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If there will be a Valeyard, he should be played by a black actor with a black sounding voice.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus

i don't care how cordial and civil they were, that had to awkward.


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the rama's taken to recapping the show of late. recapper seems pretty knowledgeable about the show and posts some interesting trivia after the recap.

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/post-game-Doctor-Who-S5E9-100621.html

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James Nesbitt would be good:




That'd make it even easier for me to stop watching if that twat was in it.


Why do you hate all the great British actors? Have you never seen Jekyll?

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 Originally Posted By: Grimm
the rama's taken to recapping the show of late. recapper seems pretty knowledgeable about the show and posts some interesting trivia after the recap.

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/post-game-Doctor-Who-S5E9-100621.html


Thanks for the link! They actually DO get the program. I dig it.

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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James Nesbitt would be good:




That'd make it even easier for me to stop watching if that twat was in it.


Why do you hate all the great British actors? Have you never seen Jekyll?

He is not British, he is Irish.
Also he is a shit actor, not a great one.
Fucking bloke cant even pronounce words properly, the cunt!

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 Originally Posted By: Nöwheremän
He is not British, he is Irish.


My bad.

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Also he is a shit actor, not a great one.


Your bad.

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Fucking bloke cant even pronounce words properly, the cunt!


Jekyll!! It's awesome, man! You should love it.

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Stephen Moffat wrote it!

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
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He is not British, he is Irish.


My bad.

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Also he is a shit actor, not a great one.


Your bad.

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Fucking bloke cant even pronounce words properly, the cunt!


Jekyll!! It's awesome, man! You should love it.

You are gay!

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 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Stephen Moffat wrote it!

You are gay for Moffat.

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\:damn\:

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No, Moffat is gay for me!

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Moffat writes novellas.

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but can he do a video game inventory?

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Posted this when Flesh and Stone aired:
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I was rewatching the last episode and noticed something. When the Doctor leaves Amy with the soldiers, he's not wearing a jacket, says his goodbyes, and then they show her hands and he takes them and tells her to start trusting him and asks her to remember what he said when she was 7. For the whole bit of dialogue they keep the camera focused on their heads but you can see the Doctor is wearing his jacket and has a watch on. Then he leaves and the next time they show him he's with River and not wearing a jacket. I wonder if this is supposed to be him from the future coming back to nudge things along or just a continuity error.

That plus the end of Eleventh Hour when we see a young Amy looking up happy hearing the Tardis leads me to think that'll be the solution. The Doctor will essentially go back along his own timeline to fix the problem. If so that'd be cool. One thing Moffat has brought to this series that was lacking in past years was using time travel as more than just a way to get to the setting.


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I called it!

(I will edit this later with the details, after I have watched the season finale. wibbly wobbly time wimey)

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 Originally Posted By: Son of Mxy
I called it!

(I will edit this later with the details, after I have watched the season finale. wibbly wobbly time wimey)


LOL!!

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SPOILERS FOR BBCAmerica viewers (Jeff)


The Triumph of Doctor Smith



  • Following his bravura performance in The Lodger, and in the dying moments before the Pandorica opens, it’s time to take an overdue look at Matt Smith’s Doctor.

    The casting of the Eleventh Doctor caused a bit of a stir back in 2009; it seemed possible that we might get David Morrissey (so keen was the misdirection of The Next Doctor), but names like Russell Tovey and Paterson Joseph were also mentioned. When the role went to an ex-footballer, soon be known by his full title, “Twenty-Six-Year-Old Matt Smith”, the fans – in time-honoured fashion – began to worry. The hardcore were frightened because they thought the Doctor should be middle-aged and the shippers began to realize that they were going to lose their pinstriped eye candy. For my own part, I supported Steven Moffat’s choice of leading man – in spite of my surprise – but believed it was so unusual that the wider audience would not play along. I genuinely thought it would be Colin Baker all over again – even Matt Smith’s enthusiasm recalled Baker’s in 1983 – and when the pundits came out in force, telling us that the boots Smith was about to fill were very, very big ones, I thought this was game over.

    Almost one Matt Smith season later, it is pleasantly surprising to see how things turned out. Even if you still prefer David Tennant, there’s no denying that Smith is a worthy successor to, arguably, the most popular Doctor Who ever. Smith – unlike Tennant – isn’t an obvious Doctor Who fan, but one cannot help feeling that he has picked up this beautiful thing we all adore and promised with all his heart to take the greatest care of it. From that perfect opening episode (surely the best of any Doctor bar Hartnell), Smith gave us something so intricate, so real and complete that a great many of us cheered at the TV and struggled to recall the last feller’s name. We chose to move on and Smith led us through the treeborgs with an energy and enthusiasm previously unrivaled.

