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Until the person or persons who injured the officer (who died hours later at the hospital of his injuries) are specifically identified as Trump supporters, identified by name, and their social media posts identify their ideology, it remains unproven that the officer was killed "by Trump supporters".

The fact is, the only person who is proven to have been shot and killed in the Capitol that day is Ashli Babbitt, a 35-year old retired female air force veteran, who was UNARMED when shot by Capitol police.
The other 3 who died were also identified after death as Trump supporters, but as disclosed, they died from "medical emergencies", strokes, heart attacks and died during CPR, not from injuries or gunfire.


The only violent plan proven to be "Trump supporters" so far is the plot to abduct Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan, by a fringe group of Satanists who identify as Trump supporters, but clearly no Trump supporter outside their rural Michigan cult would endorse or support what they did.

EVEN IF any of the "Trump supporters" who raided the capitol building turn out to be ACTUAL Trump supporters, they are a tiny group who do not represent the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters (over 100,000 at the outside demonstrations in Washington that day, and over 74 million Trump supporters nationwide.) Who are being maliciously smeared to be "violent" despite that it is clear we overwhelmingly have enormous respect for police and the military, and for the rule of law. News reports said that of the up to 200 or so protesters who entered the Capitol building, only about 25 were involved in violent clashes with police. And they have NOT been identified, or their political affiliations revealed. Which again, I find rather suspect, after more than 48 hours now. If they were Trump supporters, their names and Twitter and Facebook posts would be all over CNN and other liberal media right now. The fact that they're not identified indicates to me it doesn't fit the narrative they want to sell. Beyond those 35 or 40, the others who entered the Capitol would only be charged with "criminal trespass" if caught.

AGAIN: Taunting officers defiantly, shouting obscenities and racial epithets at police, tricking police into chasing them so they can video-record police from multiple angles simultaneously, vandalism, taking trophies from the places they loot, and violent attacks on police, are ALL TYPICAL OF ANTIFA AND BLM, they are NOT typical of Trump supporters, Tea Party, or Republicans. And they have a history of violence under a false flag, pretending to be Trump supporters to commit violence during the 2016 campaign, as revealed ON VIDEO by Project Veritas to have been working for the Hillary Clinton campaign, paid for the violence under a "double wall" of deniability.

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Well than be thankful that most of them didn’t conceal their identities and know they will be hunted down by the law, lose their jobs and be known for what they did to this country.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Well than be thankful that most of them didn’t conceal their identities and know they will be hunted down by the law, lose their jobs and be known for what they did to this country.

You need to learn the difference between "then" and "than".

And you seem to embrace the cancel-culture of getting people fired just for having a political opinion.
Many of the conservatives being fired just peacefully attended a Trump rally. Or were fired from a company or university just for posting on social media that they support Trump. You really think that's acceptable, to fire people just because they don't share your political views? That's a lot different from being involved in a violent crime. If you commit a crime, that's punished in a court of law. Now all of a sudden threatening someone's employment is a political weapon of the Left, to silence dissent.

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What I said was meant to apply to those that broke into the capital. Unlike trump I do not “love” them and want them to pay for what they did.


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Thankfully most of them don’t believe in masks from the pics and video.


And, unlike Antifa and BLM protesters, the MSM has no compunction about showing their faces.

Something for you to cry to:

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1233662#Post1233662


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...-the-president/ar-BB1cCbSB?ocid=msedgdhp

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Shirtless Horned-Hat Rioter Tells FBI He Joined Capitol Riot 'at the Request of the President'


Shirtless Horned-Hat Rioter Tells FBI He Joined Capitol Riot 'at the Request of the President'

The shirtless rioter who was pictured storming the U.S. Capitol in an outfit of horns and fur has told the FBI that he came to Washington D.C. on Wednesday "at the request of the President."

You couldn't make this up if you tried...


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
What I said was meant to apply to those that broke into the capital. Unlike trump I do not “love” them and want them to pay for what they did.


I don't believe Trump was referring to the violent protestors. As I've abundantly made clear, in video and photos, they have the look and demeanor of Antifa/BLM activists, DISGUISED as Trump supporters. Not ACTUAL Trump supporters.

