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Comics legend and co-architect of the original Valiant Comics universe, Jim Shooter, has written a new Harbinger story for the upcoming Valiant hardcover collection, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING. The deluxe hardcover by Valiant Entertainment collects the full Harbinger origin story (Harbinger #0-7) for the first time ever, and includes an all-new “Origin of Harada” story by Jim Shooter that features the first appearance of a new key Valiant character!

Harbinger #0-7 has been digitally recolored and remastered using state-of-the-art computer techniques, and the all-new “Origin of Harada” story features art by former Valiant creator Bob Hall (Shadowman).





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Isn't he the guy who created Broadway Comics in the mid 90's?



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Isn't he the guy who created Broadway Comics in the mid 90's?




yeah, that's one of his many accomplishments.

broke into the biz at DC by selling a Legion script when he was thirteen.

became Marvel EIC and oversaw one of the most profitable periods in that company's history during the early and middle 80's (also notably pissing off a variety of high profile creators along the way). Epic, Secret Wars, etc. all came about during Shooter's reign.

Formed Valiant in the late 80's and made them successful in the early 90's. got booted.

Formed Defiant. didn't last.

Formed Broadway. didn't last.

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I remember Broadway. They had this one comic called "Fatale" that was pretty good. The company lasted something, like, 6 months and then it folded. I think they went bankrupt or got bought out or something like that.



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The parent company sold it off.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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I don't know all the details, but I think they were supposed to be a part of Lorne Michaels' company, which is they were called Broadway.

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Yes. Broadway Video was the parent company. And, once again, Shooter was sold down the river.


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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this is what I got off of the Wiki:

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Shooter, together with several of his loyalist coworkers, went on to found Defiant Comics. After some initial success with the first title, the new company failed to secure an audience in the increasingly crowded direct sales market and quickly folded thirteen months after its first title appeared, its resources drained in part by a prolonged court battle with Marvel Comics over Defiant's use of a title (Plasm) resembling one used on a failed title from Marvel's British imprint (Plasmer).

Shooter went on to found Broadway Comics, which was an offshoot of Broadway Video, the production company that produces Saturday Night Live; but this line folded after its parent sold the properties to Golden Books. He then announced his intention to form yet another comic book publisher, Daring Comics, but nothing came of it. He returned to Acclaim for a brief stint in 1999 to write Unity 2000 (an attempt to combine and revitalize the older and newer Valiant universes) but Acclaim folded after the completion of only three of the planned six issues. In August 2000, he became part-owner and creative consultant for the sci-fi firm Phobos Entertainment; however, the website has not been updated for over two years (as of December 2006). In a 2004 interview by Tim Hartnett, of www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com, Jim discusses that his "main occupation is working for a company called TGS, Inc. developing entertainment content for an internet site." The website states that TGS, Inc. was acquired by Ascent Media Systems & Technology Services in October 2005.




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Kinda sad. Broadway Comics had some promise. I actually was looking for the trade of the first 6 ish of Fatale at one point, but its out of print and impossible to find now.



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He returned to Acclaim for a brief stint in 1999 to write Unity 2000 (an attempt to combine and revitalize the older and newer Valiant universes) but Acclaim folded after the completion of only three of the planned six issues.




From what I remember hearing, the other issues weren't completed because Shooter refused to finish them until Acclaim paid him for the first three.


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It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

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I think I remember him saying something about that.

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Just a month removed from the [Aug 29th] release of Valiant Entertainment. Inc.'s Harbinger: The Beginning hardcover, last week's Comic-Con International: San Diego served as the scene of what may wind up being the latest salvo in a brewing battle over the Valiant legacy that is already being fought in the legal arena, and most certainly the court of public opinion.

Valiant readers in attendance of last Friday’s Third Annual Valiant Comics Open Conference panel in San Diego - a fan sponsored event - received news from Valiant Entertainment's Director of Marketing Chip Carter that the publisher plans another upcoming project, for which - according to Carter - Valiant Entertainment is currently in unspecified negotiations to publish.

