I linked to this so it will update as the outbreak progresses.
This became public knowledge in late December 2019. Initially it was 60-80 deaths and about 3,000 known cases. 2 days ago, it was 150 known deaths and 8,000 known cases. Now 305 known deaths and about 14,000 known cases.
While it initially appeared that China had been forthcoming and cooperative with world health organizations from the beginning, it has been increasingly clear that China knew about this outbreak as far back as a year ago, and did not make the rest of the world aware until the epidemic ceased to remain only inside China's borders.
In fact, Chinese doctors who revealed details earlier in their social media accounts in an effort to make the Chinese public aware, were severely punished by the Chinese government, in the Chinese government's efforts to keep the Coronaviris outbreak secret as long as possible.
On the plus side, against the hyperbolic coverage in the media, Coronavirus has been fatal in a relatively small number of cases, about a 0.03% rate of death in all cases. In most cases killing those with already compromised and very fragile immune systems.
And of cases in the U.S., there are currently only 8 confirmed cases, with many hundreds of others recently arriving back from China in quarantine for up to 14 days (although for reasons I don't understand, most are only being quarantined for 3 days instead of the full potential 14 day incubation period). And no fatalities in the U.S. So far as I know, all the fatalities have only occurred in China, no other nation that deaths have spread to.
On the downside, there has been 1 case in the U.S. where a wife transferred it to her husband, that might indicate it is more contagious then previously believed. But as I understand it, the husband had weakened immunity, and chose to spend a lot of time exposed to his wife even when she was already symptomatic. So possibly that caused him to be infected where others would not be.
And the normal flu virus kills tens of thousands in the U.S. annually, and therefore at present would be more reasonably feared in the U.S. than Coronavirus.
A 44-year-old Chinese man visiting the Philippines is the first known fatality outside China to be linked to the coronavirus, the World Health Organization said Sunday. The Philippine Department of Health also confirmed the death and said the man’s 38-year-old female companion remained hospitalized with the virus in Manila, according to the Associated Press.
The Philippines has enacted a temporary ban on non-Filipino travelers from China and its autonomous regions. Other countries, including the U.S., also have implemented restrictions on foreigners arriving from China in a bid to contain the spread of the virus. The man who died in the Philippines and his companion were both from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak that has killed more than 300 people and sickened more than 14,000 in China, according to reports. He was admitted to a hospital in Manila on Jan. 25 and developed severe pneumonia soon after, Reuters reported.
Both he and the woman arrived in the Philippines after traveling through Hong Kong on Jan. 21, Philippine health officials said. In recent days the man’s condition had been stable “and showed signs of improvement,” but worsened in the hours leading up to his death, Health Secretary Francisco Duque said.
“We are currently working with the Chinese embassy to ensure the dignified management of the remains according to national and international standards to contain the disease,” Duque said, according to Reuters. Duque added that investigators were seeking information about the health of other passengers on the flights that the couple took to reach the Philippines.
Meanwhile, six officials in Huanggang, a city near Wuhan, have been fired for “poor performance” in addressing to coronavirus outbreak, China’s Xinhua News Agency reported. The city’s mayor said its response has been inadequate and the officials failed to address a shortage in medical supplies, the AP reported.
Seven countries – the U.S., Australia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, the United Emirates and Vietnam – reported new cases of coronavirus on Saturday, while Spain reported its first case, the AP reported.
Britain, Russia and Sweden have also reported their first infections, according to Agence France-Presse.
The U.S., Australia, New Zealand and Israel have each banned foreigners from entering if they have been in China recently, while Russia, Mongolia and Nepal have closed land borders, AFP reported.
As of 3 February 2020, approximately 19,843 cases have been confirmed,[4][16] including in every province-level division of China.[4] The first confirmed death occurred on 9 January[17] and since then, as of 3 February 2020, 426 deaths have been confirmed.[4] A larger number of people may have been infected, but not detected (especially mild cases).[18][19] The first local transmission of the virus outside China occurred in Vietnam from a father to his son,[20] whereas the first local transmission not involving family occurred in Germany, on 22 January, when a German man contracted the disease from a Chinese business visitor at a meeting near Munich.[21] The first death outside China was reported in the Philippines, where a 44-year-old Chinese male citizen confirmed to have contracted the coronavirus, Streptococcus pneumoniae and influenza B died on 1 February.[22][23]
In response, Chinese cities with a combined population of over 57 million people, comprising Wuhan and 15 other cities in the surrounding Hubei province, were placed on full or partial lockdown, involving the termination of all urban public transport and outward transport by train, air and long-distance buses.[24][25][26][27] Many New Year events and tourist attractions have been closed to prevent mass gatherings, including the Forbidden City in Beijing and traditional temple fairs.[28] Hong Kong also raised its infectious disease response level to the highest level and declared an emergency, closing its schools until March and cancelling its New Year celebrations.[29][30]
For about 2 weeks, new cases of Coronavirus in China seemed to be increasing at a lower rate and showing signs of containment. Late last night, China increased its diagnosed cases by 15,000 in a single day, with 254 deaths in a single day. Which again indicates China has not been forthcoming about how truly widespread and uncontrolled the virus is.
China still won't allow CDC medical teams into the country to see what the true situation is.
Gordon Chang, interviewed by Lou Dobbs on Monday, let on that there is panic in Chinese cities, and (video shown) of Chinese officials going into people's homes and forcibly removing infected citizens with brutal force to an internment location, likely taking them somewhere to die in mass numbers out of public view. And that the number of cases could be two, three or even ten times the official number of cases reported by China.
I've been aware for some time that virtually every product is maanufactures in Coronavirus-infected China. A great deal of our packaged food, probably only fresh fruit and vegetables are grown domestically in the U.S., or maybe Mexico. The virus could come in on other products such as hardware or lumber or electronics. Or transmitted by those who deliver these items into U.S. shipping ports. It will cause, and already has, a cataclysmic decline in China's economy. And will likely cause a decline in the U.S. economy by about 1%. Needless to say, many U.S. businesses are very reliant on Chinese suppliers. For both health and economic reasons, more reasons to return manufacturing to the U.S., to end U.S. reliance on maanufacturing from China, and to secure our borders from illegal immigration. So as not to leave the U.S. so exposed to an outbreak, or to a break in manufacturing supply again. And likewise, thank God we are now oil-independent for the first time in 70 years. We need to be manufacturing-independent and food-independent, pharmaceuticals-independent and electronics-independent as well.
On the plus side, the disease is expected to peak and level off in new cases by April, after which the hot weather should reduce new cases. Apparently pneumonia-type viruses don't survive and spread as well in hot weather.
I just re-watched this Vincent Price movie, The Last Man On Earth about 2 weeks ago, at the peak of the outbreak concern. At least for now, it seems to be contained with 98% of the cases in China. But a movie about a global death-plague was a little close to home when I saw it at that time.
Based on the novel I Am Legend by Richard Matheson, and he wrote the screenplay for the movie under a pseudonym. Also re-made as The Omega Man in 1971 with Charleton Heston. And again as I Am Legend in 2007 with Will Smith.
Wikipedia posts quite a few older and obscure movies online in their entirety, apparently with expired copyrights.
President Trump is the one who made the decision to not allow any Chinese travel to the U.S., which was met with the usual rounds of "no, no, that's excessive, prejudicial, racist, etc..."
But then Trump did it anyway, protecting the nation. And every other nation in the world followed suit. Which has done a lot to contain the virus' spread to remain about 98% within China alone. And allegedly the virus had its peak of new cases in China from Jan 23rd and Feb 2nd. If that turns out to be true, I'll breath a deep sigh of relief when that turns out to be the case.
The only cases so far in the U.S. have been quarantined recent travelers returning from China, and the largest number of those flown back to the U.S. after having been quarantined for two weeks prior aboard a Japanese cruise ship, that in tight quarters spawned a number of cases.
And then in the last 3 days, a sudden explosion of new cases in South Korea (the largest outbreak outside China, 1,000 infected, 10 dead), in Italy (about 200 infections, and a few deaths), and Iran (like China, very unforthcoming, an estimated 95 infections and maybe 16 or more deaths). With no explanation of a clear path how the disease spread to any of these 3 nations. If the Coronavirus outbreak is mostly in one nation, or just a few, we can prevent its spread by restricting travel to the U.S. from those nations. If it spreads to 20 or 50 or 100 nations, it gets much harder to restrict travel from that many nations.
Tucker Carlson had a rather alarming program last night (Monday, 2-24-2020), even though he was just calmly trying to present the facts of what is possible, that we should prepare for the worst, just in case. By Carlson's account, the news media across the rest of the world is very focused on Coronavirus and warning people what to do. Whereas the U.S. media is oddly silent on the subject, and fixated on another reprisal of "Russia is trying to steal the 2020 election for Trump!!" Yet another overture of the lying Trump is a Russian asset narrative.
It's chilling to think of what would be happening to this country right now if Hillary Clinton or some other establishment Republican were president the last 3 years. There would not have been a ban on Chinese travel, and there would be a lot more cases of Coronavirus in the U.S., perhaps an uncontrollable number. And without Trump's example, other nations of the world would not have followed that example, and the Coronavirus would not be almost exclusive to China.
Likewise, Trump started a trade war with China about a year ago, and as a result, many companies formerly doing all manufacturing in China had in advance moved much of their manufacturing outside of China to nations like Vietnam, India, the Phillipines, and Indonesia. Thank God! Under Hillary Clinton or some establishment Republican, we would still be almost 100% dependent on China as our supplier. Thanks to Trump, that dependency was vastly diminished right before this virus hit.
Also to consider, we get our surgical masks and latex gloves, our over-the-counter and prescription drugs from China. 80% of both our parmaceuticals and the ingredients they are made from are in China. Melissa Francis, Dr. Marc Seigel, and others have described this as a potential national security threat to the U.S.. What if China exhausts those supplies fighting their own outbreak, then has none to send us, and we have an outbreak without those supplies? Likewise, the potential break in supply of electronics we now depend on from China.
As seen on Monday when the stock market crashed, closing down 1,031 points for the day, this has become not only a health crisis, but also an economic crisis. Over the last month, it has already crippled China's economy.
Now, with the spread to South Korea, Italy and Iran, it becomes far more questionable whether the virus outbreak can be contained. From Italy with open borders to the E.U., it could easily spread to the rest of Europe. THAT is what made the stock market crash, that it will endanger trade and exports from Europe in addition to China.
And Iran, that has a terrible healthcare system and a dishonest government, is one that is most likely not to contain its outbreak and let it spread to other nations. The more nations it spreads to, the more likely it will reach the United States. And U.S. hospitals are preparing for that risk. What some, including Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Health, are seeing as an inevitability at some point. A vaccine for Coronavirus is forseen as about a year to 2 years away.
Senator Cotton has been vocal about the fact that the food market in Wuhan that is where the Coronavirus outbreak allegedly spread from animals to humans, is about 4 miles from a viral research lab. Over the weekend, Chinese propaganda media finally ran a story that said the market is NOT the source of the outbreak, but have not yet admitted it was leaked either on purpose or by accident from that lab.
Another story I saw said that test animals from the lab when their usefulness is ended, are often sold as meat secretly for extra money by lab technicians!
China still has not allowed CDC or WHO or NIH doctors in to investigate the origins of the virus, or to see China's records tracking the disease. Sen Cotton said today that "What we see from China are not the new cases each day, but the carefully selected old cases they are willing to acknowledge." That the number of infections and deaths in China is likely far beyond what the Chinese government is willing to disclose.
U.S. equities tumbled for a second session amid heavy volatility that pushed the Dow Jones Industrial Average briefly below the 27,000 level. All three of the major averages opened with modest gains but quickly rolled over into negative territory extending the previous day's losses that were brought on by the spreading of the coronavirus outside of China.
The CDC advised Americans that the disease could spread in the United States prompting a new wave of fears. White House Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow, speaking to reporters, acknowledged that the coronavirus will hit first-quarter GDP while stressing it is too soon to evaluate the full impact.
The selling on Tuesday follows Monday's drop which was the steepest decline for equities in two years As money flowed out of stocks, investors bought U.S. Treasurys. The yield on the 10-year note closed down 4.9 basis points at a record low 1.328 percent, a sign of a flight to safety.
The equity selling follows Monday's rout as the Dow Jones Industrial Average and S&P 500 fell more than 3 percent to their biggest losses in two years while the Nasdaq endured its largest decline since December 2018. Updated figures from the World Health Organization show the coronavirus has infected 79,331 people worldwide while killing 2,618.
Looking at stocks, drugmakers working on treatments for the coronavirus, including Gilead Sciences and Novavax continued to gain ground while airlines and cruise operators recouped some of their losses.
"published 18 minutes ago." Wow, this press conference must have just ended!
The novel coronavirus has sickened over 80,000 people worldwide and killed at least 2,700, across 35 countries, leading one expert to say that it fits the criteria for “Disease X,” a designated placeholder on the World Health Organization’s (WHO) list of illnesses that have potential to reach international epidemic levels.
“Disease X is a term that was coined by WHO,” Marion Koopmans, a member of WHO’s emergency committee, and head of viroscience at Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, told Fox News. “After the Ebola crisis in West Africa, they did an in-depth evaluation on what went wrong, and the so-called R&D blueprint for emerging disease was developed.”
“Disease X” was added to WHO’s “Prioritizing diseases for research and development in emergency contexts” list of illnesses that includes Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF), Ebola and Marburg virus disease, Lassa Fever, MERS, SARS, Nipah and henipaviral diseases, Rift Valley fever and Zika. “There [are] a number of diseases on that list that we know, but also ‘Disease X,'” she told Fox News. “That is meant to alert the world to think about how to prepare for these diseases.”
Under its definition, the health agency noted that “Disease X represents the knowledge that a serious international epidemic could be caused by a pathogen currently unknown to cause human disease, and so the R&D Blueprint explicitly seeks to enable cross-cutting R&D preparedness that is also relevant for an unknown ‘Disease X’ as far as possible.” COVID-19, as it’s been named by WHO, “fits the Disease X category,” Koopmans wrote in the journal Cell last week.
According to Koopmans, it’s the first time a disease fits the criteria for “Disease X” since the blueprint was created in 2016. Koopmans said the blueprint helps the agency think ahead to what possible threats may be looming so that it can better prepare to handle a widespread pandemic or outbreak. It also helps the agency prepare for funding needs and ways to fast-track vaccine development.
And while the agency declined to label the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic on Monday, Koopmans said that it has little relevance as to whether it would qualify as “Disease X.” “Pandemic simply means there is global widespread circulation,” she said. “The blueprint diseases can also be a disease with regional major impact.”
The outbreak has seen a number of unprecedented shutdowns and quarantines across the globe, with China first cutting off Wuhan, the virus epicenter, in an effort to stop the spread. Elsewhere, those returning from coronavirus-hit regions have been under 14-day quarantine periods while airlines have suspended routes to the disease hotspots.
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the past few weeks have demonstrated “just how quickly a new virus can spread around the world and cause widespread fear and disruption.” Still, as new countries report cases of coronavirus, experts caution that not every case may stem from China.
“Many different countries around the world may be sources of COVID-19 infections,” Mark Woolhouse, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh, told The Associated Press. “This makes it much harder for any one country to detect and contain.”
That last paragraaph I take to mean, while Coronavirus may have originated from China, it is now widespread enough that a new outbreak could come from any number of nations.
"Published 4 hours ago".
Apparently the health agencies chose today to tell America that this is headed here. This is terrifying.
And the stock market that was making a mild recovery predictably tanked immediately.
Needless to say, the stock market had another precipitous drop yesterday (Tuesday) as well. The last two days combined are the stock market's largest two-day drop ever, wiping away the entire gains of the last year.
A $1.7 trillion loss in 2 days. Currently the Dow is only down about 150 points down.
And with previous scares for outbreaks of Ebola or Sars, the market losses were completely regained within 6 months.
Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.
Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.
Uh...
Originally Posted By: WB
President Trump is the one who made the decision to not allow any Chinese travel to the U.S., which was met with the usual rounds of "no, no, that's excessive, prejudicial, racist, etc..."
But then Trump did it anyway, protecting the nation. And every other nation in the world followed suit. Which has done a lot to contain the virus' spread to remain about 98% within China alone.
If it were President Hillary Clinton instead of Trump, this Coronavirus would already be raging out of control across the United States, and across many other nations who followed Trump's example by stopping Chinese flights to their countries as well.
Now gee, what a surprise, when Trump proposes $2.5 billion to fight Coronavirus and find a vaccine, Sen. Chuck Schumer and other Democrats raise a panic that it's not enough. I trust Trump a lot more than I trust the knife-in-the-back treacherous Democrats who hate America and would have let 20,000 passengers a day from China keep pouring in, just to not look "racist".
I commend the mayors of San Francisco and New York City (both Democrats) for taking extra preparatory measures in their cities. But certainly Trump's preventive measures are much more than you and the vicious partisans leading your party give him credit for.
yes you tried painting a turd. It’s still a turd that tweeted about the stock market being great while it’s plummeting. Obvious foolish lies doesn’t stop a virus.
Probably time for Trump to stop tweeting about how great the stock market is and get his fat ass in gear for the very likely event of the virus hitting the US.
You know what would be a great reaction to the virus? Closing the borders and restricting immigration.
Trump reaction: Common sense measures to contain the virus and keep it out of the U.S. It is not inevitable that there will be widespread outbreak in the U.S., but it makes sense to restrict travel from infected nations, and to have hospitals prepare in advance for the worst if it happens.
Democrat reaction: ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!! And despite that Trump has done more to prevent spread of Coronavirus from China than any other president would have, if any outbreaks occur in the U.S., it's President Trump's fault personally, and he was somehow negligent.
Remind me again: Which party is it that wants open borders, and has done everything in its powers to undermine Trump's securing of the borders? And called any attempt to restrict travel in protection of the United States "racist"?
I think it goes without saying trump people are very comfortable with his lies but reality is all the stock market gains are now erased, income inequality has never been greater and health care just became the major issue. Oh and Pence is now in charge of the virus.
I think it goes without saying trump people are very comfortable with his lies but reality is all the stock market gains are now erased, income inequality has never been greater and health care just became the major issue. Oh and Pence is now in charge of the virus.
The Democrats are truly the party that is built on lies. Every week you guys have a new lying narrative, and every week you don't even blink when it is thoroughly disproven, and you eagerly buy into whatever this week's lying narrative is, until that one is disproven.
It stands to reason that the U.S. stock market would decline, as stock markets worldwide are declining as a direct result of the Coronavirus panic. Trump is only doing his job as president, to minimize unnecessary panic, and give assurance that the situation is being haandled. Even as the vicious Democrats try to weaponize it to hurt Trump.
Pence, as you may know, was previously governor of Indiana, and so has administrative experience, and administering healthcare in his state. Pence has also been administering the Space Force and has gotten good reviews in administering that. Also, while Pence is in charge, he has healthcare professionals who are doctors as his subordinates. Doesn't it make sense to have someone who is second only to the president in charge of something this important?
Btw, one safe prediction in all this, Trump will blame Obama for this somehow.
I believe the whole world is blaming the Chinese, who knew about this outbreak for at least 2 months, before informing the rest of the world, and only at that point because it had already spread to other nations, and they could no longer hide it. And China still won't allow in doctors from CDC, WHO, and NIH to study the virus and track its origins. I saw Dr. Fauci today of the NIH say we've learned a great deal more from aiding against the outbreak in South Korea in the last few days than we learned from the secretive and uncooperative Chinese.
Trump has only pointed out that Obama had cut CDC/NIH preparedness for an outbreak, that Trump strenthened soon after his inauguration in 2017. And Trump only drew attention to that in answer to the vicious lying Dems who had already politicized the Coronavirus situation and already tried to blame Trump.
Please explain to me why Sen. Schumer said $2.5 billion Trump had authorized to fight the Coronavirus outbreak was not enough, and why Schumer said 8 billion was needed. Based on what hard statistical numbers? It's a number Schumer just pulled out of his ass based on nothing, to posture and say Trump was not doing enough. Trump has already done much more than a president Hillary Rodent Clinton would do. Hillary, or any of the 2020 Bolshevik candidates, would have left 20,000 Chinese tourists a day streaming into this country to infect the rest of America. And done nothing to control even more contagion from coming in through millions of illegals across our Southern border. Because of Trump, illegal crossings are down 90%, and Trump has *ENDED* "catch-and-release"!
As opposed to the 2020 Democrats, the party who hates America, who would de-criminalize illegal immigrants, and thus guarantee millions more would enter, including millions with Coronavirus. Not to mention all the other diseases illegals have been bringing for decades. And gangs. And drug traffickers. And rapists, drunk drivers and other criminals who prey on U.S. citizens. If given the opportunity, your party would set them loose to burn this country to the ground. Even now Dems are trying every day to destroy the security Trump has achieved in spite of Democrat obstruction.
More money was in play for previous dangers like Avian Flu in the past. I think it’s stupid to now come up with a much smaller amount of funding for a virus that seems to be spreading much faster. But Trump’s low ball number was made when he was talking about the stock market being good while it was plummeting. His efforts to downplay this threat is going to cost us dearly. And instead of leadership we get the usual partisan tantrums from a truly unfit pos.
And under Obama we actually had a capacity that was working in other countries including China in trying to prevent something like this happening. All that dwindled under Trump.
More money was in play for previous dangers like Avian Flu in the past. I think it’s stupid to now come up with a much smaller amount of funding for a virus that seems to be spreading much faster. But Trump’s low ball number was made when he was talking about the stock market being good while it was plummeting. His efforts to downplay this threat is going to cost us dearly. And instead of leadership we get the usual partisan tantrums from a truly unfit pos.
And under Obama we actually had a capacity that was working in other countries including China in trying to prevent something like this happening. All that dwindled under Trump.
The way Trump spent half of what Hillary Clinton did, but still won the 2016 election in an electoral landslide victory? Throwing more money at the problem doesn't necessarily mean choosing the most effective strategy. I don't observe that CDC or NIH are clamoring for more money than Trump is proposing. It seems to me that Democrats are just throwing out another lying narrative with nothing to back it up.
AGAIN: What are the detailed proposals that warrant $8 billion, rather than Trump's proposed $2.5 billion? It's just Democrat lying damagoguery, with no science or statistical facts to back it up.
Or as pundit Larry Elder termed it, "an even greater outbreak of TDS: Trump Derangement Syndrome".
You’re the one doing the lying WB if your trying to make this just a democrat thing. I watched republican elected officials having some of the same questions and misgivings about this administration’s preparedness for this virus. It’s not just democrats that are concerned and that have legitimate criticisms. When you have shitbags like Trump and his shills out and out lying about the stock market doing well and asking people to turn off their tv’s, that to me is indefensible and stupid.
As the virus spreads in this country Pence defends Trump jr’s despicable comments about democrats wanting coronavirus. This administration can still find new lows.
I think a recession is pretty much guaranteed btw. Trump already had the feds taking almost everything it could do to prop up his economy plus the huge deficit spending that is always okay with republicans if they have the WH.
What I see is even the New York Times saying Trump did the right thing by suspending all flights from China. That "while civil rights activists look down on restricting flights, it was unquestionably the right thing to do."
And I'm so sure that if Trump did all the things that the Democrat/Left says he should have done, they'd all be singing his praises now at how extraordinarily well Trump had handled the Coronavirus situation...
Not a chance in hell. No matter what Trump does, the Democrats and liberal media will rail on him. Despite that Trump has already done way more to protect the U.S. from an outbreak than any Democrat would do, by simply suspending flights and securing our southern border.
Originally Posted By: M E M
I think a recession is pretty much guaranteed btw. Trump already had the feds taking almost everything it could do to prop up his economy plus the huge deficit spending that is always okay with republicans if they have the WH.
Yet another demonstration of how much the Democrats hate America. They're praying for a recession, they're praying for a Coronavirus outbreak, anything to prevent Trump from being elected. No matter how much it hurts millions of Americans. The people the Democrats pretend to care about.
I’m not praying for horrible stuff to happen. The sad truth is that is what you want to be true. You stopped seeing me as a fellow countryman but an enemy that you and other republicans were at war with a while back. So you dehumanize the other side with shit like Trump’s son spouted and phony Christian Pence defended. In your world it’s good and evil is one party vs the other and criticism of Trump being automatically evil. Your own words betray your moral weakness. I gave up on you being a better person a while back too but it’s sad to see you keep sinking further.
Do you honestly think at this point a recession is probably likely? I don’t think it’s all that crazy. And I think it’s fairer than when Trump called Obama’s economy a bubble that ended up being most of this country’s longest period of economic growth in history.
I’m not praying for horrible stuff to happen. The sad truth is that is what you want to be true.
You reflexively try to destroy President Trump at every turn, and absolutely refuse to acknowledge anything he does right. Obviously that includes hoping for a Coronavirus outbreak, just to rationalize that it was somehow Trump's fault and he made a bad decision, to weaponize and defeat him politically. I've repeatedly cited all the things Trump has done to protect us from Coronavirus that no other president would have done.
"Pocahantas" Elizabeth Warren wants to take away money from the border wall to fund Coronavirus protections! That's essentially keeping out air flights of the Coronavirus-infected, while welcoming the infected across our southern border. Insane.
Originally Posted By: M E M
You stopped seeing me as a fellow countryman but an enemy that you and other republicans were at war with a while back.
I actually still like you and think you're a nice guy, M E M, I just think you have blinders on and absolutely refuse to process the truth. I'm pretty clear that it's your side that has declared TOTAL WAR on the Republican party and on Trump supporters. It is YOUR side that is completely intolerant and unwilling to work bipartisanly. It is YOUR side that is attacking Trump supporters in the streets by the hundreds in incidents almost daily. DONT'EVEN TRY to lie and reverse that as if it were happening in the other direction.
As I've said repeatedly, in 2008 and 2012, Republicans selected as their candidate the most bipartisan, moderate and milquetoast candidates they could possibly pick. Even George W. Bush before running in 2000 had a clear record of bipartisan legislation with Texas legislators while he was governor of Texas. Bush's vote for war against IIraq in Sept 2002 was bipartisanly passed. Likewise his S-CHIP, No Child Left Behind, and Prescription Drug plan, among others, all bipartisan. But Bush was still railed on by these same Democrats as "right wing", "warmonger", and "racist".
John McCain in particular was a hero to the Democrats for the way he consistently attacked W. Bush and other Republicans. Whomod here in 2004 used to say "If only the Republicans would run someone moderate, someone like John McCain..." But as soon as McCain was the candidate in 2008, your side demonized him as "right wing", "warmonger", "extreme", and of course, "RACIST!"
Romney likewise was very bipartisan as governor of Massaachusetts and passed Romneycare. Democrats in Massachusetts, and in the media, had virtually nothing negative to say about Romney while governor. Only when he became a presidential candidate did he morph in their narrative into an evil righ guy. Suddenly now "right wing", "vulture capitalist", and of course, "racist".
Even in the case of Donald Trump, this is a guy who spent his life as a New York liberal, and only changed his party from Democrat to Republican a week before he announced his candidacy. Trump is not an ideological Republican or right-winger, he is a pragmatist, that Democrats, if they were not so vicious, could have negotiated with and gotten a lot of what they wanted. It is YOUR SIDE who declared TOTAL WAR on Trump, and now bemoans the level of acrimony and uncivility, THAT THEY THEMSELVES CAUSED!
Originally Posted By: M E M
So you dehumanize the other side with shit like Trump’s son spouted and phony Christian Pence defended. In your world it’s good and evil is one party vs the other and criticism of Trump being automatically evil. Your own words betray your moral weakness. I gave up on you being a better person a while back too but it’s sad to see you keep sinking further.
Democrats can be good people who make bad decisions. And the best in your party I think will eventually realize they've been on the wrong side, and eventually side with the Republicans who are trying to save the country. Many Democrats who made a bad decision in 2016 will be persuaded by Trump's accomplishments since 2016, and be part of the wave that will re-elect him in 2020.
But certainly, there are those among the Democrats who are truly evil, and eagerly slander opponents to destroy the country, out of 1) marxist-driven HATRED for the country, or 2) for their own cynical political gain, regardless of the damage to the country they cause. In the marxist evil category I would place the Clintons and the Obamas, William Ayers, Houma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, Jennifer Palmieri. These are the true believers who want to topple this country in a revolution. And Bernie Sanders.
In the the second category of more pragmatic cynical Machievelliaan politics, Joseph Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Rahm Emmanuel.
But the results of their destructive tactics lead to the same damage to the country. As do their dupes among the Democrat grassroots.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Do you honestly think at this point a recession is probably likely? I don’t think it’s all that crazy. And I think it’s fairer than when Trump called Obama’s economy a bubble that ended up being most of this country’s longest period of economic growth in history.
I think you are again cheering on a recession that is not a sure thing or even likely, just as a way for Dems to weaken and defeat Trump, at the cost of tens of millions of working Americans. There is a great possibility that when the hotter months come, the Coronavirus will just run its course and disappear the way SARS or Anthrax or Ebola outbreaks have. And Coronavirus has by far a far less ratio of lethal cases. Even in undeveloped countries, a fatality rate of about 2 to 3%. I saw a CDC doctor on TV say that with superior medical care here, that ratio could be less than 1% in the U.S. And even at its worst, most health officials and doctors predit that Coronavirus will kill far less people than the normal flu will, that kills between 18,000 and 80,000 people worldwide every year world. Like with the regular flu, it tends to kill people who 1) have previously existing respiratory problems, 2) have diabetes or other circulatory problems, 3) are obese, or 4) are elderly, infants or otherwise have fragile immune systems.
Regarding Trump's comments on Twitter, I don't endorse everything Trump does, and while I like that he posts on Twitter as a way to circumnavigate media bias aagainst him, I still think he posts at times in a self-defeating way, or re-Tweeting things in error, or just insults in poor taste. Sometimes the insults are warranted, other times not, and reflect badly on him.
But certainly Trump is not the first president to at times say callous, inaccurate or inappropriate things, whether on Twitter or in front of the press.
For example with Obama:
"The police acted stupidly..", or "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon...", or "You didn't build that...".
Or people who voted in primaries for Hillary and not him in 2016: "clinging to their guns and religion and their antipathy toward others not like them." Note that Obama portrayed Democrat white voters in Pennsylvania and West Virginia like that, as white racist. But didn't portray Puerto Rico voters a week or so later that way when they similarly chose Hillary Clinton over him. Why were Puerto Ricans not labelled the same by him for not choosing a black candidate? Making clear it was a calculated lie by Obama for political gain.
Even in his early post-college days working for ACORN, training classrooms of ACORN "community organizer" marxist street agitators in Alinsky tactics, others at ACORN recognized Obama as the "unchalleged master" of Alinsky Rules For Radicals tactics of racial demagoguery and stoking racial anger for Leftist organizational purposes. DECEPTION. These are precisely the destructive tactics Obama's comments as president stoked.
What Trump commented on in Twiiter posts when Obama was president at least was based on facts, that Obama's policies were punishing toward business and strangled economic growth, and stifled what under any other president than Obama would have been a far greater rate of economic recovery. Obama's was the weakest economic recovery since the Great Depression, despite Obama throwing trillions of bailout taxpayer dollars at the problem. A lot of the "growth" that Obama and the Dems claimed in the latter half of Obama's 8 years is by ignoring the 5 million jobs that disappeared in Obama's first term. A lot of the economic "growth" of Obama's term was just digging America out of the 5 million-job-loss ditch of his first term. So Obama didn't "create 8 million jobs in just 4 years", he drove the economy down to levels approaching depression, and when the economy had nowhere else to go but up, some of those jobs came back, in spite of Obama's economic growth-killing policies. Obama also counted temporary jobs like census workers as "jobs created" when in truth they were government-subsidized jobs that only lasted a few weeks.
In any case, Trump's Twitter comments predicting downturn under Obama's presidency wasn't saying anything that a lot of Wall Street investment pundits on TV and in print weren't already saying. And Trump was a private citizen who had no plans to run for president at the time, that campaaign still being years away from even the planning stages. So a bit more leeway should be given to a wealthy private citizen who was not a political leader, vs. comments by both Obama and Trump at the time they became candidates or presidents.
Some of the bombast that wealthy private citizen Trump was known to say for decades, before he became a political candidate, were thrown back in his face when he became a candidate. He was a private citizen with enormous power who could say pretty much anything and get away with it. But once he became a presidential candidate, these comments became unacceptable, and I think it took Trump a while to realize he couldn't get away with voicing outrageous comments as a candidate the way he could as a private citizen.
And Mayor Bloomberg is experiencing the same thing now, that things he said as a wealthy private citizen, or even got away with as mayor, were suddenly unacceptable in a presidential candidate. And were actually far more repulsive, sexist and racist than the worst things dredged up that Trump had said. Not to mention 30 or so sexual harassment lawsuits, women all paid off by Bloomberg, with a gag order on disclosing any of the details. In a "woke" me-too Democrat party, that proved to be his downfall.
Despite that I live in Florida, it's very frustrating that both national and local news only say "two, three, four people in Florda have tested positive for Coronavirus". And for roughly a week now, never details of who or where in the state. Only with a google search did I find any details:
ORLANDO, Fla. — Another presumptive positive case of the coronavirus in Florida has brought the number of in-state patients to four, along with five other Floridians who are recovering in other states.
Gov. Ron DeSantis announced the third presumptive positive coronavirus case in an in-state resident. The man is in his 70s and lives in Santa Rosa County. The governor said the man had been traveling internationally.
According to the Florida Department of Health website, two other infected Florida residents are in the state, one in Hillsborough County and the other in Manatee County. Another person with the virus in Hillsborough County is not a Florida resident, officials said.
Five Florida residents have been diagnosed with the virus outside of the state.
Health officials said there are 69 pending test results in Florida and 248 people being monitored. There are more than 95,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in 79 countries and territories, according to the World Health Organization. More than 3,200 people have died worldwide
There are more than 160 U.S. cases of coronavirus, CNN reports and those numbers are expected to rise. The U.S. death toll stands at 11 — 10 in Washington State and 1 in California.
It's likely that those in other states outside California, Oregon, Washington and New York are, like me, seeing coverage of Coronavirus in their own states eclipsed by the larger outbreak in these most heavily-hit states.
Those three counties are all in the Tampa/Clearwater area, on the West side of Florida. Even as a resident of Florida, I had to look at a map to see where those counties were.
Amid the panic and hype that the media are stirring, while they say "95,000 cases worldwide" it was only Lou Dobbs that I saw (last night) emphasize that over 51,000 infected have alreaddy fully recovered.
The virus seems to not affect young people, and to badly affect people with immune deficiencies and/or the elderly. And in all these cases in Florida, it appears to stem from travel outside the country, or to other areas of the U.S. with Coronavirus infection cases.
In the case of Oregon, 9 of the 10 cases that resulted in death occurred at one elderly nursing home. That healthcare workers are among those at most risk for the virus, and also the likely carriers to their infirm patients.
It's disturbing that high-ranking officials in the Iranian government have died of the disease. Also several doctors in China, including the doctor who first sounded the alarm on Coronavirus in China on social media. I consider it entirely possible that while under arrest, he was deliberately infected by the Chinese to silence him. Although he clearly dealt closely with Corona-infected patients well before he was arrested.
I wish the media, if not disclosing the identity of those infected in the U.S., would at least give some personal details about those infected: their age and gender, what if any health problems they had prior, whether they are retired, or working in what profession, and where they had recently travelled to. These details, while not compromising their identities, would at least give the entire public knowledge of what precautions to take to avoid infection.
I saw a guy interviewed on Laura Ingraham last night who was infected and made a full recovery. And that both he and his family have been getting death threats. The only rationale I can think of for that is if people thought he had purposely lied, deliberately hidden that he was infected, and deliberately put others at risk of infection. In his case, I think he was completely honest and didn't put others at risk. But a week ago, I saw an elderly New York Jewish lady who was flown back from a cruise ship in Japan, and she admitted on camera that her and her husband knew they were infected before boarding the plane to the U.S., and that they both lied just to get out of Japan and back to the U.S., and in doing so put everyone aboard the plane at risk of infection. That pissed me off, just watching the story. She deserves death threats.
There's a table comparing various outbreaks to the current one. The 2019-2020 outbreak listed is not Coronavirus, but the regular seasonal outbreak, which is expected to far surpass the Coronavirus "CoVid-19" outbreak. Currently about 2,900 Coronavirus deaths, vs. an expected 80,000 deaths from the regular flu virus.
It's also been pointed out by Dr. Marc Siegel that with the 2009 "Swine Flu" outbreak, there were about 20,000 infections in the U.S. and 1,000 deaths in the U.S. before then-president Barack Obama even began to take steps to contain the outbreak. Relative to that, the media coverage and panic certainly is eexhibiting a double-standard relative to how an even greater outbreak was covered under Obama, under a president who did a lot less to contain the threat, and a lot less to proactively prevent its outbreak from China into the U.S.
Trump is trying to downplay this and crossing into actually misinforming the public in dangerous ways.
I realize this is the lying narrative you and your party are trying to sell, yes. It remains a fact that Trump's early ban on Chinese flights to the U.S. (set in place while your party was still trying to maaliciously impeach him without evidence) has prevented tens of thousands of new infections in the U.S. And Trump has been far more proactive than presidents during either the 2003 SARS outbreak, or the 2009 Swine flu outbreak. As I said prior, Obama didn't even begin preventive measures until 20,000 in the U.S. were infected with Swine Flu, and 1,000 were dead already. Comparatively, there are currently about 150 infected with Covid-19, and 12 dead, 11 of the 12 in one nursing home in the Seattle area.
Draw your own conclusions. My conclusion is it's another lying Democrat narrative conspired to damage Trump. Even if the evil bastards in your party hurt the country even more in the process.
How can Trump "misinform" when it is NIH and CDC that are doing daily press briefings? To manufacture panic, Democrats were lyingly alleging that NIH director, Dr. Anthony Fauci was being restrained and silenced, that Fauci himself quickly corrected to say was absolutely untrue, that there was no restraaint on his daily public statements of the known Coronavirus facts.
There isn’t a lying narrative in having valid criticism over Trump’s almost daily bouts of misinformation on coronavirus. You tell me how it’s good that Trump lies and says anybody can get tested if they want when even Pence is saying we don’t have enough kits?
And Obama declared an emergency when just 20 people in this country were infected with something that had a much lower mortality rate than this virus. Oh and guess what your rotten pieces of garbage like Hannity were doing while this country was fighting H1N1?
“ And what were Sean Hannity and other right-wing media figures doing at the time? They were waging a serious misinformation campaign about the H1N1 flu, the vaccine, and the Obama administration’s response to it. For example, radio host Rush Limbaugh speculated that the administration was “hyping the number” of cases in order to “sell health care” — referring to the administration’s efforts to pass the Affordable Care Act.
At the time, Hannity fearmongered that a committee recommendation of the priority list in case of vaccine shortages amounted to government rationing against seniors, which had been a common right-wing scare tactic during the passage of the Affordable Care Act. (In the specific case of the H1N1 flu, seniors were less at risk in comparison to young children.)
And even while warning of vaccine shortages and rationing, Hannity in October 2009 hosted anti-vaccine radio personality Deirdre Imus, who insisted it was “misinformation” that the vaccine was even safe to begin with.
The same month, Limbaugh also publicly boasted that he wasn’t getting the vaccine, defiantly stating, “Screw you, Miss [HHS Secretary Kathleen] Sebelius. I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must.” He also gave voice to conspiracy theories from Louis Farrakhan that the vaccine might have been developed just to kill people. ” I think you know you’re actually the one with the lying narrative WB .
Obama ”Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities. Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.”
Obama ”Protect yourself and your community from coronavirus with common sense precautions: wash your hands, stay home when sick and listen to the @CDCgov and local health authorities. Save the masks for health care workers. Let’s stay calm, listen to the experts, and follow the science.”
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As compared to what?
Trump closing down flights from China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak? That prevented a larger outbreak proactively, instead of waiting for it to hit us. And many other nations followed Trump's example.
I fail to see how "real leader" Obama did more than Trump. But I can't emphasize enough how Obama in similar circumstances did far less than Trump to protect the country. As I cited in numbers above, an outbreak under Obama was 50 times worse, when Obama began to take preventive measures. And yet the liberal media didn't try to invoke the panic they have under far lesser outbreak conditions under Trump.
There isn’t a lying narrative in having valid criticism over Trump’s almost daily bouts of misinformation on coronavirus. You tell me how it’s good that Trump lies and says anybody can get tested if they want when even Pence is saying we don’t have enough kits?
I don't see any cited facts there, just lying narrative with no specifics to back it up. Trump said that it's inevitable that some people will go to work with the virus knowingly or unknowingly infected. Lying Democrats twist that to say Trump is encouraging them to go to work sick. And I don't see where it's a "lie" for Trump to say that at present the kits are not available everywhere yet, but health officials are working hard to get them produced and distributed to every corner of the U.S., so that in every city doctors and hospitals will be able to test those who might have the virus.
I mean, if I go to a supermarket and the shelves for rubbing alcohol and disenfectant wipes are completely empty, does anyone really believe your lying propaganda that Trump said there are test kits for everyone in America? No. Obviously, they are working to make the test kits available, that are not ready yet. I pay more attention to what the CDC and NIH have to say, than what Trump or his political enemies are saying.
Originally Posted By: M E M
And Obama declared an emergency when just 20 people in this country were infected with something that had a much lower mortality rate than this virus. Oh and guess what your rotten pieces of garbage like Hannity were doing while this country was fighting H1N1?
Total horseshit. I just told you what the numbers were.
Originally Posted By: M E M
“ And what were Sean Hannity and other right-wing media figures doing at the time? They were waging a serious misinformation campaign about the H1N1 flu, the vaccine, and the Obama administration’s response to it. For example, radio host Rush Limbaugh speculated that the administration was “hyping the number” of cases in order to “sell health care” — referring to the administration’s efforts to pass the Affordable Care Act.
How is it that I watched Hannity almost nightly through the Obama years and never saw this? Whereas you, who don't watch Hannity, and get what you "know" about Hannity and Fox News from Media Matters, allegedly know this?
Originally Posted By: M E M
At the time, Hannity fearmongered that a committee recommendation of the priority list in case of vaccine shortages amounted to government rationing against seniors, which had been a common right-wing scare tactic during the passage of the Affordable Care Act. (In the specific case of the H1N1 flu, seniors were less at risk in comparison to young children.)
And even while warning of vaccine shortages and rationing, Hannity in October 2009 hosted anti-vaccine radio personality Deirdre Imus, who insisted it was “misinformation” that the vaccine was even safe to begin with.
The Obama administration did plan "death panels" for Obamacare, to shut out the elderly from care, to make more rationed healthcare resources available for younger people. It was widely discussed that an illegal immigrant in his 40's would qualify for heart surgery, while a taxpaying U.S. citizen in his 70's or 80's would be rejected for the prrocedure. As recently as a week ago, Mike Bloomberg was voicing the same ideas, of denying care to the elderly, to ration more care to be available for the young.
It makes me laugh that the maniacs in your party deny this.
Originally Posted By: M E M
The same month, Limbaugh also publicly boasted that he wasn’t getting the vaccine, defiantly stating, “Screw you, Miss [HHS Secretary Kathleen] Sebelius. I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must.” He also gave voice to conspiracy theories from Louis Farrakhan that the vaccine might have been developed just to kill people. ” I think you know you’re actually the one with the lying narrative WB .
Again, I listen to Hannity almost nightly, certainly all through the Obama years, and I haven't ever heard any of this. And Hannity isn't someone where he says something one night, he repeats himself a lot over many nights and weeks. I trust my own memory of watching Hannity almost nightly since 2008, over the slice-and-dice of what he actually said as spit up by Media Matters or some other liberal blog. Something Media Matters likes to gloss over is when things are saaid as aa joke by Hannity, Limbaugh, Trump or whoever on the conservative side, and fronting that they were dead serious when saying it. For example, when Trump jokes in front of a campaign rally that Russia must have hacked Hillary Clinton's e-mail server, hey, why don't we just ask for the missing e-mails from Russia. And next day in Mediaa Matters and other liberal sites, they are reporting that Trump was secretly conspiring with Russia to get the e-mails from them, rather than just joking about it on TV in front of an audience of thousands. If there is any truth whatsoever to what you allege, I would guess that Rush Limbaugh was just mentioning Louis Farrakhan's conspiracy theories in a joking context, to show that even among far-left liberal circles there was dissent and distrust about HHS secretary Sebelius' credibility on a vaccine. As I recall, Sebelius was the one at the center of the utter and complete failure of Obamacare's launch in 2013, that began with complete chaos and a website that no one could register on for months, along with many hired healthcare registration agents who had previous convictions for fraud and identity theft, and were doing so again with information of peeople they registered. Complete chaos. This may have been the final straw that resulted in her resignation.
It's hilarious to me how Snopes bends over backward to defend Obama against allegations in a PJ Media article of his less proactive measures aagaainst Swine Flu in 2009, than Trump has exhibited in 2020.
They play fast and loose with the fact that there was a pandemic already occurring when Swine Flu cases reached the United States in April 2009. Snopes says a pandemic had not yet been officially declared until June 2009.
Snopes also glosses over that Trump (amidst being impeached without cause, no less!) simultaneously cut off all direct flights from China. And that at no time during the Swine Flu outbreak did Obama take similar preventive action. That ultimately resulted in 12,000 dead in the U.S. from Swine flu, and about 275,000 hospitalized.
None of this gets around the fact that Trump's preventive action prevented tens of thousands more Coronavirus infections, and at the very least has bought the U.S. more time to prepare for further infection by those entering from other infected nations.
Snopes consistently reads like a site that is run by Democrats, that is hell-bent on making the most negative spin possible against Trump and other Republicans. While running cover for Democrats.
From April 12, 2009, to April 10, 2010, in the United States, there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated.
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Obama’s acting director of health and human services declared H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26, 2009. That was when only 20 cases of H1N1 — and no deaths — around the country had been confirmed.
H1N1 [a k a, Swine Flu] was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization on June 11, 2009. In other words, the Obama administration’s public health emergency declaration came more than six weeks before the pandemic designation.
On Oct. 24, 2009, six months after his administration declared H1N1 a public health emergency, Obama declared it a national emergency. At that point, H1N1 had claimed more than 1,000 American lives, according to the CDC.
Just getting around the carefully chosen language here, I'd say a "pandemic" is occurring when a disease has already spread to over 40 of 200 nations worldwide, and to every continent but Antarctica. When this has occurred, it doesn't matter whether it has officially labelled by WHO or CDC or whoever as a "pandemic", it fucking damn well is a pandemic already, regardless of the official terms.
In the cases of both Obama and Trump, they both for the most part followed the recommendations of their NIH/CDC medical experts. And in both cases they declared emergencies in advance of an official "pandemic" declaration by the WHO or NIH/CDC.
I'd say the leadership that both these liberal sites like to gloss over is that : 1) Trump (amid impeachment, no less) took the decisive step of cutting off flights from China to avoid further spread of the virus. And the liberal media called him "racist" and so forth for taking that pragmatic step to protect Americans. 2) Trump over the previous year had done much to secure the Southern border from illegals (down 90%) that no other president, Democrat or Republican, certainly not Obama or Hillary, would have done.
and 3) Trump had us in a trade war with China for the last year, that had pushed a lot of manufacturing in China to neighboring countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, India and the Phillipines, right before Coronavirus immobilized China. And because of that push of maanufacturing out of China, the U.S. was far less reliant on China and had diversified its suppliers, right before the Covid-19 outbreak began. China's poor handling and steadily lying about the Coronavirus outbreak, will only serve to push even more manufacturing out of China, and for national security and economic independence reasons, much of that manufacturing will return to being domestically produced in the United States.
None of these facts are adequately covered in these Democrat/Obama-favoring "factcheck" listings.
Despite that I learned a lot, and it explores a lot that has nothing to do with Lou Dobbs, it annoys me that they label it as "mostly true" but never cite or even imply anything that Dobbs allegedly got wrong. I watched Dobbs' interview with HHS Secretary Alex Azar, and I frankly thought Dobbs was a bit hard on the guy, end even a bit of a jerk to him, but he did make the point that the secretary was giving assurances of safety, without hard testing data to back up those assurances. Sometimes one has to rattle the person they're interviewing to get an honest answer, and that's what Dobbs did.
It's hilarious to me how Snopes bends over backward to defend Obama against allegations in a PJ Media article of his less proactive measures aagaainst Swine Flu in 2009, than Trump has exhibited in 2020.
They play fast and loose with the fact that there was a pandemic already occurring when Swine Flu cases reached the United States in April 2009. Snopes says a pandemic had not yet been officially declared until June 2009.
Snopes also glosses over that Trump (amidst being impeached without cause, no less!) simultaneously cut off all direct flights from China. And that at no time during the Swine Flu outbreak did Obama take similar preventive action. That ultimately resulted in 12,000 dead in the U.S. from Swine flu, and about 275,000 hospitalized.
None of this gets around the fact that Trump's preventive action prevented tens of thousands more Coronavirus infections, and at the very least has bought the U.S. more time to prepare for further infection by those entering from other infected nations.
Snopes consistently reads like a site that is run by Democrats, that is hell-bent on making the most negative spin possible against Trump and other Republicans. While running cover for Democrats.
Why do you feel it’s appropriate to attack snopes for correcting a conservative website’s misinformation? Are you even pretending you’re for truthful reporting no matter the side? Do you have any bar for honesty with your side? I just don’t see one to be honest. You can’t even acknowledge that the conservative site was wrong. Just like Trump was wrong about anyone being able to get tested. It’s just not true according to not only Pence but the CDC as well. Do you understand that isn’t what a leader should be doing during an emergency?
It's hilarious to me how Snopes bends over backward to defend Obama against allegations in a PJ Media article of his less proactive measures aagaainst Swine Flu in 2009, than Trump has exhibited in 2020.
They play fast and loose with the fact that there was a pandemic already occurring when Swine Flu cases reached the United States in April 2009. Snopes says a pandemic had not yet been officially declared until June 2009.
Snopes also glosses over that Trump (amidst being impeached without cause, no less!) simultaneously cut off all direct flights from China. And that at no time during the Swine Flu outbreak did Obama take similar preventive action. That ultimately resulted in 12,000 dead in the U.S. from Swine flu, and about 275,000 hospitalized.
None of this gets around the fact that Trump's preventive action prevented tens of thousands more Coronavirus infections, and at the very least has bought the U.S. more time to prepare for further infection by those entering from other infected nations.
Snopes consistently reads like a site that is run by Democrats, that is hell-bent on making the most negative spin possible against Trump and other Republicans. While running cover for Democrats.
Why do you feel it’s appropriate to attack snopes for correcting a conservative website’s misinformation? Are you even pretending you’re for truthful reporting no matter the side? Do you have any bar for honesty with your side? I just don’t see one to be honest. You can’t even acknowledge that the conservative site was wrong. Just like Trump was wrong about anyone being able to get tested. It’s just not true according to not only Pence but the CDC as well. Do you understand that isn’t what a leader should be doing during an emergency?
First off, I've established many times that Snopes is partisan-Left, that Factcheck is a branch of the Washington Post, and Politifact is a branch of the Tampa Tribune, the latter two of which source publications are rabidly anti-Trump and anti-Republican. And the Washington Post in particular has been caught endless times in the last 3 years deliberately manufacturing stories and having them blow up in their faces, in their zeal to publish something negative about Trump without verifying their sources.
One example I can think of offhand is when Washington Post tried to allege new witnesses of sexual misconduct a year after Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation. The one "source" said she didn't say it, all her friends --interviewed by OTHER MORE REPUTABLE sources -- said she had no memory of such an incident, and the second source was an ultra-Democrat partisan lawyer who had clashed with Kavanaugh during the 1998 Clinton special investigation, who would clearly allege anything to get back at Kavanaugh. The WP reporters involved made a half-hearted apology for their "mistake" after the fact.
I've also clearly established many other times that Factcheck and Politifact choose conservatives for factchecking 75% of the time, and only factcheck/criticize Democrats/liberals 25% of the time, to keep up some semblance of equal criticism and impartiality.
My point was they didn't "correct disinformation". They chose their terms very carefully and hid the true facts, the true facts THAT I CITED.
I love how the liars of the Democrat/Left try to turn it around and accuse Republicans of being liars, to hide that THEY, THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE TRUE LIARS. That's a pattern that plays out over and over.
Democrats are guilty of treason and enablisng Soviet/Russian spies, for decades. They hide this by accusing Trump and other Republicans of treason and "collusion" with Russia. The liberal media, including factcheck sites, fly cover for the Dems. Democrats incite violence against Republicans. They hide this by accusing the Republicans of violent "hate speech" that incites violence. But over and over, it turns out that, after false liberal media reporting of initially calling it a Tea Party or "right wing" shooter, a day or two later it inevitably turns out to actually be a liberal. (George Zimmerman a Democrat, Jared Loughner a Democrat, the Aurora Colorado movie threatre shooter a Democrat, the Sandy Hook Shooter a Democrat, Christopher Darden who killed multiple L.A. police officers a Democrat WHO WAS AN AVID CNN AND MSNBC VIEWER WHO PRAISED MULTIPLE ANCHORS OF THOSE 2 NETWORKS IN HIS ONLINE MANIFESTO, a story invisible to the liberal media. The Breitbart article I've cited multiple times of the over 600 attacks on Republicans for things as minor as wearing a pro-Trump MAGA hat, etc., etc. )
Do YOU have any bar for honesty, M E M? Does ANYONE on your side? Because I don't see it to be honest. I've cited the true facts over and over, you appear immune to them. No matter how many times the liberal media are proven to have misrepresented the facts, over and over, unquestionably. YOUR SIDE are the ones engaging in the most incendiary rhetoric, clearly inciting violence. (Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, against the Covington Catholic High School kids, and just days ago Chuck Schumer threatening the U S Supreme Court, to name just a few examples.) YOUR SIDE are the ones overwhelmingly violently attacking Republicans. I don't know how you can deny it. ( Again, the Breitbart-reported examples, and another article I cited that estimates there have been an average of two Democrat attacks on Trump supporters every day Trump's been president. )
You are alleging something about Trump there is no evidence of, the lie that Trump alleged everyone can get a Coronavirus test right now. That's ridiculous, and spinning Trump out of context. Even if Trump had actually alleged that, the NIH and CDC and Vice President Pence would have immediately clarified and corrected him. You're lyingly fronting that Trump lied, just to undermine him. I trust the NIH and CDC and the Vice President leading the coronavirus task force to cite the most accurate facts, and they say they are expediting mass-producing coronavirus test kits to be made available to every medical facility nationwide. It's illogical that Trump would allege it's already available, when it's clear Trump and everyone else are working to get them manufactured and distributed nationwide.
A president's job, "what a leader should be doing", is to protect the nation from all threats, foreign and domestic. I would say the domestic threat is the Democrat party. Protecting the U.S. is precisely what Trump did from the outset, stopping flights from China, what neither Barack Obama or any Democrat or milquetoast Republican would have had the decisiveness and clarity to do. Preventing and delaying tens of thousands of potential Coronavirus infections.
