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I thought Alan Moore's second-part of "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" was the final Action issue before Byrne's reboot....  Either way, nice clue hunting, man. Be nice, Dave Luthor.......that cookie tin might be Ralph and Sue's final appearance together.....  
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Superman #423 was the final issue before the Byrne reboot
ANDDDDD....to make this even freakier, in the final issue before the Byrne reboot, Alan Moore had Superman kill Mr. Mxyzptlk and then reqlinquish his powers, saying that "no one had a right to kill, not even Superman."
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So now suddenly people are taking my Superman theory into consideration. I came up with this in one of the previous threads... in issue 3, Superman is listening in on the old JLAers, and he looks annoyed. They're on to his secret!
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Superman's a MUR-DIDDLY-URDLER!!!
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I bet he screams like a girl, too.
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423 is the combination for my luggage!!
MisterJLA is RACKing awesome.
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Superman #423 was the final issue before the Byrne reboot
For a second I read "the last issue of the Byrne reboot". I almost pissed myself when I remembered that's the issue where Superman kills Zod and company.
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Holy...
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I guess I'm the first to look up ADVENTURE COMICS #423, but it strangely fits with the earlier 423s mentioned. Take a look for yourself:
The story inside is even more horrific than the cover suggests. Superman decides to wear his Clark Kent glasses all the time and tries to FORCE THE REST OF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE TO WEAR GLASSES, TOO! That fiend!
(Oh, and the glasses have something to do with a couple of queer-looking aliens who want to conquer Earth for lack of anything better to do that afternoon.)
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Batman 423 doesn't fit the pattern:  But, holy shit, take a look at 424: 
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Holy...
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I guess I'm the first to look up ADVENTURE COMICS #423, but it strangely fits with the earlier 423s mentioned. Take a look for yourself:
BTW, this probably doesn't need pointing out, but the person (Supergirl) who fingered Superman as the traitor HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE 1985!!!
Suspicious, isn't it? Who WAS the Anti-Monitor working for, after all?!? Strange that he never appeared before or after the CRISIS, either... could he have been... paid off? The only proof we have that he is even dead is the word of... you guessed it... the Earth-2 Superman... WHO NO LONGER EXISTS!
Can't you see a pattern, people! It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma! WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING-GLASS, PEOPLE!!!
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You know, this might be a good time to resurrect that "Michael Moore's Twilight of the Superheroes" thread.
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More 423s: Genesis 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.Exodus 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.Leviticus 4:23 Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:Leviticus 4:24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD: it is a sin offering.The 4th verse of the 23rd Psalm: Psalms 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 
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So now suddenly people are taking my Superman theory into consideration. I came up with this in one of the previous threads... in issue 3, Superman is listening in on the old JLAers, and he looks annoyed. They're on to his secret!
I wouldn't say that couldn't happen. And I wouldn't entirely discredit the "423" clue because Meltzers already used pre-Crisis/satelite era stories (namely JLA #'s 122 & 154) as a reference for previous "mind wipes" performed by the satelite JLA,* and he said, "that the clues are there if you look for them".
But I still don't think one of the satelite crew is the killer. I just think that Meltzer's goin' to use certain pre-Crisis/satelite era stories as reasons for why the JLA would have to "mind-wipe" one of its own.
This way Meltzer gives each one of them a motive (being pissed at being brain-raped) and can throw readers off of who the real killer is. I also think he's going to use this to change the relationships between certain characters, so the DCU isn't so "friendly", and that every hero won't inherently trust one another.
Keeping secrets always tends to bite you on the ass sooner or later.
I also think this will change the way heroes will look at themselves in the future. Once each member discovers that they've "crossed the line" at some point in their past, I think they'll try and work harder to make sure that never happens again.
*In JLA #122 Dr. Light uses an invention of his to discover the secret identities of the JLA, and is "mind-wiped" by Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) & in #154 Dr. Destiny learns the identities of the JLA and is "mind-wiped" (as mentioned by Green Arrow in IC #3)
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In JLA #122 Dr. Light uses an invention of his to discover the secret identities of the JLA, and is "mind-wiped" by Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) & in #154 Dr. Destiny learns the identities of the JLA and is "mind-wiped".
I think I mentioned before that Green Lantern gave Major Disaster a mental block preventing him from giving away the identity of Hal Jordan as GL, and which drove him insane. Following his reform, Disaster now is a member of the JLA (I'm not up to date with that, so maybe not) and knows their security systems.