    Moffat’s observation that although Smith is vibrantly young he conveys great age is now a cliché, but a wonderfully correct one. From the swaggering cockiness of youth to the gentle, delicate insight of experience – via some mid-life crisis of staying ‘cool’ and coping – Smith has exceeded all expectations of interpretation to bring us a character so unflinchingly detailed that it feels, perhaps for the first time in the series’ long history, that the Doctor is a real person. Smith is both a brilliant ‘serious’ actor and a splendid comedian, achieving the best results by playing both for keeps. His success derives from his deep intensity and sharply focused attachment to any given situation (something that his co-star seems yet to learn).

    Not only is Smith’s characterization rich, it is also very nicely textured. See, for example, how he sits upon Rosanna’s throne in Vampires of Venice, all fidgety and never quite comfortable; see him jump excitedly up and down on his bed in The Lodger whilst chatting to Amy through his earpiece. Smith never stops finding things for the Doctor to do, even when only in the background of a shot. There is, for example, a lot of brilliantly understated ‘business’ in the TARDIS doorway at the start of The Beast Below. Smith’s skill here is that his character continues to live and breathe out of the limelight, whilst never distracting the viewer or upstaging his co-stars. Those that love him – and I count myself among them – admire his endless ability to fill the screen with a consistent sense of realism.

    Before this season began, it was feared that sticking the Doctor in a bow tie and tweeds seemed too deliberate. It is now apparent that Smith needed such an outfit from which to elicit his performance. He does look so blissfully Doctor-ish, and maybe we all felt a bit nervous and self-conscious about that. Christopher Eccleston’s leather jacket and boots deliciously pared down all the costumes that had gone before, and Tennant, to some extent, followed suit, but Smith is a very young man. To put him in something young and funky would have diluted the actor’s interpretative tension in his young/old persona, especially now the Time War angst has passed. The real catchphrase of this season – ‘bow ties are cool’ – tells us so much about this Doctor. Look back at his first episode and, boy, does that suit look wrong.

    Possibly the Doctor’s most iconic scene this year is the one in Victory of the Daleks where the Doctor holds the Daleks at bay with a Jammy Dodger. He looks so right, so perfectly precise – as much a part of the programme’s design as the Daleks themselves – and Smith’s incredible features make him the best-looking Doctor ever. I said this elsewhere, pointing out that Smith was not a pretty boy, but that he was the most fascinatingly alien-looking Doctor thus far. Yet as the weeks have gone by and his eyes have twinkled at lovers, painters, galactic wonders and thoughts unspoken, I have begun to find him oddly beautiful. I find myself wanting to look at him – and isn’t that what attractive is about? And his hair! That, my friends, is real Doctor hair; casting him one minute as mad professor, the next as disaffected teddy-goth and the next as some dark, deliberate monster.



    Smith is unarguably great in the role, but the writing of the Doctor is equally great. The best writers for the Doctor this season have been Steven Moffat (of course) and Gareth Roberts (with his best script for BBC Wales so far), but all of this year’s scripts have brought some wonderful texture to the character.

    When we first meet the new Doctor, he seems suddenly very alien and odd again. The way he looks at people, perceiving young Amelia as a new life form, eating fish custard and so on, is reminiscent of the Sixth Doctor, who operated on equally subjective extremes of mood and contrast.

    It was easy to assume that this was all down to the regeneration, but these extremes are still intact in The Lodger when, for example, he sips Rosé and spits it back into his glass (and in just about any other scene in that episode). But such reactions aren’t quite as alien as they at first seem. Looked at from another angle, these are the actions and reactions of a being at peace with itself, unconstrained by societal bounds, open to possibilities and honest with the world.

    This newfound openness (the Tenth Doctor equivalent seemed very artificial) sees him display an endless sense of thrilled glee in new situations – including the dangerous ones. But, in common with previous Doctors, he is heroic and bold in his dealings with his enemies. Be they Atraxi, Patient Zero, the Daleks or Rosanna, this Doctor steps right into the lion’s den and will even place his head between the beast’s jaws in order to sell his determination to protect those around him. Capable of great anger, he castigates the humans of Starship UK, the Daleks and River Song alike.

