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Today: Obama Administration Tests Constitutional Power After Controversial Appointment http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/...al-appointment/Six Years Ago: Bush Appoints Bolton to U.N. Job http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164357,00.htmlA lot of similarities between these two recess appointments. However, only one has its constitutionality challenged or controversial nature of the appointment mentioned in the headline.
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A lot of similarities between these two recess appointments. However, only one has its constitutionality challenged or controversial nature of the appointment mentioned in the headline. The Constitution states, “The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.” Bolton was appointed during a recess. No one disputes that. Therefore, there was no real legal controversy. The appointment comported with the language set forth above. Conversely, a legitimate question exists whether the senate was in recess, as contemplated by the constitution and other legal precedent, at the time of the most recent appointment. Obama claims the Senate was, legally, in recess. The Senate leaders claim otherwise. And, in fact, other news outlets, including the New York Times have pointed out the constitutional question is hotly debated. That would seem to indicate that most news organizations, not just Fox (excuse me, "Faux") consider the alleged constitutional controversy a matter of newsworthiness. And, as the more current Fox (excuse me, "Faux") article you cited notes, the appointment (even if legal) is the kind of thing President Obama opposed when Bush was president. That makes it even more controversial.
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...a legitimate question exists whether the senate was in recess, as contemplated by the constitution and other legal precedent, at the time of the most recent appointment. Obama claims the Senate was, legally, in recess. The Senate leaders claim otherwise. And, in fact, other news outlets, including the New York Times have pointed out the constitutional question is hotly debated. Appeals court panel rules Obama recess appointments to labor board are unconstitutional- President Barack Obama violated the Constitution when he bypassed the Senate to fill vacancies on a labor relations panel, a federal appeals court panel ruled Friday.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said that Obama did not have the power to make three recess appointments last year to the National Labor Relations Board.
The unanimous decision is an embarrassing setback for the president, who made the appointments after Senate Republicans spent months blocking his choices for an agency they contended was biased in favor of unions.
The ruling also throws into question Obama’s recess appointment of Richard Cordray to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Cordray’s appointment, also made under the recess circumstance, has been challenged in a separate case.
Obama claims he acted properly in the case of the NLRB appointments because the Senate was away for the holidays on a 20-day recess. But the three-judge panel ruled that the Senate technically stayed in session when it was gaveled in and out every few days for so-called “pro forma” sessions.
GOP lawmakers used the tactic — as Democrats have in the past as well — to specifically to prevent the president from using his recess power.
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I'm guessing this will wind up in the Supreme Court. Reguardless of what happens something needs to be worked out between the parties on this or else it's just going to get worse.
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I don't know what to make of this. I want to hold the same standard to both parties, and acknowledge that under W. Bush, Ambassador John Bolton was appointed by Bush without Senate approval. Offhand, I don't know what subtleties would make Bush's unapproved appointment OK, but Obama's unapproved appointment not. Or vice versa, in the eyes of the 93% Obama-adoring media.
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I don't know what to make of this. I want to hold the same standard to both parties, and acknowledge that under W. Bush, Ambassador John Bolton was appointed by Bush without Senate approval.
Offhand, I don't know what subtleties would make Bush's unapproved appointment OK, but Obama's unapproved appointment not. The appointment isn't/wasn't the constitutional issue. The timing is. As noted above (emphasis added): The Constitution states, “The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.”
Bolton was appointed during a recess. No one disputes that. Therefore, there was no real legal controversy. The appointment comported with the language set forth above.
Conversely, a legitimate question exists whether the senate was in recess, as contemplated by the constitution and other legal precedent, at the time of the most recent appointment. Obama claims the Senate was, legally, in recess. The Senate leaders claim otherwise. If Bush had appointed Bolton without a valid recess, or Obama had appointed during one, the respective results probably would have been the same.
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Okay, clearer.
I suspect, regardless, Obama will get away with it, because 1) very few follow procedure that closely, and 2) the media will give it minimal coverage because Obama is their guy, a free pass they would not give if it were W. Bush or some other Republican president.
