OK, so I'm doing one of these short Joey reviews for this piece of shite. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. Mark Waid sucks...all his new stuff sucks balls...Uschi's balls. Wally is now in charge of the Flash family...hahahahhah..actually not funny. They took a great concept and character and totally fucked him up to match some Kingdom Come bullshit. Didio has totally fucked the DC Universe. The Acuna art is also completely horrid. Thanks Mark Waid for totally fucking up my fucking favorite character....whatta shitbag.

Didn't they learn anything from Spider-Man or countless other characters made lame by Wives and kids??? I don't want fucking reality based comic books I want fucking "comic books". If I want a action movie or a family comedy I'll fucking go watch one you sick fucks.

Fuck DC in the ass.

soooooo....



you didnt like it...?

John Byrne didn't write and draw it.

BEHOLD!!!!!!!!

GAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah those were pretty damn ugly...

No they weren't you are too young to have taste.......

Pig Iran is right, they are not pretty damn ugly




































They a fucking goddamn ugly...........almost as ugly as Elsia!

NO way...you always exagerate.

no. not really...

Yeah you are.

hmmmm nope. but im sorry you feel that way...

OK..quick test...why do you love or hate or only like..any of these artists nmaming at least 4. 1 sentence that makes sense.

Alex Toth
Kurt Schaffenberger
Brent Anderson
Neal Adams
John Byrne
Walt Simonson
Curt Swan
Jim Aparo
Arthur Adams
Michael Golden

wow dude. i dont give a damn about proving anything to you...

i know those names. some of there art I enjoy and some i dont. Its called different taste PI. You like Byrne. I dont. I didnt like him when i was little and i dont like it now.

This is a comic forum..........not the random forum.

um....ok...

Why does John Byrne's art suck? that's easy enough.

Piggie, he is talking about comic art, so it does belong in this forum. No offense, but Byrne's art is awful and commenting on other artists isn't gonna prove anything or change that...

Why do you think its good?

The reasons are all based on opinion, not fact...as with any form of art, its just a matter of one's preference...

and yet again...

OK....it still makes no sense to me. But I guess you guys must like Greg horn and Greg land.

Even if we did, what difference does that make? You made an irrelevant statement that proves nothing, Piggie...

If I made a statement that's irrelevant then all statements are irrelevant because they are all opinion. What is fact and what is opinion? I'm making coimic conversation...what is a review? what is any thread about ...opinion?


That is ridiculous Harley and you know it.

hes drunk harley dear...

Does that make it wrong?

if we were in chat it would make it hilarious...

OK, who are your "current" favorite artists?

PI. who the fuck cares? my taste are my own. Let it go...and for fuck sake sober up...

See...you can't play the game. Buh Bye.

Bullshit.

There are statements of fact, and there are statements of opinion.



Facts can be proven. An opinion is subjective.





No. It's not. What is ridiculous is your attempt to imply that by liking artists B and C, and disliking artist A that one has no taste. It would be just as ridiculous to imply the opposite, i.e., that your liking Byrne and not the other two artists means that you have no taste. That is ridiculous and you know it.

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Because we can't have a discussion if no one else gives an opinion and only I give mine to which you people dog on. I'm fine with that but if I'm the only whipping boy you people are big 'ol pussies.

Can't we all at least agree that Boston's "More Than A Feeling" is the greatest song ever recorded, then just go from there?

Harley you haven't said shit except john byrne sucks basically. If you have anything else to say say it...the rest is mumbled by the sound of Knurkel sniffing your ass.

No, you've chosen to ignore what I've said because you're too busy being a fucking crybaby.

What that you have an opinion..i do..as does the world and get on with life???

Oh I forgot that I was wishy washy on fact as opposed to statement.

Which is what I said from the start, PI - that's all.

Why even talk to anyone then..what is the fucking point?

Cause people are fun.

Yes, yes, it's a great song...but the "greatest"?

Nah....

But if we all agree then there will be peace...

Fucking Yankees fan, ruining it for everyone.

Gee, more opinions...

No!