And your vicious lying party has been obstructing and undermining Trump every step of the way. Your side **WANTS** to destroy this country, to cause maximum damage, just to try and prevent Trump from being re-elected. Whether by disease, or preventing Trump from securing the border as promised, or stoking economic disaster with their Chicken-Little sky-is-falling rhetoric (Paul Krugman, Bill Maher, etc.), the lying Democrats are working every day to make these things happen with their lying talking points. Defeating Trump is their only goal, no matter how much damage they do to the country in the process. I would say that's the proof that Democrats hate America, their eagerness to destroy it just for their own political gain.
I think you sidestepped the whole fact that Obama did declare an emergency when there where only 20 confirmed cases of h1n1 in the US. Even the conservative website corrected their misinformation. And going back to that emergency also reveals how Hannity and other conservatives actually were doing what you’re trying to accuse the other side of doing. Again you spend a lot of time making accusations and hating the other side but that doesn’t undo what the conservative website did or the despicable actions of Hannity and others during that time of crisis.
I think you sidestepped the whole fact that Obama did declare an emergency when there where only 20 confirmed cases of h1n1 in the US. Even the conservative website corrected their misinformation. And going back to that emergency also reveals how Hannity and other conservatives actually were doing what you’re trying to accuse the other side of doing. Again you spend a lot of time making accusations and hating the other side but that doesn’t undo what the conservative website did or the despicable actions of Hannity and others during that time of crisis.
Conservatives at that time weren't trying to impeach Obama. Conservatives at that time weren't deliberately trying to tank the economy just to destroy Obama's chances of being re-elected. Conservatives at that time didn't openly call for tanking the economy as a strategic way to block Obama's re-election (Bill Maher, Paul Krugman). Conservatives at that time didn't gleefully cheer when the stock market tanked as an instrument to bring down Trump's presidency (again, Paul Krugman).
I don't see where Hannity or other conservatives were doing anything "despicable", in spite of you trying to spin it that way. They voiced legitimate concerns about how effective preparations here were to prevent a similar outbreak as was occurring outside the U.S. Anf the reality is, 6 months after Obama's preparations, there were 1,000 dead in the U.S. About 3 months in now, under Trump, there are 21 (aand that's including deaths aboard cruise ships, not technically on U.S. soil).
Trump's comment about tests "ready" was explained by Fauci and Pence as there were test kits prepared and anticipated to be ready at that time, but there was a glitch in producing them that prevented them from actually being ready on time, so a simpler version will be ready on Monday in the hundreds of thousands, and in the millions by the end of the week. You spin that as a "lie" by Trump, despite that in reality Trump was speaking in the moment a few days ago about what was anticipated to be ready at that time. This was thoroughly discussed on Fox News Sunday.
What is "despicable" is how Democrats and their ideological brethren in the liberal media leap at every opportunity, FOR THREE YEARS, to spin breaking news negatively to try and destroy Trump, and who clearly plot and express glee at destroying the nation itself as acceptable collatoral damage, just to get Trump.
No surprise to see such poor rationalization WB. Someday yes we will probably have enough test kits despite shitbag’s declaration that anyone can get tested. This is a man who didn’t want this latest cruise ship’s passengers to be able to dock and be quarantined because it would make the numbers go up. Just plain old evil. And you enable him.
No surprise to see such poor rationalization WB. Someday yes we will probably have enough test kits despite shitbag’s declaration that anyone can get tested. This is a man who didn’t want this latest cruise ship’s passengers to be able to dock and be quarantined because it would make the numbers go up. Just plain old evil. And you enable him.
When you make comments like that, M E M, everyone knows who the real "shitbag" is. And he looks back at you in the mirror every morning.
Your irrational hatred of a president who acted quickly as no other president would, suspending flights that prevented tens of thousands of infected people from entering the country, is just beyond the pale. Your side would never have suspended flights of the infected, never have secured our borders. "Catch and release" has ENDED under Trump. Your side would have continued to let them run wild, just in time to spread the virus.
Trump wanted the safest conditions possible set up before the cruise ship docked in California. AGAIN: multiple outbreaks during Obama and other previous presidents had far higher rates of infection, and diseases far higher ratios of death, such as Ebola, SARS and Swine Flu, made hardly a ripple in media coverage during Obama's and other presidencies. Democrats and their partisan-liar brethren in the media are weaponizing Coronavirus as a political tool to damage Trump's popularity.
In the end, despite the lying Democrats and media, a majority recognize that despite some level of Coronavirus outbreak, Trump has been and will continue to protect this country better than any of the maniacs of the Democrat/Bolshevik Left.
We've seen the contempt that Democrats have for the American people with Demmocrat policies that have created out of control illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, enabled thousands of homeless in the streets in Democrat cities nationwide harassing taxpaying citizens and business owners. Democrat policies that eliminate bail requirements and allow criminals to violently attack taxpaying citizens multiple times in the same day, policies that encourage shootings and attacks on police, Democrat hatred and demonization of white America, and ultimately, Democrats who embrace centrist/authoritarian/socialist/communist mob-rule power grabs that would collapse our Constitutional republic. The only America the Democrat Bolshevik Left loves is one they can radically transform it into.
For all the lying propaganda your side unleashes, the public still recognizes you for the nation-destroying America-hating Bolshevik liars you are.
Trump said he didn’t want the numbers to go up as it pertained to the cruise ship. It’s there in black and white. He’s a shitbag. Name call all you want but your hatred of so many people is truly ugly.
Trump said he didn’t want the numbers to go up as it pertained to the cruise ship. It’s there in black and white. He’s a shitbag. Name call all you want but your hatred of so many people is truly ugly.
With all due respect, M E M, you're a "shitbag" for saying that about a president who is quantifiably the most accomplished president in 50-plus years: In economic growth. In rising wages for the middle class. In re-establishing trade deals with nations worldwide in the U.S.'s favor, that are for the first time truly free and fair trade. In securing our borders. And relative to this topic, taking unprecedented measures to block the spread of Coronavirus. There is absolutely no other 2016 or 2020 candidate, of either party, who would have been able to do all these things, let alone have the desire to.
It's incredible irony that you repeatedly call the president "shitbag" and other labels, and then bemoan namecalling.
And that's just aa sample of Democrat malice and corruption. These are just a few snapshots of the monstrous ideological fanaticism of the Democrat party.
I didn't hate your party in 2000, I didn't even fully hate it in 2004 or 2008. But the fanaticism that was visible then, that could have been temporary, but has manifested itself to have become a permanent change. And the Democrat fanaticism has actually deepened since then: Open borders, de-criminalizing illegal immigration, the anti-police, anti-ICE and anti Border Patrol rhetoric of Ocasio-Cortez and others, that is ranted verbatim by Antifa thugs shooting up ICE facilities. Democrat rhetoric that stokes violence even against police and soldiers, who because of Democrat rhetoric can't even wear their uniforms outside of work without being attacked or killed. Gee, why do I hate the Democrats?
Democrats have become the Bolshevik party, operating on a standard practice of vicious slanders, intimidation, threats and violence.
It is not irrational to hate criminals and thugs. It is not irrational to hate a political party who stoke violence and want to overthrow our Constitutional republic, and replace it with a centralized authoritarian "socialist" government.
When the Democrats' leadership since the Obama administration has openly praised leaders like Mao Tse Tung, Che Gueverra, Castro, the Sandinistas, Hugo Chaves, and in the cases of Berni Sanders and Obama mentor Frank Marshall Davis, and Obama mentor William Ayers, praised Josef Stalin. Are we to believe the Democrats' "socialist" model is Scandinavia, when they've praised the most brutal and genocidal communist leaders of the last century? No. WE KNOW what they would REALLY implement.
And we know what your party of authoritarian criminals routinely does with any power they are given: they weaponize it against their political opposition.
That was the case with Obama and the IRS during the 2012 election.
And emboldened by getting away with that, their even further emboldened power grab using the FBI, DOJ, CIA and FISA court during the 2016 election. And their ongoing coup against the Trump administration, for over three years, ever since.
The Biden Campaign has been praised by James Comey, Susan Rice, Susan Powers, Eric Holder, Sally Yates, and many others of the worst players in the FBI/DOJ/FISA abuses. And has even said Biden would appoint many of these corrupt players right back into power if Biden were elected! Your party is corrupt to the core. Openly endorsed by the Deep State.
And these are the same abuses of power, of weaponizing the IRS and other agencies against political opponents that goes back to Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, JFK, and LBJ. Your party is corrupt to the core, and since 2000 has become increasingly bold in displaying what it has always been. And what it would eagerly do if it ever regained power.
Like the Ayers Weather Underground, Sanders camapign staffers are talking about violent revolution, and putting Republicans and other dissenters in "Gulags" and "re-education center" concentration camps.
The only difference between these Sanders staffers and the more "mainstream" Democrats such as Barack Obama, who advised the 2020 Democrat candidates to "discuss these things after the election", is the secretiveness with which the Obama and Hillary cult of the party advance the same ambitions. In other words, Obama and they believe the same things about weaponizing government against political enemies and dissenters and taking away guns and freedoms as a Bernie Sanders or a Beto O'Rourke, but the core of the DNC's strategy is to LIE to the American people, to PRETEND to care about middle class issues and jobs and moderate policy. And then once in office, would do the same fanatical things as the Bernie Sanders wing.
These are truly dangerous people, that should never have political power. There is no separation between them and a Josef Stalin or a Mao, or a Che Gueverra, or Hugo Chaves or Fidel Castro. People many in Obama and Hillary administrations have openly praised. They have telegraphed their intentions, loud and clear.
Trump is a shit bag in a very easy to understand way. The example of him saying he would prefer the people stay on the cruise ship because it would keep the number of infected down. That’s what he really cares about. You let your hatred for anybody not in your cult blind you so your personal and partisan attacks don’t have any bite here.
Trump is a shit bag in a very easy to understand way. The example of him saying he would prefer the people stay on the cruise ship because it would keep the number of infected down. That’s what he really cares about. You let your hatred for anybody not in your cult blind you so your personal and partisan attacks don’t have any bite here.
Again, you only prove that YOU are the shitbag by saying that.
Trump's primary concern is avoiding spread of the virus to 321 million Americans. The ship came ashore, didn't it? In controlled conditions where the military took the infected passengers off for medical treatment (those with symptoms) and quarantine isolation (those without symptoms).
AGAIN: If it were up to the Democrats, there would be 20,000 potentially infected passengers arriving on airline flights every day from China, and the disease would be running wild across America. Dr Anthony Fauci said on Lou Dobbs tonight that Trump's cessasion of flights was "absolutely, without question the right thing to do" and has prevented tens of thousands of infections. As did the delay of taking cruise ship passengers off any sooner. The needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few, or of the one.
The Democrat governor of California today thanked President Trump for promising California "whatever they need" to combat the Coronavius outbreak, and then following through and unwaveringly keeping that promise. A lot of Democrats in Hollywood and in Washington DC cheering for a plague outbreak to bring down Trump's presidency will no doubt be hating on Gov. Newsom for that, and be giving him payback for not staying on the DNC script, to never admit that Trump has done anything right, let alone acknowledge Trump displayed exceptional leadership in a crisis.
I think we both know what Trump meant when he said he didn’t want the passengers to get off the cruise ship because it would make the coronavirus numbers go up. No hidden meaning or a gaffe. That is who he is, who he’s always been. A shit bag.
Trump has continued to downplay this threat at the same time whining about democrats and the media. We don’t have enough tests even at this point!
By having the CDC and NIH and V.P. Pence give daily press briefings of the actual facts?
How stupid do you feel right now?
Stupid would be cheering on the bag of shit that downplays or entirely contradicts what even his people are saying during such a dangerous time. We will look back at the lack of tests and preparedness in general, his proposed budget cuts, his nasty partisan swipes and give Trump the credit he really deserves.
Trump has continued to downplay this threat at the same time whining about democrats and the media. We don’t have enough tests even at this point!
By having the CDC and NIH and V.P. Pence give daily press briefings of the actual facts?
How stupid do you feel right now?
Stupid would be cheering on the bag of shit that downplays or entirely contradicts what even his people are saying during such a dangerous time. We will look back at the lack of tests and preparedness in general, his proposed budget cuts, his nasty partisan swipes and give Trump the credit he really deserves.
The most accomplished president in at least 50 years.
The most legislation. The most judges appointed by far. The best economic numbers by far, for every demographic, even blacks, hispaanics and women. Re-negotiated trade deals with Japan, South Korea, China, Central America, Mexico. An unprecedented 90% reduction in illegal immigration, and building a border wall, despite every Democrat attempt to undermine him. Trump has ENDED catch and release of illegals. And now he has contained and limited the Coronavirus outbreak to a number far below what any other president would have been willing or able to. Your useless party would have allowed in millions of infected, just to avoid looking "racist". And they would have left the southern border 90% more open to further infections.
Who else has achieved anything like that? Not Obama, not Bill Clinton, not even Reagan.
I think we both know what Trump meant when he said he didn’t want the passengers to get off the cruise ship because it would make the coronavirus numbers go up. No hidden meaning or a gaffe. That is who he is, who he’s always been. A shit bag.
Yeah. It meant that Trump didn't want to do anything uncontrolled and risk more Americans being infected. That's who he is, a guy who actually wants to protect America, and not take chances with the lives of U.S. citizens.
And you again prove yourself the shitbag by insulting the most quantifiably accomplished president in 50-plus years.
You know who the real "shitbags" are? The Democrats who want to tank the U.S. economy and openly cheer any decline, just because they think it gives them a snowball's chance in hell of defeating Trump. You know who else are "shitbags"? The Democrats, some of them DNC advisors and campaign staffers who openly cheered the Congressional baseball shooting of Rep. Scalese, and on social media called for and cheered on even more shootings of Republicans.
You know who else are "shitbags"? The Democrats posting online that if they got Coronavirus the first thing they would do would be to go attend a Trump rally.
You know who else are shitbags? : Maxene Waters, Joseph Biden, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Howard Dean, for stoking and cheering on violence against their political opposition. You know who else are "shitbags"? YOUR ENTIRE PARTY LEADERSHIP, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, no U.S. Representative, no U.S. Senator, no DNC party leaders, have condemned any of these calls for violence, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE CLEARLY RESULTED IN ACTUAL VIOLENCE AGAINST REPUBLICANS. And we're at least 2 years now past the Scalise shooter. Who, by the way, was a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer. Two years later, still no Democrat calls for civility, no DNC condemnation of the violence. Hillary Clinton said no peace can be made with those who threaten her agenda. The Hamilton play actors stabbed Trump in effigy every night onstage for months. Kathy Griffin, a remarkably unfunny comedian, held up a realistic and bloody Trump-head to express her violent hatred and intent.
The attacks on the Covington Catholic High School kids, basically threatened by the maniacs of your party just for being white, conservative, Christian, and wearing MAGA hats. and THIS: https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018...ump-supporters/
Trump’s quote.... “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault,” Trump said. “I’d rather have them stay on, personally.”
That of course sounds like a shitbag. Somebody who sees Roger Stone and the neo nazi who sped his car through a crowd as victims might be willing to spin what he said.
Trump’s quote.... “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault,” Trump said. “I’d rather have them stay on, personally.” That of course sounds like a shitbag.
Again, you only prove YOURSELF to be a shitbag by calling the president that, the most accomplished president in over 50 years.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Somebody who sees Roger Stone and the neo nazi who sped his car through a crowd as victims might be willing to spin what he said.
That's smashing a lot of distorted lies together in one sentence. Roger Stone could not be proven guilty of anything, the Mueller team/FBI could only get Stone for process crimes, that they, the FBI, manufactured. In their vindictive zeal to maliciously prosecute Stone for any crime they could. And they bankrupted Stone so at some point he had to take a plea. Whereas Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, Houma Abedin and other Democrats and their staff were given a free pass, immunity in exchange for nothing, and no depositions, no lengthy bankrupting FBI prosecutions forcing them into similar plea deals, so they could not similarly be prosecuted for perjury, obstruction of justice and destroying evidence, despite actually being guilty of these crimes.
Unlike Stone, who Soviet-style, the crimes were manufactured to get a politically targeted man.
The other part about the driver who killed a girl during the Charlottesville riots is absurd and a complete lie. Trump ABSOLUTELY NEVER voiced sympathy or support for this driver. And more broadly of the violence, Trump only held violent acts by Antifa to the same standard as the violent acts of white supremacist groups. Trump NEVER invited white supremacist leaders to the White House. Obama DID invite Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter leaders to his White House, AFTER BLM and Sharpton's violent rhetoric stoked the murder of police officers in multiple cities nationwide. And as I said previously, one glance at the Black Lives Matter website, where they talk about slaughtering "white babies" makes clear their virulent hate at least equals that of the KKK and other white ssupremacist groups.
There is no support of Trump for this driver who killed a girl in Charlotte. That is a vicious lie on your part, M E M. Trump specifically said repeatedly of white supremacist groups, "There is no place for that kind of hate in our country."
And more optimistically in his Jan 2017 inauguration speech: "Whether white or black or brown, we all bleed the same red, and share the same hopes and dreams."
Washing your hands, avoiding unnecessary travel and being cognizant of symptoms are some of the most effective ways to ward off potential contraction of the coronavirus. But there is still more that you can be doing, according to Dr. Oz.
Dr. Oz released a “coronavirus survival protocol,” a helpful tip sheet on how people can stay healthy. Apart from the information you’ve likely already seen about the benefit of face masks or throwing away used tissues, the fact sheet provides immunity, dietary, household preparation and other tips that can be beneficial in the midst of this outbreak.
Here are some of the key points to take away from Dr. Oz that you may not have noticed elsewhere: •Improve your air quality by using a humidifier and/or HEPA filters •Meditate, as this may support your immune system •Disinfect surfaces by using sprays and wipes, and let those surfaces remain wet for three minutes prior to drying •Start eating more fruits, vegetables and foods rich in Vitamin D3, and get your annual flu shot •If you’re already sick, eat foods rich in zinc, Vitamin C and beta-glucan. Also take syrup or lozenges four times a day for five days
The fact sheet also notes essential supplies that you should have a two-week supply of in preparation for the virus:
•Toilet paper •Soap •Detergent •Shelf-stable pantry goods •Freezer-friendly items •Medications
The fact sheet also recommends that individuals get the flu shot. This is not because the standard flu shot itself is effective in preventing coronavirus infection and symptoms. Obtaining a flu shot, though, can help ease confusion as to whether symptoms a person is showing are of the seasonal flu or of COVID-19.
Tucker Carlson makes the point that not only did China hide the truth for weeks and allow the epidemic to spread worldwide, but they have made clear they hate America and threatened to withold life-saving pharmaceuticals from the U.S., for the deliberate vindictive purpose of killing Americans. (China, by the way, manufactures about 80% of U.S. pharmaceuticals, a remarkable level of dependence.) That China, to save face and cover for its own lies, is alleging Coronavirus was created by the U.S.
And that the blame-America talking points are being repeated by Democrat leaders and the liberal media. That liberals' first impulse is to blame America. And of course, to weaponize an issue against Republicans.
And just pointing out, a similar paanic and politicization was not orchestrated by the media or Republicans during the "Swine Flu"/H1N1 virus outbreak in 2009-2010, that infected 60 million Americans, and killed about 30,000 in the U.S. Just sayin'.
As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.
Comparatively, Trump is being demonized for an estimated 1,400 total infections and 38 deaths in the U.S., and about 130,000 infections worldwwide. And Europe, that didn't take similar precaautions of suspending flights from China (Australia and Hong Kong did) is now the epicenter of the outbreak, even as the outbreak seems to have peaked and be receding in China. And Europe is now the source of the new Wuhan Flu cases in the U.S., explaining why Trump last night announced cessation of flights from Europe for 30 days.
A moderate outbreak scenario of Wuhan virus/"Covid-19" in the U.S. would be if it reaches 200,000 cases nationwide. A worst case scenario outbreak in the U.S. would be 1 million or slightly more cases. Both of which would exceed by far the China outbreak, and who realistically believes that would happen, with all the warnings and afdvance preparation? But Democrats and the hate-Trump liberal media are ultra-hyping the zombie apocalypse scenario. And, of course, blaming Trump.
I was speaking of people like yourself who have posted frequently in defense of garbage like Stone and neo nazi guy. And it’s vary valid criticism of Trump (shit bag). He didn’t create the virus but when he was supposed to be a leader we got and still get petty partisan swipes. More importantly he’s spent this whole time downplaying the virus in dangerous ways. Yes there are officials trying to get the facts out but a lot of people where I work are still spouting his version. And not having enough test kits is on him. Classifying briefings and prolonging our response time is on him. The shit bag used a teleprompter last night and still fucked up what he was supposed to say. I’m pissed because I have a lot of loved ones that are at risk from this and he’s endangered them even more.
And it’s vary valid criticism of Trump (shit bag). He didn’t create the virus but when he was supposed to be a leader we got and still get petty partisan swipes. More importantly he’s spent this whole time downplaying the virus in dangerous ways. Yes there are officials trying to get the facts out but a lot of people where I work are still spouting his version. And not having enough test kits is on him. Classifying briefings and prolonging our response time is on him. The shit bag used a teleprompter last night and still fucked up what he was supposed to say. I’m pissed because I have a lot of loved ones that are at risk from this and he’s endangered them even more.
M E M, you're a ridiculous lying talking-points robot for the Chinese/Democrat propaganda machine.
I just cited the numbers, relative to the most comparable recent outbreak of Swine Flu under Obama. You are straining to rationalize that Trump's remarkable leadership, that has resulted in a tiny fraction of the 60 million infected by Swine Flu in 2009-2020, is somehow a far worse than the current Wuhan virus outbreak. And in making that idiot propaganda argument, reveal yourself, no one else, to be a lying shitbag.
It's disgusting how your party is trying to politicize this against Trump, and deliberately tanking the economy over a far lesser outbreak. Disgusting.
WB does it feel good citing stats that you know are low because there hasn’t been enough tests available? Or ignoring that this virus seems to have a much higher fatality rate than swine flu? It’s going to get worse because unlike other countries we’re not doing the rate of testing their doing. Seriously, you can name call all you want but I will keep holding Trump accountable for what he says and does. He’s done a lot of damage and he’s not done.
WB does it feel good citing stats that you know are low because there hasn’t been enough tests available? Or ignoring that this virus seems to have a much higher fatality rate than swine flu? It’s going to get worse because unlike other countries we’re not doing the rate of testing their doing. Seriously, you can name call all you want but I will keep holding Trump accountable for what he says and does. He’s done a lot of damage and he’s not done.
That's horseshit, M E M. The delay in the tests available (as I linked in detail in a factcheck several posts above) is because of an error by the CDC where they made a bad choice on which test kit to produce, and that caused the delay in production. How you somehow spin that to be Trump's personal fault is absolutely demented and illogical. CDC and NIH officials have all said this, and said the testing kits should be produced in the millions by the end of this week, if not already.
And your own argument about the lack of details about the Wuhan virus puts the lie to what you allege about the "far worse" fatality rate. There are projected to be tens of thousands of cases showing very mild or no symptoms in cases worldwide, that if reported would vastly lower the alleged "fatality" rate. And given that medical treatment is far better in the U.S. than in China or Iran, it stands to reason the fatality rate would be much lower in the U.S.
The current death rate in the U.S. (41 deaths, out of 1,758 cases) is about 2.3%, of reported cases. With all the unreported mild cases, it is estimated to be between 0.2% and 0.7%.
How you blame that on Trump, I don't know. If you were logically to blame someone, it would be China, for deliberately hiding the outbreak until it had already spread internationally outside of China. And even then, even up till now, has not allowed U.S. medical experts in to enter China to study the virus and its origins. It was not until the epidemic spread to South Korea and their government shared information about the outbreak that we really began to learn its infectious characteristics to fight it. You should be thanking Trump for taking the unprecedented travel-ban restrictions that contained the spread early on in the U.S. A comparison of its spread in Italy and other European nations, and the spread from there by European visitors to the U.S., is a sharp contrast to how infection spread in countries NOT led by a President Trump. And when that became a visible source of spread, Trump implemented a 30-day suspension of European travel to the U.S.
Further, the fighting of Wuhan virus, or Swine Flu, or SARS or Ebola or whatever outbreak emerges at any given time, is not generally done by presidents. To a large degree, the preparation or lack thereof would be the same under any president, entrusted to medical experts of the CDC and NIH. The biggest difference, the powerfully significant difference, is that Trump intervened and suspended flights from China, and now from Europe. And those moves, as NIH head Dr. Anthony Fauci said 2 days ago, made an enormous difference, as "absolutely the right move" he said, that prevented untold tens of thousands of infections in nthe U.S.
Interesting just to see how the same crisis is reported in the U.K. on BBC. And the Four Corners documentary from Wuhan, China, by Australians stuck there during the worst of the outbreak, is very unsettling. Talk about worst case scenario.
I go back and forth between getting unavoidably jumpy about all the preventive measures in the news, and being assured by all the preventive measures, that will hopefully result in a reduction of new cases.
Worldwide, as of today there are 135,000 total reported cases, and of those 4,900 dead. In China, the illness has already peaked and is in decline to the point that many of their temporary hospitals are now closing already. And of those total worldwide cases, 69,000 are diagnosed as having made a complete recovery.
In the U.S., there are 1,629 reported diagnosed infections, and 41 deaths. And 31 of whom have already recovered. In Florida, 42 diagnosed cases, and 2 deaths. Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida was just on TV announcing distribution of test kits to every hospital in Florida, and said all the cases so far are related to international travel. I was aa bit surprised that Broward County was listed as the Florida county with the sharpest rise in reported new cases.
Last week, CNN media critic Brian Stelter struck an ominous chord regarding the spreading coronavirus. “Since the dawn of the Trump presidency, countless experts have warned that the president's lack of credibility would imperil the country in the event of an emergency,” he wrote. “With the worsening coronavirus outbreak, those fears may be coming true. … And the president has been blaming the media for this predicament, reverting to the same tactics that he has employed ever since taking office.”
Even if the Trump administration wasn’t uniquely combative and chaotic, it’s the media’s job to press any administration about preparedness in the face of something as frightening as a lethal pandemic. And leaders undermining trust in media institutions for no specific reason at a time when we need to rely on them for potentially lifesaving information is not helpful, to put it mildly. “Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets,” is just one of the things Trump has tweeted recently.
Normally, such intemperate attacks during a crisis would be discrediting. However, the media have also made their own behavior the issue during the last four years, and their coronavirus coverage shows why: A large portion of the media can’t help themselves from making every story about politics.
Some of it is just inappropriately intemperate commentary from opinion columnists. Recent New York Times columns by Gail Collins and Maureen Dowd were headlined “Let’s Call It Trumpvirus: If you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame” and “Trump Makes Us Ill: Going viral is not a good thing this time,” respectively. Suffice it to say, calling a disease that originated in China and spread throughout the world because of China’s grossly irresponsible behavior “Trumpvirus” is hardly fair.
Although George W. Bush fielded skeptical questions from the White House press corps about U.S. preparedness from Avian flu – and Democrats still complain about the speed of the Reagan administration’s response to AIDS, Trump’s predecessors in the White House simply were not immediately blamed from the very outset of public health crises. This doesn’t mean they performed flawlessly. A damning article by Ari Schulman in the journal The New Atlantis in 2015 showed in alarming detail how the Obama administration actively misled the public about the threat posed by the Ebola virus outbreak the year before.
Despite what the Centers for Disease Control told the public in 2014, there is compelling evidence transmission of Ebola was airborne via coughs and sneezes and the virus could be spread by people months after they were no longer symptomatic. Such misinformation was driven primarily by a desire for public reassurance, and this led to questionable public policy decisions regarding the threat. Yet, major newspapers never referred to the disease as “Obola.”
Naked hostility to Trump is so pronounced it has actually impaired some journalists’ ability to impart necessary information to the American people. “Remember this moment: Trump, in South Carolina, just called the coronavirus a ‘hoax,’" the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank tweeted last week. He followed that up with a column that repeated the claim. Watching Trump’s rally in context, it was pretty clear that he wasn’t saying the disease itself was a hoax – he was talking about the news coverage that somehow tried to blame him for it. Milbank would later update his column to note that “Trump said Saturday the ‘hoax’ referred to Democrats’ pinning blame for the virus” – but his misleading tweet is still up.
Speaking of misleading tweets, on Thursday NPR’s Yamiche Alcindor tweeted out this quote from Vice President Mike Pence: "The greatest concern is testing. I am pleased to report we have 2500 kits available that we will distribute. We approved a process that will allow testing at state and university laboratories." She then repeated the number for emphasis “2500.” This tweet, which was liked over 22,000 times, spread like wildfire mostly because of the panic that set in over the mistaken belief that we only had enough coronavirus tests to cover the population of Ashland, Neb.
An hour later, after getting an earful about her tweet, Alcindor tweeted out some important context. Each one of these coronavirus kits can test 500 people, covering 1.25 million Americans. Perhaps that’s not enough, but for a disease that at the time had infected fewer than 100 Americans, it was on the right scale. And it’s far less panic-inducing than the mistaken belief only 2,500 people can be tested. Yet, Alcindor did not delete her tweet, and days later you can find thousands of people reciting the misleading 2,500 figure on social media as if it’s gospel.
Next, the New York Times reported that Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, “told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance.” The report led Joe Biden to later claim that the White House was “muzzling” the doctor during an interview with ABC’s “This Week.” Confronted with this anonymously sourced claim at a press conference, Fauci issued an unequivocal denial. “I have never been muzzled, ever, and I have been doing this since the administration of Ronald Reagan,” he said. “I am not being muzzled by this administration.”
During a Democratic Party presidential debate, Biden also boasted that he was responsible for saving “millions of lives,” a dubious claim attracted no media scrutiny.
The press show no similar restraint after GOP Sen. Tom Cotton took credit for his early call to quarantine anybody coming from China’s Wuhan region while pointing out that Wuhan contains a laboratory that studies dangerous pathogens and that this laboratory can’t be ruled out as the source of the virus. According to the Washington Post, Cotton was guilty of fanning “the embers of a coronavirus theory that has been repeatedly debunked by experts.”
But the Post excoriated Cotton for something he never asserted, namely, that the virus was a bioweapon engineered and deliberately released by the Chinese. This is not what Cotton said, and experts quoted by the Post to “debunk” Cotton even acknowledged as much.
The suspicion that partisanship colors news coverage is hard to escape. Vice President Pence, whom Trump tapped to head the coronavirus response, has been steady and responsible since the beginning of the outbreak. Yet, during a recent appearance on “Meet the Press,” host Chuck Todd thought it important to confront Pence about the politics of the issue. In Todd’s telling, GOP claims that Democrats were “weaponizing” the virus to attack Trump were wholly unfounded. “Well, I will tell you, there’s been a lot of irresponsible rhetoric among Democrats and commentators on the left,” Pence said.
“Who is this? Name some names, sir. Because it just feels like gaslighting. Please name some names. We are all big. We’re all big people here. Name some names,” Todd retorted. This wasn’t as difficult a task as Todd seemed to think it was. Pence responded by citing the Gail Collins column calling it “Trumpvirus.” The vice president could have pointed out, but didn’t, how Elizabeth Warren tried to prop up her foundering presidential campaign when she proposed taking “every dime that the president is now taking to spend on his racist wall at the southern border and divert it to the coronavirus.”
Instead, Pence brought the conversation around to where it belongs. “The American people can be confident that we’re going to continue to work this issue,” he said. “We’re going to work with leaders with both parties in Congress to make sure not only our federal agencies have all the resources they need but our state and local governments, health care providers, have the resources and the support to provide the care that every American would want. Remember, Chuck, this is about the lives of the American people.”
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Mark Hemingway is a writer in Alexandria, Va. You can follow him on twitter @heminator.
From media critic Howard Kurtz, about 5 years ago host of a media criticism show on CNN, now the last few years host of a similar Sunday show MediaBuzz on Fox News:
Some criticism of the administration is inevitable and actually healthy. But some of the attacks are so reflexive that it seems those hostile to Trump have simply switched their focus from Russia to Ukraine to the coronavirus.
Any president has to walk a fine line in a public emergency, careful not to scare people (or spook the markets) while also offering a realistic assessment of the threat and the country’s ability to respond.
It does make you wonder, though: Is there any threat to America big enough that it doesn’t become mired in perpetual partisanship? And isn’t that a kind of sickness?
“ President Donald Trump on Friday deflected blame for his administration’s lagging ability to test Americans for the coronavirus outbreak, insisting instead — without offering evidence — that fault lies with his predecessor, Barack Obama.
“I don't take responsibility at all,” Trump said defiantly, pointing to an unspecified “set of circumstances” and “rules, regulations and specifications from a different time.”
The remarks from the president came in response to questions at a Friday press conference about the lack of widespread access to testing, an aspect of his administration's coronavirus response that has been the subject of widespread, steady criticism. Administration officials told lawmakers yesterday that the U.S. tested about 11,000 people during the first seven weeks of the outbreak — roughly as many as South Korea is testing each day.
And Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told lawmakers on the House Oversight Committee on Thursday that “the system is not really geared to what we need right now” in and called the testing system “a failing.”
But Trump, who spent weeks downplaying coronavirus before declaring it a national emergency on Friday, argued that the health care system was not designed for an outbreak on the scale of coronavirus, “with the kind of numbers that we are talking about.” Politico
He’s a shit bag. It’s somehow’s Obama’s fault. We all watched him downplay this with many contradictions from his health officials. The shit bag classified the deliberations and spent almost 2 months griping about democrats and the media while lying about having enough tests. Now that it’s abundantly clear this administration fucked up its time to lie and accuse Obama. What an unfit piece of shit! And yes WB I recognize you hate the media for reporting that doesn’t resemble the state run media Putin gets.
You can feel the Trump-hate from the opening paragraphs.
While a number of these are spun as deliberately misleading when the actual facts were unknown at the time, or spun to be misleading beyond what Trump actually said, the article at least clarifies deeper in what the true facts are.
Taking the points one at a time:
1) That U.S. citizens could still return to the U.S. (once tested) is something anyone could clarify with the U.S. embassy in any nation or U.S. officials. There's a limit to how much information Trump could provide in a brief 10-minute Oval Office address to the nation. I would check the details of what Trump said, or any president, in the print media over the 24 hours after such an address, to clarify the details of that brief overview. It's unrealistic to expect every nuance explained in a 10-minute speech.
2) Trump's explanation of the death rate being far lower is pretty much the same as I've seen from Dr. Anthony Fauci, or Dr. Marc Siegel or others. It's presented here as Trump being absolultely wrong, downplaying, and deliberately mistating the facts, but I've seen that same opinion of what is characterized as Trump's "hunch" by many interviewed medical experts.
3) Trump saying that the Coronavirus will die down once summer hits is also not wrong, every previous major coronavirus strain and major outbreak of the last 20 years has followed a siimilar sharp decline, so again Trump is not lying or deliberately misleading. While the article clarifies that it's possible it won't decline, Trump is not wrong in saying it's a good possibility. I wish he'd emphasized that's a possibility and not an absolute that it will sharply decline come summer, and press the public that it's still very contagious and to act with an abundance of caution to prevent its spread.
4) The lack of ready widespread test kits is the biggest failure, yes. But again, this is not Trump's personal fault, it was an error by the medical staff at CDC in selecting a kit that didn't work, and then had to scramble for a replacement when it didn't. So Trump, like Pence and Dr. Fauci have all given assurances that the tests would be available, based on what they were told by others in CDC. Trump made an obvious gaffe beyond that of Pence and Fauci when he said they were already distributed and anyone could get a test immediately, and not expected in days. But certainly, no one who watches the news doesn't know that they are still laboring to distribute test kits nationwide, despite kits not being ready when the CDC themselves were promised they would be.
5) Regarding "the flu is worse", it's a fact that previous outbreaks have all been surpassed by flu deaths. As I cited above, the 2009-2010 previous coronavirus "Swine Flu/H1N1" infected 57 million people and killed 12,000. And that the flu in that same year killed far more. And that the flu in most years kills "between 27,000 and 77,000". While it is spun as aa Trump lie, it is absolutely true that numerically the annual flu kills more than this and previous coronavirus strains. Currently Wuhan virus has killed about 4,900 and infected 137,000 worldwide. As compared to (in the U.S. alone) 35 million infected by regular flu, and 30,000 deaths in 2018, the most recent statistical year.
While Wuhan flu is believed to have a higher death rate of roughly 1 or possibly 2% death rate, vs. 0.1% for regular flu, the finer details in even this article explain there are possibly hundreds of thousands of mild unreported Wuhan cases that would vastly lower the Wuhan virus death ratio if counted.
6) regarding "a vaccine is coming soon", anyone who watches the news knows that most medical experts anticipate a vaccine is about 12 to 18 months away, and not an option for this season. Even vaccine corporation owners who say they are fast-tracking a vaccine say if it were ready in a month, an unprecedentedly fast vaccine to produce and distribute would be at least 6 months away. One I saw said they have a much faster track because they have already developed vaccine for similar strains of Coronavirus, that will vastly speed up a Wuhan virus vaccine. So again, Trump is not necessarily wrong.
7) The Trump administration had proposed cuts to CDC and NIH pandemic preparation, but in few cases had anything been implemented. Trump has across the board looked for fiscal cuts to every area of the Federal budget. Like every part of the budget, Trump wants to eliminate waste and duplication in CDC. I've seen this fronted by Democrats over the last few weeks, despite that Trump had not cut anything vital. More money doesn't necessarily mean better spent money.
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An OMB spokesman said that the CDC cuts in the budget request did not affect infectious disease, and said Trump's request included a total of $4.3 billion in funds for Infectious Diseases and Preparedness, in funds that deal with the flu, opioids, and global health security. “The $4.3 billion funds all of the CDC programs that focus on infectious disease and emergency preparedness activities," they said.
"This figure reflects that the Administration is prioritizing funding for infectious disease and emergency preparedness efforts at CDC, compared to non-infectious activities, like studying the health and safety risks of infrequent bathroom breaks for taxi drivers,"
Democrats and the liberal media mislead to allege Trump proposed slashing pandemic response and preparation. Trump's OMB defends the cuts as not coming from outbreak prevention.
Heavy in my mind through all this is how the media has jumped on every scandal unleashed on Trump for 4 years now, and how the media has visibly gotten it wrong over and over and over in their vindictive zeal to bring down Trump. And coverage of the outbreak is just the latest extenson of that.
While Trump has made errors, certainly in this crisis as well, he is held to a standard that no other president of my lifetime is held to. Except for W. Bush, there has been no comparative open bias and hatred of a president by the media. The similar errors by Obama got a complete free pass by the same media.
I think this is the treatment any future Republican president can expect from the media. This is not unique to Trump, but to any Republican who dares to be elected going forward. The same poisonous attacks of "racism" or "stole the election" are now extended to more local elections like Tracy Abrams or Andrew Gillum, or last night Alexanda Ocasio-Cortez (interviewed for the first time on Fox) alleging that Bernie Sanders lost in Michigan because of election fraud. Despite that all the elected officials controlling in Michigan are Democrats.
Palm Beach County has declared a state of emergency after two men in their 70s tested positive for COVID-19.
The declaration opens up avenues for the county to get assistance, including money, from state and federal agencies, and empowers the county administrator to require emergency actions such as establishing a curfew and restricting travel. It will last until March 20.
Even as events shut down throughout the county, officials made a case for calm at a news conference Friday in the face of the rising coronavirus threat.
“This state of emergency should not change anything in your life except pay more attention to what’s going on, to be diligent in watching out for our personal health and being even more concerned about not interacting unnecessarily ... with vulnerable people in our community,” County Mayor Dave Kerner said.
The Palm Beach County cases were among 15 new Florida cases announced by the state health department late Thursday, raising the number of confirmed cases in Florida to 42. That includes 11 in Broward County, by far the most cases in the state, and one in Miami-Dade.
>>Coronavirus: What Palm Beach County residents need to know
The county cases involved a 73-year-old man who traveled to Egypt for a Nile River cruise tour and a 74-year-old man who traveled to Europe. Both men have been isolated and will remain in isolation until public health officials clear them, the health department said. Also, as response to the pandemic intensified, the Palm Beach County School District announced Friday it would cancel classes for next week, the last classes before spring break.
The Palm Beach County cases were among 15 new Florida cases announced by the state health department late Thursday, raising the number of confirmed cases in Florida to 42. That includes 11 in Broward County, by far the most cases in the state, and one in Miami-Dade.
The county cases involved a 73-year-old man who traveled to Egypt for a Nile River cruise tour and a 74-year-old man who traveled to Europe. Both men have been isolated and will remain in isolation until public health officials clear them, the health department said.
Also, as response to the pandemic intensified, the Palm Beach County School District announced Friday it would cancel classes for next week, the last classes before spring break.
The announcements came a day after local officials reported that a man aboard a JetBlue flight from New York to West Palm Beach had tested positive for coronavirus. The man was placed in isolation, health officials said.
Sheriff Ric Bradshaw and Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg said they were “researching” whether there would be public endangerment charges filed against the passenger.
“We’ve looked into this. We’ve contacted (Aronberg) and federal authorities to see if in fact there would be some kind charge launched against him in this particular manner. But as of right now, we’re still in the research phase,” Bradshaw said.
Bradshaw also warned residents to follow quarantine orders issued by the health department if awaiting testing results or having tested positive.
“This is not a casual request, folks. The sheriff’s office is fully capable of enforcing these orders from the health department. Trust me, you want to stay in your residence. You don’t want to stay at my hotel. It’s much more comfortable at home,” he said, referring to the county jail.
The first reported in my county. Actually, it's a bit of a relief that they were immediately checked at the airport on arrival.
Boca Raton law firm sought class-action status Thursday for a lawsuit with a novel aim: to hold the People’s Republic of China and some of its government agencies accountable for the deadly coronavirus now sweeping America.
The Chinese government knew that COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, was “dangerous and capable of causing a pandemic, yet slowly acted, proverbially put their head in the sand, and/or covered it up for their own economic self-interest,” reads the complaint by The Berman Law Group.
The lawsuit, which names five plaintiffs from Florida, seeks class-action status for any American injured or affected by the coronavirus.
Two of the five plaintiffs, Lawrence Wood and Stephen Clyne, are from Palm Beach County. Two, Logan Alters and Marta Reyes, are from Miami-Dade County. The fifth is The Pitching Lab, a Boca Raton-based business owned by Clyne.
None of the plaintiffs have been diagnosed with COVID-19, the law firm said.
“No nation, particularly a rich world superpower like China, should be able to get away with what it has done,” said Jeremy Alters, chief strategist at Berman Law Group and father of plaintiff Logan Alters. “It suppressed information from the global medical community that could have averted or minimized the damage that has been done.”
The complaint lists a handful of unsubstantiated rumors about the Chinese government’s role in downplaying the danger of the virus early on, including that China censored doctors who tried to warn the public about the coronavirus, which emerged in December in the province of Wuhan.
The law group employs as consultants former state Sen. Joseph Abruzzo and Frank Biden, brother of presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden.
But Frank Biden is not involved in this lawsuit, both he and the firm, told The Palm Beach Post Friday.
The firm, which initially invited the media to a news conference in their Boca offices and later called it off, declined to comment beyond Alters’ statement and a press release.
Abruzzo, a Democrat who did not respond to a phone call Friday, is quoted in the press release chastising China.
“This could have been contained while Chinese officials instead attempted to put a positive narrative on the unfolding epidemic for China’s own economic self-interest,” he said. “When you read about the rising death tolls, and see the almost complete halt to normal life and travel, remember that China waited seventeen critical days before sharing the COVID-19 genome sequence with other nations.”
Jeremy Alters, once a licensed attorney but disbarred in 2018, is not the attorney on the suit, but he has represented clients in several class-action suits in the past, including a suit against the Chinese government and Chinese drywall manufacturers.They settled that lawsuit for about $1 billion, he said.
First, it's a law firm right here in my hometown.
Second, one of the partners is VP Joe Biden's brother. Then there's the aspect that one of the law partner's was disbarred in 2018 (I'd love to know why).
And that while the last two sound shaky, the same firm has successfully sued the Chinese government previously for a very respectable $1 billion. So that means two different members of the Biden family have received over a billion dollars from the Chinese government.
“ ALCINDOR: You did disband the White House pandemic office, and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that, and—the officials that worked in that office said the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?
TRUMP: Well, I just thank it’s a nasty question, because what we’ve done, and Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. [Ed.: The closing of borders to some travelers.] And when you say me, I didn’t do it. We have a group of people, I could ask perhaps, in my administration, but I could perhaps ask Tony about that, because I don’t know anything about it. I mean, you say we did that, I don’t know anything about it. Disbanding, no, I don’t know anything about it …
ALCINDOR: You don’t know about the reorganization that happened at the National Security Council.
TRUMP: … It’s the administration, perhaps they do that, let people go, you used to be with a different newspaper than you are now, you know, things like that happen.”
Then the reporters mic was cut off. We live in a country where a shit bag’s supporters will hate the reporter for doing her job and love the leader who didn’t.
Some good news is the house passed a Coronavirus bill that Trump is urging republicans to support. (I think) I read reporting yesterday and my impression is that Trump wasn’t going to support it, his gop toadies were on all board not to support it. At some point in the early evening though it became apparent that nobody told the toadies that Trump was now for it. I give Trump credit for at least realizing that he needs this bill for his political survival. I give Pelosi credit for doing all the work that will ultimately benefit most politically a shit bag that can’t even handle meeting her. Pelosi in a time of crisis got a bill put together for some much needed relief as the virus sweeps the country.
An article in China’s state-run Xinhua news service last week threatened to impose restrictions on medical exports so the United States will be “plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus.”
The Xinhua piece, published on March 4 and entitled “Be Bold: The World Owes China a Thank You,” was largely composed of standard Chinese Communist Party propaganda about how the world stands in awe of China’s amazing response to the coronavirus outbreak. Naturally, it neglected to mention how the virus ran wild in the first place because of Chinese bureaucratic incompetence and cover-ups.
The Chinese have become as determined to wipe the first months of the coronavirus from the pages of history as they are to keep anyone from remembering Tiananmen Square. The Xinhua article made a point of noting that China has leverage over the U.S. and Europe because it can restrict the supply of medicines that were unwisely outsourced to China in the heyday of globalism.
The Chinese paper explicitly threatened to do so if Americans and Europeans continue criticizing its response to the coronavirus or act too slowly to lift travel bans and other restrictions the Chinese government dislikes, but then cushioned the threat in the Communist Party’s usual creepy way by insisting China is filled with so much “love” for the world that it would never harm the people of other countries, or even “insult” them the way China has been “insulted” during the coronavirus epidemic.
One of the insults harped on by Xinhua was Walter Russell Mead’s February 3 op-ed for the Wall Street Journal entitled “China Is the Real Sick Man of Asia,” a piece that prompted Beijing to expel Wall Street Journal reporters and begin complaining incessantly that Mead’s piece was insulting and racist. According to Xinhua’s March 4 editorial, Mead, his column, and the entire Wall Street Journal publication are now “infamous.”
Although most commentary has focused on the “mighty sea of coronavirus” threat, the Xinhua piece is also interesting as an early example of the Chinese Communist propaganda crusade to portray the coronavirus as originating in the United States and claim it was brought to Wuhan by the U.S. Army. Xinhua muttered darkly on March 4 about Americans “returning from Wuhan, China” right before the outbreak exploded and complained it was therefore hypocritical and insulting for the U.S. to impose travel bans on China.
The article was noticed and partially translated by Fox News on Friday in light of the Food and Drug Administration’s announcement that at least one unspecified drug useful for treating coronavirus patients is currently in short supply because the components for the drug cannot be obtained readily enough from China.
“In other words, they threatened to kill us, and we’re all sort of standing back like, ‘Oh, you know it’s not a big deal.’ It’s a terrifying situation,” Tucker Carlson of Fox News said on Wednesday.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) warned in a Fox News interview on Thursday that “about 80 percent of the active ingredients” in some vital drugs come from abroad, “and the overwhelming majority of that 80 percent are manufactured in China.”
Rubio and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich elaborated on China’s leverage over the U.S. pharmaceutical industry, and other sectors of the American economy, in an op-ed for Fox:
For years, China has enticed American multinational corporations with access to its markets in exchange for off-shoring and sharing intellectual property. Americans watched as Beijing captured critical portions of global supply chains, including in pharmaceutical drugs and medical equipment. Today, up to 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients in American drugs are sourced abroad.
Now, in the face of a pandemic, the absence of domestic capacity in critical medical sectors has critically endangered both the U.S. public health system and our economy. The inability to quickly increase the production of key supplies, such as surgical masks, medical gowns, respirators and pharmaceutical drugs limits our ability to mitigate the worst effects of the disease in this emerging crisis and in any future pandemic.
It is unacceptable that China holds this much leverage over America’s public health and economy, both essential components of our national security. For this reason, we propose that the U.S. take action to expand our production capacity while global supply chains are in flux and the global economy teeters on the edge of recession.
Rubio and Gingrich suggested encouraging and incentivizing American corporations to bring manufacturing capacity back from overseas, especially from hostile areas like China, taking advantage of the current chaos in global markets to implement measures that might have seemed unacceptably risky or painful in calmer times.
“America must make rebuilding our domestic supply chain a priority of its own,” they wrote, comparing their recommendations to Beijing’s deliberate strategy for capturing the biomedical industry.
Yeah, just to country we should rely on for 80% of our pharmaceuticals, and 96% of our antibiotics as we currently do.
Obviously, this China-dependency is going to diminish rapidly over the next year.
“ ALCINDOR: You did disband the White House pandemic office, and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that, and—the officials that worked in that office said the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?
TRUMP: Well, I just thank it’s a nasty question, because what we’ve done, and Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. [Ed.: The closing of borders to some travelers.] And when you say me, I didn’t do it. We have a group of people, I could ask perhaps, in my administration, but I could perhaps ask Tony about that, because I don’t know anything about it. I mean, you say we did that, I don’t know anything about it. Disbanding, no, I don’t know anything about it …
ALCINDOR: You don’t know about the reorganization that happened at the National Security Council.
TRUMP: … It’s the administration, perhaps they do that, let people go, you used to be with a different newspaper than you are now, you know, things like that happen.”
Then the reporters mic was cut off. We live in a country where a shit bag’s supporters will hate the reporter for doing her job and love the leader who didn’t.
Prove to me that "the reporters [sic] mic was cut off."
M E M, you again reveal YOURSELF to be a shitbag when you call the president that. The most quantifiably accomplished president in 50 years, and who has vastly limited the Wuhan Flu outbreak with his quick action, as is easily proven by comparing the ratios of uncontrolled outbreak in China and Europe.
I saw that press conference live. She was able to ask two questions, then she pulled a Jim Acosta and partisanly railed into the president and attempted to monopolize the press conference. She asked two questions, which were answered, and then other reporters were given equal access.
The National Security council was cut down in size because because it was artificially inflated in size during the last year of Obama's presidency by Robby Mook, ballooned the size of the NSC staff to almost 300, filled with Democrat-zealot Obama/Hillary loyalists like Alexander Vindman and his brother, and still-unnamed "whistleblower" CIA and NSC staffer Eric Ciaramella. For the clear purpose of exerting Obama/Democrat infuence over the NSC, and sabotage, long into the Trump asministration. The NSC-planted leakers and traitors who were openly plotting against President Trump, leaking classified information to the media to hurt Trump, and undermining Trump's policy any way they could. I'm frankly surprised they were not let go three years ago. But it obviously took a while to learn who the infiltrators were, and how they were planted by Mook. By comparison, Obama fired every U.S. ambassador when his presidency began, to avoid having any disloyal incumbents in his administration. Now those same Democrats have an absolute hissy-fit when Trump removes ONE ambassador, Marie Yovanovich, who was a blatant partisan who relentlessly badmouthed Trump to other U.S. embassy officials and Ukraine officials, and was openly loyal to the previous (anti-Trump) Ukrainian government administration, who the new President Zelensky personally said to Trump his government had no confidence in and that she was hostile to them (in their famous transcribed phone conversation), and she was fired for these multiple absolutely legitimate reasons.
The new National Security Advisor, O'Brien, finally cleaned house and fired or re-assigned over 70 of these Obama-planted deep-state Democrat-loyalist infiltrators. How is that relevant to the Wuhan Flu epidemic? It seemed clear in Trump's response to the reporter's question that he wasn't immediately familiar with the details of the NSC staff cuts, he entrusted O'Brien to administrate staff changes in his own department.
Dr Anthony Fauci, head of the NIH, said that Trump's suspension of China flights (20,000 people a day who would otherwise have spread the virus quickly across the United States) a suspension of air flights that Fauci said was absolutely, without question the right thing to do, that absolutely prevented tens of thousands of infections and bought the nation preparation time.
Obama declared a national emergency when 1,000 people were already dead from Swine Flu/H1N1 in 2009, and millions infected. Trump declared a national emergency yesterday when less than 50 were reported dead and about 1,700 diagnosed infected.
Which president do you think is acting more in proactively/effectively and in the interest of the American people, M E M?
Some good news is the house passed a Coronavirus bill that Trump is urging republicans to support. (I think) I read reporting yesterday and my impression is that Trump wasn’t going to support it, his gop toadies were on all board not to support it. At some point in the early evening though it became apparent that nobody told the toadies that Trump was now for it. I give Trump credit for at least realizing that he needs this bill for his political survival. I give Pelosi credit for doing all the work that will ultimately benefit most politically a shit bag that can’t even handle meeting her. Pelosi in a time of crisis got a bill put together for some much needed relief as the virus sweeps the country.
I saw an interview early this morning with a Republican House member who would not vote for the emergency bill, because he had no opportunity to read the bill in advance, and said he supports the president and respects Pelosi (both of whom encourage passing the bill), but under those conditions could not vote for it.
He said that only Pelosi possibly knows everything that's in it.
So it's another case of "You have to pass it to see what's in it." Which, on the part of those in both parties who passed it, is irresponsible government. Pelosi had already a day before it passed tried to sneak in a bypass of the 1976-legislated "Hyde Amendment" (that no government funding of abortion would be permitted, except in the cases of rape, incest, or risk to the like or health of the mother). As Tucker Carlson termed it, "Pelosi tried to barter saving lives of adult Americans by funding the deaths of children."
It is loathesome that Pelosi and the Democrats would try to slip that kind of stuff into a bill for emergency funding containing a Wuhan Flu/"Covid-19" epidemic, that worlwide has a track record of killing about 1% of those infected. That is what they're playing games with.
But Trump, who spent weeks downplaying coronavirus before declaring it a national emergency on Friday, argued that the health care system was not designed for an outbreak on the scale of coronavirus, “with the kind of numbers that we are talking about.” Politico
That is such a vicious lie.
It was Trump who (amidst a phony and baseless Senate impeachment trial by the Democrats) sounded the alarm early on with a suspension of all airline flights and travel from China, about 20,000 people a day barred from the U.S. That's an unprecedented move, and a very loud and visible warning flare. There's a difference between "downplaying", and calmly taking precautions while not creating a panic. As contrasted with what the liberal media and Democrat leadership have been doing, to try and bring down Trump's presidency.
To the damage and detriment of the nation.
The only errors in the crisis so far are: 1) not having Coronavirus test kits available to screen in advance which is clearly caused by bureaucratic failures withing the CDC//NIH, as Anthony Fauci and other officials have repeatedly cited their organization is responsible for. 2) Trump making a verbal gaffe that test kits are available already, based on what he was told by the CDC. Those "available test kits" have been delayed several times.
But Trump has more than made up for that by organizing/mobilizing private companies to do this testing nationwide over the next week. I doubt it would even occur to Obama or Hillary to rely on and organize the private sectorr to help out in a national eemergency.