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Despite how one might feel the courts trump Obama on this. And while I agree that it wasn't really in recess, a President doesn't have the power to decide when the Senate is or isn't in recess. My {slim} hope is the Supreme Court figures something out that works for everybody.
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This decision has some wide ranging implications... Court Rejects Recess Appointments to Labor Board By CHARLIE SAVAGE and STEVEN GREENHOUSE Published: January 25, 2013 418 Comments
WASHINGTON — In a ruling that called into question nearly two centuries of presidential “recess” appointments that bypass the Senate confirmation process, a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that President Obama violated the Constitution when he installed three officials on the National Labor Relations Board a year ago.
The ruling was a blow to the administration and a victory for Mr. Obama’s Republican critics – and a handful of liberal ones – who had accused Mr. Obama of improperly claiming that he could make the appointments under his executive powers. The administration had argued that the president could decide that senators were really on a lengthy recess even though the Senate considered itself to be meeting in “pro forma” sessions.
But the court went beyond the narrow dispute over pro forma sessions and issued a far more sweeping ruling than expected. Legal specialists said its reasoning would virtually eliminate the recess appointment power for all future presidents when it has become increasingly difficult for presidents to win Senate confirmation for their nominees. In recent years, senators have more frequently balked at consenting to executive appointments. President George W. Bush made about 170 such appointments, including John R. Bolton to be ambassador to the United Nations and two appeals court judges, William H. Pryor Jr. and Charles W. Pickering Sr.
“If this opinion stands, I think it will fundamentally alter the balance between the Senate and the president by limiting the president’s ability to keep offices filled,” said John P. Elwood, who handled recess appointment issues for the Justice Department during the Bush administration. “This is certainly a red-letter day in presidential appointment power.”
The ruling, if not overturned, could paralyze the National Labor Relations Board, an independent agency that oversees labor disputes, because it would lack a quorum without the three Obama appointments in January 2012.
The ruling’s immediate impact was to invalidate one action by the board involving a union fight with a Pepsi-Cola bottler in Washington State, but it raises the possibility that all the board’s decisions from the past year could be nullified. The decision also casts a legal cloud over Mr. Obama’s appointment that same day of Richard Cordray as the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
A White House spokesman said, “We disagree strongly with the decision” by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, adding that it conflicted with other court rulings and well over a century of government practice. Administration officials did not immediately say whether they would appeal the ruling or wait for other appeals courts to issue decisions in similar lawsuits filed across the country challenging other labor board actions.
The three judges on the appeals court panel, all of them appointed by Republicans, rejected the Justice Department’s argument that Mr. Obama could make the labor board appointments by declaring the Senate’s pro forma sessions during its winter break — in which a single senator came into the empty chamber every three days to bang the gavel — a sham. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives had refused to let the Democratic-controlled Senate adjourn for more than three days.
“An interpretation of ‘the Recess’ that permits the President to decide when the Senate is in recess would demolish the checks and balances inherent in the advice-and-consent requirement, giving the President free rein to appoint his desired nominees at any time he pleases, whether that time be a weekend, lunch, or even when the Senate is in session and he is merely displeased with its inaction,” wrote Judge David B. Sentelle. “This cannot be the law.”
The panel went on to significantly narrow the definition of “recess,” for purposes of the president’s appointment power. The judges held that presidents may invoke their recess appointment power only between formal sessions of Congress – a brief period that usually arises only once a year – rather than during breaks that arise during a session, like lawmakers’ annual August vacations. Two of the three judges also ruled that the president may also only use that power to fill a vacancy that opens during the same recess.
The ruling also called into question nearly 200 years of previous such appointments by administrations across the political spectrum. The executive branch has been making intrasession appointments since 1867 and has been using recess appointments to fill vacancies that opened before a recess since 1823. Among other things, Mr. Elwood noted, it called into question every ruling made by several federal appeals court judges who were installed by recess power.
“You know there are people sitting in prisons around the country who will become very excited when they learn of this ruling,” he said.
Charlie Savage reported from Washington, and Steven Greenhouse from New York.