However, there was a brand new product at Comic-Con of possible interest to Valiant fans, a surprise “exclusive” ashcan that most fans never even knew about featuring concept sketches of new, re-imagined versions of Valiant characters, entitled - though partially misspelled - the "Valiant Sneak Peak" [sic]. This ashcan, however, was not published by Valiant Entertainment.

It was released by Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC.

Confused?

Let’s try to walk through this…

THE BACKSTORY

In 2004 former Valiant copyright and trademark owners Acclaim Entertainment, Inc./Voyager Communications, Inc. filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy and the Valiant characters - which had ceased publication in any form in 2002 - were put up for auction along with all of the companies remaining assets, as is standard in Chapter 7 proceedings. Several interested bidders came forth to attempt to purchase the characters made famous in early nineties titles like Harbinger, Eternal Warrior, and Bloodshot.

However, in a separate action prior the auction period, as Newsarama reported in April of 2005, Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC., a Delaware based company, applied to register the trademarks to a number of Valiant characters, including Secret Weapons, Outcast, Rai and the Future Force, Deathmate, Quantum and Woody, Harbinger, PunX, Dr. Mirage, Eternal Warrior, Ninja, Bloodshot and The Visitor.

Eventually, the Valiant properties were auctioned “AS IS” by the bankruptcy trustee handling Acclaim’s assets, an action no party disputes. But it’s from this point that the positions of the two separate parties claiming rights to Acclaim intellectual property begin to diverge, beginning with - but not limited to - the definition of “AS IS” in the Acclaim case.

VIP (Valiant Intellectual Properties) was not a bidder in the auction, which saw two parties - John Taddeo one, and Ashok Kothari, Jason Kothari, and Chandra Shamdasani the other - both offering bids for $925,000. While Taddeo’s bid was favored by the Court at first, the sale was finally made to the latter group of bidders.

So to quickly recap, the winning bidders, who now go by the name Valiant Entertainment, and are publishing this month's Harbinger hardcover (which it is important to note here, was solicited to include a new Harbinger story by Jim Shooter, and the debut of a “new Valiant character”) are not the same entity as VIP, LLC.

Which brings us back to the definition of “AS IS” in terms of the acquired assets.

Asked what Valiant Entertainment currently claims to hold the rights to (precisely) in regards to the Valiant characters, a company spokesperson told Newsarama, "Valiant Entertainment owns all trademarks and copyrights owned by Acclaim Comics, Inc. and Voyager Communications, Inc. This means all brands - the names of the characters, the titles of books, and the Valiant and Star Logo imprints - and all content - the stories, art, likenesses of characters, animations, game play and the like. They were acquired from Acclaim Entertainment's estate."

Later, asked if their position regarding their rights include the ability to publish brand new stories based on established Valiant characters, as well as the rights to re-imagine and revamp existing characters/trademarks, the spokesperson reiterated that, “Valiant Entertainment owns the right to all Valiant and Acclaim titles, character names, character likenesses, stories, etc.,” adding, “including any derivative works (i.e. re-imaginings, revamps, sequels, etc.), and can use them in any and all media and for any purpose, including new publications.”

In support of this position, in all promotional materials for the Harbinger hardcover, Valiant Entertainment's boilerplate reads:

"VALIANT™ characters include X-O MANOWAR®, BLOODSHOT®, HARBINGER™, ETERNAL WARRIOR™, DOCTOR MIRAGE™, NINJAK™, SHADOWMAN®, RAI™, and QUANTUM & WOODY™, among many others."

Conversely, Newsarama asked Valiant Intellectual Properties Inc.’s attorney Michael Lovitz what his clients understand Valiant Entertainment claims to hold the rights to, and does VIP dispute any or all of VE’s claims and/or their right to publish the Harbinger hardcover, which again is scheduled to feature that new Harbinger story and the debut of the new Valiant character.

“Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC has filed the registration of numerous trademarks and intends to use those trademarks on its own characters and stories,” responded Lovitz. “Valiant Intellectual Properties does not know what rights VE may have bought as part of the Acclaim ‘AS IS’ sale of assets, and it’s not our place to say. Whatever assets they have are those ‘AS IS’ assets it bought, with full knowledge that Valiant Intellectual Properties had filed its trademark applications.”

