Probably. But according to the original article, Caine has something of a rep for giving out accurate spoilers. Allegedly, he was the guy who first starting telling people Nolan had cast Ledger as the Joker.
would adding depp and/or hoffman to the film force the franchise over the shark in fans minds? casting the "hot hand" big name like depp, or whatever, sounds more like a WB decision and less like nolan decision, from what very little i know.
personally, i trust nolan to no end with the franchise. the first two movies were phenomenal, so he's earned it. you wanna cast cher as catwoman? fine. sounds odd as fuck, but i trust the guy to write it up good.
Personally, if they brought Depp aboard I would have thought they'd have him playing the Joker, on the theory that he's about the only guy (maybe Daniel Day Lewis being the other) who might be able to 'replace' Ledger and not cause a backlash.
And Depp would suck balls as The Joker. I'd also cast Crispin Glover as The Riddler long before I'd cast Depp...
I dont like Depp but Ledger's body of work before playing the Joker was worse. I have to think Ledger's performance was more director than actor driven...
I have to think Ledger's performance was more director than actor driven...
I can see that. I think it's more that he saw an opportunity as an actor with Chris Nolan. Nolan would let him get out there and be the weirdest fuck he wanted to be with the role, and wouldn't require him to play the pretty-boy hearthrob. And it worked! Like you, at no point would I have guessed Heath Ledger (of all people) would make a good Joker...
The writing made the character, not the actor. He added absolutely nothing. He played a suicidal loser. That's what he was in real life. Anyone can replace him.
Just about anyone could play a charismatic bad guy. All that ir takes to make the character appealing are the acts he commits. And that is strictly writer/director driven.
The same could be said for the dude who played mullet boy in No Country For Old Men. They were ready to give that guy an Oscar for a part that required more writer and camera perspective than actual acting.
So basically what you are all saying is that any actor can play a role if you have a good director. I'll remember that next time you are all moaning about an actor you dont like.
I'm saying that ledger brought nothing to the role. The writing and directing was great but the acting was average. Just like he did with all of his other roles.
I think while Pariah has the Seal of Disapproval, Reax needs something. Something that reflects his ability to unconditionally and illogically hate anything or one that's loved by others. Maybe a 'Reax Badge of Jealousy'?
I think while Pariah has the Seal of Disapproval, Reax needs something. Something that reflects his ability to unconditionally and illogically hate anything or one that's loved by others. Maybe a 'Reax Badge of Jealousy'?
So basically what you are all saying is that any actor can play a role if you have a good director.
learn to read cunt! i said that Heath Ledger never did a good job before this (or after!), so it could be a director. think of wrestling, in many eyes the lowest form of acting, you can take a guy like Ric Flair and put him in the ring with a crap guy and with his direction the guy seems like a total pro, the guy wrestles next week and is shit again!
a great director can hide a actors weakness, and focus on his strengths. may Ledger had one great part to his acting game and Nolan saw it and focused on it.
now put Brokeback Mountain back in the DVd player and piss off!
He added absolutely nothing. He played a suicidal loser. That's what he was in real life.
So... you plan on auditioning?
As his agent I think my client would be great for the Joker role. However, he will be busy filming his next role a direct to DVD film called Sling Blade 2: The Grocery Store Bagger. It was a role that was made for him. I even had the director write in a scene with sock fucking in it.
So basically what you are all saying is that any actor can play a role if you have a good director.
learn to read cunt! i said that Heath Ledger never did a good job before this (or after!), so it could be a director. think of wrestling, in many eyes the lowest form of acting, you can take a guy like Ric Flair and put him in the ring with a crap guy and with his direction the guy seems like a total pro, the guy wrestles next week and is shit again!
a great director can hide a actors weakness, and focus on his strengths. may Ledger had one great part to his acting game and Nolan saw it and focused on it.
now put Brokeback Mountain back in the DVd player and piss off!
Look around the other posts here, apparently any actor could play the role.
No matter how good a director is, they cant make a truly shite actor look great. By some peoples logic here, Nolan might as well have picked someone like Rob Kamphausen for the role, and he woulda played it exactly the same!
The problem with smash hit films is that everyone immediately begins speculating about the sequel. After all, Hollywood is driven by success and “tent pole” films are necessary for business. Its one reason, studios stake out release dates years in advance, sometimes before there’s even a script (see Spider-Man 4).
Since the box office records shattered with The Dark Knight, everyone has been running around guessing who might be in the running for the third film from Christopher Nolan. Actors have let it be known they’re interested whether appropriate or not to the part. The merest hint news sends news around the Internet in a nanosecond.
As a result, retractions, clarifications or denunciations follow just a tad slower.
No sooner did the dust settle from the Cher-as-Catwoman nonsense, MTV began reporting that Michael Caine received Warner Bros. confirmation that the next movie in the series will offer up Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin.
Of course, Nolan insists he hasn’t thought once about the next film, preferring to concentrate on a non-Bat feature as a palette cleanser before returning to Gotham City.
Hoffman, who would be terrific in just about any part short of Catwoman, told The Stone Report that ''Some friend of mine told me he read that [rumor]", Hoffman reported from the Toronto Film Festival. "First I heard of it. I don't think so.
"I grew up a comic book fan, so I love that stuff. I love going to that stuff. I think what they're doing with that whole Batman story is really true to what that whole Batman thing has always been. It's one of the darkest origins of a super-hero, to get all nerdy and geeky on you. That character sees his parents gunned down as a young child. I remember when I was a kid reading that story, so seeing it now come to life as the dark tale that it really is as an intense, really dark, very visceral, adult tale that they're doing now, all the great work people are doing on it, of course I wouldn't say, ‘Well, no, no no.' But I don't know the reality of it, so I wouldn't say ‘yes' to you."