And with his trade war over the last year, Trump has already made a huge dent in dependency on manufacturing and imports from China. How much more vulnerable would we be to "being thrown into a mighty sea of coronavirus" by Chinese dependency?
Only because of Trump are we approaching regained sovereignty and independence from China. Hillary or Biden would continue to corruptly take the money and further push us into enslavement and danger from Chinese supremacy.
Obama declared a national emergency when 1,000 people were already dead from Swine Flu/H1N1 in 2009, and millions infected. Trump declared a national emergency yesterday when less than 50 were reported dead and about 1,700 diagnosed infected.
Which president do you think is acting more in proactively/effectively and in the interest of the American people, M E M?
Obama did, you can lie all you want but I’ve seen plenty of fact checks on how conservatives are trying to use the swine flu comparison. Obama declared an emergency when there was something like 20 confirmed cases in the US. He didn’t play it down or contradict his administration’s experts all the way like Trump has. The CDC didn’t have the same problems with testing that it is having here. Obama didn’t classify the deliberations either like Trump has. And when there was a vaccine available some of your conservative heroes like Rush and Hannity pushed conspiracy stories. You continue to cite numbers that are artificially low because this country doesn’t have enough tests. Trump has known this was an issue and that we’ve been flying blind mostly while the virus has spread. We don’t know who decided not to use the WHO test but instead a whole new one that ended up being flawed btw. The CDC isn’t saying nor is the Trump administration. Who could be being protected here?
Some good news is the house passed a Coronavirus bill that Trump is urging republicans to support. (I think) I read reporting yesterday and my impression is that Trump wasn’t going to support it, his gop toadies were on all board not to support it. At some point in the early evening though it became apparent that nobody told the toadies that Trump was now for it. I give Trump credit for at least realizing that he needs this bill for his political survival. I give Pelosi credit for doing all the work that will ultimately benefit most politically a shit bag that can’t even handle meeting her. Pelosi in a time of crisis got a bill put together for some much needed relief as the virus sweeps the country.
I saw an interview early this morning with a Republican House member who would not vote for the emergency bill, because he had no opportunity to read the bill in advance, and said he supports the president and respects Pelosi, but under those conditions could not vote for it.
He said that only Pelosi possibly knows everything that's in it.
So it's another case of "You have to pass it to see what's in it." Which, on the part of those in both parties who passed it, is irresponsible government. Pelosi had already a day before it passed tried to sneak in a bypass of the 1976-legislated "Hyde Amendment" (that no government funding of abortion would be permitted, except in the cases of rape, incest, or risk to the like or health of the mother). As Tucker Carlson termed it, "Pelosi tried to barter saving lives of adult Americans by funding the deaths of children."
It is loathesome that Pelosi and the Democrats would try to slip that kind of stuff into a bill for emergency funding containing a Wuhan Flu/"Covid-19" epidemic, that worlwide has a track record of killing about 1% of those infected. That is what they're playing games with.
I’ve heard accusations from both sides on this. The other side is saying that this was an attempt to tank the aid package by trying to create a false abortion issue. Outside of the accusations Pelosi negotiated a package with Trump (who couldn’t even set aside his partisanship to meet with her) that passed with only 40 republicans voting against it.
No doubt Trump downplayed the threat of coronavirus to the deterrent of the nation WB.
Washington Post has made clear their hostility toward Trump consistently over the last 4 years, and multiple times put foreward false narratives and completely wrong stories, in their zeal to report whatever negative strory then can manufacture about Trump. Often with anonymous sources.
I said above the errors Trump and the CDC have made. I've made clear the far greater counterbalancing advance leadership by Trump, things no other president would have done, that Dr. Fauci has called "absolutely the right thing to do", that has aalready saved countless thousands of lives. Whatever errors Trump might have made in a select few off-the-cuff remarks is far surpassed by the information Pence and the CDC and NIH make daily to inform the nation of the actual facts.
Trump's job as president is to rally the nation and not incite it into panic. I don't fault him for giving assurances and saying what his own CDC promised him about availability of test kits. That failure was within the CDC and not from Trump. And it's not like we only have only a state-run political statement from Trump or other political leaders (as in, say, China or Iran or North Korea, or perhaps even socialist Europe). Quite the contrary, any statement that is ambiguous or misleading or incorrect is immediately, THAT DAY corrected by Pence or Fauci or other medical officials.
Much as propagandists of the Left, including a centerpece of the Left, The Washington Post, would like to undermine the president and try to destroy his popular support.
I’ve heard accusations from both sides on this. The other side is saying that this was an attempt to tank the aid package by trying to create a false abortion issue. Outside of the accusations Pelosi negotiated a package with Trump (who couldn’t even set aside his partisanship to meet with her) that passed with only 40 republicans voting against it.
It was pretty clear that this Republican congressman was a supporter of Trump and would have voted for the bill if he was allowed 24 or 48 hous to actually read it.
It's again a case of Pelosi's: "You have to pass it to see what's in it."
And a case of Cloward and Piven strategy, to create a crisis situation where reforms that would never be allowed to pass in normal circumstances, give advantage to Marxist revolutionaries who can advance secret legislation within a crisis legislation.
And a manifestation of Rahm Emmanuel's "Never let a crisis go to waste", in using a crisis to advance theior deceptive secret agenda.
Obama declared a national emergency when 1,000 people were already dead from Swine Flu/H1N1 in 2009, and millions infected. Trump declared a national emergency yesterday when less than 50 were reported dead and about 1,700 diagnosed infected.
Which president do you think is acting more in proactively/effectively and in the interest of the American people, M E M?
Obama did, you can lie all you want but I’ve seen plenty of fact checks on how conservatives are trying to use the swine flu comparison.
The "factchecks" are again written by the Washington Post (Factcheck) and Tampa Tribune (Politifact), which 75% of the time overwhelmingly target Republicans/conservatives to deconstruct and paint as liars. Papers that have expressed their clear partisan hatred of the president (and Republicans in general). I'm not saying they can't post facts, but they do consistently reach for a context to label a Republican as "somewhat true" or "partially true" when they are just plain TRUE.
Specific to the declaration of a national emergency, Obama had declared lesser emergencies prior to declaring a national emergency. The factcheck spin-sites hide that. It was only when 1,000 people were already dead in 2009 from Swine Flu/H1N1, six months AFTER the crisis began, that Obama declared a national emergency. As Trump did Friday, 6 weeks after suspending flights from China, at a point when there were about 40 deaths. Swine Flu ultimately infected 59 million people. Only a national emegency declaration allows the relaxing of bureaucracy and massive sudden move of resources that we are seeing now.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Obama declared an emergency when there was something like 20 confirmed cases in the US. He didn’t play it down or contradict his administration’s experts all the way like Trump has. The CDC didn’t have the same problems with testing that it is having here. Obama didn’t classify the deliberations either like Trump has. And when there was a vaccine available some of your conservative heroes like Rush and Hannity pushed conspiracy stories. You continue to cite numbers that are artificially low because this country doesn’t have enough tests. Trump has known this was an issue and that we’ve been flying blind mostly while the virus has spread. We don’t know who decided not to use the WHO test but instead a whole new one that ended up being flawed btw. The CDC isn’t saying nor is the Trump administration. Who could be being protected here?
The numbers I cite are the numbers. CONFIRMED cases. Both Trump and CDC have said the numbers will see a rise when testing begins, to diagnose already infected cases. And despite the delay in available tests, Trump way more than Obama shut down flights from China, and now Europe, to contain the spread.
I watch Hannity regularly, and never saw the demagoguery that you allege. There's a difference between expressing concerns, and engaging in hysteria and disinformation.
While I'm typing this I'm listening to the opening editorial on The Next Revolution (a populist show that I like because it holds both parties accountable for corruption and disinformation) and he was expressing concerns about how bad this crisis could get in the U.S., urging the building of auxilliary hospitals to prepare, and prevent U.S. hospitals from being overwhelmed. If it were Obama he were criticizing, you would characterize that as fomenting panic and "conspiracy theories". But it is the same warning and concern, the same standard, Fox had regarding Obama, and the 2003 SARS outbreak under W. Bush.
I heard a similar bio-security and infectious disease expert, Michael Osterholm express fears of under-preparation with a lack of hospital staff and respirator machines on Tucker Carlson a few nights ago. He was angered at the complacency of the Medicare/Medicaid head who was interviewed just before him. Far from Fox being just the "everything is great" propaganda you allege, that only targets Obama. Likewise Lou Dobbs on FBN the last few nights. Likewise Maria Bartiromo on Sunday. While not inciting panic, they express there is a possibility hospitals could be overwhelmed. And as I cited with the BBC News video I linked, both the U.S. and U.K., and probably all nations dealing with this, are trying to "flatten the curve" and avoid that spike that overwhelms the system. See the Australian Four Corners video I posted above, showing exactly how bad it got in Wuhan province. State officials went building to building and melted the locks with welding torces so people could not leave their apartments! Basically trapping them to die in their homes, if infected.
Perhaps the brutal authoritarian measures the Chinese used prevented the crisis from being even worse there. One commentator I saw speculated that our unwillingness to so brutally contain the infected population could lead to a wider outbreak in the U.S., and cost more lives. But I suspect (as do most nations) that thousands more died than is officially reported in China, and "treatment" was mostly rounding them up and leaving them somewhere out of sight to die.
No doubt Trump downplayed the threat of coronavirus to the deterrent of the nation WB.
Washington Post has made clear their hostility toward Trump consistently over the last 4 years, and multiple times put foreward false narratives and completely wrong stories, in their zeal to report whatever negative strory then can manufacture about Trump. Often with anonymous sources.
I said above the errors Trump and the CDC have made. I've made clear the far greater counterbalancing advance leadership by Trump, things no other president would have done, that Dr. Fauci has called "absolutely the right thing to do", that has aalready saved countless thousands of lives. Whatever errors Trump might have made in a select few off-the-cuff remarks is far surpassed by the information Pence and the CDC and NIH make daily to inform the nation of the actual facts.
Trump's job as president is to rally the nation and not incite it into panic. I don't fault him for giving assurances and saying what his own CDC promised him about availability of test kits. That failure was within the CDC and not from Trump. And it's not like we only have only a state-run political statement from Trump or other political leaders (as in, say, China or Iran or North Korea, or perhaps even socialist Europe). Quite the contrary, any statement that is ambiguous or misleading or incorrect is immediately, THAT DAY corrected by Pence or Fauci or other medical officials.
Much as propagandists of the Left, including a centerpece of the Left, The Washington Post, would like to undermine the president and try to destroy his popular support.
You can spin all you want but even I knew Trump was wrong when he said anybody could get tested when he said it. If I knew that how in the heck did shitbag not know? And this wasn’t something that just happened that day. Trump had to have known way before than that there was a testing problem and how much that was going to leave us flying blind. And who actually made the decision not to use the WHO tests? Trump nor the CDC is saying. Who does it sound like that would reject a foreign test for an American one?
For something this huge mistakes will happen. It would be unfair to parse what the shit bag says or take out of context. I sadly don’t need to do that.
On Friday, Hannity showed media coverage from multiple liberal media networs from the day and evening in 2009 when Obama declared a national emergency for Swine Flu/H1N1, 6 months after the outbreak began. Where they cheerfully said the death total in the U.S. had reached 1,000 from H1N1. "But hey, don't worry, no need to panic..." To which Hannity, with anger but almost comedically said "Kind of a difference in media coverage, don't you think?"
There is absolutely no doubt the liberal media is trying to weaponize the outbreak to bring down Trump at every turn. As they have with every other exploitable false narrative for the last 4 years.
Did he show any clips of himself fearmongering about rationing of the h1n1 vaccine? Hannity is guilty of exactly what he’s accusing. Shills like him really helped enable Trump to fail this country. These days Trump doesn’t even need to pretend they take responsibility for what they or do.
You can spin all you want but even I knew Trump was wrong when he said anybody could get tested when he said it. If I knew that how in the heck did shitbag not know? And this wasn’t something that just happened that day. Trump had to have known way before than that there was a testing problem and how much that was going to leave us flying blind. And who actually made the decision not to use the WHO tests? Trump nor the CDC is saying. Who does it sound like that would reject a foreign test for an American one?
For something this huge mistakes will happen. It would be unfair to parse what the shit bag says or take out of context. I sadly don’t need to do that.
It is not "spin" for me to cite the facts that you lyingly evade. (And again, you only demonstrate YOURSELF to be a "shitbag" when you call the president that. His actions as president demonstrate him to be the most quantifiably accomplished and transformative president of the last 50 years, even more accomplisshed his first year than Ronald Reagan.) And you were not misled, were you, Dr Fauci and Vice President Pence almost immediately clarified the test kits were expected in days, no one was misled. It is a gaffe, not not a major gaffe. The only real error was not having the test kits available, and again, that is not Trump's failure, but a bureaucratic failure within the CDC in not producing the kit on time.
Trump's job, as I said before, and is obvious, is to not panic the nation, to insteas assure and stabilize the nation and economy, and I certainly undertand that's what Trump was trying to do. You of course, in kneejerk reflex, spin the slightest mis-statement by Trump as negatively as you possibly can. Shitbag that you are, you would eagerly destroy the country just to destroy Trump. Which puts you in the company of Bill Maher, Paul Krugman and the like.
Just as you and your party have deceitfully weaponized every proven lie you could against Trump over the last 4 years.
I deconstructed the list of Trump's mis-statements, both real and manufactured in a post above, as itemized by the leftist Vox.
Did he show any clips of himself fearmongering about rationing of the h1n1 vaccine? Hannity is guilty of exactly what he’s accusing. Shills like him really helped enable Trump to fail this country. These days Trump doesn’t even need to pretend they take responsibility for what they or do.
PROVE IT! Show the clips, IN FULL CONTEXT!
I've never seen any allegation from Media Matters or similar liberal blogs that didn't reveal itself to be a blatant misrepresentation of the truth when shown in its full context.
For example when the shitbags on your side allege that Donald Trump "conspired" with the Russians to get them to hack Hillary Clinton's deleted e-mails. When in truth, he joked at a rally to an audience of 10,000 Trump supporters, "Hey, maybe we can just ask the Russians to give them to us!" In a clearly joking context, and far from a secret conspiracy. Media Matters misrepresents as if Trump did this in secret, and conspired to have Russia get them in the first place on Trump's orders. Whereas the joke was that Russia already hacked them a long time ago, and we should just ask them for what they already have. And not even really ask, just as a joke.
The shit bag said this yesterday....” "It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but it's something we have tremendous control of," the President said.
That simply isn’t true. I get that you don’t want to create panic but because his administration dropped the ball with testing the nation is flying blind with a contagious virus that is much more deadly than the flu. His lies are irresponsible and only make a bad situation worse as there are still a lot of folks who still don’t get the situation we’re truly in.
Did he show any clips of himself fearmongering about rationing of the h1n1 vaccine? Hannity is guilty of exactly what he’s accusing. Shills like him really helped enable Trump to fail this country. These days Trump doesn’t even need to pretend they take responsibility for what they or do.
PROVE IT! Show the clips, IN FULL CONTEXT!
I've never seen any allegation from Media Matters or similar liberal blogs that didn't reveal itself to be a blatant misrepresentation of the truth when shown in its full context.
For example when the shitbags on your side allege that Donald Trump "conspired" with the Russians to get them to hack Hillary Clinton's deleted e-mails. When in truth, he joked at a rally to an audience of 10,000 Trump supporters, "Hey, maybe we can just ask the Russians to give them to us!" In a clearly joking context, and far from a secret conspiracy. Media Matters misrepresents as if Trump did this in secret, and conspired to have Russia get them in the first place on Trump's orders. Whereas the joke was that Russia already hacked them a long time ago, and we should just ask them for what they already have. And not even really ask, just as a joke.
Your side are SUCH fucking liars.
Not that I think it actually makes a difference with you but here is Hannity during H1N1.... HANNITY: Did you see the -- the AP story? There's an AP story, ladies and gentlemen, out there about -- everyone's a little bit worried in the back of your mind about swine flu. OK? A lot of people have been talking about it -- they're concerned.
They literally have a list of priorities. When this vaccine finally comes out --
DICK MORRIS (Fox News contributor): Yeah -- right.
HANNITY: -- in October sometime, you know who's last on the list? People 65 and older.
MORRIS: Right.
HANNITY: And I read that, and I'm thinking, all right, isn't that a form of --
MORRIS: Yeah.
HANNITY -- government deciding rationing, if you will --
MORRIS: Exactly.
HANNITY -- the limited number of vaccines they'll ultimately come up with?
MORRIS: Yeah, and more importantly these decisions are being made by a policy board, not by your doctor.
HANNITY: Exactly.
MORRIS: If your doctor knows that you're weak and susceptible and all of that, and one shot -- one attack of the flu is going to kill you, then you should be able to get the shot.
You can see the clip on Media Matters. Now would you have any evidence of Hannity acting supportive of the Obama administration during H1N1? Is it a shock that he acts differently now that it’s a lying piece of shit in the WH? Hannity is just a propagandist shill, no principles on what he says. If it’s a dem, undermine. If it’s gop than damage control.
Did he show any clips of himself fearmongering about rationing of the h1n1 vaccine? Hannity is guilty of exactly what he’s accusing. Shills like him really helped enable Trump to fail this country. These days Trump doesn’t even need to pretend they take responsibility for what they or do.
PROVE IT! Show the clips, IN FULL CONTEXT!
I've never seen any allegation from Media Matters or similar liberal blogs that didn't reveal itself to be a blatant misrepresentation of the truth when shown in its full context.
For example when the shitbags on your side allege that Donald Trump "conspired" with the Russians to get them to hack Hillary Clinton's deleted e-mails. When in truth, he joked at a rally to an audience of 10,000 Trump supporters, "Hey, maybe we can just ask the Russians to give them to us!" In a clearly joking context, and far from a secret conspiracy. Media Matters misrepresents as if Trump did this in secret, and conspired to have Russia get them in the first place on Trump's orders. Whereas the joke was that Russia already hacked them a long time ago, and we should just ask them for what they already have. And not even really ask, just as a joke.
Your side are SUCH fucking liars.
Not that I think it actually makes a difference with you but here is Hannity during H1N1.... HANNITY: Did you see the -- the AP story? There's an AP story, ladies and gentlemen, out there about -- everyone's a little bit worried in the back of your mind about swine flu. OK? A lot of people have been talking about it -- they're concerned.
They literally have a list of priorities. When this vaccine finally comes out --
DICK MORRIS (Fox News contributor): Yeah -- right.
HANNITY: -- in October sometime, you know who's last on the list? People 65 and older.
MORRIS: Right.
HANNITY: And I read that, and I'm thinking, all right, isn't that a form of --
MORRIS: Yeah.
HANNITY -- government deciding rationing, if you will --
MORRIS: Exactly.
HANNITY -- the limited number of vaccines they'll ultimately come up with?
MORRIS: Yeah, and more importantly these decisions are being made by a policy board, not by your doctor.
HANNITY: Exactly.
MORRIS: If your doctor knows that you're weak and susceptible and all of that, and one shot -- one attack of the flu is going to kill you, then you should be able to get the shot.
You can see the clip on Media Matters. Now would you have any evidence of Hannity acting supportive of the Obama administration during H1N1? Is it a shock that he acts differently now that it’s a lying piece of shit in the WH? Hannity is just a propagandist shill, no principles on what he says. If it’s a dem, undermine. If it’s gop than damage control.
There is what was actually said, and how you characterize it as "fearmongering". When your side asks the same kind of questions, it's perfectly OK, it's "journalism". When my side asked regarding Obama the exact same kind of quenstion, it's spun as "fearmongering".
It's a fact that was a general fear from the moment Obamacare was legislated, that there were "death panels" where insurance companies for a broaad base of illnesses under Obamacare that insurers could for cost-benefit corporate reasons deny healthcare or heart surgery to a taxpaying citizen in his 70's or 80's, and then give that same quadruple bypass surgery availability to a 40-year-old illegal immigrant. That was a legitimate already-asked question about heart surgery under Obamacare. Why is it illegitimate and "fearmongering" to ask about limited availability and rationing of H1N1 vaccine under the same rationed-care plan?
I just listened to a daily Coronavirus press conference with Donald Trump and his healthcare team, where he was asked some arguably similar questions, about limited access to vaccine and who would get it. Dr Fauci said that today they began testing the prototype vaccine on 25 volunteer test subjects over the next 28 days. If successful they could begin vaccine production that quickly. I've further heard reporters at this and previous recent press conferences asking Trump: "Are you personally responsible for this?", "What is your level of responsibility?", and "On a scale from 1 to 10 how would you rate your response to this crisis?"
I don't recall then-President Obama similarly >>EVER<< being asked such questions, even when there were 1,000 or even 12,000 dead from Swine Flu/H1N1. Fearmongering? Demagoguery?
Currently, there are about 60 dead Americans from Wuhan Flu/Covid-19. For your relative comparison.
As recently as two weeks ago, Democrat candidate Mike Bloomberg had flatout said we should deny lifesaving government-funded healthcare treatment to elderly patients in their 70's and 80's, to give those resources to younger patients. He flatout said let them die.
Is that "fearmongering" to report, or just citing the facts? For all the factchecks and alleged "de-bunking" of Obamacare death panels, I never saw adequate facts to disprove what Republican critics of Obamacare officials were saying. What has been occuring for a decade or more with public-option/rationed-care in Canada, the U.K., France and other European countries.
As I cited at the time, even Canadian public officials who legislated an average Canadian citizen had to wait 3 or 6 months for a CAT-scan for a brain tumor, would come across the border and pay out of pocket for superior U.S. private care. Private health care for me, and for thee, peasant citizen, rationed care!
The shit bag said this yesterday....” "It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but it's something we have tremendous control of," the President said.
That simply isn’t true. I get that you don’t want to create panic but because his administration dropped the ball with testing the nation is flying blind with a contagious virus that is much more deadly than the flu. His lies are irresponsible and only make a bad situation worse as there are still a lot of folks who still don’t get the situation we’re truly in.
All that demonstrates is your irrational hatred of President Trump.
Trump is saying we as a nation are trying to take the greatest preventive measures possible. And that we have the outbreaks in China, South Korea, Italy and the rest of Europe to learn from and better prepare.
Regarding a question about eating in restaurants or even takeout food still being served, President Trump said today food service and takeout is still occurring in less densely contaminated regions of the country. Over whether that will remain open, Trump concluded: "I defer to the opinion of healthcare professionals." Is even that a satisfactory response by Trump for you, M E M?
All along, on any given day, whatever assurances by Trump, often standing next to him to clarify are Mike Pence, Dr. Anthony Fauci, and surgeon general Jerome Adams, adding expert details to what Trump says, every day. I think you vastly exaggerate how Trump "misinforms" the public. Like any other person with common sense, I listen to medical officials for information, and understand the statements by Trump and other political figures are more weighted by assurances. Or in the case of CNN, Democrat officials and the other DNC-allied liberal media, just politically motivated attacks.
I think Trump's immediate and unprecedented suspension of flights from China on Jan 31st puts the lie to Democrats' notion that Trump "downplayed" the severity of the Wuhan Flu epidemic.
Trump's suspension of flights, said Kayleigh McEnany last night, "is now the standard by which all future outbreaks will be handled by future presidents."
As for “smoking doesn’t kill” Pence, I read how he treated hiv in his state. He’s already proven he can make a bad situation worse.
By not handing out needles to IV drug users, and thus encouraging IV drug use?
I have a better idea: Arrest drug users and put them in jail, where they can't continue to shoot up and share needles. The Left has demonized Pence from day one because he's a devout Christian conservative. But I haven't seen where it is proven with any evidence that Pence actually increased the AIDS crisis in Indiana as governor with his policies. Pence just thought it was a dumb idea for his government to give needles to drug addicts, and thus give state endorsement to IV drug use.
On the 6PM news, it was reported that as of today, medical facilities natiowide have 1 million Coronavirus testing kits distributed and ready to test. Next week it will be 2 million, and the week after 5 million.
As of today with increased testing, there are 4,567 reported infections, 85 have died, and 73 have fully reccovered and are out of the 14-day quarantine. In the last 2 days, over 23,000 have been tested, of which about 3,000 have tested positive for the virus. Over 50 of the dead are in Washington state alone, 29 at one nursing home.
Looking at the China numbers for today: 80,880 cumulative total infected, 3,213 deaths, and 67,819 fully recovered. Leaving 9,848 reported cases still pending. If their numbers are reliable. That's with the most draconian measures taken to contain the virus. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...n_China.svg.png Even as severe as it was in China, it peaked in about 4 weeks, and reported new cases have rapidly receded.
Hopefully in the United States the crisis will peak and be receding in 4 to 6 weeks, based on the example of China. And the examples of Italy and South Korea, which had their initial cases around Feb 18 to 24th, barely 3 weeks ago.
Likewise France. Britain and Spain are only possibly in the last day or two starting to see a decline in new cases. Of the other European nations, virtually all despite having a relatively low number of cases per individual country, virtually all seem to still be rising in daily new cases.
On 14 March, several federal states widened their measures to limit public activities. For example, Berlin, Schleswig-Holstein and Saarland closed bars among other leisure venues. Cologne forbid all events in the city center. Shops noted a great increase in demand for provisions and sanitary products.[133] An FDP member of Bundestag, Thomas Sattelberger, complained about a video aired by Germany's largest public broadcaster, ARD.[134] The video, intended as satire, presented Covid-19 as a justified reflex of nature by particularly killing the old as well as people in the developed world, who it suggested ruined the planet with global warming and turbocapitalism, so that this way there would be less pollution and overpopulation. Sattelberger, himself 70 years old and infected, declared this satire to be in poor taste under the circumstances. The authors of the video later apologized.
Pretty typical representation of the Leftist mentality. We have wealth, we are polluters of Mother Earth, we are white and aged, we don't deserve to be protected, we deserve to die. No protections or closures of borders or restricted travel from Iran and other infected nations outside the E.U. It was only massive popular outrage that made German political leadership finally BEGIN to deal with the crisis. They have no natural impulse to protect their citizens. A perfect and inevitable by-product of the liberal mentality. The mentality of the broadcasters's video is the same mentality as Germany's political leadership. And this is 5 years after Merkel let in over a million muslim refugees to rob, rape, and terrorize German citizens, and ultimately not assimilate.
Gee, what if we had an enlightened liberal president like Angela Merkel...
Just imagine how many wealthy white polluters could be eliminated!
Thank God we dodged that bullet, and have the president we do.
This is getting rather unsettling. The country is getting closer and closer to a complete lockdown. And intermittently between public assurances, there are doctors and epidemiology experts, even within the CDC, who say that hospitals could be overwhelmed with more pneumonia-symptom patients than they have beds and respirators to care for. I first saw the term in BBC News a few days ago, about "bending the curve" through self-imposed isolation, to prevent a wave of infections that could overwhelm hospital capacity to treat all those infected.
In addition, we are fiercely dependent on China for supplies, for 80% of our phamaceuticals, and for 96% of our antibiotices. And as I cited earlier, at least one source in Chinese news media has threatened to deny supplies and drown America "in a mighty sea of coronavirus".
Oddly on FBN, the Trish Regan and Kennedy shows (their 8PM and 9PM nightly programs) have been taken off the air and replaced by Objectified (celebrity interview re-runs), and Strange Inheritance (re-runs of FBN's version of Antiques Roadshow). FBN officially is saying they suspended the shows to run breaking news on the Covid-19 crisis, but instead they are just playing inane re-runs.
I hope that efforts to contain the virus mean that at almost 8,000 cases diagnosed in the U.S. at this point (out of 321 million total population), and massive testing now being done, that we are near or passing the peak outbreak and new cases will begin to decline, as virtually everyone at risk will either be in isolation or in treatment, and new outbreak clusters increasingly easy to isolate.
But there are certainly voices saying the outbreak could get a lot worse, and cases could explode into the hundreds of thousands where, like in China and Italy, many could die just because there are no more facilities left available to care for those who require hospitalization to recover. 80% have mild/moderate symptoms that don't require hospital care. About 20% of them do. About 1% die even with the best care. As shown in Italy (where we know the actual numbers), and in China (where we don't), without that technology the numbers can go a lot higher. Even with the best care many take a month of care, or possibly more, to recover. The entire world is only 10 weeks into this epidemic since China disclosed Coronavirus-19's very new existence on Dec 31st. 10 weeks. There is still a lot we don't know.
I'm also seeing a lot more interviews of Covid-19 patients in their 40's and even younger, who don't have any visible immune problems like asthma or heart disease, healthy relatively young people who are getting whacked by this and require hospitalization. The official narrative is that if you're not over 60 or immune-compromised you're safe. But there are a number who are ostensibly healthy who are requiring hospitalization. Especially alarming are doctors and nurses infected, and even, as of this writing, two CDC officials.
This much is also true: Even in the best scenario, this is a nation-changing event, and globe-changing event, that will alter the world forever. Telemedicine. Increased home-employment and "social-distancing". A move away from globalization and reliance on foreign manufacturing and supply, especially away from reliance on China. In the best scenario, we will regain our sovereignty and become more self-reliant, more nationalist and less reigned into globalism. While the period of vulnerability of this crisis will pass, the memory of it will not. And while much of our culure will return to relative normal, much will change permanently as a result.
My whole office got sent home today for at least two weeks. Governors orders. Everyone’s getting paid. The support staff is furloughed but can be called in to assist other departments if necessary. I am to work from home via remote access unless there’s an emergency that requires me to go to court. The courts are more or less closed to everything but emergency actions until the end of April.
This is reminiscent of 9-11-2001. But even larger. I always prefer to pay cash. If I even choose to leave home to do something necessary during this crisis, many places will not take cash now, you have to use credit cards.
Li Wenliang (12 October 1986 – 7 February 2020) was a Chinese ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital who on 30 December 2019 warned fellow colleagues about a possible outbreak of an illness that resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), later acknowledged as COVID-19, on WeChat. He became a whistleblower when his warnings were later shared publicly.[1][2] On 3 January 2020, Wuhan police summoned and admonished him for "making false comments on the Internet".[1][3] Li returned to work, later contracted the virus from an infected patient and died from the disease on 7 February 2020, at age 33.[4][5]
An unsung hero who tried to warn the world, and was punished for it by the Chinese government.
Italy had 475 deaths in one day today. That's a lot of grief for a lot of families in one day. In the previous 3 days, they lost 345, 349, and 368. I hope for their sake that's the worst day and the numbers will decrease from this point forward.
An Ohio mother is warning any skeptics doubting the seriousness of coronavirus to think again — saying the “brutal” bug quickly took over her body without warning. Amy Driscoll, 48, of Hudson, shared her experience with COVID-19 in a detailed Facebook post on Saturday [March 14], just hours after being released from a hospital.
“I am the face of this infection,” Driscoll wrote, using her maiden name of Brock. “It is brutal and I’m a healthy 48 year old [sic] with no underlying conditions … Please take this seriously. People you love, their lives may depend on it.” Driscoll, a mother of four, said she first started feeling “run down and feverish” on Wednesday afternoon [March 11] with a headache, a cough and a fever that reached 99.2 degrees before she fell asleep.
Driscoll then awoke at 3 a.m. Thursday [March 12] with difficulty breathing, prompting her to drive herself to a hospital after being told by emergency room staffers to first call the state’s Department of Health coronavirus hotline, she recalled. “It’s a good thing I did,” she continued. “My [blood pressure] was very low and my heart rate was very high. These are not good signs on top of fever and cough.”
Medical staff gave Driscoll “every test they could think of” and kept her Thursday in an isolation unit, which was a “horrible” experience, she told the Plain Dealer. “It was lonely, it was disorienting,” Driscoll told the newspaper while thanking nurses for their devoted care. “Every time they came in my room they risked exposure to the virus. I just can’t thank them enough.”
It’s unclear where Driscoll picked up the virus, but she went to a Cleveland Cavaliers game on March 7 and her ex-husband recently traveled to Germany, the newspaper reports. She now remains in self-quarantine with her son — though they are staying away from one another within their home. “If I’m upstairs, he’s in the basement,” she told the newspaper. “If he comes up, I move to another room.”
Health officials in Summit County announced Sunday that an unidentified woman in her 40s had been confirmed as the county’s second coronavirus case. “The patient had no known travel associated risk or known exposure to someone infected with the virus,” health officials said in a statement. “Therefore, this is most likely the result of spread of the virus in our community.”
Driscoll, meanwhile, is one of 36 people across Ohio who had been diagnosed as of Sunday, the Akron Beacon Journal reports. She’s continuing to recover, but is still fighting through fatigue and headaches, she told the newspaper.
So about a 5-day period from exposure to onset of symptoms, and then at least a 14-day recovery time.
On Shannon Bream's show this hour, I watched another interview of a doctor, saying that against the narrative that you have to be older and have immunity problems to be stricken by Covid-19/Hunan Flu badly enough to require hospitalization. But Dr. Jerome Siegel said that many in their 20's, 30's and 40's have required hospitalization to live. the difference is that with care, they were strong enough to survive.
There are several other personal accounts alongside this article, at the link.
My favorite nude-photos and 3-way sex with her office staffers former U.S. representative! In all seriousness, I wish her well, she seems to be past the potential crisis period.
Benjamin Netanyahu has authorized the Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security agency, to use cellphone location data to help combat the coronavirus. According to a New York Times report, the data will be used to retrace the movements of individuals who test positive for the virus, and identify others who should be quarantined.
The agency has permission to use the data, which the Shin Bet has collected from Israeli carriers [cel phone carrier services] since at least 2002, for the next 30 days. By directing individuals who may have come into contact with the virus to quarantine themselves immediately via text message, the government could greatly speed up the isolation process. The agency has not made public precisely what data it collects, but experts told the Times that the Israeli government can use it to track almost anyone’s location.
“We must preserve the balance between individual rights and general needs, and we are doing so,” Netanyahu said yesterday at the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem, where the plan was announced.
An anonymous security official told the Times that the data would be used narrowly, in a “focused, time-limited and limited activity.”
While this is the first high-profile instance of a government using cellphone tracking for public health purposes, such data has been used for advertising and law enforcement in many countries. Last year, Motherboard reported that AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint have sold customer location data to data sellers, who sold it to over 250 bounty hunters and related firms. The data included the phones’ assisted GPS data, which is intended to help first responders locate 911 callers, and can accurately pinpoint a user within a few meters.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday he would issue lockdown orders unless Israeli residents started complying with guidelines urging them to stay home amid increasing coronavirus cases.
“Yesterday we gave clear instructions ... asking people to stay at home as much as they can and to go outside only when it’s vital, for food supplies and other such needs we specified,” he said in an interview with Israeli Channel 12 TV. Netanyahu said Israel’s ultra-orthodox Jewish community and “parts of the minorities,” referencing Arab-Israelis, have not taken the message. “If the message is not understood, then I will not hesitate to impose an order,” Netanyahu said, according to Reuters.
In the interview, he cited instances in which the country’s ultra-orthodox community continued to hold large weddings and some religious schools remained open despite a national closure of educational institutions. He did not give any details of a lockdown order and said he would further address the issue in public remarks on Thursday. "If necessary, the order for a lockdown will be ready tomorrow," he said, adding that a full lockdown would have devastating effects on the economy.
Netanyahu said that Israel’s situation was better than that of most countries. “We need to make sure that is continues this way,” he said, as reported by the Jerusalem Post.
As of Wednesday, 433 people had been diagnosed with the virus and six were in critical condition, marking an increase of about 100 people in 24 hours. “So far we have done all the things that have led the State of Israel to be among the three or four countries in the best situation in the world - but that is not summer vacations. We have anticipated the rest of the world in closing borders, widespread home isolation, limiting malfunctions, and using digital tools that have now been activated,” the prime minister said.
Netanyahu’s remarks came after the nation announced Wednesday that it would be sealing its borders, barring all foreigners to curb the spread of Covid-19.
As of March 12, the country would still allow non-Israel nationals into the country if they could prove they had the ability to self-quarantine. Under the new ban, even those with the means to self-quarantine will be denied access to the country. Only Israeli citizens and permanent residents will be allowed back into the country. Also on Wednesday, the Health Ministry announced it has begun using mass surveillance tools to retrace the movements of coronavirus carriers. It has already informed 400 people who have been in contact with carriers that they must quarantine themselves.
The tracking aims to alert those who were within two meters of someone diagnosed with the virus within the previous two weeks. The electronic tracking program, conducted by the Shin Bet security service, has faced criticism and its legality is currently being challenged in the High Court of Justice. On Tuesday, the nation announced a set of restrictive measures barring visits to parks, beaches, pools, libraries and museums. Health Ministry Director General Moshe Bar Siman Tov told Israeli citizens to stay at home unless absolutely necessary.
Netanyahu also promised a dramatic increase in testing capabilities, saying that he expected between 3,000 and 5,000 people would be tested per day, with testing increasing to up to 10,000 a day within two weeks. According to the Health Ministry, 2,200 tests took place Tuesday, more than double the amount of previous days.
“Leaders around the world laud my decisions,” Netanyahu told Channel 12.
Leave it to the Israelis to pursue the most firm and innovative strategy to insure their safety, and not mess around.
By Kristine Lee and Ashley Feng, The Hill opinion contributors — March 12 2020
As the crisis started to lift at the center of the coronavirus epidemic in China, Beijing launched a powerful campaign to project an image of global leadership while the United States and countries across Asia, Europe, and the Middle East have taken on water. During a call with the Italian foreign minister last month, the Chinese foreign minister expressed hope their “joint fight against the outbreak” would catalyze a “Silk Road” of health care, alluding to the hallmark economic Belt and Road Initiative of President Xi Jinping. Chinese diplomats have proselytized the deft handling of the outbreak by Beijing, as their state agencies sent hundreds of thousands of masks, testing kits and medical supplies to Iran and South Korea last month.
Beijing's actions [are] more pernicious than false advertising. After its early mismanagement of the outbreak, China is brazenly leveraging what is now a global crisis to advance its aims. As Beijing jockeys for leadership in international institutions and tries to mobilize alternative platforms, it is systematically undercutting the ability of these important multilateral systems to provide objective, independent, and transparent assessments that the world needs in times of crisis.
Even before this crisis, China made overtures to international institutions such as the World Health Organization to shape the narrative around it. Tedros Adhanom, the director general of the World Health Organization, a few years ago touted the role of the Belt and Road Initiative in advancing access to quality health care and lavished praise on the proposal by Xi for a health “Silk Road” to promote the exchange of knowledge and replicate the Chinese health model in Belt and Road Initiative countries.
Since the coronavirus first appeared in Wuhan, [WHO director] Adhanom refrained from criticizing Beijing for fear of losing access to China, and instead has gone to great lengths to accommodate Xi. Adhanom has flown to Beijing to praise the Chinese government for its handling of the coronavirus, even though Chinese officials denied the human to human transmissibility of the virus for weeks, detained doctors for “spreading rumors,” and barred World Health Organization officials from entering the country.
While China has effectively silenced the World Health Organization from criticizing its efforts to contain the coronavirus, it has also floated the idea of creating a Chinese alternative to the institution. This is reminiscent of its efforts to create the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank to compete with the International Monetary Fund, even as the International Monetary Fund added the renminbi (or Chinese Yuaan) to its special drawing rights basket.
Even as Beijing leverages its clout within the World Health Organization and other international institutions to peddle a narrative that it is leading the global fight against the coronavirus, the United States and its allies remain leading contributors to the World Health Organization. American contributions amount to 22 percent, while Chinese contributions amount to a mere 12 percent. China also remains a distant second to the United States as the largest contributor to the United Nations overall.
These numbers, however, belie the rhetoric that the highest levels of the American government have deployed in multilateral [forums]. Speaking before the United Nations General Assembly two years ago, President Trump had contended that the United States would “reject the ideology of globalism and accept the doctrine of patriotism.” As Beijing tries to retool the United Nations and other international institutions to its advantage, it leaves in its wake a global system that is struggling to recalibrate absent a clear and strong commitment from Washington toward multilateralism.
The United States should take new steps to stave off Chinese efforts to undercut the integrity of critical institutions such as the World Health Organization and ensure that the Chinese style of leadership stops at its borders. The [U.S.] Department of State, along with the Department of Health and Human Services, must coordinate with American allies and partners to pressure the World Health Organization to provide a fair and honest accounting of how China has handled the outbreak, particularly [investigation] in the hospitals [in a way] not staged to serve the purposes of state propaganda.
The United States should also initiate multilateral consultations with allies, and [with] partners at the United Nations and other international institutions, to promote the protection of whistleblowers working in health care. And to ensure open and transparent reporting on future global health crises unfettered by [Chinese] state censorship, propaganda, and the spread of false information. Finally, the Department of State and the Department of Health and Human Services need to work with their [WHO and Chinese] counterparts to disseminate accurate data about the scale of the coronavirus.
The ability of China to silence the World Health Organization during the spread of the novel coronavirus, is emblematic of the fact that even in a period of crisis, the Chinese government prioritizes control over public safety. The coronavirus pandemic should be an unequivocal wakeup call for the United States and its allies, to collectively oppose Chinese efforts to hollow out the existing rules, [and the U.S. and its allies should] order and advance alternatives [to the WHO policies] that are detrimental to the free flow of information and global public health. ________________
Kristine Lee is an associate fellow for Asia Pacific Security and Ashley Feng is a policy research associate with the Center for a New American Security.
This was a tremendously uplifting press conference, after 2 weeks of media coverage portraying inevitable armageddon of overwhelmed hospitals, and thousands dying for lack of medical treatment. Trump announced new treatment with several evolving new medical threapies:
1) antiviral medications (two of the most unpronouncable names I've ever seen) hydroxychloraquin (formerly an anti-viral drug for treating malaria) and remdesivir (another already-FDA-approved anti-viral drug, used for treating HIV), both of which have proven with limited study to inhibit Covid-19 virus reproduction and infection in patients, to the point that they don't reach the point of pneumonia inflammation of the lungs that becomes life-threatening and requires a ventilator or respirator, and even with respirator treatment might likely die. These antivirals prevent Covid-19 infection from reaching that stage.
2) Two companies are reaching completion of a vaccine for Covid-19, that normally would take 12 to 18 months after completion to produce, that innovative efforts could possibly make available in 6 months or less.
3) A treament from Australia, making a blood serum from antibodies of recovered Covid-19 paatients, making a serum that can be injected and immunize others. The most astonishing thing is that the doctor interviewed on Tucker Carlson last night (Wednesday, 3-18-2020) said that even injecting it into infected patients has stopped the infection with a "100 percent recovery rate". Tucker Carlson was visibly astonished, and said that he has to keep a heathy journalistic skepticism pending further verification of that claim, because no other treatment boasts 100% effectiveness. But reports I've seen in the 24 hours since supports that level 100% success.
4) Army Corp of engineers supporting existing hospitals is providing care for other patients at hospitals nationwide, allowing hospitals to open up more available beds and staff to treat Covid-19 patients. Along with outdoor tents for testing and treating patients, and the capacity for the Army Corps of Engineers to create more temporary hospitals nationwide, if needed.
5) Since GM has temporarily closed manufacturing, they have volunteered (as did Ford) to mass-produce respirator machines to fill the growing need for them. (Important point: In the middle of this crisis, China has stopped supplying to the U.S. the circuit-board used in creating respirator machines, that now the United States has to circumnavigate. China cannot be relied on.)
Trump is proving himself to be a president dealing with wartime-like preparations, and making innovative decisions, that protect us like no other president would. Mobilizing private-sector retailors, drug-store chains, and manufacturers to work in cooperation with the federal government to deal with this crisis. I don't see any other possible president of either party coming up with these innovations. Let alone statist cultural marxists who don't believe in the private sector like Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, or smiling but utterly clueless Joe Biden.
If any of these idealogue bureaucrats were President, we would be drowning in a "mighty sea of coronavirus", instead of deciding quickly to prevent the inflow of infected foreign visitors, and positioning our resources to contain the outbreak. Without President Trump leading the effort, would be China, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, who are overwhelmed, due to leaders who had no will to make the advance preparations to protect their citizens. Thank God we dodged that bullet, and have Trump as President. Who had the instincts and the will to make the right choices early on, while the other nations were overwhelmed.
Shitbag once again veered from what his experts said on the medicines just like he did on the testing, it’s going to be a while before their available if at all. We still don’t have the testing that is needed. I will say he does seem to be done downplaying coronavirus and taking things more seriously.
Shitbag once again veered from what his experts said on the medicines just like he did on the testing, it’s going to be a while before their available if at all. We still don’t have the testing that is needed. I will say he does seem to be done downplaying coronavirus and taking things more seriously.
God. No logical fact-based argument includes the word "shitbag".
You immediately place your comments in a dismissive category with that kind of pure demagoguery and hatred. NOTHING Trump does will ever be acknowledged by you as good leadership and the right move. Yours is just pure kneejerk party-line Democrat propaganda, no matter what. Whatever the Media Matters talking points for the day are.
Even governors Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsom, and CNN and MSNBC anchors like Dana Bash and Joe Scarborough have broken through DNC groupthink and praised Trump's decisive leadership. But you go on with the far-left talking points. And really, beyond any logic, just pure partisan hatred.
The expert doctors were right there next to Trump, at this press conference and similar Coronavirus press conferences every day, if there was anything to correct.
Quest Diagnostics joined national testing efforts last week alongside LabCorp and has vowed to ramp up the supply of test kits quickly.
“We expect to be able to perform 10,000 tests a day by the end of next week,” Quest announced Saturday. “The industry expects its capacity to be increased to more than 20,000 tests per day.”
They later say that they theoretically have capacity to process 280,000 test samples (daily? nationwide?) but that they lack the staff to take all the samples from patients, and the lab staff to process them.
A sample of what the Coronavirus battle is like in my county, with a population of about 1.5 million people.
If they had swabs to drive-through test 20,000 a day, they could test the entire county population in 75 days. But they probably don't have the staff to actually do that.
An argument I'm hearing a lot in the news media is "If we keep up this shutdown, we'll crash the economy even more!" Do they really think if restaurants or other businesses re-open now, people will be going out to eat? NO! The few people willing to go to restaurants and businesses will just further accelerate the curve we've been trying to bend, and not nearly enough to go back to normal or save these businesses by simply re-opening. The only choice is to stop the virus, and then re-open.
I haven’t heard what you’re hearing from the news media. If we’re speaking about the media generally, there is genuine concern about avoiding becoming like Italy where the virus has overwhelmed them. I can see that closing everything down itself causes economic damage but as you say it would be worse if things were kept open. As it is our country doesn’t have the testing capacity even now to really know how much of it has spread. I think states need to all adopt a shelter in place for a chance to really slow this virus down. These days I pretty much assume I have it and keep away from everyone I can btw. And I’m still very much angry that our President downplayed this threat. Glad he’s changed his tone but while this was growing in this country I heard so many people at work echo what he said. And even with a more serious tone he still lies about potential drugs and how fast they can actually be out. Still taking swipes at dems and the media. The criticism has to be tweaked now that the illusion of having this contained or under control is gone. Shit bag takes no responsibility for anything he says or does but nothing new there.
I haven’t heard what you’re hearing from the news media. If we’re speaking about the media generally, there is genuine concern about avoiding becoming like Italy where the virus has overwhelmed them.
We can agree on that 100%. The difference is, part of your party is working with atrump and understands that this is a new virus, and even the experts at the CDC is laboring to catch up in time.
Whereas there are Democrats and the liberal media (as on display at the Coronavirus press conference today) who are viciously trying to blame Trump as a higher priority than surviving.
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I can see that closing everything down itself causes economic damage but as you say it would be worse if things were kept open.
Again, we agree on that.
Originally Posted By: M E M
As it is our country doesn’t have the testing capacity even now to really know how much of it has spread.
As that is phrased, I again agree. Tests have been a long time coming, and CDC has made it clear that they (not Trump) internally made the decision to use the availaable WHO tests because they were considered unreliable. But it was dumb not to use them until CDC had developed an alternative. I don't understand the obsession with blaming that on Trump. Even the day he gave assurances they were already out, his own Coronavirus task force officials made clear they were not.
Originally Posted By: M E M
I think states need to all adopt a shelter in place for a chance to really slow this virus down.
I don't understand what you mean in that part. You mean just not going outside? That's what I'm doing, trying not to go outside for any reason. Whether it is ordered, I have food and water for several weeks, and am behaving as if a complete lockdown was ordered. By doing so I'm protecting myself and others. I think like Seattle and New York, that total lockdown will be called for South Florida too, and preventively for much of the nation.
Originally Posted By: M E M
These days I pretty much assume I have it and keep away from everyone I can btw. And I’m still very much angry that our President downplayed this threat.
Again, on Jan 31, Trump ordered cessation of all flights from China. I don't know how much more of a warning flate he could have fired. I can agree he intermittently made some loose comments that were not consistent with that, and again, I wish he was more consistent. But he didn't say anything that wasn't said by officials of the experts at CDC and elsewhere. That the annual flu generally kills more people than previous new-virus outbreaks like Swine Flu in 2009. That there was a good chance it could go away on its own with hot weather, as other new strains have. Both those things were said by other Doctors and officials. That said, I still wish Trump was more consistent on those being possible best case scenarios, while consistently advocating the greatest preparation for the worst. But again, I think you blame Trump too much for that. NO ONE until early/mid February knew how contagious this strain would be, no advance information from China, only when it spread to South Korea and was finally receding as aa threat did South Korea tell us what they'd found. Trump and th CDC didn't know that yet when earlier comments were made.
And also, when Trump put a ban on flights from China, Democrats and the liberal media railed on him and said he was over-reacting, that Trump is a racist, and Biden is still saying he would not have implemented a flight ban, let alone secured our southern border. How coinsistently "serious" were/are the Democrats and liberal media? There is plenty of inconsistency to go around.
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Glad he’s changed his tone but while this was growing in this country I heard so many people at work echo what he said. And even with a more serious tone he still lies about potential drugs and how fast they can actually be out.
That's not true. Trump is optimistic that these therapies can be produced. I've even seen many doctors interviewed like Dr. Nicole Safier, and Dr. Oz, and others, say a week ago they were despairing, but now they see these things approaching readiness.
The anti-virals are already FDA approved and used for other illnesses, so the medicine is on the shelves, how is that "a lie"? Hydroxychloroquine has been in use to treat Malaria since 1944. Long approved by the FDA, and already available.
The blood serum that has already been tested with alleged 100% success, even in previously ill Covid-19 patients is arguably ready to be tried on actual patients. Dr Fauci at today's press conference said that may be true, but as a medical official, he would prefer it be thorougly blind-trial tested before treating patients with it.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Still taking swipes at dems and the media.
Originally Posted By: WB
That doesn't happen in a vaccuum. Dems slanderously and relentlessly blame Trump, and call him incompetent in handling Coronavirus, and then act shocked and outraged when he defends himself and fires back. But as I said above, even some liberals, and certainly Fauci and the CDC, recognize that Trump suspending China flights was the single smartest move Trump made, that kept the early numbers low, buying the CDC time to prepare.
The criticism has to be tweaked now that the illusion of having this contained or under control is gone. Shit bag takes no responsibility for anything he says or does but nothing new there.
Enough with the "Shitbag" already. You invalidate your own arguments with that clear irrational hatred.
While not scoring 100%, Trump has still done far more than I think any Democrat or Republican president would have done. His bans on Chinese flights, and now European flights, were a time-buying measure that no one else would have implemented. Trump's massive mobilization of retail drugstore companies as a private-sector, support for drive-through testing. Army medical teams, the army corps of engineers, partnering with GM, Ford and Tesla to maanufacture thousands of respirators. No other president has done that in the past, or probably would have thought of those things. Geez, man, give the guy a little credit where it's due.
I'm on the fence whether it will be enough, but it's far more than any other recent president could have even imagined doing to prepare. Certainly not the Democrats, who are all about centralized government power, and would never think to work with private businesses volunteer. Not Gore, not Kerry, not Obama, Biden or any 2020 candidate. They still demonize Trump as a racist for saving U.S. lives with the ban! Dems/media can't even bring themselves to praise Trump for what is widely seen as Trump's most strategic move. Even with the virus threat and a crashing economy, Trump still has 56% approval, up about 10 points since the crisis began.
They are judged evil and rich by Bernie Sanders. But while wanting to drain their wealth with txation, Sanders has a $3 million personal fortune, royalty checks, and a 2nd-home summer cabin, no less! I see a gap in logic there. But in any case
WB I have no problem calling trump a shit bag for pretty specific reasons. Unlike you I try not to go to gross partisan generalizations of a whole party not agreeing with me. In this very thread you however resort to dismissing reality with saying democrats are praying for a recession and a coronavirus outbreak. I’m worried about my loved one’s getting through this as are I think most of us no matter partisanship. In all this you want to paint a pretty picture of Trump, ignoring what he did in the lead up to the pandemic hitting us other than closing borders. That bought us time but it ended up it was wasted time. He acted like that would take care of it and downplayed the threat while attacking the press and democrats. He thanked China for their transparency. Today he’s still attacking the press and dems all the while muddling vital information. I have no problem calling a shit bag a shit bag.
Btw, I’ve been going outside but following the social distancing guidelines. Still haven’t shut down at work but I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens by next week. It’s been unsettling driving through what used to be rush hour traffic, Can’t imagine what so many people are going through with not just dealing with the pandemic but also job loss and the uncertainty that brings with it.
China could have prevented 95 per cent of coronavirus infections if its measures to contain the outbreak had begun three weeks earlier, research from the University of Southampton suggests. However, China only took vigorous action in late January – weeks after police silenced a doctor for trying to raise the alarm.
First detected in Hubei, more than 146,000 people globally have now been infected with Covid-19, whilst over 5,500 have died from the SARS-like disease.
The study published this week by population mapping group WorldPop measured the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical interventions. The researchers examined how China isolated ill persons, quarantined exposed individuals, conducted contract tracing, restricted travel, closed schools and workplaces, and cancelled mass gatherings.
The analysis – which has yet to be peer-reviewed – found that early case detection and contact reduction were effective in controlling the virus and combined measures can reduce transmission. They can also delay the timing and reduce the size of the epidemic’s peak, and thus buy time for healthcare preparations and drugs research.
The simulations drew on human movement and illness data to model how combined interventions might affect the spread of Covid-19.
Coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 66 per cent if the measures were taken a week earlier, the study suggested, or by 86 per cent if action began two weeks earlier. If action was taken three weeks later, then the situation could have worsened 18-fold.
DR LI WENLIANG
Most efforts to tackle the outbreak took place in late January, weeks after Wuhan ophthalmologist Dr Li Wenliang tried to warn about the mystery disease on December 30. He was among eight people who were punished by police on January 1 for spreading “rumours” about the virus.
The Public Security Bureau made Li sign a letter stating that he had made “false comments” and had “severely disturbed the social order.” He died last month of the disease, aged 34, prompting widespread outrage in China.
According to the New York Times, China also ignored offers of help in January from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization.
PANDEMIC
With the virus now classed as a global pandemic, the University of Southampton researchers concluded that social distancing measures should continue for the next few months and China’s approach should be adopted elsewhere as early as possible.
“China’s vigorous, multifaceted response is likely to have prevented a far worse situation, which would have accelerated spread globally,” the study said.