However, in a separate statement to Newsarama on the matter [which will be published its entirely later in this story], Lovitz is more specific as to VIP’s position as to what VE purchased at auction.

“The Kothari Group proceeded to purchase the Acclaim assets “AS IS”, fully aware that those assets did NOT include the trademarks and that those trademarks were now the subject of applications owned by a third party,” reads Lovitz’s statement in part.

So to attempt to summarize to this point, VE’s position is the assets they purchased include trademarks, despite some lapsing before the Acclaim assets auction, and VIP’s position is the assets purchased did not include some of the trademarks.

With us so far?

Of course, the flipside to the respective positions on what Valiant Entertainment owns and/or possesses the rights to, are the respective positions on that Valiant Intellectual Property owns and/or possesses the rights to.

Asked what VIP currently claims to hold the rights to (precisely) in regards to the Valiant characters, Lovitz replied, “Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC has developed a group of characters that it will be publishing under the trademarks for which it has filed.”

In support of that, the Comic-Con ashcan (which we will describe in greater detail later in this story) includes this boilerplate.

"All characters featured in this book, the distinctive names, images, elements, logos, symbols, and likenesses contained therein and associated therewith that have been reproduced (collectively "intellectual property") are tm and (c) 2007 Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC. unless otherwise noted.”

Asked what VE understands VIP claims to hold the rights to in regards to Valiant intellectual property, and do they support or dispute these claims, the Valiant Entertainment spokesperson replied, “There is a dispute between the parties that is currently being litigated. Upon advice of counsel, we cannot comment on the dispute, but we are confident the facts will confirm our position.”

That said, one of the first actions by the newly formed Valiant Entertainment was to begin filing what are termed “oppositions” to VIP’s trademark applications with the U.S.P.T.O. (United States Patent and Trademark Office). Each trademark application and opposition is handled as a separate case, and several are currently being considered by examining officers, processes that could take up to several years to be completed and ruled upon.

The argument between the two companies seemingly boils down to rights to the trademarks of several properties, all of which according to information on the USPTO.gov website, lapsed at different times. International trademark practice presumes that marks are abandoned if they are not used for a period of time. In the United States, this period is three years.

Important dates to keep in mind with these: Acclaim filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection on September 1st, 2004, and the auction of the Valiant assets was held in April of 2005.

The properties are:
(note - "trademark status" reflects the status as of information on the USPTO site today)


Quantum & Woody
Trademark went dead: 9/17/05
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/21/06
Trademark status: Opposition to VIP claim pending, further VE action suspended

Ninjak
Trademark went dead: 8/27/05
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/21/06
Trademark status: Opposition to VIP claim pending, VE mailed notice requesting additional information

Dr. Mirage
Trademark went dead: 1/22/05 "Doctor"
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05 (for "Dr.")
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/22/06
Trademark status: VIP given allowance for use with "Dr.", further VE action suspended on "Doctor"

Harbinger
Trademark went dead: 12/18/04
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/21/06
Trademark status: Opposition to VIP claim pending, VE mailed notice requesting additional information

Eternal Warrior
Trademark went dead: 11/13/04
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/21/06
Trademark status: Opposition to VIP claim pending, VE mailed notice requesting additional information

Rai and the Future Force
Trademark went dead: 8/7/04
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/21/06
Trademark status: Opposition to VIP claim pending, further VE action suspended

"Valiant" stylized mark
Trademark went dead: 8/9/97
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
VE Application for trademark filed: 12/22/06
Trademark status: VIP appealing USPTO claim mark is too similar to "Prince Valiant," further VE action suspended

Bloodshot
Trademark went dead: renewal listed in USPTO on 11/25/03
VIP Application for trademark filed: 3/31/05
A cancellation proceeding has been filed at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board and is now pending.
In regards to any trademarks that expired after the September 2004 bankruptcy filing, the situation is hardly cut and dry and while U.S. Court decisions have been inconclusive, there apparently is some legal precedent in which courts have claimed that special circumstances (a company’s bankruptcy or its inability to sell its business), justify the 'excused nonuse’ of a mark, and serve as evidence of ‘residual goodwill’ to rebut the presumption of abandonment. Such cases could potentially be cited in any company’s attempt to recover an abandoned mark.