Marvel isn’t immune from this nonsense either as they had to quickly stomp out the word that Will Smith was being cast as Steve Rogers in the Captain America movie. Previously, rumor had it Cap would be played by Matthew McConnaughy.
general question: do you think nolan wrote out a third movie in his mind whilst writing the previous films? do you think he has crafted an overall story, with an end, or at least additional chapters?
Acting is very different to wrestling. In wrestling the focus would be on Flair, in a movie the focus was on Ledger.
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
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Oh, and from what Nolan says, a lot of the stuff Ledger did was Ledgers own ideas, and allowed him to improvise!
as if it would be great for his career to say that the performance of this dead guy was owed all to himself, it's called being gracious after a death!
general question: do you think nolan wrote out a third movie in his mind whilst writing the previous films? do you think he has crafted an overall story, with an end, or at least additional chapters?
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
If Cena or Hogan wrestled themselves, then you'd have a point. However, as either man is in the ring with at least one other guy, I award the battle of rhetoric to Nowhereman.
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
If Cena or Hogan wrestled themselves, then you'd have a point. However, as either man is in the ring with at least one other guy, I award the battle of rhetoric to Nowhereman.
do you just close your eyes and type now? that made no sense.
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Originally Posted By: Rob Kamphausen
general question: do you think nolan wrote out a third movie in his mind whilst writing the previous films? do you think he has crafted an overall story, with an end, or at least additional chapters?
Yup....just like George Lucas!
Batman and the lawyer chick are really brother and sister.
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
If Cena or Hogan wrestled themselves, then you'd have a point. However, as either man is in the ring with at least one other guy, I award the battle of rhetoric to Nowhereman.
do you just close your eyes and type now? that made no sense.
general question: do you think nolan wrote out a third movie in his mind whilst writing the previous films? do you think he has crafted an overall story, with an end, or at least additional chapters?
I think he probably has a basic idea of the overview he wants to give to the Batman universe. But, judging from all practicalities at how he approaches cinema and movie franchises, I'd say he realizes it won't die with him. One would have thought, with the way he was going, that he was setting up a three-movie arc to end with 'The Dark Knight Returns'. At least that's the original feel I got to it. But, as the article above proves, who knows what he's thinking?
it was a question for generals, not the likes of you
Yeah, but he's said time and time again (Nolan, that is) that he didn't think about anythiYeah, but Nolan has stated many times that he doesn't plan on future Bat movies when working on one. So, to reiterate what Mxy wrote, No.
The writing made the character, not the actor. He added absolutely nothing. He played a suicidal loser. That's what he was in real life. Anyone can replace him.
The writing made the character, but the actor made the performance. By your logic Adam Sandler could be the Joker. I highly doubt he's got the acting ability to completely immerse himself in the role like Ledger did.
I think if Nolan had planned to do DKR next he would have set the second movie a few years after the first one, when The Bat-Man is an established crimefighter that has been fighting the Joker and other bat-rogues for a while. DK, I think, still counts as a movie about Bat's beginnings. To jump from that to the end of his career would be a little abrupt.
Now, he might still do DKR next if he thinks it's a good idea, but I don't think he planned that from the beginning.
Ledger played himself. There's no skill in playing yourself.
Now you're just arguing for the attention, rex. Ledger played "himself"? As The Joker? He played himself? Really? Prove that. Show me some clips or something that gives an example of Ledger running around being a psycho like the character he played in TDK. Otherwise, you're just being illogical, reactionary, jealous and bitter about the attention he's gotten. Like you are with everyone that gets any attention...
The writing made the character, not the actor. He added absolutely nothing. He played a suicidal loser. That's what he was in real life. Anyone can replace him.
The writing made the character, but the actor made the performance. By your logic Adam Sandler could be the Joker. I highly doubt he's got the acting ability to completely immerse himself in the role like Ledger did.
what track record did Ledger have before this? i would hazard to guess Sandler has put together better performances than Ledger pre-Joker. Look I know how much 10 Things I Hate About You meant to you man, but honestly it wasnt that good.
Acting is very different to wrestling. In wrestling the focus would be on Flair, in a movie the focus was on Ledger.
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
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Oh, and from what Nolan says, a lot of the stuff Ledger did was Ledgers own ideas, and allowed him to improvise!
as if it would be great for his career to say that the performance of this dead guy was owed all to himself, it's called being gracious after a death!
I'm sorry man, but you are talking bollocks. With Cena and Flair being in a match, they are in the match "together", Nolan and Ledger are not in the movie together. I have seen matches where a guy like Flair or Taker or whoever has put a lesser talent over and made them look great. I have also seen matches where even the greatest wrestlers in the world could not make someone look good.
No director can make a totally shit actor look great, because acting is all about delivery, something you obviously know shite about!
Acting is very different to wrestling. In wrestling the focus would be on Flair, in a movie the focus was on Ledger.
then you no shite about wrestling, John Cena is the focus of his match yet he cant make a turd look great like Flair, Hulk Hogan is the focus of his matches yet he cant/wont make a turd wrestler look great. The list can go on and on. You can polish a turd and make it look great as evidenced by Ledger. His acting has always been meh.
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Oh, and from what Nolan says, a lot of the stuff Ledger did was Ledgers own ideas, and allowed him to improvise!
as if it would be great for his career to say that the performance of this dead guy was owed all to himself, it's called being gracious after a death!
