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There's a difference though from talking about a shared Anglo-Saxon heritage between two countries and saying Obama doesn't understand that heritage. Why would Obama as a fellow American understand that heritage any less than Romney?


Because he's a retard.


More to the point, Obama is an educated gentlemen and he SHOULD understand that heritage. However, it has been clear from some time (as evinced by his previously cited snubs, his apology tours and his general willingness to talk of American ideals as outmoded concepts) that he considers that heritage to be unimportant or even negative.

Again, a president who "understands" that heritage wouldn't crap on it by treating British leaders which such obvious disdain.

Pure speculation on my part but there is also the fact that Obama's dad was Kenyan. I would hardly be surprised to find out that his father, perhaps with some justification, viewed the British with resentment over the colonialism. That could have easily rubbed off on the president.

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“We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere,” said Cameron, which was interpreted as a reference to Salt Lake City and Utah.


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Romney probably should've just said he was glad to be there for the opening of the games.

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Romney follows up ‘Anglo-Saxon’ gaffe by disparaging Olympic readiness
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Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:31 EDT Share on facebookShare on redditShare on diggShare on twitterShare on farkShare on stumbleupon111 Topics: London ♦ Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney ♦ mitt romney

Republican presidential hopeful and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) is frantically trying to walk back disparaging comments he made about London’s readiness to host the Olympics, and for casting doubt on Britain’s willingness to “come together and celebrate the Olympic moment,” according to the Agence France Presse.

Mending this gaffe comes just days after Romney faced sharp criticism for a remark an anonymous foreign policy adviser made to reporter John Swaine of the Telegraph. The aide reportedly said that a Romney administration would restore “Anglo-Saxon” values to the special relationship enjoyed by the U.S. and the U.K., a statement that struck many as overtly racist.

It was in an interview in London with NBC’s Brian Williams that Romney said that he found stories he was hearing about London’t readiness for the Olympic Games “disconcerting.”


“It’s hard to know just how well it will turn out,” he said of the games and the lapses in security that have surrounded them, “There are a few things that were disconcerting. The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials — that obviously is not something which is encouraging.”

He also questioned British people’s willingness to embrace the Games.

“Do they come together and celebrate the Olympic moment?” he asked. “That’s something which we only find out once the Games actually begin.”

The candidate has spent Thursday on damage-control, trying to minimize long-term impact to his campaign.

In a meeting with Labour Party leader Ed Miliband that Romney began to try to walk back his statements, saying that “(i)t is impossible for absolutely no mistakes to occur” in something as large and complicated as the Olympic Games.

“Of course there will be errors from time to time,” he said, “but those are all overshadowed by the extraordinary demonstrations of courage, character and determination by the athletes.”


The BBC has pointed out that Romney appeared to not know Miliband’s name, instead calling him “Mr. Leader.”

Vice President Joe Biden has criticized Romney’s remarks. “Despite his promises that politics stops at the water’s edge, Gov. Romney’s wheels hadn’t even touched down in London before his advisers were reportedly playing politics with international diplomacy,” Biden said in a statement.

“The comments reported this morning are a disturbing start to a trip designed to demonstrate Gov. Romney’s readiness to represent the United States on the world’s stage … This assertion is beneath a presidential campaign.”

Romney will leave the U.K. later this week to continue his trip in Poland and Israel.

UPDATE: British Prime Minister David Cameron has responded to Romney’s comments, saying in a press conference, “You’re going to see beyond doubt that Britain can deliver.”

Cameron hit back at Romney, saying that perhaps the Utah Winter Olympics were easier to assemble, given that they were not being staged in a metropolis like London.

“We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere.”

Cameron went on to say, “I think we will show the whole world not just that we come together as a United Kingdom but also we’re extremely good at welcoming people from across the world. I will obviously make those points to Mitt Romney. I look forward to meeting him.”

UPDATE 2: Romney gaffed again when he told reporters outside the residence of Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron that he had just met with the head of Britain’s top secret MI6, an organization so cloaked in mystery that it is rarely even acknowledged in public. It is highly unusual that anyone from MI6 would meet with an agent of a foreign government, particularly one who is not yet elected to the office for which he is campaigning.

The Telegraph quotes Patrick Mercer MP, a former chairman of the House of Commons’s intelligence and security sub-committee, as saying, “It is very unusual. The head of MI6’s time is extremely precious. I wonder if this does not set a strange precedent where other leaders of other oppositions will also want similar briefings.”