And I even differentiate between the BLM/Antifa infiltrator violent actors, and the more dimwitted dupes who just followed them into the Capitol building, to take photos, wander around, and maybe swipe and take home some trophies. They're only guilty of criminal trespass.

So those would be covered in this part of Trump's statement :



Originally Posted by Originally Posted by President Donald J. Trump
I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt.

It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. [That last part talking about FBI, DOJ, the liberal media, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Google giving a free pass to Democrats and the political Left, such as BLM and Antifa. --WB]

I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace.

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Speaking of theives stealing trophies, this guy was stealing Nancy Pelosi's speaker podium. That's as big as a human body! How in hell could you carry that out successfully past hundreds of Capitol police, and probably two miles to his car, without being stopped?

Yet another detail that doesn't pass the smell test.


At least this one was caught.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...rest-mugshot-after-u-s-capitol-protests/

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Majority of domestic terror attacks committed by ‘white supremacists, violent far-right,’ says counterterrorism expert

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In 2020, the “vast majority” of domestic terrorism acts were committed or motivated by “white supremacists or militias or other like-minded, violent, far-right entities,” counterrorism expert Seth Jones told Yahoo Finance.

“In the last few years, what we've seen is a significant increase in the number of individuals involved in what we call violent far-right, and to some degree, of smaller numbers, violent far-left terrorism,” Jones, the director of the Transnational Threats Project and senior adviser to the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), told Yahoo Finance Live, noting that Wednesday’s violent riots and breach of the Capitol were “certainly” terrorism.


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639 ACTS OF MEDIA-APPROVED VIOLENCE AGAINST TRUMP SUPPORTERS

And that was only up through July 5, 2018.



Why would a federal official front the narrative that the right and Trump supporters are the real threat?

97% of DOJ EMPLOYEE DONATIONS WENT TO HILLARY CLINTON

Oh. Yeah.
That's why.

To quote FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith who was convicted of falsifying evidence, who texted "Vive le resistance!" to like-minded others Peter Strzok and Lisa Page while at work in the FBI. And looking at revealed texts by other FBI and DOJ leadership of Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap, Andrew Weissman, James Baker, Sally Yates, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, on and on, this is far from an isolated ideological Democrat bias by federal officials.
That bias extends to leadership of CIA (Brennan and Haspel and their lieutenant leaders), DNI (James Clapper), State Department, IRS, and other law enforcement and intelligence branches. While they should be looking for Russian, Chinese, Iranian and islamic attackers and foreign threats, they are instead using their resources to turn inwardly on the U.S., to spy on Trump and the Republicans.

As made so crystal clear over the last few weeks with the Solar Winds hacking of the entire U.S. cyber-infrastructure, the worst hack in U.S. history, right under their noses. And right after the head of CISA was fired by Trump, the guy who allowed the largest security hack in U.S. history by allowing infiltration of Solar Winds software updates to thousands of national security contractors, the exact same guy was hired as a private consultant for Solar Winds, right after !
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-a-grave-risk-to-the-federal-government/

What's wrong with this picture? That's hiring the wolf to protect the henhouse.

The same CISA official who fronted the Democrat narrative that the Nov 3 2020 election was "the most secure election in history".

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Brian Sicknick, Hero Officer Killed by MAGA Mob

Trump called these people great patriots and said he loved them. This blood is on his hands and those that willingly enabled his lies. Anyone that broke into the capital needs to be hunted down and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


AGAIN: It's still not proven that it was a "Trump supporter" who killed this officer. There is still evidence that Antifa members infiltrated the protest, PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, to blame them for violence.
Capitol officers, private contract security specialists,field reporters, and Republican House and Senate members have all made public statements that police were alerted to these plans, or directly observed "Trump supporters" who didn't behave like Trump supporters, as they infiltrated and manipulated the crowds.

And even the Trump supporters caught doing other bad things are clearly NOT mainstream Trump supporters, and their bad acts are condemned, NOT supported, by other Trump supporters.

