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I did like the part with Nick Fury after the credits.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
I think the reason why Watchmen was considered un-filmable in the form the comic was is very evident in this movie. The Rorschach psychiatric sequences, the history of the characters ect needed fleshing out and in film time that's impossible unless you do a trilogy, or at least a part 1 and 2. and with the story telling technique of filling in the blanks that Moore used I don't believe people would have hung around for a sequel. thats why i think i would have liked to have seen more interpretation that verbatim.



As others have noted, the best way to adapt the source material was a mini-series.

In a perfect world, WB would have told Snyder in effect "let's do an HBO-style version of 'Heroes' or 'Lost' with this."

Still, minor quibbles aside, it was an enjoyable film and probably as good a movie adaptation as we were going to get.

And, in fact, if some of the rumors are true, once Snyder adds in the extras for DVD it might be practically a mini-series.

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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
I did like the part with Nick Fury after the credits.


\:lol\:

...especially when he called the Comedian "Stark."

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I would have liked an episodic take since its a direct adaptation. I just would have preferred a new take.

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
I'm on the fence about seeing this.

I read the comic. I liked the comic. I certainly don't think it was the greatest comic of all time like most fanatics do. But I'm definitely willing to call it Alan Moore's Magnum Opus.

But My biggest problem with Watchmen has always been the fact that it's totally character driven; every time I read it, I always caught myself just drifting through the thought/speech bubbles just because I wanted to get to the next part that involved Rorschach rather than to immerse myself in the story. I might as well have just read The Question issues by Ditko. If it weren't for a few plot points of interest provided by the Comedian, I probably wouldn't have bothered buying the book.

In which case, the story's conclusion was just so ridiculous. What the Watchmen decide to do in the end makes sense according to their authoritative mentalities, which was Moore's point. But to say that they'd be given the opportunity to make such a decision based on what Ozymandias did is ludicrous. I mean, seriously: It wouldn't work. The world wouldn't just say, "Let's work together to thwart this mutual evil!"

If the movie's totally faithful, that means I'll just being seeing this same story played out on screen with beautiful visuals. I'm not sure if those visuals and the Rorschach segments will be worth ten bucks and 3 hours of my life.

It also makes me feel kind of dirty to go see it while knowing that the creator felt the rights to it were stolen from him. I mean, I'm not sure I agree with him, but it still feels weird to contribute to his misery.



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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
I would have liked an episodic take since its a direct adaptation. I just would have preferred a new take.


Maybe. One of the other problems with deviating too much from this particular source material is that, at its core, the source material was very, very derivative to begin with.

Moore was using take-offs on the Charleton heroes and, in some cases, generic superhero archetypes, to explore the whole genre.

It worked here (book/movie) because of what Moore did with that in the first place. However, given Moore's sources, if you stray too far from the book I have to wonder if you wouldn't just end up with "generic superhero movie."

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Well of course you could end up with that, but that's the risk of not just doing a strict adaptation, no risk, now reward, and I don't believe there is a reward with this picture.

I don't believe I've implied to throw out everything, but this movie was too much of a strict adaptation, the book was good but there are tons of places for improvement as with any work especially 20 years later and in another medium. The facts are nothing was either expanded upon or radically changed except the ending.

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You could be right. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion so much as speculating on the adaptability of the source material and what's necessary to make an adaptation in this case.

Hey, look at this way: with Hollywood's propensity for remakes, in another twenty years maybe they'll try again.

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Maybe if it does well enough they could make an animated 12 part HBO series in a style similar to Spawn. None of that motion comic shit, though. Fuck that.

I agree with basams, I think if they'd taken some risks the appeal of the movie could have been universal. It's not a bad movie, but it feels a lot like they're preaching to the choir. That's why I was excited when the project was in the hands of guys like Darren Aronofsky or Paul Greengrass (and Terry Gilliam before that), who know and love the comic but have such uniques styles that they couldn't help tweaking things.


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MEM's over in the political forum, arguing that Watchmen was intended as a rape fantasy.

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As far as the rape scene goes, I dont actually see that it happened in the movie.
I dont even think Comedian got his dick out of his pants before Hooded Justice beat the shit out of him.

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In the directors cut, rob jumps in the way and takes it.

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http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/watchmen-rush-l.html

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'Watchmen': Why Rush Limbaugh isn't gonna like it

The biggest laugh Watchmen got at the sold-out, 9 a.m., IMAX suburban-theater show I went to on Saturday occurred [SOMETHING OF A SPOILER ALERT HERE -- LOOK AWAY IF YOU MUST!] when the Lee Iacocca-businessman-figure said, "Free is just another word for socialist." It was the happily derisive laugh of a crowd that was totally into the movie, and which also seemed well aware of the recent effort to label the Obama stimulus package as "socialist" -- and the audience clearly thought the use of that supposedly-inflammatory word was a joke.