More details on such cases, and trademark law as it pertains to the resumption of abandoned marks in general, can be read in US Courts in Quandry Over “Abandoned” Trademarks: Is an Ex-Trademark Protected if it Remains Known and Loved by Consumers?

In addition to responding to Newsarama’s questions, both Valiant Entertainment’s Senior Vice President and Publisher Walter Black, and Lovitz, also issued separate statements to Newsarama, respectively.

Reads Black’s statement:


"Valiant Entertainment owns all intellectual property rights, which includes all copyrights and trademarks, to the Valiant and Acclaim Comics library of characters previously owned by Acclaim Comics, Inc. and Voyager Communications, Inc. Valiant fans and creators can be assured that Valiant Entertainment will take all actions necessary to fully protect the ownership of its intellectual property. The so called "Valiant Sneak Peak" has not been authorized by Valiant Entertainment. The situation is unfortunate as it ultimately hurts our loyal fans the most."

Lovitz’s statement reads:


”My client Valiant Intellectual Properties appreciates the opportunity to respond – Newsarama is well regarded both as a news site and as a fan site, and has a sterling reputation for its news articles being fair and unbiased, recognizing that every story has two sides.

“In 2005, Valiant Intellectual Properties applied for a number of trademarks that had been cancelled or abandoned (or in one case, a registration that was not enforceable due to fraudulent claims of continued use within government filings) by Acclaim. These applications were filed after I had conducted some basic research of the public records in the U.S. Trademark Office, which revealed that these marks were available. Given that trademark information is public and readily available to everyone, this was something anyone could have (and should have) researched.

“Let me be clear – it was the inactions of Acclaim that led to the abandonment of many of their trademarks, in most cases years before the Acclaim assets were auctioned.

“Subsequently, the Kothari Group, aware of the trademarks not being available, was one of two bidders offering over $900,000 on the ‘AS IS’ Acclaim assets. I recall Newsarama was covering the details of the auction and eventual sale of the Acclaim assets in great detail.

“After the other bidder withdrew from the auction, the Kothari Group proceeded with the purchase of the ‘AS IS’ Acclaim assets, but only after securing a reduction of their bid to $700,000 because of the fact that Acclaim did not have good title to the trademarks.

“Just to be clear:


”(i) The Kothari Group proceeded to purchase the Acclaim assets “AS IS”, fully aware that those assets did NOT include the trademarks and that those trademarks were now the subject of applications owned by a third party; and

“(ii) The Kothari Group relied on those facts to secure a reduction of over $200,000 off the purchase price.
"I’m honestly surprised that after having received such a substantial discount in the purchase price that the Kothari Group could still feel entitled to trademarks that were not included in the Acclaim “AS IS” asset sale, and that they would be misrepresenting their actual rights to the public.

“I can state for the record, and have always stated when inquired of me, that Valiant Intellectual Properties has been and remains open to meeting with the Kothari Group to discuss this matter. At one point I was approached by the Kothari Group and both sides were agreeable to meeting in order to discuss the issue. My only request was that both sides sign a mutual non-disclosure agreement. Understand that this agreement was a mutual non-disclosure - Valiant Intellectual Properties was interested in protecting its ideas, just as we assumed the Kothari Group would want to protect any ideas they were forming at the time. Although the Kothari Group initially agreed to the non-disclosure agreement, they ultimately declined to meet.