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Yes, the ruling went farther than I would have anticipated. Interestingly enough, however, former Attorney General Ed Meese had warned Obama might cause something like this to happen by making these appointments: - President Obama’s attempt to unilaterally appoint three people to seats on the National Labor Relations Board and Richard Cordray to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (after the Senate blocked action on his nomination) is more than an unconstitutional attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role. It is a breathtaking violation of the separation of powers and the duty of comity that the executive owes to Congress.
Yes, some prior recess appointments have been politically unpopular, and a few have even raised legal questions. But never before has a president purported to make a “recess” appointment when the Senate is demonstrably not in recess. That is a constitutional abuse of a high order....
President Obama’s flagrant violation of the Constitution not only will damage relations with Congress for years to come but will ultimately weaken the office of the presidency. There eventually may be litigation over the illegal appointments, but it will be a failure of government if the political branches do not resolve this injustice before a court rules.
So now, Dear Leader is worse off than he was when he started, because the court’s ruling invalidates all appointments made during recesses that occur in the middle of a Senate session. My prediction: The SCotUS will take the case and may narrow the grounds for striking down the illegal appointments, but I'm not sure a majority (unless Obama gets a few more judges on there before then) will uphold the appointments themselves.
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Considering the pro-forma sessions were already being used to stop any recess appointments there wasn't really anything to lose by going ahead and making them. My hope is the Supreme Court essentially defines what a recess is and isn't. A President doesn't get to decide when but neither does congress get to pretend it's in session when it isn't.
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Considering the pro-forma sessions were already being used to stop any recess appointments there wasn't really anything to lose by going ahead and making them.... Except there obviously was.
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Appointments that would have been blocked otherwise? Don't see how that's a loss. By trying he at least has a chance of getting and keeping his people placed.
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Or he could've tried to cut a deal...or nominated somebody who could've been confirmed. he did neither. as a result he not only weakened his own presidency, he weakened every presidency
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When it comes to those appointments I seriously doubt there would have been any type of deal workable. Republicans typically don't want those positions filled so they have no reason to find any middle ground with the President. And since what we have now is a deal where a miniority party can pretend congress is in session when it really isn't, the recess power is essentially voided.
I think the Supreme Court even with it's conservative majority would have a hard time with this appeals court decision.
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When it comes to those appointments I seriously doubt there would have been any type of deal workable. Republicans typically don't want those positions filled so they have no reason to find any middle ground with the President. And since what we have now is a deal where a miniority party can pretend congress is in session... The Senate is controlled by the DNC. If they wanted to change the rules to prevent this, what prevents them? Reid was about the change the filibuster rules and they reached a compromise on that. Why not on this? Other than Obama being arrogant, that is.
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It requires the consent of the House for the Senate to recess. It's not an option for the senate to make a different rule.
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It requires the consent of the House for the Senate to recess... That's not technically true. The Senate can recess for up to three days without consent of the house, and vice versa. In any event, the controversy with recess appointments was whether, by the Senate's rules, a recess occurred. The Senate was conducting pro forma sessions at the time. Obama claimed that the pro forma sessions did not have the legal effect of interrupting an intrasession recess otherwise long enough to qualify as a "Recess of the Senate" under the Recess Appointments Clause. The court concluded that it was for the Senate and not for the President to determine whether the Senate is in session under the internal rules of that body. Since the decision hinged on an interpretation of Senate rules, it would make sense that Reid would have some ability to change those rules, even if only for the purpose of defining a pro forma session as something other than a recess.
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I don't think so because of the whole needing the consent of the house thing. If Reid didn't do the pro-forma sessions than the house wouldn't have allowed the senate to go on recess.
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Supreme Court hints it may limit president's recess-appointments power: Last year, a U.S. appeals court in Washington said President Obama violated the Constitution when he used the recess-appointment power to fill three seats on the National Labor Relations Board in January 2012. The Senate was not meeting then, but it was holding brief "pro-forma sessions" to indicate it was not on a true recess.
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Breaking: Supreme Court Unanimously Rules Obama Recess Appointments Are Unconstitutional Power Grab Note: unanimously
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yeah, it's pretty difficult for Democrats to spin a unanimous 0-9 decision as partisan Republican "right-wing" political theatre.
Amazing to me is that even the two justices that Obama appointed sided against him.
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