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Posted By: Jeremy DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-15 12:20 PM
Created in the wake of the Infinite Crisis and explored in the series Countdown to Final Crisis (and its many spinoffs) is a brand new Multiverse (or meta-universe). Unlike the one that existed before Crisis on Infinite Earths, this Multiverse actually has a limited number of parallel universes. DC's year long weekly comic 52 revealed 51 identical universes containing 51 identical Earths. Each of these would be numbered 1 through 51. The last Earth, formed in the final scenes of Infinite Crisis #7, is actually called "New Earth".

Initially, each of the 51 Earths were exactly alike. This would be altered by the evolved Mr. Mind. During a confrontation with the time traveling Rip Hunter (accompanied by Booster Gold and Supernova/Daniel Carter), Mind began eating pieces of time from each Earth. Each Earth changed with each bite Mind took, resulting in 51 different Earths. Some of the parallel Earths resembled those that existed Pre-Crisis, others were new and have yet to be explored. The following list is what has appeared so far in current DC comics.
  • New Earth: Caused from the destruction of Alexander Luthor’s Multiverse tower. The earth that current continuity takes place on.
  • Earth 1: Separate from New Earth, inhabitants unknown.
  • Earth 2: Similar to the Earth-Two seen Pre-Crisis, with an alternate JSA as the main superhero team.
  • Earth 3: Home of the Crime Society of America as well as the heroic Jokester.
  • Earth 4: Resembles the Pre-Crisis Earth-Four, home of the Charlton Comics characters.
  • Earth 5: The Marvel Family’s world.
  • Earth 8: Seen in Countdown #29 as the home of Lord Havok and the Extremists. BSAMS has been spotted here.
  • Earth 10: The world where Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters continue to fight Adolf Hitler and the Nazi JL-Axis.
  • Earth 12: Stated as the home of the Batman Beyond characters. Possibly the rest of the DCAU as well.
  • Earth 13: An alternate Vertigo Earth.
  • Earth 15: A peaceful world where Batman, Wonder Woman, and the rest of the JLA have been replaced by their sidekicks. Zod is also Superman. Luthor is a humanitarian. And Rob’s blog is a classic work of nonfiction.
  • Earth 17: Home of the Atomic Knights.
  • Earth 18: A world where the JLA are heroes in the Wild West.
  • Earth 19: Shown in Countdown #40 as the world seen in Batman: Gotham by Gaslight
  • Earth 21: Home of characters shown in DC: The New Frontier.
  • Earth 22: The Kingdom Come Earth.
  • Earth 26: Home of Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew.
  • Earth 30: The Earth seen in Superman: Red Son.
  • Earth 31: Possibly the DKR Earth. Countdown: Arena will show more.
  • Earth 32: The world where Batman becomes Green Lantern.
  • Earth 33: Described in Countdown to Adventure as a magical version of the DCU.
  • Earth 34: The Forerunners’ homeworld. They’ll fuck you up, man.
  • Earth 40: Commented as the home of the characters seen in JSA: The Liberty Files.
  • Earth 43: A supernatural world where Batman is a vampire.
  • Earth 50: The Wildstorm Universe.


Finally, a single Antimatter Universe exists alongside these 52 Earths. Each Universe has a Monitor that...well...monitors their Earth. However, a recent issue of Countdown depicts more than 52 Monitors in existence. What that means (besides that someone failed second grade math) has yet to be seen.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 12:42 AM
Glad to see that DC didn't make a complete fucking mess out of that.

Hang on a sec...
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 12:43 AM
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 12:49 AM
On second glance, perhaps this is a joke.

I'll be going now.
Posted By: Prometheus Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 3:16 AM
This will be a good 'source file' thread for the new DCU. Well done, Jeremy...
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 5:15 AM
Thanks! Now if only someone would frontpage this...
Posted By: Prometheus Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 6:34 AM
My power has faded...I think...
Posted By: Bibbo Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 7:16 AM
Wikipedia has a list with some more annotation too. Your addition of RKMB characters, however, is a big help.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 9:48 AM
Nice. I don't see how casual or new fans can be confused by all that garbage at all.
Posted By: whomod Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-16 2:33 PM
casual or new fans??

i think the entire point of tis episode is to confuse as many people as possible to silence the people wanting a multiverse. Then all those old arguments can be trotted out with the weight of their artificially enduced "confusion" ringing true. It's erecting the straw man is all it is.

I say that because I want you all to go back in time almost 2 years and to Infinite Crisis.

Remember how we got Superman of Earth II back simply so he could be the voice of old fandom? Forever bitching about how things were better in the old days and how the new heroes aren't really heroic. He was obviously a stand-in for all the old timers who missed the Pre-Crisis DC and the less "dark" style of storytelling. And the entire point of the exercise of bringing back the Earth II Superman and Alex Luthor was to show fans just how misguided and wrong they were for ever wanting a lighter Earth.