I'm sorry man, but you are talking bollocks. With Cena and Flair being in a match, they are in the match "together", Nolan and Ledger are not in the movie together. I have seen matches where a guy like Flair or Taker or whoever has put a lesser talent over and made them look great. I have also seen matches where even the greatest wrestlers in the world could not make someone look good.
No director can make a totally shit actor look great, because acting is all about delivery, something you obviously know shite about!
Again your talking out of your ass if Flair is in match with someone he is directing it, not the other guy. He does tell a guy what move will look good, what to sell ect. That's what a director does. You have yet to point to any great acting done by Ledger before or since, thus proving my point!
Don't think it'll happen. Aside from the fact that Depp's a horrible choice for that particular character, his friendship with Tim Burton would make him a poor choice to a director and studio that are trying to avoid the previous franchise. Guy Pearce has stated an interest in joining the Batman franchise based on HIS friendship with Nolan, and I think he'd be a decent (at worst) choice to play the role.
PS: Rumblings have Cher as an "older, more experienced" Catwoman. I say that's the first nail in the franchise's coffin if true.
I think the Catwoman rumor is just something Cher's people are spreading to keep her name in the paper. Putting aside the fact she's in her sixties now she doesn't seem like the type of actor Nolan would put in a film.
As mentioned before, Nolan seems to favor either actors who are talented newcomers (Bale, Ledger, Eckhert) or veteran character actors (Oldman, Freeman, Caine, Wilkinson), either of which will vanish into the role. Cher is neither. She's a "celebrity."
If anything, I'd see Nolan going back Carrie Ann Moss (from Nolan's "Memento" and, of course, "the Matrix" films) if he wanted an "older more experienced" actress.
the thing about the cher/catwoman rumor is I could see Nolan going that way, in small towns there is always some crazy old woman that everyone refers to as the catwoman because of her house being full of cats, and maybe he is working a origin in that way....
He was on the news a lot (including the show he's part of, Dateline or something) and there was an entire South Park episode about him, and he's been 1337ed on the web since inception.
I'm shocked that anyone EXCEPT pedophiles doesn't know him. Hell, I'm surprised that the pedos don't know him. Fer chrissakes, fellas!
I've seen the show twice and got a kick out of the slimeballs trying to justify why they were bringing beer for a 14 year old girl.......or why they are half naked when the host walks in and says "surprise!". It's just not something I go out of my way to watch.
Yeah, cuz you wouldn't need someone with charisma to play a charismatic character.
You don't. All you need is charismatic lines with charismatic stunts.
Generally speaking, any actor could have adopted Ledger's Joker pantomimes/accent. After that, it's the script and the director that end up giving the character any value.
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So basically what you are all saying is that any actor can play a role if you have a good director. I'll remember that next time you are all moaning about an actor you dont like.
Pariah and Clooney springs to mind here!
I was talking specifically about charismatic villains. That's why I referenced No Country for Old Men.
In the case of protagonists, you'd definitely need a good actor.
Yeah, cuz you wouldn't need someone with charisma to play a charismatic character.
You don't. All you need is charismatic lines with charismatic stunts.
Generally speaking, any actor could have adopted Ledger's Joker pantomimes/accent. After that, it's the script and the director that end up giving the character any value.
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So basically what you are all saying is that any actor can play a role if you have a good director. I'll remember that next time you are all moaning about an actor you dont like.
Pariah and Clooney springs to mind here!
I was talking specifically about charismatic villains. That's why I referenced No Country for Old Men.
In the case of protagonists, you'd definitely need a good actor.
I agree with both sides of the argument. But with all due respect to Ledger he created the idea to do the Joker using a pantomime voice. He wanted to sound like a ventriloquist dummy. He called Nolan a week before filming started and told him that is how he was going to portray the character and Nolan said "yeah that sounds great" and then hung up the phone and said to himself "geez I wonder if that would work".
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True, but it's also likely that after BB and TDK Nolan got a lot more autonomy over casting as part of his deal. Remember, at the time he made BB, he was known primarily for a couple of indie films.
Not if (again hypothetically but that's all this entire conversation is) Nolan's contract gives him final casting approval and if Bale's contract guarantees that Nolan is the director.
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I would also point out that the original discussion was "would Nolan choose to cast her" not "would WB force her on the film"
Not if (again hypothetically but that's all this entire conversation is) Nolan's contract gives him final casting approval and if Bale's contract guarantees that Nolan is the director.
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I would also point out that the original discussion was "would Nolan choose to cast her" not "would WB force her on the film"
But the point is, he has supposedly signed on around the same time as Megan Fox. I am sure Warners isnt going to sign her to a contract after just signing a contract with Nolans, that contradicts what they have just done. Just as I am sure Nolan would not have signed a contract giving him full control, if he already knows they have signed Fox.
If these contracts are real, they appear to have been signed around the same time, so either Nolan has chosen her, or he doesnt get a choice.
Megan Fox is not going to be Catwoman. Let's get that out of the way right now. When E! Online asked Fox's publicist if she really had been cast in the role, the reply was, "Megan is a huge fan of the Batman movies and of director Christopher Nolan but these discussions have not taken place."
So why were outlets worldwide reporting last week that Fox would be playing Batman's feline foe in the next movie? The original report was published in the "Gordon Smart's Bizarre" section of the British tabloid "The Sun" on the 26th. It popped up all across the Internet within hours, and it took less than a day for the studio to refute it. "It's rumor. It's not true," a source at Warner Bros. told Access Hollywood. "There is no script. There is no project to be cast in."