I remember Trump thanking China back than. That would have been around the time our agencies tried briefing him on the threat of the virus according to news reports. It would have been nice if China had done the right thing just like it would have been nice if Trump had acted on the information he was briefed on instead of proclaiming that the virus was contained.
I remember Trump thanking China back than. That would have been around the time our agencies tried briefing him on the threat of the virus according to news reports. It would have been nice if China had done the right thing just like it would have been nice if Trump had acted on the information he was briefed on instead of proclaiming that the virus was contained.
Good Lord, can you stop partisanly demonizing Trump for 5 minutes?
Trump stopped the flights from China early on, against advice from the so-called experts, and retroactively that has saved thousands, possibly millions of American lives from the uncontrolled spread that would have happened very early on. I don't see any evidence that Biden, Sanders, Hillary or Obama would have handled thiss crisis better than Trump. By all evidence, they would have never suspended flights, would never have secured our borders, and are still calling Trump a "racist" for doing so.
And still calling Trump a "racist" for even calling it Wuhan Flu or Chinese virus, for identifying the nation that negligently unleashed this plague on the world.
What Trump has done right: THERE! What I said above. The suspended travel, fast-tracking availability of possible cures, mobilizing private sector companies to do testing, halting detainment of illegals inside the U.S. and immediate repatiating them. If you absolutely must be partisan, I wish you could admit that obviously no Democrat would have taken those preventive measures and prevented the massive escalation of cases in the U.S.
I would further argue that no other Republican would have taken the preventive measures that Trump has early on. I think Trump is the best man we could have hoped for to run the White House in this crisis.
Is he perfect, did he make a few verbal gaffes in his attempts to assure and calm a terrified nation? Yes. Did those gaffes make any real difference, in the larger contest of medical experts out there onstage with him on most occasions, where medical facts can be separated from assuring rhetoric? No, they made no difference at all. Except to be exploited by vicious partisans who would gladly destroy this nation just to make the slightest political gain.
When your side calls the president "racist" for simply identifying this as a virus that originates from China and was spread by the negligence of the Chinese Communist Party, you are literally acting as an auxiliarry of the Chinese Communist Party to spread their lying talking points and hide their negligence.
Noting that Florida has 18,000 available hospital beds out of 55,000 overall and 1,700 of 5,600 ICU beds available, [Florida governor] DeSantis said state officials are looking for optional facilities that could be used to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.
Some ideas could be vacant medical facilities, convention centers and even hotels that would be used to separate people who test positive to reduce the spread of the coronavirus. Across the country, emergency workers are taking over local fairgrounds.
“We want a space where positive cases can be self-isolated in a way that they’re not going to infect other people,″ he said about the hotel plan.
“If somebody comes in and tests positive and you send them back home they are likely to infect people they’ve come in close contact within their home and then the virus continues to spread,″ he said. “If they have a place to self-isolate where they’re not going to be in close contact with anybody then the virus dies with them.”
Statewide, about 60 percent of the confirmed cases are in men, 40 percent in women. The trend is more pronounced in Palm Beach County, with 68 percent men among those testing positive.
DeSantis closed all beaches on Friday, along with other entertainment venues — a move modeled after, but not as extensive as, closures ordered Thursday in hard-hit Miami-Dade County.
Palm Beach County has a population just under 1.5 million.
I think using hotels is a great idea, to comfortably isolate people and stop the chain of infection.
At present, 768 infections total reported in FL. 56 in Palm Beach County. 164 in Broward. 169 in Dade.
Just over half the cases in these South Florida counties alone.
It's surreal to watch TV and see commercials for things like the Sandals Resort, gyms, restaurants, Taco Bell, and one I just saw for Massage Envy, as if they were open and everything were normal.
I wonder if these advertisers will be reimbursed, or get compensating free airtime later, for the ads running now that can't possibly get them any business.
I remember Trump thanking China back than. That would have been around the time our agencies tried briefing him on the threat of the virus according to news reports. It would have been nice if China had done the right thing just like it would have been nice if Trump had acted on the information he was briefed on instead of proclaiming that the virus was contained.
Good Lord, can you stop partisanly demonizing Trump for 5 minutes?
Trump stopped the flights from China early on, against advice from the so-called experts, and retroactively that has saved thousands, possibly millions of American lives from the uncontrolled spread that would have happened very early on. I don't see any evidence that Biden, Sanders, Hillary or Obama would have handled thiss crisis better than Trump. By all evidence, they would have never suspended flights, would never have secured our borders, and are still calling Trump a "racist" for doing so.
And still calling Trump a "racist" for even calling it Wuhan Flu or Chinese virus, for identifying the nation that negligently unleashed this plague on the world.
What Trump has done right: THERE! What I said above. The suspended travel, fast-tracking availability of possible cures, mobilizing private sector companies to do testing, halting detainment of illegals inside the U.S. and immediate repatiating them. If you absolutely must be partisan, I wish you could admit that obviously no Democrat would have taken those preventive measures and prevented the massive escalation of cases in the U.S.
I would further argue that no other Republican would have taken the preventive measures that Trump has early on. I think Trump is the best man we could have hoped for to run the White House in this crisis.
Is he perfect, did he make a few verbal gaffes in his attempts to assure and calm a terrified nation? Yes. Did those gaffes make any real difference, in the larger contest of medical experts out there onstage with him on most occasions, where medical facts can be separated from assuring rhetoric? No, they made no difference at all. Except to be exploited by vicious partisans who would gladly destroy this nation just to make the slightest political gain.
When your side calls the president "racist" for simply identifying this as a virus that originates from China and was spread by the negligence of the Chinese Communist Party, you are literally acting as an auxiliarry of the Chinese Communist Party to spread their lying talking points and hide their negligence.
His lies are not really gaffes and yeah I had to deal with coworkers following Trump’s lead and not realizing how important social distancing is. After restricting travel the shit bag not only downplayed the threat and drowned out his experts with misinformation but left states scrambling for supplies after the virus was being spread in the country. He needs to just stfu and let the experts do the messaging. The whole deal of him crossing out coronavirus in his notes and speech and replacing it with China was just the usual dumb stunts he excels at. I wouldn’t care what the shit bag wants to call it but apparently scared stupid people are attacking fellow countrymen because of their ethnic background. Trump didn’t add anything helpful for the country he’s failed by calling it the Chinese virus. He thrives on stupid stuff like that though.
Dr Fauci and other experts had to actually spend time clarifying Trump’s take on vaccines. The observation G links to isn’t accurate. But in an alternate reality if Trump had stuck to something resembling that he would have been fine. That’s not what happened though
I'm listening to New York governor Andrew Cuomo's press conference right now. While giving a lot of good information, he is also saying some things I know to be untrue. He's saying he wants young people in New York city to stop socializing outside and playing basketball in close contact (i.e ., not practicing "social distancing") and so forth. But he's also saying that if you're a young person, you're not in danger of dying. That's not true. While not in the same numbers as those over 60, people in their 20's 30's and 40's are dying. The numbers in Italy. The numbers in South Korea.
Cuomo is also saying that only if you have a weakend immune-compromised system are you in danger, at any age, of dying. That is also not true. A small ratio of otherwise healthy people have become severely ill and required hospitalization, without which they would have died (see 48 year old Amy Driscoll I linked above, for example.) But I give Cuomo some slack, I think he's working very hard to prepare his city for a war-like situation that probably none of us could fully imagine. He's a political leader and not a doctor. And within the limits of even a one-hour press conference, there's a limit to how much he can clarify. I give him credit, and don't fault him for those errors, he's doing his best. Ultimately, people in New York or wherever need to pay greater attention to medical experts for advice, and not political leaders whose job is to rally the public and avoid panic in a crisis.
I can only imagine the "shitbag" freakout MEM would have if Trump said the exact same things.
One gets the feeling that MEM would purposefully inject himself with the virus and drop dead if he thought it would pwn Trump.
According to WB, I’m praying for recession and for the coronavirus so I guess your comment is more of the same. My point is valid though. Trump has blamed Obama, China, the media and Democrats during this crisis. I get that Trump supporters like that but it’s not good leadership or excuse his failures here.
Point of fact: you rage on Trump endlessly, but you've never said a negative word of blame on China, who as I've detailed, is completely responsible for this outbreak.
The media seem more hell-bent on blaming Trump and undermining his leadership than actually giving him a chance to contain this threat.
China is not responsible for Trump’s failures in dealing with this pandemic. I would point out too that it was Trump that not long ago was gushing about China’s great job and transparency with coronavirus. Now that he needs to divert attention from his fuck ups he has changed his tune. While he was praising China Trump was also attacking the media for overhyping coronavirus.
China is not responsible for Trump’s failures in dealing with this pandemic. I would point out too that it was Trump that not long ago was gushing about China’s great job and transparency with coronavirus. Now that he needs to divert attention from his fuck ups he has changed his tune. While he was praising China Trump was also attacking the media for overhyping coronavirus.
Trump has no failures! That's just your lying narrative. There is nothing you can point to that is a quantifiable failure on Trump's part. A few off the cuff remarks, but nothing you can prove had a negative effect on people, or that backs the lying narrative that Trump has failed to prepare. Trump suspended flights from China on Jan 31st, way before ANY other president would have. Trump has massively mobilized the private sector to assist in testing, as no Democrat would. Trump has fast-tracked pursuit of a vaccine and antiviral remedies and a blood serum cure for the quickest development, more assertively than others would. Trump suspended flights from Europe, another firm preventive measure. The only thing you can point to that has been slow is the test kits from the CDC, but even the CDC has made clear that's their failure, not Trump's.
Your desperation is showing, in how ridiculously you stretch the truth to blame this on Trump.
Jesse Watters on his weekly show last night went through a number of the lying myths the Democrats and liberal media are collaboratively pushing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av7UqUgO7jk
“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.”
I know he doesn’t take any responsibility for anything and you might view his various attacks on Obama, the media and democrats inspiring but the virus doesn’t care what the pos says.
The observation G links to isn’t accurate. But in an alternate reality if Trump had stuck to something resembling that he would have been fine. That’s not what happened though
“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.”
I know he doesn’t take any responsibility for anything and you might view his various attacks on Obama, the media and democrats inspiring but the virus doesn’t care what the pos says.
The Hill is a pretty dead-center publication that I've sourced in the past. But this is not a The Hill article, it is one re-posted from The Washington Post, a rabidly anti-Trump newspaper that has made no secret of its hostility toward the president, and has run with a long stream of unconfirmed stories that have been proven untrue a few days later, or at best used "anonymous sources" that could be completely made up and not actually exist.
This short Washington Post piece fits into the latter category, using anonymous sources, and not really saying anything specific about what Trump allegedly did wrong.
Here I deconstructed it piece by piece:
Quote:
INTEL REPORTS GOING BACK TO JANUARY WARNED OF CORONAVIRUS THREAT
By Tal Axelrod, 03/20/2020
The intelligence community was warning of the danger posed by the novel coronavirus throughout January and February as the White House downplayed [HOW?] the threat and was slow to roll out [HOW?] nationwide measures, reports show [WHAT REPORTS?].
U.S. officials [ANONYMOUS SOURCE] familiar with spy agency reporting told The Washington Post that the reports [UNSPECIFIED]did not clarify when the virus might spread in the U.S. or recommend specific steps to prevent an outbreak[SO THEY DIDN'T GIVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS TO TRUMP FOR HIM TO NOT ACT ON AND BE BLAMED FOR], but they did track the international spread of the coronavirus and warn that China was initially dismissing the seriousness of what is now a pandemic. [WHICH IS WHY TRUMP SUSPENDED ALL CHINA FLIGHTS ON JAN 31st, DESPITE ADVICE AGAINST IT AND DESPITE NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS BY THESE ANONYMOUS SOURCES].
While President Trump did take early action to close the border to any travelers from China, where the coronavirus first appeared, the White House was slow to make test kits available and ceded much of the response to state governments. [AGAIN, THE CDC'S FAULT NOT TRUMP'S, AS DR. FAUCI AND OTHERS HAVE SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINED, DESPITE THAT THIS PIECE LYINGLY BLAMES IT ON TRUMP.}
Intelligence agencies “have been warning on this since January,” a U.S. official who had access to intelligence reporting told the Post[ANONYMOUS SOURCE]. “Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people [/i][ANONYMOUS SOURCE, WEASEL WORDS][/i] in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.” [ALLEGATION, NO SPECIFIC EXAMPLE]
The White House has defended the president’s response, dismissing claims that the administration was caught flat-footed and insisting that Trump took early and significant action.
“President Trump has taken historic, aggressive measures to protect the health, wealth and safety of the American people — and did so while the media and Democrats chose to only focus on the stupid politics of a sham illegitimate impeachment,” Hogan Gidley said in a statement to the Post. “It’s more than disgusting, despicable and disgraceful for cowardly unnamed sources to attempt to rewrite history — it’s a clear threat to this great country.” [DAMNED GOOD POINT, THAT EVEN AMID THE WORST PART OF A BASELESS AND PURELY POLITICAL IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, TRUMP HAD AN AWARENESS OF THE THREAT AND MADE AN EXCELLENT JUDGEMENT CALL TO SUSPEND CHINESE TRAVEL THAT DEMOCRATS AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA PORTRAYED AS "EXTREME", "OVER-REACTION" AND "RACIST". WHAT DR ANTHONY FAUCI OF NIH SAID WAS THE SINGLE GREATEST ACTION TO DELAY A SPIKE IN CASES AND BUY THE NATION TIME TO PREPARE.]
Obviously, Trump was railed by CNN in the quoted comments by McEnany for Trump praising antivirals hydroxochloroquine and remdesevir as inspiring possible treatments to stop the lethality and by early observation by doctors appears to shorten the virus's period of infection from 14-21 days duration, down to an incredible shortened 6 days.
Obviously, Gov Andew Cuomo made almost the exact same comments as Trump. And obviously Dems and the media praised Gov. Cuomo as a great leader "inspiring hope", while deriding Trump for the exact same opinion of antiviral drugs used to fight Covid-19. As McEnany said "You can't have it both ways." Either both were right, or both were wrong.
From 8 days ago, interviewed for the hour by Mark Levin, Vice President Pence explains the creation,procedures and findings of the Coronavirus task force.
It's pretty odd how toilet paper is somehow perceived as most outstanding sellout item for shoppers to hoard in waiting out the Covid-19 crisis.
I wonder if that's the same worldwide. I saw a video a few days of 2 women fighting over the lack pack of toilet paper rolls. So I guess toilet paper is an industry guaranteed to survive the apocalypse.
My favorite clip of the week, from Friday, Trump eviscerated this NBC reporter, rightly calling him a terrible reporter and a sensationalist, trying to generate hysteria.
Trump and his staff currently are in a press conference since about 6PM. He mentioned that treating the coronavirus epidemic in hospitals is complicated by a particularly bad flu season. I looked it up:
The CDC estimates that, as of March 2020, the 2019–20 United States flu season has caused infections among 36 million people, resulting in 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths.
Obviously the Wuhan Flu/Covid-19 has a more lethal ratio of those it infects. But until Covid-19, I had no idea how lethal the annual flu is, for so many.
The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began counting the 2017–2018 "flu season" as October 2017, and by early February 2018, the epidemic was still widespread and increasing overall. By February 2018, the CDC said that the circulating virus strains included both B strains (Yamagata and Victoria), H1N1 and H3N2.[6] On February 10, 2018, Fortune reported that influenza in the United States was killing up to 4,000 Americans a week, likely to far outstrip the rate of deaths in the 2009–2010 season. An expert[who?] said that the main type of the flu that year had not "changed enough from previous seasons to be considered a novel strain."[citation needed] In the first week of February, deaths from influenza and pneumonia were responsible for one of every ten deaths in the US, with 4,064 from pneumonia or influenza recorded in the third week of 2018, according to CDC data. The CDC also reported 63 child deaths at that point, half of which were not considered medically high risk, and only about 20 percent who were vaccinated.[7][8] Only two of those deaths were babies under six months old.[9]
The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths. This is the highest number of patient claims since the 2009 flu season.[10] 186 pediatric deaths were reported to the CDC.[3] It is estimated there were more than 600 pediatric deaths related to influenza. This estimation is made because every child death is not tested for influenza.[10]
Amazing the things that go virtually unreported, when there is a pressident in office the media doesn't want to politically weaponize it against.
Italy, while still amid a devastating outbreak, appears to have peaked on March 20th, and since then the last few days has been declining in new cases and deaths.
“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.”
I know he doesn’t take any responsibility for anything and you might view his various attacks on Obama, the media and democrats inspiring but the virus doesn’t care what the pos says.
The Hill is a pretty dead-center publication that I've sourced in the past. But this is not a The Hill article, it is one re-posted from The Washington Post, a rabidly anti-Trump newspaper that has made no secret of its hostility toward the president, and has run with a long stream of unconfirmed stories that have been proven untrue a few days later, or at best used "anonymous sources" that could be completely made up and not actually exist.
This short Washington Post piece fits into the latter category, using anonymous sources, and not really saying anything specific about what Trump allegedly did wrong.
Here I deconstructed it piece by piece:
Quote:
INTEL REPORTS GOING BACK TO JANUARY WARNED OF CORONAVIRUS THREAT
By Tal Axelrod, 03/20/2020
The intelligence community was warning of the danger posed by the novel coronavirus throughout January and February as the White House downplayed [HOW?] the threat and was slow to roll out [HOW?] nationwide measures, reports show [WHAT REPORTS?].
U.S. officials [ANONYMOUS SOURCE] familiar with spy agency reporting told The Washington Post that the reports [UNSPECIFIED]did not clarify when the virus might spread in the U.S. or recommend specific steps to prevent an outbreak[SO THEY DIDN'T GIVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS TO TRUMP FOR HIM TO NOT ACT ON AND BE BLAMED FOR], but they did track the international spread of the coronavirus and warn that China was initially dismissing the seriousness of what is now a pandemic. [WHICH IS WHY TRUMP SUSPENDED ALL CHINA FLIGHTS ON JAN 31st, DESPITE ADVICE AGAINST IT AND DESPITE NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS BY THESE ANONYMOUS SOURCES].
While President Trump did take early action to close the border to any travelers from China, where the coronavirus first appeared, the White House was slow to make test kits available and ceded much of the response to state governments. [AGAIN, THE CDC'S FAULT NOT TRUMP'S, AS DR. FAUCI AND OTHERS HAVE SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINED, DESPITE THAT THIS PIECE LYINGLY BLAMES IT ON TRUMP.}
Intelligence agencies “have been warning on this since January,” a U.S. official who had access to intelligence reporting told the Post[ANONYMOUS SOURCE]. “Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people [/i][ANONYMOUS SOURCE, WEASEL WORDS][/i] in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it.” [ALLEGATION, NO SPECIFIC EXAMPLE]
The White House has defended the president’s response, dismissing claims that the administration was caught flat-footed and insisting that Trump took early and significant action.
“President Trump has taken historic, aggressive measures to protect the health, wealth and safety of the American people — and did so while the media and Democrats chose to only focus on the stupid politics of a sham illegitimate impeachment,” Hogan Gidley said in a statement to the Post. “It’s more than disgusting, despicable and disgraceful for cowardly unnamed sources to attempt to rewrite history — it’s a clear threat to this great country.” [DAMNED GOOD POINT, THAT EVEN AMID THE WORST PART OF A BASELESS AND PURELY POLITICAL IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, TRUMP HAD AN AWARENESS OF THE THREAT AND MADE AN EXCELLENT JUDGEMENT CALL TO SUSPEND CHINESE TRAVEL THAT DEMOCRATS AND THE LIBERAL MEDIA PORTRAYED AS "EXTREME", "OVER-REACTION" AND "RACIST". WHAT DR ANTHONY FAUCI OF NIH SAID WAS THE SINGLE GREATEST ACTION TO DELAY A SPIKE IN CASES AND BUY THE NATION TIME TO PREPARE.]
I think you provide an excellent example of how state ran media would handle Trump. Thankfully we have a free an independent press. As for Trump not acting on intelligence that was warning him of this, it’s more than believable. He’s been clear about wanting to keep the coronavirus numbers down in the US so much that he didn’t even want stranded cruise people to be able to get off their boat. I watched the Fox Sunday show where they asked munchkin point blank if our intelligence agencies warned them and he wouldn’t answer it. I would point out that the WP article was taken as credible by the host of the Sunday show.
My favorite clip of the week, from Friday, Trump eviscerated this NBC reporter, rightly calling him a terrible reporter and a sensationalist, trying to generate hysteria.
From Trump's Friday coronavirus press conference Friday, that lasted over 90 minutes.
This is a good example of Trump failing as a leader. Yes, people like yourself who see the other side praying for coronavirus and recession might really enjoy crap like this but he’s supposed to be a leader of more than just a base of people like yourself. Pence who I don’t care for either actually gave a good answer to the reporter’s question instead of Trump’s petty and ugly attack. That question was a perfect opportunity for Trump to say something reassuring to the country.
It's pretty odd how toilet paper is somehow perceived as most outstanding sellout item for shoppers to hoard in waiting out the Covid-19 crisis.
I wonder if that's the same worldwide. I saw a video a few days of 2 women fighting over the lack pack of toilet paper rolls. So I guess toilet paper is an industry guaranteed to survive the apocalypse.
My friends in England were complaining about tp hoarding so it’s not just us.
I think you provide an excellent example of how state ran media would handle Trump. Thankfully we have a free an independent press. As for Trump not acting on intelligence that was warning him of this, it’s more than believable. He’s been clear about wanting to keep the coronavirus numbers down in the US so much that he didn’t even want stranded cruise people to be able to get off their boat. I watched the Fox Sunday show where they asked munchkin point blank if our intelligence agencies warned them and he wouldn’t answer it. I would point out that the WP article was taken as credible by the host of the Sunday show.
I deconstructed how the Washington Post hit piece had no actual sources, NOT ONE named. All completely anonymopus sources, and I was very specific on every word and phrase that was weasel material. Thaat's not me being "state run media", that's me REACTING AND POINTING OUT state run media.
Trump said he wanted to not endanger more Americans by bringing the cruise ship Covid-19 infected into the U.S. in uncontrolled circumstances. And then when finally admitted into California, they WERE MOVED BY THE MILITARY IN UNPROTECTED CIRCUMSTANCES THAT GOT AT LEAST ONE OTHER PERSON INFECTED! You try to spin that as Trump only worrying about appearances and not people, but the military medical team botched it when Trump finally allowed them to dock.
The rest is again your vicious interpretation, always assuming the worst motives by Trump, and I've already deconstructed a lot of examples of what you hold up as "fact" and shown it is just your Trump-demonizing perception.
This is a good example of Trump failing as a leader. Yes, people like yourself who see the other side praying for coronavirus and recession might really enjoy crap like this but he’s supposed to be a leader of more than just a base of people like yourself. Pence who I don’t care for either actually gave a good answer to the reporter’s question instead of Trump’s petty and ugly attack. That question was a perfect opportunity for Trump to say something reassuring to the country.
It's just a fact that your side maliciously smears Trump at every turn, and the Covid-19 outbreak is no different. And it's a fact that Bill Maher and Paul Krugman celebrated the stock market tanking due to Coronavirus, and the liberal media piled on. This NBC News reporter (despite your delusional perception of that clip that denies the vissible truth) is yet another example of that, where no matter what Trump does to rally the nation, and lead, it will be spun by the left as a negative action by Trump. Trump taalked about a fast-tracked vaccine, multiple already FDA approved medications that early on show, in one case, a 100% success rate in stoppong Covid-19 cold and saving lives. The blood serum cure from Australia that is also very promising. And Trump leading like neither Obama, Hillary, Bernie or Biden EVER would be capable of, rallying the private sector to manufacture masks and respirators and ventilators, and not only manufacture but also conduct Coronaaviruss testing at locations nationwide. The Bolsheviks in your party, who despise the private sector, would NEVER organize that kind of aa joint all-hands-on-deck with the private sector.
Whiat did Obama do in a similar crisis in 2009-2010? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. He sat on his hands and let the disease flow into the U.S. to infect 60 million Americans, to hospitalize 360,000, and kill 12,000. Liberal media response: "12,000 people dead, but don't worry, everything's under control, nothing to see here..." Quite a diffeerence from the coverage of Trump now. And Trump went out and golfed right after he announced a nationaal emegency for H1N1/Swine Flu. And the media said "Ohh look, he's exerting so much confidence just going out and golfing, not showing any panic, he's so presidential!" Meanwhile in 2020, President Trump is ACTUALLY LEADING AND PERSONALLY ORGANIZING a massive federal and private sector response. Trump is out there on the front lines at press conferences an hour or two a day answering the nation's questions and concerns. >>IN ADDITION<< to the endless hours he spends daily personally organizing the medical response, at locations nationwide. And this piece of shit NBC reporter can only allege that Trump is deceiving the public and giving them false hope.
Seriously, how stupid are you, to not see that your Bolshevik "Democrat-Socialist" party is absolute shit garbage who haave no actual concern for the American people who they would gladly toss by the tens of millions to Coronavirus, as well as illegal immigrants, drug cartels and gangs, and just let the infected pour into the country. As Obama did. As they called Trump a "racist" for actually preventing.
Your Bolshevik party are not only incompetent, they are malicious, and truly hate this country. And if given power, they would doom us all. This coronavirus crisis is a prime example. Everything Trump did to save us, your viciouss party tried to stop. And the best you can do is slander him for doing the right thing.
Another clip, Laura Ingraham from last night, interviewing Dr Oz about promising cures. Then interviewing a recovering patient in a Florida hospital who was at death's door, literally about to die, until he was administered a Hydroxychloroquine new therapy that brought him back from the brink within a few hours, and incredibly now anticipates being released from the hospital in a day.
And then, while the nation is struggling for its life to pass emergency legislation, your vicious Bolshevik "Democrat-Socialist" party stonewalled a bill from being passed --TWICE!!-- to try and ram through some partisan legislation, holding the nation hostage to slip it past us and try to make the Republicans sign off on it, using the crisis to put a gun to their heads. Score another victory for the party of deceit and corruption. "Vive Le resistance!"
This will backfire bigtime on the Democrats in November. You've shown your true and heartless face to the voters.
Yeah, Moscow Mitch held votes before negotiations were still going on to get a talking point. No, democrats are not just going to rubber stamp big corporate bailouts without getting more for workers. We remember what happened the last time the country had to bailout companies and it’s just not going to be allowed to play out again.
And Trump spent most of the time up till now downplaying coronavirus. Glad he’s now taking it more seriously but a lot of people are going to die because of his inaction leading into this.
Yeah, Moscow Mitch held votes before negotiations were still going on to get a talking point.
God are you becoming a poisonous son of a bitch. Talk about pointlessly venomous lying false narratives.
Originally Posted By: M E M
No, democrats are not just going to rubber stamp big corporate bailouts without getting more for workers. We remember what happened the last time the country had to bailout companies and it’s just not going to be allowed to play out again.
Corporations, such as airlines, restaurants and real estate companies, that through no fault of their own were forced to shut down a thriving business overnight because of a national disaster. The bailout is not to rescue corporations, it is to rescue millions of jobs for middle class families that disappear overnight if those businesses collapse.
Originally Posted By: M E M
And Trump spent most of the time up till now downplaying coronavirus. Glad he’s now taking it more seriously but a lot of people are going to die because of his inaction leading into this.
As Laura Ingraham last night went into with quotes from the New York Times, Washington Post, and every broadcast news liberal network, as well the soundbyted rhetoric of House and Senate Democrats, NONE of these people were sounding the alarm and taking the crisis more seriously than Trump. Trump took serious action right from the jump, suspending flights from China on Jan 31, preventing 20,000 potentially infected people a day from entering the U.S. Trump rightly said that the annual flu kills more people thaan the previous H1N1/Swine Flu epidemic. Chinese travel to Italy and the rest of Europe is what sspread it there, and then to the U.S.
Trump rightly said that many previous outbreaks are halted by the hotter summer weather. Trump (like CDC and NIH experts) said that could happen, not that it actually would.
And ultimately, every decisive action by Trump has been railed on by Democrats as 'over-reaction" or "racist". So despite your lying narrative, you have a very up-hill battle trying to make a convincing argument that Democrats would have taken more action to stop the virus than Trump.
While an overwhelming 80% infected have only mild or moderate symptoms, or no symptoms, 20% have respiratory problems that require hospitalization. Where medical care is available, all but 1 to 2% of those recover. As seen in Italy, the rate of deaths vastly rises when hospitals are overwhelmed. I think Italy currently has about an 8% death rate. That's definitely something we want to avoid.
Something that hadn't occurred to me, that South Florida has a lot of residents and travelers from New York. Clearly the first outbreak cases in South Florida came from the Tri-county New York/New Jersey/Connecticut area, by airline passengers. The first was about 10 days ago (one of whom will be prosecuted for reckless endangerment, because he knew he has Covid-19 infection and still got on a plane to West Palm Beach). It was made clear early on that those who test positive and do not quarantine will be jailed. As of today there are about 100 Palm Beach County Covid-19 cases, out of a 1.5 million population.
To me the logical thing to do is shut down all flights to Palm Beach County and the rest of Florida out of the New York area, common sense. But as the above linked article makes clear, there are legal problems with implementing that. More improtant to me is enforcement of quarantine/isolation of known cases, and testing their contacts to weed out clusters of potential spread.
https://youtu.be/ifKbwDf51bA A short clip of Fox’s people like Ingraham & Hannity downplaying coronavirus and than their flip to taking it seriously. Shameful and also dangerous as Fox viewers according to polling mostly bought in and were slower in taking the threat seriously. Like Trump they played a role in downplaying a growing danger. I’m glad the likes of Hannity & Ingraham are now taking it seriously but have no idea how their viewers cope with the whiplash. Tucker Carlson it should be noted is an exception. Unlike the others Tucker took the threat seriously while the others didn’t.
As for the bailout for corporations WB, I don’t disagree that it’s not needed. The democrats however are going to also get more money and support for the workers too. Remember last time we did the bailouts?
https://youtu.be/ifKbwDf51bA A short clip of Fox’s people like Ingraham & Hannity downplaying coronavirus and than their flip to taking it seriously. Shameful and also dangerous as Fox viewers according to polling mostly bought in and were slower in taking the threat seriously. Like Trump they played a role in downplaying a growing danger. I’m glad the likes of Hannity & Ingraham are now taking it seriously but have no idea how their viewers cope with the whiplash. Tucker Carlson it should be noted is an exception. Unlike the others Tucker took the threat seriously while the others didn’t.
That clip you posted is so slice-and-diced as to wipe out any context in the Fox hosts quoted. Trish Regan in the opening clips (for other later on-air comments) was taken off the air a week ago.
Hannity, Ingraham and Tucker Carlson have all shown montages of liberal reporters downplaying the threat of Covid-19 until very recently, and then hypocritically bashing Trump and other conservatives for allegedly downplaying the virus in an irresponsible way. Watching Fox daily the last two months, I think it's fair to say they higlighted Covid-19 as potentially serious, but also held out the hope it would burn out quickly as so many virus outbreaks before have. And their optimism that it would reflected the rhetoric of CDC and NIH officials. The bottom line is, no one knew until mid February just how contageous Covid-19/Wuhan Flu is. China denied us information, and it was only when South Korea cooperated and shared research findings from their own outbreak with the CDC, and much later research from China after, that we began to learn about its severity.
I still say it's clear that Trump took this seriously early on, stopping travel from China, despite taking criticism for it as "over-reaction" and "racist" by the same people who are attempting to flip the table and accuse Trump and Fox of downplaying it. And I watch Fox News daily, whereas you just watch Media Matters slice-and-dice clips and hit pieces, for you to even know what Fox News says.
Without question, for all the Democrat smears, the truth is Trump has done a number of things to rally the fight against this virus in unprecedented ways, that no Democrat would ever do. As I've outlined repeatedly above. The people who accused Trump of "over-reacting" would absolutely not have defended us more. They would be like Angela Merkel who is resigning to it overwhelming her country.
By John J. Cohrssen & Henry I. Miller March 23, 2020
With the United States gradually ramping up testing for the coronavirus, there has been a sharp, expected increase in the number of cases of COVID-19 disease. The individuals tested will learn whether they are infected, but, paradoxically, the public—and public health officials—will not know whether the total results are encouraging or discouraging. This is because the rates of the coronavirus infectivity and mortality will remain poorly understood. And without such information, it is impossible to predict, accurately, the percentage of Americans who have been or are likely to become infected, and of those infected how many will be asymptomatic, have a relatively mild, flu-like disease, become critically ill, or die.
Also important, it will be hard to know when we can begin to reduce the restrictions on Americans’ activities.
New York Times investigative reporter James Glanz and his colleagues have reported that the driving force for growth in COVID-19 in the U.S are Americans with mild symptoms who are carrying and spreading the virus without being aware that they have it. Their March 20th article estimates the number of undetected cases at 11 times more than those officially reported, and Jane Qiu wrote on March 20th in the journal Nature, preliminary estimates of these covert cases suggest they might comprise 60 percent of all infections.
In February, the CDC considered various possible scenarios for how the outbreak would progress, based on characteristics of the virus, including crude estimates of infectiousness and severity of the illness. Its “worst case” was shocking, indeed, with the possibility of more than 200 million Americans infected, 2.4 million to 21 million potentially requiring hospitalization, and as many as 200, 000 to 1.7 million dying. This scenario was worse than the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which globally infected 500 million people (one-third of the world’s population) and killed at least 50 million people worldwide and 675,000 in the United States alone. The CDC’s worst-case scenario would crush the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds, with less than a tenth of those available for the critically ill.
Worst-case scenarios are, by definition, intended to depict extreme events before taking into account effective mitigation strategies, such as social distancing. But coronavirus testing of statistically appropriate population samples will be necessary for information essential to the management of the pandemic and offer critical information about important, disease-causing characteristics of this particular virus that are essential to formulating policies to control and predict the spread of COVID-19.
CRITICAL DATA FOR CRITICAL QUESTIONS
How many people of various ages, sex, ethnicities, and other demographic characteristics in the population became infected? How many remain asymptomatic, and how many have symptoms? Of those with symptoms, how many cases are mild, require hospitalization, or are fatal? How readily is it transmitted from person to person? How many people will an infected person subsequently infect? What is the length of the incubation period and the usual course of the disease? How long does post-infection immunity to infection persist?
These are all questions that epidemiologists and legislators cannot answer right now—and they are the questions that should inform what the next 4-12 weeks look like for Americans.
The coronavirus test kits currently available in the U.S. can provide only part of the puzzle. They detect only certain coronavirus genetic fragments (RNA). Thus, in trying to ascertain what proportion of the population has had any degree of infection (asymptomatic, mild, or more serious), such post-recovery testing will yield “false negatives” because the body clears these genetic fragments after recovery. That distorts our understanding of infection and case fatality rates because accurate calculation of rates requires a true denominator. And the absence of knowledge of those rates blurs our understanding of how successful mitigation measures have been.
Answers to the missing part of the puzzle will need to come from so-called “serological tests” that measure anti-coronavirus antibodies in the blood and reveal whether a person has been infected with the coronavirus and recovered. (Antibodies arise approximately 10-14 days after infection.)
Serological tests are currently being used in Singapore and China, and are under development by the CDC. Their availability and application to a statistically appropriate sample of Americans will provide essential data on how widespread and pervasive in the U.S. COVID-19 infections have been. Understanding the percentage of the population that has been infected—and, subsequently, developed antibodies to the virus—is a critical factor in determining the likely course of the epidemic and the best approaches to managing it.
The U.S. government has been slow and inept at developing and distributing coronavirus tests and obtaining timely test results, which has wasted valuable time and delayed effective disease prevention and treatment. The federal government should avoid further missteps by aggressively conducting population studies with both coronavirus testing and serological assays for antibodies. Only then will a better understanding of the epidemiological characteristics of COVID-19 enable us to slow its spread, and ultimately, know when we can begin to roll back painful restrictions on Americans’ daily lives.
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John J. Cohrssen is an attorney and statistician who served in senior positions for White House agencies including the Office of the Vice President.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology. You can find him online or on Twitter at @henryimiller.
I don't think anyone can accuse these writers of sugarcoating the situation.
Trump kept comparing it to the flu and according to reports dismissed intelligence warning him about the threat. Yes he cut travel to China but than for about 2 months played it down. And Fox was right there with him attacking the media and democrats for trying to hype the threat. I do acknowledge that for folks like yourself who think democrats are all praying for recession and more coronavirus will continue to be for whatever helps Trump. Facts no longer matter to you.
Trump kept comparing it to the flu and according to reports dismissed intelligence warning him about the threat. Yes he cut travel to China but than for about 2 months played it down. And Fox was right there with him attacking the media and democrats for trying to hype the threat. I do acknowledge that for folks like yourself who think democrats are all praying for recession and more coronavirus will continue to be for whatever helps Trump. Facts no longer matter to you.
So did many CDC and NIH officials and other medical experts, that it was very possible hot summer weather could make the virus stop replicating, as has occurred with previous new strains. And that in outbreaaks over the last 20 years, previous new viral strains have killed less people than the annual flu (numbers I cited in above posts). That remains factually and statistically true.
I don't see Fox hosts ever selling a Covid-19 threat ended by hot weather as a guarantee, but merely as a "let's hope so." Trump did not express any optimism that wasn't voiced by them first. And by pundits on CNN and MSNBC, and in the New York Times and Washington Post. As Ingraham, Hannity and Tucker have repeatedly shown, that Youtube deletes, and Google algorithms out of searches lists.
I put up a link to the clip of Hannity and Ingraham’s flip on their coronavirus coverage. Like Trump about a week ago it went from the media and Dems over hyping the threat to a recognition that it really was a threat. The only thing consistent is their partisan attacks at the media and democrats and an attempt to shelter Trump. Not sure why you’re talking like it was just about hot weather comments as that may have been part of the mix but not the only thing.
It’s still early but it does look like social distancing has helped slow down the spread here in MN. Hopefully that holds true for everyone and reduces hospitals being overwhelmed. We haven’t done the shelter in place yet but for what is shut down and people working from home that may not be needed.
I put up a link to the clip of Hannity and Ingraham’s flip on their coronavirus coverage. Like Trump about a week ago it went from the media and Dems over hyping the threat to a recognition that it really was a threat. The only thing consistent is their partisan attacks at the media and democrats and an attempt to shelter Trump. Not sure why you’re talking like it was just about hot weather comments as that may have been part of the mix but not the only thing.
And I pointed out that their clips are so chopped up you don't even hear a complete sentence from Hannity or Ingraham or Pirro. It's total demagoguery and propaganda that doesn't say anything clearly. And doesn't prove anything. Slice and dice.
I live in one of the 3 hardest hit counties in Florida, and to my frustration, no one of either party seems interested in doing a shelter in place, or even limiting only to essential services. Which means the number of cases is going to grow. The majority of cases emerged from airline travel into Florida, primarily from the New York tri-county area. If they really wanted to stop the increase, they would suspend all flights. It went from 2 cases to 104 in Palm Beach County in about 10 days. 17 of the cases in Boca Raton. About 33% of the hospitalized cases in the New York tri-state area are under the age of 45. So it's not just a disease killing the elderly with pre-existing conditions. Only 16,000 virus tests have been done in Florida so far, 744 in Palm Beach County. Statewide, about 9% of those tested are positive for Covid-19. The way to eliminate the continuing spread is to either shelter-in-place, or do massive testing. Neither party seems committed to doing either.
That article from the palm beach post is titled about democrats urging shelter in place in Florida. I sincerely hope your state isn’t overwhelmed WB but not doing a shelter in place almost makes it a certainty.
That article from the palm beach post is titled about democrats urging shelter in place in Florida. I sincerely hope your state isn’t overwhelmed WB but not doing a shelter in place almost makes it a certainty.
Governor Desantis is a Republican, yes, and Democrat legislators are urging him to give a shelter-in-place order, yes. The Palm Beach County officials are likewise sitting on their hands:
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While Boca Raton on Tuesday became the first city in the county to close all non-essential businesses, Palm Beach County commissioners were silent about their plans.
County Administrator Verdenia Baker did not respond to phone calls asking whether such a restriction, already in place in Broward and Miami-Dade counties, is being considered here. The county’s vice mayor, Robert Weinroth, said Monday the county was looking at it but was loathe to further impact county residents’ lives.
Party affiliation is not listed, but the likelihood is that black and Jewish officials are not Republicans. I side with Democrat legislators in wanting Desantis to order a shelter-in-place for the state. But it is not just Republican governor Desantis who is obstructing this from happening.
Thank you for the well-wishing.
In China,, the spread came from an annual festival in Wuhan that brought in 5 million visitors to a city of 11 million, and seeded spread to the rest of China and internationally. In northern Italy, there was a soccer game attended by 60,000 people, including tourists from China, where it spread from Italy to Germany, France, Spain and the rest of Europe. To my knowledge, there is not a similar event that would seed such a massive sudden spread in the U.S., but complacency could allow it to spread more rapidly. Actually, there is one I can think of: New Orleans. The Mardi-Gras celebrations brought in massive visitors to the city, that is now considered "the next epicenter" from where it can spread as these people return to other regions, in particular the major cities in next-door Texas. Common sense is anyone who attended Mardi-Gras should be tested or self-quarantined, to diminish that potential threat.
With New York, it was only the last few days that massive testing began that they bacame aware how widespread Covid-19 infection is. And I saw a news report quoting social media posts by N Y mayor DeBlasio as recently as early/mid March openly boasted about defying the outbreak and going to the theatre and other social events, and inviting other New Yorkers to do the same. So it isn't just Republicans or Fox news who have early on taken the outbreak lightly.
Regardless of party, I urge our elected leaders taking uniform simultaneous nation-wide maximum precautions to stamp out out a potentially deadly Covid-19 outbreak, before it has the ability to get any worse. We've already seen it ravage other whole nations, with 400-800 deaths a day. We don't want this to get any worse. I've already called and written e-mail letters to all these officials. And it disturbs me that even if Florida shelters-in-place, that other cities and states won't, and even when ordered won't comply. That will just prolong the outbreak for the entire nation. And endanger more lives.
My state just issued one that will go into effect tomorrow. Governor Walz made it clear that it wasn’t going to reduce the infection rate but that the data they have says it will prevent icu’s from being overwhelmed. Hopefully their data is accurate enough!
And for big events Florida is a big spring break destination. I have a lot of family that went to Florida for a week in the last month. One Aunt stupidly went just 2 weeks ago when common sense really should have kicked in.
My state just issued one that will go into effect tomorrow. Governor Walz made it clear that it wasn’t going to reduce the infection rate but that the data they have says it will prevent icu’s from being overwhelmed. Hopefully their data is accurate enough!
And for big events Florida is a big spring break destination. I have a lot of family that went to Florida for a week in the last month. One Aunt stupidly went just 2 weeks ago when common sense really should have kicked in.
It won't prevent those who are already infected. But it will stop transmission to more people from doubling or tripling the number infected.
I've called all the Florida officials I listed above, some repeatedly. The county commissioner's secretary let on to me that there's a lot of pressure to issue a shelter-at-home order, and that it will likely happen soon. They've already issued a lot more restrictions and closures since yesterday. Can you believe there were people golfing up until 5PM yesterday here? Up to the moment Desantis closed them.
A lengthy interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci of the NIH. A lot of new information.
Ironically, there was $75 million for NPR and PBS funding rammed into the Coronavirus emergency relief legislation. But as Sean Hannity cited in his program last night, NPR won't even broadcast Trump's daily Coronavirus task force press conferences, in their bias and hostility toward Trump! Even Rachel Maddow of MSNBC only fantasizes that broadcast news channels "should" deny coverage to Trump's coronavirus press conferences that allow him to connect with and inform the American people. But NPR actually does this. AND gets funded by emergency legislation, while censoring daily information from the task force press conferences while doing so.
This is another attempt to blame Trump, and as I'll demonstrate with quotes, later paragraphs in the article itself demonstrate that you can't just follow a textbook plan. The plan has to adapt to the situation. i.e., No battle plan survives the first day of actual combat. The plan has to adapt to new realities of the situation.
Originally Posted By: from the article
The 69-page document, obtained by Politico, lays out step-by-step responses to a pandemic, such as implementing directives on workplace safety and procurement of safety equipment.
Politico = offshoot of the Washington Post = blame-Trump/hate-Trump media, and constructing a narrative to fit that agenda.
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Under the NSC timeline, the Trump administration in late January should have begun issuing directives aimed at "coordination of workforce protection activities including ... [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment," according to the report. Such actions have only been recently implemented.
Ah. That would have been while the Democrats completely shut down all legislation for two months with phony Presidential impeachment House hearings and Senate impeachment, with no chance of success and no evidence, just to smear the president? Yeah, that gave Trump plenty of free time to mull all his options with an emerging pandemic. At that point China had still not revealed just how infectious this virus is. We found that out in February when South Korea shared their research with the CDC and NIH. That's when we found out just how virulent this new Covid-19 strain is.
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A request for congressional funding to combat the pandemic, the timeline further dictates, should have taken place a month before it happened. President Trump signed into law two bills responding to the coronavirus epidemic in March and is expected to sign a third aimed at providing an economic stimulus in the days ahead.
That is jaw-droppingly evasive of the fact that Democrats have acted as an obstuction to swift legislation, and that Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) flatout said this was a time to try and ram through Democrat ideological wish-list spending that had nothing to do with the Covid-19 crisis, such as funding abortion, sanctuary cities, and allowing same-day registration and voting that enables voter-fraud in favor of Democrats. Even when Trump aggressively pursued legislation to fight the Covid-19 pandemic, Democrats tried to shake him down and insert all these other Democrat projects, holding up the legislation. When a bipartisan deal was already negotiated, Pelosi came in and wrecked it, delaying legislation for roughly another week.
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An official with the NSC told Politico in a statement that the report had been replaced by newer policies taking into account lessons from the spread of Ebola in Africa.
“We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”
That's pretty clear confirmation that the plan couldn't be implemented as it was on paper, but had to be modified and adapted to new conditions as the Covid-19 crisis has unfolded. It is in polar opposition to the click-bait headline of the article itself.
Even if you accepted impeachment as a valid excuse not to prepare for coronavirus, Trump still didn’t do the things he should have been doing after impeachment . And when Trump did get around to requesting money from Congress, the democrats response was to wisely increase the asked for amount.
I think it’s valid that plans to need to adapt to changes but this isn’t what happened here. What was called for in the pandemic response plan wasn’t replaced with something better that I can tell. And doing things a month or more later is in no way a better response.
Starting at about 16 minutes into the show, Hannity runs clips of multiple liberal media news reports and Democrat politicians who downplayed and were completely dismissive of how serious Covid-19 really was. As many of these media anchors, pundits and elected leaders said, at the time it was positioned to be less of a threat in lives than the annual flu. In your eagerness to blame Trump, you should give these people equal judgement. The difference being, Trump set up a ban on travel from China on Jan 27, preventing spread to tens of thousands early on, as Dr Fauci of NIH has said repeatedly was "the single best strategic move" the U.S. has taken to contain this outbreak. And again, all these liberal critics said Trump was "a racist" and "over-reacting" when he made this move to protect the nation, making clear they would do far less to protect us that Trump immediately did.
Tucker Carlson last night also had clips in the early part of his show from mayor DeBlasio and the New York health department director speaking publicly encouraging people to go out into crowd events in the city and to interact with recently arrived tourists, precisely the two events that spread Covid-19 like wildfire throughout New York city. That anyone who acted to protect themselves and stay away from crowds was being racist. Those railing on Trump completely ignore this, of course.
I also still find it amazing that you and your party are so eager to falsely blame Trump, while simultaneously ignoring the clearl blame of China for hiding the outbreak and allowing it to spread to the entire world.
Incredibly, the New York Times and other liberal media actually praise China's handling of the outbreak, despite their deception, and the brutal treatment of people infected in Wuhan, including their treatment of the 9 doctors who first tried to warn the world of the new Coronavirus "Covid-19" strain.
Hannity gives a timeline of the outbreak, and the negligence of both the Chinese and their willing propagandists int he liberal media. They are doing China's bidding and selling China's talking points, in their contrived attempts to blame Trump and take the spotlight off those truly to blame, in the Chinese communist government.
Here Hannity gives a timeline of events in China leading up to the global outbreak, beginning on Dec 10, 2019. All the attempts by doctors to warn the public, suppressed by the Chinese government. The 9 doctors were arrested by Chinese police and forced to sign confessions they were "spreading rumors" to intimdate them into silence. On Jan 14 2020 they lied to the WHO and said there was no evidence it could be spread human-to-human (as opposed to animal-to-human).
I already answered that, in response to specific quotes from the article aabove.
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But it was partisan gobbildy gook. The truth is it would have been better if those things in the pandemic response plan were followed. Really what was the advantage of waiting? When this is over I do hope Trump gets every bit of credit for his leadership in this. And perhaps some of the smarter sheep feel some guilt for what they enabled.
I already answered that, in response to specific quotes from the article above.
But it was partisan gobbildy gook.
No, what I said was logical and specific. Despite your attempts to paint it otherwise. I even linked an article of supporting facts from USA Today, which is far from a right-leaning publication.
Originally Posted By: M E M
The truth is it would have been better if those things in the pandemic response plan were followed.
And you know this because... of your service in federal agencies and as an official in CDC and NIH, and as a presidential cabinet member?
Originally Posted By: M E M
Really what was the advantage of waiting? When this is over I do hope Trump gets every bit of credit for his leadership in this. And perhaps some of the smarter sheep feel some guilt for what they enabled.
The only thing done wrong in the U.S. was not having the tests available, which was out of Trump's control. That was delayed by bureucracy within the CDC. And in the last day, I've seen news stories that the tests used by European countries have not been as reliable as the ones the U.S. test kits are. Resulting in Italy and Spain having about 30% false positives, and even more dangerous, 30% false negatives, that prevented a huge swath of infected people from being isolated, and able to go out and infect even more people.
Tucker Carlson cites the medicines that are working to help Covid-19 patients.
Predictably, anything Trump expresses optimism about, the liberal media in knee-jerk fashion opposes and propagandizes against. Likewise Democrat Gov. Steve Sisolak, of Arizona.
I already answered that, in response to specific quotes from the article above.
But it was partisan gobbildy gook.
No, what I said was logical and specific. Despite your attempts to paint it otherwise. I even linked an article of supporting facts from USA Today, which is far from a right-leaning publication.
Originally Posted By: M E M
The truth is it would have been better if those things in the pandemic response plan were followed.
And you know this because... of your service in federal agencies and as an official in CDC and NIH, and as a presidential cabinet member?
Originally Posted By: M E M
Really what was the advantage of waiting? When this is over I do hope Trump gets every bit of credit for his leadership in this. And perhaps some of the smarter sheep feel some guilt for what they enabled.
The only thing done wrong in the U.S. was not having the tests available, which was out of Trump's control. That was delayed by bureucracy within the CDC. And in the last day, I've seen news stories that the tests used by European countries have not been as reliable as the ones the U.S. test kits are. Resulting in Italy and Spain having about 30% false positives, and even more dangerous, 30% false negatives, that prevented a huge swath of infected people from being isolated, and able to go out and infect even more people.
The below items should have been done much earlier. Instead we got Trump downplaying coronavirus and arguing that letting people off a cruise ship would increase the official numbers of infected up in the US. Quote: Under the NSC timeline, the Trump administration in late January should have begun issuing directives aimed at "coordination of workforce protection activities including ... [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment," according to the report. Such actions have only been recently implemented.
And WB Hannity is as partisan as you can get. And he also downplayed coronavirus right along with Trump. Hannity “I mean they're scaring the living hell out of people,” Hannity added. “And I see them again as like oh, okay, let's bludgeon Trump with this new hoax.”
I don't even understand what you think Trump could have done that he didn't. It's confirmed that Obama never replenished the supplies for an outbreak that were exhaused huring his presidency.
Trump has ramped up private companies to mass-produce masks, protective gowns, respirator/ventilators, and mass testing nationwide. I think the U.S. did 250,000 tests this week, and will soon be doing 1 million tests a week. I frankly don't think any president could have done a better job than Trump has been doing the last few weeks. Rallying and giving hope to the nation, massive wartime-level production, auxilliary hospitals built by the military to assist the other hospitals in New York and elsewhere, and mobilizing the private sector companies to assist in a war-production way.
All you and the Dems have is to say "Trump could have done more" and are cheering for his failure. Meanwhile, people are believing in Trump and not the Dems, as reflected in polls that show him at the highest level of his presidency, between 51% and 60%.
No I’m specifically pointing out that Trump failed to do some basic things... Quote: Under the NSC timeline, the Trump administration in late January should have begun issuing directives aimed at "coordination of workforce protection activities including ... [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment," according to the report. Such actions have only been recently implemented.
When he should have been doing that he downplayed the threat spewing out misinformation. I do recognize he got a slight bump in polling when he decided to stop downplaying coronavirus. I think everyone was glad to see that. However it’s still Trump muddling or downright misinforming his own administration’s information. I suspect that and hours of Trump praising himself while attacking governors begging for ventilators as hospitals get overwhelmed will not prove popular . He’s an evil shit bag.
No I’m specifically pointing out that Trump failed to do some basic things... Quote: Under the NSC timeline, the Trump administration in late January should have begun issuing directives aimed at "coordination of workforce protection activities including ... [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment," according to the report. Such actions have only been recently implemented.
When he should have been doing that he downplayed the threat spewing out misinformation. I do recognize he got a slight bump in polling when he decided to stop downplaying coronavirus. I think everyone was glad to see that. However it’s still Trump muddling or downright misinforming his own administration’s information. I suspect that and hours of Trump praising himself while attacking governors begging for ventilators as hospitals get overwhelmed will not prove popular . He’s an evil shit bag.
With all due respect, every last action Trump has taken to contain this virus has been obstructed by your party. Your party called Trump's decision "racist" and "over-reaction" when he suspended travel from China. Your party likewise resisted attempts to secure the southern border, for 3 years, and at present.
With the recent legislation to fight the virus and keep people at home with emergency payments of money to families so they are incentivized to be at home and not spread the virus, your party has attempted to ram through all kind of non-crisis-related liberal wet-dream spending and ideologically driven nonsense like funding for sanctuary cities, same-day voter registration and voting (enablingemocrat voter-fraud), public funding of abortion, Green New Deeal, on and on, in a cynical attempt to advance radicalism despite a dire pandemic crisis. And those cynical additions delayed legislation of money for fighting the virus, and money for poor families in dire need, another week.
So the credibility of your Bolshevik party alleging Trump is too slow, or that Trump hasn't taken this seriously enough, is absolutely worthless. If you want to see what Democrats would do if in power during this crisis, just look at what is occurring in Italy, Spain, Germany and France. Democrats in power would sit on their hands and make no attempt to restrict foreign travel from a disease-ridden China or Europe, and would have left us even less time to prepare.
Keep in mind that this Covid-19 strain was falsely assured by the Chinese to not be transferrable human-to-human as recently as Jan 14th. And the WHO issued false assurances to the world and didn't independently confirm this with their own doctors (China owns and heavily funds the WHO and most U.N. branch committees, buying their silence). The first case in the U.S. brought by a traveler from China was Jan 21. That's barely 2 months ago! Trump issued a halt of all travel from China on Jan 31, that Democrats are still propagandizing as racist (Chinese talking points that help deflect from China's responsibility for the avoidable outbreak, nice job liberal media comrades!) and not acknowledging as Dr Anthony Fauci said, that the travel ban was the single most important strategic move that protected the nation, prevented tens of thousands of infections, and gave the nation vital time to prepare.
