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In fact, it turns out that approximately forty percent of Democrats voted against the bill.
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster.
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Like fascism, it's not politics when WE do it.
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how many times do i have to beat my wife to get some respect around here?
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I hope she does end up filing for that restraining order by election day. 
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he'll be so pissed when he finds out she's voting for McCain....
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Seems even God has a sense of humor. This was the Capitol building yesterday as lawmakers worked on the bailout negotiations. 
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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Bill Ayers thanks you for the recon picture.
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now he's a leg up on his next college prank!
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Now, to be fair, Obama was only eight years old when Ayers tried to murder all those people.
Who among us hasn't befriended a famous terrorist from our childhood?
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster. In fact, more Democrats (95) voted against the bill than Republicans (65).
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Now, to be fair, Obama was only eight years old when Ayers tried to murder all those people.
Who among us hasn't befriended a famous terrorist from our childhood? I'm pretty sure the croatian guy three houses down made ied's in his spare time. the dominicans next door seemed pretty cool until the dea boarded up their house and had them deported.
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if I ever get into politics I'd hope Theodore Kaczynski would do me the honor of launching my politcal career in his home.....
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster. In fact, more Democrats (95) voted against the bill than Republicans (65). geez, do you suppose whomod will accuse the Dems of playing politics, or was he only saying that because he thought it was Republicans? I'm sure he is upset at the Dems now, he wouldnt change position based on party affiliation would he?
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster. In fact, more Democrats (95) voted against the bill than Republicans (65). geez, do you suppose whomod will accuse the Dems of playing politics, or was he only saying that because he thought it was Republicans? I'm sure he is upset at the Dems now, he wouldnt change position based on party affiliation would he? inconceivable!
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if I ever get into politics I'd hope Theodore Kaczynski would do me the honor of launching my politcal career in his home..... Me, I'm hoping for that Squeaky Fromme endorsement. I was only eleven when she tried to kill President Ford.
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i didnt even know they did Frat pranks back then!
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster. In fact, more Democrats (95) voted against the bill than Republicans (65). to clarify, it's "more dems voted against the bill than reps (voted for the bill)" democrats 140 for the bill 95 against republicans: 65 for the bill 130 against still, its silly to blame republicans for voting against when so many dems agreed with them. democrats could have passed the bill themselves if they thought it was worthy. but, obviously, most in the room didn't as shown with over half of the total votes going against. rework it. make a new one. try again.
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Ah, I see what happened. My source had worded the vote thus: "The vote was bipartisan, with Democrats in favor by 140-95 and Republicans against by 133-65." I thought the latter number was the "no" vote in both cases. Still, as has been pointed out several times, by myself, Doc, BSAMS and Rob, the thing failed because both Democrats and Republicans voted agains the thing.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but...
If Hillary was smart, she'd go to McCain and the two of them would broker a compromise to get recalcitrant dems and republicans on board to a plan.
She's make Obama and Pelosi look small and position herself quite well for 2012. And, even if Obama gets elected in November, she'd have one helluva claim to Harry Reid's job.
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I was telling the same thing to my brother today. I bet her and Bill still have a surprise up their sleeve. They are 2 very pragmatic people and very powerful people. McCain would love to have them on his side.
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Bill would love to be inside Cindy McCain.
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I see the Dems are still playing politics in the face of economic disaster. In fact, more Democrats (95) voted against the bill than Republicans (65). to clarify, it's "more dems voted against the bill than reps (voted for the bill)" democrats 140 for the bill 95 against republicans: 65 for the bill 130 against still, its silly to blame republicans for voting against when so many dems agreed with them. democrats could have passed the bill themselves if they thought it was worthy. but, obviously, most in the room didn't as shown with over half of the total votes going against. rework it. make a new one. try again. From what I gather it was 13 republicans who said they would vote for it changing their mind when it was time to vote. I'm curious why they would yank their support like that.
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From what I gather it was 13 republicans who said they would vote for it changing their mind when it was time to vote. I'm curious why they would yank their support like that.
Besides the fact that their switchboards were flooded with constituents opposed to the bailout? But let's not obscure the fact that, if 40% of the Democrats hadn't voted no, the question of thirteen Republicans wouldn't be an issue. This was defeat was bipartisan. Both democrats and republicans opposed it.
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From what I gather it was 13 republicans who said they would vote for it changing their mind when it was time to vote. I'm curious why they would yank their support like that.
Besides the fact that their switchboards were flooded with constituents opposed to the bailout? But let's not obscure the fact that, if 40% of the Democrats hadn't voted no, the question of thirteen Republicans wouldn't be an issue. This was defeat was bipartisan. Both democrats and republicans opposed it. Let's be clear though G-man. It's true that you can say the defeat was bipartisan but way more democrats were willing to support an unpopular president who isn't even from their party for a bill that isn't going to be popular with their constituents. They had further to go to vote for that bill then the GOP & I think they did that because to a large extent they believe it's going to be just that bad if they don't get it done.
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Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama were all supporting the bill. The Democrats who voted for it were supporting those three, not Bush.
Furthermore, even if we assume you are correct-that voting for the bill was sort of act of political courage and voting against it an act of cowardice-then you've just alleged that forty percent of your own party in congress are cowards.
You can twist this any way you like but, logically and factually, it's a bipartisan vote.
Finally, are we really sure that defeat of the bill was so bad? When parties as diverse as Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Kucinich and Michael Moore all think something's bad for America why should we be so quick to assume it was a good idea in the first place?
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Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama were all supporting the bill. The Democrats who voted for it were supporting those three, not Bush.
Furthermore, even if we assume you are correct-that voting for the bill was sort of act of political courage and voting against it an act of cowardice-then you've just alleged that forty percent of your own party in congress are cowards.
You can twist this any way you like but, logically and factually, it's a bipartisan vote.
Finally, are we really sure that defeat of the bill was so bad? When parties as diverse as Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Kucinich and Michael Moore all think something's bad for America why should we be so quick to assume it was a good idea in the first place? Err so do you believe everyone in your party put country first? Maybe that is where we're different. We both may be partisans but I know there are cowards as you put it in both parties. If they based their vote because they were afraid of affecting their re-election bids, their cowards no matter what party they belong to. And for those GOPs that say they switched their vote because they didn't like Pelosi's speach, hope that bit of pettiness was worth it for them.
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Or, maybe, people on both sides saw the bailout as a bad deal and voted against it for what they viewed as the good of the country.
As I said before, I'm not so sure the bill as written the right way to go.
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I have never seen the 100 page bill, I'm assuming at 100 pages there was a lot of BS in it. You dont get out of a crises by putting more shit in the fire.
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Am I the only guy that is actually happy the bailout failed?
The last thing we need to do is pretend we have 700 billion dollars to bail out the banking/credit industry. Fuck 'em. They made their bed. Now, let them lie in it.
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