As compared to violence ALL YEAR LONG by BLM and Antifa, that was endorsed by other Democrats and the liberal media as "justified" violence.
And Chris Cuomo who said: "Who ever said protests were supposed to be peaceful?"
And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who said violence and intimidation "is how you get social change".
And VICE PRESIDENT ELECT KAMALA HARRIS who said the violence "Is continuing on through election day, it's not going to stop, and it SHOULDN'T stop."
And Maxine Waters.
And Cory Booker.
And Joe Biden.
The entire Democrat leadership and liberal media were 100% endorsing the BLM violence.

The hypocrisy of the liberal media and Democrat leadership falsely alleging Trump "incited" violence on Jan 6th is absolutely beyond the pale.

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It’s all on tape WB and preserved for history.
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And sadly I think most people are expecting more right wing terrorism. Time to start using the rubber bullets and chemical agents on Trump mobs if they try anything like this again. Biden’s inauguration in particular is a concern.


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Btw kudos to the black officer who lead the angry trump mob down a different hallway away from the elected officials. It gave them more time to escape the”peaceful protestors”.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It’s all on tape WB and preserved for history.
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Yes. Every self-incriminating Democrat action I mentioned. It all supports what I just said.
I've linked and posted many of those videos and their transcribed comments dozens of times.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
And sadly I think most people are expecting more right wing terrorism. Time to start using the rubber bullets and chemical agents on Trump mobs if they try anything like this again. Biden’s inauguration in particular is a concern.

That is the lying narrative your side is trying to sell.

Jack Posobiec of OAN, interviewed on their Weekly Briefing program Saturday, who has military and intelligence experience from before he became a field reporter for OAN, and has observed hundreds of Trump rallies, and rallies/protests nationwide of BLM and Antifa, said that when Trump made his comments to "go home in peace", the crowd of 100,000 Trump protesters immedeiately broke up and went home.

As contrasted with hundreds of Democrat, "occupy" or BLM or Antifa demonstrations he has covered, who NEVER respond to such appeals, and just move to other areas to clash with police, loot and burn cities.

Trump supporters respect the law and police, and don't support the fringe group who attacked the Capitol, whether they are Antifa or self-proclaimed Trump supporters. There are multiple videos of Trump supporters who stopped people smashing windows and other bad acts, and even identified them as Antifa and called on other Trump supporters nearby to stop them !

As compared with Democrat leaders, the liberal media, BLM and Antifa who openly endorse riots, violence and intimidation as "justified" and as "a lever for political reform "(Ocasio-Cortez), and "It will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop." (KAMALA HARRIS).

You slander Trump and his followers without evidence, while selectively ignoring the ACTUAL proven violence on your side, and endorsement of it at the highest level by your vicious Bolshevik party and the liberal media.

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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Btw kudos to the black officer who lead the angry trump mob down a different hallway away from the elected officials. It gave them more time to escape the”peaceful protestors”.


You need to learn the difference between "led" and "lead".

The officer led them down another hallway. And while some of these Trump protestors (whether actual Trump supporters or Antifa infiltrators in false-flag disguise) did clash with police, there is plenty of video footage of protestors entering the Capitol building peacefully with officers standing right next to them and not making any effort to stop them. There's maybe 35 or 40 who violently clashed with police, and they have yet to be identified as Trump supporters.

The ones who tresspassed and took home trophies are not the same ones who were involved in violence.

In either group, you are slanderously using a few fringe actors to deceitfully say all Trump supporters support this, and are violent anarchists who attack and kill police.

WHERE DID YOU EVER CONDEMN BLM OT ANTIFA, WHO INJURED THOUSANDS OF POLICE NATIONWIDE, KILLED DOZENS, AND LOOTED AND BURNED WHOLE CITIES NATIONWIDE?!?

You are deceitfully and selectively trying to weaponize tragedy as a slander tool against Trump and his supporters.
Your deliberate misrepresentation is loathesome, M E M.

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Kamala Harris on BLM violence: "It will not stop, it SHOULDN'T stop"


The Democrat-Bolshevik piece of shit who will soon be vice president!