I like "Foreplay/Long Time" better.

What fun is there in that?



you me... without my Yankee goodness, you never woulda created:
<----- Mo

Piggie, I was only dogging on you in fun. I like you, and you're one of the coolest people I know on here, and I give you some shit from time to time because that's one of the things that my circle of friends does. we give each other shit. there's no need to get so serious about it. people don't have to agree on everything to get along.

spoken like only a mentor could...

I didn't mind the pics.....at least you were showing something. I'll leave it alone after this..my point was that Knut and Harley were giving no reason for their dislike.. It's like a kid's annoying conversation ...
PI: "Why don't you like Byrne's art?"...
Harley:"because" ...
PI:"Because why?"...
Knut: "because"...
PI: "But why?"...
Harley: "because"...

damnit PI...

look. I dont like it. It looks ugly to me. My reasons are my own. If you cant handle that then Im sorry. Your still hilarious and one of my favorite posters on here...

Oh. My. G-d.

You really are a whiny crybaby.

Nice way to deliberately misconstrue what happened by the way. Though you clearly wish to do some revisions on what went on last night, what actually happened was that I disagreed with you - in a civil manner, BTW - and you proceeded to follow me around like my personal bitch going so far as to start a snarky thread about me and imply that I was "shallow" - all because I simply disagreed with you. You did not, as you falsely claim, just ask for an explanaition, or try to enter into a discussion or friendly debate, but rather you immediately became rude and made the implication that because Knut and I did not like Byrne, we must like someone like Land, who you have made very clear in other threads is an artist you believe to be subpar. Instead of having the balls to come out and say that you thought our taste sucked, you took the pussy way out and only insinuated it instead. Grow a fucking spine.

Had you really wanted a reason, rather than taking the bullshit route of saying someone was too young to know better or any of the other rude bullshit things you said last night, then we could have had the discussion that you allege you wanted, instead of having it devolve into your nasty, insulting whinefest that -from the very start, you deliberately turned it into.

You want to keep bitching about this, go ahead. And as I said last night, go fuck yourself while you're at it too.

If you look at the previous 5 pages I think you'll see I wasn't at all out of line until the two of you started getting snarky.

But I'll leave it alone....

No, I've just re-read these pages and you were the one who started with the rudeness from the very begining. I remained civil to you until you called me shallow. And none of this justifies you starting that other thread and calling me that.

If you think I said you were shallow I wasn't using in that exact context, but OK I see your point--Sure, I was using the word to irk you. I was talking about discussion and "taste". Sometimes it's nice to have conversations that go deeper than "I liked that" or "I didn't like that". I think you are deeper than the answers given. I don't even really know you so I can't call you personally "Shallow", Harley. How do I know if you are or aren't--I highly doubt you are?

I will go on now and continue to Like John Byrne art, and I will go and fuck off.

Yeah, those discussions are nice, Dave, but you weren't looking for that, you were looking to start a fight instead.




heh.

Listen, I'm one of the oldest guys here. I was a Byrne fan back when he was an unknown artist toiling away on "Iron Fist." I first picked up "X-men" precisely because he took over the book.

And even now I think that, when he puts his mind to it, Byrne can still turn in some nice work.

With that being said, sorry Pig, but those two drawings suck.

I'm not a huge fan of the silver age flash face, but I think the picture of Jay is pretty damn nice.

And knowing Byrnes art is shit is not an opinion, its a fact!

it's a shame because this Flash series from 1-150 was incredible, and a large chunk of that was Waid.

Okay, I'm a big fan of Byrne's Man of Steel mini as well as the Superman titles he worked on. He's fairly decent when his penciling is backed up by a good inker (Ordway, Giordano). However John's characters look horribly anorexic when he's flying solo (Generations, Lab Rats). I tried tolerating Byrne again when he did JLA with Jerry Ordway (Tenth Circle), and I was somewhat pleased. I only dropped it because of the story. It sucked balls.

I'm still pissed they offed Bart like that. Damn DC. Damn them to the bottomless pits of Rosie O'Donnell's vagina!