Guardian blogger Tom McCarthy wrote, “For our American readership, this isn’t like bragging you just met David Petraeus. The British take on the national secret intelligence service comes with an extra-heavy dollop of the whole secret thing. The very existence of the MI6 was not officially acknowledged until 1994.”

McCarthy continued, “Good luck, Romney handlers: this is only stop No. 1 on a three-stop international tour. What will he say in Jerusalem?”

What, indeed?


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\:lol\:

I'm so glad Romney is doing this trip to show us his leadership.


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It's still miles above sending a bust of Winston Churchill (a gift from the British government) back to the British embassy with intended hostility and insult, an egocentric gift of Obama's own speeches on disc (that didn't work) to the queen, selling out Poland and Czechoslavakia to the Russians without even informing those gov ernments of the changes that compromises their security to the Russians, snubbing Israel's prime minister repeatedly, and even badmouthing Netanyahu on a live microphone.

And Obama promising that he can be "more flexible after the election" in negotiating away our nuclear security to Russia.


There's no minor error in word-choice on Romney's part that even begins to compare to the treasonous incompetence of Obama's four years.

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Nice try at misrepresenting and twisting my words, though.


As I've said before, the kind of right-wing-violence you fantasize about is exactly what the Left would like conservatives to do, so Obama and his Ayers-like brethren can justify a complete lockdown on free thought, shut down Fox News, conservative radio, and all other political dissent, and toss all dissenters in "re-education camps".

But despite all provocations, the Right have not fallen into their trap.


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I dunno, they're calling Romney "Mitt the Twit" across the pond. Not sure if I would be so quick to speak for them.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I dunno, they're calling Romney "Mitt the Twit" across the pond. Not sure if I would be so quick to speak for them.


And by "they" you mean a few columnists in the U.K media.

Gee, what a surprise, the media doesn't like a Republican candidate.


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    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.
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It's still miles above sending a bust of Winston Churchill (a gift from the British government) back to the British embassy with intended hostility and insult


I'm going to send a letter to Romney that--assuming he wins--specifically asks that he request England to send the bust back to the White House.

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Or tweet...Or email...Whatever it is people use nowadays.

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Lately, there’s been a rumor swirling around about the current location of the bust of Winston Churchill. Some have claimed that President Obama removed the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office and sent it back to the British Embassy.

Now, normally we wouldn’t address a rumor that’s so patently false, but just this morning the Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer repeated this ridiculous claim in his column. He said President Obama “started his Presidency by returning to the British Embassy the bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office.”

This is 100% false. The bust still in the White House. In the Residence. Outside the Treaty Room.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/...ston-churchill

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Another half-truth from Snopes...and MEM.

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As Telegraph readers will recall, one of the earliest actions of the Obama presidency when it came to office in 2009 was to return a bust of Sir Winston Churchill to the British Embassy, an extraordinary move considering the huge admiration for the wartime leader on both sides of the Atlantic. Tim Shipman, The Sunday Telegraph’s Washington correspondent at the time (now Deputy Political Editor at The Daily Mail), was the first to break the story:
  • A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back. The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure. But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."


The decision to return the bust naturally sparked outrage at home and abroad, and has caused considerable embarrassment over the years for the Obama administration. This week the White House has stumbled again over the Churchill bust issue (hat tip Keith Koffler at the terrific White House Dossier blog.)

In response to an article by Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer published on Friday, which highlighted the decision to return the bust, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer tried to rubbish The Post piece, issuing a statement on Saturday that the bust was, despite all the evidence to the contrary, still in the White House:

  • Lately, there’s been a rumor swirling around about the current location of the bust of Winston Churchill. Some have claimed that President Obama removed the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office and sent it back to the British Embassy.

    Now, normally we wouldn’t address a rumor that’s so patently false, but just this morning the Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer repeated this ridiculous claim in his column. He said President Obama “started his Presidency by returning to the British Embassy the bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office.”

    This is 100% false. The bust still in the White House. In the Residence. Outside the Treaty Room. News outlets have debunked this claim time and again. First, back in 2010 the National Journal reported that “the Churchill bust was relocated to a prominent spot in the residence to make room for Abraham Lincoln, a figure from whom the first African-American occupant of the Oval Office might well draw inspiration in difficult times.”

    And just in case anyone forgot, just last year the AP reported that President Obama “replaced the Oval Office fixture with a bust of one of his American heroes, President Abraham Lincoln, and moved the Churchill bust to the White House residence.”