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Rep. Ayanna Pressley, "there needs to be unrest in our streets as long as there's unrest in our lives"


Ayanna Pressley, advocating BLM violence natiowide in wake of the George Floyd death.

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BLM PROTESTS PART OF AGENDA FOR SOCIALIST REVOLUTION

The wolf of violent marxist revolution, hiding in the sheep's clothing of "justice" and "reform".



This isn't a "MAGA fantasy" of civil war, this is a years-long ongoing violent assault on our Constitutional republic by the Democrat-Left.
And Republicans just attempting to form some kind of defense against it.

The key word being DEFENSIVE Trump-conservative reaction, to an ACTUAL Democrat far-Left violent assault on our republic. BLM and Antifa Democrats, burning cities nationwide.
And an invasion of illegals in the millions across our southern border.
And that Democrat-Left and social media tech giants and liberal media are allied with China and Russia, in their attempts to undermine our sovereignty, national security, and crashing of our economy. Even as they accuse Trump of foreign collusion.

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G-man have you considered we have to imagine a BLM breaking into the capital but not with the extremists pro-trumpers? Maybe we can agree to start treating the pro-trumpers like the BLM now with lots of rubber bullets and chemical agents? Maybe you’ve avoided watching footage but cops were being beaten with American flags while the surrounding crowd sang the national anthem.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
G-man have you considered we have to imagine a BLM breaking into the capital but not with the extremists pro-trumpers? Maybe we can agree to start treating the pro-trumpers like the BLM now with lots of rubber bullets and chemical agents? Maybe you’ve avoided watching footage but cops were being beaten with American flags while the surrounding crowd sang the national anthem.

"Have to imagine..."?!?


BLM / ANTIFA'S 50-DAY SEIGE ON THE WHITE HOUSE, BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 17 2020

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ANTIFA and BLM have hidden under the statement “peaceful protests” when their demonstrations have been anything but. ANTIFA and BLM have found comrades in the Democratic party and the Media and they are refusing to call them out for what they clearly are-domestic terrorists.

Former CBS reporter Lara Logan found what they are actually planning: a 50-day siege of the White House. It will start on September 17th and go all through Election Day on November 3rd.

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    “We will lay siege to the White House. And we will sustain it for exactly fifty days. This is the #WhiteHouseSiege.”


The website for the group said, “#WhiteHouseSiege will electrify the U.S. election season — and it doesn’t stop there. Drawing wind from #MeToo, #BLM, #ExtinctionRebellion, and protests against Trump’s lethal bungling of coronavirus, we’ll inspire a global movement of systemic change — a Global Spring — a cultural heave towards a true world order.”

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    The position of Democrats as articulated by their nominee is that if Trump is re-elected violence in the street will continue. This is more than just an idle threat, it is a seditious conspiracy to subvert our government if Democrats lose the election. This is where we are.


Those are Democrat BLM and Antifa types planning violence on Twitter, by the way. I know how much you condemn when political groups plan violent attacks on social media sites like Parler.
Except, of course, when it's YOUR SIDE planning and actually committing violence, on a mass scale.

This siege is planning to radically take over the country and world. They are telling supports to “head to Lafayette Square with intelligence to match our spirits”. The website also says that they have hopes of keeping the protests peaceful, but say that it has become hard to do that seeing what is going on currently in the United States.

On the website they are asking for people to collaborate and brainstorm with them as they have the aims of sparking a revolution. Lara Logan said that travel plans have already begun. It is unknown who is funding this, but President Trump said that it is being investigated.

#WhiteHouseSeige !
WOW ! That sounds so peaceful !

#ExtinctionRebellion !
That doesn't sound at all violent or genocidal !



Instigators of the Occupy Movement Now Calling for 'Siege' of the White House


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While we are currently dealing with the radical BLM/Antifa chaos being wrought in various cities and towns around the country, prior to them there was an antecedent – Occupy.

Now it’s sort of important to understand that while in each new iteration of “leftist movement” while there are some new folks who come in with whatever the chief “cause” of the moment, there’s still the same general core of leftists that move from one “movement” to the next. So if you check many BLM folks, many of them were also involved in Occupy.