What's odd is that this is not the first time a patently false claim about the next Batman movie was made by the same columnist. In December, Gordon Smart reported that Eddie Murphy had been cast as the Riddler and Shia LaBeouf would play Robin. That was quickly denied by Murphy's camp. Other reports said Phillip Seymour Hoffman would play the Penguin, but he told MTV, "No one has talked to me about it ever."
There is the ever-lurking question about villains: who will The Dark Knight tussle with this time… Could it possibly be a returning (and recast) Joker, pulling strings from Arkham, Lecter-style, Empire wonders?
“No”, says Nolan emphatically and unhesitatingly. He resists elaborating simply because, quite understandably, he says, “I just don’t feel comfortable talking about it”.
Plus he can get in line with the five hundred other actors that have been 'confirmed' 'rumoured' or 'are in talks' to play The Riddler in a film that hasnt even been written yet.
The theater down the street from me announced today that they will be building an imax theater, the first one in Eugene. They're goal is to have it done by the Summer of 2012. I really hope I get the next Batman movie in it.
It's full steam ahead for the next Batman adventure, with the confirmation that Christopher Nolan is definitely directing, and that the shoot is likely to start next April. As such, the first pieces of the casting jigsaw have been falling into place.
Christian Bale is obviously back in the title role, and many of the other names from Nolan's first two Batman films - Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman - are also more than likely to return. But the first newcomer to Nolan's Gotham City? That'd be Tom Hardy.
Deadline has reported that the actor, who appeared in Inception for Nolan, has signed up to appear in a lead role in the new film, even if we've no idea right now just what that lead role could be. The logical bet would be that he's a villain of some sorts - could he even be The Riddler? - but we await confirmation of that in due course.
Batman 3, as we seem to be calling it, is out in July 2012.
Well, this is certainly out of left field. If you were expecting the Dark Knight Rises rumors to end now that we’ve finally started getting a real cast, you apparently don’t know how the internet works. This evening the web has been aflutter with rumors that Robin Williams will play Dr. Hugo Strange. It all seems to stem from a tweet by Batman On Film, but as Caped Crusader sources go, they’re among the most trustworthy.
You may remember ages ago, Williams came within a hair of landing the coveted Joker role in Tim Burton’s Batman, but it was not to be. Still, after all those years, the longing hasn’t quite died. The comedian who’s arguably better in his dramatic roles openly said last year that he’d work on The Dark Knight Rises in a second, but up until now, his words seemed more like longing than real casting news.
I’m not completely sold. Thus far, there’s been no confirmation from Williams, the studio or Christopher Nolan; so, even as much as I trust Batman On Film, I must recommend you take this purely as a rumor for the time being. What a glorious rumor it is though. For those of you unfamiliar with Gotham, Dr. Hugo Strange is a Batman-obsessed villain psychologist with more than a few screws loose. Williams has not only won an Academy Award for playing a shrink but has also crushed all of his creepy psychopath roles in the past.
Expect the actual facts on this within a few days.
williams is an awesome creepy guy. would be a great fit to the nolan verse.
i don't think I've ever liked hugo strange, tho. seemed more of an annoyance than a threat, and his visual now reminds me too much of the doctor from animaniacs. i also always hate villains whose premise hangs too much on "i know who you are". ra's escapes that by never really giving a fuck about the true identity.
are there better hugo strange stories out there im missing and should read...?
I have literally like 12 Batman comics, and half of those are from the Englehart/Rogers run from the 70s where Strange shows up. Great stuff. I think the trade that collects the whole thing is called Strange Apparitions.
I remember being introduced to Hugo Strange in some Batman Annual from the 80's. Williams would make it work. And with Ann Hathaway as Catwoman, would round out an already awesome cast. Hope this is true. Meanwhile, I wonder who Tom Hardy is playing? Could be someone like Hush. Or, as I would prefer, someone like Deathstroke, Deadshot, or Prometheus. Wikipedia says Bane, but that's Wikipedia...
I have literally like 12 Batman comics, and half of those are from the Englehart/Rogers run from the 70s where Strange shows up. Great stuff. I think the trade that collects the whole thing is called Strange Apparitions.
Yeah.
Those stories are among, if not the, best Batman stories of all time. Too bad DC's been reportedly letting Kevin Smith take a huge dump on them in his latest miniseries.
EXCLUSIVE: Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to reunite with his Inception director Christopher Nolan in The Dark Knight Rises for Warner Bros. I'm not sure what role he'll play, but I'm told that he will be in the movie when Nolan starts production this spring. Gordon-Levitt will be done shooting the Rian Johnson-directed Looper with Bruce Willis and Emily Blunt by then. Gordon-Levitt has the indie Hesher coming out this spring, as well as Live With It, the Jonathan Levine-directed pic about a 27-year old who tries to overcome a cancer diagnosis. CAA-repped Gordon-Levitt established himself with indie films like Brick, the underrated Scott Frank-directed The Lookout, and the Marc Webb-directed (500) Days of Summer. Nolan keeps his films shrouded in secrecy, though he did lift the veil recently to disclose that Anne Hathaway would play Selina Kyle (Catwoman) and Gordon-Levitt's Inception co-star Tom Hardy will play Bane. What role fits Gordon-Levitt?