And now we have a multiverse. Which is what old time fans have wanted for 20 years. But after seeing just how deliberately confusing, outright crappy, and convoluted it all is I've realized that THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!

They want the multiverse to be as crappy as they can possibly make it as to reinforce their point that a multiverse is too confusing and a single Earth is preferable. THEY'RE ERECTING A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Let's argue that a multiverse is too confusing by making an incredibly lame confusing and convoluted multiverse! Let's make it convoluted by putting multiple versions of The Crime Syndicate who themselves are supposed to be ONE variation of the JLA. Let's have 2 Captain Marvel's with hardly any difference between them. Let's have another JSA! Let's have not just a few Earth's at a time to be introduced to gradually, but lets have TONS of them all at once and have them numbered and introduced randomly!! One day you'll be on Earth 3, the next day you'll be on Earth 41 with no rhyme or reason. Earth X will suddenly have some random number attached to it that's hard to remember!

By the end of this story i think the entire point is to have fans heads spinning and demanding relief from all these confusing Earths!

They did it in Infinite Crisis and they're still doing it now.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-17 12:53 AM
I don't think DC is smart enough to create a straw man argument. They are being greedy and short sighted as usual, just like they trot out the "Greatest, most bestest Batman crossover evar!" every year and introduce chracters that nobody gives a fuck about, now they are doing that one a grander scale.

Some asshole over there is serious about all this nonsense...
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-17 12:55 AM
You could be right of course, I just give don't DC too much credit for being clever these days...
Posted By: Prometheus Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-17 9:56 AM
 Originally Posted By: MisterJLA
You could be right of course, I just give don't DC too much credit for being clever these days...


I agree. Whomod's argument is well-informed, and diabolical in the least. However, the corporate cash-machine that is DC/WB is just throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

Guess we'll find (some) of it out in Final Crisis...
Posted By: First Amongst Daves Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-17 5:58 PM
 Quote:

Earth 15: Rob’s blog is a classic work of nonfiction.


Superhero fiction always strained belief but this is ridiculous.

Marv Wolfman must have shat a shadow demon reading this stuff.
Posted By: the G-man Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-17 8:13 PM
 Originally Posted By: whomod
They want the multiverse to be as crappy as they can possibly make it as to reinforce their point that a multiverse is too confusing and a single Earth is preferable. THEY'RE ERECTING A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Let's argue that a multiverse is too confusing by making an incredibly lame confusing and convoluted multiverse! Let's make it convoluted by putting multiple versions of The Crime Syndicate who themselves are supposed to be ONE variation of the JLA. Let's have 2 Captain Marvel's with hardly any difference between them. Let's have another JSA! Let's have not just a few Earth's at a time to be introduced to gradually, but lets have TONS of them all at once and have them numbered and introduced randomly!! One day you'll be on Earth 3, the next day you'll be on Earth 41 with no rhyme or reason. Earth X will suddenly have some random number attached to it that's hard to remember!


whomod makes an interesting point. Furthermore, this sort of thing is not without precedence at DC.

Not only was there the incident with the G(olden) A(ge) Superman in Infinite Crisis, but there was the whole Az-Bat plot. Denny O'Neill has said many times he created Az-Bat to silence fans who wanted a darker, more Marvelized, Batman, giving them what they ostensibily wanted, but doing so in a way that would make them dislike the character and hope for the original's return.
Posted By: Captain Sweden Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-23 10:19 PM
Heh. So the people who said Denny thought himself as the new Bob Kane (because he created a new Batman) weren't right, after all...
Posted By: King Snarf Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-23 10:32 PM
Denny O'Neill's a crotchety old douchebag.
Posted By: Captain Sweden Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-23 10:39 PM
WTF?

 Quote:
* Earth-Eleven is an earth home to "Tin," a man who may be one and the same as Tintin. A nuclear war devastated this Earth in 1966.
* Named in Absolute Crisis On Infinite Earths HC (2006)
Posted By: Captain Sweden Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-23 10:41 PM
 Originally Posted By: King Snarf
Denny O'Neill's a crotchety old douchebag.


But he's a cunning crotchety old douchebag.
Posted By: Nöwheremän Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-11-28 4:52 AM
 Originally Posted By: King Snarf
Denny O'Neill's a crotchety old douchebag.

At least he gets laid!
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-04 7:05 AM
The 'rama lists the Earths within the multiverse, additions include Earth 11 as a world of reversed genders and Earth 16 as home of the Super Sons. Also a potential spoiler:

Warning, Spoiler:
Uschi may end up on Earth 10 after the Final Crisis
Posted By: the G-man Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-04 6:39 PM
Only if there's a Nazi Joker there with her.
Posted By: Joe Mama Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-04 6:41 PM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Only if there's a Nazi Joker there with her.


ChriSS Oakley wants to live on Nazi Earth.
Posted By: rex Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-05 10:26 AM
 Originally Posted By: Jeremy
I'm a tool with no sense of humor and don't like it when people have fun in the comic book forum.
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-11 8:45 AM
 Originally Posted By: Joe Mama
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Only if there's a Nazi Joker there with her.


