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sweet. Im not buying it but its still sweet...
big_pimp_tim-made it cool to roll in the first damn place! Mon Jun 11 2007 09:27 PM- harley finally rolled with me "I'm working with him...he's young but, there is much potential. He can apprentice with me and then he's yours for final training. He will remember the face of his father... Some day, Knutreturns just may be the greatest of us all...."-THE bastard
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At this point I have no faith or interest in DC. They're too corporate in many ways, they let Johns and Loeb write fanwank instead of real stories, and everything seems aimed at getting one big crossover with no sense they actually have a story to tell.
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actually Marvel's letting Loeb write the fanwank these days. please pay attention, reax.
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These crossovers are very much teh suck lately.
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actually Marvel's letting Loeb write the fanwank these days. please pay attention, reax.
maybe a little with a single title, but they're not letting him and Johns turn the whole marvel universe into fanwank, like DC has.
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actually Marvel's letting Loeb write the fanwank these days. please pay attention, reax.
maybe a little with a single title, but they're not letting him and Johns turn the whole marvel universe into fanwank, like DC has.
That's because they have JMS and Bendis...
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oh, so you liked the norman osborn/gwen stacy romance. . .gotcha. 
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he kind of got you with that one Piggie!
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No, not really. I was saying JMS and Bendis were already fanwank...
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he kind of got you with that one Piggie!
Plus I used the all powerful force...."  "
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JMS and the power of Loeb combined do not nearly match the sheer shit-force of Geoff Johns, and the reincarnation of Bill Jemas himself, Dan Didio. With Infinite Crisis, DC came to a dead halt, and threw the gears completely in reverse. In less than a year, they pretty much ran DC into the ground, as far as I'm concerned. Civil War was glorious literature compared to IC. Countdown is just another misstep, and I guarantee another shot in the foot for the company...
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I'm not arguing that point....just that marvel sucks too. Civil War wasn't all that great. millar, Davis, and Vaughn are about all Marvel has...
DC also has Darwyn Cooke, Wagner, and some others...
I really don't see how either are doing that well with fundamentally sound storytelling.
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I'm not arguing that point....just that marvel sucks too. Civil War wasn't all that great. millar, Davis, and Vaughn are about all Marvel has...
DC also has Darwyn Cooke, Wagner, and some others...
I really don't see how either are doing that well with fundamentally sound storytelling.
  
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big_pimp_tim-made it cool to roll in the first damn place! Mon Jun 11 2007 09:27 PM- harley finally rolled with me "I'm working with him...he's young but, there is much potential. He can apprentice with me and then he's yours for final training. He will remember the face of his father... Some day, Knutreturns just may be the greatest of us all...."-THE bastard
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I really don't see how either are doing that well with fundamentally sound storytelling.
Marvel is doing better storytelling because, unlike DC, they have a better grasp of diversifying their books. DC has everything linked. Every DC book was somehow co-opted by Infinite Crisis, then the books had to adjust for the year jump, now will have to tie in to Countdown. Making the DCU into a gordian knot.
Marvel's crossovers were a bit more passive, and you can tell the writer's had more of a choice in what they adapted. Also they have the Ultimate and MC2 and MAX lines which are separate from everything else. Which allows a reader to buy a Marvel book without being dragged into the crossover if they wish.
Also DC is being too much of a tease with their readers. Nothing is really resolved, they don't get that at some point you have to end a big event and let things settle for a bit.
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I did enjoy 52, new multiverse aside it had some good character development. However when Countdown was announced I was more than a little disappointed. I thought DC would have learned something from how crossover heavy they were about 6 years ago (or however long ago OWAW was). The only difference between then and now is that the multitudes of crossovers are really just one story. If my theory is correct and the "New Earth" continuity is completely eliminated (including Dan Jurgens' stuff and whatever remains of Byrne), I'm dropping DC. If I want to live in the Silver Age, I'll buy the old hardcover volumes.
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what I found offensive about 52 was that they tied all the characters into it and jumped the books ahead. so if you only really like one DC character and none of the others you'd still have to buy the series for the full story on your favorite.