The “cause” of the moment is about getting new adherents, be it “evil billionaires” or “black lives.” But in the end the real underlying cause is always the same: it’s really all about pushing the country further to the radical left.

But the folks who were behind Occupy have something else in the works. Call it “Occupy 2.0” if you will.

You may not recall who was behind Occupy. I recall because I covered it extensively from the beginning when it came off of Anonymous discussion boards and then suddenly appeared in NYC. It was instigated by Adbusters, with initial boots on the ground from folks like Anonymous and various far left organizations. Then as now, the media didn’t write about the real nature of the folks behind it.

Adbusters is now calling for a siege of the White House, starting September 17. “We will lay siege to the White House. And we will sustain it for exactly fifty days,” they say on their website. “Are you ready for the revolution,” it asks.



Now the terminology is likely to get the attention of the Secret Service and other law enforcement who find words like “revolution” and “siege of the White House” more than a little concerning.

They claim they will have “tens of thousands” of folks streaming into Lafayette Square on that date the anniversary of Occupy. “Fifty days — September 17th to November 3rd…we’ll inspire a global movement of systemic change — a Global Spring — a cultural heave towards a new world order.”

The purpose here seems to be to completely paralyze the debate and create a crisis in the run up to the election, likely thinking the D.C. police wouldn’t unseat them. But they misjudge, they will be dealing with the feds, far more than just the D.C. police.

They already seem to have a couple of problems. Like first, just being able to count. September 17 to November 3 isn’t 50 days, it’s 48.

Then they haven’t even settled on a “demand” yet. They’re so incensed, yet they don’t even know what they want?
“What is our one demand? We want to collaborate with you — brainstorm tactics with you — spark a revolution with you. We need your voice of wisdom and expertise to pull off a radically democratic toneshift in our politics. If you would like to either contribute or just shoot the shit, drop us a line at blackspotcollective@adbusters.org,” they ask.

But they haven’t even gotten together with some of who they would need for boots on the ground.

Apparently, Twitter doesn’t have any problem with such an announcement either. They’re too busy busting the president for saying that children rarely get the Wuhan coronavirus.

Americans had a message for these characters. Just like with Occupy, this isn’t going to end well for them. Safe to say, they got badly ratioed for this.

For all the bravado, it didn't start well, and they initially pussed out.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julio...iege-suffers-first-day-set-back-n2576411

But they eventually did lay the "seige" that they promised...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clashes-white-house-protest-unrest

All they did was injure 50 secret service agents, burn a historic church right across the stret from the White House, cover the outside walls with graffiti, and break up a ssidewalk into rocks to throw at and injure police. And create enough of a threat that Secret Service urged President Trump to leave the White House and shelter him in the bunker created to protect from nucleat attack.

Nothing too serious. I think part of why Trump walked a day later across the street to the re-opened church is to force the media to show images of just how bad the destruction was to the White House and church, during BLM's "peaceful" seige.

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I'd forgotten, amid all the chaos of the last year, that the more destructive BLM / Antifa seige on the White House was back in late May 2020, that was more successful.

But regardless, M E M, your side has unleashed ****WAY***** more destruction on Washington DC, and on the entire country, than the Trump supporters ever will, or even plan to.



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Biden in the real world denounced violence, looting and arsong-man. You guys now seem to realize the difference between peaceful protesters that attend a rally than those that than go and storm the capital. Some apparently with the plan of hunting down elected officials and executing them. I don’t think it’s sunk in with you guys that this attack on the capital by trumpers has changed things.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Biden in the real world denounced violence, looting and arsong-man. You guys now seem to realize the difference between peaceful protesters that attend a rally than those that than go and storm the capital. Some apparently with the plan of hunting down elected officials and executing them. I don’t think it’s sunk in with you guys that this attack on the capital by trumpers has changed things.

Not "Trumpers"...

