RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Media "Watchmen" movie coming soon!!

I'm as in love with my wife now, as the first time I forced myself on her.

The attempted rape scene reminds Snarf of what he wants Jermery to do to him!

Youre a throwback to better time.

By labelling it a "prequel".

You don't. But just because a sequel shouldn't happen doesn't mean that, if box office is big enough, it won't happen.

As mentioned above, I could have easily seen some sort of prequel (Watchmen origins?) or even sequel (Rorschach's journal starts the nuclear clock running again and its up to Dan and Laurie to stop it) if the film had scored DK or Iron Man level box office.

I don't think it would be that hard to do. It would be simple to carry on the next chapter in those people's lives. Alan Moore despite his wishing us to think otherwise isn't the be all end all of writers.

Yep. Look at the Terminator movies. Cameron intended that T2 would be the end of the series. However, eventually they decided that enough $ could be made from a sequel and we got T3 and a "loophole" to explain how another Terminator could be around after all.

Theres obviously a lot of ways it could be done, and even enable them to bring back characters like Rorschach and Comedian.
With all the stuff Manhattan is capable of, and with Adrians DNA work, they could easily say that the Rorschach that was killed was some kind of clone, or that Manhattan teleported him away and replaced him with a cadaver that he exploded.

Comedian could also be explained in similar ways.

Lets face it, Highlander should never have had sequels, but that never stopped them.

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Exactly. Also its not out of the realm of possibility that a sequel could be better either.

Guess we won't be seeing a thread entitled "It's official: Jeffrey Dean Morgan is 'stoked' for Watchmen 2" any time soon.

Even Gibbons has said that he would have loved to have done more Watchmen stuff, specifically prequel stuff.

Its never been considered as a project with sequel potential by most, but there is certainly scope for material from both before, and after.

Apart from the blue penis, I also noticed nipples on the outside

Well I figured you, of all people, would know...

Welcome back.

Whenever someone asks Snyder about a sequel, he's like "Oh no. D-Don't say that. They will kill you." Obviously they could just get another director, but I think Snyder is right: if the studio so much as mentions the possibility of a sequel, 87% of all comic fans around the world will grab a sharp object and attempt to murder whoever is announced as the director.

But they would then have to go outside, and interact with people.
That would never happen!

I was thinking... another plus for Marvel's movie strategy is that if they make an Avengers film that includes the Hulk and it's a hit, it could spark a renewed interest in his own film, since it includes a couple of minor plot points that tie into the larger story (the Tony Stark scene and Cap's cameo).

I'm not sure if someone like this could work for DC's characters, tho.

the downfall of this film was catering exclusively to the comic book fans. of course with the box office take this film is getting there is no chance of a sequel.

The movie was a huge risk box office wise. Not to mention the uncomicbookiness of the story, but having a near three hour movie with an R rating is a tough sell. An R movie cuts your audience. You'd need a much shorter movie to increase the number of showings you can have to boost your take.

I dunno about that, neither the Punisher or the first Hulk film were raging successes, didnt stop them gettin sequels!

Ditto for Swamp Thing!

Saw it. It was good.

A couple problems though:

* I miss the riot scene. Obviously it wouldn't fit in the movie, but I just miss it.

* The Comedian's philosophy wasn't covered as well as it should have been. Just having him say, "It's all a big joke," doesn't cut it. Mason's excerpt from Under the Hood about his uncle's cheating wife should have been briefly included to help complement The Comedian's point. I never really figured out whether or not it was meant to do so, but it always did on some level anyway.

* While it was still ridiculous to assume that the world would band together after what happened, I have to admit that using Dr. Manhattan to pull off the hoax was definitely more believable since the world already knew him and feared him to begin with.

* The changes to the ending created a terrible disparity between the movie and the point of the book. Nite Owl and Silk Specter's noticeable reluctance to go along with Veidt's plan in the end was the most tangential element in the film. In the book, they eventually felt that Veidt did the right thing, thus best expressing the irony behind their motives as heroes since their complicity with Veidt and Dr. Manhattan was inherently authoritative. With the movie demonstrating them as being almost as stalwart as Rorschach, the point in regards to their costume-based above-the-law mentalities is lost--or at least not as pronounced.


I agree with you guys that the interrogation scene felt tacked on, but hell, I still enjoyed it.


