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House of M vs. Infinite Crisis - Part 1: The Concept
by Hilary Goldstein
Two rival companies, two competing events. Marvel's mega-event, House of M, is already halfway through to its conclusion while DC's multi-year saga, Infinite Crisis, is still in the prelude stages. Each event promises some significant changes to the status quo and readers have been assured that characters will remember everything that's happened. The biggest characters in each respective universe are at the forefront and the very best talent for DC and Marvel are in control. Lets examine which series is winning the early battle and take a glimpse at who'll come out ahead at the end.
House of M vs. Infinite Crisis - Part 1: The Concept
Infinite CrisisEveryone has good days and bad. Infinite Crisis is the story of a series of very, very bad days for the DCU where not only the existence of the universe is threatened, but the bonds that hold our heroes together. Like the 20-year-old classic Crisis on Infinite Earths, the new Crisis was created to define the DC Universe and its characters. What is a hero? That's a question that came from the ashes of 9/11 and now it is being asked in the DCU. What makes a hero, why do they do what they do and what is the right way to do that job?
As we near the launch of the Infinite Crisis miniseries, the heroes are becoming divided as are the villains. DCU has three characters that it cannot exist without -- Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Each has a different way to doing their job and as the events of the "Sacrifice" storyline come to a close, we see that the three will now be at odds with one another and every other character in the DCU will be caught in the middle.
Crisis does the smart thing of first establishing the status quo, destroying it and then ultimately redefining it.
House of MHouse of M doesn't ask the same questions as Crisis, but it is determined to redefine Marvel's status quo. After the Scarlet Witch goes AWOL with big papa Magneto, the Marvel Universe as we know it disappears in a flash of white and we're introduced to a brand new world. For decades we've seen mutants exist in a homo sapiens world, but House of M pulls a Freaky Friday and images a world where Magneto is king and sapiens are lower-class citizens.
The relatively short series (in comparison to Crisis), is set to draw battle lines between those who want to keep the current world of mutant supremacy and those who want things back the way they once were. But unlike Marvel's last alternate world event, Age of Apocalypse, everyone will remember what happened during the House of M. These events will turn mutant sympathizers into anti-mutant activists and divide the heroes against one another. Why do people love the Fantastic Four and hate the X-Men? That question is finally and fully answered in this series.
which is better and why?
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So far, I like Crisis better. Crisis gets touched upon in the comics I read, but I don't feel any huge need to track down titles I don't normally read. Plus, I really do believe that Crisis has more short- AND long-term ramifications than House Of M.
House Of M strikes me as the same gimmicky "earth-shattering" event as of times past. This storyline will almost certainly be wiped out within two years of its conclusion. Add to that the fact that I'm four issues into this event and I'm no clearer as to what's really going on than I was when it started. Plus, I'm almost forced to pick up mini-series and other issues that I normally wouldn't buy.
Crisis has its own "what's going on" thread over at the DCMBs, if I need it. So far I haven't needed it but it's nice to know that it's there.
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I also go with Crisis. There was more of a build-up, and besides, DC does tend to keep the status quo upset longer than Marvel. Sure, DC brought Hal back as GL, but it took them over a decade to do so. Whereas when Magneto died in New X-Men, he was brought back in a few months.
Infinite Crisis, much like it's predecessor, seems like almost every character in the DCU will get their chance to shine. Already we've seen Adam Strange, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, and even DETECTVE CHIMP play important parts. House of M seems like it's just for the big boys. Unless there was that Captain Ultra one-shot tie-in that will be released later...
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Crisis, no doubt. Marvel is simply retreading the same old "alternate universe/evil future, starring: X-Mutants!" again, and again, and again.... 
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House of M.
Infinite Crisis has no real concept yet, only hype. As of now, it's a string of almost totally unrelated events which we hope will be strung together in a creative and sensical fashion. And that's it. Everything we know we've been told by creators and editors who, as any habitual comic book reader can attest to, aren't the most reliable sources for information.
Meanwhile, the stage has been set for House of M. We know what and who is at stake. Admittedly that could change but at least we have something for now.