    In case these news reports are not enough for Mr. Krauthammer and others, here’s a picture of the President showing off the Churchill bust to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House residence in 2010. Hopefully this clears things up a bit and prevents folks from making this ridiculous claim again.


The British Embassy in Washington, however, was quick to correct Pfeiffer’s remarks, its spokesman telling ABC’s Jake Tapper:

  • The bust of Sir Winston Churchill, by Sir Jacob Epstein, was lent to the George W. Bush administration from the U.K.’s government art collection, for the duration of the presidency. When that administration came to an end so did the loan; the bust now resides in the British Ambassador’s Residence in Washington D.C. The White House collection has its own Epstein bust of Churchill, which President Obama showed to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House in March.


Mr. Pfeiffer was subsequently forced to publish an embarrassing, though still defiant, mea culpa in the form of an ”update”, acknowledging that the bust of Churchill loaned to the White House by the British government had indeed been removed from the Oval Office by the Obama administration:

  • Since my post on the fact that the bust of Winston Churchill has remained on display in the White House, despite assertions to the contrary, I have received a bunch of questions — so let me provide some additional info. The White House has had a bust of Winston Churchill since the 1960’s. At the start of the Bush administration Prime Minister Blair lent President Bush a bust that matched the one in the White House, which was being worked on at the time and was later returned to the residence.

    The version lent by Prime Minister Blair was displayed by President Bush until the end of his Presidency. On January 20, 2009 — Inauguration Day — all of the art lent specifically for President Bush’s Oval Office was removed by the curator’s office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency. The original Churchill bust remained on display in the residence. The idea put forward by Charles Krauthammer and others that President Obama returned the Churchill bust or refused to display the bust because of antipathy towards the British is completely false and an urban legend that continues to circulate to this day.


The White House clearly owes Charles Krauthammer, one of America’s sharpest and most well-informed columnists, an apology. Mr. Krauthammer thoroughly researches his articles, and is meticulously careful with his facts. And as for the Churchill bust itself it would be wonderful to see it eventually back in the Oval Office (with the good graces of the British government) in recognition of the great wartime prime minister, and the enduring importance and vital role of the US-UK Special Relationship.


Seriously. Is this how Snopes gets its info? By simply parroting what representatives tell them?

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Sure looks like it, at least in this case.

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So there ended up being two identical Churchill busts and the one that was on loan was returned while the other still remains in the WH. What do you think a loan is?


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You're not very bright, are you?

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The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure. But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."


Pfeiffer omitted information and even went so far as to say that the busts were one in the same.

Why, oh why, do you feel it appropriate to defend liars and amateur mythbusters?

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So is Romney just assuming the bust will be reloaned back or does he intend on stealling it? Isn't that sort of rude?

Seriously though, when I hear conservatives talk about this they leave out that it was not a gift but a loan. Eventually England expected it back. They however were not expecting Mitt to insult them when he came to visit. So much for that shared anglo-saxon heritage.

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The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure. But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

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So, this week alone, we've seen MEM cherry pick polls, 'factcheck' articles, snopes.com and now even the posts on threads he started. You almost have admire his ability to tune out anything that contradicts his carefully constructed worldview.

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I was tempted to change the name of this thread to Vetting Obama Again but now it's looking like it's turning into Vetting MEM.


I did mess up though in my reply to Pariah about conservatives never mentioning that the bust was a loaner. I had been watching the Sunday political shows and was thinking about how they never mention the bust was a loaner and had been thinking about that when I replied. My mistake for speaking in general.


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Rolling with the G-Man on this one. We can talk about the successive waves of other European and non-European cultures into the USA. That's fine and dandy. It still doesn't change the fact that we started off as 13 fucking English colonies and that much of our customs and ideas on the government are deeply steeped in that heritage. Fuck, you aren't even guaranteed a trial by jury of your peers in freaking France!


There's a difference though from talking about a shared Anglo-Saxon heritage between two countries and saying Obama doesn't understand that heritage. Why would Obama as a fellow American understand that heritage any less than Romney? After the Sununu comment it does look like Romney is going there.


