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I liked his goofy demeanor but overall I think his run really demonstrated rtd's fuck you mentality. They were more interested in "making" Doctor Who a good show and not really respecting that it already was a good show just in need of an update.
Tennant doesn't get the credit he deserves for his run. Despite the problems with the Donna-year and the 2009 Specials (which is rtd's fault) he brought a lot of love and respect to the character that Eccleston did not.


Agreed. They look like goofy nerds but Eccleston looks like a footballer crying like a pussy.


It is what it is and is consistent throughout his series. I don't hate it but it's far from being my favorite. Though Moffet's two parter Empty Child/Doctor Dances are excellent and there are definitely a lot of good solid episodes.
But yeah it is what it is.

I really loved Father's Day, though. Not because of the doctor, but purely for the story.

You guys break my heart.

Eccleston is fucking awesome. He did what no other actor before him since Tom Baker had done: he created a new Doctor. Tennant just regurgitated bits and pieces of past actors. But, Eccles was the tormented, shell-shocked survivor of the Time War. He was born from the final devastation of his people, and was no longer sure of himself or who he was. His goofy demeanor is an obvious charade, as we consistently see the actual grief he is feeling.

I don't know. Maybe his departure is so welcome by me, because of all the other Doctors. He showed me something new and fun...

Pertwee is the action-hero of The Doctor's...

I'm not really good with analyzing actors and the characters they portray, but maybe that's why I don't like his doctor. Because the goofy side is just a charade (or the way I see it - the goofy side seems fake and forced). I see no conflict between his goofy side and his dark, tormented side. It's just all torment and stuff with a thin film of goofy shell.

Whereas the two other doctors are loveable because they seem so sincere when goofing off, making the dark aspects seem more jarring by comparison. When Smith does the "Nobody Human Says Anything to Me Today!" bit I felt like it's still real to me, damnit. Eccleston's angry schtick when Rose saved Pete is annoying and then forgettable.

I'm not agreeing with Nowhereman that Eccleston is a shit actor (maybe it's just that his heart's not into playing the doctor, I dunno), it's just that his doctor seems forced to me (I mean, compared to his predecessors and what little I've seen of Baker).

I like to see each Doctor as part of a whole influenced by the nature of the regeneration. It seems implied from Romana that a regeneration is a choice someone makes at a certain time for a certain reason. And then they pick a safe spot and regenerate and then take time to recover. Whereas the Doctor seems to literally die each time and then get thrown into an adventure with no time to adjust.
2 was a younger bouncier guy who was able to enjoy life after 1 aged into a cranky old man.
3 was probably the action hero because of the way 2 was forced to regenerate, he wanted to be strong.
4 was more alien and quirky as a reaction to the time stuck on earth.
5 was more friendly and emotionally vulnerable because of the length of time 4 had and the companions he'd made (he wanted to just enjoy life again).
6 was an erratic reaction to the poison that killed 5 or maybe just too smart for his own good. certainly i believe his douchey attitude was bitterness at having "died" to save peri.
7 was stable, controlling, and cunning perhaps as a reaction to the unbalanced nature of 6.
8 was young and strong as a reaction to the very agonizing and drawn out death 7 had while in a weakened state. also he was more "human" and emotionally open perhaps as a reaction to the manipulative way 7 became.
9 was a basketcase of emotions because of the trauma of losing his people and the war.
10 was made for rose. she had brought a sense of fun into his life and he was all giggles with her in series 2 but then displayed signs of depression in 3/4.

11 seems to have moved on and let go of his emotional baggage. there was a line in Eleventh Hour about being lucky he was the last. I think the End of Time and the way his people wanted to destroy everything to survive mixed with saying goodbye to everyone allowed him to be happy again without clinging to anyone. he's also clearly less interested in forming longterm bonds with humans, a lesson he learned from 10 and i noticed strongly in the way he pushed rory and amy together because he knew she'd have to leave and he was cool with that.

That's just my theory anyway. A way to make sense of the various actor's takes on the characters in a hindsight is 20/20 sort of way. But some of it makes sense and seems to be a subconscious reaction during the regeneration. Like how Romana picked her form, maybe the Doctor tries on some level to push who he'll become. But then certain aspects are always there: good guy/hero, explorer, etc.

Eccleston is a personality actor, in the sense that he plays slight variations on himself.
Tom Baker is the same. It's not a bad thing because they're colorful individuals so it's fun to watch them.

Tennant on the other hand is an excellent actor. I've seen him in a few things and he is like a chameleon in a role. He has a good command of his voice and a variety of accents. His audiobooks are a lot of fun because they feel like a full cast play but it's just him.

Of course I'm still watching. I got into it when Sci-Fi first aired it with Eccleston's Doctor. I follow it on BBCA here and so far it seems to be one episode or so behind the rest of you. I'm still liking it with the new Doctor and Amy. Ash will watch, but not all the time. It really depends on the episode with her. She did like the previous two parter with the Angels from Blink.