LEFT-WING *ANTIFA* ACTIVIST CHARGED BY FBI, FOR INFILTRATING AND INCITING CAPITOL RIOTS, OPENLY GLOATING IN HIS OWN VIDEOS ABOUT *PRETENDING* TO BE TRUMP SUPPORTERS, TO FRAME TRUMP SUPPORTERS FOR VIOLENCE

It has been proven that these riots were PLANNED A MONTH BEFORE Trump gave his speech on Jan 6, and the violence that day began at 12:40 PM.
Trump began speaking at 12 noon, and did not finish speaking until 1:11 PM.
If his followers were "incited" by Trump's speech it would have taken them 45 minutes to walk from the White House where Trump was speaking, to the Capitol where the violence occurred.

In further irony, Parler was shut down allegedly because of allegations of "hate speech" on their website forum that incited violence. But the FBI's facts show the planning of these violent attacks occurred ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER *NOT* on Parler.
And yet Facebook and Twitter are up and running, and Parler is shut down.

What's changed is the Democrat/Left is in the process of creating their own "burning of the Reichstag" moment, and their own "Kristallnacht", to rationalize the shutdown of all dissenting conservative thought, under the veil of "Trump supporter violence", that is in truth Antifa planned and stoked violence. Unlike in 1933 and 1938 Germany, there is self-incriminating video and social media posts by the Antifa perpetrators, and I'm frankly surprised the Democrat-controlled FBI hasn't buried it to support the liberal media and the Democrat/Left's narrative. But I'm grateful the FBI are not so compromised as to do that yet.

And here's Biden's strong stance against violence:
"I wish we were both in high school so I could take him [Trump] behind the gym..."

If a buffoon like Biden ever took someone behind the gym, Biden is the one who probably ended up in the dirt, with an atomic wedgie.

Biden was also, during the last 8 months unable to ever criticize BLM riots, looting and burning cities nationwide, during the last 8 months. Neither Biden or the rest of your Democrat-Bolshevik party have been willing to criticize their brownshirt intimidation arm in either BLM or Antifa. Not one of them.

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Looking at all who have been identified so far WB, yes it was trumpers that stormed the capital and vandalized it. There were also far right members participating in arson and some more cop killing at the Floyd protests too. The one guy from the left that was filming the trumpers isn’t going to make up for the huge mob of Trump voters that were came to the capital after Trump told them they had to fight like hell. And what exactly was Pence supposed to do on the 6th that would have been constitutional other than what he did? Trump lost and because he’s a pos he sent a mob to the capital that resulted in people getting killed. One cop killed another taking life afterwards. All because Trump wouldn’t accept the will of the people. And there may be even more besides his inciting the mob. Like I said I think you don’t realize the ramifications of what happened now that a far right mob did this to our capital. It’s like 9/11 but instead of foreign terrorists it was domestic with red MAGA hats.

And Biden made it a talking point that while peaceful protests are a right, the criminal acts were not. He even plans on increasing the number of cops in neighborhoods.


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Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
Looking at all who have been identified so far WB, yes it was trumpers that stormed the capital and vandalized it. There were also far right members participating in arson and some more cop killing at the Floyd protests too. The one guy from the left that was filming the trumpers isn’t going to make up for the huge mob of Trump voters that were came to the capital after Trump told them they had to fight like hell. And what exactly was Pence supposed to do on the 6th that would have been constitutional other than what he did? Trump lost and because he’s a pos he sent a mob to the capital that resulted in people getting killed. One cop killed another taking life afterwards. All because Trump wouldn’t accept the will of the people. And there may be even more besides his inciting the mob. Like I said I think you don’t realize the ramifications of what happened now that a far right mob did this to our capital. It’s like 9/11 but instead of foreign terrorists it was domestic with red MAGA hats.

And Biden made it a talking point that while peaceful protests are a right, the criminal acts were not. He even plans on increasing the number of cops in neighborhoods.



You're such a Bolshevik propagandist liar, M E M

. FBI ARRESTED ANTIFA MEMBER JOHN SULLIVAN. Sullivan is directly responsible for the only shooting of a civilian, Ashley Babbitt. SULLIVAN WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE, <<<CAUGHT ON VIDEO>>> TALKING TO THE OFFICERS, DELIBERATELY PANICKING THEM, WHILE ALSO (PRETENDING TO BE A TRUMP SUPPORTER) PUSHING TRUMP SUPPORTERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL TO SMASH THROUGH WINDOWS, SO POLICE WOULD SHOOT AT THEM!

