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If you've had enough and thought enough about Rob Kamphausen and his Legion message board, please stop reading now.
I apologize in advance. This posting vents a bit, from anger that still resides in the depths, despite my best efforts over three weeks. It also documents a still-twitching nerve fiber of that venue, in the nature of an autopsy.
I was fighting insomnia tonight, by doing some computer cleanup, when I ran across Steve Lightle's heartfelt plea for Legion-fan cohesion (posted elsewhere, including the DCMBs, as "The Legion Family") in my all-remembering ClipMate clipboard utility. And it occurred to me that I had read about his having posted it on Rob's Legion HQ.
With all that had transpired, I was morbidly curious as to the reaction over there. Emphasis on morbid, because that forum is dead, despite its still having a few intelligent people -- some from here -- inexplicably still posting amid the ruins occasionally.
I was dismayed, but not surprised, to see Rob himself posting tonight in that thread, freely admitting that it was after he'd been drinking for three hours.
He Who Wanders had been kind enough to mention me earlier in the thread, by name, and note that on the DCMBs (blue version) he and I had disagreed on the importance of tact. I took HWW to heart, and decided to not post a response to Rob on his own private property.
So I did what I'd neglected to do earlier: I removed all personal information from my user profile, turned off the Dawnstar avatar, and left only the URL "www.legionworld.net" as my custom title. I didn't want anything of a personal nature on that system, except an endorsement of this one. (And my written words up to then.) I came back here to post.
Rob delivered a rant about being an injured, generous innocent that had to be seen to be believed. Yet I won't dissect all of that. I'll confine myself to this:
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{After setting up "Legion HQ"} we hadda buncha crazy yet happy legion fans doing and saying whutever the heck they wanted in a forum completely free and random, just like they asked for.
then, in the span of just a few hours, when i was out doing my "real world" thing, many of these happy people realized exactly what "free and random" means.
see, as a moderator for half a decade now, i'll letcha in on a lil secret: seems almost no one wants freedom of speech. what people want is freedom of -their- speech. its a distinct and clear difference, but not one many will accept or admit.
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We Legion fans asked for nothing "free and random." And what Rob Kamphausen will not accept or admit is that he is not merely a grammatical ignoramus, as this and other postings have shown. He is also, as this shows, a historical and a logical one.
"Freedom of speech" belongs, and it always has belonged, to the realm of politics. It has to do with -government- action, with its being prevented from trampling on one's natural and (per Jefferson) inalienable rights. It has nothing to do with private actions.
Rob controls his property -- as much as he wants to do so. Or not. What he allows on his message boards is not a matter of "freedom." It is a matter of what he prefers. And he prefers to -not have discussion forums,- when his cronies feel like trashing them.
That, quite simply, is the crux of what went wrong. Rob misled us into thinking that the Legion HQ (or his boards, more generally, earlier) would be a place for discussion. Wild and woolly and astoundingly off-topic at times, but nonetheless discussion.
He didn't want that. He wanted something "random," with no constraints whatsoever on anything that might disrupt rational expression.
That is what he was never forthright about, until the trashing of Legion HQ and the mass departure. He was, and is, footing the bill for that venue, but that gives him no moral right to posture as the injured and generous benefactor, when his actions were a matter of deception, however partly passive.
I know this has been chewed upon endlessly already, yet I never got to the heart of it in my own mind until now. I had to put it on record.
Some of you are going to say, "Grey, get a life and forget about it all." And you're right, I should. Yet we should also grieve for being deprived of any place to speak one's mind, where it can fire on all cylinders. This is how I'm doing it. And I've said enough.
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I noticed you had to delete the last one, Rob. That's pathetic.
Well, here's a reminder -- your disgusting behavior towards this forum did not go unnoticed. Greybird speaks for us all, above.
Close this forum, now!
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Greybird thinks he has friends. How pathetic.
I really like the ego. "I speak for everyone." No one has ever even admited to liking he guy. Personally, I think he should just stick to his narrowminded, long-winded, void of thought rants and stop professing to be the voice of the people.
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well, this is a very nice n'peaceful message. and, he's right, certainly clearer than my own drunken ramblings.
...but c'mon, which is funner?