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I really don't see how either are doing that well with fundamentally sound storytelling.
Marvel is doing better storytelling because, unlike DC, they have a better grasp of diversifying their books. DC has everything linked. Every DC book was somehow co-opted by Infinite Crisis, then the books had to adjust for the year jump, now will have to tie in to Countdown. Making the DCU into a gordian knot.
Marvel's crossovers were a bit more passive, and you can tell the writer's had more of a choice in what they adapted. Also they have the Ultimate and MC2 and MAX lines which are separate from everything else. Which allows a reader to buy a Marvel book without being dragged into the crossover if they wish.
Also DC is being too much of a tease with their readers. Nothing is really resolved, they don't get that at some point you have to end a big event and let things settle for a bit.
You just arbitrarily forget to mention wildstorm, vertigo, all star, and about 3 other imprints?????
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I really don't see how either are doing that well with fundamentally sound storytelling.
Marvel is doing better storytelling because, unlike DC, they have a better grasp of diversifying their books. DC has everything linked. Every DC book was somehow co-opted by Infinite Crisis, then the books had to adjust for the year jump, now will have to tie in to Countdown. Making the DCU into a gordian knot.
Marvel's crossovers were a bit more passive, and you can tell the writer's had more of a choice in what they adapted. Also they have the Ultimate and MC2 and MAX lines which are separate from everything else. Which allows a reader to buy a Marvel book without being dragged into the crossover if they wish.
Also DC is being too much of a tease with their readers. Nothing is really resolved, they don't get that at some point you have to end a big event and let things settle for a bit.
Marvel has never had the diversity of books that DC has. 
you're blathering on and on about the Ultimate line, and Max, and MC2, while not realizing that they're all the same thing under different names. Spandex superhero books. that's not diversity.
while DC has DCU, Vertigo, Wildstorm, CMX, and Johnny DC (kid's line of books). Actual different lines of books aimed at different groups of readers. DC has always been more diverse than Marvel has.
The only time that Marvel has ever done anything outside of mainstream Marvel superheroes that's done well was in the early days of Epic in the early eighties (plus the early Conan stuff).
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I thought the Multiverse was a bad idea until I read Morrison's take in Newsarama: Quote:
And the parallel Earths you see in issue #52 are not the familiar pre-Crisis versions. If you think you recognize and know any of these worlds from before, you'd be wrong. We all wanted to do something new with the multiple Earths so what you've already seen in 52 is simply the tip of the iceberg - each parallel world now has its own huge new backstory and characters and each could basically form the foundation for a complete line of new books. If you like the ongoing soap opera dynamics of New Earth, you can watch Mary Marvel turning to the dark side as her skirt gets shorter and shorter, or you can buy the Earth 5 line of books featuring more iconic versions of the Marvel Family. If you miss Vic Sage as the Question, you should be able to follow the adventures of Vic's counterpart on the Charlton/Watchmen world of Earth 4.
The idea behind the Megaverse is to basically create a number of big new franchise possibilities. It's like having several comics companies and universes under one umbrella, so, as I say, there could be one book or a whole line of books spinning out of the new Earth 10 (I handled that particular revamp, so I can tell you that the original concept of the Freedom Fighters on a world where the Nazis won World War 2 has been greatly reconsidered, expanded and intensified into something that's a bit more Wagnerian and apocalyptic and a bit more adult) That's how I'd like to see the Megaverse played out as we move forward. And no crossovers! Each of the parallel universes should exist in its own separate stream with no contact from the others - not until we have a story worthy of bringing them together.
That's a great idea and it would diversify DC's books even more. However, as is often the case with Morrison's concepts, it's possible that other writers simply ignore it.
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that's the thing, it's just Morrison's take right now, and it will probably get totally screwed up as time goes on and the need to "define" all the earths will take precedence.
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That's a great idea and it would diversify DC's books even more. However, as is often the case with Morrison's concepts, it's possible that other writers sImply ignore it.
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