“Back in 2005, following Newsarama’s reporting, I received questions from several people identifying themselves as fans of the old Voyager ‘Valiant’ comic line. I was more than happy to answer questions that did not have to compromise my duties to my client. I took the questions as being from fans at face value. Unfortunately, whether intentionally or not, there followed numerous posts on fan sites which (if memory serves) either misquoted me or misrepresented my answers. In addition, there were posts made to Valiant fan forums which proposed violence against my clients and physical assaults directed to me during my presentations at the San Diego Comic-Con International – posts such as these:


’First, kick Lovitz as hard as you can in the nuts. Then ask: ‘Seriously, does that hurt?’ ‘

‘Shall I get my torches and pitchforks ready?’

‘Grab Lovitz by the nuts. Toss him out the window.’

‘I want to know the facts. When available if it is as bad as we think, I will drive us all over to stink bomb their houses.’

‘Their lawyers name is Michael Lovitz and I believe somebody has his address in Philadelphia. There's a VALIANT Gold on its way to you if you do punch him in the guts.’
”In my personal opinion, this was done by a small but vocal group of fans. For example, several fans stated on Valiant fan forums that a gentleman by the name of ‘Dino’ was posting under several different user names. It was later confirmed that Dino was in fact associated with the Kothari Group. Based on that, it appears to me that these threats, misstatements and misrepresentations were all a deliberate attempt to manipulate the Valiant fan boards and mislead the fans as to the actual rights they had purchased.

“I think you can understand my professional and personal frustration in such circumstances, and why I have advised my clients to maintain their silence until now. Despite this, however, I will state for the record that my clients are still willing to meet with the Kathari Group under a mutual NDA.

"Valiant Intellectual Properties appreciates this opportunity to clarify its position and to shed light on the misrepresentations that the Kothari Group has been making about what they acquired at the Acclaim auction. Thanks to you and the Newsarama fans for your time.”
Lovitz, a familiar figure in the company book community, has served as legal representation for a number of publishers over the years. He is also the author of the The Trademark and Copyright Book comic book (published by Sirius) and host/moderator of the Comic Book Law School® 101 series of panels at Comic-Con: International, which includes instructions for new publishers and creators on how to protect their intellectual property rights.

*Lovitz has also provided legal analysis for Newsarama stories in the past.

* Valiant Entertainment has been a paid advertiser on Newsarama.com, advertising the upcoming Harbinger hardcover during the month of July.

THE ASHCAN

So having spent all this time illustrating some of the background as to what was on sale at Comic-Con, what's actually in this "Valiant Sneak Peak" [sic], and where was it available?

The pamphlet was available at one retailer booth on the Comic-Con, the "ComicCentral.com" booth, and was being sold for $40.00. The ashcan - as of publication of this story - is available for sale on the retailer's website, currently for $49.99, with the sale copy, "Is this the return of the Valiant Universe?"

And the contents?

According to Newsarama contributor Ryan McLelland, who purchased a copy at Comic-Con, the blue covered booklet has a “VC” inside a black circle for a logo on the cover (above), perhaps indicating “Valiant Comics.” The bottom reads 'Valiant Sneak Peak' with a woman on the cover, apparently the design for a new Ninjak character. The back cover reads “Valiant Intellectual Properties Sneak Peak” and the copy purchased by McLlelland is labeled #38 out of 100 San Diego 2007 copies.

Inside are twelve pages with simple designs for new characters, including Harbinger, Deathmate, Bloodshot, Outcast, PunX, Rai and the Future Force, Ninjak, The Visitor, Dr. Mirage, Eternal Warrior, and Secret Weapons.

“Deathmate” was the title of now somewhat infamous 1993-94 crossover storyline between Valiant and Image Comics. According to McLelland, in this ashcan Deathmate is apparently re-imagined as a female character in a long black dress and tattoos up her arms. Rai and the Future Force appear to be Asian mob in black suits and carrying machine guns. Doctor Mirage looks like a hollowed-out man on the verge of death. The Visitor looks like a young Superman with a large "V" on his chest. Secret Weapons appears to a military property featuring a male character wearing an eye patch.

An interior page reads simply "COMING SOON!"

The ashcan features only the character designs, apparently all drawn by the same, but unaccredited artist, along with the boilerplate detailed earlier.