Some good Dead Ringers Tom Baker skits

His judo chops rival Roger Moores!

What about his HAIs!

You wait till you hear his venusian lullabies!

I'm not too good at analyzing either but what you are saying is my problem with Tennants Doctor, not Eccleston.

You mention somewhere else that Eccles looks quite normal, whereas I have to disagree - the cropped hair really accentuate his Jug ears and bugle!

Eccles clothing is completely original - a new look for the Doctor! Dad cool! Which is not cool.

Tennants retro suit is cool. His hair is cool. He, looks too normal.

The only other normal looking Doctor was the fifth but his normality is neutralised by what he is wearing.

Its cause he is a shit actor. [/quote]

Did you think he was shit in 28 days later and Shallow Grave?

Agreed!



WHAT!

I would tenant is the same as the above!

Did you see Cassanova?

I find his accents poor.

I think Tennants cack hammery will be perfect for the Frightnight remake!

Holy Shit SPOILERS ALERT


Pro called it. Or he haxxored the DW script to reflect his post.

Was originally let down with all the warships leaving because of the doctor's warning that the Pandorica is his (it's perfectly logical but come on, all that build up without even seeing them land?)

and then BAM! Daleks, cybermen, Sontarans, Judoon, Silurians and a lone sycorax without his helmet, and Pro was shit-right.

Boo-yah! I know my Doctor Who.

I mean, it's the logical kind of "twist" setup Moffat would go for. The Doctor is, of course, the most dangerous being in the universe. I loved seeing them all together like that! I did NOT see the Autons happening, though. THAT was awesome!

Also, did anyone notice how much calmer and cunning the Daleks are now? I'm thinking if they maintain that aspect, I'm going to love their new take (if not the new look...ugh!)


So.....how does he get out of this one?

it probably has something to do with the 11 year old Amy. I remember a scene in 11th hour's last parts where the young Amy was shown waiting until morning, and the sound of the tardis landing is heard and she smiles, before the scene cuts back to adult amy in bed.

That was a great episode, epic. If it were American then that would've been the finale, I'm just glad the UK shows don't like cliffhanger endings.
The fx was amazing, they didn't overuse any of the villains, and the idea of an alliance worked.
Moffat has proven himself to actually live up to the hype his one or two episodes per year has given him. It all came together perfectly from the opening with the crazy time travel elements to the Auton Romans. It was sad to see Rory return only to turn out to be part of the trap.
And I can't think of a single more terrifying moment than Roman soldiers dragging the Doctor into his box while all these monsters calmly watched.

Can't wait for next week. Any bets on who the "Silence will fall" mastermind is? I've heard Omega but who knows.

God, I hope it's not Omega. That would be stupid, and way out of left field.

I'm thinking/hoping it's the Valeyard/Dream Lord again. But, that voice in the TARDIS....why do I know it? It sounds familiar, but I can't place it. It's not Davros, unless they've recast. I'm thinking it has to be someone we already know, as they have to resolve it next week. Hmmm....

I have no strong feelings either way towards Omega, that's just the rumor I've heard. It's obviously someone time lord related, seeing as how they could operate the tardis from outside the ship. I just hope it's not the Master, that'd be way too soon. If I had my way it'd be Valeyard.

I also dig the way they're handling River. She does seem to be subtley younger each time we see her. The concept of them going in reverse is fascinating but at the same so obvious I can't believe no other Doctor Who writer has thought of it before. At some point I would like to see her as a permanent companion for a year or so and then have her guest starring as someone getting to know the Doctor while he already knows her intimately.

how would you like it if the next companion is River Song played by a different, younger actress.

how would you like it if I punched you in the face?

I wouldn't like it very much

you dirty slut

Prisoner 0? I'm not sure.

Mabye it was Eminem like in tht veedeo.
-Sikk

That shit was dope, yo!

It's the meta-crisis doctor, dudes.

I'm hoping for Valeyard. It'd be really neat if it was the meta-crisis Doctor gone bad but I doubt Tennant would return to the series as a villain so soon after leaving.

Vale-who?

Valeyard is an alternate future version of the Doctor that existed between his 12th and final incarnation. He was all the darkness and evil of the Doctor.
Basically in the 6th Doctor's second season they tried an experiment to boost ratings by having it be one 14 episode long serial: The Trial of a Time Lord. It was really a bunch of random episodes with courtroom sequences serving as a framing device. The Valeyard was the prosecutor until the Master revealed it was all a trick to get the Doctor's remaining lives (and in doing so become "real"). It was a crappy season that almost killed the show, but the Valeyard as a concept is pretty good. It'd even be neat if they had a former Doctor playing him (like he tried to regenerate and it sort of worked but aged his new body).

Well, since Michael Jayston (the original Valeyard) is dead, recasting would be required. Toby Jones (Dreamlord/Valeyard from Amy's Choice) would still be fine with me. He's in Captain America, btw.

James Nesbitt would be good:

That'd make it even easier for me to stop watching if that twat was in it.