I have literally like 12 Batman comics, and half of those are from the Englehart/Rogers run from the 70s where Strange shows up. Great stuff. I think the trade that collects the whole thing is called Strange Apparitions.
i just... went to a 24 hour comic shop and legally purchased detective comics 469-479, which contains the run you mentioned and hugo strange stories. it did not change my opinion (and, frankly, made me more impressed by BTAS' retelling of many of these events). at least in the comic world, hugo strange is only successful if batman first admits himself to a doctor. then, hugo's only ace is knowing batman's identity, and not, for example, telling everyone in the world or... i dunno... killing batman while he's lying there.
then the goal is to... pretend to be bruce wayne, spurn his girlfriend, and ruin his stock portfolio? boo.
granted, nolan is awesome, so i'm more than happy waiting to see what his take on the character would be. he's been goddamn spot-on re-inventing every other character to fit his world, so i'm sure (if included) he'd have similar projections for hugo "hurley" strange. at least i hope so.
JGL as Riddler? I could see it. But, isn't this movie getting pretty fucking crowded? Bruce, Alfred, Gordon, Catwoman, Bane, possibly Robin Williams as Hugo Strange and Joseph Gordon Levitt as (Riddler?)....
My bet is that he's not the Riddler or any super-type but more likely a "civilian" supporting character, perhaps a new DA to take the place of Harvey and Rachael or a midlevel thug, ala Falcone.
I even starting typing out "But he's not black enough to play Obama."
But the problem is this: What Obama is the leader of is-unfortunately-the U.S. So the joke only really works if you want to imply the US is a ruthless terror organization.
So much for more rumors on which specific role that Joseph Gordon-Levitt will play in the third installment of Christopher Nolan's rebooted Batman trilogy. Mere hours after the Inception actor was confirmed as signing a deal for a part in the next film, Variety has followed up with the specific role that Levitt will be playing. And it will not be Robin, the Riddler or Deadshot as some rumors have been speculating these past few weeks.
The trade reports that insiders reveal that Josepth Gordon-Levitt will be playing Alberto Falcone, the son of Mafia chieftain Carmine Falcone, the character Tom Wilkinson played in "Batman Begins."
Alberto Falcone, who is also known as The Holiday Killer, would bring Nolan's superhero trilogy full-circle. The character fits with the helmer's stated intentions for continuity and preference to pit the Caped Crusader against "realistic" villains, as opposed to cartoonish nemeses such as Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy, who Batman battled in Joel Schumacher's 1997 misfire "Batman and Robin."
Even the trades and their mostly studio-provided press releases get it wrong sometimes. We're not saying this is the case in regards to Joseph Gordon-Levitt's confirmed casting for The Dark Knight Rises but Entertainment Weekly is certainly suggesting it with the role that was reportedly his. Last Friday, the trade confirmed the ongoing rumors that the Inception star would be hopping on board Chrisopher Nolan's third Batman installment and then later followed up their own story by saying that Levitt will play Alberto Falcone, the son of Mafia Boss Carmine Falcone (Tom Wilkinson) and future Holiday Killer.
Well, the latter part may not be true as of yet.
EW reports that while Levitt is indeed joining the production, he's not set just as Falcone. So let the various blogs out there (and you Maniacs) continue speculation on whether the actor would indeed play another character such as The Riddler or Deadshot in this wrap-up of Nolan's trilogy.
the unnamed female could also the the love whose loss that ruined ra's' (raisins?) life, throwing him to his world of evil. t'was briefly mentioned during the oh-so-awesome training sequence from batman begins.
could parallel how one life was turned to poo with love/death, and the other was made stronger for it (after a quick chat with alfred).
the unnamed female could also the the love whose loss that ruined ra's' (raisins?) life, throwing him to his world of evil. t'was briefly mentioned during the oh-so-awesome training sequence from batman begins.
could parallel how one life was turned to poo with love/death, and the other was made stronger for it (after a quick chat with alfred).
Could be, but the big question is from whose perspective are the flashbacks in?
Despite a recent production location change from Chicago to Pittsburgh for Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, the fictional city of Gotham lives on and genre fans will see its top politician return in the fast-tracking third installment. Variety reports that Nestor Carbonell ("LOST", The Dark Knight) has been officially set to reprise the role of the Mayor of Gotham. The trade also reports that Diego Klattenhoff and Burn Gorman are also being eyed for supporting roles as well.
I read the other day that in the new Batman cartoon, they wanted to use Kathy Kane as Batwoman, but DC didn't let them because the character turns out to be a villain on that episode. Dini or someone said DC doesn't like it when they use their heroes as villains in other media, especially if they have their own book... I wonder if the hispanic woman cop who betrays Gordon in The Dark Knight was originally supposed to be Montoya, but DC asked Nolan to change it. She did have her own book at the time, or at least plans to launch it.
I wonder if the hispanic woman cop who betrays Gordon in The Dark Knight was originally supposed to be Montoya, but DC asked Nolan to change it. She did have her own book at the time, or at least plans to launch it.
I thought it WAS Montoya! Didn't worry about the name. The fact they're using a Hispanic female of the same age, looks, position, etc., of course it's Montoya. I can't see it being a coincidence...
I wonder if the hispanic woman cop who betrays Gordon in The Dark Knight was originally supposed to be Montoya, but DC asked Nolan to change it. She did have her own book at the time, or at least plans to launch it.
and the guy cop that betrayed gordon was also sorta bullockish.
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I thought it WAS Montoya! Didn't worry about the name. The fact they're using a Hispanic female of the same age, looks, position, etc., of course it's Montoya.
they're all montoya to you, aren't they klanmetheus
Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Oscar® winner Marion Cotillard (La Vie en Rose) and Joseph Gordon-Levitt have joined the cast of The Dark Knight Rises, the epic conclusion to the Dark Knight legend.
