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As the mod... shouldn't you be trying to be as professional and impartial as possible?
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Dude.....you're getting a copy of brokeback mountain. 
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Maybe it was a good thing that Brokeback didn't win best picture. The backlash gays are getting just for the movie being nominated & the awards it did receive kind of caught me by surprise.
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Jim, G, wanna, lady:
It's just a movie.
That's acctually my point.
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Agreed. Implying that Brokeback Mountain losing the Oscar is proof that Americans are taking a stand against some Hollywood PC revolution is just silly.
Nobody cares.
This isn't about the Oscar.
It's about guys like WBAM ... making inferences on a film THEY HAVE NOT SEEN.
Really? You know that I haven't seen teh movie? Have I said that I haven't seen it? Also in my post I said very little about the film itself, I commented on the fat that the author was such a sore loser and seemed to say that the film should have one because of the topic it presented rather that the quility of the film in comparrison to the other contenders. But I did make one comment on teh film... lets see, what was it that I said that has you so offended.. that's right I said:
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Brokeback deserved it's nominations because it was a quality film.
As far as me seeing it, you just assume that because I'm not gay I haven't seen it. Perhaps guys like JJ shouldn't comment on posts THEY HAVE NOT READ.
Seriously, if you're trying to demonstrate what the stereotype of the martyred homosexual is then you're doing an outstanding job. If you're acctually trying to make a point asside from that then you're moving backwards not forwards.
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Seriously, if you're trying to demonstrate what the stereotype of the martyred homosexual is then you're doing an outstanding job. If you're acctually trying to make a point asside from that then you're moving backwards not forwards.
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fine, glad you saw it. hoped it made you think.
Martyred? Give me a break.
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You know, for most of you, this movie is just a movie about a couple of "gay cowboys."
For others, especially those such as myself, it speaks to and presents an aspect of our personal condition. I know what it is to be a gay man married to a woman. I know what it is to feel unable for so many years to express who I really am because of familial and societal standards. In many ways, this movie tells a bit of my story. It's an added benefit that it's a mainstream movie featuring A list actors who treated Annie's story and characters with respect and did so in an unflinching manner with respect to the love between the two main characters.
Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie; a story isn't just a story. To those who can't see that, I wonder if any form of literature can move you at all....
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I hear you Jimbo. This movie moved you and helped you sort out your own feelings about the subject. If nothing else it comforted you to know that there are others like you out there. Over the years there have been many movies, books, or cds that inspired me and made me feel better. No one is denying this movie did that for you and was a well directed, well acted movie. I don't need to see it to know that.
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Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie; a story isn't just a story. To those who can't see that, I wonder if any form of literature can move you at all....
It's always just that. If one needs to look to media for personal validation of any kind...well that individual is in a sad state.
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That's not true klint. Jim wasn't looking for vindication....he simply relates to the movie and said, "yeah,I've been there".
That's happened to me plenty of times watching a movie.
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Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie; a story isn't just a story. To those who can't see that, I wonder if any form of literature can move you at all....
It's always just that. If one needs to look to media for personal validation of any kind...well that individual is in a sad state.
You really are thick, aren't you? Stick with drinking and smoking. That's your best chance to reach any kind of enlightenment.
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That's not true klint. Jim wasn't looking for vindication....
Yeah, he is. "Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie..." and getting obviously agitated that people don't share his reverence fot the film...
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he's just passionate about it.
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he's just passionate about it.
As far as I can remember, there are absolutely no pink plastic ponies in the film....so why would anyone bother to be passionate about it?
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That's not true klint. Jim wasn't looking for vindication....
Yeah, he is. "Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie..." and getting obviously agitated that people don't share his reverence fot the film...
I'm most "agitated" by those who comment on it without having seen it. G-Man is the biggest defendant in that one.
And what's wrong with looking for some vindication in a piece of art? If art doesn't speak to you, sounds to me like you're the one deserving pathos.
And you'll have to explain why that's a pathetic thing (psst, you making any remarks of what is pathetic is a sad case of the pot calling the kettle black, dear boy).
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Jim, did you see every single movie produced this year in the United States?
Because, if you didn't, then aren't you guilty, by your own logic, of having an uniformed opinion?
Unless you've seen every single film, you can't really say that BM was the best film of the year and most deserving of an Oscar, can you?
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I'm most "agitated" by those who comment on it without having seen it. G-Man is the biggest defendant in that one.
Why do you care? Not everyone wants to see a drama about two guys hoplessly in love. That's fair enough. We've all looked at a movie at one point or other and made our judgements based on it's premise.
People don't have to respect this movie just because you hold it dear. It's still just a movie.
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Jim, did you see every single movie produced this year in the United States?
Because, if you didn't, then aren't you guilty, by your own logic, of having an uniformed opinion?
Unless you've seen every single film, you can't really say that BM was the best film of the year and most deserving of an Oscar, can you?
Quote me where I said it should have won Best Picture. I said I was disappointed it didn't win, but I never said it deserved it over the other films. There is a difference, counselor. I haven't said one word about WALK THE LINE or CRASH or A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE or CAPOTE. I didn't see them.
I support Annie for speaking out if she feels that way.
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I hear you Jimbo. This movie moved you and helped you sort out your own feelings about the subject. If nothing else it comforted you to know that there are others like you out there. Over the years there have been many movies, books, or cds that inspired me and made me feel better. No one is denying this movie did that for you and was a well directed, well acted movie. I don't need to see it to know that.
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But how can you be "disappointed it didn't win" if you didn't see the other nominated films? If you had, you might have been not disappointed, having recognized that a superior film won.
