Can't wait till next season starts to see what will happen with the Titanic, and why it was able to ram a hole through the Tardis...
what's bugging me is what the hole looks like on the outside. because the ship is through the walls and goes way above where the exterior of the Tardis ends. So does it look like the ship shrinks down to fit or does it look like the Tardis expands around the hole. Either way I liked how they ended it with him saying multiple "what!?!"s like with the Runaway Bride cliffhanger.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
Yeah, that two parter was pretty cool.
Can't wait till next season starts to see what will happen with the Titanic, and why it was able to ram a hole through the Tardis...
what's bugging me is what the hole looks like on the outside. because the ship is through the walls and goes way above where the exterior of the Tardis ends. So does it look like the ship shrinks down to fit or does it look like the Tardis expands around the hole. Either way I liked how they ended it with him saying multiple "what!?!"s like with the Runaway Bride cliffhanger.
The TARDIS interior is believed to be something near the size of a small solar system. Given the moment and all, it seems to me that he accidentally materialized the TARDIS around the ship itself. Just because the exterior is relatively indestructible, doesn't mean the interior is, as well. At least, that's how I understand it.
The Christmas episode "Voyage of the Damned" will be broadcast in the UK on (naturally) Christmas day. The new season probably doesn't start until around May or June of 2008.
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
I am answering a qeustion from the EARLY days of this thread:
Originally Posted By: Joe Mama
This month's issue of Rue Morgue has an article on Doctor Who. It wasn't that long but it was a decent primer for new fans. I used to casually watch the Tom Baker episodes. There was one where there was what I think was a giant space caterpiller and it infected people who would then become caterpillar-like. I only saw up to the third part. Does anyone remember this - what it was called? I'd love to get it on DVD - the final scene of the half-caterpillar/half human yelling at the Doctor gave me nightmares for days!
It was Ark In Space, one of the best Tom Baker eps.
Thanks Pro.. it will be a long wait till next May or June.
a perfect example of what Dr. Who will always mean to me. weird sci-fi adventures in space/time with a flavor like nothing else and a truly alien feel to it.
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
and I think the gash in the Tardis would look bigger on the inside than it does on the outside...
Dimensionally transcendentality, and all that...
right, i get that. but the ship is partially inside with enough of itself that is way taller than a police box. so what does it look like on the outside since the the top of the ship would tower over a police box but on the inside can fit fine? does it look like it shrinks? my head hurts.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
Originally Posted By: Beardguy57
and I think the gash in the Tardis would look bigger on the inside than it does on the outside...
Dimensionally transcendentality, and all that...
right, i get that. but the ship is partially inside with enough of itself that is way taller than a police box. so what does it look like on the outside since the the top of the ship would tower over a police box but on the inside can fit fine? does it look like it shrinks? my head hurts.
I expect that on the outside, the Tardis would retain it's normal size, and would have the Titanic ramming it. I guess anyone on Titanic would have just seen the Tardis sort of impaled on the bow of the huge ship.
question: Tom Baker is saying he's 760. But I'm certain that the current Doctor said he was 900. So is there a "relative present" on the show that matches our own time (where his companions come from) and then we're to assume that between episodes and series he has had many travels and adventures that have built up 150 years or so of unseen stories? I like that idea a bit more than assuming he had centuries of dicking around and then had to regenerate 8 times in 40 years. It also leaves open the option of untold stories. Like maybe the Fourth Doctor wasn't around for 7 years, he was around for 50 we just only saw 7 of those years.
You hit it on the head. Sometime between the old series and the new there was an event called the Time War, which wiped out all the other Time Lords. That's probably where most of the missing time comes from.
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
I wonder what you longterm fans feel about regeneration. I came in with Tenth as the current and am able to read about the past ones with the kind of perspective that lets me see it one way, but you guys got attached to actors and then saw the regenerations as they aired. Do you guys feel that it is the same character just from different perspectives, or do you look at each one as being distinctive? One thing I notice in looking at the past Doctors is that each regeneration seems to be like an update. Wherein the events in the Doctor's life shape the regeneration. For example he was an old man who became younger and more active to match his active life of exploration. The Sixth Doctor being an asshole might be because he in some way blamed his companion for the death of the Fifth. The Seventh Doctor may have been an attempt to be more likeable and friendly. the Eighth Doctor is stronger and younger than the prior ones perhaps because he was caught offguard and shot and died a slow painful death while weak and at the mercy of others. The Ninth seems harder and more basic perhaps in mourning for the loss of the Time Lords, while the Tenth has an accent closer to Rose's and seems to have adopted her joy for their adventures, whereas Ninth was a bit more reserved towards things and had a "seen it" attitude. That's just my take on it.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
But you like the newer episodes which spend all their time on Earth?