So, he was a mind wipe victim who went mad and then silly like Dr Light (see Major Disaster in the Injustice Gang / JLAntarctica) a former Silver Age foe of Green Lantern (which might explain why the Spectre cannot intervene in this), and knows how to bypass JLA security.
Isn't he a potential suspect?
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In JLA #122 Dr. Light uses an invention of his to discover the secret identities of the JLA, and is "mind-wiped" by Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) & in #154 Dr. Destiny learns the identities of the JLA and is "mind-wiped".
I think I mentioned before that Green Lantern gave Major Disaster a mental block preventing him from giving away the identity of Hal Jordan as GL, and which drove him insane. Following his reform, Disaster now is a member of the JLA (I'm not up to date with that, so maybe not) and knows their security systems.
So, he was a mind wipe victim who went mad and then silly like Dr Light (see Major Disaster in the Injustice Gang / JLAntarctica) a former Silver Age foe of Green Lantern (which might explain why the Spectre cannot intervene in this), and knows how to bypass JLA security.
Isn't he a potential suspect?
Could be. Flash and GA are part of the JL:E (like Major Disaster) and are involved. And MD was a Suicide Squad member, so he knows the methods of different villains. But Batman revealed in IC #4 that it isn't a Suicide Squad member past or present.
I think the "Who benefits?" line is the real clue.
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I remembr one theory is that the heroes are themselves unbenownest the killers, controlled by someone like Hector Hammond (who the League was off fighting for a reason they don't remember when Light got onto the satellite -- with the way he was acting, Hammond could've bene pulling strings on him too)...
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Reading this review of Mark Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme mini-series, I'm reminded that nothing in comics is ever truly original: ...Tom Thumb’s latest invention: the Behavior Modification Program, which can modify brain cells so as to replace negative tendencies with positive ones, in essence reprogramming the personalities of criminals and transforming them into law-abiding citizens.
Again, this causes some friction within the Squadron, as Amphibian and Arcanna object to the use of the device as an assault on free will.
After another vote, the two are overruled, and plans begin to use the machine on the prison population.
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Good grief! I remember that.
One of my beefs with that maxi-series (remember when they used to call 12-issue limited series that?) was that they gratuitously used the "slippery slope" argument to push everything to its "logical" conclusion. It made for interesting reading, but the way changes occurred in rapid succession with one another felt so uncomfortably deterministic and not all that true to life. This statement may sound completely absurd on the face of it -- after all, we're talking about superhero comic-books, here -- but when every facet of the plot is moving things in a certain direction, and there is no counter-movement, it begins to lack a certain degree of believability.
It's like the abuse of the metaphor of the thousand monkeys typing on a thousand typewriters and the idea that eventually an entire Shakespearean play will be produced, given enough time and random chance. People usually use this argument to explain why there is no need for a creator. Unfortunately this argument doesn't really take into consideration the factor of entropy -- in the typing monkeys metaphor entropy would be represented by each monkey hitting the "delete" key (on a keyboard rather than a typewriter, natch) nearly as many times as an ordinary key is hit, naturally causing the probability of an entire Shakespearean play to become even more astronomically less likely to be typed out by random chance.
Hm. I'm not sure where I was going with that, but it's 5:30 AM and I've been up all night, so my brain isn't working at its optimum capacity.
Oh, right -- I was talking about my problem with the plot movement of Squadron Supreme. But I'll stop now.
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I'd forgotten Squadron Supreme had mind alteration of villains, too. Good pick up, G-man.
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I'd say the case of the Squadron Supreme was a different case. There, they were trying to establish order and rid themselves of the threat of supervillains in order to establish a utopia.
The JLA here was acting out of a need for self-preservation. They saw that Dr. Light not only violated one of their loved ones, but was very capable of doing it again. It's a much more personal case, regardless of if they did it to others. Unlike the case of the SS, it was mainly to return to the status quo.
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Could Connor Hawke be the killer? He has no purpose anymore, plus there seems to be some focus on GA in the series.
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Anything's possible...but what's his motive? I don't see him being a possibility, if for no other reason than this would come COMPLETELY out of left field.
"Damn you Dad! I was Green Arrow! Then you had to go and come back to life! I'm gonna kill all your friends' wives!!!" just doesn't seem to fly...
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Maybe there's a flaw in his quiver.
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That wasn't very nice, Axel. Nor funny.
Why are you talking to yourself?
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Conner being the villain..? Nah! Methinks it's Digger's kid.
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If Connor isn't the villian he should at least get killed! Of all the people they could kill to get to GA he seems the most likely to bite it.
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If "they" go after Connor, "they" had better pack some serious heat. He's only one of the top three hand-to-hand fighters in the DCU....
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