RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events The Third and Final Presidential Debate 10/15/08

I hope McCain forces him to expose the truth about his joke of a tax plan. How most Americans will suffer under his tax plan. The Ayers stuff is fine people need to know he has shitty judgement but the tax stuff is more important.

On the Ayers stuff someone on Fox News gave a good way for him to bring it up and defuse the potential comeback by saying something like, "When I first got to the Senate I made a bad judgement call regarding Chrales Keating. I made a big mistake getting involved with him and I not only learned my lesson but I was very forthcoming with all investigations that followed. I also learned to never associate myself with bad people ever again and I made a career of fighting people like Keating ever since. You however Senator Hussein, have time and time again surrounded yourself with bad people, questionable people, and America haters. Not only have you never learned a lesson from your bad decisions.....you keep making them."

He should also talk about the fact that more than likely we are headed into a recession that might last awhile. He should note that the last 2 times the economy was like this and the Government raised taxes on corporations was Hoover which led to the Depression and Carter which led to the worst Stagflation this country has ever seen. Stagflation is when you have no growth at all but everything costs more because of inflation. That is where we will be headed with Hussein the Shit Stain.

I agree that McCain needs to get tough with Barack on the issues and not the Ayers stuff. Save that shit for the ads or stump speeches. And he needs to be specific. Obama's weak point is that he can't really talk in specifics.

That's exactly what he should do on this topic. But he should also mention Wright and ACORN when he does it.

He also need to appeal to dems and independents who are undecided by saying," you all know me and my record....this guy has no record at alland you don't know him at all... and what little record he does have is disturbing. He is not your typical democrat. All Obama is is a very good actor reading a script that is being fed to you by hollywood and liberal media. He is so far to the left he will send this country so far back with his wealth redistribution policies it may take decades to recover."

I watched PBS's special on both Barack and McCain last night. I laughed out loud thinking about how Barack had said that he'd never heard Wright's racist comments when the narrator of the special said that Obama had researched and studied every church in his area and their pastors before making his decision to join Trinity.

Glenn Beck did a funny bit this morning on the radio it was, basically, that Obama must be the unluckiest man in the America. Every time he makes a new friend that friend turns out either be a criminal, someone who hates America, or both and "poor" Barack never saw it coming.

Heh.

glenn beck is hilarious.

Yeah, but I sort of feel sorry for the guy, what with the fact he'll be one of the first to be publicly executed under the new regime, right behind Limbaugh and Hannity.

and that kid from Joey.

Obama is a used car salesman.

McCain is coming across as a real guy with real feelings, while Obama is coming across as a programmed computer which occasionally is getting power interruptions.

Not that it really matters at this point. The center-left media already sold this election to Obama.

By the way, did anyone else notice Obama saying "I can handle criticism for the next three weeks." After that he'll start instituting the fairness doctrine and other censorship so he never has to hear criticism again.

Um, that wasn't a joke, P.

Um, Praise Allah?

"Senator Government" is a great name for Obama.

that was pretty funny.

Watch the leftists try to claim that's a badge of honor.

Hey! You stole my line!

Overall, John McCain was much stronger tonight than in the earlier debates. Obama spent much more time on the defensive, and he didn't do particularly well.

Of course, the center-left media will now swoop in to tell us that it doesn't matter and that Obama is still the winner.

its cause hes black...

Every McCain answer starts with an attack on Obama. Every one. He sounds angry and really frustrated. There is such a stark difference between these candidates. One has a vision...and one really is a cranky old man who can only look backwards.

um every Hussein answer started with the past 8 years.

By "vision", whomod means that Obama believes in Stalin's five year plan.

dont worry dear. you'll be my favorite love slave in the new amerika

I could always go with the inevitable liberal whine of moving to Canada...

Besides, I'm asking to be shipped to a camp in Colorado...

well im not sure what you'll be doing there since uschi will be one my other ones...

The problem with whining about moving to Canada is that it's already a failed semi-socialist state being taken over by censorship and Muslims.

Except for Quebec, of course, which is the only place on earth the French successfully conquered.

I thought Obama won this one. McCain needed to go the attack route for this to help him but while I'm sure the voters in his camp cheered every attack, who he really needed to reach were those closer to the middle. I don't think he looked presidential tonight.

The "Partisans" v "Neutrals" on CNN...I'm looking at the line-up and not quite getting it. They start with the "partisan" desk, then go to the "neutral" desk. But the neutral desk has David Gergen and Campbell Brown.

Really? How's THAT work?

Gee. Never saw that coming.

yeah and the partisan republican hates mccain since mccain put him out of work. That Greek faggot used to be Romney's chief strategist.

This response is highly biased and emotionally driven. You have been warned.