    His confidence in himself, although sometimes shaken (he doesn’t brag as much as the Tenth Doctor), manifests in many ways. His confrontation with Rosanna is almost flirtatious. He teases her with a predatory, sexual dance equal to her own, only to pull the rug from her by promising to tear her world apart. This aspect of the new Doctor is truly scary – and he knows it. There is an occasional sense of a truly dangerous and threatening Doctor just waiting to emerge in moments such as the one in which he ‘nicely’ asks Ambrose to leave her cache of weapons behind (The Hungry Earth). His intentions towards Amy also seem very dark. When he takes her aboard the TARDIS, he lies about his intentions (peeking secretively at the scanner display of the crack in the universe). Even after Rory’s double-death, he remains deceptive to Amy – when, as we later learn, he only needs to bump heads with her to explain the truth.

    It is strange, but sometimes we like the Doctor to be scarier than the monsters he fights and it is tempting to think his nicer qualities are a front for what the Daleks call The Oncoming Storm. But it’s also very obvious that his experiences touch him – not just the thrill of them, but also the pain of them. When he has no choice but to abandon Octavian to the absent mercy of a Weeping Angel, he displays heartbroken tenderness (sensitively performed by Smith).

    His deepest feelings are also exposed by an enigmatic but pained smile when Alaya asks him what he is willing to sacrifice for his cause. She thinks she has the upper hand because she is willing to die, but we already know him capable of sacrificing not only worlds, but worlds full of people very, very dear to him. It is only by a colossal act of will that he is able to keep his passions in check. This may add to our deepest concerns about the darkness he carries within him, but this is a man who is also capable of error, and the Dream Lord plays upon such vulnerabilities.

    This Doctor also overlooks stuff and gets things wrong in a way that the Seventh Doctor never would (until the moment of his death): by allowing himself to become preoccupied he loses Elliot to the Silurians; whilst sitting on Rosanna’s throne, he fails to realize that he’s sitting on the key to her power; he is also guilty of a misplaced faith in own abilities: ‘Nobody dies today.’ Well, Alaya does. Rory does. There are far better stories this season, but the Silurian two-parter allows Smith to display the Doctor’s complex moral centre, and he plays it not as stoutly as Jon Pertwee did (in a similar story) but in a manner far more relaxed and intimate – a lot like Patrick Troughton might have.

    Ah, Troughton. No discussion of Smith’s Doctor is complete without mention of Troughton’s. As soon as Smith declared Troughton his favourite – and face it, all the Doctor’s from Tom Baker have – the pundits latched on to the Troughtonesque qualities of his performance. Let’s put this to bed. All actors like Troughton’s work because he is, relatively speaking, perhaps the most accomplished and versatile television and film actor to have taken on the role.

    If you know your broadcast history, the man is a legend in the way that even Eccleston is not yet allowed to be. But is Smith’s Doctor just a retread? Well, they both have craggy faces, wear bow ties and walk like little children. But the broad strokes of Troughton’s performance are those of almost permanent self-immersion, indignance and soothing apology. Smith can do these – and is, to some extent, informed by these – but they do not define him. Any apparent influence is just window dressing.

    Unlike Troughton’s Doctor, Smith’s is capable of genuine sentiment and glowing pride in others. He displays sincere warmth towards those he encounters and those in his care. Unlike Troughton – or any other Doctor (except perhaps the Eighth) – he is genuine, open and friendly, and this allows him to be humbled by the humans of the 29th century, thrilled at the prospect of being someone’s lodger and eager to join Vincent in listening to colours rather than dismissing him as a madman.

    Taking The Lodger as an example that best covers the season, this Doctor’s intelligence is sometimes fierce, sometimes naïve, but always utterly compassionate and thoroughly tactile. Smith inhabits the part, whereas all the others – Troughton included – simply performed it (however brilliantly). Smith’s is a fully contemporary take on the role of the Doctor, informed by modern, less theatrical acting techniques and supported by modern televisual grammar; as such, it makes Smith quite simply a better Doctor than Troughton. Put Troughton in The Lodger and it would not be anywhere near as good.

    It might be just as easy to compare Smith to Peter Cushing – both walk funny, bumble about and have very similar silhouettes – but, in all honesty, the Doctor to whom Smith is closest is actually David Tennant. Certainly their vocal tones are very similar. Perhaps what makes Smith the most effective New Who so far is his combination of Tennant’s exuberance and Eccleston’s swagger. But again, his performance is more real, more genuine, less, well, performed than that of his immediate predecessors. Look at those clips of Tennant with River Song on Confidential – he suddenly seems oddly wrong in the part.

