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Then I went downstairs, and noticed that on TV all the news stations, both international (we get CNN and BBC) and Australian were playing footage. Only then did I realise how big it was. I started to get a sick feeling then.

At school, the television in the student lounge was turned on and my class was gathered to watch the news. There was a weird silence over everyone.

For the last three days I've had the sick feeling that were seeing the start of something very big and very bad.

In Canada, it closed the U.S./Canadian border, and all of Canada's airports and national monuments as well.

In Germany, the German government scrambled to provide adequate protection for American embassies, schools, and other areas frequented by Americans.

For those of you from outside the U.S. who are unfamiliar with the areas the terrorism took place, try the link to the local Fort Lauderdale, Florida newspaper website below.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com

Especially interesting is the explanation of the structural weak points of the buildings, as explained by skyscraper architects and engineers.

There are also very readable maps of chronological flight paths, of the hijacked planes, and animated simulations of the Trade Center towers and Pentagon crashes, that helped clarify for me what happened.

The Pentagon is located directly across the Potomac river from Washington, D.C.

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Rob Kamphausen, posted 12-14-2002 04:38 PM

http://www.robkamphausen.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=27;t=000543
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WTC SEPTEMBER 11th DEATH TOLL DROPS TO 2,792
By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - The tally of people lost in the Sept. 11 attacks has dropped, with three people reported missing in the World Trade Center being confirmed as alive, city officials said.

Police Inspector Jeremiah Quinlan, who heads the massive missing persons effort, said Friday that investigators have spoken with the three people.

The discovery reduces the city's official count of people killed or reported missing in the terrorist attack to 2,792.

Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the city medical examiner, identified the three as Jeffrey Montgomery, of St. Joseph, Mo.; William Yemele, of Gaithersburg, Md.; and Oliva Khemrat, of Jersey City, N.J.

But Khemrat's mother insists her daughter is still missing and said she was not informed of the change to the list. "They can't just take my child's name off without telling the family," Meena Bhiro said.

She said her daughter's correct full name is Olivia Bhowanie Devi Khemraj and she was last seen leaving for a job interview at the trade center Sept. 11.

Police found Khemraj in late September this year and have encouraged her to call her mother, Lt. Kenneth Ling said Friday. He said police also left messages with Bhiro.

"We understand that the relationship is strained and that they are not speaking with each other," Ling said.

Bhiro did not return a call Friday seeking further comment.

Details on the other two people were not released.

The list of missing still could change as further errors are uncovered, Borakove said.

The three names plus six other mistaken cases were included among the 2,801 victims' names read at a Sept. 11, 2002, anniversary ceremony, and some are memorialized on a temporary fence at the trade center site.

Of the 2,792 people believed lost in the attack, 1,439 have been identified — just nine in the last month, Borakove said. She said the identification process has not slowed as dramatically as the numbers seem to indicate, but rather that recent identifications matched victims already confirmed dead.

The toll does not include the 10 hijackers who died at the trade center.

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Originally posted by Beardguy57:
[QBThat was brave of you to stop to comfort others during the attack. Brave, and quite compassionate.

...I hope I would have been as brave as you were on that tragic day. [/QB]

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Originally posted by the G-man:
I was in my office.

When my secretary told that a plane had hit the WTC, my first reaction was "don't worry, it it was probably a light aircraft by accident, it's happened before and everyone was okay.

Obviously, as time went on, it quickly appeared that it wasn't going to be okay.

At some in the morning, I remembered that my ex-girlfriend had an office near the WTC. I sent her an email, asking her if she was all right.

I never got an answer.

At first I didn't worry too much since, as it came all too clear, people couldn't necessary access their email.

Also, my friend had married someone she had confided to me was abusive and she was thinking of leaving him. So I couldn't be sure that she hadn't. And I certainly couldn't call her house and ask her husband.

So I waited and wondered. I hoped for the best. But I couldn't escape this nagging feeling.

Six months later, our college magazine published a tribute to alumni who had died in September 11. There was her picture. Her wedding picture, in fact.

According to the story, that morning, my friend had left her office to attend a meeting in the WTC. She was never heard from again. She left behind several pets, a widowed father and her asshole of a husband. Who, of course, was portrayed as grieving spouse.

Maybe my friend never would have left her husband. But the terrorists took that chance away. They took away her future. Hers and thousands of other persons'. For no real reason other than they hated our country and our culture.