ChriSS Oakley wants to live on Nazi Earth.


Feh, he wouldn't stand a chance there.
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-30 2:06 AM
As revealed in Countdown, Earth 51 is a peaceful world where the JLA acted quickly and efficiently. They rid their planet of crime then disbanded and retired, except for the Batman. New Earth's Ray Palmer was found there. He took the place of his counterpart and lived a happy life with Jean and his friends (who did not experience the events of Identity Crisis).
Posted By: K-nutreturns Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-30 2:11 AM
Warning, Spoiler:
spoilers!
Posted By: Pariah Carey Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2007-12-30 2:39 AM
heh
Posted By: Doc Paragon Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-03 8:02 AM
what world does Vanguard Europe exist on?
Posted By: Prometheus Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-04 6:24 AM
Earth Canceled...
Posted By: Doc Paragon Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-04 7:34 AM
\:\(
Posted By: K-nutreturns Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-04 7:35 AM
 Originally Posted By: Prometheus
Earth Canceled...



heh
Posted By: Prometheus Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-04 8:00 AM
 Originally Posted By: Doc Paragon
\:\(


Yeah...
Posted By: LLance Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-28 12:15 AM
 Originally Posted By: whomod
casual or new fans??

i think the entire point of tis episode is to confuse as many people as possible to silence the people wanting a multiverse. Then all those old arguments can be trotted out with the weight of their artificially enduced "confusion" ringing true. It's erecting the straw man is all it is.

I say that because I want you all to go back in time almost 2 years and to Infinite Crisis.

Remember how we got Superman of Earth II back simply so he could be the voice of old fandom? Forever bitching about how things were better in the old days and how the new heroes aren't really heroic. He was obviously a stand-in for all the old timers who missed the Pre-Crisis DC and the less "dark" style of storytelling. And the entire point of the exercise of bringing back the Earth II Superman and Alex Luthor was to show fans just how misguided and wrong they were for ever wanting a lighter Earth.

And now we have a multiverse. Which is what old time fans have wanted for 20 years. But after seeing just how deliberately confusing, outright crappy, and convoluted it all is I've realized that THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!

They want the multiverse to be as crappy as they can possibly make it as to reinforce their point that a multiverse is too confusing and a single Earth is preferable. THEY'RE ERECTING A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Let's argue that a multiverse is too confusing by making an incredibly lame confusing and convoluted multiverse! Let's make it convoluted by putting multiple versions of The Crime Syndicate who themselves are supposed to be ONE variation of the JLA. Let's have 2 Captain Marvel's with hardly any difference between them. Let's have another JSA! Let's have not just a few Earth's at a time to be introduced to gradually, but lets have TONS of them all at once and have them numbered and introduced randomly!! One day you'll be on Earth 3, the next day you'll be on Earth 41 with no rhyme or reason. Earth X will suddenly have some random number attached to it that's hard to remember!

By the end of this story i think the entire point is to have fans heads spinning and demanding relief from all these confusing Earths!

They did it in Infinite Crisis and they're still doing it now.


Silly Whomod! Can't keep track of 52 Earths! Sheesh!
Posted By: Irwin Schwab Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-28 1:17 AM
theyre in llance's belly.
Posted By: Spammer Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-01-30 3:32 AM
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-03-01 2:17 AM
Thankfully Countdown is nearing its end. I'll be happy when it's done and Trinity starts up.
Posted By: First Amongst Daves Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-03-11 1:01 PM
So the protagonists of the 52 story were an alternative earth where Diana Troy, Dick Grayson and Kyle Rayner all replace their mentors?
Donna Troy.
Posted By: Jeremy Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-03-14 2:46 AM
 Originally Posted By: First Amongst Daves
So the protagonists of the 52 story were an alternative earth where Diana Troy, Dick Grayson and Kyle Rayner all replace their mentors?


The current Challengers of the Unknown are Donna, Kyle, Jason (Todd), and the Atom (not Ray Palmer) of New Earth. Oh, they have a monitor with them...his name is Bob. They traveled to Earth-15 looking for New Earth's Palmer. While there, they ran into their counterparts who took over for Bruce, Hal, and Diana. Check out the first post in this thread for the other info. I made it simple cause I care so much!!
Posted By: Nöwheremän Re: DC's new Multiverse (so far) - 2008-03-14 2:48 AM
 Originally Posted By: Jeremy
 Originally Posted By: First Amongst Daves
So the protagonists of the 52 story were an alternative earth where Diana Troy, Dick Grayson and Kyle Rayner all replace their mentors?


The current Challengers of the Unknown are Donna, Kyle, Jason (Todd), and the Atom (not Ray Palmer) of New Earth. Oh, they have a monitor with them...his name is Bob. They traveled to Earth-15 looking for New Earth's Palmer. While there, they ran into their counterparts who took over for Bruce, Hal, and Diana. Check out the first post in this thread for the other info. I made it simple cause thats how I like my men!!
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