Because Obama is an ideological radical, and that is well documented by the people he has associated with since high school (Frank Marshall Davis, his marxist parents --BOTH!!-- and his grandparents who hooked him up with Frank Marshall Davis)... by the radical students and professors Obama associated with in college (Rashid Khalidi, Derrick "hate whitey" Bell, and the many other radicals, that Obama himself describes associating with in his own autobiography)... and by Obama's close associates and political allies for more than 20 years since he began his career (Rev Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, Jeff Jones and the Apollo Alliance who wrote the Stimulus and Obamacare, and on and on).

In D'Souza's book The Roots of Obama's Rage, he makes clear that the dream from his father in Obama's autobiography Dreams From My Father is anti-colonialism: deep hatred of European/Western power, and a burning desire to cripple that power and make it recede from the world so that it can never be exerted again.

So... Obama may understand that British heritage, but Obama clearly --by his own words-- has a deep resentment of that heritage, and a clear ill will toward it. Churchill in particular had a strong participation in African colonialism, prior to his exertion of that power at the highest levels, as leader of the Empire in two world wars. There was clear and intentional symbolism in boxing Churchill's bust and sending it back to the British Embassy.
There was no un-intended insult, it was all very intentional.


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Monday, July 30, 2012 19:58 EDT Share on facebookShare on redditShare on diggShare on twitterShare on farkShare on stumbleupon69 Topics: republican presidential hopeful mitt romney ♦ the White House ♦ white house

WASHINGTON — The White House called Monday on Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney to explain recent remarks including his apparent endorsement of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, a position that counters US policy.

Romney, in the midst of a three-nation tour, gave a speech Sunday in Jerusalem where he hailed the city as “the capital of Israel,” in apparent support of a position held by the Jewish state but never accepted by the global community.

The comment was swiftly rejected by Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat as “unacceptable” and “harmful to American interests in our region.”


But after Romney made fresh controversial statements Monday to donors in Jerusalem including suggesting Israeli “culture” helped explain the country’s economic success — a position Erakat denounced as “racist” — President Barack Obama’s office urged Romney to clarify his comments.

“One of the challenges of being an actor on the international stage, particularly when you’re traveling to such a sensitive part of the world, is that your comments are very closely scrutinized for meaning, for nuance, for motivation,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said about the Monday remarks.

The comments have left some people “scratching their heads a little bit,” Earnest told reporters at the daily White House briefing. “But I would leave it to governor Romney to further explain what he meant and what he intended when he said that.”

Earnest said Romney’s position on Jerusalem, the eastern half of which Palestinians claim as the capital of a promised future state, runs counter to longstanding US policy.

“It’s the view of this administration that the capital is something that should be determined in final status negotiations between the parties,” Earnest said.

“If Mr. Romney disagrees with that position, he’s also disagreeing with the position that was taken by presidents like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.”


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God, Obama really thinks he's a dictator, doesn't he? Now he's demanding the opposition explain itself.

Can 'the Dark Knight Rises' style show trials be far behind if he's reelected?

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...At the Jerusalem fundraiser, Romney offered additional ammunition for his critics when he pointed out the general good health of the Israeli people and their ability to keep medical costs down. Noting that healthcare spending in Israel is 8% of GDP compared with 18% in the U.S., he said, "We have to find ways, not just to provide healthcare to more people, but to find ways to find and manage our healthcare costs."

Israel, however, has a national healthcare system, with some similarities to the President Obama-backed U.S. healthcare plan Romney has vowed to repeal. (The Obama plan was based on the Massachusetts plan Romney approved as governor.)

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Why does Romney hate America?


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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:46 EDT Share on facebookShare on redditShare on diggShare on twitterShare on farkShare on stumbleupon122 Topics: presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney ♦ Reporters ♦ Rick Gorka

A Romney aide frustrated by questions about a series of gaffes the former Massachusetts governor made while Britain, Israel and Poland exploded on Monday and told reporters to “shove it.”

During a visit to a memorial to Pope John Paul II in Poland, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney ignored questions from reporters about his overseas gaffes and his suggestion that Israelis were culturally superior to Palestinians, but traveling press secretary Rick Gorka responded with rage.

“This is a holy site for the Polish people,” Gorka said. “Show some respect.”


“We haven’t had another chance to ask some questions,” the reporter explained.

“Kiss my ass; this is a holy site for the Polish people,” Gorka shot back, adding, “Shove it.”

The aide later called two of the reporters to apologize, according to Politico.

“It was inappropriate,” Gorka admitted.


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Since this wasn't Romney himself I can't fault him for what his campaign person said but Romney could be taking some questions. He is after all applying for an important job.