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Infinite Crisis. Before Wed. accuses me of a DC bias again  , let me say that I think DC has a better, simpler concept for them than what Marvel is apparently presenting. When it's all said and done, the DCU is going to be different. The editors and creators invovled have taken a lot of time to string together a bunch of ideas involving a shitload of old characters. Unlike House of M, the Crisis series have all taken some of DC's oldest and most obscure characters and revitalized them. For the love of Gob, Catman is an interesting character! Who would have thought that we'd have gotten an Adam Strange mini or Ragman and Detective Chimp in major roles in a major miniseries? DC is going through and rearranging the toy chest, giving old characters who have lost their luster (Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Dr. Light, the Calculator) and showing once again that they make a difference in the DCU. Marvel doesn't seem to really be doing that with House of M. I may be wrong, but it just looks to me like more of a return to the status quo than shaking it up. Quote:
These events will turn mutant sympathizers into anti-mutant activists...
So there's going to be strong anti-mutant feeling across the Marvel U. Hasn't that been the norm for, like, 42 years? Or is this just really Joey Q's "Let's get rid of Grant's cool progression of the X-Men concept" failsafe? I think I read rumblings that Spider-man would get a divorce somewhere. If so, isn't that just making Peter Parker the same ole loveable loser who's love life is shit because of his alter ego that he'd been for decades?
I dunno. Maybe Marvel will pull it off. But I'm just not seeing much of it from up front. But I don't get the big name books like the X-Men line or New Avengers. I'm getting Daredevil, Punisher, and Hulk; and, with the exception of Hulk, they have nothing to do with the House of M story. How can it be a changing of the Marvel U if the whole Marvel U doesn't experience it? DC's concept just seems like it has more devotion and work put into it than Marvel's.
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Infinite Crisis. Before Wed. accuses me of a DC bias again ...
That's just your DC bias talking.
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Okay, seriously...
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So there's going to be strong anti-mutant feeling across the Marvel U. Hasn't that been the norm for, like, 42 years? Or is this just really Joey Q's "Let's get rid of Grant's cool progression of the X-Men concept" failsafe? I think I read rumblings that Spider-man would get a divorce somewhere. If so, isn't that just making Peter Parker the same ole loveable loser who's love life is shit because of his alter ego that he'd been for decades?
I dunno. Maybe Marvel will pull it off. But I'm just not seeing much of it from up front. But I don't get the big name books like the X-Men line or New Avengers. I'm getting Daredevil, Punisher, and Hulk; and, with the exception of Hulk, they have nothing to do with the House of M story. How can it be a changing of the Marvel U if the whole Marvel U doesn't experience it? DC's concept just seems like it has more devotion and work put into it than Marvel's.
Is this concept or future outlook? You make a good case for IC having the better future outlook but I think there's a definite difference between that and concept. You may disagree, though.
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I think the concept is the future outlook of DC and Marvel. I can't see how you can seperate the two when it is obvious that the point of both stories is about shaking up their respective universes. The concept is just the how it is done. Marvel prefers the Mirror Universe approach while DC just seems to be holding up a mirror to each of their characters and making them face themselves and their darkest moments.
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I'm going with Crisis on this one for many of the reasons already stated. Marvel's House of M will be interesting to read, but I get the same feeling about House of M that I got when reading AOA ten years ago - that the changes were temporary. IIRC, none of the major ideas that were brought out in AOA ever really held - except for the character of Blink who made an appearance here and there after AOA was over - and then there was an X-Man title about Nate Grey that was out for awhile, but I don't think it lasted.
Crisis seems to be dealing with long term ramifications. I'm more excited about that.
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HoM is shaking up an "alternate" reality. Infinite Crisis is shaking up its actual, mainstream universe. As with twenty-years ago, DC is showing it's not afraid to play with the real characters....
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I also go with Crisis. There was more of a build-up, and besides, DC does tend to keep the status quo upset longer than Marvel. Sure, DC brought Hal back as GL, but it took them over a decade to do so. Whereas when Magneto died in New X-Men, he was brought back in a few months.
Infinite Crisis, much like it's predecessor, seems like almost every character in the DCU will get their chance to shine. Already we've seen Adam Strange, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, and even DETECTVE CHIMP play important parts. House of M seems like it's just for the big boys. Unless there was that Captain Ultra one-shot tie-in that will be released later...