A year ago I had no idea who I'd support more in this year's election. The more time passes, the more I support Obama/Biden and am against McCain/Palin. Tonight's debate is aggravating. Obama is making points, statements, arguments. McCain is (literally) pointing fingers, blaming, ignoring questions and making speeches and accusations. Where is he telling us WHAT he will do? It comes off as buzzwords, special phrases that prick up the ears of lazy republicans "NO TAXES!" "SPENDING FREEZE!" "JOE THE PLUMBER!" He's a sound-bite robot!

I support Obama because, well, I'm working class. My sister's daughter was kicked off indigent care because of Bush's medicaid cut. My sister had to cut her income to be able to get immunizations for her daughter. And we have it good, compared to most of the people we work with. Obama seems to be thinking long-term, past the next four years, past the next eight years. McCain seems to be thinking about only the next three weeks. A tax credit for companies that hire in America, to keep jobs from going overseas. I like his health care plans. I like his ideas for college dollar credit given to students that volunteer for community service. I like his NATO ideas about refocusing on American commerce.

GOD! Anyone listening to Obama (I'm looking at YOU, McCain) would understand that he ISN'T fucking over every American small business owner! Maybe a few Joe the Plumbers get the shit end, but the MAJORITY of America, the people that make 20-30k a year, the people that struggle, US, people kicked out of hospitals because they can't afford health coverage... what about us? LISTEN, OLD BASTARD! Just 'cause we're busy *working* and not turning out for your rallies, does NOT mean we don't matter. Presidents are supposed to represent the people. Not the people that agree with them, not the people that talk to them in person, but ALL the people.

I dom't like McCain very much, not the way he presents himself. I don't want that man representing me to the world. He accuses. I've noticed a trend in the Obama/Biden side of the debates -- they let the more benign accusations stand, and then, after McCain/Palin harp on the issue, eventually address it and have very solid reasoning behind it. For example, Obama voting "present" on the Bill for requiring life-saving care to newborns/failed abortions. And he explained very well just now - the Bill had no stipulation of exception for if the mother's life was endangered. It would be a violation of her constitutional rights. I support that kind of level-headed decision making. I like that Obama waits until the other candidate forces the issue and then offers a thought-out, logical response. McCain is so knee-jerk in his responses. If he can't handle something, he twists the words around into something unrecognizable. Like when Obama, upon prompting (from the moderator and McCain), mentioned the comments from the crowd at one of Palin's rallies, those being "Terrorist" and "Kill Him!" in reference to Senator Obama. McCain was saying how hurt he was about this third party associating the behavior with the Civil Rights era in America. He was hurt and offended. It reminded me of a time on break, outside of work, when a nutty old drunk man wandered up to my gal Kim and called her the n-word. Then he turned to another co-worker, Tim, and called him a n____-lover. Tim got angry, jumped out of his seat and yelled back, "HOW DARE YOU CALL ME THAT!" Kim, his co-worker, the woman he had been working with for over a year, got called a racial slur and he didn't care until he was "guilty by association." That's what McCain reminds me of in this debate.

Now, Obama's ideas about reforming education are critical. He supports a charter system. He recognizes that the American School System is failing, and recognizes that there must be a real change or the future of America is in the shitter. Education is power, education leads to knowledge and wisdom. McCain also supports school of choice. Obama stresses community service and the importance of parents. McCain is promoting more of the same, regarding college. Personally, I think there ought to be a severe shrinkage of the Teachers' Unions. Charter schools are, IMO, the strongest solution. If schools have to perform to succeed, the bad ones will close. The bad, lazy teachers will be fired. The schools that just graduate uneducated kids... they're going to lose their students to better schools. These rewards McCain crows about, they are NOTHING without holding the bad ones accountable as well.

Palin frightens me a bit. The people she's rialed up frighten me. I thought I could pretend those people didn't exist here. She frightens me and in a way I think she gives strong women a bad name. She's a bit of an idiot. Flighty. IMO.

As prompted by the moderator, the debates can be found online here:
http://www.mydebates.org

Considering that I called the other debates between Obama & McCain ties I suppose you didn't.

Your usual partisan remarks on the other hand I did see coming

So, basically your reasons for supporting Obama come down to you believing his sound bites, even if they've already been proven false.

well Uschi I repsect how you feel but Me and Joe the Plumber are going to have to lay people off because of Obama. The economy is going to suffer terribly and there will be probably many years of stagflation where everything is going to cost a heck of alot more than it does now but no growth in income for everybody.

I don't respect how she feels. I might understand it, given her age and the fact that most people are being fooled by the center-left spin machine, but I can't respect it. Uschi is an intelligent person and she should be able to see through that crap. Some of it is really nonsensical.