Your attempt to find absurd new ways to pigeonhole blame onto Trump is truly loathesome. The news today reported that in Spain over 850 people died in a single day, in Italy over 900. In several European nations, people are dying so fast they can't even bury all the bodies.
This is a terrifying global situation, and your partisanship to the death, trying to personally blame Trump for things that are clearly not his fault, is just beyond the pale. You can't even give a specific of anything Trump has done wrong, just some vague one-sentence quotation of a policy document, that has no lucid specifics one can connect to anything.
No I’m specifically pointing out that Trump failed to do some basic things... Quote: Under the NSC timeline, the Trump administration in late January should have begun issuing directives aimed at "coordination of workforce protection activities including ... [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment," according to the report. Such actions have only been recently implemented.
When he should have been doing that he downplayed the threat spewing out misinformation. I do recognize he got a slight bump in polling when he decided to stop downplaying coronavirus. I think everyone was glad to see that. However it’s still Trump muddling or downright misinforming his own administration’s information. I suspect that and hours of Trump praising himself while attacking governors begging for ventilators as hospitals get overwhelmed will not prove popular . He’s an evil shit bag.
With all due respect, every last action Trump has taken to contain this virus has been obstructed by your party. Your party called Trump's decision "racist" and "over-reaction" when he suspended travel from China. Your party likewise resisted attempts to secure the southern border, for 3 years, and at present.
With the recent legislation to fight the virus and keep people at home with emergency payments of money to families so they are incentivized to be at home and not spread the virus, your party has attempted to ram through all kind of non-crisis-related liberal wet-dream spending and ideologically driven nonsense like funding for sanctuary cities, same-day voter registration and voting (enablingemocrat voter-fraud), public funding of abortion, Green New Deeal, on and on, in a cynical attempt to advance radicalism despite a dire pandemic crisis. And those cynical additions delayed legislation of money for fighting the virus, and money for poor families in dire need, another week.
So the credibility of your Bolshevik party alleging Trump is too slow, or that Trump hasn't taken this seriously enough, is absolutely worthless. If you want to see what Democrats would do if in power during this crisis, just look at what is occurring in Italy, Spain, Germany and France. Democrats in power would sit on their hands and make no attempt to restrict foreign travel from a disease-ridden China or Europe, and would have left us even less time to prepare.
Keep in mind that this Covid-19 strain was falsely assured by the Chinese to not be transferrable human-to-human as recently as Jan 14th. And the WHO issued false assurances to the world and didn't independently confirm this with their own doctors (China owns and heavily funds the WHO and most U.N. branch committees, buying their silence). The first case in the U.S. brought by a traveler from China was Jan 21. That's barely 2 months ago! Trump issued a halt of all travel from China on Jan 31, that Democrats are still propagandizing as racist (Chinese talking points that help deflect from China's responsibility for the avoidable outbreak, nice job liberal media comrades!) and not acknowledging as Dr Anthony Fauci said, that the travel ban was the single most important strategic move that protected the nation, prevented tens of thousands of infections, and gave the nation vital time to prepare.
Your attempt to find absurd new ways to pigeonhole blame onto Trump is truly loathesome. The news today reported that in Spain over 850 people died in a single day, in Italy over 900. In several European nations, people are dying so fast they can't even bury all the bodies.
This is a terrifying global situation, and your partisanship to the death, trying to personally blame Trump for things that are clearly not his fault, is just beyond the pale. You can't even give a specific of anything Trump has done wrong, just some vague one-sentence quotation of a policy document, that has no lucid specifics one can connect to anything.
Actually it’s more Trump’s inaction we’re talking about. As the pandemic plan points out Trump should have been doing several really important things months ago. Instead he downplayed the threat while attacking democrats and the media. And when he did ask for money for this, Pelosi’s response and the rest of the democrats was to greatly increase the amount. Trump hasn’t been obstructed in the way you accuse. He is and will continue to be held responsible for the 6 weeks he wasted while the virus was spreading.
Again, no specifics. Just blind hatred of Trump over nothing, and saying "Trump didn't follow written protocol."
Originally Posted By: WB
That is jaw-droppingly evasive of the fact that Democrats have acted as an obstuction to swift legislation, and that Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) flatout said this was a time to try and ram through Democrat ideological wish-list spending that had nothing to do with the Covid-19 crisis, such as funding abortion, sanctuary cities, and allowing same-day registration and voting that enables voter-fraud in favor of Democrats. Even when Trump aggressively pursued legislation to fight the Covid-19 pandemic, Democrats tried to shake him down and insert all these other Democrat projects, holding up the legislation. When a bipartisan deal was already negotiated, Pelosi came in and wrecked it, delaying legislation for roughly another week.
Why don't you take it up with USA Today, and the other mainstream liberal media who reported the facts exactly as I described them?
And I deconstructed your talking points about what Trump allegedly "downplayed" about a dozen times here. While he made a few off-the-cuff remarks, Dr Fauci, Dr. Birkx, the Surgeon General and other officials are out there every day with Trump, able to correct what Trump said, if he actually got any of the facts wrong. There is absolutely nothing you can point to and say there was a bad outcome because of something Trump said. I can point to statements by Democrats, Republicans, CNN, MSNBC, CNN, CDC and NIH officials and other pundit doctors over the last 3 months who at times sounded the alarm, and at others made off the cuff remarks that downplayed the crisis. And I've linked video clips of many of them. What you accuse Trump of, every one of these officials have done, definitely including your side. It was true when they were said that the annual flu kills more people annually than any previous outbreak has. That might in the end still be true, time will tell. The last major 2009-2010 outbreak infected 60 million people, hospitalized 350,000 and killed about 12,000.
You are being a really petty and vicious partisan, M E M, straining like hell to damage a president you don't like, on facts not in evidence.
The missing six weeks: how Trump failed... This gives a nice rundown WB. And blind hatred would be those that see the other side as praying for recession and pandemic. And trying to portray an opinion piece by a conservative from USA Today as something more than that isn’t really being honest. McConnell wasted time by not letting democrats in at the beginning. It would have been like Pelosi not working with the WH to craft the first deal. Mitch also held votes he knew would fail as negotiations were still going on. The conservative opinion column left out many things for a one sided narrative. Democrats fought for expanded unemployment benefits and other things that will be very important to those without a job and the $1,200 long gone.
From the article a sample of Trump being a shit bag.... “ On 24 February, Trump claimed “the coronavirus is very much under control in the USA”. The next day, Nancy Messonnier, the CDC’s top official on respiratory diseases, took the radically different approach of telling the truth, warning the American people that “disruption to everyday life might be severe”.
Trump was reportedly so angered by the comment and its impact on share prices that he shouted down the phone at Messonnier’s boss, the secretary of health and human services, Alex Azar.”
And your petty efforts, M E M. You desperately cling to any manufactured narrative to damage Trump, despite the evidence that no other president would have made the vigorous, well-organized and undaunted effort to contain the outbreak that Trump has. I distrust any paper that has spent three continuous years churning out every half-baked lying disproven narrative they could to try and damage Trump. This is just the latest attempt by the Guardian (and the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and Politico, Media Matters, CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg News, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS and NPR) to try and partisanly manufacture a lying narrative to destroy Trump.
In the previous impeachment effort in January (while Democrats should have been helping Trump prepare for the Covid-19 outbreak): 100% negative coverage of Trump. 96% positive coverage of the Democrats. What laughingly passes for journalism and "objective news".
Sajadi, the professor who found the temperature similarities, acknowledged epidemics are influenced by numerous factors but hypothesized that countries with cooler weather might be worse affected by the coronavirus, noting that even southern parts of countries with big outbreaks, like Italy and Iran, have not been hit as badly.
But, Cowling [epidemiologist, Hong Kong University] said, higher temperatures are unlikely to fully stop the continued spread of the virus. "I don't think we can count on it stopping in the summer. It may slow down, but it won't be stopped," he said. "At this rate, we would expect every country in the world to have cases in about nine months — we're headed towards that now. "
Clinton was not praying for recession or coronavirus. She made a snarky remark about Trump. Don’t know where Krugman comes in either. Maher is the only one I see as saying he was hoping for a recession. I don’t think he wished for the pandemic though. You justifying such a gross and evil generalization about the other side really shows your blind hatred and partisanship. You can’t even hold Trump accountable for what he does and says but democrats are all held responsible for what Bill Maher says?
Clinton was not praying for recession or coronavirus. She made a snarky remark about Trump. Don’t know where Krugman comes in either. Maher is the only one I see as saying he was hoping for a recession. I don’t think he wished for the pandemic though. You justifying such a gross and evil generalization about the other side really shows your blind hatred and partisanship. You can’t even hold Trump accountable for what he does and says but democrats are all held responsible for what Bill Maher says?
With all due respect, you're a fucking liar. Hillary's remarks are plain as day. And there has been plenty of backlash already by many others who read and know exactly what she was saying.
The party that hates America on full display, who callously regards all U.S. citizens as disposable pawns, to advance their lying Cultural Marxist narrative and seize power, stepping over the bodies of the people they pretend to be fighting for and care about.
Democrats have oficcialy become the Bolshevik party.
It’s always funny when all due respect is uttered when you honestly don’t have any respect outside of party loyalty. Not surprised by someone who sees the other side as praying for recession and a pandemic because Bill Maher said he hoped there was a recession. I will continue holding Trump responsible for his inaction and his lies. The country deserves better leadership.
“The president, his denial at the beginning, was deadly,“ she said, saying the federal government is still lagging when it comes to getting testing kits and medical equipment to where they are needed.
“His delaying of getting equipment to where — it continues — his delay in getting equipment to where it's needed is deadly. And now I think the best thing would be to do is to prevent more loss of life, rather than open things up,“ she told Tapper.
Pelosi cited the need for “testing, testing, testing” as the key step going forward.
“This is such a tragedy. We don’t even know the magnitude of it because we don’t have adequate testing,” she said.
“ The California Democrat said that she was still troubled by the president’s rhetoric and what she perceived as a lack of perspective on his part.
“The other day, when he was signing the bill, he said, just think, 20 days ago, everything was great. No, everything wasn't great. We had nearly 500 cases and 17 deaths already. And in that 20 days, because we weren't prepared, we now have 2,000 deaths and 100,000 cases,” she said.”
Asked and answered, M E M. You can't present any credible evidence beyond two-faced Democrat quotes and liberal media lying narrative, because no evidence exists that Trump did anything wrong.
It's disgusting what you and your party are trying to do, amid a pandemic crisis that is deadly serious.
You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste. It’s an opportunity to do things that you would otherwise avoid.” So said former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who was President Obama’s chief of staff and an astute practitioner of smashmouth politics. It’s worth remembering this as the Democrats and their media do everything they can to hype the dangers of the Wuhan coronavirus. Not that it isn’t deadly serious. It is. People are contracting it and dying all over the world, and it has cratered the U.S. economy.
But here are three items you won’t hear much about: Only a handful of children in China have contracted the virus. Factories are reopening and hospitals are closing in Wuhan, where the virus was centered. And in South Korea, the epidemic appears to be leveling off amid mass testing, with the fatality rate for deaths from infections less than 1 percent.
The Wuhan virus, re-dubbed COVID-19 by the World Health Organization, was first identified in December. The Communist government covered it up at first, quarantined the city and then confined 60 million people before the virus began leveling off in March.
Now, Communist China’s Internet trolls are accusing anyone who uses the term “Wuhan virus” or “Chinese virus” as xenophobic. A Chinese military portal is claiming that the virus is a biochemical weapon developed by the United States to target China. The Communist Party is spreading the idea that the virus was brought over to China by U.S. military personnel in October.
This is reminiscent of when the Soviet Union spread the rumor that the CIA had created the AIDS virus.
The Wuhan label has been around since the story broke, as documented by the Media Research Center, which compiled a montage of dozens of journalists using the phrase. On Thursday, Joe Biden accused President Trump and anyone else who calls it the Wuhan virus as “xenophobic.” Pretty soon, Joe will accuse people of being anti-ornithology for using the term “bird flu.”
The first case of Wuhan coronavirus in the United States was reported on Jan. 21, and the Trump administration issued a mandatory 14-day quarantine for anyone coming into the country from China’s Hubei province. On Jan. 31, the Trump administration announced tighter travel restrictions. [Suspending all travel from China.]
That same day, Mr. Biden told a crowd in Iowa: “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia — hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.” A few days later, he railed against “reactionary travel bans,” saying they would worsen the problem. No one in the press corps seemed curious as to how letting in fewer infected people would worsen an epidemic.
Conversely, in their Feb. 4 letter to HHS Secretary Alex M. Azar II, Reps. Nita Lowey, New York Democrat, and Rose L. DeLauro, Connecticut Democrat, praised the administration for declaring a “public health emergency” and requested more funds for several activities, including “mandatory quarantine of travelers” and “enhanced screening at ports of entry.” What a couple of xenophobes.
Other Democrats, however, followed Mr. Biden’s lead and unloaded on Mr. Trump. Rep. Eliot L. Engel (New York) called travel bans imposed by the United States and other countries, “racist and discriminatory.”
On March 5, Sen. Bernie Sanders took to the pages of USA Today to accuse Mr. Trump of being “incompetent, political and reckless.” Unlike himself, a mild-mannered communist.
No matter what Mr. Trump does, he will be accused of 1) reacting recklessly; 2) reacting too slowly; 3) being racist; 4) ignoring medical advice; and 4) treating the health crisis as a partisan issue.
The left has two good reasons to gin up hysteria. They think they’ve finally found a silver bullet to take down President Trump, and they have an opportunity to create permanent government expansion through emergency legislation.
The same kind of folks who concocted the 2,000-page Obamacare legislation behind closed doors will slip Democratic socialist wish-list items into any emergency legislation.
One of them is mandatory paid leave, which might sound good in an emergency, but could become a permanent dictate to businesses with 15 or more employees. Pro-business groups have opposed it for years as a job-killing measure. Crisis, meet opportunity.
Any delay in ramming through the legislation will afford Democrats a chance to do what they do best — accuse opponents of lacking compassion. And racism. Always, racism.
Sometimes, you’re deemed awful even if you’ve uttered nothing offensive.
On Thursday, The Washington Post ran a five-column photo and feature article about first lady Melania Trump addressing the National PTA Legislative Conference about online bullying. “Be best not to mention it?” was the snarky headline. The writer complained that Mrs. Trump had discussed her topic without referencing the coronavirus. The runover page headline was: “First lady’s talking points don’t include covid-19.”
Could you imagine The Post giving Michelle Obama the same treatment?
If Mrs. Trump had said anything about the virus, they would have seized on it and ripped her up one side and down the other. She can’t win. It’s all part of mining the crisis for political gold, which may well turn out to be fool’s gold before this is over.
It already has proven fool's gold for Democrats, as a Gallup poll now shows Trump (despite the lying narrative of Democrats and their allied propagandists in the liberal media) at 60% approval for his handling of the pandemic crisis.
Meaanwhile, Joseph Biden has trouble remembering what day it is. And Andrew Cuomo postures and makes up fake numbers of what he needs. There certainly is not someone else on the Democrat side who could have led the country anywhere near as well as Trump has through this crisis.
We all know where the Democrats get their political narrative tactics from:
Quote:
Members and front organizations must continually embarass, discredit and degrade our critics. When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist or nazi or anti-semitic... The association will, after enough repetition, become "fact" in the public mind. --Moscow Central Committee, 1943
The evil bastards in your party think that if they repeat a lie enough, the public will through sheer repetition begin to believe the lie is true.
From March 10 Trump attacks the media for over hyping coronavirus. Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”
He tweeted this at a time he should have been warning the country and preparing for a pandemic that contrary to his earlier claims was not under control.
From March 10 Trump attacks the media for over hyping coronavirus. Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”
He tweeted this at a time he should have been warning the country and preparing for a pandemic that contrary to his earlier claims was not under control.
You seem unable to separate between 1) the fact that there is a Coronavirus pandemic threat, and 2) the malicious politicization of the actual Coronavirus threat by Dems and the liberal media into fake demagoguery against Trump.
I frankly think you're being a real jerk (and your party) in your obsession with demonizing Trump with every half-baked rationalization you can manufacture, even as the president is doing his very best to lead, to calm fears, and save the country. Literally, I worry there could be a U.S. economic collapse, or even a global economic collapse, that results either during or after this pendemic. It's disgusting that you want to undermine confidence in the president under these conditions, and really for no logical reason.
You are literally fronting the untrue and deliberately destructive talking points of the Russians and the Chinese.
If you want to blame Trump, do it with the facts in retrospect if he is not successful (if that actually happens), after the crisis has passed. It's another case of the Democrats eager to deliberately hurt vulnerable Americaans, or even destroy the country itself, if it will give them power.
He tweeted this at a time he should have been warning the country and preparing for a pandemic that contrary to his earlier claims was not under control.
I could provide many more examples, from other Democrats, to Joe Scarbourough and puppet Mika, to Upchuck Todd, to many other Democrats. Democrats and the liberal media have dowmplayed Covid-19. In fairness, they should be held to the same standard as Trump. But in defense of both, on Jan 14, China and the WHO were still assuring the world that Covid-19 was not transmissible "human to human". Only on Jan 21st did the U.S. have its first reported case. Only after that did China admit there was a widespread outbreak and a lockdown in Wuhan.
Trump became aware and immediately suspended travel from China on Jan 31st. And many other nations followed his lead.
Only on Feb 26 did symptomatic cases erupt in South Korea, Italy, and Iran. So really, it's only been about 4 weeks now that a global outbreak has become a reality, for Trump to even react to. On CNN, MSNBC, Fox, along with Democrat and Republican leaders, we were being assured this was all under control, and while it could change, up till then past outbreaks were always surpassed by annual flu hospitalizations and deaths.
Well, things have changed. On Fox News, I always heard reports that this could erupt into a problem, but a hope that it would not affect us, as so many past outbreaks have not.
You could also look to past epidemics and see that Obama depleted the CDC and NIH medical reserves without replenishing them. It your really want to look for someone who is to blame. Or mayor Deblasio and his health director in the above video clip, who did the exact opposite of protecting New Yorkers, actually encouraged people to endanger themselves, shaming them as racist if they did not go out and embrace their Covid-19-infected visitors from China and vastly accelerate its spread throughout New York City, and from there the entire United States.
I think you’re the one actually guilty of what you’re generalizing a whole party of doing. And of course Trump has lead the way. Attacking democrats and the media early on for overhyping the threat of coronavirus. Blaming Obama of course. Not even able to rise beyond his pettiness to allow any democrats for the signing of the bipartisan aid bill. Of course you want only praise for the shit bag but it’s out of partisanship not patriotism. You’re posts betray you.
The Arizona woman who said that she and her 68-year-old husband ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks after hearing President Donald Trump tout chloroquine as a cure for the coronavirus has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the last two years.
The woman's most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has vocally criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House.
Although local and national media outlets withheld the couple's names, the Washington Free Beacon established their identities through descriptions in local news reports, where the pair were identified by their first names and ages: Gary, 68, and Wanda, 61. The Free Beacon is withholding their identities at Wanda's request.
Federal Election Commission records show that Wanda has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic electoral groups and candidates over the past two years, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and EMILY's List, a group that aims to elect pro-choice female candidates.
Wanda told the Free Beacon that she and her husband were both Democrats, not Trump supporters.
You could laugh, if someone hadn't died from this stupidity. It's like consuming sodium chloride when you don't have sodium bicarbonate handy. Two completely different chemicals.
I find it a really odd disconnect, the dichotomy that this rabid liberal couple despises and distrusts Trump and donates to all these Democrat/liberal causes in opposition to Trump, donating thousands of dollars in just the last 2 years... and then experiments with some chemical on Trump's alleged say-so?
One not mentioned, that they think Covid-19 affected a higher ratio of men in China than women, is that about 50% of men in China are smokers. Smoking is also very prevalent among men in Italy.
A bit of levity, Newt Gingrich was being interviewed a few days ago on Fox & Friends morning show. Asking Gingrich's opinion of Trump's proposal to re-open the economy by Easter (April 12th), Gingrich responded "Well, it has been a historically good date for resurection..."
As of yesterday (Sunday), Trump in agreement with the advice of his Coronavirus task force doctors has pushed the stay-at-home order to April 30th.
Your selective outrage never ceases to amaze me, M E M.
You still won't even admit that the FBI, DOJ and FISA court were weaponized against Trump to try and prevent his election in Nov 2016, or that it has continued to be weaponized for 3 years to try and remove him as president.
Or that the Democrats implemented a phony impeachment for purely political reasonss, that distracted Trump at precisely the time Covid-19 cases were beginning to occur in the U.S.
Or that Democrats have obstructed and delayed legislation so they could corruptly try to pack emergency legislation with Democrat wish list items like abortion, voter registration changes, and other absurdities. (Rahm Emmanuel's scheme, to "Never let a crisis go to waste", and sneak in all kinds of corrupt abuses under the veil cover of an urgent crisis.) No outrage on your part for the deprivation of millions of families desperate for their next paycheck, delayed a week or even more by Democrat greed. A deal was on the table, then Pelosi came in and wrecked it. Delaying relief legislation at least another week.
That you have no outrage over.
I could easily see Trump's resistance to oversight being to prevent further delays and politicization by the Democrat leadership. My hatred for the Democrats at this point truly knows no bounds.
While my county and the rest of South Florida were part of a partial state shutdown, I'm glad Governor Desantis has finally done the right thing. I was calling all my state and county leaders pushing for this a week ago.
I'm aware that not everything in print is necessarily true, but here is what was said by the same paper yesterday:
The title is a bit click-baity, and it doesn't fully lay down the facts beyond "experts say" and a weaselly "critics say", "sources say". It could just be partisan fearmongering, but I'm concerned that when a disease doubles every 3 days for an additional 7 to 10 days, that could mean a lot more cases that could have been prevented.
Your selective outrage never ceases to amaze me, M E M.
You still won't even admit that the FBI, DOJ and FISA court were weaponized against Trump to try and prevent his election in Nov 2016, or that it has continued to be weaponized for 3 years to try and remove him as president.
Or that the Democrats implemented a phony impeachment for purely political reasonss, that distracted Trump at precisely the time Covid-19 cases were beginning to occur in the U.S.
Or that Democrats have obstructed and delayed legislation so they could corruptly try to pack emergency legislation with Democrat wish list items like abortion, voter registration changes, and other absurdities. (Rahm Emmanuel's scheme, to "Never let a crisis go to waste", and sneak in all kinds of corrupt abuses under the veil cover of an urgent crisis.) No outrage on your part for the deprivation of millions of families desperate for their next paycheck, delayed a week or even more by Democrat greed. A deal was on the table, then Pelosi came in and wrecked it. Delaying relief legislation at least another week.
That you have no outrage over.
I could easily see Trump's resistance to oversight being to prevent further delays and politicization by the Democrat leadership. My hatred for the Democrats at this point truly knows no bounds.
It goes without saying there are folks like yourself who enabled a corrupt president And will continue to do so but when I spoke of both sides I meant for those that understand that this isn’t Trump’s money to do with what he chooses. I know how he runs charities so it would be foolish to not have oversight on it. Don’t care what your excuse is I do know you would be screaming bloody murder if a democrat tried a signing statement like that. Oversight isn’t just for one party and in the long run it doesn’t even serve republicans in the long run here. It certainly doesn’t serve the national interests.
I’m glad your state has followed suit in the shelter at home fight WB. It would have been more helpful to have all the states do so earlier together. This stuff is so much more contagious than regular flu so having just some shelter in place just isn’t enough.
On Monday, when Trump tweeted that the coronavirus was not as perilous as the flu, he said, “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
Two days later, Anthony Fauci, head of infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health and a member of Trump’s task force on the outbreak, said the coronavirus was far more deadly.
It goes without saying there are folks like yourself who enabled a corrupt president And will continue to do so but when I spoke of both sides I meant for those that understand that this isn’t Trump’s money to do with what he chooses. I know how he runs charities so it would be foolish to not have oversight on it. Don’t care what your excuse is I do know you would be screaming bloody murder if a democrat tried a signing statement like that. Oversight isn’t just for one party and in the long run it doesn’t even serve republicans in the long run here. It certainly doesn’t serve the national interests.
And by "enabled", you mean: Didn't buy into the lying Democrat narrative.
Your side lied about the "evidence" for impeachment, covered and tried to bury investigation of FBI and FISA court corruption, tried to bury and cover up Obama and Hillary corruption, despite a clear money trail leading right back to them.
I'm all for oversight, but I don't see any evidence beyond wild speculation, in your party's desperation to create yet another lying narrative about Trump. To replace the multiple lying narratives from your party and their collaborators in the Newspeak media tht have been thoroughly disproven.
I’m glad your state has followed suit in the shelter at home fight WB. It would have been more helpful to have all the states do so earlier together. This stuff is so much more contagious than regular flu so having just some shelter in place just isn’t enough.
That much we can also agree on. That an effective containment of the Covid-19 outbreak has to be a uniform policy across all 50 states. Half-measures just guarantee there will continue to be breakout pockets that will be a problem later. Florida for example. Where in less than two weeks, it has gone from the first few cases, to 100-200 cases a week ago, to 7,000 cases now.
I've noticed two things that make the virus explode with huge clusters of new cases: 1) A huge social festival, like the one involving about 11 million people in Wuhan, China, where a mass number of people were exposed, and then travelled back to other parts of China and the world, spreading the virus. Similarly, some of those infected attended a soccer game in a stadium of 60,000 people in Northern Italy. Then a huge Chinatown festival in New York City. And more recently, an explosive new outbreak of cases after the Mardi Gras festival in New Orleans. The two key things that escalated the outbreak in Florida were out-of-state travellers, mostly from New York, and huge crowds of spring breakers in the bars and beaches.
and 2) spread by travellers from infected regions, that seed a small cluster of new cases, until a crowd event allows that pocket to explode. I read that in South Korea where they aggressively test, one woman refused to be tested, and then attended a church event, and they think that this one woman spread the virus to 1,000 people in South Korea. Just because she refused testing and self-isolation, one person.
Florida finally got with the plan, there are 16 other states that have not issued a uniform "shelter-in-place" order.
On Monday, when Trump tweeted that the coronavirus was not as perilous as the flu, he said, “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”
Two days later, Anthony Fauci, head of infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health and a member of Trump’s task force on the outbreak, said the coronavirus was far more deadly.
As I said prior, any number of Democrat politicians, CNN and MSNBC anchors and guests, and even CDC and other doctors interviewed have made similar comments. And it is factually true that in past viral outbreaks, they have ultimately killed less people than the annual flu.
Also keep in mind that until early February, we didn't know just how contagious Covid-19 was. China and WHO lied to the world and said int was not contagious "human to human" until Jan 21, when cases began occurring outside of China. And it really wasn't until South Korea shared their findings in February how easily Covid-19 was contagiously spread, that further preventive measures were known to be necessary. It was about a week later that the country began moving toward lockdown on Monday, March 9th, anout 3 weeks ago.
China has known since Dec 1st about the severity of this virus, but wasn't honest with the rest of the world until January 27th. And even then, it was only after an outbreak in South Korea a month later that the level of contagion was fully known, when South Korea shared reseach with us that China could have, but did not.
I notice a continuous pattern, that you rail on Trump as personally responsible every day, but never acknowledge the obvious blame that rests on China for unleashing this on the world, by their initial, and continuing, lack of disclosure. This could all have been prevented.
I expect my president to be better than China in trying to protect us. Shame that you don’t. And Trump should have been briefed on this. He was downplaying it even after I knew better. I complained about a couple of times in this thread that people at work were just echoing what he said.
I expect my president to be better than China in trying to protect us. Shame that you don’t.
Fuck you, M E M, you're such a frigging liar.
I certainly care about a president and other leaders protecting us. And if you were honest, you would admit that Trump has done a far better job of protecting us that ANY DEMOCRAT would have, and I think any milquetoast Republican like McCain or Romney or Marco Rubio as president. Trump has had the guts to do the right thing on multiple occasions that no other president would have:
* securing the Southern border, halting illegal immigration.
* the travel ban on China Jan 31st, very early on, that even his advisors pushed against him doing.
* The further later suspension of flights from Europe.
* A hardball trade war with China for the last year, that had already driven a lot of U.S. manufacturing out of China and back to the U.S. and other countries, so that we were far less reliant on Chinese exports at the time this Covid-19 flu crisis began.
* Trump rallied private industry to do testing locally at centers nationwide. Like no sociaalist Democrat would, entrusting the private sector.
* And Trump got companies nationwide to mass-produce masks, ventilators and other needed medical supplies for emergency rooms nationwide. Like no Democrat would have done.
* And Trump has pushed like no Democrat would to give government checks to the lowest-wage and hardest-hit workers, while the piece-of-shit Democrats delayed and extorted every unrelated spending add-on they could for unrelated liberal wet-dream spending programs (green new deal, sanctuary cities, funding for NPR and PBS, museums and the arts, same day voting and registration that enables Democrat election fraud, etc.), only some of which were weeded out in the final legislation. That shows exactly how cynical and negligent Democrats are of the crisis.
DON'T EVEN TRY to pretend that Democrats care more about people or are not viciously corrupt and self-serving. Or that Dems would have done all the things Trump did in advance to protect us.
If Hillary were president, we'd have cases in the millions and our hospitals would be overwhelmed. I've already linked evidence to show the Democrat Bolsheviks who would have left the southern border wide open, and allowed 20,000 Chinese travellers a day to continue flowing into our airports, that would have increased the body count exponentially if Dems were in power. And Democrats cynically put millions of Americans at risk by holding up relief legislation to extort partisan spending add-ons for unrelated programs. And undermining Trump with exactly the lying talking points narratives you are fronting now, in complete denial of the true facts. I shit on the integrity of your party.
Originally Posted By: M E M
[Trump} was downplaying it even after I knew better. I complained about a couple of times in this thread that people at work were just echoing what he said.
Trump implemented a travel ban Jan 31st, while Democrats like Pelosi, Deblasio and his health commissioner and Andrew Cuomo were still encouraging people to go about their normal lives, go to crowd events, and ultimately get infected. As were the New York Times and Washington Post. Hannity pretty much nightly cites the articles and video clips proving this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eedSj9j6Qj0
You hold an incredible double-standard in your lying narrative, as you ignore the comments of Democrat leaders and the liberal media who said Trump was a racist and an alarmist "over-reacting" with the precautions he took as president. I'm so sick of your lying narrative, that I've disproven repeadtedly, and you still keep spitting up the same lying talking points.
The only mistake has been not having testing kits to do advance mass testing as South Korea did (from what I can see, the only country with a large population that has handled this epidemic as well as it could be handled.) And as I've cited repeatedly, that was an internal error in the CDC where they selected a kit that didn't work, and was their responsibility, not Trump's. In the absence of available mass-testing, if Trump had taken the only other option and done a 50-state "shelter at home order" around Feb 20th or 24th (as finally happened in Italy, Germany, France, Spain and the U.K., you would have again accused Trump of "over-reacting", even though that is exactly what needed to be done.
The only other error is that while the China flights were susppended Jan 31st, foreign travellers found a way around it by flying to Seattle, L.A., and New York by indirect flights from other countries than China. Chinese travellers from Wuhan who couldn't fly into the U.S. instead went to Italy, Germany France and Spain. In retrospect, there could have been a 14-day quarantine on all international visitors to the U.S.
But ultimately, you ignore the enormous contribution to sreading the Covid-19 paandemic by Democrat leaders and the liberal media, and their attempts to obstruct Trump from protecting us. It is laughable to suggest that these Democrats would have protected us more than Trump has. Quit being such a liar talking-points robot.
It’s not lying WB and in my opinion it’s not good to try to prop up and cover up bad leadership decisions. And a Trump supporter calling everyone else a liar except for Trump is normally hilarious but now bodies are starting to stack up.
It’s not lying WB and in my opinion it’s not good to try to prop up and cover up bad leadership decisions. And a Trump supporter calling everyone else a liar except for Trump is normally hilarious but now bodies are starting to stack up.
It is lying on your part, and that of the liberal media. I posted a factcheck a few pages back and detailed the lying context of how liberal "factcheck" sites manipulate the true facts. They project the image of being objectively neutral factcheckers, but Factcheck (part of the Washington Post), and Politifact (part of the Tampa Tribune) are administered by rabidly liberal newspapers.
Most of what Trump is accused of "lying" about is actually true. Such as the fact that previous virus outbreaks have killed less people than the annual flu season virus in any given year. In the context that is possibly not true this time, Trump was saying the same thing as CDC and other medical officials, the same as doctors appearing on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and what the news anchors have said on all those networks.
Look again at the link in my last post. Sean Hannity shows clips of the verifiable complacency of CNN, MSNBC, Deblasio Pelosi, Andrew Cuomo, Washington Post and New York Times. Sources that are on the record not only failing to warn people, but actually encouraged them to go to crowd events and get sick. And actually accused Trump of being "racist" and "over-reacting" for the preventive measures he put in place, clearly far more warning and prevention than his Democrat and media critics (as if there were a separation between the two) would have done if they were in Trump's place.
So, again, you're a fucking liar. And you don't hold your own party to the same standard for their demonsteable lies, that you hold Trump to.
Did Trump perform flawlessly? No, he didn't. Like anyone else he made a ffew mistakes. And in retrospect, I'm sure there are things he would have done differently. But as I laid out in MULTIPLE, MANY previous posts, he did a lot right, and demonstrably/provably a ton more to protect us than any of these piece of shit Democrats and liberal media writers would have, who called him a "racist" and "over-reacting" to do what he did.
Securing the southern border. The travel ban. The trade war that lessened our dependency on China.
Those three actions alone prevented us from being over-run with cases in the millions already. Actions the piece-of-shit Democrats would never have taken.
You can feel the Trump-hate from the opening paragraphs.
While a number of these are spun as deliberately misleading when the actual facts were unknown at the time, or spun to be misleading beyond what Trump actually said, the article at least clarifies deeper in what the true facts are.
Taking the points one at a time:
1) That U.S. citizens could still return to the U.S. (once tested) is something anyone could clarify with the U.S. embassy in any nation or U.S. officials. There's a limit to how much information Trump could provide in a brief 10-minute Oval Office address to the nation. I would check the details of what Trump said, or any president, in the print media over the 24 hours after such an address, to clarify the details of that brief overview. It's unrealistic to expect every nuance explained in a 10-minute speech.
2) Trump's explanation of the death rate being far lower is pretty much the same as I've seen from Dr. Anthony Fauci, or Dr. Marc Siegel or others. It's presented here as Trump being absolultely wrong, downplaying, and deliberately mistating the facts, but I've seen that same opinion of what is characterized as Trump's "hunch" by many interviewed medical experts.
3) Trump saying that the Coronavirus will die down once summer hits is also not wrong, every previous major coronavirus strain and major outbreak of the last 20 years has followed a siimilar sharp decline, so again Trump is not lying or deliberately misleading. While the article clarifies that it's possible it won't decline, Trump is not wrong in saying it's a good possibility. I wish he'd emphasized that's a possibility and not an absolute that it will sharply decline come summer, and press the public that it's still very contagious and to act with an abundance of caution to prevent its spread.
4) The lack of ready widespread test kits is the biggest failure, yes. But again, this is not Trump's personal fault, it was an error by the medical staff at CDC in selecting a kit that didn't work, and then had to scramble for a replacement when it didn't. So Trump, like Pence and Dr. Fauci have all given assurances that the tests would be available, based on what they were told by others in CDC. Trump made an obvious gaffe beyond that of Pence and Fauci when he said they were already distributed and anyone could get a test immediately, and not expected in days. But certainly, no one who watches the news doesn't know that they are still laboring to distribute test kits nationwide, despite kits not being ready when the CDC themselves were promised they would be.
5) Regarding "the flu is worse", it's a fact that previous outbreaks have all been surpassed by flu deaths. As I cited above, the 2009-2010 previous coronavirus "Swine Flu/H1N1" infected 57 million people and killed 12,000. And that the flu in that same year killed far more. And that the flu in most years kills "between 27,000 and 77,000". While it is spun as a Trump lie, it is absolutely true that numerically the annual flu kills more than this and previous coronavirus strains. Currently Wuhan virus has killed about 4,900 and infected 137,000 worldwide. As compared to (in the U.S. alone) 35 million infected by regular flu, and 30,000 deaths in 2018, the most recent statistical year.
While Wuhan flu is believed to have a higher death rate of roughly 1 or possibly 2% death rate, vs. 0.1% for regular flu, the finer details in even this article explain there are possibly hundreds of thousands of mild unreported Wuhan cases that would vastly lower the Wuhan virus death ratio if counted.
6) regarding "a vaccine is coming soon", anyone who watches the news knows that most medical experts anticipate a vaccine is about 12 to 18 months away, and not an option for this season. Even vaccine corporation owners who say they are fast-tracking a vaccine say if it were ready in a month, an unprecedentedly fast vaccine to produce and distribute would be at least 6 months away. One I saw said they have a much faster track because they have already developed vaccine for similar strains of Coronavirus, that will vastly speed up a Wuhan virus vaccine. So again, Trump is not necessarily wrong.
7) The Trump administration had proposed cuts to CDC and NIH pandemic preparation, but in few cases had anything been implemented. Trump has across the board looked for fiscal cuts to every area of the Federal budget. Like every part of the budget, Trump wants to eliminate waste and duplication in CDC. I've seen this fronted by Democrats over the last few weeks, despite that Trump had not cut anything vital. More money doesn't necessarily mean better spent money.
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An OMB spokesman said that the CDC cuts in the budget request did not affect infectious disease, and said Trump's request included a total of $4.3 billion in funds for Infectious Diseases and Preparedness, in funds that deal with the flu, opioids, and global health security. “The $4.3 billion funds all of the CDC programs that focus on infectious disease and emergency preparedness activities," they said.
"This figure reflects that the Administration is prioritizing funding for infectious disease and emergency preparedness efforts at CDC, compared to non-infectious activities, like studying the health and safety risks of infrequent bathroom breaks for taxi drivers,"
Democrats and the liberal media mislead to allege Trump proposed slashing pandemic response and preparation. Trump's OMB defends the cuts as not coming from outbreak prevention.
Heavy in my mind through all this is how the media has jumped on every scandal unleashed on Trump for 4 years now, and how the media has visibly gotten it wrong over and over and over in their vindictive zeal to bring down Trump. And coverage of the outbreak is just the latest extenson of that.
While Trump has made errors, certainly in this crisis as well, he is held to a standard that no other president of my lifetime is held to. Except for W. Bush, there has been no comparative open bias and hatred of a president by the media. The similar errors by Obama got a complete free pass by the same media.
I think this is the treatment any future Republican president can expect from the media. This is not unique to Trump, but to any Republican who dares to be elected going forward. The same poisonous attacks of "racism" or "stole the election" are now extended to more local elections like Tracy Abrams or Andrew Gillum, or last night Alexanda Ocasio-Cortez (interviewed for the first time on Fox) alleging that Bernie Sanders lost in Michigan because of election fraud. Despite that all the elected officials controlling in Michigan are Democrats.
An informative look at how the virus works, and the various emerging treatments for Covid-19, particularly Hydroxychloroquine in combination with Zinc and Azithromycin.
Gee, why don't I trust a CNN "factcheck"? The same CNN that did a factcheck of an SNL skit to fly cover for Obama.
DNCNN.
Yup, pedophiles, bank robbers and other criminals tend to get negative coverage. You love your fucking liar WB but news media isn’t supposed to just shut it’s eyes and just do pro-Trump propaganda. I watched Trump actually be the fucking liar you tried to accuse me off... Trump the fucking liar
Donald Trump is quantifiably the most accomplisshed president in over 50 years. And your partisan hatred and burning need to slander and destroy him by any vicious means, speaks of your lack of character, not his.
Your piece of shit party of Democrat Bolsheviks have proven over and over that they will say and do anything, any personal slander, any unnamed source, any collaboration with Ukraine and Russian intelligence (Perkins-Coie law group/Glenn Simpson/Fusion GPS/Christopher Steele), any abuse of federal power against their political enemies (FBI/DOJ, and Lois Lerner, and Koskinin at IRS), there is absolutely no one your vicious party of sociopaths won't destroy to gain power.
And they would destroy the country itself, because in their minds the United States is an evil racist place with a shameful history, that doesn't deserve to exist in the first place, and they fantasize about turning us into another Soviet Union, or Cuba or Nicaragua or China. Bernie Sanders has praised all these countries, while trashing the United States, and even displayed a Soviet flag in his mayor's office for 10 years in the 1980's. Barack and Michelle Obama are open cultural marxists (and have never been called on it by the complicit far-left media). Likewwise the Clintons, cultural marxists who actively protested the Vietnam war against their own country, even when Bill Clinton was in a foreign country as a Rhodes scholar and draft evader. Treasonous enemies of the United States, who damaged the country from within during their time in public office.
Facts I've cited over and over, that you refuse to process, as you lap up the blatantly untrue propaganda fed to you by the liberal media.
I’m explicitly pointing out Trump lying. The last link literally shows him attacking a Fox reporter that dared to bring up the fact that the pandemic team was cut under Trump. Here it is again... Trump lies to dodge question from Fox on pandemic team
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Trump Lies About Cutting White House Pandemic Team to Dodge (Checks Notes) Fox News
... “You have talked about the failings of the Obama administration, in leaving you with empty shelves and no plans,” Roberts began, uncritically repeating Trump’s false claims that he bears no responsibility for the poor state of the national stockpile of medical equipment he has overseen for three years. “They have said you got rid of the pandemic office in the National Security Council –” he added, before being cut off by Trump.
“We didn’t do that. That turned out to be a false story,” Trump claimed, falsely. “What are you, working for CNN?” the president asked sarcastically. ...
Trump tells lies like this so regularly that they no longer stand out except for when it’s FOX news that gets attacked. And despite Trump’s repeatedly lying about it, the pandemic team was cut under his “leadership “. You really have no issue with a fucking liar WB. But hey I hear your boy is number one on Facebook.
I’m explicitly pointing out Trump lying. The last link literally shows him attacking a Fox reporter that dared to bring up the fact that the pandemic team was cut under Trump. Here it is again... Trump lies to dodge question from Fox on pandemic team
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Trump Lies About Cutting White House Pandemic Team to Dodge (Checks Notes) Fox News
... “You have talked about the failings of the Obama administration, in leaving you with empty shelves and no plans,” Roberts began, uncritically repeating Trump’s false claims that he bears no responsibility for the poor state of the national stockpile of medical equipment he has overseen for three years. “They have said you got rid of the pandemic office in the National Security Council –” he added, before being cut off by Trump.
“We didn’t do that. That turned out to be a false story,” Trump claimed, falsely. “What are you, working for CNN?” the president asked sarcastically. ...
Trump tells lies like this so regularly that they no longer stand out except for when it’s FOX news that gets attacked. And despite Trump’s repeatedly lying about it, the pandemic team was cut under his “leadership “. You really have no issue with a fucking liar WB. But hey I hear your boy is number one on Facebook.
Thank you for once again proving you're a fucking liar, who will desperately cling to any slanderous lying narrative that attacks Trump, to feed your insatiable and irrational partisan hatred. I don't really even need to respond at this point, I've factually disproven your lying narrative so many times already.
If you had reading comprehension skills, you would have read what I sourced at the top of this page. Here it is again, though you seem immune to facts, as you cling to the lies spoon-fed to you by liberal propaganda sites. Regardless, the "Trump fired the CDC's pandemic response team" is a clearly false narrative. Among the other vicious lies your Democrat Bolshevik party fronts, eagerly spreading the propaganda disinformation of the Russian and Chinese governments:
Originally Posted By: WB
7) The Trump administration had proposed cuts to CDC and NIH pandemic preparation, but in few cases had anything been implemented. Trump has across the board looked for fiscal cuts to every area of the Federal budget. Like every part of the budget, Trump wants to eliminate waste and duplication in CDC. I've seen this fronted by Democrats over the last few weeks, despite that Trump had not cut anything vital. More money doesn't necessarily mean better spent money.
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An OMB spokesman said that the CDC cuts in the budget request did not affect infectious disease, and said Trump's request included a total of $4.3 billion in funds for Infectious Diseases and Preparedness, in funds that deal with the flu, opioids, and global health security. “The $4.3 billion funds all of the CDC programs that focus on infectious disease and emergency preparedness activities," they said.
"This figure reflects that the Administration is prioritizing funding for infectious disease and emergency preparedness efforts at CDC, compared to non-infectious activities, like studying the health and safety risks of infrequent bathroom breaks for taxi drivers,"
Democrats and the liberal media mislead to allege Trump proposed slashing pandemic response and preparation. Trump's OMB defends the cuts as not coming from outbreak prevention.
Heavy in my mind through all this is how the media has jumped on every scandal unleashed on Trump for 4 years now, and how the media has visibly gotten it wrong over and over and over in their vindictive zeal to bring down Trump. And coverage of the outbreak is just the latest extenson of that.
While Trump has made errors, certainly in this crisis as well, he is held to a standard that no other president of my lifetime is held to. Except for W. Bush, there has been no comparative open bias and hatred of a president by the media. The similar errors by Obama got a complete free pass by the same media.
I think this is the treatment any future Republican president can expect from the media. This is not unique to Trump, but to any Republican who dares to be elected going forward. The same poisonous attacks of "racism" or "stole the election" are now extended to more local elections like Tracy Abrams or Andrew Gillum, or last night Alexanda Ocasio-Cortez (interviewed for the first time on Fox) alleging that Bernie Sanders lost in Michigan because of election fraud. Despite that all the elected officials controlling in Michigan are Democrats.
“They have said you got rid of the pandemic office in the National Security Council –” he added, before being cut off by Trump.
That of course isn’t the same thing as what you’re trying to say about budget cuts to the cdc that Trump did propose but were not enacted. The pandemic office was gotten rid of under Trump though.
People seem to have forgotten something. Do you all remember this thing called Obamacare? I’m sure you do. Do you remember the medical device tax that Obamacare instituted? Like all liberals, Obama believed that people that make things will pay anything. You put a tax on ’em, they’ll just keep paying the tax and they’ll just keep making the device. You put a tax on yachts, and people will pay the tax.
No, they don’t. They go someplace where the tax doesn’t exist to get their yacht built. Barack Obama’s Obamacare tax on medical devices drove a lot of manufacturing for masks and other products overseas. That’s why it’s made overseas. It’s not because there’s something inherently wrong with American capitalism. It’s because it was Obamacare. Obamacare had to come up with ways to pay for its rotten self. And one of the ways it raised taxes was on medical devices. Hell, even certain things at beauty parlors were called medical devices. Remember that? I forget the specific elements. Not false eyelashes or stuff, but it was a ridiculous list of things that qualified as medical devices, all so the Obamacare tax could be collected.
Well, guess what? The people that manufacture medical devices fled the USA, and they went overseas to various places to get ’em made. One of the places they went was China. They also went to Mexico. They went to places in Europe. And now people complain about a shortage. They want to chalk it up to somehow a fault or a deficiency of capitalism or of the United States. No siree, Bob. It was a by-product of a tax increase called Obamacare on medical devices.
I can tell you from working in the medical device field that like every other industry, most of it was farmed out to other countries before Obama got into office. I will admit it’s a good political strategy for the gop to try to shift any blame they can. With Trump though I question if the usual tactics will work. We have a pandemic and a leader that didn’t take it seriously to begin with nor will accept any responsibility. Getting Jared on stage to talk about the federal stockpile as theirs and not the states is more of the same.
I can tell you from working in the medical device field that like every other industry, most of it was farmed out to other countries before Obama got into office. I will admit it’s a good political strategy for the gop to try to shift any blame they can. With Trump though I question if the usual tactics will work. We have a pandemic and a leader that didn’t take it seriously to begin with nor will accept any responsibility. Getting Jared on stage to talk about the federal stockpile as theirs and not the states is more of the same.
I think a national shelter at home order should have been done already too. With lack of testing and how contagious this appears to be it’s just foolish at this point to think this hasn’t or won’t spread to areas that appear to have few covid cases.
I think a national shelter at home order should have been done already too. With lack of testing and how contagious this appears to be it’s just foolish at this point to think this hasn’t or won’t spread to areas that appear to have few covid cases.
What section of the Constitution or Statute allows the federal government to issue a national shelter in place order?
I think it would have been a good idea to really push the states to all issue one g if Trump doesn’t have the authority. Again it’s sort of like having a peeing section in a swimming pool. But not only is he not pushing the states that haven’t issued shelter in place orders he’s defended them.
I can tell you from working in the medical device field that like every other industry, most of it was farmed out to other countries before Obama got into office. I will admit it’s a good political strategy for the gop to try to shift any blame they can. With Trump though I question if the usual tactics will work. We have a pandemic and a leader that didn’t take it seriously to begin with nor will accept any responsibility. Getting Jared on stage to talk about the federal stockpile as theirs and not the states is more of the same.
Because you have such a fair and neutral opinion of President Trump, and always gave a balanced evaluation of his efforts before criticizing him. Quite the opposite, you just kneejerk out a diatribe to whatever he does, and this is just a continuation from RussiaRussiaRussia to the Mueller investigation, to whistleblower Eric Ciaramella/Ukraine to impeachment, to now the Covid-19 pandemic. This is just the latest thing to slander Trump on.
AGAIN: I see absolutely no evidence that any Democrat would have done a better job as president. Obama depleted the CDC reserves of equipment for a pandemic, and then did not restore the reserves to be ready for the next pandemic, and here we are. Biden just admitted yesterday that Trump did the right thing on Jan 31st banning travel from China. After railing on Trump for 2 months as over-reacting and being a racist/xenophobe.
Despite warnings in New York state for years of a shortage of ventilators and emergency equipment, Gov. Andrew Cuomo didn't fund pandemic preparedness, and is now catching up and blaming Trump for his own inaction toward medical preparedness.
The governors of Washington state and California seem to be doing a much better job of containing and shortening the outbreak in their states.
You can always slander Trump after the crisis, but geez, give the guy a chance before you pull out the long knives.
Somebody that can generalize about the other side in such vile and vicious ways really are not in a position to credibly judge. And the shit bag has his knife out attacking the media and democrats so don’t even bother trying that BS.
Btw anybody actually disagree with me about all states having a shelter in place orders?
I think it would have been a good idea to really push the states to all issue one g if Trump doesn’t have the authority. Again it’s sort of like having a peeing section in a swimming pool. But not only is he not pushing the states that haven’t issued shelter in place orders he’s defended them.
I'm also in favor of a unified national shelter-at-home order. I think the daily press conferences of the Coronavirus task force are finally getting all states to comply. I think it was influential on Desantis finally doing a statewide shelter order, 11 days too late in my opinion.
I think there are only 5 states at this point that have not (North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, and Arkansas) The first two have mostly rural populations of less than aa million people, Nebraska 2 million, Iowa 4 million, Arkansa 3 million. While I think it's a good idea to shelter at home, these are places that might not have the same potential as urban areas to spread infection.
Here's a lengthy article from the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel detailing the preparation for the pandemic, with lessons learned from the New York outbreak, and assessing Florida's readiness. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/...4exe-story.html
The delay in testing ability is deeply frustrating. To me it's eaither 1) do a lot of testing as South Korea did, with which you're able to find the clusters of infected people and quarantine them, while keeping the rest of the country open, or 2) in the absence of testing, you don't know who's infected, so you shelter-at-home the whole population early on to stop the spread. Gov Desantis did neither, and here we are. We'll just have to wait and see how bad the damage is. He issued a shelter-at-home April 2nd, so it will be 2 weeks until those infected before that show symptoms and we know how extensive the infections are in Florida. This article makes clear what the anticipated hospitalizations and ventilators are expected to be. I hope that's an over-estimate, but we won't know for a while. They're talking about a peak in "early May". That's well past April 30th.
Somebody that can generalize about the other side in such vile and vicious ways really are not in a position to credibly judge. And the shit bag has his knife out attacking the media and democrats so don’t even bother trying that BS.
Btw anybody actually disagree with me about all states having a shelter in place orders?
"Shit bag"... the end of logical discussion, and revealing who is truly "vile and vicious".
I don't just sweepingly namecall as you do, I've cited dozens of examples to back up what I've said, making clear the Democrats' factless lying narratives, slander, demagoguery and corruption.
Trump has been President for over 3 years and didn’t replenish anything either. He also doesn’t have to deal with an opposition party that is shutting the government down to supposedly address the deficit. Looking back I used to believe your party wanted that but now I really think it was about trying to slow down economic growth and win back the WH. Cuomo is actually being a leader btw. He’s not spending hours praising himself or having a parade of toadies praise him. He’s actually following the science and data. You don’t get confused by what he’s saying and what the experts are saying. And he’s not doing partisan attacks while calling for an end to partisan attacks like shitbag has now done a couple of times. History is not going to be kind to Trump because so much of it has been on camera.
And assholes who disregard the stay-at-home order could cause another spike. I plan to stay at home at least a week or two past the end of the requirement, to insure that I and the people I love are not part of a second surge.
But until there is a vaccine, or some other treatment that prevents hospitalization and the high number of deaths, this thing will still remain a threat that is with us a long time. A vaccine is still estimated to be about 15 months away (in a miraculous fast-track, maybe 9 to 12 months away). I'm hoping hydroxychloroquine and blood-serum from recovered patients can offer more recoveries and greater "herd immunity" before a vaccine is available. The emerging 5-minute test for exposure can show that many unknowingly had mild or symptomless cases and can return to work, and provide serum to immunize many others.
The liberal media has waged a fear-porn propaganda campaign against Hydroxychloroquine in the last two weeks since Trump has offered it at his daily briefings as a possible treatment for Covid-19.
If Trump supports it, the media does its damnedest to prevent it being used, and protray it as "unproven" and "dangerous". Desp[ite that it is a medication that has been used to treat Malaria and Lupus since 1944, and has long been FDA approved. How "dangerous" could it be? One doctor, Dr. Daniel Wallace, the most prominent Lupus specialist in the country, who has prescribed thousands of patients hydroxychloroquine, says that in 42 years of prescribing it, [b]no patient[b] has ever had complications or been hospitalized for a severe reaction to hyrdroxychloroquine, at most a slight skin rash.
More recently, a doctor used hydroxychloroquine on 1,000 Covid-19 patients, and of them 993 made a complete recovery, only 7 died, who had too many other complicating conditions to recover. That's a pretty large sample study right there, of almost 100% ratio of recovery.
In 40 countries, 3,300 doctors were asked what their preferred treatment for Covid-19 was, and it was overwhelmingly hydroxychloroquine, sometimes in combination with zinc (which inhibits reproduction of the virus), and Azithromax (or Z-pack) antibiotic to eliminate complicating bacterial infections. Again, a very strong international consensus.
But Gov Andrew Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine in New York, so that if a paatient wants this treatment, they cannot get a prescription from their family physician, but have to visit a hospital to receive it. Which is causing an unnecessary surgee of visits to local hospitals. Last I heard, Gov. Cuomo was considering a change to this suppression, but had not made a decision yet. As I've already cited, many patients have been at death's door, and attribute hydroxychloroquine to their recovery, and describe the difficulty and resistance my Democrat leaders and the medical community to getting the medication, until they demanded it. A thousand people a day are dying of Covid-19, but because Trump is for hydroxychloroquine that can save them, they are against it. Thousands more could live, but for their politically driven interference.