Cotillard will appear as Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member eager to help a still-grieving Bruce Wayne resume his father's philanthropic endeavors for Gotham.
Gordon-Levitt will play John Blake, a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon.
The film reunites the actors with Christopher Nolan, who recently directed them in the award-winning blockbuster Inception.
The director stated, "When you collaborate with people as talented as Marion and Joe, it comes as no surprise that you would want to repeat the experience. I immediately thought of them for the roles of Miranda and Blake, and I am looking forward to working with both of them again."
Nah. It just didn't "feel" like Terminator for me. It just kind of felt like a McG grim-gritty Christian Bale movie. I thought some of it worked. But, overall, it just didn't work without Arnie in it...
Okay, I used the word "shitty" in the wrong context. Just for the joke. It wasn't "shitty" by any means. But, it just didn't do it for me as a Terminator. That's all.
Nah. It just didn't "feel" like Terminator for me. It just kind of felt like a McG grim-gritty Christian Bale movie. I thought some of it worked. But, overall, it just didn't work without Arnie in it...
Of course, being Pro, he formed this opinion in early 1997.
Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Oscar® winner Marion Cotillard (La Vie en Rose) and Joseph Gordon-Levitt have joined the cast of The Dark Knight Rises, the epic conclusion to the Dark Knight legend.
Cotillard will appear as Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member eager to help a still-grieving Bruce Wayne resume his father's philanthropic endeavors for Gotham.
Gordon-Levitt will play John Blake, a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon.
The film reunites the actors with Christopher Nolan, who recently directed them in the award-winning blockbuster Inception.
The director stated, "When you collaborate with people as talented as Marion and Joe, it comes as no surprise that you would want to repeat the experience. I immediately thought of them for the roles of Miranda and Blake, and I am looking forward to working with both of them again."
Nah. It just didn't "feel" like Terminator for me. It just kind of felt like a McG grim-gritty Christian Bale movie. I thought some of it worked. But, overall, it just didn't work without Arnie in it...
Of course, being Pro, he formed this opinion in early 1997.
And so it officially begins for fans looking towards the final installment of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. Filming officially began this weekend on The Dark Knight Rises in Jodhpur, India and we already have our first set photos online courtesy of the movie's official fan page at Facebook.
One of the only bits of official information that Warner Bros. Pictures and director Nolan have revealed to the trades is that Josh Pence is set to play a young version of Ra's al Ghul in the tale, via flashbacks to some decades before the events of The Dark Knight.
These first set photos and a confirmation that the actor Pence is indeed at the India location seem to suggest that Ra's al Ghul's Lazarus Pit will be showing up in the next film. Comic readers will remember the character bathes in a mystic pool with rejuvenatory properties. We have yet to hear a confirmation whether the "green" CG background is set to become the Pit in post-production but the combination of it with Pence's involvement seem to point towards such a scenario.
I've been hearing that something bad will happen to Batman/Bruce Wayne at the end of the movie. This is why WB wants to reboot the franchise after this one.
I've been hearing that something bad will happen to Batman/Bruce Wayne at the end of the movie. This is why WB wants to reboot the franchise after this one.
I don't think it's gonna be at the end. More like he gets fucked up by Bane and has to come back (rise).
Has Batman fought anyone really powerful in the movies? All I remember is him fighting low level thugs the Joker who was just cheap. I'm thinking he will fight bane early on in the movie, get his back broken or hurt in some other way and then return to save the day.
Has Batman fought anyone really powerful in the movies? All I remember is him fighting low level thugs the Joker who was just cheap. I'm thinking he will fight bane early on in the movie, get his back broken or hurt in some other way and then return to save the day.
other than goons, ra's has been the only true fighting competitor.
His back getting broken seems a bit too extreme for the tone of the Nolan films. Probably seriously fucked up, but not a broken back. Though it looks like Gordon may take that one for him.
His back getting broken seems a bit too extreme for the tone of the Nolan films. Probably seriously fucked up, but not a broken back. Though it looks like Gordon may take that one for him.
Oh, and there's something quite depressing knowing that this is the final Nolanverse Batman. I doubt we'll ever see the character and his world treated as kindly again...
Yeah. Actually I did. And damn your eyes for reminding me it even exists.
(Also, I note you didn't point out I failed to include Halle Berry's Catwoman in the list of bungled films. Your love for that film never dies, does it?)
so, here's a fun and nutty theory. based, really, on nothing. embrace me, regardless!
nolan has clearly been a fan of picking pieces of his favorite batbooks, and filmafying them for the big screen. bits of year one, long halloween, dark knight returns, killing joke - and maybe some NML this time around.
with this being nolan's final film, and the promotional pieces already seeming to be dubbed "[this] batman's last film", is it possible we'll get a dark knight returns-type closure? there are already rumors circulating about bruce wayne's death in the third film, and teasers have depicted back-breaking bane, as well as ra's al ghul's "become more than a man - become a legend, mr. wayne" mantra...
noting the above snow-time photos, and various military police references... could bane be filling DKR superman's government lackey role? sent in to shut down the troublestarter batman, regardless of cost, in one final gotham city throwdown? where, at the conclusive finale, bruce wayne passes, but the batman legend grows enough so to have the film end with a retaliatory army of batmen from the newly rejuvenated batcave as the "dark knight rises"?