They handled the rape scene pretty well too. I loved the surprised look on her face when Hooded Justice just walked into the room. Of course, without the Under the Hood excerpt about the erotic undertones of costumes it wasn't contextualized very well, but...Hell, you could tell she wanted it.

Also, I am extremely glad they didn't skip out on Rorschach's revenge at the very end. I was afraid they were gonna let that part go, but luckily they kept it.

Like G-man, as someone who appreciates Watchmen as a work of literature, I'm not especially bothered by this particularly knowing the film is very faithful to the comic. The very last page is intended to avoid a sequel - randomness will prevail and a sequel destroys that randomness.

Prequels are unlikely to do the original material justice, either.

Otherwise, I suspect the movie might do very well as a DVD. The rating on it might have been a deterrant.

I actually liked the movie's version of Rorscharch snapping better than the comic one. Butchering the criminal with a kitchen knife is much more disturbing than watching him burn.

As a fan of literature, you should be able to recognize this is a movie.

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I'd totally disagree with this point.
I think the whole thing wit Rorschach journal could easily open things for a sequel of sorts!

Exactly. There are many possibilities for how the story could continue. There are also as you said opportunities for prequels with the Minutemen.

Are you saying that was the ending's intent or that-that's what could be intuited?

If it's the former, I disagree. I saw the ending as the superlative ending. It's basically Rorschach's revenge. He pissed in Veidt and Manhattan's coffee; the damage is done; we know there's gonna be a shit storm; the implied effect of the journal carries more literary weight than a full blown sequel that'll just feel tacked on.

Your confusing your feelings with reality man. No one has said a sequel is guaranteed goodness. But there are hundreds of possibilities. It would depend on the execution of the writer and director on whether it is any good of course.

My personal feeling is that Moore, despite the shit he will often spout, wrote a way for there to be a sequel, and I think that it hinges on the journal.

Its well known that "decent" writers will often write a get out clause in a lot of their stories in advance, for the potential of either a return of a deceased character or for sequel potential.
Marv Wolfman for instance, has said for years that he specifically wrote something in Crisis on infinite Earths that meant Barry Allen could return.

He has never stated what that get out of jail clause was, but he has pretty much said this since the start.

Moore being Moore would never admit such a thing, as planning a possible sequel would make him a "corporate whore" or some kinda shit like that.

I can almost guarantee that had there not been issues between him and DC, Moore would certainly have been asked to do a sequel, and he would more than likely have agreed!

i always thought of it as a "the book isn't closed" type thing. like, leaving the story without finality. i know that's very similar to saying left open for a sequel, but i think its moreso just not ending the story with the final page of the book. like the end of terminator two. ....which.... lead two at least two sequels and a tv show.

Thats kinda what I am saying.
Its written with the intent that if its not a success, then the story at least has and ending, but it does lead you to think "what might happen?", but at the same time it also gives you the possibility for a sequel.

The first Star Wars is a prime example of this as well.
Lucas and Fox knew that a sci-fi movie was a risk in 77, so the story had an end, but at the same time, the reason Vader was left alive was to make sure that if it were a hit, the sequel would certainly follow.

It was written with sequels in mind, but had an ending that at least gave you a degree of closure on the story if it ended up being a solo film!

Is it the reason why Snarf only had half a blowjob? Is there a possibility of a sequel?

Nah, cause his penis was a flop!

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I think even in early interviews, before leaving DC, Moore had said that he put the ending there so there wouldn't be a sequel. Whether that makes sense or not, he's always claimed that. I recall reading that by his own admission the only possibility for a "sequel" would be a comic based on the Minutemen, but even back then he didn't think that would happen. Oddly enough, in this interview (or maybe another from the same period) he mentions that the movie rights have been bought and you get the vibe that at the time he thought that was a good thing (though he doesn't specifically say so).

Back to the point: wasn't the whole reason they asked him not to use the Charlton heroes that the ending would leave them "unusable"? Not that there isn't always a way to force a sequel if they think it'll make money (see: 300), but still, that goes to show how definite the ending is perceived to be.

About Barry Allen: the loophole is very simple, he was jumping through time in Crisis before landing in the moment of his death. Wolfman's idea was that one of those time jumps could leave in the time period after the Crisis, so he would know that any minute now he would jump into the past and die. This would give him a more extreme attitude and would possibly lead him to carry big weapons, grow muscles, get a cybernetic arm and hang out with big breasted women.