...shit... waitaminute, is "funner" a word? ... damnit, now i'm gonna look all exploitive or something... ..damn...
anywho... yeah, i briefly saw the first version of this thread from yesterday, but no, i did not delete it. i'd have no reason to. i didn't delete this one, either. if its gone, someone else must've trashed it for unknown reasons.
i didn't get a chance to really read yesterday's thread, though, cuz i've been so busy at work and home lately. but, tonight, i've got a spare moment.
so, my rebuttal? ...i guess i don't really have one. if everyone is pissed and in a stomp-on-your-grave type mood, thats fine. everyone is entitled to whatever feelings they can muster. im certainly no peach to deal with.
why or how someone could be this mad at me over the legion forum, i simply dunno. but, whatever floats yer boat.
my boat is floating in the opposite direction. truth be told, i met a whole buncha really nice legion people during their brief tenure here, whom i doubt are represented in the above tirade. greybird is his own man, who never seemed to like me much anyhow, so no sweat there. i don't know a thing about him, so i can't sit here and critique the guy.
what i do know is there are lotsa other good folks in them thar legion boards, be it my own or elsewhere. most were (are) really nice, really friendly, really appreciative and helpful and funny and ready to assist with whatever. good spirits. some have even conversed with me via emails or pms or stuck around to post. and i'm more than happy to have any of their company.
things may not have worked out here for some (or most, or all), and thats a bummer. maybe its temporary, maybe its not. regardless, there are no hard feelings. not on my end. if everyone is off having a good time now, posting in their proverbial happy place, isn't that all that matters?
smile. have fun. its good for you! puts hair on your chest.
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The thing about Grey is that he must have the last word. You may as well let him otherwise he'll probably turn up a year later and do this all over again.
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Paul's right. As are the people who mention that Grey most certainly doesn't speak for everyone who posted here.
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Agreed. I certainly have no hard feelings towards Rob. I think he rocks! And although I don't really post anymore, I come here every day to read his journal, which is always a good read :)
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so you're the one! ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif)
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What can I say? Your writing brings a smile to my face, and your pics (which there just aren't enough of) do nice things to... other parts of my anatomy
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I got a "shout out" in da journal! I'm all, like, moist and stuff! ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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quiet, you grammatical ignoramus!
i'm being princed!
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I wondered why you had that look on your face
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it aint all shits n'giggles.
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Depends on where you're sticking it mate.
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quote:
Originally posted by Archangel Paulus:
Get a room!
Oh, sorry... I forgot. We were supposed to be hating Rob. That man bitch. Hmmmm... would that be a "manitch?"
Sigh... I always did like bad boys
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mmm... delicious manwich sammidge....
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Yeah, must remember we're hating Rob. Grrrr. ![[you sunnuva...]](images/icons/mad.gif) But, well, he's such a cutie...
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Isn't that a hobbit from Lord of the Rings?
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I'm still waiting for some Robisms to start flavoring my everyday speech. Although I suspect "Boken" is gonna be lost on Mainers
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You just want something of Rob's in your mouth. I've never read such filth!
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perhaps she's a logical ignoramus?
its possible.
... tho robisms are the wave of the future.
stick with me, lady. we can ban the world!
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Robisms. Mmmm, that sounds like fun. Do we get extra special one on one lessons or are they reserved just for the Princess?
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lets be honest here;
no one should live without robisms. they're a vital part of the fabric of life, and society as we know it, not to mention a great source of vitamins and minerals and happily placed in a balanced part of today's breakfast.
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To be honest, that's why I sleep late on the weekends. There's not usually a journal update on Saturday or Sunday, so really there's no point in getting out of bed. I just lounge around and have "noice" dreams (I was gonna say something with "hizzah" in it, but to be honest I'm not entirely sure how to use it in a sentence )
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i dont think anyone is.
at least those in hizzah.
but yes, the joys of robisms are far and wide.
imagine: being able to spell existing words and phrases however you want!
y'cant beat that.
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I do think that it takes a certain type of person to do proper justice to Robisms, though. Otherwise it would be too much like Vanilla Ice. You know what they're going for, but are left wondering what the heck they were thinking, y'know? Yup yup
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waitaminute... did i just get vanilla iced?
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quote:
Originally posted by XlegionX:
quote:
Originally posted by Greybird:
If you've had enough and thought enough about Rob Kamphausen and his Legion message board, please stop reading now.
I apologize in advance. This posting vents a bit, from anger that still resides in the depths, despite my best efforts over three weeks. It also documents a still-twitching nerve fiber of that venue, in the nature of an autopsy.
I was fighting insomnia tonight, by doing some computer cleanup, when I ran across Steve Lightle's heartfelt plea for Legion-fan cohesion (posted elsewhere, including the DCMBs, as "The Legion Family") in my all-remembering ClipMate clipboard utility. And it occurred to me that I had read about his having posted it on Rob's Legion HQ.
