and all the misfortunes of the world disappear with it! Armed in turn with the daggers of fanaticism and the poisons of atheism, kings have always conspired to assassinate humanity. If they are able no longer to disfigure Divinity by superstition, to associate it with their crimes, they try to banish it from the earth, so that they may reign there alone with crime.


O People, fear no more their sacrilegious plots! They can no more snatch the world from the breast of its Author than remorse from their own hearts. Unfortunate ones, uplift your eyes toward heaven! Heroes of the fatherland, your generous devotion is not a brilliant madness. If the satellites of tyranny can assassinate you, it is not in their power entirely to destroy you. Man, whoever thou mayest be, thou canst still conceive high thoughts for thyself. Thou canst bind thy fleeting life to God, and to immortality. Let nature seize again all her splendor, and wisdom all her empire! The Supreme Being has not been annihilated.


It is wisdom above all that our guilty enemies would drive from the republic. To wisdom alone it is given to strengthen the prosperity of empires. It is for her to guarantee to us the rewards of our courage. Let us associate wisdom, then, with all our enterprises. Let us be grave and discreet in all our deliberations, as men who are providing for the interests of the world. Let us be ardent and obstinate in our anger against conspiring tyrants, imperturbable in dangers, patient in labors, terrible in striking back, modest and vigilant in successes. Let us be generous toward the good, compassionate with the unfortunate, inexorable with the evil, just toward every one. Let us not count on an unmixed prosperity, and on triumphs without attacks, nor on all that depends on fortune or the perversity of others. Sole, but infallible guarantors of our independence, let us crush the impious league of kings by the grandeur of our character, even more than by the strength of our arms.


Frenchmen, you war against kings; you are therefore worthy to honor Divinity. Being of Beings, Author of Nature, the brutalized slave, the vile instrument of despotism, the perfidious and cruel aristocrat, outrages Thee by his very invocation of Thy name. But the defenders of liberty can give themselves up to Thee, and rest with confidence upon Thy paternal bosom. Being of Beings, we need not offer to Thee unjust prayers. Thou knowest Thy creatures, proceeding from Thy hands. Their needs do not escape Thy notice, more than their secret thoughts. Hatred of bad faith and tyranny burns in our hearts, with love of justice and the fatherland. Our blood flows for the cause of humanity. Behold our prayer. Behold our sacrifices. Behold the worship we offer Thee.

The correlation between institution of civic religion(s) and the rise of the Reign of Terror is completely coincidental.

The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."

Atheism is aristocratic...

Once again, you lie about the historical record to suit your story. Arslan didn't want war and, at the time in the very least, did not want Anatolia.

Your "coerced" treaty was based upon an Eastern Roman offensive that turned into a debacle with the capture of Manuel. Arslan could've asked for whatever he wanted. Instead, he gave them quite favorable terms

Those figures inlcude the French Revolutionary Wars that were fought between France and a whole bunch of scared monarchs. If those are included, then it is only fair to include the death tolls of the various religious wars into the equation. Do you really want to do that?

Actually, I'm right. The Revolution did take a spiritual turn with the establishment of such religious groups as the Cult of Reason and Robespierre's Cult of the Supreme Being. Sorry. You're wrong again.

Yet, again, here you are trying to point to Vatican influence as the determining factor in free Christian agents deciding to throw Jews into a synagogue and set it on fire.

Here's a big one for you: The second iteration of the Ku Klux Klan. Sanctioned and allowed to hold membership drives in protestant churches nationwide.

Unlike the original Klan of the Reconstruction South, this one focused mainly on ant-Catholic and Jewish sentiments and reached estimated membership of six million with some of the most powerful Klan branches being in "Redneck Southern Backwaters" like Indiana.

I know we like to focus on the racial when regarding the Klan, but any full study of this second group necessitates a focus on the overtly religious Protestantism of the organization. Period.

Here's a big one for you: The second iteration of the Ku Klux Klan. Sanctioned and allowed to hold membership drives in protestant churches nationwide.

Unlike the original Klan of the Reconstruction South, this one focused mainly on ant-Catholic and Jewish sentiments and reached estimated membership of six million ...

What about those who bombs abortion clinics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

This sums the topic nicely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Stop picking on the extremists of my religion! They're so much better than the extremists of other religions!

Don't worry Pariah, I'll save you! Even though I hate you! We loons must stick together!

What about those who bombs abortion clinics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

This sums the topic nicely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

What about those who bombs abortion clinics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

This sums the topic nicely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

#PariahIsAnIdiot

LALALALALALALALI'm not gonna bother reading itLALALALALALALA

Yeah, but....

Heh.

He's too busy filling out the Special Forces application. In crayon.

it's amazing how I can ignore this subforum for a week and a half and come back and not miss a beat. well done, everyone.

I stopped right there as it was apparent that you were going to continue rationalizing the fact that they invaded without provocation.

The Crusades were not religious wars.

Everyone likes to label them as such since the soldiers felt they were protecting the main Christian continent. More aptly however, the conflicts were territory disputes; the Seljuk Turks moved in, and then other nations responded. You can argue that many individual soldiers fought with their faith in mind--as that was the key recruitment factor--but you can't argue that-that's why the wars were fought by the European governments. If that were the case, why didn't Europe just begin its own invasion of the Muslim territories prior to the incidents?

It seems what you're trying to do is conflate a "religious" label to whatever extreme doctrine or philosophy that might happen to surface, but you're not applying very stringent parameters to actually define it adequately--which make sense because keeping your use of the term more abstract allows you to make more nebulous claims.

Uh, no. I don't believe the Vatican ever authorized that. But are you claiming that this is, and was, a common occurrence among individual Christians? Have we seen a great deal of Christian burnings of Synagogues with people inside them over the years?

it's amazing how I can ignore this subforum for a week and a half and come back and not miss a beat. well done, everyone.