Given Nolan's penchant for secrecy and misdirection I find it a little odd that we are seeing such well lit, potentially spoilery, shots in the first place.
Well, considering it was outside in broad daylight in a major metropolitan area, I think Nolan would of had a hard time keeping paparazzi-like pictures off the internet to begin with.
There are articles about this release saying the JPG was titled "SelinaKyle" and not "Catwoman", wondering whether she'll ever be called that or not. I don't remember Dent being called "Two-Face" in TDK. I don't think Nolan goes in for the straight-out 'super-villain' names, does he? I know Crane calls himself "Scarecrow" once in BB. Ras is his name. The Joker is only called The Joker, or "The Clown". But, I don't remember there being a "Two-Face" named. So, I can totally see where they wouldn't call a cat-burglar named Selina Kyle "Catwoman". You don't arrest an art thief and call him "Art Man"...
dent was called two face as a jab by cops, because they all thought he was two-faced in his internal affairs aspects. gordon and dent have two scenes in which that's used: once where dent is normal, and once where he's half crispy.
as for selina kyle, she's never once been billed as catwoman. even when hathaway was added in the cast, she's only ever been officially billed as selina kyle
Hey Rex, look into Irfanview (a freeware picture editing program). You can resize pics in less than thirty seconds. Also, I've been using Photobucket to store my online pics for about a decade now. Try it. That way, you can host your own re-sized pics, and don't have to stretch out the screen with your GIGANTIC BATMAN PICTURES. I mean, I'm using a 42-in wide-screen for a monitor, and your Batman pics are just blowing it out. I'm Ad-Blocking every one of them.
dent was called two face as a jab by cops, because they all thought he was two-faced in his internal affairs aspects. gordon and dent have two scenes in which that's used: once where dent is normal, and once where he's half crispy.
See, I had totally forgotten those lines. I think I originally found them cringe-worthy. Either way, fair point. Still, Nolan works these names in as side-effects or nicknames, and not "Hey this is what you should call me all the time". Except for "Batman". That's the point. I believe.
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as for selina kyle, she's never once been billed as catwoman. even when hathaway was added in the cast, she's only ever been officially billed as selina kyle
Exactly! Which is why I wonder why all these people are scrambling trying to figure out whether she'll be "Catwoman", literally.
See, I had totally forgotten those lines. I think I originally found them cringe-worthy. Either way, fair point. Still, Nolan works these names in as side-effects or nicknames, and not "Hey this is what you should call me all the time". Except for "Batman". That's the point. I believe.
pretty much everything in the nolan films has been ridiculously organic, which is an aspect of them i love - and quite the contrast from every other super hero film, evar. i liked the two-face lines, since the term actually exists outside of comics, so it made sense. you know, like jerry's date in the festivus episode. i also like how the fire explained why the side of harvey's face, his one hand, and half of his suit were burned - rather than the comic book explanation of his face was burned by acid, his hand felt bad and was also burned, and then he shopped for half-ruined clothing.
i also like how the fire explained why the side of harvey's face, his one hand, and half of his suit were burned - rather than the comic book explanation of his face was burned by acid, his hand felt bad and was also burned, and then he shopped for half-ruined clothing.
Sometimes that's all you can find at the Goodwill.
Bane destroys a pic of Dent. Bane fucks up Gordon and maybe Bats. I think Piggie's right. Talia is using Bane to get back at Bats/Gotham for killing her father. She also inserts herself (heyoo!) into Bruce's company and private life (does she get preggers? Hurm. . .) and Selina's just there to screw everybody's plans up, because that's what she does.
Saw a rumor that they might use footage of people shitting on streets in new york for The Dark Knight Rises. That will be one of the few things that will make me not watch this movie.
Thanks to the fine film hacks over at Empire, we finally have some actual news to accompany all those leaked pictures from the set of The Dark Knight Rises - and straight from the horse's mouth too.
Tellingly, the new film is set eight years after the end of The Dark Knight, when we saw our caped crusader take the blame for Two-Face's murders and fly like a fugitive into the night.
Director Christopher Nolan says of the plot: "It's really all about finishing Batman and Bruce Wayne's story. We left him in a very precarious place. Perhaps surprisingly for some people, our story picks up quite a bit later, eight years after The Dark Knight. So he's an older Bruce Wayne; he's not in a great state.
"With Bane, we're looking to give Batman a challenge he hasn't had before. With our choice of villain and with our choice of story we're testing Batman both physically as well as mentally."
Tom Hardy himself says of Bane: "He's brutal. Brutal. He's a big dude who's incredibly clinical, in the fact that he has a result-based and oriented fighting style. It's not about fighting. It's about carnage. The style is heavy-handed, heavy-footed, it's nasty. Anything from small-joint manipulation to crushing skulls, crushing rib cages, stamping on shins and knees and necks and collarbones and snapping heads off and tearing his fists through chests, ripping out spinal columns. He is a terrorist in mentality as well as brutal action."
The Dark Knight Rises is out in cinemas on July 20, 2012.
this should be agony. i should be a mass of aching muscle — broken, spent, unable to move. and, were i an older man, i surely would... but i'm a man of 30 — of 20 again. the rain on my chest is a baptism. i'm born again.
this should be agony. i should be a mass of aching sphincter muscles — broken, spent, unable to move. and, were i an older man, i surely would... but i'm a man of 30 — of 20 again. the cum on my chest is a baptism. i'm born again.
though it wouldn't surprise me if he did die; there are prophetic like messages through out the first two films to indicate he might. i also think, with nolan's awesomeness, death could be the most fitting finale. certainly unique to have the hero transition in such a fashion. tho, like with millers DKR, "death" has variables.
either way, with nolan and bale (and likely others) gone after this film, continuing and remaking wouldnt be all that dissimilar
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
Don't know about his take on Bane. Interested in why Bane's holding up a pic of Dent, though. This movie is supposed to be set eight or ten years after the events of TDK. Would seem an awfully silly motivation to be like "It was Dent, retards. Batman was fucking with you!" or something like that. Pumped about a return appearance by Ra's and--maybe--a Scarecrow cameo.