After repeatedly mocking President Trump for suggesting on March 19 that hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment for coronavirus, media organizations have begun acknowledging that the drug -- now approved for emergency use to treat coronavirus by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) -- may be useful after all.
Journalists and top Democrats have beaten a similarly hasty retreat from their previous claims that Trump's ban on travel from China was both xenophobic and ineffective. But media outlets' misinformation on hydroxychloroquine was unique because it involved not simply policy disagreements but also suggestive medical advice and directives that could have dissuaded some from seeking certain treatments.
"Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study," The New York Times reported this week, adding: "A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed."
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, went from threatening doctors who prescribed the drug with "administrative action" to requesting that the federal government ship her state some. Other state leaders have followed suit, including Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak, also a Democrat.
And, an international poll of thousands of doctors rated hydroxychloroquine the “most effective therapy” for coronavirus.
It wasn't always considered acceptable to use that kind of optimistic rhetoric, however.
"Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times," read a March 20 "analysis" by CNN's Stephen Collinson. Saying Trump was "adopting the audacity of false hope" and embracing "premature optimism," Collinson charged that "there's no doubt he overhyped the immediate prospects for the drug" because the FDA had not provided an explicit timeline on approving the drug to treat coronavirus.
In fact, at the March 19 White House briefing, Trump had remarked: "Now, a drug called chloroquine, and some people would add to it, hydroxychloroquine, so chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine ... [has] shown very encouraging, very, very encouraging early results." The president acknowledged that the drug may not "go as planned" and that more testing was needed, but that "we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately."
Nevertheless, the media onslaught continued. "Trump is giving people false hope of coronavirus cures. It’s all snake oil," read one Washington Post headline. Added the Post's editorial board: "Trump is spreading false hope for a virus cure -- and that’s not the only damage."
"The most promising answer to the pandemic will be a vaccine, and researchers are racing to develop one," the paper insisted, although it is not staffed with medical experts. "Mr. Trump’s inappropriate hype has already led to hoarding of hydroxychloroquine and diverted supplies from people with other maladies who need it. His comments are raising false hopes. Rather than roll the dice on an unproven therapy, let’s deposit our trust in the scientists."
USA Today's editorial board was similarly aggressive and mocking, writing, "Coronavirus treatment: Dr. Donald Trump peddles snake oil and false hope."
"There are no approved therapies or drugs to treat COVID-19 yet, but the president hypes preliminary chloroquine trials at White House briefing and unproven remedies on Twitter," the paper wrote, just days before the FDA would approve the drug.
Communications strategist Drew Holden flagged these and numerous other examples of media misinformation on the matter in a lengthy Twitter thread.
Salon, Holden noted, called Trump's hope in the new treatment his "most dangerous flim-flam: False hope and quack advice."
The New Yorker pondered "The Meaning of Donald Trump’s Coronavirus Quackery," observing that Trump's "pronouncements are a reminder, if one was needed, of his scorn for rigorous science, even amid the worst pandemic to hit the U.S. in a century."
Michael Cohen, a Boston Globe columnist, urged networks to stop airing Trump's coronavirus press briefings because he was spreading "misinformation" about a potential cure.
And, NBC News complained, "Trump, promoting unproven drug treatments, insults NBC reporter at coronavirus briefing."
The New York Times' Kurt Eichenwald reported that a "Louisiana MD" on the "front lines of the COVID-19 fight" had told him that "Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work" and that "amateurs who dont [sic] understand research" were driving up demand for the drug. ("Count me skeptical of your source here, Kurt," Holden wrote.)
Vox mocked Trump's "new favorite treatment" for the drug, and said the evidence is "lacking" that it works.
Meanwhile, it has emerged that the Arizona woman who said she and her husband drank fish-tank cleaner to ward off coronavirus has donated heavily to Democrats and acknowledges she's not a Trump supporter -- despite news reports that she ingested the dangerous drug because she trusted what she thought was the president's advice.
The 61-year-old woman, whose first name is Wanda but has asked for her full identity to be withheld, survived the ordeal. Her 68-year-old husband, Gary, did not. Wanda has said that she and her husband each took a "teaspoon" of the fish-tank cleaner; medical toxicology results and a police investigation were pending.
"I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner.
On March 19, Trump had touted anecdotal evidence that the antimalarial drug chloroquine could be used as a treatment for coronavirus during a White House briefing, calling it a possible "game-changer." In fact, the Food and Drug Administration has approved the drug on an emergency basis, even though various media reports had mocked Trump's suggestion.
However, the woman and her husband ingested the additive chloroquine phosphate, which has been used in aquariums to kill microscopic organisms that might harm fish and other aquatic animals.
Several media organizations that confused the chloroquine medication with chloroquine phosphate used in aquariums later issued corrections. Some have not, however, and continue to incorrectly insist that chloroquine phosphate as used in aquariums could treat coronavirus.
Nevertheless, Wanda drew national attention by claiming that Trump had suggested she consume the fish-tank cleaner with her husband, and that she did so to avoid "getting sick."
"My advice is don’t believe anything that the president says and his people because they don’t know what they’re talking about," Wanda told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard. Federal Election Commission (FEC) records reviewed by The Washington Free Beacon revealed numerous other recipients of Wanda's cash, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the pro-choice EMILY's List.
Additionally, Fox News has reviewed a Facebook page apparently belonging to Wanda, which was first identified by the Twitter user Techno Fog.
"Your psycho prez is in [t]own, are you going to see him?" Wanda wrote on Facebook on Feb. 19, by way of wishing a friend a happy birthday. Trump was in town at a rally in Phoenix, Ariz., on that day.
Wanda has not replied to multiple requests for comment by Fox News. She deleted her Facebook page after Fox News attempted to contact her there.
A quick Google-search shows the entire mainstream media still propagandizing against hydroxychloroquine. New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, Axios, HuffPost, L A Times, you name it. If Trump is for it, they have to discredit it. Even if it literally costs 1,000 lives a day.
The people the Left pretend to care about are just cannon fodder to advance their lying narrative to slander and discredit Trump. What are a few thousand lives in pursuit of that goal?
Every New Yorker needs to know that Gov. “all talk no action” Andrew Cuomo has failed to deliver for the people of his state during the crisis created by the coronavirus pandemic.
While the Democratic governor continues to blame President Trump for a ventilator shortage in New York, a state Health Department report warned Cuomo all the way back in 2015 about this exact problem.
On Page 30 the Health Department report on ventilator allocation guidelines states: “during a severe influenza pandemic, there is likely to be a projected shortfall of ventilators (-15,783) during peak week demand.”
But that’s not all. At the beginning of that report the New York State Health Commissioner, Dr. Howard Zucker wrote: “Dear New Yorkers, Protecting the health and well-being of New Yorkers is a core objective of the Department of Health. During flu season, we are reminded that pandemic influenza is a foreseeable threat, one that we cannot ignore. In light of this possibility, the Department is taking steps to prepare for a pandemic and to limit the loss of life and other negative consequences. “An influenza pandemic would affect all New Yorkers, and we have a responsibility to plan now. Part of the planning process is to develop guidance on how to ethically allocate limited resources (i.e., ventilators) during a severe influenza pandemic while saving the most lives.
“As part of our emergency preparedness efforts, the Department, together with the New York State Task Force on Life and the Law, is releasing the 2015 Ventilator Allocation Guidelines, which provide an ethical, clinical, and legal framework to assist health care providers and the general public in the event of a severe influenza pandemic…” Where was the response from the governor? Where was the sense of urgency after such an explicit warning?
Gov. Cuomo refused to act. He did not listen. He bought zero ventilators. The cost to purchase the needed ventilators was only 0.4 percent of the 2015-2016 state budget. Instead of buying life-saving ventilators, Cuomo wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on failed projects, like $750 million on a failed solar panel factory, $90 million on a partnership with a California light bulb company that went nowhere, and $600 million on a computer chip factory that went bust.
I saw this picture today and couldn’t believe what I was seeing.
[ Image of Cuomo at daily press conference, saying: "Remember, we ordered 17,000 ventilators." ]
Wow. This was almost the exact number the New York Health Department report predicted would be needed. And it gets worse, because now Cuomo is actually thanking and praising the Chinese government! Look at this tweet: Cuomo is thanking the Chinese government that lied to the entire world about the coronavirus from the start.
Cuomo is “all talk no action” because he loves to show up for photo ops at various emergency hospitals that the federal government constructed, like the Javits Center and the 1,000-bed U.S. Navy hospital ship Comfort [both of which Trump provided to New York, not Cuomo].
All New Yorkers need to know that President Trump is the one who sent the USNS Comfort to New York Harbor. All New Yorkers need to know that it was the Army Corp of Engineers that built the 3,000-bed hospital at the Javits Center and the other hospitals throughout the state. And all New Yorkers need to know that it was President Trump who gave Cuomo over 4,400 ventilators. By the way, Cuomo ended up putting those ventilators sent by the president into a warehouse!
Frankly, New Yorkers deserve better. They deserve better than to have a governor continue to put petty politics above real solutions.
I thought Cuomo was “pro-choice. But because of an executive order he issued, any new prescriptions of potentially life-saving drugs for patients suffering from COVID-19 – the disease caused by the coronavirus – such as hydroxychloroquine must be dispensed through the already overrun hospital system.
This is a disaster and Cuomo has no one to blame but himself. He should stop putting up dangerous barriers when lives are at stake.
To those who criticize me, I say this: I am a New Yorker. My family lives here. There are thousands of new cases on Long Island where I live. I have friends fighting for their lives in hospitals right now. After reading the New York Health Department report from 2015 I am furious. Everything the report predicted five years ago is happening today.
What we have witnessed from the governor is a dereliction of duty. On Jan. 24, he said the risk to New Yorkers was low. On Feb. 7, he claimed that “catching the flu right now is a much greater risk than anything that has anything to do with coronavirus.”
The fact is, Cuomo has been wrong over and over again.
I wouldn't post this, except Gov. Cuomo has repeatedly tried to blame Trump for not supplying his state with the supplies that are requested (not necessarily actually needed) to prepare for the maximum number of hospitalizations projected to be needed in a worst-case scenario (which are, by the way, turning out in reality to be way below predicted numbers).
While simultaneously Gov., Cuomo gives no mention, none, to his own complete lack of preparation for such an inevitable crisis, as in the prior cases in the last few years of Sars in 2003, H1N1/Swine Flu in 2009, and MERS in 2014. As well as the fact that New York City is the most desired place for a terrorist/biological/nuclear attack, as the report makes clear was needed to be in preparation for, that Cuomo ignored and deflected to spending onto other ideological/liberal tax expenditures, and then Gov. Cuomo blamed Trump for Cuomo's own lack of preparation.
But if Trump responds to these attacks, he is accused of "politicizing" the Covid-19 crisis, instead of simply responding in self defense to partisan attacks, where Cuomo and others have lyingly engaged in politicization to deflect from their own failures.
As has the Chinese Communist government, whose lying talking points Democrats and their propagandist brethren in the media are repeating.
The Chinese, by the way, have threatened to deprive the U.S. of medicine and vital medical equipment, and plunge the U.S. into a "mighty sea of coronavirus". This is who the Dems and liberal media are siding with. Against the United States.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus," Trump tweeted on January 24, "The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"
China could have prevented 95 per cent of coronavirus infections if its measures to contain the outbreak had begun three weeks earlier, research from the University of Southampton suggests. However, China only took vigorous action in late January – weeks after police silenced a doctor for trying to raise the alarm.
First detected in Hubei, more than 146,000 people globally have now been infected with Covid-19, whilst over 5,500 have died from the SARS-like disease.
The study published this week by population mapping group WorldPop measured the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical interventions. The researchers examined how China isolated ill persons, quarantined exposed individuals, conducted contract tracing, restricted travel, closed schools and workplaces, and cancelled mass gatherings.
The analysis – which has yet to be peer-reviewed – found that early case detection and contact reduction were effective in controlling the virus and combined measures can reduce transmission. They can also delay the timing and reduce the size of the epidemic’s peak, and thus buy time for healthcare preparations and drugs research.
The simulations drew on human movement and illness data to model how combined interventions might affect the spread of Covid-19.
Coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 66 per cent if the measures were taken a week earlier, the study suggested, or by 86 per cent if action began two weeks earlier. If action was taken three weeks later, then the situation could have worsened 18-fold.
DR LI WENLIANG
Most efforts to tackle the outbreak took place in late January, weeks after Wuhan ophthalmologist Dr Li Wenliang tried to warn about the mystery disease on December 30. He was among eight people who were punished by police on January 1 for spreading “rumours” about the virus.
The Public Security Bureau made Li sign a letter stating that he had made “false comments” and had “severely disturbed the social order.” He died last month of the disease, aged 34, prompting widespread outrage in China.
According to the New York Times, China also ignored offers of help in January from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization.
PANDEMIC
With the virus now classed as a global pandemic, the University of Southampton researchers concluded that social distancing measures should continue for the next few months and China’s approach should be adopted elsewhere as early as possible.
“China’s vigorous, multifaceted response is likely to have prevented a far worse situation, which would have accelerated spread globally,” the study said.
End of discussion. Trump is not to blame, China is 100% responsible for the outbreak.
Whatever words of public assurance to discourage panic, Trump has been working behind the scenes to take maximum precautions, suspending travel from China, suspending travel from Europe, rallying private companies to assist in reseach, testing, logistics, and medical treatment, federally building field hospitals to care for the overload of patients in high-outbreak regions.
There are absolutely no statements you can point to by Trump that were not said by **ALL** of his critics, in the liberal media, in the Democrat party: Deblasio, Andrew Cuomo, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and many others who said it was "racist" to be afraid of infection by Covid-19, and openly encouraged people to go out and be infected! Precisely verbatim the Chinese talking points narrative, helping to deflect blame from China, where the blame truly rests.
Likewise, I've cited, as have Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham, video clips of quotes and articles by these Democrats, and by media outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC, that Covid-19 was "nothing to worry about" and "no worse than the seasonal flu". And, of course, that Trump was "over-reacting" and "racist" to have taken the precautions he did to protect the country.
How many times have I said this, where you just keep coming back, M E M, with the same lying disproven talking points and propaganda?
Part of the problem (because of disinformation by China and the WHO) is that we didn't know what Covid-19 was in the beginning, even into early/mid February how highly infectious, and how deadly. What you rail on Trump's public statements for is 1) it was the best information available at the time, 2) it was at worst exactly the same assurances and understatements Dems and the liberal media were making to the public. And ultimately 3) STILL doing FAR MORE AS PRESIDENT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC THAN THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE DONE! While Dems called Trump "racist" and "over-reacting" to take any steps whatsoever to protect the public.
I've been over this a dozen times:
1) Trump implemented travel bans to stop the spread 2) Trump did more than any other president would have done to secure the southern border from being another point of Covid-19 spread. and 3) Due to a year of trade war with China, Trump had already vastly diminished our foreign dependency on China, and pushed a lot of manufacturing either to other countries or back to the U.S., right before this all began.
It terrifies me what the corrupt Bolsheviks in your party would have let happen if they held the presidency instead. Do you REALLY think they would have done anything to prevent an even worse spread? The evidence is right there in front of you. Fuck no! They would have let this virus run wild. No travel restrictions, no border security, no resistance to unfair trade and outright industrial/cyber cheating and theft by China, no move toward sovereign U.S. domestic maufacturing and independence, no oil independence, a stated Democrat goal to abolish fracking and domestic oil production and with it millions of jobs, and no resistance to economic enslavement by China.
Regarding Trump's praise of China in a press conference, it's called diplomacy. He is giving friendly assurances to China, while working behind the scenes to further sever ties and end our dependency on China. But right now, we are dependent on China for 80% of our medical supplies and over 90% of our antibiotics.
Even so, in the same press conference, he expressed that China's statistics for its Coronavirus infections and deaths was "very light" and not believable for a nation of 1.4 billion people. He recurrently says that their numbers are not believable, and that they need to be forthcoming with the true numbers and China's Covid-19 research with the other nations of the world. The reality is, for at least the next 3 to 6 months, we need China's cooperation, and there is a limit to how bellicose Trump can be in criticizing their secretiveness that allowed this outbreak while we still need China's supplies in the short term.
Beyond that point, I hope that we and the rest of the world after that cease all trade with China, and demand concessions of their overseas foreign assets in compensation for what they unleashed on the world with their negligence and lack of warning about Covid-19.
But again, all the way across the board, you give a free pass to both the Chinese, and to the liberal Democrats and liberal media who did virtually everything you hold Trump in contempt for.
I’m not giving China any type of pass nor gushed about China like Trump did. I do expect my President to do better than a foreign one in protecting the nation.
And as I cited, Biden was talking about the threat of coronavirus in January while Trump downplayed it, and played golf, and worried about the amount the numbers would go up by letting Americans off a cruise ship.
And as I cited, Biden was talking about the threat of coronavirus in January while Trump downplayed it, and played golf, and worried about the amount the numbers would go up by letting Americans off a cruise ship.
When Obama played golf 30 seconds after answering questions about a New York Times reporter who was beheaded, the media said "Ohh, look how presidential he is, acting so nonchalant about something so serious..."
No media double standard, none whatsoever.
And as I said, Trump beyond his public statements was taking action. For which Joseph Biden and the stooges in the Democrat leadership and liberal media called him "over-reacting" and "racist". Indicating any of these critics of Trump would have done a lot less.
I’m not giving China any type of pass nor gushed about China like Trump did. I do expect my President to do better than a foreign one in protecting the nation.
And Trump has protected the nation! In precisely the ways I detailed above, that no Democrat would have done! That you apparently ignored.
THE FACTS: His decision was far from solo nor was it made over opposition from health experts, as the White House coronavirus task force makes clear. His decision followed a consensus by his public health advisers that the restrictions should take place.
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who was coordinator of the task force at the time and announced the travel restrictions, said Trump made the decision in late January after accepting the “uniform recommendation of the career public health officials here at HHS.”
While the World Health Organization did advise against the overuse of travel restrictions, Azar told reporters in February that his department’s career health officials had made a “considered recommendation, which I and the president adopted” in a bid to slow spread of the virus.
Most major airlines had already suspended flights to China prior to the announcement on Jan. 31, following the lead of several major international carriers that had stopped due to the coronavirus outbreak. Delta, American and United cited a sharp drop in demand for the flights, and an earlier State Department advisory told Americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak.”
Even most airlines were already restricting travel before his announcement. And this is the big thing he did while he spent precious time downplaying the virus.
You're being a jerk, M E M. There is no evidence for you to irrationally blame and undermine Trump at every last turn. Please, just stop it. I've already deconstructed your propaaganda talking points over and over. What you're doing is malicious, and not productive.
From my local Fort Lauderdale-based newspaper, here's an article exploring multiple therapies and new drugs to save the lives of patients afflicted with the Covid-19 virus. There are quite a number of therapies I've never heard of before now.
THE FACTS: His decision was far from solo nor was it made over opposition from health experts, as the White House coronavirus task force makes clear. His decision followed a consensus by his public health advisers that the restrictions should take place.
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who was coordinator of the task force at the time and announced the travel restrictions, said Trump made the decision in late January after accepting the “uniform recommendation of the career public health officials here at HHS.”
While the World Health Organization did advise against the overuse of travel restrictions, Azar told reporters in February that his department’s career health officials had made a “considered recommendation, which I and the president adopted” in a bid to slow spread of the virus.
Most major airlines had already suspended flights to China prior to the announcement on Jan. 31, following the lead of several major international carriers that had stopped due to the coronavirus outbreak. Delta, American and United cited a sharp drop in demand for the flights, and an earlier State Department advisory told Americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak.”
Even most airlines were already restricting travel before his announcement. And this is the big thing he did while he spent precious time downplaying the virus.
I'm not even sure what your point is. That Trump didn't make a decision on his own and just followed the herd? It's pretty well documented that others among his advisors strongly disagreedd with suspending all flights. The WHO advised aagainst suspendign China flights. To my knowledge Taiwan and Hong Kong were the only nations to ban flights from China prior to the U.S., and many nations followed Trump's lead. What's your point? Or is there a point, other than hating Trump?
Anthony Fauci on Hannity said in mid January that Covid-19 was not transmissible human-to-human, and that the United States didn't need to worry about it, that the annual flu was a greater threat. Should we demonize him now? As I've said, many other respected medical officials, and including many other Democrat political leaders, and New York Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC can similarly be quoted from videotaped public comments or print articles to have said virtually the same thing as Trump. But Trump you demonize as Satan, while giving virtually identical comments from people you like a free pass.
And ultimately, there is no proof, none that Trump's off-the-cuff remarks made one bit of difference. Ultimately it is what his medical officials in the CDC and NIH say that people act by. It's all just the latest idiotic ploy to undermine or destroy Trump. Petty and vindictive.
One prominent article at RealClearPolitics argues that in January, Fauci told the public not to worry about the novel coronavirus and that “the administration’s initial reassurances were largely aligned with the assessments of the medical community,” specifically Fauci.
This is not true, and the contention rests on misrepresenting Fauci’s comments.
“On Jan. 21,” writes Kalev Leetaru, Fauci "emphasized that it was unclear whether the virus could spread from person to person.” This is the opposite of what Fauci said, according to the article linked. “While it's clear this new virus can be spread from person to person,” the piece paraphrases Fauci, “it's unclear how easily that spread can happen.”
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Compare Fauci’s warnings and his uncertainty to what the administration was saying. Asked on CNBC on Jan. 22 whether there were "worries about a pandemic at this point,” President Trump responded, “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
Four days later, after his prudent (but clearly insufficient) China travel ban, Trump went on TV with Sean Hannity. Hannity asked Trump about coronavirus, “How concerned are you?”
Trump’s answer: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China.” This was false.
Throughout February, Trump would state confidently that things were getting better. “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Or: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
Fauci consistently had a very different tone. “The ultimate scope and effect of this outbreak is unclear at present as the situation is rapidly evolving,” he wrote in that late-January journal article.
I’m not being a jerk, I’m just not buying bs spin and revisionism that Trump and his supporters are employing. It’s not okay that Trump downplayed this threat when he knew better. Because of what he did and didn’t do lead to our nation being even more unprepared for this threat. As I’ve said before people at work echoed what he said. Your very own governor cited Trump’s changed demeanor about coronavirus to issue a shelter in place order.
Deconstructing, showing the predicted I H M E (INstitute of Health Metrics Evaluation) numbers for infected cases, hospital beds needed, ICU and ventilators needed, and the actual numbers, that far over-estimated in virtually every state what was actually needed.
And Gov. Andrew Cuomo's politicization of it saying Trump didn't give N Y the number of ventilator machines predicted would be needed, and (addressing Trump: ) "You pick the 26,000 people who have to die, because you only sent me 400 ventilators." (See Hannity's editorial above, about the linked and sourced health department warnings of specifically a lack of ventilators in stock in 2015, that Gov. Cuomo ignored, didn't fund, and doesn't have now, by his own inaction, not Trump's.)
PREDICTED numbers of beds needed in N Y for Covid-19 patients: 65,000 to 48,000 by April 4th. ACTUAL NUMBER of beds filled in N Y by April 4th: 16,000.
Re-adjusted I H M E number of beds needed by April 7th in N Y: 25,000 beds. ACUAL number filled on April 7th: 17,000. N Y hospitals strained but never overwhelmed, Trump was falsely accused.
PREDICTED I H M E number of needed ICU beds in N Y by April 7th (what appears to be the peak): 6,600. ACTUAL ICU beds used as of April 7th: 4,600.
In Florida, predicted hospitalized by April 7th: 4,000 patients. ACTUAL number on April 7th: less than 2,000 patients.
The same I H M E over-estimates across all 50 states. Possibly lower because of effective "social distancing".
Carlson also cites outbreaks statistically proportionate to the U.S. in the nations of Denmark and Austria. Which are already planning gradual re-opening of their businesses and schools, in phases over the next few weeks. But to even discuss that in the U.S. is considered blasphemy, and brings those who even suggest it labels of "greed", and "caring only about money and not people."
I would also point out that Carlson is the one I consider the alarmist among Fox hosts, the one who gives the most shocking predictions, the one who presents the worst-case scenarios. But even he is now looking toward the end of this crisis and when and how to re-open the economy.
State Representative Karen Whitsett (D-MI), who had a life-threatening Covid-19 case, is also interviewed by Tucker Carlson, and said Trump raising awareness of Hydroxychloroquine as a life-saving therapy is what saved her life. And even once she demanded it, she had a very difficult time, even as a government official, getting it prescribed in her state due to Democrat obstruction of it being prescribed.
They needed refrigerated trucks in NY for all the bodies. I think it’s fair to say the hospitals were overwhelmed. Carlson I recognize btw was an exception to FOX’s spinmeisters with coronavirus. The rest played it down like Trump did. I think planning how to come out of this shouldn’t be a left/right thing. Let’s just follow the science and data to make the best plan. Opening things up to soon might just extend the pandemic and increase the fatalities and economic damage.
One prominent article at RealClearPolitics argues that in January, Fauci told the public not to worry about the novel coronavirus and that “the administration’s initial reassurances were largely aligned with the assessments of the medical community,” specifically Fauci.
This is not true, and the contention rests on misrepresenting Fauci’s comments.
“On Jan. 21,” writes Kalev Leetaru, Fauci "emphasized that it was unclear whether the virus could spread from person to person.” This is the opposite of what Fauci said, according to the article linked. “While it's clear this new virus can be spread from person to person,” the piece paraphrases Fauci, “it's unclear how easily that spread can happen.”
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Compare Fauci’s warnings and his uncertainty to what the administration was saying. Asked on CNBC on Jan. 22 whether there were "worries about a pandemic at this point,” President Trump responded, “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
Four days later, after his prudent (but clearly insufficient) China travel ban, Trump went on TV with Sean Hannity. Hannity asked Trump about coronavirus, “How concerned are you?”
Trump’s answer: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China.” This was false.
Throughout February, Trump would state confidently that things were getting better. “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Or: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
Fauci consistently had a very different tone. “The ultimate scope and effect of this outbreak is unclear at present as the situation is rapidly evolving,” he wrote in that late-January journal article.
I’m not being a jerk, I’m just not buying bs spin and revisionism that Trump and his supporters are employing. It’s not okay that Trump downplayed this threat when he knew better. Because of what he did and didn’t do lead to our nation being even more unprepared for this threat. As I’ve said before people at work echoed what he said. Your very own governor cited Trump’s changed demeanor about coronavirus to issue a shelter in place order.
< Sigh >... the Trump-hate is strong in this one.
No, M E M, you *are* being a partisan jerk, and desperately clinging to any narrative that hopes to undermine Trump. There is no evidence, NONE that anything Trump has said, even if a mis-statement, has negatively impacted the country. You are just lyingly selling that false narrative to the hilt, beyond any rational basis or reason.
AGAIN: Trump has clearly 1) done far more than any other president to secure the border, 2) stopped foreign travel from infected regions, and 3) preceded the crisis with a year of U.S./China trade war that vastly diminished our dependence on China for vital supplies.
Your side has even initiated a negative campaign against Dr Fauci and Deborah Birx as "Trump stooges", and Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough (WITH NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING) launched a wild conspiracy that Trump was promoting Hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure because he was getting some kind of financial kickback from the drug producers! "Just follow the money", Mika vomits out. WHAT money?!? Just a wild conspiracy theory, not a shred of factual basis. If any Fox news host floated a similar wild accusation, they'd be taken off the air and likely fired. (By the way hydroxychloroquine has existed since 1944, FDA-approved since 1955, and costs less than 20 dollars a patient to prescribe. Where are the enormous profits to be made? There is currently already a nationwide inventory for 29 million prescriptions on the shelves, ready to use. I've seen arguments that the medical community resists using it because there is no money to be made in prescribing it. It is so easy to manufacture that some hospitals are now making it themselves. )
As I said, and you can plainly see in any number of videos, Dr Fauci of NIH said the exact same things as Trump in January, that people shouldn't worry, that Covid-19 is not a threat to the U.S., that the seasonal flu is way more of a threat and kills way more people annually. That the summer heat could (not guaranteed) make it go away when summer comes. *AND* the New York Times. *AND* the Washington Post. *AND* CNN. *AND* MSNBC.
Originally Posted By: M E M
It’s not okay that Trump downplayed this threat when he knew better. Because of what he did and didn’t do lead to our nation being even more unprepared for this threat.
You apparently only hold Trump to that standard, but none of the many others who said the exact same things, including the medical officials who were advising Trump, and were the source of his rhetoric! That certainly fits the criteria for being a lying partisan jerk.
I actually think Florida governor Ron Desantis was pressured by businesses to keep the state open, and it was only pressure from Trump and his Coronavirus team that made him finally issue a shelter-at-home order (11 days late by my account, and I made several heated phone calls to his office making a case for closure myself.)
The spread in Florida largely came from 1) travel arrivals of the already-infected from the New York area, and 2) the mass crowds of spring breakers who came in the first two weeks of March, before any shelter-at-home was issued in any state, begun in the first states on March 21st. By the time Desantis finally issued a shelter-at-home order, the hardest-hit regions were already largely closed down, and gradually retail stores, beaches, even golf courses added to the shutddown. Many cities, such as my Boca Raton, were in shelter-at-home before the governor finally ordered it. So while I would have preferred an earlier uniform lockdown of the state, a more localized lockdown was already in effect for all the high-incidence regions.
But regardless, I don't see where Trump's rhetoric was any more "irresponsible" than that of his critics in the Democrat leadership and the media. Or that Democrats in power would have done more to protect the country. As they protested everything Trump did as "over-reaction" and "racist", the evidence is they would have done far less, and we'd be seeing deaths in the millions, and not the thosands.
Read Biden’s opted from January that I posted. I think it’s pretty clear Biden was taking coronavirus much more seriously than Trump even back than. And that was Biden without all the briefings and resources Trump has had. And your governor specifically cited Trump’s changed demeanor as a reason. Every governor had to deal with pressure from businesses btw.
ashington (CNN)President Donald Trump has falsely claimed four times since last week that he inherited a faulty coronavirus test -- which was, in reality, developed this year.
In March, Trump initially made a debatable claim that he had inherited a flawed testing "system." By the final days of March and the first days of April, however, he was making a demonstrably inaccurate claim about inheriting the actual tests. "We inherited a broken test -- the whole thing was broken," Trump said on the Fox News morning show "Fox and Friends" on March 30. "And remember this: We inherited -- the word is we inherited bad tests. We really inherited bad tests. These are horrible tests. And it was broken. It was all broken. And we fixed it," Trump said at the White House briefing on April 1.
"The original test -- the ones we inherited, Jim, as an example, they were -- they were broken. They were obsolete. They were not good tests. And that's what we got stuck with," he said at the April 3 briefing. "Initially speaking, the tests were old, obsolete, and not really prepared," he said at the April 6 briefing. Trump's clear suggestion was that the flawed test had been left to him by President Barack Obama's administration. Facts First: The faulty initial test for the coronavirus was created during Trump's administration, in early 2020, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Since this is a new virus that was first identified this year, the tests couldn't possibly be "old" or "obsolete."
They needed refrigerated trucks in NY for all the bodies. I think it’s fair to say the hospitals were overwhelmed. Carlson I recognize btw was an exception to FOX’s spinmeisters with coronavirus. The rest played it down like Trump did. I think planning how to come out of this shouldn’t be a left/right thing. Let’s just follow the science and data to make the best plan. Opening things up to soon might just extend the pandemic and increase the fatalities and economic damage.
Or alternately, the rest at Fox reported the facts, while other networks made up of a higher ratio of Democrat partisans than the most liberal regions of the country. Who in an earlier above cited 2017 Harvard analysis were 93% negative in coverage of Trump. In another article I cited above liberal media were 100% negative in Jan 2020 coverage of Trump during the impeachment. These same liberal propagandists distorted the news beyond the facts on the FBI/Russia investigation, on the Mueller special investigation, assisted Dems in the effort to destroy the Brett Kavanaugh nomination, attempted to tank the economy for 3 years with wild factless speculation, distorted the whistleblower/Ukraine story, and then helped Dems weaponize the impeachment proceedings. And here they are again weaponizing and distorting Covid-19 coverage, fearmongering to again try to damage Trump politically. Despite that in the hard numbers I just cited above, the level of actual cases is quantifiaable **far** lover than the preceding "scientific" estimates of the I M H E. No acknowwledgement whatsoever by Democrats or the liberal media that the numbers that were first estimated to possibly exceed a million deaths, that a week ago as stated by Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx at a daily briefing were still preparing the nation for 100,000 to 250,000 deaths, now a week later are projected to be well below 100,000. Who is giving "accurate coverage", M E M? The "Trump propagandist" at Fox, or the proven liarss at CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, and New York Times, who have all now made it clear it's their holy mission to destroy Trump.
The Brett Kavanaugh allegations. Nicholas Sandmann and the Covington Catholic High school incident at the March For Life rally. The resurrection by the Washington Post of allegations against Kavanaugh a year after his confirmation. Just three examples of the media being dead wrong and caught in the act distorting the news. And in Sandmann's case with a good lawyer, media outlets like CNN sued succesfully for tens of millions in damages for theeir purposeful lying narrative about Sandmann and his friends.
A prime example is Hydroxychloroquine coverage, that CNN and other liberal media portray as "risky" and "dangerous" and "unproven". Despite that a survey of 3,300 doctors treating patients with Covid-19 in 40 countries select it as their first choice to prescribe for Covid-19 patients. Clearly, the disgusting partisans of the liberal media propagandize against it, just because Trump sees it as aa hopeful possible therapy treatment. Trump supports ti, and for that reason alone, they vitriolically push back against it. No other reason. Disgusting.
Go back to what dr. Fauci says on the alternative drugs. I’m for promising treatment’s but let’s be honest about them. Trump I think yesterday stopped Dr. Fauci from answering questions on Hydroxychloroquine. Let the experts speak, not the lying bag of shit that is looking to escape blame.
The liberal media downplaying the Covid-19 pandemic, exactly what you accuse Trump of.
Democrats like Pelosi, Schumer, Deblasio and Cuomo have plently of clips of them doing the same. But of course, you don't hold them to the same standard.
Read Biden’s opted from January that I posted. I think it’s pretty clear Biden was taking coronavirus much more seriously than Trump even back than. And that was Biden without all the briefings and resources Trump has had. And your governor specifically cited Trump’s changed demeanor as a reason. Every governor had to deal with pressure from businesses btw.
Biden said Trump was "over-reacting" and "racist" for stopping the flights from China (what would have been 20,000 arrivals with possible Covid-19 virus a day!) that Biden would not have stopped.
Biden has made clear he would not stop illegal immigrants on our Southern border, and would actually give them amnesty and free healthcare. That would stop Covid-19 illegals who don't even go through any inspection on entry... how? And Biden's policy would not only open the gatess, but encourage far more to illegally enter.
And less than a week ago, Biden after over 60 days of calling Trump "racist" for doing so, finally admitted that stopping Chinese travel on Jan 31 was the right thing to do. As did Fauci a month ago, who called it the "single best strategic move" to protect the nation from Coronavirus.
Would that you could admit the same.
On Covid-19 prevention or anything else, Biden is a smiling empty vessel who can barely complete a sentence, let alone conduct policy. It is the puppetmasters behind him who would be running a Biden presidency, not Biden himself. He is a made-to-order easily manipulated friendly face for the authoritarian deep state. And thank God, has no shot at this point.
An overview of the Covid-19 crisis emerging from China, and how they and other nations such as Italy, South Korea, Spain, Britain, Australia and the U.S. have dealt with it. It's interesting to see how different nations have dealt with the same crisis. The South Koreans seem to have handled it the best of anyone. Any country would be smart to bring in South Koreans to teach them how to prepare for and prevent any future outbreaks.
I think China and the Trump administration both need to be investigated on what they knew and when. And all the aid does need independent oversight. I think the only way that’s going to happen is the Trump turd getting flushed in 2020.
I think China and the Trump administration both need to be investigated on what they knew and when. And all the aid does need independent oversight. I think the only way that’s going to happen is the Trump turd getting flushed in 2020.
God, you're ridiculous.
China is a state that literally killed thousands of people to contain the outbreak, and to supress information about how truly extensive the outbreak truly was (estimated by multiple investigative reporting sources, looking at cremation urns delivered to funeral homes, and the sudden disconnection of tens of thousands of cel phones, belonging to people who just vanished into thin air.) And including the Chinese doctor who first tried to warn other doctors and the rest of the world, one who was arrested and silenced, then conveniently died of Covid-19 shortly after his release, at the very young age of 34. And a second female doctor who also pressed for disclosure about the virus, and also disappeared, plus 8 other Chinese doctors in Wuhan who were arrested and intimidated into silence. And that China knew this is a highly infectious virus that frequently results in death, and let travel out of China worldwide to seed the outbreak in Italy, Germany, France, Spain, South Korea, Japan, the U.S. and a total of 171 countries up to now. 80,000 lives lost to it, and counting, for an outbreak that could have been prevented by a responsible Chinese government, if China had just not permitted travel out of China for a few weeks, and warned other nations to quarantine travelers. But now the destruction is done, and irreversible.
You really think Trump is comparable to that, and warrants investigation? Great, let's investigate Gov. Andrew Cuomo, and mayor Deblasio, and Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats for their negligent words and actions that far more visibly obstructed protecting the public and openly encouraged thousands to get infected. Bring it on.
Given the nature of this disaster I would think it’s pretty much a given that all aspects will be looked at but the buck stops with the leader who gushed about how China handled coronavirus and thanked them for their transparency. Apparently our intelligence warned us in November about this potential threat. What was really happening as coronavirus spread here while Trump assured the country it was under control? China is wrong to suppress what it knew. It would also be wrong for our government to suppress what it knew. The gop can still continue to investigate Biden and whoever he picks for VP, but for the lives lost and money being spent this isn’t going to be allowed to just be covered up.
Republicans will fight anything that allows greater numbers of people voting but what happened in WI was crazy. Big cities had their polling stations reduced to a fraction while voters essentially had to choose risking their lives to vote. That shouldn’t have happened. Also an obvious issue is Congress being able to vote during situations like this. Plus high speed internet for all needs to be an actual priority.
Given the nature of this disaster I would think it’s pretty much a given that all aspects will be looked at but the buck stops with the leader who gushed about how China handled coronavirus and thanked them for their transparency.
That's a rather selective out-of-context view of Trump's statements about China. One partisanly selected phrase out of the greater whole of Trump's clearly stated views, misrepresented. Trump has repeatedly said the Chinese communist government have not been honest and open about what the true numbers were in China, or about when they knew this virus first existed and how contageous it is, and that their negligence allowed it to spread to the rest of the world.
Trump has repeatedly called the outbreak across many daily briefings "the Chinese virus", which your side labelled as "racist". Trump in his daily briefing explained that it unmistakeably came from China and that he was offended by Chinese propaganda efforts to allege that U.S. soldiers brought and released it in China. Trump has repeatedly across many daily briefings said that the Chinese official numbers of the cases and deaths in China were "very light" and not believable for a country over 4 times the population of the United States.
The ONLY reason Trump has expressed friendliness and appreciation of China is because we still desperately need China. We need their medical history and research of the virus. We need their researched possible remedies. We are hugely dependent on Chinese exported products to the U.S., particularly for food, for electronics and steel for our military defense and life-bloood computer technology. And especially for 80% of our medical supplies, and over 90% of our antibiotics. You know that before your even post your vicious lies, and yet you front that lying narrative anyway.
6 months from now, the U.S. and Europe can be a lot more openly critical of China, and demand investigation of Covid-19's origins, and demand reparations for the preventable outbreak that China knowingly unleashed on the rest of the world. As Trump said a few days ago about blaming China, "Now is not the time." But that time is certainly coming.
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Apparently our intelligence warned us in November about this potential threat. What was really happening as coronavirus spread here while Trump assured the country it was under control? China is wrong to suppress what it knew. It would also be wrong for our government to suppress what it knew. The gop can still continue to investigate Biden and whoever he picks for VP, but for the lives lost and money being spent this isn’t going to be allowed to just be covered up.
The Trump administration has roughly 2 hours of briefing and open questions from reporters every day. Trump is not hiding anything, and answers even the snottiest of questions from a Democrat-partisan liberal media that despises and deceitfully undermines him. There is no "cover-up", except as part of your lying narrative. You havent the slightest shred of evidence to back that up.
And that's different from the other 171 infected nations... how?
I would argue that Trump's exceptional economy (quantifiably the best economy in over 50 years) better allows the U.S. to endure the hardships of shutdown than other nations.
As I expressed earlier in the topic, I'm deeply concerned about not just the severe economic impact in the United States, but far more so the potential for a snowballing global economic collapse.
Republicans will fight anything that allows greater numbers of people voting but what happened in WI was crazy. Big cities had their polling stations reduced to a fraction while voters essentially had to choose risking their lives to vote. That shouldn’t have happened. Also an obvious issue is Congress being able to vote during situations like this. Plus high speed internet for all needs to be an actual priority.
"Never let a crisis go to waste?", right?
Score another victory for the Bolshevik party, and their efforts to move their Trojan Horse inside the gates.
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He stopped short, however, of endorsing any new policy positions. Biden has opposed the types of big structural changes presented by Sanders, including Medicare-for-all and several key economic solutions. For Sanders’s part, he has used the pandemic to put forward a broad economic agenda, including a universal basic income of $2,000 per month until the economic crisis is over.
Still, it’s a shift to see Biden talking about structural change in his campaign. What’s become increasingly clear over the past several weeks is that returning to normal may not be possible, and Democrats may end up needing someone more than a normalcy candidate this fall.
That doesn't sound like anything approaching an endorsement of Biden. The far-left Vox are clearly dripping in their panties for Bernie Sanders. But that ship has sailed.
And that's different from the other 171 infected nations... how?
I would argue that Trump's exceptional economy (quantifiably the best economy in over 50 years) better allows the U.S. to endure the hardships of shutdown than other nations.
As I expressed earlier in the topic, I'm deeply concerned about not just the severe economic impact in the United States, but far more so the potential for a snowballing global economic collapse.
It’s just such a huge number. Even under best case scenarios this will have huge ramifications. I’ll just point out that most of the economic expansion happened under Obama’s last term and some of his first. Trump inherited a good economy and blew up the economy for not even much of a gain in GDP. His record now includes this.
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus,” Trump wrote in a post on Twitter. “The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
WB can you provide me a quote from Biden about China’s handling of coronavirus that outdoes Trump’s gushing here? Pretty sad that Trump can butt lick China like that. Than again they both hate free independent news media so perhaps a common bond helps.
It’s just such a huge number. Even under best case scenarios this will have huge ramifications. I’ll just point out that most of the economic expansion happened under Obama’s last term and some of his first. Trump inherited a good economy and blew up the economy for not even much of a gain in GDP. His record now includes this.
You go on beleiving that, M E M. Eight Obama years, of which none achieved 2% growth, where Obama economic officials called that "the new normal", that they couldn't even imagine higher annual growth than that.
Then Trump becomes president, and achieves almost 4% growth his first year. Despite 3 devastating hurricanes that hit the U.S. that first year. Without which, Trump's policies likely would have achieve over 4% growth the very first year. If Obama's economic advisors could not even imagine 3% growwth, and did not achieve it in 8 years, how can they possibly take credit for over 3% growth in Trump's very first year? That puts the lie to your lips, M E M.
Trump has quantifiably the highest growth and the lowest unemployment in at least 50 years across a multitude of demographic categories. The lowest black employment ever recorded (annually measured since 1972). The lowest hispanic unemployment. The lowest women's unemployment since the 1950's. The lowest under-30 unemployment.
And that's not just lower than Obama. That's also lower than W. Bush, lower than Bill Clinton, lower than Bush Sr, lower than Reagan!
There's no way to spin that to say Obama had better economic performance. Those are the hard numbers.
Republicans will fight anything that allows greater numbers of people voting but what happened in WI was crazy. Big cities had their polling stations reduced to a fraction while voters essentially had to choose risking their lives to vote. That shouldn’t have happened. Also an obvious issue is Congress being able to vote during situations like this. Plus high speed internet for all needs to be an actual priority.
"Never let a crisis go to waste?", right?
Score another victory for the Bolshevik party, and their efforts to move their Trojan Horse inside the gates. ....
Honestly don’t you think after this some structural changes could be made? I’m sure there won’t be agreement on everything, probably even most but I would be surprised if the GOP doesn’t press and accept some itself.
It seems wrong to say we got lucky but imagine a virus that was this contagious with an even higher fatality rate. This could potentially prepare us for that if we act smart and implement things to prevent or blunt the next pandemic.
It’s just such a huge number. Even under best case scenarios this will have huge ramifications. I’ll just point out that most of the economic expansion happened under Obama’s last term and some of his first. Trump inherited a good economy and blew up the economy for not even much of a gain in GDP. His record now includes this.
You go on beleiving that, M E M. Eight Obama years, of which none achieved 2% growth, where Obama economic officials called that "the new normal", that they couldn't even imagine higher annual growth than that.
Then Trump becomes president, and achieves almost 4% growth his first year. Despite 3 devastating hurricanes that hit the U.S. that first year. Without which, Trump's policies likely would have achieve over 4% growth the very first year. If Obama's economic advisors could not even imagine 3% growwth, and did not achieve it in 8 years, how can they possibly take credit for over 3% growth in Trump's very first year? That puts the lie to your lips, M E M.
Trump has quantifiably the highest growth and the lowest unemployment in at least 50 years across a multitude of demographic categories. The lowest black employment ever recorded (annually measured since 1972). The lowest hispanic unemployment. The lowest women's unemployment since the 1950's. The lowest under-30 unemployment.
And that's not just lower than Obama. That's also lower than W. Bush, lower than Bill Clinton, lower than Bush Sr, lower than Reagan!
There's no way to spin that to say Obama had better economic performance. Those are the hard numbers.
I don’t have to believe in facts. The economic expansion started long before Trump was elected. You can play with stats to try to hide it but all the unemployment numbers were going down under Obama after recovering from a global recession.
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus,” Trump wrote in a post on Twitter. “The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
WB can you provide me a quote from Biden about China’s handling of coronavirus that outdoes Trump’s gushing here? Pretty sad that Trump can butt lick China like that. Than again they both hate free independent news media so perhaps a common bond helps.
Biden brought along his son, Hunter Biden, and despite being a drug addict who was kicked out of the military for smoking crack, and despite that he had absolutely no experience in banking, the Chinese state bank extended him and his colleagues a $1.5 BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT DEAL. For which when the interest matriculates at somewhere between 2-6% commission, will give Hunter a payoff in the tens of millions of dollars. In addition to his other corrupt deals in Ukraine, which he ALSO got only because he was a passenger on Vice President Biden's plane into that country. Investigation and prosecution pending. Further, according to Chinese expert Michael Pillsbury, at the time Hunter Biden was given that 1.5 billion bank investment deal, Joseph Biden had fronted as a hawk against China. But immediately after that deal with son Hunter transacted, V.P. Biden used his influence to get U.S. Navy ships to stop patrolling certain parts of the South China Sea that Chinaa didn't want us patrolling. That's quid pro quo up the yingyang.
If you want to see much more of Biden's corruption and corporate backroom payoffs, just read the first 30 pages of Michelle Malkin's 2010 book, Culture of Corruption.
There are further Biden payoffs just with son Hunter Biden involving Amtrak and MBNA, both of which were huge donors to Biden as Deleware Senator, and young Hunter was appointed to each's board of directors with no experience, right out of college, just because he is Biden's son. For the level of influence of MBNA over Biden, he was jokingly called "The Senator from MBNA" instead of the Senator from Deleware. I worked for MBNA a few years. When MBNA was bought out by the Bank of America, they had become the largest issuer of credit cards in the world. MBNA and all the credit card companies all headquarter in Deleware because they have the most lenient interest laws of any state in the U.S. (meaning based in Delaware, they can charge higher interest rates nationwide than if based anywhere else in the U.S.)
That's just the tip of the iceberg regarding Joe Biden's corruption.
Regarding Hunter, the guy made millions from corrupt deals in Ukraine, China and Rumania (from Ukraine/Burisma alone, over 3 million), and while he was sleeping with the widow of his deceased brother, he was also frequenting strip clubs, smoking crack, and on top of that knocked up another girl. She sued him for $16,000 in child support he was not providing, despite all his corruptly obtained wealth. That's the kind of guy he is. And the corruption that connects to Joseph Biden himself, his sons and his brothers, all selling Biden's political office for profitable contracts to his family, are extensive.
I shit on Biden's integrity, and that of the entire corrupt Democrat party. As laid out in tecchnicolor detail by Malkin. See also Obamanomics by Tim Carney, or Clinton Cash or Profiles in Corruption by Peter Schweizer. There is no one the Chinese Communist Party would rather have in office than the Democrats, and Biden in particular, no one easier to buy off. Except for maybe the Clintons, or the Obamas, or Harry Reed, or Nancy Pelosi... all of which have enriched themselves off inside deals while in public office. Corrupt to the core.
I don’t have to believe in facts. The economic expansion started long before Trump was elected. You can play with stats to try to hide it but all the unemployment numbers were going down under Obama after recovering from a global recession.
So... you rely on your prejudice and zealotry over the quantifiable facts?
You are immune to logic. Frighteningly so. Guys like Castro, Mao and Stalin relied on the blind loyalty of guys like you. And there is very little difference between the ruthlessness of the Democrats and the ruthlessness of these murderous dictators. You don't even blink when the Obamas, the Clintons, Bernie Sanders and others in your party openly exhort praise on these murderous regimes, and you somehow believe they wouldn't engage in the exact same tactics as the authoritarian regimes they admire? With mentors like Frank Marshall Davis, Obama chief advisor Valerie Jarrett and her parents who worked for Soviet funded communist front group newspapers, Obama appointees Anita Dunn, Mark Lloyd, Ron Bloom who openly praised Mao Tse Tung, Obama mentor William Ayers who bombed police and military bases and hosted Obama's first political fundraiser in his home. Jeff Jones and the Apollo Alliance who wrote Obamacare's legislation.
I don’t have to believe in facts. The economic expansion started long before Trump was elected. You can play with stats to try to hide it but all the unemployment numbers were going down under Obama after recovering from a global recession.
So... you rely on your prejudice and zealotry over the quantifiable facts?
...partisan garbage.....
Your party is evil.
Really need to apply what you accuse to yourself, We both know that most of the drop in unemployment after the Great Recession occurred under Obama. You can’t even honestly acknowledge the gains under Obama. That happened while he expanded healthcare for more people and a gop that fought bailouts once Obama was in office. Now bailouts are good again and deficits only matter if a democrat wins the WH.
I don’t have to believe in facts. The economic expansion started long before Trump was elected. You can play with stats to try to hide it but all the unemployment numbers were going down under Obama after recovering from a global recession.
So... you rely on your prejudice and zealotry over the quantifiable facts?
You are immune to logic. Frighteningly so. Guys like Castro, Mao and Stalin relied on the blind loyalty of guys like you. And there is very little difference between the ruthlessness of the Democrats and the ruthlessness of these murderous dictators the leaders of your party OPENLY ADMIRE.
You don't even blink when the Obamas, the Clintons, Bernie Sanders and others in your party openly exhort praise on these murderous regimes, and you somehow believe they wouldn't engage in the exact same tactics as the authoritarian regimes they admire?
With mentors like Frank Marshall Davis, Obama chief advisor Valerie Jarrett and her parents who worked for Soviet funded communist front group newspapers (see Jarrett, Valerielisting at DiscoverTheNetworks for details). Obama appointee Anita Dunn. Obama FCC czar Mark Lloyd who praised Venezuela's authoritariaan takeover of that nation's media as "very effective, and a good model to follow". Ron Bloom who openly praised Mao Tse Tung, Obama mentor William Ayers who bombed police and military bases and hosted Obama's first political fundraiser in his home. Jeff Jones and the Apollo Alliance who wrote Obamacare's legislation.
Your party is evil.
Really need to apply what you accuse to yourself, We both know that most of the drop in unemployment after the Great Recession occurred under Obama. You can’t even honestly acknowledge the gains under Obama. That happened while he expanded healthcare for more people and a gop that fought bailouts once Obama was in office. Now bailouts are good again and deficits only matter if a democrat wins the WH.
Your capitalism-hating party under Obama sank the U.S. economy so low, for over 2 years AFTER Obama was elected, there was finally nowhere else to go economically but up. It was in spite of, not because of, Obama/Democrat policies that the U.S. economy finally began to recover. And even then Obamacare and smothering new regulations restricted growth. I worked about a year for a company in 2012-2013 where "full-time" was 30 hour a week, because they didn't want to be crushed by the expense of 40-hour full-time healthcare benefits. That held true for millions of employers, stifling economic expansion. Finally unleashed under Trump.
Your party is immersed in marxism, worships murderous authoritarian marxist dictators (I've cited examples multiple times), openly hates the very idea of America as the capitalist constitutional republic it has been for 250 years, and is hell-bent on destroying it and replacing it with a marxist utopia.
Your party's impulse at every turn is deception and misinformation, abuse of federal power, and authoritarian power grabs.
I repeat, based on the absolute facts: Your party is evil.
I added links to back up what I've said, what I've sourced many times previously. Far from "partisan garbage" it is thoroughly verifiable as the uncontestable facts. As compared with your lying propaganda and factless bumper-sticker talking-point slogans.
It’s extremely difficult to track vote fraud. Most states put only half-hearted efforts into purging their voter-registration rolls of the dead or those who’ve moved out of state. Prosecutions for vote fraud are rare. But prosecutions for perjury are rare, too — and not because it “doesn’t exist.” Earlier this year, the Virginia Voters Alliance found that more than 44,000 people were simultaneously registered to vote in Maryland and Virginia. Catherine Englebrecht’s True the Vote found some 6.9 million overlapping voter registrations in the 28 states they examined. For those unburdened by conscience who live close to the border, it’s more than possible to vote early and often.
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Several House seats, and one very significant Senate seat, were probably won by Democrats on the strength of illegal votes. In 2008, the authors note, Senator Al Franken won by just 312 votes in Minnesota. That seat was the sixtieth vote to give Democrats a filibuster-proof supermajority to pass major legislation such as Obamacare. “[Voting] participation by just 0.65 percent of non-citizens in Minnesota is sufficient to account for the entirety of Franken’s margin,” the authors write. “Our best guess is that nearly ten times as many voted.”
Conservatives just making accusations of voter fraud isn’t actually proof but I think you’ve made it clear that you’re just going to go with your partisan accusations and lies with name calling. Some states already have a mail voting system in place and it’s worked. It’s not okay to disenfranchise voters like they were in WI WB.
And after the Great Recession, that started before Obama took office, the unemployment rate went down year after year. Trump inherited a great economy and he had republicans that no longer demanded that the deficit needed to be dealt with. Likewise republicans feel very differently about bailouts these days. Bet that all changes if shitbag loses in 2020, right?
Conservatives just making accusations of voter fraud isn’t actually proof but I think you’ve made it clear that you’re just going to go with your partisan accusations and lies with name calling. Some states already have a mail voting system in place and it’s worked. It’s not okay to disenfranchise voters like they were in WI WB.
And after the Great Recession, that started before Obama took office, the unemployment rate went down year after year. Trump inherited a great economy and he had republicans that no longer demanded that the deficit needed to be dealt with. Likewise republicans feel very differently about bailouts these days. Bet that all changes if shitbag loses in 2020, right?