Asked what information he could provide in terms of what VIP’s plans are for publication of these properties,” Lovitz responded, “I can tell you that Valiant Intellectual Properties has been working on this for years and I’m certain that as the publication date approaches, they will be announcing more details. Saying any more is really not my place.”

So what’s next? Rulings by the examining officers in VIP’s trademark registration applications (opposed by VE) will certainly shed legal light onto all these issues, whenever those rulings occur. Until then it seems like both parties will proceed with their publishing plans, though Valiant Entertainment has stated for stated they will oppose any VIP publication via “all actions necessary”.

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Jim Shooter was the best EIC Marvel had whose name wasn't Stan Lee. Under Shooter we had the Claremont/Byrne X-men, the Miller Daredevil, the Stern/Romita Jr Spiderman, the Byrne FF, the Simonson Thor, and a number of other books that set the bar for excellent comic books.

Sure, by all accounts he was tough on the writers and artists but a lot of the complaints they had with him were about the fact he--shudder--enforced deadlines.

Was Shooter a saint? Obviously not. But, at the same time, he set a high water mark for Marvel that no one has been able to meet since.

I doubt Marvel would ever hire him again, but if DC was smart they'd hire Shooter and give him an editing job.

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Valiant was a pretty damn good line until they kicked Shooter out.


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Yep. Shooter's a hell of a talented guy.

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As I stated elsewhere, Jim Shooter's 3 or 4 years writing the Legion back in the 1960's was the best era the Legion ever saw, IMO.


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There had been a chance of him doing more Legion but apparently there were enough people at DC that just out & out didn't like him. I think I just got the one side of the story but it struck me as very unprofessional & petty on the part of the anti-Shooter people.

If either company was smart they would bankroll an imprint line or something with him in charge.


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Jim Shooter created Karate Kid and had him join the Legion in Summer 1966, in Adventure comics #346 - 347.

Jim wanted a character that didn't just point his hands at the bad guy and shoot lightning or fire or whatever; he wanted an action oriented character who fought hand to hand combat.

Karate Kid was brave, impetuous, and honorable. Jim wrote him that way.
He was consistantly written as an exciting and interesting hero.

No one else who wrote the Legion after Shooter really "got" Karate Kid; thus,
he was not written as well.

Later, Giffen killed him off, and I am still in denial about that.

Shooter started writing comcs with the Legion - he was only 14 or 15 when he started to do so!


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In the latest development in what has seemingly become a quagmire of intellectual property rights and legalities over the former Valiant characters took another twist this past week. The Harbinger: The Beginning hardcover, originally due to go on sale this Wednesday from Valiant Entertainment, LLC. collecting the original 1990’s Harbinger #0-7 along with an all-new "Origin of Harada" story by Harbinger creator Jim Shooter, has been cancelled in the Direct Market. Retailers who have called their Diamond Comics Distributors representatives to inquire about the availability of the hardcover have been told that the item was canceled Friday due to "legal reasons."

Tuesday retailers were informed by Valiant Entertainment that the volume (which already was sold earlier this month at Wizardworld: Chicago) will still be available for sale, directly from the publisher. Responding to Newsarama’s inquiries about the cancellation and “direct sale” offer, Valiant Entertainment issued a press release addressing the development.

“After careful review and discussion, Diamond Comics and Valiant Entertainment mutually agreed that Harbinger: The Beginning will be distributed via the ‘Valiant Retailer Direct’ program and not through Diamond Comics Distributors,” reads the release.

“The Valiant Retailer Direct program ensures that Valiant readers receive Harbinger: The Beginning within a few days of its scheduled release date, while removing the unnecessary burden on a third party distributor until a current legal dispute is resolved and giving Valiant Entertainment the opportunity to form relationships directly with valuable retail customers,” said Walter Black, Senior Vice President & Publisher of Valiant Entertainment, in the release.

According to the publisher, the “Valiant Retailer Direct” program allows retailers to purchase the new hardcover collection directly from Valiant Entertainment, as opposed to via Diamond, and at a 56% discount off the suggested retail price of $24.95.

