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Watched it. Not very impressed. Not Davies worst, though. Once again, there were a lot of good ideas though the 'villains' in this one was pretty weak. It's also more of Davies coming back to concepts and characters he's done the previous seasons.
Oh, and now we get to look forward to ANOTHER Dalek story.  And this one's a two parter.
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Plus, it had that really unfunny Irish comedian in it. Could some of you Brits let me know if that dude is popular over there or something. I find him pretty bland.
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Man, you're certainly getting hard to please. I thought the episode was pretty fucking good. And, although I never laughed at the catguy, I also didn't realize he was supposed to be funny.
Also, nice use of an old, Troughton-era villian (it was Troughton, right?), as well as the emotions from all the people. Thought the story and concept behind it was tight, and am really liking Martha's evolution as just a normal companion. Their conversation at the end, about the beauty of Gallifrey was awesome. I mean, we've seen it in the old episodes. But, the description really allowed me to reboot all of that, and think about how gorgeous it would be with modern effects. And, speaking of the effects, they were pretty damn flawless in this.
Not to mention, what about The Face of Boe's secret, eh? This could get very interesting.
As for the next episode, the only thing I could cringe on is a lot of Brit actors doing bad American accents...
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As for the next episode, the only thing I could cringe on is a lot of Brit actors doing bad American accents...
Trust me, you haven't suffered until you've heard an American try an Australian accent; sounds like a bastardised mutation of Cockney.
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Man, you're certainly getting hard to please. I thought the episode was pretty fucking good. And, although I never laughed at the catguy, I also didn't realize he was supposed to be funny.
I thought is had a good premise. I just think that Davies is too stuck on recycling characters from past episodes to have made it as good as it should have been. I think I'd have enjoyed the episode more had the motorway been part of some devious plan. The upper city trying to solve an overburdening and overpopulating lower class problem. Or the monsters themselves having concocted the plan as a way to feed themselves from an almost limitless supply of food. The way it came off, instead, is that the Face of Boe was a dick for not reprogramming the computer to keep people out of the fast lane and harm. And I don't want Davies putting more of his gay agenda in show either. We get it. You made Capt. Jack multisexual. We bought it. We don't need anymore.
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The main reason Jack is gay/bi is that he really is gay in real life!
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The main reason Jack is gay/bi is that he really is gay in real life!
Or is it because Davies is gay in real life?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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So you dont think its possible for a gay man to suggest his character be gay?
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It is possible. The question is, was the character created that way and then cast or the other way around?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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But there you go.
You dont know which way round it is, so how can you say its Davies agenda without actually knowing whos decision it was?
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You're right. The guy who created 'Queer as Folk' is not going to be using television as a means to normalize homosexuality. By the way, it's ultimately Davies decision as he's the executive producer. It doesn't make it to screen without his 'ok'.
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What does it matter what he created before?
Stephen King created Christine and drives cars, but it doesnt mean all his books are about cars!
I think you will find that even as exec prod, the stars and the BBC have more than just a little bit of input into the show!
To just say "Oh he is gay, created a gay show and is trying to infiltrate everything with gay!" is a bit shallow!
The fact we live in an age where gay people are a lot more prominant, would suggest that its gonna reflect in tv shows.
And its hardly dominant in the Doctor Who episodes.
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What does it matter what he created before?
Stephen King created Christine and drives cars, but it doesnt mean all his books are about cars!
But many of his stories do include menacing machines that threaten human safety and life. It actually is a theme that runs in many of his books.
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I think you will find that even as exec prod, the stars and the BBC have more than just a little bit of input into the show!
To just say "Oh he is gay, created a gay show and is trying to infiltrate everything with gay!" is a bit shallow!
The fact we live in an age where gay people are a lot more prominant, would suggest that its gonna reflect in tv shows.
And its hardly dominant in the Doctor Who episodes.
I have no problem with gay characters. But when you go out of your way to make sure that everyone knows that they're gay when it has nothing to do with the story is being a little pushy on how you think others should perceive it. We didn't have to know that the two old ladies were married. Subtlety could be used to bring that across without having to verbalize it.
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We didn't have to know that the two old ladies were married. Subtlety could be used to bring that across without having to verbalize it.