They took away her future.
They took away thousands of futures.
They'll take away more if we give them the chance.

Let's make sure we take away theirs first.

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Originally posted by Wednesday:
I was on the U.S.S. George Washington. We were on our way back from a three-week underway when word got out. Within minutes (literally), every berthing, office, and work area on the ship had their TVs glued to CNN.

The GW changed course and headed to N.Y and we spent the next few days guarding the N.Y. border against any possible attack by the sea or air, plust lending support at ground zero. Also, any crew members who could be spared (including myself, briefly) were sent in to help with the attempts to find survivors and clean up.

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Hal Lindsey, from
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34542 :

THE POLITICIZING OF SEPTEMBER 11th:
ARE WE AT WAR, OR NOT?
by Hal Lindsey

Most Democrats are playing politics with the security of the U.S.

In their zeal to discredit President Bush, they are covering over the fact that we are at war with a determined enemy who is motivated by religious passion to destroy us.

The Muslim fundamentalists do not hate us because of something we did or will do to them. They hate us because of who we are. They believe we [ the U.S. ] are the world bastion of Judeo-Christian civilization, whether the liberals in this country think so or not. In their view, this places us as the number one threat to their Islamic culture.

The Koran and the Hadith, the two foundational holy books of Islam, teach that there is a fight to the finish between their civilization and ours. Muhammad taught that the world is divided into two spheres: Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb – "the house of peace and the house of war." Mohammad believed everything outside of Islamic control is Dar al harb or "the house of war."

The so-called "moderate Muslims" can only be moderate as long as they do not take literally what Muhammad, the Koran and the Hadith teach. The fundamentalists do take them literally and therefore have a much stronger basis of their faith that endures the challenges of other cultures.

For the liberals to be arguing over the $87 billion to secure Iraq is like two people arguing over how much to tip the waiters on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.

For Sen. Hillary Clinton to allege that we have created more enemies by invading Iraq is not only irresponsible, but reflects a total ignorance of the enemy that threatens us.

We did nothing to provoke the wanton attacks of the Muslim terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. The only reason they didn't destroy it then was because of a technical miscalculation, not lack of desire. But the same group did succeed Sept. 11, 2001, when they also hit the Pentagon. The only reason they didn't hit the White House is because of some courageous passengers on another hijacked airliner that was caused to crash short of its target in Pennsylvania.

The liberals are so intent upon destroying President Bush, that they have completely dismissed the danger that Iraq posed to the U.S.
Iraq was a supporter of Islamic terrorism and developed weapons that would have been used by terrorists against the free world.

The successful war on Iraq has also served as a clear warning to other Islamic nations who continuously support and supply Islamic terrorists – including al-Qaida – such as Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Libya.

The war on Iraq is just one battle in a long war that we must fight against Islamic terrorism. We did not choose this war. But we have no alternative but to fight it.
So $87 billion in light of the danger we face is not a great sum of money. After all, isn't it far better to fight the terrorists there and rebuild Iraqi cities than to fight them here and rebuild American cities?

Some of the Democratic presidential hopefuls are crying that since al-Qaida is now in Iraq, we need to get our troops out as fast as possible. They say our troops are now "sitting ducks" to be picked off by al-Qaida. Their solution is to turn tail and run. How cowardly and irresponsible can they get? They are certainly not qualified to lead America and provide security in this perilous time.

It's the terrorists and al-Qaida who are becoming sitting ducks. We now know where to find them. Our troops have either killed or captured many of them. The liberal media only report our casualties, not the tremendous damage our troops are inflicting on them.

President Bush said this would be a long and tough war against worldwide Islamic terrorist organizations. We have done well in this war in the two years since 9-11. We do not have the alternative to give up and run. Any sign of weakness – any signs of lack of resolve – in facing our determined enemy will be interpreted by them as weakness. The Muslim fundamentalists will see it as a sign to move in for the kill.

Sen. Ted Kennedy keeps calling for an exit strategy. He needs to remember that our enemy is resourceful, numerous and relentless. We are not just fighting a couple of nations. We are fighting a religious movement that is multinational and numbers in the millions. There is no way to exit from the threat they pose. We need to remember that we still have troops in Japan and Germany who are there as a result of World War II. Where is the exit strategy there?

So we must stay the course and fight with all our might and resources. The alternative is to be destroyed as a world power. And don't think they cannot do that if left unchallenged.
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Read this column and many other fine commentaries in today's WorldNetDaily

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