Under your logic, unless and until you've seen all the nominated films you have no business saying, or even supporting, an argument that BM was deserving of a win over those films. Under your logic, unless and until you've seen Crash, Walk the Line, etc., you have no way of evaluating with "annie's" claims are valid.
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I know in my own head I can be disappointed a film I really liked didn't win even without having seen the other films. I'm disappointed that STAR WARS didn't win Best Picture, but I didn't see THE TURNING POINT. It's a matter of "Yeah, I liked that movie. It would have been nice if it had won because then I could say a movie I really liked, identified with, also won Best Pic."
Ok, you can dodge the issue all you want, that you want to sit here and make comments, often crass ones that I want to think are beneath you, about the movie without having seen it.
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You're insulted because I've made crass comments about a movie...on a message board that is 99% crass comments about movies?
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Didn't you once chide me for not working harder to be "above it all"?
If you wish to lump yourself in with BSAMS, be my guest.
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I know in my own head I can be disappointed a film I really liked didn't win even without having seen the other films. I'm disappointed that STAR WARS didn't win Best Picture, but I didn't THE TURNING POINT. It's a matter of "Yeah, I liked that movie. It would have been nice if it had won because then I could say a movie I really liked, identified with, also won Best Pic."
But you really need to see Crash, Jim. I'm telling you, it was the better movie. Once you see it, you'll understand.
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I support Annie for speaking out if she feels that way.
That's such BS, have the balls to say you agree with her opinion. It's such a cop out to say "I said she rocks because she has an opinion" I have an opinion and I voice it every day, you've never told me I rock. Rush Limbaugh devotes 3 entire hours a day to voicing his opinion and yet you've never praised him. Why do you hide from the fact that you agree with Aniie? Could it be because her position is one of bitterness and being a sore loser over her missed inflated royalties and while you agree you know you don't cctually have a reasonable defense without exposing your true beliefs.
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Ok, how's this? I support Annie for speaking out if she feels that way. Why do I support her and not a Rush Limbaugh? Well, for starters, I don't advocate against Rush being removed, so I guess I do support Rush speaking his narrow-minded mind.  But I still can't say that I feel BROKEBACK *deserved* the Oscar over the others. If Annie feels that it did, then more power to Annie. I don't see why that's such a stretch for you.
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So if the rest of us feel differently, more power to us too, right?
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So if the rest of us feel differently, more power to us too, right?
All I'm saying is that if you're going to comment on the movie, please see it first.
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Ok, how's this?
I support Annie for speaking out if she feels that way. Why do I support her and not a Rush Limbaugh? Well, for starters, I don't advocate against Rush being removed, so I guess I do support Rush speaking his narrow-minded mind.
But I still can't say that I feel BROKEBACK *deserved* the Oscar over the others. If Annie feels that it did, then more power to Annie.
I don't see why that's such a stretch for you.
You'll pardon me for saying that your whole "justification" here is just silly. Annie is biiter and wrong and you think that rocks. So be it.
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All I'm saying is that if you're going to comment on the movie, please see it first.
So you know, for a fact, that Annie saw all the other movies and, therefore, can have an objective and valid opinion that BM's loss was wrong?
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You know, for most of you, this movie is just a movie about a couple of "gay cowboys."
For others, especially those such as myself, it speaks to and presents an aspect of our personal condition. I know what it is to be a gay man married to a woman. I know what it is to feel unable for so many years to express who I really am because of familial and societal standards. In many ways, this movie tells a bit of my story. It's an added benefit that it's a mainstream movie featuring A list actors who treated Annie's story and characters with respect and did so in an unflinching manner with respect to the love between the two main characters.
Sometimes a movie isn't just a movie; a story isn't just a story. To those who can't see that, I wonder if any form of literature can move you at all....
Fair enough. I can understand why it means a lot to you.
For the record, I did think it was the best of the five movies nominated(and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm one of the few here who actually saw all five of those movies).
Now, while Annie Proulx is welcome to her opinion, don't you at least think that it undermines her cause to vocalize that opinion in a fairly classless manner? Even if she hated Crash, trashing it like that just gives ammunition to her cause's already numerous critics.
Brokeback Mountain was a great film. It was nominated for the highest award a film can receive. Furthermore, I think that, in a decade or two, it will probably be looked on as one of the most important films of the new millenium. There are so many positives here. She chose to dwell on the negatives.
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All I'm saying is that if you're going to comment on the movie, please see it first.
So you know, for a fact, that Annie saw all the other movies and, therefore, can have an objective and valid opinion that BM's loss was wrong?
OK, I interact with you. I don't interact with Annie.
But yeah, were I to speak to her, I would certainly tell her that she'd better have seen all the movies nominated before spouting off.
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Ok, how's this?
I support Annie for speaking out if she feels that way. Why do I support her and not a Rush Limbaugh? Well, for starters, I don't advocate against Rush being removed, so I guess I do support Rush speaking his narrow-minded mind.
But I still can't say that I feel BROKEBACK *deserved* the Oscar over the others. If Annie feels that it did, then more power to Annie.
I don't see why that's such a stretch for you.
You'll pardon me for saying that your whole "justification" here is just silly. Annie is biiter and wrong and you think that rocks. So be it.
You quote me where I said, "Annie is bitter, but she so rocks for being bitter." Thank you.
I'd rather see Annie express that whatever bitterness she feels than to sit at home and just stew on it.
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lol, you didn't even read my earlier posts, did you?
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Every time someone says Annie I keep thinking they're talking about me...
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