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 Originally Posted By: Joey From Friends

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'Watchmen': Why Rush Limbaugh isn't gonna like it

The biggest laugh Watchmen got at the sold-out, 9 a.m., IMAX suburban-theater show I went to on Saturday occurred [SOMETHING OF A SPOILER ALERT HERE -- LOOK AWAY IF YOU MUST!] when the Lee Iacocca-businessman-figure said, "Free is just another word for socialist." It was the happily derisive laugh of a crowd that was totally into the movie, and which also seemed well aware of the recent effort to label the Obama stimulus package as "socialist" -- and the audience clearly thought the use of that supposedly-inflammatory word was a joke.



So wait a sec: Does it say they were laughing at how it sounds like it's referring to Obama (supposedly), or how it's referring to people using the word "socialist" in regards to Obama (supposedly)?

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As far as the rape scene goes, I dont actually see that it happened in the movie.
I dont even think Comedian got his dick out of his pants before Hooded Justice beat the shit out of him.



Then how did Snyder say Silk Spectre was conceived?

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Laurie wasn't conceived during the rape (either in the book or the movie). She was conceived about ten years (or more) thereafter, when Sally and Eddie had an affair.

That's part of the reason (I think) MEM believes the book to be Moore's rape fantasy. Because Sally "forgave" Eddie and had a consensual relationship afterwards.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
MEM's over in the political forum, arguing that Watchmen was intended as a rape fantasy.


I don't think Watchmen was intended to be a rape fantasy. That was something you brought up.


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MEM's over in the political forum, arguing that Watchmen was intended as a rape fantasy.


I don't think Watchmen was intended to be a rape fantasy. That was something you brought up.




Have the courage of your convictions, MEM.

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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
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http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/watchmen-rush-l.html

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'Watchmen': Why Rush Limbaugh isn't gonna like it

The biggest laugh Watchmen got at the sold-out, 9 a.m., IMAX suburban-theater show I went to on Saturday occurred [SOMETHING OF A SPOILER ALERT HERE -- LOOK AWAY IF YOU MUST!] when the Lee Iacocca-businessman-figure said, "Free is just another word for socialist." It was the happily derisive laugh of a crowd that was totally into the movie, and which also seemed well aware of the recent effort to label the Obama stimulus package as "socialist" -- and the audience clearly thought the use of that supposedly-inflammatory word was a joke.



So wait a sec: Does it say they were laughing at how it sounds like it's referring to Obama (supposedly), or how it's referring to people using the word "socialist" in regards to Obama (supposedly)?



Do they realize Veidt waste bad guy? Tat would make Iacocca one of the good guys. So wile they were laughing they were actually supporting te bad guy again.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man of Zur-En-Arrh
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I don't think Watchmen was intended to be a rape fantasy. That was something you brought up.




Have the courage of your convictions, MEM.


So you see yourself as not the one who first brought up and presented the Watchmen as a rape fantasy?


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 Originally Posted By: BASAMS The Plumber
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http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/watchmen-rush-l.html

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'Watchmen': Why Rush Limbaugh isn't gonna like it

The biggest laugh Watchmen got at the sold-out, 9 a.m., IMAX suburban-theater show I went to on Saturday occurred [SOMETHING OF A SPOILER ALERT HERE -- LOOK AWAY IF YOU MUST!] when the Lee Iacocca-businessman-figure said, "Free is just another word for socialist." It was the happily derisive laugh of a crowd that was totally into the movie, and which also seemed well aware of the recent effort to label the Obama stimulus package as "socialist" -- and the audience clearly thought the use of that supposedly-inflammatory word was a joke.



So wait a sec: Does it say they were laughing at how it sounds like it's referring to Obama (supposedly), or how it's referring to people using the word "socialist" in regards to Obama (supposedly)?



Do they realize Veidt waste bad guy? Tat would make Iacocca one of the good guys. So wile they were laughing they were actually supporting te bad guy again.


They're probably Obama voters. Those people seem to have a real problem figuring when the "good guy" is really going to get us all killed.

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http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/watchmen-conquers-box-office-with-557-million-ap
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"Watchmen " clocked in with $55.7 million in ticket sales to claim the top spot at the box office, making director Zack Snyder 's comic book adaptation about a team of twisted superheros the biggest opening of 2009 so far.

Still, it was not quite as big as the $70 million take of Snyder's "300" in 2007.