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Yeah, Romney should give the liberal media every chance to misrepresent what he says and turn it against him, manufacturing fake "gaffs".


Gee, why doesn't Romney give more interviews?

My favorite this week was Polish leader Lech Walesa --the Nobel Peace Prize-winning guy who led Poland out of Soviet-Russian domination-- eagerly endorsed Romney and said he hopes Romney is the next president. (Walesa, by the way, risked his life courageously, and truly EARNED his nobel prize, whereas Obama was handed his for nothing just a few months into his presidency, like a kindergartener who gets a gold star just for showing up.)

Contrast that with Obama's endorsement by Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Obama is endorsed by one of the rising stars of communism, while Romney is endorsed by one of the greatest modern adversaries of communism.

Gee, what a surprise, the liberal media isn't reporting this.



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So in your mind Romney didn't actually say what the press reported but made it up?

BTW you left out that Walesa's union doesn't endorse Romney. Since he's firmly anti-union it's odd that Walesa would.


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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
So in your mind Romney didn't actually say what the press reported but made it up?

BTW you left out that Walesa's union doesn't endorse Romney. Since he's firmly anti-union it's odd that Walesa would.


Romney's alleged "huge gaffe" in the U.K. was to ask if they had adequate security and organization for the London-hosted Olympic Games this week, and honestly addressed the obvious problems there. Which the British and global press acknowledged for weeks prior, and since, is absolutely true of Romney to say. But the liberal meda re-packages it as "How dare Romney says that!"

The "Big gaffe" in Poland is that Romney ignored the badgering of reporters who shouted at him, "what about the gaffe Mr Romney, what about the gaffe?" While he was at a memorial site. Romney subordinates repeatedly asked the reporters to respect where they were, and be respectful, and finally rightly told the reporters to "shove it". Romney said nothing, just ignored them.

In Israel, Romney acknowledged the capital of Israel to be Jerusalem --which Israel has claimed since taking it in the 1967 war. It was not a gaffe, but a strong expression of solidarity with Israel (in sharp contrast to Obama's scorn for Israel and Netanyahu). Yes, the U.S. has not recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital, but it was a clear expression of no daylight between Romey and Israel if he is president.
And the "gaffe" about Palestinians being less sucessful than Israel economically is also true. And underscores that Palestinians for decades have hosed away all their resources on terrorism and outright war on Israel, when in truth they could have an economy on a par with Israel's, if not for their own choosing of war over peace.

Only the Jerusalem remark approaches being an actual gaffe. But as I said, I think it was calculated and not a slip of the tongue.


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I agree that the Israel comments were calculated. Romney wants some of those Jewish votes and would say about anything to get them. When you start talking about one group being more culturally superior than another and the hand of providence playing a part, that doesn't strike me as good statemanship.

The Olympics comments were dumb on Romney's part. It wasn't just the press who took offense either as you had elected officials over there commenting on Romney's Olympic comments. When you're a guest it's rude even if it's true to play the critic.


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You think Palestine and Israel's cultures are equal now?

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As mentioned before, as soon as George W. Bush had to take on Islam, liberals fell in love with the religion on a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" theory. Later, when it was revealed their messiah BHO was born and raised a Muslim, that cemented their love for the Muslim faith.

As such, they are completely, and perhaps willfully, blind to the fact that Islam is at least, and probably more, intolerant than the worst backwoods bible thumper.

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The best part of that was actually when he called the Huffington Post the Sideboob Gazette.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
As mentioned before, as soon as George W. Bush had to take on Islam, ...


Bush called Islam a religion of peace after 9/11 so when you say "take on" perhaps you should clarify what you mean.


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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-1-2012/you--harry-reid--are-terrible


Daily Show is good stuff.

Reid went to far saying Romney's father would be ashamed. Still it does make you wonder why Romney refuses to release a normal amount.


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As mentioned before, as soon as George W. Bush had to take on Islam, ...


Bush called Islam a religion of peace after 9/11 so when you say "take on" perhaps you should clarify what you mean.


Two wars and various national security measures, which the left decried as 'racial profiling,' 'religious bigotry' and/or a 'climate of fear and intolerance' against Muslims/Islam.

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I'll just let W speak for himself...
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THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.

I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.

Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.

This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.

I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come by. And may God bless us all.


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MEM is citing George W Bush....with approval. The Mayan calendar was right!

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Try not to make things so personal G-man.


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