Agree with you there. Not because it bothered me. But, because there was no reason to tell the audience they were gay, when, near the end of the episode when the hymns are being sung, they hold hands in a very tender, touching moment. That moment was much more "normal" and beautiful than a very stretched, lame joke about the catguy not wanting to accept they were married...
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In other news...finished the first disc of the first season. Didn't think I'd enjoy the 'End of the World' one because aliens and future stuff just doesn't cut it for me, but it was an awesome episode.
The one with Dickens flippin' rocked. The end.
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In other news...finished the first disc of the first season. Didn't think I'd enjoy the 'End of the World' one because aliens and future stuff just doesn't cut it for me, but it was an awesome episode.
The one with Dickens flippin' rocked. The end.
Awesome CJ. Glad you're digging it. Keep us posted on your progress. It's always fun to hear a newbies reviews on Doctor Who... 
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Heh, cool Tom Baker avatar, Pro.
I kinda envy CJ... She's just beginning to experience Dr Who.
I first got into the show back in fall 1983....I remember drawing TARDIS's in my notebooks, talking about DR Who with anyone who'd listen, being quite happy whenever I met another fan, reading Dr Who magazines,
painting a Tom Baker as 4 th Dr portrait, etc.
Seeing all of Tom's episodes.. and Pertwee, Hartnell, and Troughton... for the first time.. it was like magic.
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Finished the second disc...did I mention how much I love Netflix?
Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
I assume that retro talking toolbox that looked like R2-D2 on an acid trip was from a previous Dr. Who series. That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode, although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane. Actually, I understood nothing in that episode, and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
Also, in the beginning of the robot episode, Dr. Who was looking at the head of a white robot and mentioned it was an enemy. Who was it?
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Finished the second disc...did I mention how much I love Netflix?
Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
I assume that retro talking toolbox that looked like R2-D2 on an acid trip was from a previous Dr. Who series. That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode, although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane. Actually, I understood nothing in that episode, and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
Also, in the beginning of the robot episode, Dr. Who was looking at the head of a white robot and mentioned it was an enemy. Who was it?
It was the head of a Cyberman. Robot fuckers from the planet Mondas. I was always more afraid of the Cybermen. Daleks tell you everything straight. Those Cyberfuckers would lie to you.
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Are you talking about the episode with the guy in Utah with the museum? I thought there were no Cybermen in season 1? Weren't they all Daleks?
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Just it's head was in season one. Besides it was a proper Cyberman head not the season 2 "Cybermen". Really, in this new series you have never seen Cybermen.
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Anyways, I have seen the episode with the female S-alien, so watching the two earlier episodes with her brothers explained a lot.
Yeah, not my favorite storyline, really. Too much farting..
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Yep, they're called "Daleks". And, they're considered his greatest of all enemies. They've been around pretty much from the start of the series, first appearing in the second episode back in 1963...
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That being said, it was a very sad sort of episode,
You'd be sad too if they wiped out your entire race...
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although I'm still not sure how Rose touching it made it go insane.
They can absorb energy/power through genetic contact. When she touched it (as it tricked her into doing), it absorbed just enough from her to recharge to full power. The "go insane" part is merely just it's basic nature. Daleks have one purpose, and one purpose only: destroy all lifeforms in the universe, except themselves. The ultimate racial purifiers.
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Actually, I understood nothing in that episode,
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and a little miffed that they made a corny captailist-American villian (wow, how original), but I enjoyed it for the ride.
I hear you. Although, in the series defense...I don't think Who has ever done that angle before. Usually they pick on the Germans (you know the Brits still haven't forgiven them for the Blitz).
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As Jaburg explained, they're cyborg creatures called "Cybermen". They also first appeared back in the 60's, and could be considered the Doc's second or third worst enemy.
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Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7. 
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What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
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Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7.
Terror Of The Zygons!
Love that episode!
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What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
Hmmm...I guess I can kind of see that. I imagine going into it with pre-knowledge of them sort of filled in the gaps, and I didn't notice there being anything confusing. Still, it was merely set up to be: Unstoppable bad guy Doctor has met before. They set it up like that, and didn't download a lot of info, because they didn't want to confuse newbies. Heh. Interesting how TPTB in media never quite pick up on the above-average intelligence of their viewers...
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Of all the who villains, the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master were the biggest villains, but only one enemy ever scared me shitless as a kid, and I actually hid behind the sofa when I was 6 or 7.
