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#157831 2001-05-24 7:01 AM
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Actually He floated because of his belt, or rather because of the Nth Metal which used to be situated in his belt). The wings gave him directional control.
Without his wings he'd just float up into space, I think.

The New Hawkman (and Hawkgirl) has Nth metal in the wings themselves (The "Bone" structure) and their boots.

No Belt for the Hawkie People, other than to hold up their pants.

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intriguing...

well, thats a DEFINITE improvement. enuf to keep me interested? ...mebbe... doubtful, but, mebbe.


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I haven't been able to buy the book yet but if the utterings on the JSA board at the DC Boards are ant indication the return was everything we could have hoped for!

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now thats a depressing thought!

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Cheer up, Rob! I leave now to go purchase said book a week and a half earlier than I anticipated! I'll be back to get in your face about how great Hawkman is very soon!

#157836 2001-06-07 5:18 AM
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I read the Batman Beyond book with the JLA in it and the JSA book with Hawkman and I must say we must agree to disagree, Robbie. Warhawk was a cliche with attitude and Hawkman was spectacular. That's okay though. To each his own. If we all had similar tastes this would be a very boring world.

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What was with that Batman Beyond #22 anyway?
Did I miss an issue? When Terry joined the JLU?

As for Hawkman Returns Part 2...
Right on LLance-
Hawkman is the king! (well I think a damn sight more of him now than I ever did).
Now he flies around whacking people with a spikey gauntlet and kicking them with his spikey toes - which are good spikey, not bad overdone Warhawk spikey.
That spikey gauntlet kicks ar*e over Warhawks "armour".
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I like this new guy!

He likes spikes!

Coincidence? I don't think so!


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well, as promised, i read the second half of that jsa storyline... the return of hawkman. this book was certainly better than the first, ill say that much. and, i DEFINITELY like the fact that he can fly with his wings!! certainly a bonus.

did i like the comic? no. will i read its conclusion (?) next issue? yeah. do i like hawkman? no. still seems lame to me. perhaps not AS lame, but lame, none the less. however, ill cotninue to give y'all the benefit of the doubt and read on.

as for warhawk... i never said he should replace hawkman, or that he was great character, etc, etc... i just feel that he's an improvement, because, he's, atleast, an attempt to update a character who sorely needs that sorta facelift.


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I'm not sure if I've mentioned this already, but the best part of JSA #24, IMO, is Me!

Page 19, Panel one, the top of the third column on the left is my name (Xyzandra, in case you've forgotten) written in Thangarian - aka Hawkman code on the Jr JSA codewheel from the 40's

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Rob,
I still don't quite see what you find lame about Hawkman - or more to the point - what you define "lame"- to maybe further discern why you consider WhoreSquawk err.. sorry WarHawk - a "facelift", and not a 2D image rekit with shoulderpads. Much respect for Messrs. Timm & Dini - love their work, but really - does Batman need a facelift? Did you like Azrael Batman Rob? How About Electric Superman. Timm & Dini do their best work distilling a character to their pure essence, focusing on their classic qualities and showing how timeless those are. They sort of skipped that with Hawkman. Hawkman's creative roots are in mythology (like WWoman), unlike Batman(mystery) and Superman(scifi)(both of which Dini & Timm exploit to great effect in their stories) and Goyer & Robinson have done a great job of reinvigorating a character that sort of lost it's way in the race to be relevant in the late 80's.
Why am I bothering - Rob doesn't REALLY like any characters except for Uncle Batman.

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fair enuf, mistah danger, ill respond;

first off, again, im not saying warhawk was some incredibly designed character, or anything. in fact, i introduced his idea into this thread way back when as an image-like character (their stereotyped character -- a cheap thrill, all blood and gore, with spikes... grr!).

what i DO like about the character was that it was an ATTEMPT! a throwback for traditional fans (who, before this recent jsa storyline, hadn't had a hawk-character for quite a few years) and a great way for new fans to find appeal in a new character.

thats all!

did i like azbat? i thought some parts of were cool, but, he's DEFINITELY second rate to the original. did i like electro supes? same thing. but those characters were replacements, not face lifts (i exclude warhawk from that catagorization because he wasnt replacing anything, hawkman wasnt around).

replacements, im against. im ALL for updates, tho!

examples: (same ones i've mentioned before). NML was a COMPLETE breath of fresh air to batman, specifically gale and rucka's work. the character didnt' get a new costume (really) or a new personality, or a new sidekick, etc, etc... he was just updated. much like timm and dini did, as you pointed out. they took what was cool about the character, and just brought it up to times, making it popular to today's readers, without disappointing yesterday's.

same thing with loeb/mcguinness' superman (tho on a much more impressive scale). superman was crap -- for years! altho he was the first and/or the best comic book super character ever, his book was consistantly horrible, reflected in sales that, sometimes, even dropped below the top 75/100. thats pretty bad. and, its all because no one really cared. the stories weren't interesting, the art work was horrible, the character was dated. but, along comes a hot new artist and a fantasically good author, and, bam! y'got yerself a brand new superman! he's still blue, red, and yellow, still the biggest boy scout, still lvoes lois, hell, he even had a super dog best friend! however, he was completely updated to meet today's standards, without losing yesterday's.

and, perhaps, the best example is green arrow. who the hell liked green arrow? he was a relatively obscure character, that everyone sorta knew, but no one could really call a favorite (id group him along with hawkman). he's an admitted second, or perhaps even third rate/tier character, who was dated, perhaps, to even before the 70s.

now, along comes this new book, and... im completely hooked! along with millions (literally) of other comic book fans, bringing ga's sales up to the top 10 for, dare i say, the first time ever.

but, again, nothing was really changed about the character. he's still sorta rootin tootin, he's still green, he still has all those crazy arrows, ... same guy. but all it took was a tweak here and there, to bring him up to code.

i do NOT get that same feeling with hawkman. definite improvement in losing the flight belt, but the character still sorta looks and feels outdated. perhaps an updated suit, or personality, or storyline... something, anything...

im not suggesting he get laser guns, or fire wings, or change his name to warhawk, etc... but i find it a great injustice, to both the character and comics in general, to, seemingly, specificially exclude today's audience, just to please yesterday's. yes, everyone deserves a favorite character, somewhat-custom fit to their likes and wants -- but, my beef, is that there's no reason they couldnt broaden his appeal.


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someone summarize please.

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character revamp = good
character update = good
character redo = bad

new green arrow = good
new batman = good
new superman = good
new hawkman = bad


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