    Whether or not you agree with the points I have made, it is obvious that Matt Smith has made the part his own and that the Eleventh Doctor is one of the strongest we have seen both on screen and on paper.

    He manages to combine the Big Doctors with the Little Doctors seamlessly, falling into neither camp and filling the boots of Tom, Jon, Sylv, Pat, Billy, Chris, Dave … Whoever! But unlike any other Doctor (and only Sylvester McCoy came close) he also manages to be both distantly alien and warmly human. Maybe the portrayal is actually not so alien, but played just as real as any part Matt Smith might play – it’s possibly just the context of TV drama that makes him look really weird – more real, less mannered than a Troughton.

    Unfortunately, Karen Gillan plays up to this but hasn’t the same set of skills to pull it off. I have begun to suspect that if anything will hold Smith back from truly achieving greatness in the eyes of every fan, then it will be she for it was only during The Lodger that he finally seemed unconstrained by her. Perhaps they should team him up with someone older, someone who doubts his abilities, someone like Donna.

    This may not have been the best season ever, but it is perhaps the most truly consistent with every episode being at least workmanlike and several of them being utter masterpieces. What is certain now is that what would once have been a below average episode will always stand tall while we have Matt Smith’s Doctor to watch and enjoy. Long may he reign.



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Interesting read. Couldn't agree more.
This new season has been incredible and I would call it the best Who I've ever seen. The production value seems better than years past (even though I hear the budget was cut), the new Tardis set is amazing, Smith and Amy (and River and Rory) have been entertaining and more 3-dimensional than Rose or Martha or Jack ever were. And of course Moffat's lead has given the scripts a sense of clever fun. I actually feel like a kid watching the new episodes due to the genuine sense of fun and adventure while at the same time my adult brain feels that it's getting a solid story.


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I just noticed this in the Flesh and Stone scene, the Doctor was wearing something in his wrist, we only get to see the strap so it could be anything (even a simple watch).

As far as things that could actually mean anything to the story, the only wrist-worn thingies that come to my mind is the one that changes his biology and a vortex manipulator. I'm betting on the latter.

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I disagree. I think it could be something as simple as a watch or maybe something else that goes on a wrist...like those vortex manipulators we've seen before.
Just my own theory.


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that article has to be one of the most masturbatory things I've ever seen (and that's saying a LOT!). seriously, I was waiting for a video of the author literally going down on Smith to show up in one of those pics. (Pro, did you write that?)

why is it that whenever people get into this discussion over various Doctors, it always sounds like they're all reading off of the same script? "MY Doctor was actually in the role, all other Doctors were just ACTING!" "NO, MY Doctor was truly showing his range of expression and emotion! The previous/following Doctor couldn't lick jelly babies from his buttocks!" they're ALL acting people, that's what they do, they're actors!

can we have some original thought and expression put into the subject for once?

now, not having seen Smith (or even Tennant's last season and a quarter), I will say one thing: I do agree that his visual appearance does lend itself to the "alienness" of the role. something that's been lacking since the relaunch five years ago.

that was always the appeal to me when I used to watch as a little kid. the alienness of everything. it was like nothing else I'd seen before or since. bring something of that back to the series, and get away from the familiar for a while.

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\:lol\: Yeah, that's definitely an opinion-piece. But, it's terribly accurate when it comes to Smith. He's the real deal. I'd go as far to say that he's flawless in his performance. Quite literally, from the word go, he was The Doctor.

But, I also agree that I would have liked a little more in-depth analysis of his points, rather than "Hey, I'm a fan of Matt Smith". Again, though, when it comes to Smith, it's dead-accurate.

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I would have liked it if the author included discussions about his penis size and how long he can last in bed.

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Why would you want to know that about the author?


whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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I fantasize about authors all the time.

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Quite possibly the best fake modern Doctor Who ad I have ever seen...


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There was a war. . .and we lost. . .

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I won in that war.

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http://www.doctorwho-episodes.com/

It has eps from as far back as the first doctor. One of his companions look like Barbra Streisand.

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\:lol\: Probably Barbara. Or Liz?

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 Originally Posted By: Grimm
There was a war. . .and we lost. . .



Grimm #1120939 2010-06-26 6:23 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Grimm
There was a war. . .and we lost. . .


Dr Whomod and the insurgents?

the G-man #1120940 2010-06-26 6:25 PM
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Why would Doctor Who have lost?

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