Linked and sourced, M E M. There's nothing I said that you can truly dispute.
When Trump was elected, the stock market surged in the two months before he was inaugurated,a sign of the market's confidence that Trump's new policy would be very good for business.
When Obama was elected in Nov 2008, the already declined market plunged to unimaginable new lows, and continued to up to and through his inauguration, a clear sign of the market's dread of what he would implement. The recession and job losses continued to plummet for more than the first two years of Obama's presidency. Finally, not because Obama did anything right, but just because the stock market had sunk so low that stocks were perceived as being under-valued and a bargain at that point, the market finally began to recover. And all along, the fed under Obama printed trillions and trillions (QE-1, QE-2, QE-3...), pouring printed cash into the economy, and still barely got a return on that printed cash. Not one year of even 2% annual growth in 8 years, the weakest recovery since the great depression. And further borrowing trillions beyond that in new deficit, that I term (combined with the Fed printing trillions) "burning the wick at both ends". No other president has poured so much into the economy and yet gotten such a small return on all that spending. The path of Weimar Germany, Zembabwe, and Venezuela.
The rest of what you front beyond that is just smoke and mirrors, to deflect and put a happy spin on what actually happened under Obama. Obama's campaign rhetoric to "fundamental transformation of America", indeed.
FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr is asking China’s communist government to give him permission to speak with the many disappeared citizen journalists who sounded early alarms on the severity of the coronavirus outbreak, which began in the city of Wuhan. On Thursday, a Chinese government spokesperson suggested on Twitter that U.S. officials should visit China to experience “freedom,” and the FCC commissioner accepted the offer, adding that first he wants to speak with the brave journalists.
In a Twitter thread posted late Thursday, Carr said he would first “like to speak with Dr. Al Fen”, a doctor who worked in Wuhan’s Central Hospital, who tried to warn about the virus and quickly disappeared. His list followed with eight other brave doctors and citizens who risked their lives to save countless others, but were never to be seen again.
[ FCC commissioner Brendan Carr's incendiary twitter posts shown at link ]
Carr concluded his Twitter thread with some scathing questions for the Chinese official: “does your offer still stand? Or has it suddenly disappeared as things tend to do over there?”
Carr has long been an opponent of China’s authoritarianism and has raised concerns over their influence in the U.S. and he’s now taking aim at China Telecom Corp’s which wants to implement its services in the U.S. “It is time to reconsider our relationship with companies owned or controlled by the People’s Republic of China,” Carr said of the move in a statement Friday.
U.S. agencies, including the Department of Justice recommended Thursday that the FCC deny their operations citing “substantial and unacceptable national security and law enforcement risks associated with China Telecom’s operations.”
Some ballsy posts by the FCC commissioner, that must be humiliating for the Chinese government. And they richly deserve the humiliation. They still have not disclosed their research on the virus or allowed CDC or WHO scientists to examine the evidence of what occurred in China. And needless to say, the number of Covid-19/Wuhan flu cases and deaths are estimated anywhere from 15 to 50 times higher than the official Chinese communist government's state numbers.
Reporters and other investigators have tapped 2 sources to estimate the true unreported numbers: 1) the inventoried number of urns for cremated ashes that surged at funeral homes across China during and after the outbreak, 2) the number of individual cel phones across China that suddenly discontinued service across China. The early estimate, without the slightest Chinese communist government cooperation is at least 45,000 dead, and millions infected.
China will lose trillions in industry for this cover-up and deliberate infection of the world, as U.S. and other nations move manufacturing out of China. China suspended flights and travel within China during the outbreak to contain infection, but knowing how contageous and deadly this was, still allowed infected travellers out of China to nations worldwide. Monstrous.
And nations worldwide will seize Chinese assets and refuse to pay debts, to regain just a fraction of the devastation and mass death China has unleashed on their countries.
Conservatives just making accusations of voter fraud isn’t actually proof but I think you’ve made it clear that you’re just going to go with your partisan accusations and lies with name calling. Some states already have a mail voting system in place and it’s worked. It’s not okay to disenfranchise voters like they were in WI WB.
And after the Great Recession, that started before Obama took office, the unemployment rate went down year after year. Trump inherited a great economy and he had republicans that no longer demanded that the deficit needed to be dealt with. Likewise republicans feel very differently about bailouts these days. Bet that all changes if shitbag loses in 2020, right?
Linked and sourced, M E M. There's nothing I said that you can truly dispute. .....
US economy under Trump: Is it the greatest in history? Basically you’re trying to give Trump credit for things that mostly happened under Obama. At a certain point black unemployment did hit a record low under Trump for example. You’re technically correct but leave out that most of that drop in unemployment happened under Obama. Smoke and mirrors indeed.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
You would make a great Soviet or Chinese Communist minister of propaganda, M E M.
Relative to the estimated 1 to 2 million estimated dead without the preventive measures Trump and his Coronavirus team enacted, the numbers would be a lot higher. If John Kerry or Obama, or Biden or Hillary were president, those numbers would be in the millions. Your side has made it clear they would have done nothing to stop travel from infected countries, nothing to secure our borders. They would have just let it happen. As Obama did in 2009 with H1N1/Swine Flu, where 60 million were infected, 375,000 hospitalized, 12,000 dead.
But please, go on with your lying talking points, that are in complete contradiction of the facts. While the U.S. has more in numbers, as a proportion of our population the infection and deaths are lower. And it is precisely because the U.S. has done more testing that we have identified more cases that are confirmed to be Corvid-19/Wuhan Flu. While China, the nation responsible, hides its records of Covid-19, and hoarded medical equipment to further deprive the rest of the world of the ability to protect themselves against what the Chinese unleashed. That is quite telling, that they suppressed air travel in[p/b] China, but knowingly allowed infected people to fly [b]out of China to infect other nations. While witholding and hoarding medical supplies other nations needed!
IT IS CHINA that is responsible for this global pandemic, not just in the United States, but across over 180 nations. But you hate America so much, you would undermine our president who is doing his best to contain the damage.
Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG Matter-eater Man
Conservatives just making accusations of voter fraud isn’t actually proof but I think you’ve made it clear that you’re just going to go with your partisan accusations and lies with name calling. Some states already have a mail voting system in place and it’s worked. It’s not okay to disenfranchise voters like they were in WI WB.
And after the Great Recession, that started before Obama took office, the unemployment rate went down year after year. Trump inherited a great economy and he had republicans that no longer demanded that the deficit needed to be dealt with. Likewise republicans feel very differently about bailouts these days. Bet that all changes if shitbag loses in 2020, right?
Linked and sourced, M E M. There's nothing I said that you can truly dispute. .....
US economy under Trump: Is it the greatest in history? Basically you’re trying to give Trump credit for things that mostly happened under Obama. At a certain point black unemployment did hit a record low under Trump for example. You’re technically correct but leave out that most of that drop in unemployment happened under Obama. Smoke and mirrors indeed.
It's certainly the best U.S. economy in 50 years. And clearly surpasses that under Obama, the Bushes, Clinton or even Reagan. Quantifiably.
For the billionth time, despite your lying partisan propaganda, Trump achieved DOUBLE Obama's annual growth in just his first year as president, whereas Obama never surpassed 2% any of his 8 years as president. PERIOD. THE END.
Obama's advisors called lower than 2% growth "the new normal", the best that could be hoped for, and they could not even imagine achieving higher growth than that. So it is absurd to say that Trump's DOUBLED annual growth in just his first year was actually achieved by Obama. It is just a blatant lie, for the Bolshevik human cattle like yourself who will believe whatever the Democrat Central Committee tells them.
Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG Matter-eater Man
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG Matter-eater Man
Conservatives just making accusations of voter fraud isn’t actually proof but I think you’ve made it clear that you’re just going to go with your partisan accusations and lies with name calling. Some states already have a mail voting system in place and it’s worked. It’s not okay to disenfranchise voters like they were in WI WB.
And after the Great Recession, that started before Obama took office, the unemployment rate went down year after year. Trump inherited a great economy and he had republicans that no longer demanded that the deficit needed to be dealt with. Likewise republicans feel very differently about bailouts these days. Bet that all changes if shitbag loses in 2020, right?
Linked and sourced, M E M. There's nothing I said that you can truly dispute. .....
US economy under Trump: Is it the greatest in history? Basically you’re trying to give Trump credit for things that mostly happened under Obama. At a certain point black unemployment did hit a record low under Trump for example. You’re technically correct but leave out that most of that drop in unemployment happened under Obama. Smoke and mirrors indeed.
It's certainly the best U.S. economy in 50 years. And clearly surpasses that under Obama, the Bushes, Clinton or even Reagan. Quantifiably.
For the billionth time, despite your lying partisan propaganda, Trump achieved DOUBLE Obama's annual growth in just his first year as president, whereas Obama never surpassed 2% any of his 8 years as president. PERIOD. THE END.
Obama's advisors called lower than 2% growth "the new normal", the best that could be hoped for, and they could not even imagine achieving higher growth than that. So it is absurd to say that Trump's DOUBLED annual growth in just his first year was actually achieved by Obama. It is just a blatant lie, for the Bolshevik human cattle like yourself who will believe whatever the Democrat Central Committee tells them.
I can cite plenty more WB. You’re basically trying to pretend that the economy suddenly changed under Trump. The fact is most of this latest economic expansion happened under Obama. That is a fact. Trump did greatly increase the deficit with tax cuts that also juiced some of the economic numbers but that’s all gone now. I suspect his economic numbers are going to be under water by November.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
You would make a great Soviet or Chinese Communist minister of propaganda, M E M.
Relative to the estimated 1 to 2 million estimated dead without the preventive measures Trump and his Coronavirus team enacted, the numbers would be a lot higher. If John Kerry or Obama, or Biden or Hillary were president, those numbers would be in the millions. Your side has made it clear they would have done nothing to stope travel from infected countries, nothing to secure our borders. They would have just let it happen. As Obama did in 2009 with H1N1/Swine Flu, where 60 million were infected, 375,000 hospitalized, 12,000 dead.
But please, go on with your lying talking points, that are in complete contradiction of the facts. While the U.S. has more in numbers, as a prroportion of our population the infection and deaths are lower. And it is precisely because the U.S. has done more testing that we have identified more cases that are confirmed to be Corvid-19/Wuhan Flu. While China, the nation responsible, hides its records of Covid-19, and hoarded medical equipment to further deprive the rest of the world of the ability to protect themselves against what the Chinese unleashed. That is quite telling, that they suppressed air travel in China, but allowed knowingly infected people to fly to and infect other nations. While witholding and hoarding medical supplies other nations needed!
IT IS CHINA that is responsible for this global pandemic, not just in the United States, but across over 180 nations. But you hate America so much, you would undermine our president who is doing his best to contain the damage.
I’m not sure what you’re calling a lie? The quote is accurate. Are you trying to say Trump didn’t say that? You seem to just be accusing me of lying because you don’t like the facts. I think you would actually make a great minister of propaganda for Trump. Your hatred of a free press and loyalty to Trump makes you a natural.
Honestly if Trump expected and depended China to be honest and transparent on this he was a fool. Nor do I believe he didn’t have an idea by March that things were truly under control. And since Trump failed to actually lead during this pandemic, it’s going to actually be the Govenors and lower levels of government that stepped up during the crisis. The guy who spent the pandemic playing it down early on and constantly misinforming isn’t the hero here. I can’t imagine the endless undeserved self praise Trump is doing really sits well outside his loyal supporters.
CNN)A new report on the Trump administration's missteps in the early days of the coronavirus' spread into the US was published in the New York Times on Saturday, detailing new instances showing how President Donald Trump ignored the warnings of his advisers about the lethal infectious disease approaching America's doorstep.
According to the report, Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Department of Health and Human Services, convened the White House coronavirus task force on February 21. During his meeting, the group conducted a mock-up exercise of the pandemic. It predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths. As a result, the group "concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation's economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans." However, it would take more than three weeks for Trump to enact social distancing guidelines on March 16. Two days after that meeting Kadlec learned of human-to-human transmission from asymptomatic individuals, the Times report states. But instead of immediately implementing mitigation steps, the President's focus turned to messaging.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, issued a warning that the virus would disrupt daily life. Trump canceled a meeting where mitigation efforts would be discussed. Instead, he appointed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the task force and funneled coronavirus messaging through him. There were also other administration officials who went on television saying the virus was contained. Over nearly three weeks from February 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226. Since then, more than half a million Americans have tested positive for the virus and authorities say hundreds of thousands more are likely infected. The Times also describes how Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had been briefing the President on the issue. Azar "briefed him about the potential seriousness of the virus" during a January 18 phone call. A few days later, in what appeared to be his first comments about the virus to the press, Trump told a reporter at Davos, "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine." On another call on January 30, Azar warned Trump of the possibility of a pandemic. Trump reportedly responded by saying Azar was being alarmist. ...
In China this reporting would never be allowed. Fortunately we have a free and independent press.
I’m not sure what you’re calling a lie? The quote is accurate. Are you trying to say Trump didn’t say that? You seem to just be accusing me of lying because you don’t like the facts. I think you would actually make a great minister of propaganda for Trump. Your hatred of a free press and loyalty to Trump makes you a natural.
A half-baked speculation from a media source that has been relentlessly been attacking Trump with similar unsourced allegations for over 3 years is NOT "accurate" or "facts". It is a hit job that alleges wrongdoing by Trump without any actual facts, just wild speculation by a newspaper source that has proven itself to be unrelentingly Democrat-partisan and hell-bent on trying to damage Trump. And really, to damage Republicans in general.
Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG M E M
Honestly if Trump expected and depended China to be honest and transparent on this he was a fool. Nor do I believe he didn’t have an idea by March that things were truly under control. And since Trump failed to actually lead during this pandemic, it’s going to actually be the Govenors and lower levels of government that stepped up during the crisis. The guy who spent the pandemic playing it down early on and constantly misinforming isn’t the hero here.
I still fail to see where either you or any of your sources have made a solid case for where Trump did anything wrong. As soon as the CDC came to him and said restaurants and businessess and schools needed to be closed, Trump issued an advisory to close them. In late January, both China and the World Health Organization were still saying the virus was not transmissible human-to-human (only animal-to-human). And we STILL don't have disclosure from China of how many were truly infected or died there.
Even so, Trump went against the best CDC advisors and shut down travel from China to the U.S. on Jan 31st. But it eventually spread to the U.S. anyway, from Europe.
And again, I don't see where any of these "news" sources who are editorializing now that Trump didn't act more quickly, were sounding the alarm in February and early March. Quite the opposite, the media were downplaying the threat, Democrats like N Y city mayor Deblasio, Cuomo, Schumer and Pelosi were downplaying the threat, even as they called Trump "racist" and "over-reacting" for the protective measures President Trump did take!
As I've cited multiple times, there are multiple layers of steps Trump took early on to protect the country that Democrats never would have done. And were in fact calling Trump "racist" and "over-reacting" for doing what they now criticize as Trump's alleged under-reaction.
The Democrat and liberal-media hypocrisy is on full display. And they have no credibility to flip 180 degrees now and say the opposite now of what they were saying not even a month ago. This is just the latest slander-fest to try and discredit Trump. And meanwhile, Democrats hold up funding that should already be helping 30 million working Americans who have been deprived of all income, just so Democrats can extort funding from Republicans for museums, NPR and PBS, sanctuary cities, and abortion clinics.
Democrats and the liberal media are eagerly parroting the Chinese communist party's talking points. Nice job.
CNN)A new report on the Trump administration's missteps in the early days of the coronavirus' spread into the US was published in the New York Times on Saturday, detailing new instances showing how President Donald Trump ignored the warnings of his advisers about the lethal infectious disease approaching America's doorstep.
According to the report, Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Department of Health and Human Services, convened the White House coronavirus task force on February 21. During his meeting, the group conducted a mock-up exercise of the pandemic. It predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths. As a result, the group "concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation's economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans." However, it would take more than three weeks for Trump to enact social distancing guidelines on March 16. Two days after that meeting Kadlec learned of human-to-human transmission from asymptomatic individuals, the Times report states. But instead of immediately implementing mitigation steps, the President's focus turned to messaging.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, issued a warning that the virus would disrupt daily life. Trump canceled a meeting where mitigation efforts would be discussed. Instead, he appointed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the task force and funneled coronavirus messaging through him. There were also other administration officials who went on television saying the virus was contained. Over nearly three weeks from February 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226. Since then, more than half a million Americans have tested positive for the virus and authorities say hundreds of thousands more are likely infected. The Times also describes how Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had been briefing the President on the issue. Azar "briefed him about the potential seriousness of the virus" during a January 18 phone call. A few days later, in what appeared to be his first comments about the virus to the press, Trump told a reporter at Davos, "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine." On another call on January 30, Azar warned Trump of the possibility of a pandemic. Trump reportedly responded by saying Azar was being alarmist. ...
In China this reporting would never be allowed. Fortunately we have a free and independent press.
First off, the New York Times is a paper that has made its holy mission to bring down Trump, and has multiple times reported unconfirmed sources that have blown up in their faces and hurt their credibility as a newspaper.
Second, I still don't see any specifics of anything that Trump did that quantifiably caused harm. Simultaneously, they ignore that N Y city mayor Deblasio, his health director, and other Democrat politicians were openly encouraging people in the New York area to "not be racist like Trump" and go out and socialize in Chinatown festivals and bars in New York city. Which JUST MIGHT be the reason that New York City is now experiencing the worst outbreaak of Covid-19 and deaths of ANY REGION IN THE WORLD!!!!!
But yeah, sure, blame it on Trump, who halted travel from China and stopped 20,000 potential Covid-19 infected people a day from entering the United States. Hindsight is 20-20, but the fact is, Trump did way more than any of his critics would have done. As their comments alleging he was racist and over-reacting for taking any preventive steps clearly demonstrates.
Democratic Michigan state lawmaker has credited President Trump's publicizing of the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine with saving her life after her health "plummeted" when she contracted coronavirus. State Rep. Karen Whitsett of Detroit told "The Ingraham Angle" on Monday that if it wasn't for Trump pushing the drug through the Food and Drug Administration's approval process for off-label use and touting it repeatedly during his daily press briefings, she may not have made it through the terrible contagion.
"I really want to say that you have to give this an opportunity," she said. "For me, it saved my life. I only can go by what it is that I have gone through and what my story is, and I can't speak for anyone else. So that's not what I'm trying to do here. I'm only speaking for myself." Whitsett said she went into home quarantine on March 12 -- the she day she last attended a session at the State House in Lansing -- and her health quickly deteriorated over the following week.
"It took the longest [time] for me to actually be able to get an appointment and getting with my doctor, which was the 18th of March, and then actually getting the COVID test," she said, adding that at first, she thought she had only contracted a bout of pneumonia and was put on the popular antibiotic drug amoxicillin. On March 31, Whitsett continued, she tested positive for coronavirus and her well-being "just plummeted."
"It went from the headaches being severe to fluid building up in my lungs, to sweats breaking out to the cough and my breathing being labored," she said. "It all happened in a matter of hours." When Whitsett did make it to the hospital, she found out about a state order prohibiting the use of hydroxychloroquine. The Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, under Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, had issued the order, only for the governor to retract it several days later. "I did have a difficult time, even that day, obtaining the medication because of an order that was put down in my state," said Whitsett. "And it was on that day so you can imagine how terrified I was that I had to beg and plead and go through a whole lot to try to get the medication."
"I did have a difficult time, even that day, obtaining the medication because of an order that was put down in my state," said Whitsett. "And it was on that day so you can imagine how terrified I was that I had to beg and plead and go through a whole lot to try to get the medication." Whitsett says that she has chronic Lyme disease and had heard of hydroxychloroquine but would not have thought of it as a potential coronavirus treatment if not for Trump's briefings.
"If President Trump had not talked about this it wouldn't have been something that would be accessible for anyone to be able to get right now," she said, adding that within a few hours of taking her prescription, she was feeling much better.
Despite what Trump says this drug does have some side effects that can be fatal and he’s lying when he says there is nothing to lose. This was something he should have let his experts handle instead of his usual load of misinformation.
CNN)A new report on the Trump administration's missteps in the early days of the coronavirus' spread into the US was published in the New York Times on Saturday, detailing new instances showing how President Donald Trump ignored the warnings of his advisers about the lethal infectious disease approaching America's doorstep.
According to the report, Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Department of Health and Human Services, convened the White House coronavirus task force on February 21. During his meeting, the group conducted a mock-up exercise of the pandemic. It predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths. As a result, the group "concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation's economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans." However, it would take more than three weeks for Trump to enact social distancing guidelines on March 16. Two days after that meeting Kadlec learned of human-to-human transmission from asymptomatic individuals, the Times report states. But instead of immediately implementing mitigation steps, the President's focus turned to messaging.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, issued a warning that the virus would disrupt daily life. Trump canceled a meeting where mitigation efforts would be discussed. Instead, he appointed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the task force and funneled coronavirus messaging through him. There were also other administration officials who went on television saying the virus was contained. Over nearly three weeks from February 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226. Since then, more than half a million Americans have tested positive for the virus and authorities say hundreds of thousands more are likely infected. The Times also describes how Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had been briefing the President on the issue. Azar "briefed him about the potential seriousness of the virus" during a January 18 phone call. A few days later, in what appeared to be his first comments about the virus to the press, Trump told a reporter at Davos, "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine." On another call on January 30, Azar warned Trump of the possibility of a pandemic. Trump reportedly responded by saying Azar was being alarmist. ...
In China this reporting would never be allowed. Fortunately we have a free and independent press.
First off, the New York Times is a paper that has made its holy mission to bring down Trump, and has multiple times reported unconfirmed sources that have blown up in their faces and hurt their credibility as a newspaper.
Second, I still don't see any specifics of anything that Trump did that quantifiably caused harm. Simultaneously, they ignore that N Y city mayor Deblasio, his health director, and other Democrat politicians were openly encouraging people in the New York area to "not be racist like Trump" and go out and socialize in Chinatown festivals and bars in New York city. Which JUST MIGHT be the reason that New York City is now experiencing the worst outbreaak of Covid-19 and deaths of ANY REGION IN THE WORLD!!!!!
But yeah, sure, blame it on Trump, who halted travel from China and stopped 20,000 potential Covid-19 infected people a day from entering the United States. Hindsight is 20-20, but the fact is, Trump did way more than any of his critics would have done. As their comments alleging he was racist and over-reacting for taking any preventive steps clearly demonstrates.
Ignoring his intelligence warning him of the pandemic certainly did cause harm. Apparently you seem to think a mayor who didn’t have access to the intelligence the POTUS did was supposed to make more informed decisions. Trump said nobody could have seen it coming. I think that is an obvious lie. He just made bad decisions and ignored his own intelligence. The one thing Trump did do earlier on is being way overblown. As I cited earlier Trump actually didn’t halt all travel from China. US citizens were not restricted. With such a contagious virus it was pretty foolish to somehow think the virus respected someone’s citizenship. It’s not a case of hindsight. It’s a case of an unfit leader and a nation paying a steeper price for it.
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In recent days, Mr. Trump has denied that he saw the memo at the time. But The Times report reveals that aides raised it with him at the time and that he was unhappy that Mr. Navarro had put his ideas in writing.
Despite what Trump says this drug does have some side effects that can be fatal and he’s lying when he says there is nothing to lose. This was something he should have let his experts handle instead of his usual load of misinformation.
More liberal media propaganda.
I see interviews with multiple doctors every day detailing their frustration over the Democrat-state resistance to Hydroxychloroquine, a medication that for them is proven to be effective in saving lives and even preventing patients from being hospitalized and ending up on a respirator. But clearly, Democrats like the Michigan governor would prefer to let people die rather than give credit to Trump for suggesting a medication that has been demonstrated to work.
As I cited in an earlier post, the foremost physician in the U.S. treating Lupus patients, who has treated thousands of Lupus patients in his 42 years, has prescribed hydrochloroquine for decades, and says he has never seen health-threatening side effects or hospitalization of a patient over Hydrochloroquine. And many of his patients have been prescribed hydrochloroquine for years, not just 5 days as is prescribed for Covid-19.
Further, there was a study I read where they asked doctors in 40 countries what they prescribed to treat Covid-19 patients, and overwhelmingly, 3,300 doctors said their treatment of choice is hydroxychloroquine. A French doctor with hundreds of Covid-19 patients expressed astonishment at the resistance to Hydroxychloroquine by [Democrat] officials in the U.S.
Something you would never guess at watching the Hydroxychloroquine fear-porn on CNN and MSNBC.
As I cited just a few posts above, a Michigan Democrat state representative said she was at death's door, and despite obstacles set up by the Michigan governor, fought like hell to get the drug, and made an immediate recovery. She said it was only because she saw Trump discussing it at one of his daily press conferences that she knew it existed and to request it. She credits President Trump with saving her life.
I don't expect to see that reported on CNN or MSNBC.
CNN)A new report on the Trump administration's missteps in the early days of the coronavirus' spread into the US was published in the New York Times on Saturday, detailing new instances showing how President Donald Trump ignored the warnings of his advisers about the lethal infectious disease approaching America's doorstep.
According to the report, Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Department of Health and Human Services, convened the White House coronavirus task force on February 21. During his meeting, the group conducted a mock-up exercise of the pandemic. It predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths. As a result, the group "concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation's economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans." However, it would take more than three weeks for Trump to enact social distancing guidelines on March 16. Two days after that meeting Kadlec learned of human-to-human transmission from asymptomatic individuals, the Times report states. But instead of immediately implementing mitigation steps, the President's focus turned to messaging.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, issued a warning that the virus would disrupt daily life. Trump canceled a meeting where mitigation efforts would be discussed. Instead, he appointed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the task force and funneled coronavirus messaging through him. There were also other administration officials who went on television saying the virus was contained. Over nearly three weeks from February 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226. Since then, more than half a million Americans have tested positive for the virus and authorities say hundreds of thousands more are likely infected. The Times also describes how Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had been briefing the President on the issue. Azar "briefed him about the potential seriousness of the virus" during a January 18 phone call. A few days later, in what appeared to be his first comments about the virus to the press, Trump told a reporter at Davos, "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine." On another call on January 30, Azar warned Trump of the possibility of a pandemic. Trump reportedly responded by saying Azar was being alarmist. ...
In China this reporting would never be allowed. Fortunately we have a free and independent press.
First off, the New York Times is a paper that has made its holy mission to bring down Trump, and has multiple times reported unconfirmed sources that have blown up in their faces and hurt their credibility as a newspaper.
Second, I still don't see any specifics of anything that Trump did that quantifiably caused harm. Simultaneously, they ignore that N Y city mayor Deblasio, his health director, and other Democrat politicians were openly encouraging people in the New York area to "not be racist like Trump" and go out and socialize in Chinatown festivals and bars in New York city. Which JUST MIGHT be the reason that New York City is now experiencing the worst outbreaak of Covid-19 and deaths of ANY REGION IN THE WORLD!!!!!
But yeah, sure, blame it on Trump, who halted travel from China and stopped 20,000 potential Covid-19 infected people a day from entering the United States. Hindsight is 20-20, but the fact is, Trump did way more than any of his critics would have done. As their comments alleging he was racist and over-reacting for taking any preventive steps clearly demonstrates.
Ignoring his intelligence warning him of the pandemic certainly did cause harm. Apparently you seem to think a mayor who didn’t have access to the intelligence the POTUS did was supposed to make more informed decisions. Trump said nobody could have seen it coming. I think that is an obvious lie. He just made bad decisions and ignored his own intelligence. The one thing Trump did do earlier on is being way overblown. As I cited earlier Trump actually didn’t halt all travel from China. US citizens were not restricted. With such a contagious virus it was pretty foolish to somehow think the virus respected someone’s citizenship. It’s not a case of hindsight. It’s a case of an unfit leader and a nation paying a steeper price for it.
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In recent days, Mr. Trump has denied that he saw the memo at the time. But The Times report reveals that aides raised it with him at the time and that he was unhappy that Mr. Navarro had put his ideas in writing.
This is from the same paper that tried to revive the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, a story that blew up in their faces when people quoted in the article went public and said "I never said this". And the other "confirming source" turned out to be a partisan Democrat lawyer with a grudge against Kavanaugh from when they clashed during the Whitewater speciaal investigation over 20 years ago.
That's on top of getting the Russia "Collusion" investigation wrong, the Mueller special investigation wrong, the Eric Ciaramella whistleblower/Ukraine story wrong, and many other stories from the New York Times over the last 3 years where they reported something, and it was proven to be completely false a day or two later, no sources, no facts, just another Democrat/liberal-media attack on the president. The N Y Times also alleged Fauci and Trump were clashing and parting ways when on one day Fauci was not onstage because of other commitments. No apologies or correction from the media. The N Y Times also alleged that Trump was infected with Covid-19, so Trump took a Covid-19, and Vice President Pence, to prove they were not infected. Then the media railed on how Trump had access to Covid-19 testing that most of America doesn't.
So once again, with no sources or facts, this is just another propaganda New York Times hit job.
Why are you so obsessed with slandering Trump? I think it's to hide the incompetence and hypocrisy in your own Democrat Bolshevik party. Who railed on Trump as "over-reacting" and "racist" for taking the preventive steps that he did, demonstrating that they the Democrats would do a lot less to protect the country if they had the White House. And after 2 months, Biden finally admitted that Trump made the right move Jan 31st by suspending all travel from China. Again, that was 20,000 potentially infected Chinese travellers a day who would have been entering the country.
Your Trump-misdirecting propaganda campaign also hides that Democrats like Cuomo, Deblasio and Pelosi were openly encouraging people to go to social festivals in New York and California where huge numbers were infected at a rate far higher than anywhere in the country. Why does New York have a higher infection rate than anywhere else in the world? THAT'S WHY.
Your lying propaganda campaign also hides that New York City since 1993, and especially since 9-11-2001, has been well known as the most sought-after islamic and bioterrorism target in the world, and in a 2015 report which I linked in an above post Gov. Andrew Cuomo was specifically warned that he was short several thousand respirators. But Cuomo ignored that report and spent money on green energy environmental projects instead, and now blames Trump for his own failure.
Your Democrat Bolshevik party, and the liberal media that beds with them, are completely reliant on deception, misdirection, and scapegoat demagoguery to re-direct the voters from their own incompetence, failures, and Bolshevik radicalism.
The New York Times is just another subservient wing of that propaganda beast. And that's why increasingly less of the public trusts the the N Y Times or any of the liberal media have to say. It was especially satisfying that the entire liberal media, and all but 2 major newspapers endorsed Hillary, and yet she lost in an electoral landslide. Despite that same liberal media's touting the unbreakable elecectoral "blue wall" that was supposed to guarantee Hillary Rodent Clinton'ss electoral victory. And the public trust in the media has far deteriorated since then. Three straign years of getting it wrong and being exposed as the partisan liars they are. How much less credibility now? Story after story after story, for 3 years, they've gotten it wrong.
CNN)A new report on the Trump administration's missteps in the early days of the coronavirus' spread into the US was published in the New York Times on Saturday, detailing new instances showing how President Donald Trump ignored the warnings of his advisers about the lethal infectious disease approaching America's doorstep.
According to the report, Dr. Robert Kadlec, the top disaster response official at the Department of Health and Human Services, convened the White House coronavirus task force on February 21. During his meeting, the group conducted a mock-up exercise of the pandemic. It predicted 110 million infections, 7.7 million hospitalizations and 586,000 deaths. As a result, the group "concluded they would soon need to move toward aggressive social distancing, even at the risk of severe disruption to the nation's economy and the daily lives of millions of Americans." However, it would take more than three weeks for Trump to enact social distancing guidelines on March 16. Two days after that meeting Kadlec learned of human-to-human transmission from asymptomatic individuals, the Times report states. But instead of immediately implementing mitigation steps, the President's focus turned to messaging.
Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, issued a warning that the virus would disrupt daily life. Trump canceled a meeting where mitigation efforts would be discussed. Instead, he appointed Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the task force and funneled coronavirus messaging through him. There were also other administration officials who went on television saying the virus was contained. Over nearly three weeks from February 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226. Since then, more than half a million Americans have tested positive for the virus and authorities say hundreds of thousands more are likely infected. The Times also describes how Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar had been briefing the President on the issue. Azar "briefed him about the potential seriousness of the virus" during a January 18 phone call. A few days later, in what appeared to be his first comments about the virus to the press, Trump told a reporter at Davos, "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine." On another call on January 30, Azar warned Trump of the possibility of a pandemic. Trump reportedly responded by saying Azar was being alarmist. ...
In China this reporting would never be allowed. Fortunately we have a free and independent press.
First off, the New York Times is a paper that has made its holy mission to bring down Trump, and has multiple times reported unconfirmed sources that have blown up in their faces and hurt their credibility as a newspaper.
Second, I still don't see any specifics of anything that Trump did that quantifiably caused harm. Simultaneously, they ignore that N Y city mayor Deblasio, his health director, and other Democrat politicians were openly encouraging people in the New York area to "not be racist like Trump" and go out and socialize in Chinatown festivals and bars in New York city. Which JUST MIGHT be the reason that New York City is now experiencing the worst outbreaak of Covid-19 and deaths of ANY REGION IN THE WORLD!!!!!
But yeah, sure, blame it on Trump, who halted travel from China and stopped 20,000 potential Covid-19 infected people a day from entering the United States. Hindsight is 20-20, but the fact is, Trump did way more than any of his critics would have done. As their comments alleging he was racist and over-reacting for taking any preventive steps clearly demonstrates.
Ignoring his intelligence warning him of the pandemic certainly did cause harm. Apparently you seem to think a mayor who didn’t have access to the intelligence the POTUS did was supposed to make more informed decisions. Trump said nobody could have seen it coming. I think that is an obvious lie. He just made bad decisions and ignored his own intelligence. The one thing Trump did do earlier on is being way overblown. As I cited earlier Trump actually didn’t halt all travel from China. US citizens were not restricted. With such a contagious virus it was pretty foolish to somehow think the virus respected someone’s citizenship. It’s not a case of hindsight. It’s a case of an unfit leader and a nation paying a steeper price for it.
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In recent days, Mr. Trump has denied that he saw the memo at the time. But The Times report reveals that aides raised it with him at the time and that he was unhappy that Mr. Navarro had put his ideas in writing.
This is from the same paper that tried to revive the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, a story that blew up in their faces when people quoted in the article went public and said "I never said this". And the other "confirming source" turned out to be a partisan Democrat lawyer with a grudge against Kavanaugh from when they clashed during the Whitewater speciaal investigation over 20 years ago.
That's on top of getting the Russia "Collusion" investigation wrong, the Mueller special investigation wrong, the Eric Ciaramella whistleblower/Ukraine story wrong, and many other stories from the New York Times over the last 3 years where they reported something, and it was proven to be completely false a day or two later, no sources, no facts, just another Democrat/liberal-media attack on the president. The N Y Times also alleged Fauci and Trump were clashing and parting ways when on one day Fauci was not onstage because of other commitments. No apologies or correction from the media. The N Y Times also alleged that Trump was infected with Covid-19, so Trump took a Covid-19, and Vice President Pence, to prove they were not infected. Then the media railed on how Trump had access to Covid-19 testing that most of America doesn't.
So once again, with no sources or facts, this is just another propaganda New York Times hit job.
Why are you so obsessed with slandering Trump? I think it's to hide the incompetence and hypocrisy in your own Democrat Bolshevik party. Who railed on Trump as "over-reacting" and "racist" for taking the preventive steps that he did, demonstrating that they the Democrats would do a lot less to protect the country if they had the White House. And after 2 months, Biden finally admitted that Trump made the right move Jan 31st by suspending all travel from China. Again, that was 20,000 potentially infected Chinese travellers a day who would have been entering the country.
Your Trump-misdirecting propaganda campaign also hides that Democrats like Cuomo, Deblasio and Pelosi were openly encouraging people to go to social festivals in New York and California where huge numbers were infected at a rate far higher than anywhere in the country. Why does New York have a higher infection rate than anywhere else in the world? THAT'S WHY.
Your lying propaganda campaign also hides that New York City since 1993, and especially since 9-11-2001, has been well known as the most sought-after islamic and bioterrorism target in the world, and in a 2015 report which I linked in an above post Gov. Andrew Cuomo was specifically warned that he was short several thousand respirators. But Cuomo ignored that report and spent money on green energy environmental projects instead, and now blames Trump for his own failure.
Your Democrat Bolshevik party, and the liberal media that beds with them, are completely reliant on deception, misdirection, and scapegoat demagoguery to re-direct the voters from their own incompetence, failures, and Bolshevik radicalism.
The New York Times is just another subservient wing of that propaganda beast. And that's why increasingly less of the public trusts the the N Y Times or any of the liberal media have to say. It was especially satisfying that the entire liberal media, and all but 2 major newspapers endorsed Hillary, and yet she lost in an electoral landslide. Despite that same liberal media's touting the unbreakable elecectoral "blue wall" that was supposed to guarantee Hillary Rodent Clinton'ss electoral victory. And the public trust in the media has far deteriorated since then. Three straign years of getting it wrong and being exposed as the partisan liars they are. How much less credibility now? Story after story after story, for 3 years, they've gotten it wrong.
Actually the Times story is sourced but they are anonymous. Also Trump has acknowledged at least part of it but says he never saw it. It would be pretty amazing that he had no briefings or intelligence warning him of a pandemic or steps to prepare for one prior to March. Trump has told so many lies he has zero credibility. Even quoting Trump on his actual lying on tape gets attacked as “fake media”. No, you can keep attacking me personally all you want WB but I will keep holding shitbag accountable. “I take no responsibility “ Trump needs to have his fat ass thrown out in November. And I think he owes everyone that has Covid a big hug before than.
We’re on the side of democracy WB. When a president says their authority is total that should bother everyone.
No, you (the Democrats) are parroting the lying talking points of China, and are therefore on China's side, against democracy and the American people. If Hillary Clinton were president, we'd have the predicted 2 million deaths, no travel bans (which your side, like the Chinese propaganda regard as "racist") and a wide open southern border to further spread the virus. Plus no pushback or negotiations against unfair trade practices and outright theft by China, and theey would have far surpassed us economically. Plus Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden and Biden's brother would have all cut huge billion-dollar dealss to enrich themselves, at the cost of the nation and U.S. taxpayers who would suffer for it. Your party is viciously anti-American, and only about proifiting off this nation's corpse. #JoeChina
There's plenty of pre-existing evidence of Biden and his family's 50 years of corrupt payoffs. And likewise Bill and Hillary Clinton. And Pelosi. And Harry Reid.
So in the middle of a pandemic Trump halts funding of WHO.
A World Health Organization headed by a corrupt leader bought and paid for and appointed to head the WHO by the Chinese government.
A WHO that didn't investigate the Wuhan Flu outbreak, that told us (on China's lying talking points) that Covid-19 was only transferrable animal-to-human, and not human-to-human, not a danger to the U.S. or the world. But it was. And the WHO head called Trump "racist" for implementing a travel ban on China, that turned out to be the right move that sheilded the U.S. from a much greater outbreak. At every stage, the WHO has offered the worldd no protection, and loyally fronted whatever lies the Chinese government was promoting.
As have the Democrats and the liberal media here in the U.S.
The **minimum** Trump should accept to restore funding for the WHO is the immediate resignation of their entire leadership, a full investigation and restructuring of the WHO, with new highly trusted medical experts appointed by the industrialized nations most impacted by the outbreak. I would actually prefer if those funds were moved to creating a U.S. pandemic response medical team, entirely controlled by and trusted by the government and people of the United States. Take that trust away from the corrupt U.N.
I increasingly think Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) should be replaced after this crisis too. They were unprepared for this crisis, despite that Fauci predicted this kind of a pandemic in a videotaped Jan 2017 conference speech, and yet did nothing to prepare for it. And Fauci was giving assurances that the U.S. was not in danger, and that U.S. nationals should be safe taking cruises as late as March 7th! And That Redfield is responsible for the delays in having an available test kit that prevented us from targeting and isolating these cases early. Five weeks later, we are still waiting for the tests. Fauci and Redfield have also delayed treatment on "untested" therapies like Hydroxychloroquine and Remdesivir, despite that these have been used for a month in Europe and elsewhere. There are 2,000 sample test patients dying every day, and as I said above, a majority doctors in 40 other nations have proven the effectiveness of these drugs in preventing death in almost 100% of cases. These guys are bureaucrats sitting on their hands, while Trump is pushing to implement these cures that have saved lives worldwide, and should be doing the same in greater numbers here in the U.S.
The CDC even funded viral studies in China, even as the Chinese were witholding information from the CDC. They are too chummy with the Chinese and WHO who betrayed us.
A month ago, this crisis emerged from China, slipping under the radar because of hidden and misleading information from the Chinese communist government and their paid stooges at the WHO. A month ago and now, Democrats and the liberal media are repeating the lying Chinese talking points verbatim. Making clear whose side they're on.
China expert Gordon Chang looks at the facts and comes to the conclusion that China knew how infectious and deadly this virus is, and purposely allowed the virus to leave China and infect the rest of the world, so that out of the wreckage China would emerge with greater hegemonic influence over the rest of the world.
Through the WHO, China tried to sucker the United States, but Trump didn't buy it and established a ban on travel from China. But through Europe, it was still later indirectly spread to the United States. While it appears the initial release of the Covid-19 virus was an accident, China cut their losses and weaponized it against the world. And used the China-subservient WHO to issue assurances to sucker the rest of the world. Despite that Taiwan researchers warned the WHO that the virus was highly contagious and lethal, due to Red China's influence, Taiwan was ignored and silenced by the WHO.
Some of the questions asked about various conspiracy theories are hilariously absurd. At first I thought some were dumb questions to even ask, but they are probably questions many are asking, even though they are not considered sophisticated questions. And sometimes what is at face absurd is actually what really happened. Such as Xi and a compliant WHO, that deliberately spread Covid-19 worldwide to 200 other nations, when they could have stopped it.
And the Democrats and liberal media are still aiding China's lying narrative, siding against the U.S., and against Trump. That is discussed by Chang as well.
I've known for a while that wages are rising rapidly in China, so even before coronavirus, and because of Chinese stealing of trade secrets from companies in China, and now because of the Covid-19 pandemic, jobs and businesses are leaving China and moving to other countries. An interesting look at the nations that are benefitting from the exodus of businesses away from China.
About 30 minutes ago, I saw aerial video footage (from a drone or helicopter) of protests outside the Minneapolis mayor's office, in protest to what they perceive as excessive restrictions with the stay-at-home orders. I don't know exactly where you live, M E M, but that's either your hometown or pretty close to home for you, right? And those protests are occurring all over the country, in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Texas...
It doesn't help these protesting people to take restrictive measures seriously when Democrat mayors and governors start playing partisan games, targeting their political opposition shutting down and fining churchgoers, while things like supermarkets or drugstores right across the street that would have roughly the same social distancing (or lack thereof) requirements stay open. And especially restriction of only gun stores and churches, while marijuana shops, liquor stores and abortion clinics remain open. That's pretty selective banning and social distancing of political groups these political leaders don't like.
Or where you can shop at, say a Wal-Mart or a Home Depot, where you're allowed to buy groceries and other items, but not tools or paint or lawn-seed in the same store! Regardless of politics, just arbitrary and confusing with no clear logic, just inconveniencing people. It's a formula for provoking angry mobs of protestors, for a governor or mayor to not even hear their complaints and explain, and outlaw redressing their grievances as a ":non-essential" activity. (That pesky First Amendment, soon to be replaced by the new authoritarian socialist order. If not already, it seems.)
And the Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer (on the short list to be Joseph Biden's token woman who might check the P.C. boxes to be his promised female Vice Presidential running mate) has really damaged herself politically with her condescending and defiant reaction to protests in Lansing, Michigan. Yesterday, Governor Whitmer defiantly said you can protest all you want, but I'm not lightening restrictions. That she's just ignoring the protests, no explaanation, no compromise. That is a remarkably tone-deaf response! A more responsible leader might agree to a private or televised meeting with some of the more eloquent protest leaders, and either compromise a little, or at least defend logically her restrictions. But what she's doing is pretty conssistent with past Democrats like Barack Obama ("people who cling to their guns and religion and their antipathy to people not like them..."), Hillary Clinton or Stacy Abrams or Andrew Gillum and other Dems, where if you disagree with my policy you're a moron, so just shut up and take it. They could listen and debate, or even compromise just a little.
But no. Let them eat cake.
Frankly I began sheltering at home weeks before there was an official order. But I'm sympathetic to those who either can't, or are offended by the apparent political motivation of the restrictions, or at least object to the inconsistent logic and brutal enforcement and fines. To the point that many Michigan police departments refuse to enforce or fine those not cooperating. No one should be fined $500 per person for having essentialy a drive-in church service in a parking lot, where they all stayed in their cars and listened to their pastor's broadcast on their individual car radios. They were not even given an initial warning, jus immediately given huge fines without the slightest advance notice of the new law, and one guy I cited earlier arrsted in a park right in front of his traumatized 6-year-old daughter.
That said, if I were to protest in the streets, I'd at least wear a protective mask and social distance. If I were leading these protests, I'd advise everyone protesting to not allow Dems and the liberal media to focus on anything other than the issues raised by the protest. But it could be argued that the protestors by not wearing protective masks and social-distancing are making the point that the threat is vastly exaggerated and just a way to control people. With 35,000 dead now (yesterday 2,500 in one day) I'm not willing to go along with that, but I concedethe point that far more people die of heart disease, car accidents, drunk driving deaths, drug overdoses, cancer and many other things, without a complete shutdown of society to prevent more deaths by these things. And at some point if not already, this complete shutdown will create a permanent loss of businesses, jobs, and ruined lives and careers, that will be very hard to replace later. We already have more unemployed now than during the worst years of the Great Depression. And that snowball continues to grow rolling down the mountain. I'm sincerely concerned about a resultant global economic collapse.
I'm convinced that Demcorats want this shutdown to last until it damages Trump badly enough that it prevents his re-election, their greatest motivation. But with Pelosi and Schumer obstructing aid to businesses and workers (two weeks ago, and again right now), that is quickly blowing up in their faces, not Trump's. I think Gov. Whitmer's lack of nuance and acting like an authoritarian defiant queen instead an elected leader has taken her off Biden's short list.
I'd also point out that European nations like Sweden, Denmark, Austria and Germany, many of them hit the same or worse than the United States, are likewise gradually or completely re-opening their businesses and schools.
But somehow it is considered blasphemous and "murdering people" (MSNBC, CNN) to consider the realities of needing to do so at some point in the United States.
At the daily Coronavirus press conference yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx cited that 33% of counties in the U.S. have not been affected by Covid-19 at all. And another large slice have not had a new Covid-19 case in 7 to 14 days. The federal government at the same press conference offered a 3-step advisory to states of how to gradually re-open their economies, on the precondition of a lack of new cases, and having the medical preparedness to contain new cases and potentially have a new shelter-at-home if a new outbreak were to occur. As cited in the above linked article, even West-coast Democrat governors, and even New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the hardest-hit state, are all looking toward re-opening their states' economies.
Dogs might join the good fight to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in humans–especially for those who are symptom free, according to a team of researchers.
Due to the urgent need of coronavirus testing, preparations to intensively train dogs to detect asymptomatic [carriers] of the virus have started and could be ready in six weeks, according to the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
“It’s [in the] very early stages,” says James Logan, head of LSHTM’s Department of Disease Control.
“We know diseases have odors — including respiratory diseases such as influenza — and that those odors are in fact quite distinct. There is a very, very good chance that Covid-19 has a specific odor, and if it does I am really confident that the dogs would be able to learn that smell and detect it.”
Dogs have a highly developed sense of smell and are able to sniff out subtle changes in skin temperature –they already are used to diagnosis various medical conditions in humans like malaria, diabetes, Parkinson’s disease and cancer.
The LSHTM has even trained Labradors and cocker spaniels to detect malaria–by sniffing.
“Our previous work demonstrated that dogs can detect odors from humans with a malaria infection with extremely high accuracy — above the World Health Organization standards for a diagnostic,” said Logan in a press release.
If the project is successful, dogs will be able supplement ongoing testing by screening for the virus accurately and could “triage” 250 people per hour– by the summer in England.
This is the second time I've seen this reported in 2 days.
We already have dogs that are trained to find drugs and explosives. Several years ago I saw a story about dogs being able to detect cancer in humans. Amid a lot of bad news, how cool is this?
About 30 minutes ago, I saw aerial video footage (from a drone or helicopter) of protests outside the Minneapolis mayor's office, in protest to what they perceive as excessive restrictions with the stay-at-home orders. I don't know exactly where you live, M E M, but that's either your hometown or pretty close to home for you, right? And those protests are occurring all over the country, in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Texas...
It doesn't help these protesting people to take restrictive measures seriously when Democrat mayors and governors start playing partisan games, targeting their political opposition shutting down and fining churchgoers, while things like supermarkets or drugstores right across the street that would have roughly the same social distancing (or lack thereof) requirements stay open. And especially restriction of only gun stores and churches, while marijuana shops, liquor stores and abortion clinics remain open. That's pretty selective banning and social distancing of political groups these political leaders don't like.
Or where you can shop at, say a Wal-Mart or a Home Depot, where you're allowed to buy groceries and other items, but not tools or paint or lawn-seed in the same store! Regardless of politics, just arbitrary and confusing with no clear logic, just inconveniencing people. It's a formula for provoking angry mobs of protestors, for a governor or mayor to not even hear their complaints and explain, and outlaw redressing their grievances as a ":non-essential" activity. (That pesky First Amendment, soon to be replaced by the new authoritarian socialist order. If not already, it seems.)
And the Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer (on the short list to be Joseph Biden's token woman who might check the P.C. boxes to be his promised female Vice Presidential running mate) has really damaged herself politically with her condescending and defiant reaction to protests in Lansing, Michigan. Yesterday, Governor Whitmer defiantly said you can protest all you want, but I'm not lightening restrictions. That she's just ignoring the protests, no explaanation, no compromise. That is a remarkably tone-deaf response! A more responsible leader might agree to a private or televised meeting with some of the more eloquent protest leaders, and either compromise a little, or at least defend logically her restrictions. But what she's doing is pretty conssistent with past Democrats like Barack Obama ("people who cling to their guns and religion and their antipathy to people not like them..."), Hillary Clinton or Stacy Abrams or Andrew Gillum and other Dems, where if you disagree with my policy you're a moron, so just shut up and take it. They could listen and debate, or even compromise just a little.
But no. Let them eat cake.
Frankly I began sheltering at home weeks before there was an official order. But I'm sympathetic to those who either can't, or are offended by the apparent political motivation of the restrictions, or at least object to the inconsistent logic and brutal enforcement and fines. To the point that many Michigan police departments refuse to enforce or fine those not cooperating. No one should be fined $500 per person for having essentialy a drive-in church service in a parking lot, where they all stayed in their cars and listened to their pastor's broadcast on their individual car radios. They were not even given an initial warning, jus immediately given huge fines without the slightest advance notice of the new law, and one guy I cited earlier arrsted in a park right in front of his traumatized 6-year-old daughter.
That said, if I were to protest in the streets, I'd at least wear a protective mask and social distance. If I were leading these protests, I'd advise everyone protesting to not allow Dems and the liberal media to focus on anything other than the issues raised by the protest. But it could be argued that the protestors by not wearing protective masks and social-distancing are making the point that the threat is vastly exaggerated and just a way to control people. With 35,000 dead now (yesterday 2,500 in one day) I'm not willing to go along with that, but I concedethe point that far more people die of heart disease, car accidents, drunk driving deaths, drug overdoses, cancer and many other things, without a complete shutdown of society to prevent more deaths by these things. And at some point if not already, this complete shutdown will create a permanent loss of businesses, jobs, and ruined lives and careers, that will be very hard to replace later. We already have more unemployed now than during the worst years of the Great Depression. And that snowball continues to grow rolling down the mountain. I'm sincerely concerned about a resultant global economic collapse.
I'm convinced that Demcorats want this shutdown to last until it damages Trump badly enough that it prevents his re-election, their greatest motivation. But with Pelosi and Schumer obstructing aid to businesses and workers (two weeks ago, and again right now), that is quickly blowing up in their faces, not Trump's. I think Gov. Whitmer's lack of nuance and acting like an authoritarian defiant queen instead an elected leader has taken her off Biden's short list.
I don’t think you were convinced to be honest. You have been reliable with whatever pro-Trump talking point is being used. The reality is yesterday Trump put out federal guidelines for reopening the economy. Today he tweeted support for those protesting against those very guidelines the governors are using for shelter in place. What exactly does Trump mean by liberate? We’re in the middle of a pandemic and we get that crap? If it were just the adult protesters risking their own health I honestly wouldn’t mind but I saw a lot of kids at that protest today. And health care workers are a chunk of the fatalities so far so it’s really upsetting to see so many stupid people pack in a crowd at the governor’s mansion risking so many others.
I don’t think you were convinced to be honest. You have been reliable with whatever pro-Trump talking point is being used. The reality is yesterday Trump put out federal guidelines for reopening the economy. Today he tweeted support for those protesting against those very guidelines the governors are using for shelter in place. What exactly does Trump mean by liberate?
That's a rather slanted accusation, that doessn't resemble what I actually said. I'm an independent thinker who happens to agree with Trump on a lot of issues, but on several occasions have questioned the logic of particcular Trump decisions, some f them pretty angrily, even earlier in this topic. I haven't been the slightest bit shy about voicing my opinion when I disagree with Trump.
Trump is not ordering the premature opening of the country, he is just laying out a general 3-phase national standard of criteria for 50 individual governors to open their states. And as I said just a post above, the DEMOCRAT governors of Washington, Oregon, and California, and even Gov Andrew Cuomo of the worst hit New York state, HAVE ALL EXPRESSED THE EXACT SAME DESIRE TO SET DOWN A TIMELINE FOR RE-OPENING THEIR STATES!
These Democrat governors you hold to a different standard, and don't don't seethe your irrational hate for these Democrats, despite that they have voiced THE EXACT SAME OPINION AND OBJECTIVES AS TRUMP.
Originally Posted By: M E M
We’re in the middle of a pandemic and we get that crap? If it were just the adult protesters risking their own health I honestly wouldn’t mind but I saw a lot of kids at that protest today. And health care workers are a chunk of the fatalities so far so it’s really upsetting to see so many stupid people pack in a crowd at the governor’s mansion risking so many others.
Again, I've been sheltering at home for 5 weeks, I clearly don't agree with them or advocate the same thing. And as I said above already, even if I did, I'd be out there with a protective face mask and personal-distancing, if only not to give Democrats like yourself a distraction from the real issue to deceitfully focus on. But at the same time, I at least see their point of view. Tucker Carlson on his show last night (Thursday, April 16th) looked at Sweden that has done none of the shelter-at-home measures that we have, and yet only has roughly the same number of cases (I would link to it for you, if the liberal censor Winston Smiths at Youtube hadn't already deleted it.) Carlson also cited in the same piece that Norway did a complete lockdown like we did, and yet Norway and Sweden have virtually the same number of hospitalizations and deaths.
