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and the very final Starrcade was even worse.
TRIPLE LADDER MATCH: Shane Helms & Shannon Moore beat Kaz Hayashi & Yang and Jamie Noble & Evan Karagias.. this might've been ok, simply for the added ladder stipulation. But I haven't seen it, so fuck it.
MATCH: Lance Storm defeated Ernest "The Cat" Miller.. basically Storm carrying Miller.
HARDCORE TITLE MATCH: Terry Funk defeated Crowbar to win the title! I love Funk, but he was just too damn old for this shite.
TAG TEAM MATCH: KroniK (Brian Adams & Bryan Clarke) defeated Big Vito & Reno.. KroniK was a great angle. Shame they couldn't get over in the E later. especially since they had such long history with them and both worked the style well.
AMBULANCE MATCH: Mike Awesome defeated Bam Bam Bigelow.. actually would like to see this.
US TITLE MATCH: General Rection defeated Shane Douglas by DQ to retain.. was hoping Douglas would win. this was near the end of his WCW run.
6-MAN TAG: The Harris Brothers & Jeff Jarrett defeated Konnan & Billy Kidman & Rey Mysterio Jr... don't remember this one.
TAG TITLE MATCH: The Insiders (Kevin Nash & DDP) defeated Chuck Palumbo & Shawn Stasiak to win the titles! memorable only for the Insiders constant attempts at getting Scott Hall back in WCW. although Page and Nash worked well together. they should've since they first teamed up back in the early 90's as the Vegas Connection. MATCH: Bill Goldberg defeated Lex Luger.. Meh.
WORLD TITLE MATCH: Scott Steiner defeated Sid Vicious to retain.. More meh. this almost rivals Hogan/Beefcake for worst Starrcade main event. *almost*
so there you have it. Starrcade goes out whimpering like a sad little dog with most of it's legs cut off.
it's a shame to see things that were once so promising finish out so poorly. especially when it's history is so rich.
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Well,Grimm, it's like Mick Foley ( As Mankind ) once said -
" Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!"
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok.
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Mick always had a way with words.
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so essentially, what did I hope to get out of this?
I'm not really sure. share some memories. have a few laughs. recoil in horror at some of the inane booking. we've done all that, yeah.
one thought would be that the Starrcade name deserves to be revived so it can live on and continue it's history. but whoever had that thought would do well to notice how horrible the E's booking is right now and how it just seems to be getting worse. Starrcade would vanish under a sea of undistinguishable crap ppvs.
what I would ultimately like to see is a "Best of Starrcade" dvd set and here are my recommendations for the matches that should be on it.
83 Piper vs. Valentine US title Flair vs. Race World title
84 Blanchard vs. Steamboat TV title Flair vs. Rhodes World Title
85 Magnum vs. Blanchard US title RNR Express vs. Koloffs Tag Title Rhodes vs. Flair World title
86 Blanchard vs. Rhodes TV title RNR Express vs. Andersons Tag title Road Warriors vs. Midnight Express scaffold match Flair vs. Koloff World title
87 Williams vs. Windham UWF title RNR Express vs. Mid. Express scaffold match Anderson & Blanchard vs. Road Warriors Tag title Rhodes vs. Luger US title Flair vs. Garvin World title
88 Midnight Express vs. “Original” Midnight Express Windham vs. Bigelow US title Rhodes/Sting vs. Road Warriors Tag title Flair vs. Luger World title
89 Luger vs. Sting Flair vs. Muta Steiners vs. Road Warriors Sting vs. Muta Flair vs. Luger Luger vs. Muta Sting vs. Flair
90 Konnan/Misterio Sr. vs. Adams/Smiley Skyscrapers vs. Big Cat/Madman Steiners vs. Konnan/Misterio Doom vs. Anderson/Windham Tag titles Steiners vs. Muta/Saito Sting vs. Flair
91 BattleBowl battle royal
92 Muta/Windham vs. Pillman/Scorpio Steamboat/Douglas vs. Pillman/Windham Tag titles Sting vs. Vader Chono vs. Muta NWA title BattleBowl battle royal
93 Regal vs. Steamboat TV title Rude vs. Boss (because it’d be a nice tribute to them both) Austin vs. Rhodes US title Hawk/Sting vs. Nasty Boys Tag title Flair vs. Vader World title
95 Liger vs. Benoit Kanemoto vs. Wright Ohtani vs. Guerrero Savage vs. Tenzan Sting vs. Sasaki Flair vs. Sting vs. Luger Flair vs. Savage World title
96 Dragon vs. Malenko Cruiserweight title Hokuto vs. Madusa Women’s title Liger vs. Misterio Jarrett vs. Benoit Guerrero vs. Page US title Piper vs. Hogan
97 Guerrero vs. Malenko Cruiserweight title Saturn vs. Benoit Page vs. Hennig US title Zbszko vs. Bischoff Sting vs. Hogan
98 Kidman vs. Misterio vs. Juventud Cruiserweight title Kidman vs. Guerrero Cruiserweight title Konnan vs. Jericho TV title Bischoff vs. Flair Page vs. Giant
99 Smiley vs. Meng Hardcore title Revolution vs. Duggan/Varsity Club Vampiro vs. Williams Jarrett vs. Rhodes Benoit vs. Jarrett US title
00 Helms/Moore vs. Hayashi/Yang vs. Noble/Karaver Funk vs. Crowbar Hardcore title Awesome vs. Bigelow
that's it.
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Back when I first started watching Wrestling, (around 1960 - 62?) Bruno Sammartino, Chief Jay Strongbow, and Baron Michel Ceycluna (spell?) were all still wrestling.
Lou Albano wasn't a Captain yet, and he was still a wrestler, too.
Wrestling was on Saturdays, after the cartoons were over for the day.
The matches back then were very simple compared to today's WWE!
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok.
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Grimm said: "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair defeated "The Russian Nightmare" Nikita Koloff by DQ to retain the NWA World Title (A rare World title shot for Nikita, and a rare case of Flair being a face, almost by default. )
Actually, this was just after Nikita's face turn, and he was very much the good guy here. I've only seen this match once, on a not-terribly-good VHS copy that a friend had, but I don't remember Flair being especially cheered.
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Grimm said: "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair defeated "The Russian Nightmare" Nikita Koloff by DQ to retain the NWA World Title (A rare World title shot for Nikita, and a rare case of Flair being a face, almost by default. )
Actually, this was just after Nikita's face turn, and he was very much the good guy here. I've only seen this match once, on a not-terribly-good VHS copy that a friend had, but I don't remember Flair being especially cheered.
ah, thanks. I must have confused this with the match where the Russians attacked Flair and Dusty came out to save him.
I thought Nikita's face run came later.
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The Russians/Flair match you're thinking of was pre starrcade '85.
As for Nikita's face turn, it had really only just happened at this point, due to Magnum TA's forced retirement. Basically they rushed Nikita into the main event here to cover, and as a result I think he was still getting boos for a little while afterwards since some fans hadn't fully caught up with the storylines (most of my knowledge fro mthsi coems from retrospective reasearch done via old magazines and the aforementioned buddy with wrestling vids).
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SpandexMonkeyMan said: The Russians/Flair match you're thinking of was pre starrcade '85.
I believe that's inferred in my post. . .
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