Dan Fellman, head of distribution for "Watchmen" studio Warner Bros ., said it was unfair to compare the two films.

"They're two different movies," Fellman said Sunday. "This is a movie that runs two hours and 45 minutes. That really only leaves the exhibitor with one showing a night. If you have an 8 o'clock show, the next show is at midnight. So with essentially one show a night, I think this is outstanding."

Fans of the subversive comic book series by writer Alan Moore and illustrator Dave Gibbons waited years for Snyder's big-screen version. The anticipation was complicated last year when Warner Bros. and 20th Century Fox fought over who owned rights to the $125 million film. The studios eventually settled in January, keeping the March 6 opening intact.

Many "Watchmen" enthusiasts raced to IMAX theaters to see the exploits of Dr. Manhattan and company on the bigger screens. Greg Foster , chairman and president of IMAX Filmed Entertainment, said the movie sold out on all 124 IMAX screens it was playing on during the weekend and was the second largest opening in company history behind another superhero film, 2008's " The Dark Knight ."


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Let me say this about the penis...If I were hung like that, I'd walk around naked with a picture frame stapled to my thighs and a sign pointed to it saying, "Rides are free"


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 Originally Posted By: Black Machismo
Let me say this about the penis...If I were hung like that, I'd walk around naked with a picture frame stapled to my thighs and a sign pointed to it saying, "Rides are free"

That's the only thing he remembers about the whole movie.


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It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
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and he's still not posting here.

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no major problems with it. as I've said for years, you can't effectively compress something like this into a two hour movie (running time: 2 hrs, 45 min., with a rumored 3 hour "ultimate" dvd release). mini series style is the way to go if you want a full, perfect adaptation.

it's as good as you'll likely get in this format.
spoilage a comin.








I actually prefer the film ending to the comic, as Adrien's plan to frame Manhattan fits using him as the scapegoat much better than an alien squid (which Moore just lifted from an Outer Limits episode anyway). nobody else noticed the device was called "S.Q.U.I.D."? heh. as for the plausibility of the countries uniting, it's not that plausible either way, so why worry about it? it's a flaw of the story overall, not just this version.

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knew going in that there was no way snyder (or anyone else, to be fair) was going to be able to cram in all the details of the graphic novel into a three- hour movie.

but i found myself very annoyed at the way the movie had to "explain itself." rather than following an arc from beginning to end, and getting an emotional response when you reach its resolution, you got it all at once in a way that made you not care at all.

i felt that the characters were for the most part woefully underdeveloped, and said things that they never would've said in the book for the sake of advancing the story.

and by changing the ending, the entire story changed.

some parts of it looked great (the opening sequence in particular), but for the most part it felt to me like watchmen for dummies. maybe i'd have liked it more were i not so familiar with the book. there are large chunks where the movie goes with the book, but when they leave the book version, they really fucking leave the book version.

sorry if this post meanders or doesn't make sense to you. i'm actually pretty shocked at how depressed i've been since i got out of the movie yesterday afternoon.


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Sikk swore he'd never watch the movie again. He's already looking at the listing for the next showing.


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Sikk swore he'd never watch the movie again. He's already looking at the listing for the next showing.


that would be a funny motivational poster if you used the watchmen movie pics.


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nobody else noticed the device was called "S.Q.U.I.D."? heh.



i caught it but by the time i tried to show my friend it was off screen already...


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I won't rape you, I'll just fuck you 'till it hurts and then not stop and you'll cry.

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In the same thread no less!

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Sikk swore he'd never watch the movie again. He's already looking at the listing for the next showing.


that would be a funny motivational poster if you used the watchmen movie pics.


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He deserves no less.


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http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/watchmen-conquers-box-office-with-557-million-ap
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"Watchmen " clocked in with $55.7 million in ticket sales to claim the top spot at the box office, making director Zack Snyder 's comic book adaptation about a team of twisted superheros the biggest opening of 2009 so far.

Still, it was not quite as big as the $70 million take of Snyder's "300" in 2007.

Dan Fellman, head of distribution for "Watchmen" studio Warner Bros ., said it was unfair to compare the two films.

"They're two different movies," Fellman said Sunday. "This is a movie that runs two hours and 45 minutes. That really only leaves the exhibitor with one showing a night. If you have an 8 o'clock show, the next show is at midnight. So with essentially one show a night, I think this is outstanding."




I wonder if WB will under report earnings as they must give Paramount or whoever the former rights holder was a percentage of the gate?

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Paramount and Fox. I'm sure the two of them, Fox especially, have their own auditors checking over the books to make sure they get their share. 'Creative bookkeeping' is a mainstay in Hollywood, so they'd know what to look for.


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