You forgot about Superman..... Both companies do the same all the time. I like the Crisis stuff better so far. I'll wait to pass full judgement when both stories are told. Lets face it. DC brought Jim Lee in to draw two pathetic stories to get their numbers up. Both were total garbage. I also find it funny how Marvel gets attacked by the DC elite (fans of DC) for using second tier characters. Let me see,,, like Blue Betle, Booster Gold, Adam Strange, and Detective Chimp. Among others. Again, DC fans should thank Marvel for the fantastic Batman movie this summer. If not for the Marvel movies that kick ass you would have never gotten this Batman movie. You would have gotten the same old lame flick as you have in the past.
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By the way. How many DC fans loved Batman & Robin but have a problem with any Ultimate books over at Marvel? I was told by a DC fan who works at my local comic shop as to why he didn't follow Ultimate Spider-Man. "He had seen it all before" when it comes to Spidey. But when it comes to the Batman & Robin stuff he likes it. I guess he hasen't seen that story before even though he falls under the title of DC elite fan boy. lol Good day mates.
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I also find it funny how Marvel gets attacked by the DC elite (fans of DC) for using second tier characters. Let me see,,, like Blue Betle, Booster Gold, Adam Strange, and Detective Chimp. Among others.
Where did anyone say anything derogatory about any second-tier Marvel characters? Please quote said allegations and explain your offense/point.
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Again, DC fans should thank Marvel for the fantastic Batman movie this summer. If not for the Marvel movies that kick ass you would have never gotten this Batman movie. You would have gotten the same old lame flick as you have in the past.
Where did anyone bring up the comic book movies in this thread, Marvel or DC? Please quote and explain your point as to how it relates to anything we are talking about.
Oh, and once again, by the way...
- Superman: The Motion Picture (1979)
- Superman II (1981)
- Batman (1989)
DC fans are very happy that Marvel finally caught up....twenty years later...
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By the way. How many DC fans loved Batman & Robin but have a problem with any Ultimate books over at Marvel? I was told by a DC fan who works at my local comic shop as to why he didn't follow Ultimate Spider-Man. "He had seen it all before" when it comes to Spidey. But when it comes to the Batman & Robin stuff he likes it. I guess he hasen't seen that story before even though he falls under the title of DC elite fan boy. lol Good day mates.
With Ult.Spidey, I tend to agree. They are rehashing the entire history of the original book, rather than taking it in fresh directions. I find it hard to see how this "person" you speak of can safely state that All Star Batman does not do the same, what with only ONE issue actually having been published. If they do the same thing, then, I would find it as boring as Ult. Spidey. Ult. FF rocks, and, so far, fails to disappoint.
Oh, and, lumping all DC fans together into one group pretty much nullifies any legitimacy your argument may have possessed. Try regrouping your thoughts and presenting your opinions with less of a bitter slant, and people might actually take what you have to say seriously...
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The who-mod?
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The concept is just the how it is done.
That's basically what I'm saying. The concept and future outlook are two parts that have a lot to do with each other, but still remain separate.
I think you can grade one without including the other. To each his own, though.
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HoM is shaking up an "alternate" reality. Infinite Crisis is shaking up its actual, mainstream universe. As with twenty-years ago, DC is showing it's not afraid to play with the real characters....
HoM is supposed to shake up the mainstream universe. This isn't as much an alternate reality as it is an altered version of "true" reality. The events that transpire will be remembered after reality is set right, supposedly. And, apparently, the way non-superheroes view their super powered protectors will change, probably for the worse. Meanwhile, Crisis will change the way heroes view themselves.
Both will be interesting, I hope.
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HoM is supposed to shake up the mainstream universe. This isn't as much an alternate reality as it is an altered version of "true" reality.
Isn't that the case with every "alternate reality" storyline outside Elseworlds and What Ifs? That's exactly what they said about 1602, and so far the only consequence is a crappy looking sequel...
That said, I read the HoM spoilers in Lying In The Gutters and the outcome did seem pretty cool. I hope they don't fuck up the execution of the idea, though.
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I just read the HoM and Crisis spoilers. HoM's will be a very good thing, while Crisis's will be more...monumental. Can't say it's good or bad until I see it through.
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I just read the HoM and Crisis spoilers. HoM's will be a very good thing, while Crisis's will be more...monumental. Can't say it's good or bad until I see it through.
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Broad generalizations and unusual bias keeps the forum going?
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We chat most, I've found, when faced with opposing arguments filled with the broad generalizations and unusual bias (unusual?).
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