The only other death that day was Capitol police officer Sicknick who had a fire hydrant thrown at him, whose attacker is presently unidentified. And again, Trump supporters are respecters of law enforcement, I think it far more likely that it was an Antifa infiltrator who did it. We'll have to wait and see for confirmation on that one.
But there were only two people killed, if both are killed by Antifa, the remaining Capitol "violence" doesn't rise to the level of what BLM typically has done in hundreds of cities nationwide in the last 8 months. One of the two deaths is clearly Antifa-caused. If the second one turnss out to be caused by an Antifa member as well, then your allegations against "Trump supporter violence" rings pretty hollow. If all the violence was by John Sullivan and his Antifa band of merry infiltrators, who PRETENDING TO BE A TRUMP SUPPORTER, solicited Trump supporters to smash a few windows and steal a few things from House Democrat offices they otherwise never would have done, then I would say this is entirely an Antifa event.

I don't see that any Trump supporters are being charged with more serious crimes than criminal trespass and some minor vandalism. The evidence, the VIDEO evidence, that Facebook and Twitter evidence, of the more serious crimes are all pointing to Antifa.

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Originally Posted by MisterJLA


Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
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Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this

Big frigging deal.
It was a 25-second video clip, he said he had clash with a protester, and then half-jokingly, laughing, said "It was my pleasure to take out a white nationalist insurrectionist." He DIDN'T say After investigating his criminal record and ssocial media posts he was PROVEN to be a white nationalist. All he did was make a snarky remark. And for him to assume that any Trump supporter, even one who clashes with police, is immediately assumed to be a white nationalist, says quite a bit. I'd assume he is a registered Democrat and voted for Biden, and has a contempt for Trump voters in general.

So ultimately, what does this 25-second video prove? Absolutely nothing.


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Notice he said "white nationalist" not undercover antifa operatives...

WB try watching this

Big frigging deal.
It was a 25-second video clip, he said he had clash with a protester, and then half-jokingly, laughing, said "It was my pleasure to take out a white nationalist insurrectionist." He DIDN'T say After investigating his criminal record and ssocial media posts he was PROVEN to be a white nationalist. All he did was make a snarky remark. And for him to assume that any Trump supporter, even one who clashes with police, is immediately assumed to be a white nationalist, says quite a bit. I'd assume he is a registered Democrat and voted for Biden, and has a contempt for Trump voters in general.

So ultimately, what does this 25-second video prove? Absolutely nothing.

Just a tip WB, when someone who defended our capital says “they” don’t bother trying to lie and make it sound like one protester. Than again at this point you can’t be worried about being credible.


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Originally Posted by M E M
Just a tip WB, when someone who defended our capital says “they” don’t bother trying to lie and make it sound like one protester. Than again at this point you can’t be worried about being credible.

He cited no facts, M E M. He just made a snarky remark. And you hold that up as gospel truth, based on absolutely no facts.

The stay at home "Mr Mom" crazy hippie-blogger Trump-supporter dad who stole Nancy Pelosi's podium was arrested, but never identified by FBI or police as a "white racist."

The guy who was arrested for sitting at Nancy Pelosi's desk was a Trump supporter, but while he got into some mischief(sat at Pelosi's desk and stole some of her personal letters) , was NOT identified as a racist or ideologically extreme. He even apologized and expressed embarassment about the shame he brought on his family to have done what he did.

So... I don't see where you have any superior claim on the facts, that they are proven "white supremacists", or even that the one guy this particular cop took out was seriously a white supremacist. I know literally thousands of Trump supporters, and I don't know one who is a "white supremacist" or radical, as you lyingly try to label every Trump supporter.

. The Christian lady from Texas who Mr JLA holds up as the "proof" that Trump "incited" people to riot in the Capitol (who was arrested basically just for trespassing, not for violence), was she a "white supremacist" ?