The volume will apparently also be available through other retail means and as of Monday evening was available for order on Amazon.com

While neither Valiant Entertainment nor Diamond provided specifics about the “legal dispute” that led to the volume’s Direct Market cancellation, speculation will of course center on the ongoing conflict between Valiant Entertainment, LLC, and Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC. Click here for the full known details of that dispute.

Look for more information on this development as it becomes available.

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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
There had been a chance of him doing more Legion but apparently there were enough people at DC that just out & out didn't like him. I think I just got the one side of the story but it struck me as very unprofessional & petty on the part of the anti-Shooter people.

If either company was smart they would bankroll an imprint line or something with him in charge.


Shooter began writing in comics with Legion in ADVENTURE COMICS, from 1966-1969, beginning when he was 13.

He did come back and do a stint on SUPERBOY/LEGION from issues 209-224 (1975-1976). He left his final story uncompleted in issue 224, an obviously abrupt departure. I always thought it was because he was offered an editorial and writing position at Marvel, but DC may have been pricks to him, the same way they were to Dave Cockrum.
My favorite of Shooter's work is his AVENGERS stories, from 150-180, and 210-224.

Shooter did a lot to spark creativity at Marvel. He was responsible for EPIC Illustrated, and the Epic Comics line, the Marvel Graphic novels, and very consistent and well-written runs on many of Marvel's main titles. As G-man pointed out above.
I'd add to that list:
Michelinie/Romita Jr/Layton IRON MAN 115-156
Roger Stern's DOCTOR STRANGE 46, 48-73
Mantlo/Hannigan SPECTACULAR SPIDERMAN 59-72
Duffy/Gammill POWER MAN/IRON FIST 48-84
Michael Fleischer/Buscema CONAN and SAVAGE SWORD
BIZARRE ADVENTURES 23-34


Shooter also chased away a lot of talent from Marvel and over to DC, though, such as George Perez, Marv Wolfman, Roy Thomas, Gene Colan, Doug Moench and Gene Day.
I have to agree with Shooter that Thomas'(CONAN and SAVAGE SWORD) and Wolfman's(DRACULA) writer/editor series were stagnating and needed some shaking up.

But contrary to Shooter's opinion, Moench/Day's MASTER OF KUNG FU (issues 102-120) were reaching the heights of quality.
I also think Wolfman and Thomas did far better work when they went to DC than they would have if they'd stayed at Marvel.

After Shooter left, Marvel took the "artist-is-everything" attitude, where Chris Claremont was kicked to the side, and guys like Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld and Todd McFarlane were allowed to run wild, churning out talentless garbage and calling it "writing".

A crippling virus that unfortunately went on to infect the rest of the industry.

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Valiant Entertainment – publisher of the Harbinger: The Beginning hardcover announced Friday that the intellectual property dispute between themselves and Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC – publisher of the "Valiant Sneak Peak" ashcan - has been settled, to Valiant Entertainment’s satisfaction.

According to Valiant Entertainment, the two parties settled the dispute last month, after they filed a lawsuit on August 29 against VIP, LLC in the Southern District of New York Federal Court for trademark infringement, unfair competition, false designation of origin, false description, and false representation. And indeed, that suit was voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiff on November 28th 2007 due to the parties entering into a settlement agreement resolving the claims in the action, according to documents on public record obtained by Newsarama.

VE CEO Jason Kothari announced Friday that, “Valiant Entertainment owns all copyrights and trademarks to the Valiant and Acclaim characters, including all right, title, interest, and associated goodwill to the VIP-filed trademark applications.”

The full text of Valiant Entertainment’s announcement follows…

“VALIANT IP FIGHT OVER”

Press Release


New York, NY, December 28, 2007 - The trademark intellectual property fight between Valiant Entertainment and Valiant Intellectual Properties that has continued for two years in the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board and in Federal Court is now over with Valiant Entertainment owning all Valiant-related trademarks, including Valiant Intellectual Properties-filed trademark applications.