Yeah, no shit! I saw them when I was the same age. The way they rasped and whispered when they spoke kind of weirded me out, too...
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What made it so confusing? I thought it was pretty open for any and all newbies.
This is the one episode I didn't watch until after the season ended and the only reason I understood it better was because I had seen later episodes and everyone here explaining the whole Dalek thing to me. Not explaining the Daleks better was my biggest problem with season one.
Hmmm...I guess I can kind of see that. I imagine going into it with pre-knowledge of them sort of filled in the gaps, and I didn't notice there being anything confusing. Still, it was merely set up to be: Unstoppable bad guy Doctor has met before. They set it up like that, and didn't download a lot of info, because they didn't want to confuse newbies. Heh. Interesting how TPTB in media never quite pick up on the above-average intelligence of their viewers...
I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Maybe that's not a good example...
And assuming I'm not totally wiped out tonight (almost went to the ER at four this morning) I'll watch the next disc.
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I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Actually, the Cybermen (the robot head you saw in the case) are very much the inspiration for The Borg; cybernetic beings who want to remake all life-forms in their image.
The Daleks are, like you said, nothing but killing machines. They exist for nothing but the slaughter.
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I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Not every enemy on a Sci-Fi show are like the borg. There's a lot of really interesting backstory between The Doctor and the Daleks but I won't try to explain it when someone else here can do it better. You will also learn more about them later in the last couple episodes.
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What happened?
Try to make it at least through the world war 2 episodes, those are my favorite of the season.
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I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Actually, the Cybermen (the robot head you saw in the case) are very much the inspiration for The Borg; cybernetic beings who want to remake all life-forms in their image.
Aye. Cybermen were turning people into robots 20 years before the Borg.
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I think the concept of the Dalek was just a little foreign to begin with. Which is odd now that I think about it, because they are kind of like the Borg? Just fueled with a desire to kill living things, right? And both are kind of hypocritical for being organic beings themselves masquarading as robots. But I suppose the Borg are into the whole 'join us' thing and the Darleks are just like 'die motherfuckers'.
Maybe that's not a good example...
The Daleks are Nazis. Plain and simple. Torrent Doctor Who: Genesis of the Daleks, and you'll see why. They are uber xenophobes. It's because of their being genetic engineered and using the mechanical bodies that they are superior. No other life form comes close to their perfection, so all life forms must die.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLp1nFIUPEThe most concise summation of the Dalek philosophy can be found starting at Four minutes Fifty seconds.
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Saw Gridlock last night, liked it but had some problems with it. It had some nice character bits but it didn't reall deliver on something the series has been building up to IMHO. Plus while I liked the conceptthe plot was pretty weak.
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Adrian Tullberg said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLp1nFIUPE
The most concise summation of the Dalek philosophy can be found starting at Four minutes Fifty seconds.
Thank you for posting that Dr Who clip, Adrian.... I watched all 5 parts, and it was superb!
That was easily the best Eccelston episode I have ever seen!
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok.
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Damn! I can't decide who to vote for. The Borg and The Daleks appear to be evenly matched. Both have destroyed entire civilizations. Both have one thing in mind : To accomplish their goal at al costs.
Daleks want to kill all humans. All other lifeforms, too.
Borg want to assimulate all races they come into contact with. They destroy those who resist.
Hmm.....
Okay... I voted for the Daleks.
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok.
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Matter-eater Man said:
Saw Gridlock last night, liked it but had some problems with it. It had some nice character bits but it didn't reall deliver on something the series has been building up to IMHO. Plus while I liked the conceptthe plot was pretty weak.
Agreed.
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thedoctor said:
Watched it. Not very impressed. Not Davies worst, though. Once again, there were a lot of good ideas though the 'villains' in this one was pretty weak. It's also more of Davies coming back to concepts and characters he's done the previous seasons.
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I thought is had a good premise. I just think that Davies is too stuck on recycling characters from past episodes to have made it as good as it should have been. I think I'd have enjoyed the episode more had the motorway been part of some devious plan. The upper city trying to solve an overburdening and overpopulating lower class problem. Or the monsters themselves having concocted the plan as a way to feed themselves from an almost limitless supply of food. The way it came off, instead, is that the Face of Boe was a dick for not reprogramming the computer to keep people out of the fast lane and harm.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
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