I like Earth. Earth has many built in story angles and a whole culture in which to write a story around. This was a planet in the dark ages and a lot of time was spent in tunnels. Stories on alien worlds require creating a whole new culture, so the quality of that culture will define the quality of the story taking place there. Earth is Earth, we can see the Doctor in New York during the 1930's and we feel the difference and truly get a sense of time travel. It makes it seem more exciting (to me at least). And it saves them money on creating a CGI city when they can just shoot exterior shots of London in the present. I also think it makes sense to have the show do many Earth-centric episodes. The Doctor is entertaining his companion so he's showing her the past/future of her world. Though I wouldn't mind offworld stories at all. And I think that Earth has been invaded an aweful lot in the present and another invasion soon might be silly.
Overall I felt Ribbos was kind of weak. In fact the whole Key to Time story felt like I was playing Knights of the Old Republic again. Go here, get involved with the locals, and then they get the piece at the end and go to their ship. But, let me say that I do like Baker. In all the ones I've watched he had a lot of funny lines. Even when bored with the overall story, I got enough good laughs at his responses that I kept watching just for the next little remark.
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
question: Tom Baker is saying he's 760. But I'm certain that the current Doctor said he was 900. So is there a "relative present" on the show that matches our own time (where his companions come from) and then we're to assume that between episodes and series he has had many travels and adventures that have built up 150 years or so of unseen stories? I like that idea a bit more than assuming he had centuries of dicking around and then had to regenerate 8 times in 40 years. It also leaves open the option of untold stories. Like maybe the Fourth Doctor wasn't around for 7 years, he was around for 50 we just only saw 7 of those years.
The age thing is kinda muddled. The second Doctor was 250 years old. I think the sixth said he was 900. I guess you can imply that, since the 4th Doctor wasn't too happy talking about his age with Romana, that maybe he's shaving off a few years out of vanity.
I think there's an 8th Doctor novel or story where he spent 300 years imprisoned by a race of aliens. Pro has more details on that. I remember years ago coming across a website that showed where the Doctor had spots that he could have been (or should have been depending upon some stories) traveling by himself based on the TV show's own stories.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Nowhereman
Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
Originally Posted By: Prometheus
And Rayman, I cannot believe you didn't dig Ribos Operation. What about that overacting ham playing the Graff Vynda-K?
just too many episodes on that same planet.
But you like the newer episodes which spend all their time on Earth?
I like Earth. Earth has many built in story angles and a whole culture in which to write a story around. This was a planet in the dark ages and a lot of time was spent in tunnels. Stories on alien worlds require creating a whole new culture, so the quality of that culture will define the quality of the story taking place there. Earth is Earth, we can see the Doctor in New York during the 1930's and we feel the difference and truly get a sense of time travel. It makes it seem more exciting (to me at least). And it saves them money on creating a CGI city when they can just shoot exterior shots of London in the present. I also think it makes sense to have the show do many Earth-centric episodes. The Doctor is entertaining his companion so he's showing her the past/future of her world. Though I wouldn't mind offworld stories at all. And I think that Earth has been invaded an aweful lot in the present and another invasion soon might be silly.
Overall I felt Ribbos was kind of weak. In fact the whole Key to Time story felt like I was playing Knights of the Old Republic again. Go here, get involved with the locals, and then they get the piece at the end and go to their ship. But, let me say that I do like Baker. In all the ones I've watched he had a lot of funny lines. Even when bored with the overall story, I got enough good laughs at his responses that I kept watching just for the next little remark.
You'll probably like Hartnell's run. The original idea for the show was to be half-assed educational and teach both science and history in the same show. So the first Doctor spent his first couple of years traveling mostly in Earth's past and encountering the likes of Nero and Richard the Lionheart as well as cavemen and Aztecs.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
You'll probably like Hartnell's run. The original idea for the show was to be half-assed educational and teach both science and history in the same show. So the first Doctor spent his first couple of years traveling mostly in Earth's past and encountering the likes of Nero and Richard the Lionheart as well as cavemen and Aztecs.
was it like it is now with aliens in in the 1950's and werewolves in the 1890's? or just straight history?
It's mostly the Doctor and companions dealing with the people of the time period and location. I the only aliens in the past that I can think about was one in which the Doctor came across another Timelord disguised as a monk who wanted to change the history of England regarding the viking raids.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Hartnell's Doctor was the first Doctor to encounter the Daleks in episode two, called " The Daleks ", and the Cybermen in his final episode called " The Tenth Planet", which was also the very first time we see a timelord regenerate.