The conflict began soon after Valiant Entertainment acquired all rights to the Valiant Comics library of characters from videogame publisher Acclaim Entertainment’s estate in June 2005. It was discovered that during the sale to Valiant Entertainment a newly formed company called Valiant Intellectual Properties LLC (VIP) had filed intent-to-use trademark applications for certain Valiant-related trademarks that were owned but not correctly renewed by Acclaim’s estate. These Valiant-related intent-to-use trademark applications included Valiant, Harbinger, Eternal Warrior, Rai and the Future Force, Quantum & Woody, Outcast, Dr. Mirage, The Visitor, Ninjak, Deathmate, Bloodshot, Punx, and Secret Weapons.

Valiant Entertainment filed oppositions to these VIP-filed trademark applications in the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. However, the process can take years to reach fruition and prevented the distribution by Diamond Comics Distributors of Valiant Entertainment’s highly-anticipated Harbinger: The Beginning hardcover collection featuring a new story by Jim Shooter. The hardcover collection was subsequently distributed by Valiant Entertainment directly to retailers.

During this time, VIP released an ashcan at the 2007 San Diego Comic-Con containing recognizable Valiant trademarks, such as Harbinger and Eternal Warrior, alongside completely unrecognizable character sketches. Despite trying to circumvent Valiant Entertainment’s copyrights, VIP’s attempted use of Valiant-related trademarks in an effort to strengthen their applications enabled Valiant Entertainment to file a lawsuit on August 29 against VIP in the Southern District of New York Federal Court for trademark infringement, unfair competition, false designation of origin, false description, and false representation. Last month, a settlement agreement was reached between the parties.

“The lawsuit Valiant Entertainment filed to protects its intellectual property against VIP LLC has been resolved to Valiant Entertainment’s satisfaction. Valiant Entertainment owns all copyrights and trademarks to the Valiant and Acclaim characters, including all right, title, interest, and associated goodwill to the VIP-filed trademark applications,” said Jason Kothari, CEO of Valiant Entertainment.

He added, “I would like to thank the loyal Valiant fans for their continued support and Blank Rome LLP for their outstanding work.”

Valiant Entertainment’s HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING hardcover collection featuring a new “Origin of Harada” story by comics’ legend Jim Shooter is being resolicited in the February 2008 issue of Diamond’s Previews.

Valiant Entertainment’s X-O MANOWAR: BIRTH hardcover collection featuring a new “The Rise of Lydia” story by Valiant co-architect Bob Layton and a new cover by Sean Chen is being solicited in the February 2008 issue of Diamond’s Previews and will be in stores in April 2008.

About Valiant Entertainment

Valiant Entertainment is a character-based entertainment company that owns and manages some of the most popular comic characters ever created across all media, including feature films, television, video games, new media, publishing, and consumer products. Since their creation in 1990, Valiant characters have sold 80 million comic books, 8 million video games, and Valiant became one of the three leading comic character-based companies globally. In addition, the “Valiant characters are often called the most important characters created since the Marvel revolution of the 1960s” (Sequart, 2006). VALIANT™ characters include X-O MANOWAR®, BLOODSHOT®, HARBINGER™, ETERNAL WARRIOR™, DOCTOR MIRAGE™, NINJAK™, SHADOWMAN®, RAI™, and QUANTUM & WOODY™, among many others. Visit ValiantEntertainment.com for more information.

Reached for comment to this announcement via their attorney Michael Lovitz, Valiant Intellectual Propeties, LLC issued Newsarama the following statement:

"The dispute has been settled to the satisfaction of both parties. We would like to thank Michael Lovitz of Connolly Bove Lodge & Hutz and Tim Pecsenye of Blank Rome for their work in finalizing this settlement. We wish VE good luck in their endeavors."

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He returned to Acclaim for a brief stint in 1999 to write Unity 2000 (an attempt to combine and revitalize the older and newer Valiant universes) but Acclaim folded after the completion of only three of the planned six issues.


From what I remember hearing, the other issues weren't completed because Shooter refused to finish them until Acclaim paid him for the first three.


Yeah...but you can read the Unity 2000script in its entirety at Valiantcomics.com (its a PDF, but yu can get Adobe Reader on the page if you don't have it)


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