With all that had transpired, I was morbidly curious as to the reaction over there. Emphasis on morbid, because that forum is dead, despite its still having a few intelligent people -- some from here -- inexplicably still posting amid the ruins occasionally.
I was dismayed, but not surprised, to see Rob himself posting tonight in that thread, freely admitting that it was after he'd been drinking for three hours.
He Who Wanders had been kind enough to mention me earlier in the thread, by name, and note that on the DCMBs (blue version) he and I had disagreed on the importance of tact. I took HWW to heart, and decided to not post a response to Rob on his own private property.
So I did what I'd neglected to do earlier: I removed all personal information from my user profile, turned off the Dawnstar avatar, and left only the URL "www.legionworld.net" as my custom title. I didn't want anything of a personal nature on that system, except an endorsement of this one. (And my written words up to then.) I came back here to post.
Rob delivered a rant about being an injured, generous innocent that had to be seen to be believed. Yet I won't dissect all of that. I'll confine myself to this:
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{After setting up "Legion HQ"} we hadda buncha crazy yet happy legion fans doing and saying whutever the heck they wanted in a forum completely free and random, just like they asked for.
then, in the span of just a few hours, when i was out doing my "real world" thing, many of these happy people realized exactly what "free and random" means.
see, as a moderator for half a decade now, i'll letcha in on a lil secret: seems almost no one wants freedom of speech. what people want is freedom of -their- speech. its a distinct and clear difference, but not one many will accept or admit.
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We Legion fans asked for nothing "free and random." And what Rob Kamphausen will not accept or admit is that he is not merely a grammatical ignoramus, as this and other postings have shown. He is also, as this shows, a historical and a logical one.
"Freedom of speech" belongs, and it always has belonged, to the realm of politics. It has to do with -government- action, with its being prevented from trampling on one's natural and (per Jefferson) inalienable rights. It has nothing to do with private actions.
Rob controls his property -- as much as he wants to do so. Or not. What he allows on his message boards is not a matter of "freedom." It is a matter of what he prefers. And he prefers to -not have discussion forums,- when his cronies feel like trashing them.
That, quite simply, is the crux of what went wrong. Rob misled us into thinking that the Legion HQ (or his boards, more generally, earlier) would be a place for discussion. Wild and woolly and astoundingly off-topic at times, but nonetheless discussion.
He didn't want that. He wanted something "random," with no constraints whatsoever on anything that might disrupt rational expression.
That is what he was never forthright about, until the trashing of Legion HQ and the mass departure. He was, and is, footing the bill for that venue, but that gives him no moral right to posture as the injured and generous benefactor, when his actions were a matter of deception, however partly passive.
I know this has been chewed upon endlessly already, yet I never got to the heart of it in my own mind until now. I had to put it on record.
Some of you are going to say, "Grey, get a life and forget about it all." And you're right, I should. Yet we should also grieve for being deprived of any place to speak one's mind, where it can fire on all cylinders. This is how I'm doing it. And I've said enough.
Did anyone actually read all of that?
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Of course not, silly. I was referring to those poor younguns out there, desperate to be a cool Robster, but just not having the right stuff ta back it up.
Of course, I would undoubtedly compare all of them to you, so how can they help but pale in comparison? It's like comparing Mountain Dew and Wal-Mart's "White Lightning." Sure they look similar, and probably have similar taste, but there's nothing like the real Dew.
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they make it out of pee....
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or how the conservative republican bastards have been hiding "mr. pibbs" for years, in favor of releasing and pushing "dr. pepper" down our throats.
like we can't tell the difference!
down with the president -- up with the princess!!
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they make it out of infected pee.....
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quote:
Originally posted by Rob Kamphausen:
down with the president -- up with the princess!!
Hey, in a world where Gary Coleman can run for Governor of California... ANYTHING can happen
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whatchoo talkin bout, crujectra
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According to E!Online:
(Arnold) Schwarzenegger, the Austrian-born bodybuilder turned Hollywood-based Republican booster, is not the only Hollywood type to opt into the race. In the days since the recall was declared a go, more than 500 Californians have pulled the paperwork needed to declare their candidacies. Among the notables: former child star Gary Coleman, Hustler publisher Larry Flynt, ex-Politically Incorrect commentator Arianna Huffington and billboard star Angelyne.
I wonder if he'll ask Mrs Garrett to be one of his advisors? She certainly managed Edna's Edibles well. How much harder could it be to run a state?
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The Governator
Arnold actually finished his press conference (announcing his decision to run) with "I'll be back." Maria Shriver must be so proud :)
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