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
Nolan has mentioned Bane as a mental as well as physical match for Batman, which is what he was created as.
Don't know about his take on Bane. Interested in why Bane's holding up a pic of Dent, though. This movie is supposed to be set eight or ten years after the events of TDK. Would seem an awfully silly motivation to be like "It was Dent, retards. Batman was fucking with you!" or something like that. Pumped about a return appearance by Ra's and--maybe--a Scarecrow cameo.
'Batman killed Dent' is probably what it's going to be about. Also, he's standing on a Tumbler (aka Batmobile).
Its getting to the point where I want to avoid anything about the movie. I over analyzed everything about The Dark Knight and it took some of the fun out of it.
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
Bane's only been a one note villain when creators have written him that way. Chuck Dixon actually based the character on Doc Savage and intended for him to be (as mentioned prior) a physical and mental equal to the Bat (with Venom being his ace in the hole). Dixon, and a few other creators (Gail Simone on Secret Six most recently) have actually put thought and craft into the character and made him interesting. But many others fail to do so (including Bruce Timm and co. on TAS) and leave him as just the one note villain too many see him as. A character is only going to be as good as what the creators invest in him.
even crap Liefeld creations have become interesting characters under other creators, Cable, Deadpool, and Supreme are all proof of this.
Nolan made the Scarecrow a top notch villain. I don't doubt that he'll use the same magic for Bane. Nolan seems to have a knack for seeing the best potential in the characters he chooses and reworking them in very interesting ways. Ducard as Ra's. Hell, he even made Bruce knowing Joe Chill killed his parents an interesting twist in the creation of Batman.
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
bane basically is a one note character, in the batuniverse. i haven't read the gail simone stuff, but strictly in batman's world, i've never seen him do anything intelligent. his masterminding behind knightfall was... shooting a rocket at arkham?
he's been neato in kelly jones covers, and i liked the pairing with ra's in legacy (might be some of that in rises) but i don't see any depth in the character.
nolan, on the other hand, is a god, so whomever he wants to recreate, i'm fine with giving over to him! from what i've read, nolan used very little from the comics for bane, at least regarding to his origin. sounds good to me, but schumacher could have said the same thing!
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
Bane's only been a one note villain when creators have written him that way. Chuck Dixon actually based the character on Doc Savage and intended for him to be (as mentioned prior) a physical and mental equal to the Bat (with Venom being his ace in the hole). Dixon, and a few other creators (Gail Simone on Secret Six most recently) have actually put thought and craft into the character and made him interesting. But many others fail to do so (including Bruce Timm and co. on TAS) and leave him as just the one note villain too many see him as. A character is only going to be as good as what the creators invest in him.
even crap Liefeld creations have become interesting characters under other creators, Cable, Deadpool, and Supreme are all proof of this.
I know any character can be a good one with the right creative direction behind it (which is why I was wondering what news there was about Nolan's creative take on Bane for this movie)
I never read Knightfall, but I have read a lot of Bane's appearances between the late 90's to mid 2000's (which didn't impress me much) and I haven't read many comics since just after the Sinestro Corps War (everything about comics sort of fell off for me after that) so I never read the Secret Six ongoing (just the miniseries before Bane was on the team that came out I guess maybe a year before they launched the ongoing?)
Anyway, I think I know what happened to Bane now. He was just one of those villains (like Catman, the Wrath, KGBeast, etc,) that was created to be an equal challenge to Batman, but fell off the radar after that due to poor or simply no usage.
I read Knightfall, and while he was sold as Batman's equal, he didn't strike me as such. Partly because he still has henchmen (Bats only has a henchboy) and the writers can't seem to think of a way to show his suposed intelligence, the strategies he comes up with are not that creative, the kind any one of us could have thought of and executed given the right resources (Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
Also, the writers who focus on his addiction to/dependence on Venom doesn't help either. They can show Bats as intelligent and cunning by focusing on the fact that he doesn't have any superhuman powers but can still kick all kinds of ass. Bane, on the other hand, gets slightly above-human abilities from the Venom.
When Bats explained why he has the Yellow Oval symbol even though it works as a big target, you go "oooh, that's very clever!"
When Bane pumps some venom into his system and breaks something (like Croc's hands), you don't get the same impression. How smart do you need to be to pump Strength Juice and then break stuff? Even reax can do that.
(Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
In fact, Ra's Al Ghul did, and it was the basic plot of Batman #400, back in 1986.
(Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
In fact, Ra's Al Ghul did, and it was the basic plot of Batman #400, back in 1986.
That was a good comic.
Since it was pre-Crisis, Batman is forgiven from not remembering it.
i'd like to think that the last thing that went through rex's balding head, other than coming to terms with virginity, was to wonder how the hell others were seeing the exciting new footage of superman joining the dark knight rises while he was stuck, rapidly refreshing a broken link error.
“tent pole” films are necessary for business. Its one reason, studios stake out release dates years in advance, sometimes before there’s even a script (see Spider-Man 4).