You're full of shit, M E M. Factless insinuation on your part.

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I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.


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Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I don’t consider every trump supporter a white nationalist. I also see a difference between the peaceful protesters that went to the rally that didn’t storm the Capital riot and those that did. A difference Trump didn’t use for the largely peaceful protesters from this last summer btw. Now everyone can see the threat pro-trump terrorists pose to our country and hopefully finally treat it like other terrorism.


The reason both Trump, myself and most conservatives don't make that distinction with the BLM protesters is because BLM protesters burned and looted HUNDREDS OF CITIES. For BLM in 275 cities nationwide, wasn't limited to just a few sections of one building as it was on Jan 6th. In your native Minneapolis, BLM burned and destroyed over 500 businesses in just that one city. Five entire miles of burned businesses! And in BLM's founding written charter, they clearly identify themselves as a Marxist organization dedicated to overthrow of the United States Government, and "destruction of the nuclear family" (one of the 3 "pillars of democracy" Cultural Marxists dedicate themselves to destroying: nationalism/patriotism, Christianity, and the traditional nuclear family, all 3 are centers of belief that interfere with marxist indoctrination).
Also, the Democrats and liberal media were very dismissive of the mass destruction by BLM, one CNN reporter Ari-what's-his-name stood with the whole horizon behind him on fire, and laughably said "mostly peaceful protests". Both Democrats and CNN/liberal media reporters, far from condemning the BLM violence, called it "justifiable". There's absolutely no sympathy from the same liberal Newspeak liars for the protesters on January 6th.

NO ONE on the conservative side is saying the Jan 6th attacks on police in the Capitol, whether the attackers are by BLM/Antifa infiltrators, or by actual Trump supporters, are in any way justified. And where Democrats were cheering on the BLM violence in cities nationwide ALL SUMMER LONG, Trump and other Republicans immediately called for a cessation of violence, and further , Trump said that no one initiating violence truly represents him.
Personally, I think Trump supporters lose their moral high ground by retaliating with the same violence as the Democrats, but I wish the Republicans would make a more vigorous legal opposition to the election. And when Republicans are limited to peaceful protest, while Democrats will kill or attack people who disagree with them, guess who's going to win. And when Republican leaders like Pence and other Republican senators like Lindsey Graham sell out their own side, betraying the will off those who (in Graham's case) just re-elected him to defend them(!!), it would take the wisdom of Solomon to figure out how to deal with that betrayal and get actual conservative representation for Graham's voters. Certainly not from Graham himself. That bastard promised his voters he'd stand up for them, got Trump's cvampaaign support, and weeks later folded in an embarassing display, and he gets away with it and enjoys another 6 years in power, for SELLING OUT his voters, just days after they voted for him. That should not be permitted.

I'm still not convinced that any Trump supporters actually wanted to kill Pelosi or Pence, and beyond someone's sayso, I don't see that there's any evidence of that. The only person deliberately killed was Ashli Babbitt, shot by a Capitol police officer, stoked into firing on her by BLM leader Jon Sullivan (who vidotaped the shooting!)

It's still not proven that officer Sicknick was killed by a Trump supporter.

But regardless, the scale of casualties is far lower than in any of the 275 cities with BLM protests, or during the BLM seige on the White House in late May 2020 by BLM that injured 50 Secret Service agents. For which Washington DC mayor Bowser re-named a park in the insurrectionsits' honor !
The Democrats' endorsement of that BLM violence, in cities nationwide, is so far beyond the pale, it's a joke to put this Capitol incident on the same scale, in any kind of a moral equivalency.

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Most of the protesters for BLM didn’t burn and loot though WB. Nor did any of our democratic leaders call the arsonists and looters special people that they loved like Trump did with the mob he incited. He lost a fair election and because he’s willing to lie and try every way he can to overturn the election several people died including 2 officers. Our symbol of democracy vandalized for the world to see. Now there is intelligence that all 50 capitals could be under attack by pro-trump terrorists as well as the inauguration. The elected officials that had to scramble for their lives now have to worry more than ever about their lives.


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