I counter that by saying the purpose was to "flatten the curve", and dissenting from that POV that those vulnerable will die anyway, less infected the first month means less infected the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th 6th month, who might not get it at all for having avoided that first wave. But even if they get it later, as in the examples of hydroxychloroquine, or remdesevir drugs, if they get it a ew months later, they might have treatments to avoid severe illness, hospitalization or death in just a month or two. If Doctors find ways to vastly reduce or eliminate deaths of Covid-19/Wuhan Flu, that alone does a lot to reduce fear enough that people would no longer be afraid to go to jobs or restaurants, and I think at that point the economy would bounce back quickly.
So... I don't see where that is "reliable with whatever the Trump talking points are". I disagree with these protestors, but I don't see where what I said aligns with either what Trump is saying, or what the protestors are saying. I think it's a fact that if you can shop at a Michigan or Minnesota Walmart and buy groceries, it doesn't make sense that it creates more of a danger if you buy paint or lawn-seed in the same store while there. Or that you're infecting people by being one of 20 separate carss in a parking lot listing to aa pastor's radio broadcast on your car stereo, to the point that it warrants being arrested or getting a $500 fine with no prior warnings of that law.
Or that you can't do either of the 2 aabove things, or go to a retail gun store, but you can go to a marijuaana shop, or a liquor store, or an abortion clinic. How are any of those any less risky? Except that these are conservative actiuvities and businesses, that a Democrat governor shuts down, while leaving the liberal businesses and activities open. And both alcohol and marijuana lower immunity and increase risk of Covid-19 infection.
Amid your irrational hate, strain yourself to come up with a logical and consistent answer.
Hong Kong (CNN Business) — Half of the world's countries have approached the International Monetary Fund for emergency loans to weather the financial crisis sparked by the global coronavirus pandemic. More than 100 countries so far have asked for emergency assistance, Kristalina Georgieva, IMF's managing director, told a meeting of G20 finance ministers and central bank governors on Wednesday.
She said the IMF is ready to use its "full toolbox and $1 trillion firepower" of lending capacity, noting that 10 countries have so far received emergency funding, and half of the remaining countries should receive their requested financial lifelines by the end of April. Georgieva's comments come after the fund issued a stark warning that the global economy is on track for the deepest downturn since the 1930s and governments and health officials must work together to prevent an even worse outcome.
The IMF head said "everything is on the table in terms of measures we can take," and encouraged central banks to "spend as much as you can." "But keep the receipts," she added. "We don't want accountability and transparency to take a back seat in this crisis."
In an interview with CNBC, the IMF chief acknowledged that the fund has a reputation for imposing tough conditions on countries seeking bailouts. But this time, "we are asking for one thing only: Please pay your doctors and nurses, make sure that your health systems are functioning, and that your vulnerable people and first [responders] are protected," Georgieva told the network.
The IMF said on Tuesday that it expects global GDP will contract by 3% in 2020, a far worse recession than the one that followed the global financial crisis of 2008, and a 180-degree reversal of its previous forecast in January when it was expecting growth of 3.3% this year. The fund said there is a risk of the recession extending into 2021 if policymakers fail to coordinate a global response to the virus.
The entire world is at the brink of economic collapse. The nation to blame for that is China.
I wonder how M E M will twist this to make it somehow all Trump's fault.
In all seriousness, when will the Democrats finally set aside their Bolshevik propaganda and "never let a crisis go to waste" insurrectionist games, and begin to seriously address what's happening, in the U.S. and in the world?
While Youtube leaves it up, Ingraham explores some of the paradoxes of what is officially reported in the first 25 minutes of the show.
A month ago: don't wear masks. Now: it's absolutely necessary to wear a mask when you're in public. (The public was lied to, so that masks would be available for hospital medical workers treating Covid-19 patients. )
We were sheltered-at-home to flatten the curve. Now that the curve iss flattened to way less cases than was initially projected (from 1 to 2.5 million, down to 100,000-250,000, down now to a maximum 60,000 projected. ) But now many governors, mostly Democrat governors, want to shut down the country indefinitely. Tucker Carlson in his Thursday and Friday programs makes the point that it is logical to let those least at risk go back to work, and only shelter those most at risk, the elderly and immune-compromised. There are currently more unemployed now than in the worst years of the Great Depression (although as a percentage of population, it is currently lower, but unemployment and business closures are rising fast.)
I frankly think the strategy by Democrats is to stall the economy and hurt Trump politically for as long as possible. Likewise in the section 20 minutes in, with the Republican Texas governor, where Democrats are doing nothing (for the second time in two weeks!) stalling legislation that would give aid to about 23 million families who have been completely deprived of income and grocery money. Democrats are deliberately creating chaos, because they think it benefits them politically.
As detailed on Tucker Carlson Thursday night, he cited that in Sweden where they are not sheltering and closing businesses, they have proportionately the same ratio of hospitalizations as the U.S. And likewise, the same as Norway right next door, that is sheltering and closing businesses. And that Austria, Denmark and Germany are planning to re-open schools and other businesses. So while Dems resist any move in that direction, it has to be done (carefully, of course) at some point. Before the entire economic system, and interconnected global economic system, collapses.
As I cited above, half the nations on earth are begging for loans from the IMF, before their nations collapse. The U.S. likewise has the same vulnerability, and thus has to balance economic survival with virus containment. South Korea has shown the way, never having shut down their economy, instead focusing vigorously on testing and locking down new reported cases and their contacts only, not their entire society.
To me the game-changer is when they discover effective treatment that stops the deaths, so the virus becomes inconvenient but not life-threatening. They are having effective results with new treatments such as 1) Hydroxychloroquine, 2) Remdesivir, and 3) blood plasm from revovered patients, to inject blood plasm with antibodies into the sick, to teach their own blood how to make and mass-produce antibodies.
So hopefully in the next 4 weeks or less, the tide will turn, and a majority of those hospitalized will recover instead of dying, with therapies that didn't exist a month ago.
Tucker Carlson last night (Friday, April 17th) detailed the origins of the outbreak in China and cover-up, their propaganda campaign to attack Trump through their agents and friendly Democrat officials in the U.S., and inteviewing Dr. Marc Siegel, talks about some of the emerging effective therapies for treating Covid-19, including Remdesivir, blood plasma with antibodies from recovered patients, and Hydroxychloroquine. And "non-essential surgeries" being cancelled such as hip replacement, knee replacement, cancer removal surgery, and dental work. Which left untreated, could become life-threatening. These are "non-essential". But abortions in states like Michigan are given priority and still being done, as "essential", by Governor Whitmer. Who by the way, also was blocking the use of Hydroxychloroquine to save the lives of Covid-19 patients in Michigan until recently.
Over the last two years, my mother had 3 hospital visits and surgeries, a hip replacement and a knee replacement. Speaking to her on the phone last night, I discussed with her how lucky she is that she got all that out of the way, about 6 months before all this Covid-19 outbreak and "non-essential surgeries" cancellations began.
I don’t think you were convinced to be honest. You have been reliable with whatever pro-Trump talking point is being used. The reality is yesterday Trump put out federal guidelines for reopening the economy. Today he tweeted support for those protesting against those very guidelines the governors are using for shelter in place. What exactly does Trump mean by liberate?
That's a rather slanted accusation, that doessn't resemble what I actually said. I'm an independent thinker who happens to agree with Trump on a lot of issues, but on several occasions have questioned the logic of particcular Trump decisions, some f them pretty angrily, even earlier in this topic. I haven't been the slightest bit shy about voicing my opinion when I disagree with Trump.
Trump is not ordering the premature opening of the country, he is just laying out a general 3-phase national standard of criteria for 50 individual governors to open their states. And as I said just a post above, the DEMOCRAT governors of Washington, Oregon, and California, and even Gov Andrew Cuomo of the worst hit New York state, HAVE ALL EXPRESSED THE EXACT SAME DESIRE TO SET DOWN A TIMELINE FOR RE-OPENING THEIR STATES!
These Democrat governors you hold to a different standard, and don't don't seethe your irrational hate for these Democrats, despite that they have voiced THE EXACT SAME OPINION AND OBJECTIVES AS TRUMP.
Originally Posted By: M E M
We’re in the middle of a pandemic and we get that crap? If it were just the adult protesters risking their own health I honestly wouldn’t mind but I saw a lot of kids at that protest today. And health care workers are a chunk of the fatalities so far so it’s really upsetting to see so many stupid people pack in a crowd at the governor’s mansion risking so many others.
Again, I've been sheltering at home for 5 weeks, I clearly don't agree with them or advocate the same thing. And as I said above already, even if I did, I'd be out there with a protective face mask and personal-distancing, if only not to give Democrats like yourself a distraction from the real issue to deceitfully focus on. But at the same time, I at least see their point of view. Tucker Carlson on his show last night (Thursday, April 16th) looked at Sweden that has done none of the shelter-at-home measures that we have, and yet only has roughly the same number of cases (I would link to it for you, if the liberal censor Winston Smiths at Youtube hadn't already deleted it.) Carlson also cited in the same piece that Norway did a complete lockdown like we did, and yet Norway and Sweden have virtually the same number of hospitalizations and deaths.
I counter that by saying the purpose was to "flatten the curve", and dissenting from that POV that those vulnerable will die anyway, less infected the first month means less infected the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th 6th month, who might not get it at all for having avoided that first wave. But even if they get it later, as in the examples of hydroxychloroquine, or remdesevir drugs, if they get it a ew months later, they might have treatments to avoid severe illness, hospitalization or death in just a month or two. If Doctors find ways to vastly reduce or eliminate deaths of Covid-19/Wuhan Flu, that alone does a lot to reduce fear enough that people would no longer be afraid to go to jobs or restaurants, and I think at that point the economy would bounce back quickly.
So... I don't see where that is "reliable with whatever the Trump talking points are". I disagree with these protestors, but I don't see where what I said aligns with either what Trump is saying, or what the protestors are saying. I think it's a fact that if you can shop at a Michigan or Minnesota Walmart and buy groceries, it doesn't make sense that it creates more of a danger if you buy paint or lawn-seed in the same store while there. Or that you're infecting people by being one of 20 separate carss in a parking lot listing to aa pastor's radio broadcast on your car stereo, to the point that it warrants being arrested or getting a $500 fine with no prior warnings of that law.
Or that you can't do either of the 2 aabove things, or go to a retail gun store, but you can go to a marijuaana shop, or a liquor store, or an abortion clinic. How are any of those any less risky? Except that these are conservative actiuvities and businesses, that a Democrat governor shuts down, while leaving the liberal businesses and activities open. And both alcohol and marijuana lower immunity and increase risk of Covid-19 infection.
Amid your irrational hate, strain yourself to come up with a logical and consistent answer.
To be clear the Governors are following the federal guidelines that Trump is basically playing both ways. The last couple of days conservative groups have organized protests against the governors for following those federal guidelines. Yesterday I watched such a packed crowd around my governor’s mansion while shitbag tweeted about liberating MN. In a middle of a highly contagious pandemic that’s the leadership Trump offers. That crosses over into just being evil. These governors have had to do a lot of heavy lifting and making quick decisions during this pandemic. I know my governor unlike Trump does take responsibility for his decisions. The deaths weigh on him as do the economic costs. And yes some decisions on what was closed can be debated and changed. Governor Walz initially didn’t allow lawn care as being essential. At the time we still had snow for most of the state so it really was a non factor but he’s changed that so it’s essential now. I think what you’ll see is a shift to opening things up via curbside service for stores that had to shut down previously and other ways to open things up without risking spreading coronavirus.
Sweden has not shut down their country but they have some cultural differences and a lot stronger welfare system that we do not. Prior to this pandemic, if I was sick I still went to work as most people do in this country. In Sweden that doesn’t happen apparently. People stay home if their sick there. Also it appears that not wearing masks in public during a pandemic is really socially frowned upon. It will be interesting to see what the end result is for them but it could be a case of that many of the things you oppose ideologically are helping that country during a pandemic. Other countries that seem to be faring better also have strong welfare states and did shut things down quickly.
When you use that kind of rhetoric, M E M, YOU are the "shitbag". I've detailed at length all the things that Trump has done to protect the country that no other president would have done. If Obama or Hillary or Biden were president now, tha casualties would be in the millions, as originally estimated.
Your side that exonerates the TRUE architects of this genocide, the Chinese are the ones who are demonstrably evil. They side with murderous communist propagandists against our own country. And in the examples of Joseph Biden and son Hunter Biden and the Clintons, are paid off well in the tens of millions for betraying us.
If your party had the presidency, we would be doomed. With your party having the slightest shred of power, they are doing their best to undermine and destroy us anyway, through their obstruction, inaction, and pro-China propaganda.
I didn't see specifics listed for the "welfare states" that are allegedly saving the day in European populations. Italy, Germany, Spain, and France suffered terribly and had huge losses. "Herd immunity" was attempted in Britain, and then aborted because of massing losses. The "welfare state" approach was just to let the virus run wild and run its course through the population. Early on, Merkel in Germany estimated that at least 80% fo the population would get the virus. The only saving grace in Germany is that they early on ordered tens of thousands of ventilator machines for those anticipated to be hospitalized, and even so, were nearly overwhelmed. Alone among European nations, Germany had high hospitalizations but few deaths. In Spain, a princess of the royal family was among those who died. None of that sounds like salvation by the welfare state to me.
Originally Posted By: M E M
To be clear the Governors are following the federal guidelines that Trump is basically playing both ways.
That's a flatout lie. Trump didn't order any state to arrest a man for playing ball in a park with his 6 year old daughter, or to fine Christians $500 each for congregating in a parking lot in separate cars to listen to their pastor's radio broadcast. Or to release prisoners to rob, while closing gun shops so residents can't exercise their 2nd Amendment right to defend themselves. Or to selectively close those conservative businesses, while leaving open liquor stores, Marijuana shops, and abortion clinics. Trump didn't order Governor Whitmer of Michigan to buy some things in a store, but not allow them to buy lawn-seed or paint. If they were in shelter-at-home, these purchases would allow them to pass the time at home doing repairs and home improvements. It was Democrat governors who arbitrarily decided on these conservative-targeting over-reaches, NOT on Trump's orders, but exerting Democrat over-reaches that stirred rebellion against Trump's guidelines.
Originally Posted By: M E M
The last couple of days conservative groups have organized protests against the governors for following those federal guidelines.
No, that's a lie and a distortion. The protests were against arbitrary, excessive and partisan over-reaches, NOT against the federal guidelines themselves. As I've made clear in detail where the two separate.
No I’m calling Trump a shitbag for specific shitbaggy things he does He’s lied often during this pandemic, takes no responsibility and is now inciting his supporters to break the social distancing that his administration has for guidelines. I see his poll numbers back down while many governors numbers going up. And I think it was always foolish to trust China to be transparent. It was stupid of Trump to gush so much about China’s help early on while at the same time attacking the media for overhyping the threat of coronavirus.
And Trump tweeted “liberate MN” and I don’t see Gov Walz being that draconian in his shelter in place. That was just disgusting of Trump to do. I would also point out Michigan is one of the hardest hit states with coronavirus. That governor like the others are trying to reduce deaths with these temporary shelter in place measures. Not all of these quickly enacted measures make sense but those that refuse to practice social distancing measures while protesting are making things worse. Operation Gridlock actually ended up blocking access to hospital. Trump needs to stfu but instead he’s inciting this crap.
I would also point out that the governor in Mississippi explicitly spoke out against local overreaction like with the 500 fines for churchgoers in a parking lot. Governor denounces crackdown on churches
Quote:
“Don’t trample the Constitution,” he said.
But the governor also had some advice for congregations across the Magnolia State — be prudent.
“I’ve asked all pastors not to hold these services, but we ordered churches safe from these outrageous actions,” he said. “Please use sense, everybody.”
Looks to me like blaming the Governor is misplaced here.
No I’m calling Trump a shitbag for specific shitbaggy things he does He’s lied often during this pandemic, takes no responsibility and is now inciting his supporters to break the social distancing that his administration has for guidelines. I see his poll numbers back down while many governors numbers going up. And I think it was always foolish to trust China to be transparent. It was stupid of Trump to gush so much about China’s help early on while at the same time attacking the media for overhyping the threat of coronavirus.
You're calling Trump a shitbag because YOU are a shitbag.
I've disagreed and showed open hostility toward the Obamas and the Clintons for years, but I've specified the policy and marxist/anti-American ideology I disagreed with. The closest I've come to the vulgar insults you unleash on Trump is nicknames that were specific to their poisonous barely-hidden Marxist ideology, such as Comerade Obama.
Whereas you wildly speculate that Trump did things wrong, way before there is any proof that Trump did anything wrong. What you and your fellow Bolshevik propagandists engage in is a slander campaign, aimed aat undermining and smearing the president, in the complete absence of any supporting facts.
Never during any crisis during Obama or Bill Clinton's presidencies did reporters snottily ask "Are you personally responsible?" Despite many occurences where Obama **WAS** personally responsible: Benghazi and the surrounding Obama lies and false narratives, Lois Lerner/IRS weaponized against conservatives, H1N1/Swine Flu, the "Fast and Furious" ATF selling guns to Mexican cartels who killed dozens including a U.S. Border agent, Obama policy that never exceeded 2% at most annual growth any of his 8 years. Obama endorsing Black Lives Matter and other radicals, who he even invited to the White House (which would be akin to Trump inviting the KKK leadership to the White House, that never happened, but the media attacks Trump as if he did, while ignoring the endorsement of violent racists by Obama and the Democrats!)
And that's just for openers.
The Bolshevik propagandists on your side constantly spin Trump statements as "lies" just to hurt him. The lack of availability of tests is a CDC failure, not a Trump failure. And it woudl exist if Obama or Hillary or Biden were president instead of Trump. The lack of alarm over the Covid-19 epidemic in China was aa failure of CDC officiaals like Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) who were far too trusing of China and the WHO. Fauci as recently as March 9th was still on television telling Americans not be concerned that the Cina outbreak would affect us, that Americans could still go on a cruise ship! Thaat didn't end well. Trump is the one who took over a CDC depleted under Obama of PPE and not replenished for the next pandemic. Trump is the one who initiated travel bans (AGAINST the advice of Fauci and Redfield) and Trump secured the border as no one else would, despite Democrat obstruction and slander at every turn. Trump engaged in hardball negotiations and a trade war with China in the year leading up to the Wuhan outbreak, that vastly diminishyed our dependence on China as a supplier. The Boshevik liars you side with and worship will NEVER NEVER NEVER acknowledge these achievements by Trump, that NO ONE on your side woudl have done, and likely no other Republicans would have done. Trump deserves enormous credit, and instead you slander him without evidence, or very slanted and distorted evidence at best.
And Trump tweeted “liberate MN” and I don’t see Gov Walz being that draconian in his shelter in place. That was just disgusting of Trump to do. I would also point out Michigan is one of the hardest hit states with coronavirus. That governor like the others are trying to reduce deaths with these temporary shelter in place measures. Not all of these quickly enacted measures make sense but those that refuse to practice social distancing measures while protesting are making things worse. Operation Gridlock actually ended up blocking access to hospital. Trump needs to stfu but instead he’s inciting this crap.
Again, that explains itself, despite your distortions. Democrat governors took the over-reaches I've detailed REPEATEDLY, that had nothing to do with public safety, arbitrarily closing businesses and limiting churches, gun stores and other businesses, while leaving open liquor stores, marijuana shops, and abortion clinics. As I detailed sourcing Tucker Carlson, people with "elective surgeries" such as hip and knee replacement were denied service, while abortions were permitted. That's not about pandemic containment, that's about Democrat partisan politics and authoritarian over-reach and selected targeting of conservatives. Not Democrat governors "enforcing Trump's orders", but instead Democrat governors who are twisting and distorting those guidelines to the point of turning the public against cooperating with the more pragmatic measures recommended by Trump.
I've detailed the excesses of the Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer's quarantine policies. And I have family in Lansing, Michigan.
I would also point out that the governor in Mississippi explicitly spoke out against local overreaction like with the 500 [dollar] fines for churchgoers in a parking lot. Governor denounces crackdown on churches
Quote:
“Don’t trample the Constitution,” he said.
But the governor also had some advice for congregations across the Magnolia State — be prudent.
“I’ve asked all pastors not to hold these services, but we ordered churches safe from these outrageous actions,” he said. “Please use sense, everybody.”
Looks to me like blaming the Governor is misplaced here.
That's still a distortion. These were not 50 or 100 people meeting in a church where they could infect each other. It was 20 separate cars meeting in a parking lot and listening to their pastor's broadcast together on their car radios.
It's still a case of excessive crackdown on Christians, while other residents are free to potentially infect others in liquor stores or marijuana shops. I think the governor only distanced himself from the $500 fines because of the public backlash. But at least he did demounce the fines and crackdown on churches.
Again, I choose to stay at home and would not do what these people did, but I still understand and respect protestors' point of view that it is not a uniform enforcement of shelter-at-home and business closings. That seems to be Democrat governors targeting their conservative opposition for selective enforcement, that even a number of Michigan sheriffs said they think is unjust and they will not enforce. I would imagine the same is true of law enforcement in Mississippi.
I would also point out that the governor in Mississippi explicitly spoke out against local overreaction like with the 500 [dollar] fines for churchgoers in a parking lot. Governor denounces crackdown on churches
Quote:
“Don’t trample the Constitution,” he said.
But the governor also had some advice for congregations across the Magnolia State — be prudent.
“I’ve asked all pastors not to hold these services, but we ordered churches safe from these outrageous actions,” he said. “Please use sense, everybody.”
Looks to me like blaming the Governor is misplaced here.
That's still a distortion. These were not 50 or 100 people meeting in a church where they could infect each other. It was 20 separate cars meeting in a parking lot and listening to their pastor's broadcast together on their car radios.
It's still a case of excessive crackdown on Christians, while other residents are free to potentially infect others in liquor stores or marijuana shops. I think the governor only distanced himself from the $500 fines because of the public backlash. But at least he did demounce the fines and crackdown on churches.
Again, I choose to stay at home and would not do what these people did, but I still understand and respect protestors' point of view that it is not a uniform enforcement of shelter-at-home and business closings. That seems to be Democrat governors targeting their conservative opposition for selective enforcement, that even a number of Michigan sheriffs said they think is unjust and they will not enforce. I would imagine the same is true of law enforcement in Mississippi.
The actual distortion would be you blaming governors in this instance where a mayor actually was responsible. I think you want the one thing to be true and so it really doesn’t matter that the governor explicitly condemned that action. As for things not being uniform, these shelter in place orders had to be quickly done.
And Trump tweeted “liberate MN” and I don’t see Gov Walz being that draconian in his shelter in place. That was just disgusting of Trump to do. I would also point out Michigan is one of the hardest hit states with coronavirus. That governor like the others are trying to reduce deaths with these temporary shelter in place measures. Not all of these quickly enacted measures make sense but those that refuse to practice social distancing measures while protesting are making things worse. Operation Gridlock actually ended up blocking access to hospital. Trump needs to stfu but instead he’s inciting this crap.
Again, that explains itself, despite your distortions. Democrat governors took the over-reaches I've detailed REPEATEDLY, that had nothing to do with public safety, arbitrarily closing businesses and limiting churches, gun stores and other businesses, while leaving open liquor stores, marijuana shops, and abortion clinics. As I detailed sourcing Tucker Carlson, people with "elective surgeries" such as hip and knee replacement were denied service, while abortions were permitted. That's not about pandemic containment, that's about Democrat partisan politics and authoritarian over-reach and selected targeting of conservatives. Not Democrat governors "enforcing Trump's orders", but instead Democrat governors who are twisting and distorting those guidelines to the point of turning the public against cooperating with the more pragmatic measures recommended by Trump.
I've detailed the excesses of the Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer's quarantine policies. And I have family in Lansing, Michigan.
We’re in a middle of a pandemic. Trump tweeting crap like that is inexcusable. He’s encouraging these protesters to break the social distancing he supposedly supports. I watched kids in that mob in MN. A lot of healthcare workers have died taking care of infected people. How many more die because of these protests? I know Trump takes no responsibility for anything but my governor actually does feel personally accountable. The deaths weigh on him as do the lives being upended from the economic shutdown.
The actual distortion would be you blaming governors in this instance where a mayor actually was responsible. I think you want the one thing to be true and so it really doesn’t matter that the governor explicitly condemned that action. As for things not being uniform, these shelter in place orders had to be quickly done.
Total horshit. The Mississippi governor only disowned it when it got bad press. That at best gets a factcheck "half-true".
And certainly in Michigan, Democrat governor Gretchen Whitmer's quarantine policies are completely hers, no one else's. Likewise the Democrat governors in multiple states that have vindictively cracked down on churches and gun shops, while leaving open marijuaana shops and liquor stores right across the street, as well as retail stores, where people could just as easily spread infection as in a church. And these same Democrat governors ban "elective surgeries" that are pretty damn vital, such as hip replacement and knee replacement (where those immobilized without the surgery could develop blood clots resulting in heart attack or stroke from forced inactivity, to say nothing of enduring unnecessary pain over the year or so those surgeries are delayed), but simultaneously Democrat governors arbitrarily label abortion surgery "essential".
Those are clear examples of Democrat authoritarian over-reach trampling on civil rights. Absolutely no mistake.
And not just in Michigan, but in multiple Democrat-controlled states, Colorado, New Jersey, Kentucky, Virginia, on and on. By Democrat authoritarian prick governors.
And Trump tweeted “liberate MN” and I don’t see Gov Walz being that draconian in his shelter in place. That was just disgusting of Trump to do. I would also point out Michigan is one of the hardest hit states with coronavirus. That governor like the others are trying to reduce deaths with these temporary shelter in place measures. Not all of these quickly enacted measures make sense but those that refuse to practice social distancing measures while protesting are making things worse. Operation Gridlock actually ended up blocking access to hospital. Trump needs to stfu but instead he’s inciting this crap.
Again, that explains itself, despite your distortions. Democrat governors took the over-reaches I've detailed REPEATEDLY, that had nothing to do with public safety, arbitrarily closing businesses and limiting churches, gun stores and other businesses, while leaving open liquor stores, marijuana shops, and abortion clinics. As I detailed sourcing Tucker Carlson, people with "elective surgeries" such as hip and knee replacement were denied service, while abortions were permitted. That's not about pandemic containment, that's about Democrat partisan politics and authoritarian over-reach and selected targeting of conservatives. Not Democrat governors "enforcing Trump's orders", but instead Democrat governors who are twisting and distorting those guidelines to the point of turning the public against cooperating with the more pragmatic measures recommended by Trump.
I've detailed the excesses of the Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer's quarantine policies. And I have family in Lansing, Michigan.
We’re in a middle of a pandemic. Trump tweeting crap like that is inexcusable. He’s encouraging these protesters to break the social distancing he supposedly supports. I watched kids in that mob in MN. A lot of healthcare workers have died taking care of infected people. How many more die because of these protests? I know Trump takes no responsibility for anything but my governor actually does feel personally accountable. The deaths weigh on him as do the lives being upended from the economic shutdown.
Ahh, blame it on Trump.... again. Your kneejerk partisan tendency.
People would be far more willing to comply with shelter-at-home orders, if Demcorat governors were not aabusing their power and selectively targeting conservatives so blatantly, in the many examples I've already given. If there were consistency and logic that Democrat governors like Gretchen Whitmer and Walz were willing to explain to their citizen protestors, and that their own law enforcement are saying they will not enforce because of its clear over-reach and inconsistent logic, maybe citizens would be more willing to comply.
Perhaps if you weren't relying exclusively on liberal media to reinforce your beliefs, you'd see there were two random Covi-119 testings done in Santa Clara county (San Francisco bay area) , and in Los Angeles county, both showing that Covid-19 antibodies show between 50 to 80 times more people were infected with Covid-19 than previously believed, and that over 50% of those cases showed no symptoms. So that means the ratio of severe illness or death is far lower than initially believed.
Further, the whole idea of the quarantine and "flattening the curve" was to prevent our medical hospitals from being overwhelmed by more patients than could possibly be cared for, as ocurred in China, Italy, and Spain. Where there were so many patient that in cases where lives could have been saved, there was a lack of staff and ventilators, and hospital staff had to basically do "triage" like a battlefield, and choose who they would save, who was most likely to warrant the effort and resources expend on saving. But...
In the last 2 months under Donald Trump's leadership, he first set up travel bans to delay the spread in the U.S. And then he has stockpiled ventilatorss and other PPE (personal protection equipment), and set up emergency hospitals in every affected area that has put in place medial capability far beyond the high point of the pandemic patients, and still stands ready to care for those infected. Further, the lowered number of patients has allowed development of new drugs and better understanding of how to treat the virus, such as 1) blood serum antibodies taken from recovered Covid-19 patients, to inject into seriously ill patients that has allowed many to recover, 2) hydroxychloroquine and 3) remdesivir, among other therapies. So homefully in a month or two, even the most life-threatening cases can be cured. So, with all that in place, time bought with the preparation, why shut down all of the United States?
In my own Palm Beach County FL, with a population of 1.5 million, there are currently about 275 hospitalizations, and 92 deaths.
So long as testing is available to isolate persons who are infected, and contact-tracing to locate and quarantine any they infect, we should be like South Korea and re-open out society.
I think the Democrats propagandize for a complete lockdown to continue indefinitely has passed beyond pandemic defense to 1) undermine Trump by shutting down the ecconomy as a plot to prevent Trump politically and try to prevent his re-election, and 2) under a "never let a crisis go to waste" standard Democrat/Leftist strategy, put in place radical reforms (release of prissoners, shutting gun stores, persecuting Christians, arresting all political dissenters) as their kneejerk authoritarian plot to consolidate power. And especially to 3) to enact mail-in ballots that allow Democrats to rig elections, as they did with such ballots in Republican stronghold Orange County, CA, to unfairly win this and future elections. Democrats have no concern for the tens of millions who have been displaced, who suddenly have no income to buy food or pay bills. Even doing all this damage to 22 million now-unemployed Americans , Democrats are contemptibly holding up Republican legislation to help these people, delaying money these families need right now to feed their families, just so Democrats can try to extort unrelated funding for PBS and NPR, for santuary cities, for voter I.D. reqquirements and absentee ballots so Demcorats can rig elections.
It's obscene what your party is doing. It's all about power for Democrats, not about their hypocritical overtures of concern for the people their policies truly hurt. Again proving Democrats have unaapologetically become the Bolshevik party.
Also disgusting how Democrat leaders and liberal media perfectly mirror verbatim the talking points of Chinese state media, propagandizing blame on Trump to hide the Chinese negligence that caused this worldwide outbreak in over 180 nations. Rather than Democrats/liberal media expressing outrage and pointing blame at the true source of this pandemic.
It's more overt in this specific example, but consistently Dems and the media every day echo Chinese communist party talking points. As they clearly side with an enemy who has clear hostile intentions toward the United States. Bottom line: China knew this was a highly contagious virus, to the point that they suspended all interior flights within China to and from Wuhan province. But simultaneously allowed flights out of China to spread the virus to nations worldwide. THIS is who the piece of shit Democrat Bolsheviks are siding with, against Trump, and against the American people.
Joseph Biden for his sellouts already up to this point is often referred to as "quid pro Joe" or "Joe China", and is clearly the moldaable corrupt politician China would prefer to be dealing with after Nov 2020. As they are already with Sen Diane Feinstein, and Rep. Debbie Wasserman-bitch-cunt Schultz. Both of whom emplyed Chinese spies, and helped those exposed operatives escape from any penalty or prosecution. The Democrat party is corrupt, hates America, and is truly evil.
"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"
Trump actually spent a lot of time gushing about China’s coronavirus response while it was spreading here in our country. That was foolish of Trump.
The actual distortion would be you blaming governors in this instance where a mayor actually was responsible. I think you want the one thing to be true and so it really doesn’t matter that the governor explicitly condemned that action. As for things not being uniform, these shelter in place orders had to be quickly done.
Total horshit. The Mississippi governor only disowned it when it got bad press. That at best gets a factcheck "half-true".
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Horseshit is you just making hateful accusations. I cited his reaction to what the mayor did that makes the governor’s feelings pretty clear. And what he says sounds pretty rational and common sensed. You haven’t actually cited anything to support your partisan accusations about the Mississippi governor.
The tendencies to continue exploiting the crisis to advance a Democrat suppression of conservatives, aided by the aligned liberal media, and by authoritarian message control and censorship at Facebook. The reluctance to let go of that authoritarian control by the Democrat/Left, even when the crisis is easing.
From 13:00 to 17:00 in the video, Carlson cites some interesting facts: that political leaders push people to stay in their homes and not go outside, but a JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICINE study reports that most people were infected (80%) by being enclosed in their homes and sharing spece with family. Second highest place of infection was sharing space on public transportation. So the question is: why are leaders telling us to stay in our homes, and arresting people for being in parks, on beaches surfing alone (Malibu, CA), and otherwise being outside?
And that multiple random testings of populations in Santa Clara, CA, and Los Angeles, CA, and in the New York area, show that while Covid-19 infections are as much as 50 to 80 times higher than initially thought in the population, over 50% of those cases have no symptoms, the Covid-19 mortality rate relative to that could be as low as 0.02%.
From what I can see, deaths peaked around April 12, and are gradually declining now. The part about oil trading at below zero dollars a barrel, literally giving oil away to move it, is alarming. As are the evaporated jobs for over 22 million Americans, while Democrats in Congress not only want them to stay [unemployed indefinitely, but continue to just let them twist in the wind, to extort favors from House/Senate Republicans regarding their unrelated Leftist agenda, at the expense of millions of families who literally can't buy groceries. As Nancy Pelosi boasts to a fawning CNN reporter about her vast freezerful of expensive frozen designer chocolates. "Let them eat cake!"
The tendencies to continue exploiting the crisis to advance a Democrat suppression of conservatives, aided by the aligned liberal media and authoritarian message control and censorship at Facebook. The reluctance to let go of that authoritarian control by the Democrat/Left, even when the crisis is easing.
From 13:00 to 17:00 in the video, Carlson cites some interesting facts: that political leaders push people to stay in their homes and not go outside, but a JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICINE study reports that most people were infected (80%) by being enclosed in their homes and sharing spece with family. Second highest place of infection was sharing space on public transportation. So the question is: why are leaders telling us to stay in our homes, and arresting people for being in parks, on beaches surfing alone (Malibu, CA), and otherwise being outside?
And that multiple random testings of populations in Santa Clara, CA, and Los Angeles, CA, and in the New York area, show that while Covid-19 infections are as much as 50 to 80 times higher than initially thought in the population, over 50% of those cases have no symptoms, the Covid-19 mortality rate relative to that could be as low as 0.02%.
From what I can see, deaths peaked around April 12, and are gradually declining now. The part about oil trading at below zero dollars a barrel, literally giving oil away to move it, is alarming. As are the evaporated jobs for over 22 million Americans, while Democrats in Congress not only want them to stay employed indefinitely, but continue to just let them twist in the wind, to extort favors from House/Senate Republicans regarding their unrelated Leftist agenda, at the expense of millions of families who literally can't buy groceries. As Nancy Pelosi boasts to a fawning CNN reporter about her vast freezerful of expensive frozen designer chocolates. "Let them eat cake!"
I think it’s pretty nutty and really partisan wishful thinking that democrats want high unemployment. Basically what you’re attributing to democrat politicians actually originates from the WH’s own experts that Trump has used. They are not saying it’s safe to reopen things up. Likewise I suspect you are still sheltering in place because you don’t feel it’s safe. “Let them eat cake” indeed, can’t imagine that cake you’re having tasting anything but bitter. Let me know when you’re done sheltering in place WB. Till than I know you don’t even believe what your saying.
The criticism of Trump for getting ahead of studies on this appear to be a valid one. I think it’s good to talk about promising new drug treatments but over selling something is another thing.
I think it’s pretty nutty and really partisan wishful thinking that democrats want high unemployment.
Pelosi and the Dems have made clear for four years now that they'll do anything, any lying propaganda, any slander, to undermine Trump, and many have made clear they welcome a downturn in the economy they can blame on Trump (rather than China, who is truly responsible).
Pelosi has literally delayed legislation for 3 weeks that would bail out tens of millions of owners and employees, who again, can't even afford food right now. Every day she delays assures that more of them will go out of business, she's toying with millions of lives to extort irrelevant partisan concessions for illegal immigrants, sanctuary cities, green new deal funding, and funding for NPR and PBS. None of which have a thing to do with helping these millions of people.
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Basically what you’re attributing to democrat politicians actually originates from the WH’s own experts that Trump has used.
That doesn't even make a coherent point.
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They are not saying it’s safe to reopen things up. Likewise I suspect you are still sheltering in place because you don’t feel it’s safe. “Let them eat cake” indeed, can’t imagine that cake you’re having tasting anything but bitter. Let me know when you’re done sheltering in place WB. Till than I know you don’t even believe what your saying.
Pelosi is eating bitter cake, not me. And demonstrating she is an elitist completely out of touch from the people she pretends to care about and represent.
If the experts don't agree, why are Fauci and Birx and Redfield on stage every day at press conferences saying they will closely monitor county by county, and will close regions only if there is a surge in new cases. The reason for the shutdown was to prepare and stockpile medical staff and ventilator machines. That is now ready in abundant excess. So ready that many hospitals are sending home staff because they are so over-prepared for a huge wave that didn't come. Thank God. But if there is a surge or a new wave later, hospitals are now ready for it. The original goal has been reached. But Democrats are using lockdown as aa political weapon to target their political opposition, and their supporters, with selective enforcement that makes no logical sense.
I live in an area with a high ratio of cases, that's why I'm sheltering. I'm not in Wyoming, or Montana or South Dakota. I'm sheltering at home to obey the shelter-at-home order. Two weeks ago in my zipcode, there were 57 cases. Currently in my zipcode there are 0 cases. In 5 of the 8 zipcodes for my city there are 0 cases. Zero reported cases, to be clear. In the other 3 there are about 25 cases. I've thought of going to the store, and will have to for groceries at some point, but am doing my best to comply. And when I shop, I'll wear a protective mask.
But as I said, 3 new studies show that the ratio of unsymptomatic cases nationwide and worldwide, is far greater than thought even 2 weeks ago, as low as 0.02% mortality rate, or 1 in 5,000. So that reduces the fear factor. I'm also not over 65, or to my knowledge immune-compromised in any way. Specifically for Palm Beach County, out of a population of 1.5 million people, to date there are 2,320 reported cases, of those 380 have been hospitalized, and 131 deaths. Out of 1.5 million people. I was anxious 2 weeks ago about how high the cases would go, but the crisis largely seems to have passed at this point.
Further, as I said before, about one third of counties in tha U.S. don't have any reported cases at this time. So why should these people be in lockdown? This is a disease that spreads in densely populated urban areas, and especially at crowd events such as Mardi Gras in New Orleans, crowded spring break bars and beaches in Florida, Soccer games in Italy, Chinese festivals in New York City and San Francisco, and moon festivals with 5 million people in Wuhan, China. With awareness and preparation, washing hands frequently, smaller groups of people, social distancing and protective masks, it's at least worth trying to see if that's enough to prevent spread, especially in regions of the country that are not even affected.
The criticism of Trump for getting ahead of studies on this appear to be a valid one. I think it’s good to talk about promising new drug treatments but over selling something is another thing.
By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, April 2, 2020
An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors released Thursday found that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus.
The survey conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, of 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.
Of the physicians surveyed, 3,308 said they had either ordered a COVID-19 test or been involved in caring for a coronavirus patient, and 2,171 of those responded to the question asking which medications were most effective.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave chloroquine and its next-generation derivative, hydroxychloroquine, emergency-use authorization Monday for treating the novel coronavirus, although the drug was already being used off-label by some doctors and hospitals for COVID-19 patients.
The survey also found that the most commonly prescribed treatments are analgesics (56%), azithromycin (41%) and hydroxychloroquine (33%).
Azithromycin, known by the brand name Zithromax or Z-Pak, was rated the second-most effective therapy at 32%, followed by “nothing,” analgesics (including acetaminophen), anti-HIV drugs and cough medicine.
Hydroxychloroquine, which is sold under the brand name Plaquenil, was prescribed mainly in the United States for the most severe cases, but not so in other countries.
“Outside the U.S., hydroxychloroquine was equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the U.S. it was most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients,” the survey found.
The 30 nations surveyed included those in Europe, Asia, North America and South America, as well as Australia. No incentives were provided to participate in the poll, conducted March 25-27, according to Sermo.
ANNOUNCEMENT: To create a centralized & dynamic knowledge base we published results of our COVID-19 study, which over 6.2K physicians in 30 countries participated in: https://t.co/ppewwdo8wl pic.twitter.com/Fg5B6FMUCQ
Hydroxychloroquine usage was most widespread in Spain, where 72% of physicians surveyed said they had prescribed it, followed by Italy at 49%, and least popular in Japan, where 7% had used it to treat COVID-19.
The poll found 23% of U.S. medical professionals had prescribed the drug, which has been FDA-approved for malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
Debate about hydroxychloroquine has raged in the United States since President Trump touted it two weeks ago as a potential “game-changer” in the fight against the deadly pandemic, prompting critics to accuse him of peddling unproven remedies, or “snake oil,” as USA Today put it.
Trump-touted malaria drug takes center stage in coronavirus treatment fracas - https://t.co/LnIKLHZYXI - @washtimes #hydroxychloroquine #chloroquine #COVID19 — Valerie Richardson (@ValRichardson17) April 2, 2020 Sermo CEO Peter Kirk called the polling results a “treasure trove of global insights for policy makers.”
“Physicians should have more of a voice in how we deal with this pandemic and be able to quickly share information with one another and the world,” he said. “With censorship of the media and the medical community in some countries, along with biased and poorly designed studies, solutions to the pandemic are being delayed.”
The survey also found that 63% of U.S. physicians believe restrictions should be lifted in six weeks or more, and that the epidemic’s peak is at least 3-4 weeks away.
The survey also found that 83% of global physicians anticipate a second global outbreak, including 90% of U.S. doctors but only 50% of physicians in China.
On average, U.S. coronavirus testing takes 4-5 days, while 10% of cases take longer than seven days. In China, 73% of doctors reported getting results back in 24 hours.
In cases of ventilator shortages, all countries but China said the top criteria should be patients with the best chance of recovery (47%), followed by patients with the highest risk of death (21%), and then first responders (15%).
In China, the survey said doctors prioritized patients at greatest risk of death.
I'm open to whoever provides the facts. But outside the U.S., a majority of doctors up to now have used Hydroxychloroquine as their Covid-19 treatment of choice, and doctors in Europe are scratching their heads wondering why U.S. doctors are so resistant to it.
One epidemiologist, Dr Lipkin if I recall correctly, said he used Hydroxychloroquine on 125 patients, and all but 2 recovered, and within an incredible 5 or 6 days each, as opposed to the usual 3 or 4 weeks most Covid-19 patients take to leave hospital care.
THe above study you linked is the only one I've seen critical of Hydroxychloroquine. But it seemss to work for many patients, and I've posted several stories where individuals were at death's door, and within hours of being put on the Hydroxychloroquine have made an immediate recovery. Including a Michigan state Democrat congresswoman, who says without Trump's mentioning Hydroxychloroquine at a daily press conference, she never would have known of it to request it, and she would not be alive now.
It seems to be a case of Trump just suggested it as "a promising drug", and therefore those hostile to Trump, even within the medical community in the U.S., are kneejerk against it.
There are other therapies, the other two most promising being 1)Remdesevir, and 2) creating blood serum from recovered Covid-19 patients, to inject into infected patients, to teach their blood how to make antibodies. The last seems to be the most side-effect free, and the most universally recognized as successful.
That's a pretty balanced look at both sides. But the hyped "shortage" cause by Hydroxychloroquine being used for treating Covid-19 for Lupus patients has not come to pass. First off, the most prominent Lupus doctor in the U.S. said that in 42 years of prescribing it to patients, he has never seen negative side effects in all tht time. No hospitalizations, no blindness, no heart arithmia. The worst he's seen in 42 years was a skin rash.
And that he has Lupus patients who he has prescribed Hydroxychloroquine for years. So it there were visible negative side effects it would be far more likely in that long-term usage, rather than Covid-19 patients, who are prescribed it for only 5 days.
Further, the alleged shortage caused by prescribing it to treat Covid-19 has not happened. The federal government currently has a reserve of 30 million prescribed doses, and has distributed 1 million of them to hospitals. No shortage.
Some doctors have been vocal in advocating the drug. Dr Vladimir Zelenko, a general practitioner in upstate New York, has claimed that a three-drug cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc sulfate has helped mitigate the infection in nearly 200 hundred of his patients before they became sick enough to require hospitalization.
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Early, but mixed, data has emerged from COVID-19 trials of the malaria drugs in China. A research team in Marseilles, France, has published data showing that out of 80 mild COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, 93 percent had no detectable levels of the virus after eight days.
The criticism of Trump for getting ahead of studies on this appear to be a valid one. I think it’s good to talk about promising new drug treatments but over selling something is another thing.
Laura Ingraham was all over this in the first 22 minutes of her show, with several doctors and researchers well versed in prescribing hydroxychloroquine. They rip apart the above study as specious and not peer-reviewed, and prescribing a dosage so low as to guarantee it would not be effective.
But because is a study of hydroxychloroquine that bashes a drug that Trump discussed as "a promising new drug" the liberal media jumped on it and hyped this negative review of the drug without any responsible scrutiny of the study. It fit their partisan agenda.
"I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit," Bright said in a lengthy statement issued Wednesday. "I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science -- not politics or cronyism -- has to lead the way." He cited "clashes with political leadership" as a reason for his sidelining, as well as his resistance to "efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections."
Trump is a shit bag. Lying is not a virtue. Governors in general have seen their popularity grow in this crisis because they had to bust ass and their people see it. Trump taking no responsibility and his continual lies isn’t leadership.
Cuomo, a high-profile Democrat, said it was "vicious" and "ugly" for the Republican leader's office to officially put out a press release saying, "Stopping Blue State Bailouts."
"What he's saying is when you look at the states that have coronavirus problems, they tend to be Democratic states," Cuomo said. "How ugly a thought -- I mean just think of what he's saying. People died. 15,000 people died in New York, but they were not predominantly Democrats, so why should we help them?"
"How irresponsible and how reckless," Cuomo added.
He pointed out that New York State contributes $116 billion more in revenues to the federal government than it gets from Washington, whereas Kentucky, McConnell's home state, takes much more from the federal government than it contributes.
"Senator McConnell, who's getting bailed out here?" Cuomo said. "It's your state that's living on the money that we generate. Your state is getting bailed out. Not my state." ...
I would love McConnel to lose his election this year. His state takes federal money while NY pays and he has the nerve to say this crap.
"I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit," Bright said in a lengthy statement issued Wednesday. "I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science -- not politics or cronyism -- has to lead the way." He cited "clashes with political leadership" as a reason for his sidelining, as well as his resistance to "efforts to fund potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections."
Laura probably didn’t cover this
CDC official Rick Bright, by the wildest of coincidences, has the same lawyer as Christine Blasey-Ford. Gee, I wonder what the chances are this guy is part of the Democrat slander/attack machine.
Cuomo, a high-profile Democrat, said it was "vicious" and "ugly" for the Republican leader's office to officially put out a press release saying, "Stopping Blue State Bailouts."
"What he's saying is when you look at the states that have coronavirus problems, they tend to be Democratic states," Cuomo said. "How ugly a thought -- I mean just think of what he's saying. People died. 15,000 people died in New York, but they were not predominantly Democrats, so why should we help them?"
"How irresponsible and how reckless," Cuomo added.
He pointed out that New York State contributes $116 billion more in revenues to the federal government than it gets from Washington, whereas Kentucky, McConnell's home state, takes much more from the federal government than it contributes.
"Senator McConnell, who's getting bailed out here?" Cuomo said. "It's your state that's living on the money that we generate. Your state is getting bailed out. Not my state." ...
I would love McConnel to lose his election this year. His state takes federal money while NY pays and he has the nerve to say this crap.
That is clearly a Democrat/Left lying narrative that tries to mask the video and political attack ads of Nancy Pelosi, blind to the tens of millions of families without jobs or food, because she personally stalled legislation to extort partisan add-ons to legislatioon for completely unrelated funding for sanctuary cities, for illegal immigrants, for green new deal spending, for PBS and NPR, and for museums. And then she then showed off her 24,000-dollar freezer full of expensive designer ice cream and cholcolate. So glad she doesn't have to stress and has plenty to eat, while she literally starved over 22 million families because she has stalled legislation for weeks. Republicans have compared her to Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake", and the show perfectly fits. As your side strains with damage control propaganda to create fake outrage misdirected at Sen. Mitch McConnell.
There's nothing to distort or exaggerate. Pelosi's callous indifference to those suffering as a dircet result of her actions. All she had to do was sign a legislation bill, 3 weeks ago.
Trump is a shit bag. Lying is not a virtue. Governors in general have seen their popularity grow in this crisis because they had to bust ass and their people see it. Trump taking no responsibility and his continual lies isn’t leadership.
Yes, because Trump is a doctor and career CDC official, who personally created and messed up the testing kits.
For the billionth time, the test kit was created by others, and Dr Fauci has repeatedly said there was an error within the CDC in selecting an overly complicated test kit that turned out not to work, that it was an error within the CDC, not Trump's error. If Obama, Hillary, Biden or whoever were president, the same error would have occurred. How you mindlessly and irrationally blame Trump for that I can't imagine.
You actually skipped what Trump lied about. Guess I’ll take that as recognition on your part that he lied and not anything you can defend.
As for the Nancy smear, yeah not really a lot of merit. On the other hand a republican actually compared McConnell to Antoinette. Again Mitch’s state takes federal money while NY pays in. Mitch made a mistake trying to characterize much needed state aid as a blue state bailout. This is true elitism looks like and it’s as ugly as his physical appearance is.
You actually skipped what Trump lied about. Guess I’ll take that as recognition on your part that he lied and not anything you can defend.
As for the Nancy smear, yeah not really a lot of merit. On the other hand a republican actually compared McConnell to Antoinette. Again Mitch’s state takes federal money while NY pays in. Mitch made a mistake trying to characterize much needed state aid as a blue state bailout. This is true elitism looks like and it’s as ugly as his physical appearance is.
Can you be more specific? What are YOU lying about, that Trump is allegedly lying about?
In the opening minutes of his show Wednesday, Dobbs showed the internal contradictions in the AP's attack on Hydrochloroquine, despite that it was not even a complete study, not peer reviewed, and was actually hyped by the media in draft form before it was even officially made ready to publish. Dr Marc Seigel further discusses it, beginning about 5 minutes into the clip.
Repost of the fact check you apparently didn’t read WB. Not sure how that justifies calling me a liar but maybe that’s just easier for you than trying to defend an actual liar.
Repost of the fact check you apparently didn’t read WB. Not sure how that justifies calling me a liar but maybe that’s just easier for you than trying to defend an actual liar.
As I've already established, you're a Media Matters lying talking points machine, propagandizing whatever the Democrat/Left is selling on any given day.
I've also already established that Factcheck and Politifact are branches of the far-left anti-Trump Washington Post and Tampa Tribune, that 75% of the time target Republicans/conservatives, and only to give the slightest semblance of unbiased neutrality and equal scrutiny do they factcheck Democrats.
CNN has been proven wrong on the facts once or twice a week every week that Trump has been president. One might think you'd stop believing them after a while. CNN is not a news agency any more, it is a P.R. wing of the Democrat Party. They don't even pretend otherwise anymore.
To go through just a sample of the propagandized distortions that you desperately cling to:
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President Donald Trump made yet another false claim about coronavirus testing on Wednesday, wrongly saying at a White House briefing that the US is conducting more tests than any governor probably even wants. In fact, numerous governors, including Republicans, have said that more testing is necessary.
Obviously the tests are not out yet in the numbers everyone wants. Pence said there will be 5 million of the new tests available before the end of April, and 20 million in the next month. Trump does this thing that you apparently can't comprehend, called a joke, and said something to the effect that "Governors will probably have more tests than they want." This is something MediaMatters and the Left consistently does, is spin intended light moments as if they were said with absolute seriousness. It brings to mind the comment Trump made at a rally, clearly a joke, where he said they FBI can't find Hillary's deleted e-mails, and jokingly said to the audience, "Hey, maybe we can ask the Russians for them." Liberal propaganda sites, including CNN and Media Matters, consistently allege "Trump asked the Russians for Hillary's e-mails" as if it was a secret backroom phone call to Putin, instead of a joke made to an audience of Trump supporters, televised natiowide by the mainstream media.
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Trump also continued to embellish about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's February 24 visit to San Francisco's Chinatown, inaccurately saying that she had held a Chinatown "rally." He continued to insist that his travel restrictions on China were a "ban," though they contained significant exemptions. And he threw in an old false claim about Michelle Obama for good measure.
That's like discussing a murder, and rather than discuss the knife in the victim's chest with the murderer's fingerprints, you obsess over whether the curtains in the room are white or light blue. In the early weeks of an epidemic, Pelosi led and encouraged a crowd event that likely was a contributer to the spread of the viruss in California. Instead of Pelosi encouraging people to avoid crowds that would spread the virus, in her eagerness to call Trump a racist, she encouraged people to attend a crowded event, just to defy Trump's call for caution and his suspension of travel from China, that prevented 20,000 visitors a day from rapidly spreading the virus. Dr Anthony Fauci said Trump's travel ban was a "smart" and wide strategic move to prevent early spread of the disease, and to buy the nation vital time to prepare hospitals, ventilators and other vital equipment. But CNN obsesses over whether Pelosi's event was a "rally" or a less formal crowd event. In either case, Pelosi encouraged people to go out into large crowds to get infected by a highly contageous disease.
In both examples, CNN strained to find a context where they could paint Trump as a "liar". But it is CNN and the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Trump liberal media who are consistently proven the liars.
Repost of the fact check you apparently didn’t read WB. Not sure how that justifies calling me a liar but maybe that’s just easier for you than trying to defend an actual liar.
As I've already established, you're a Media Matters lying talking points machine, propagandizing whatever the Democrat/Left is selling on any given day.
I've also already established that Factcheck and Politifact are branches of the far-left anti-Trump Washington Post and Tampa Tribune, that 75% of the time target Republicans/conservatives, and only to give the slightest semblance of unbiased neutrality and equal scrutiny do they factcheck Democrats.
CNN has been proven wrong on the facts once or twice a week every week that Trump has been president. One might think you'd stop believing them after a while. CNN is not a news agency any more, it is a P.R. wing of the Democrat Party. They don't even pretend otherwise anymore.
You employ an old propaganda technique here WB. I didn’t lie but because Trump does you accuse me of being a liar. Not just me of course but this also includes any media source that doesn’t act like an arm of the RNC. Conservapedia and Hannity are okay but most of the free and independent media must always be accused of not only being biased but an actual enemy of our country. It boils down to you being protective of Trump’s actual lies by repeat accusations of the other side that includes everyone that wouldn’t be willing to chant “lock her up” at a Trump rally. Right here for example you accuse me of being a liar but where did I lie specifically? I didn’t and I’m specifically citing Trump’s lies. Below you do try to defend them but it’s mostly more of the same. Trump lies but it’s everyone else’s fault somehow.
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To go through just a sample of the propagandized distortions that you desperately cling to:
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President Donald Trump made yet another false claim about coronavirus testing on Wednesday, wrongly saying at a White House briefing that the US is conducting more tests than any governor probably even wants. In fact, numerous governors, including Republicans, have said that more testing is necessary.
Obviously the tests are not out yet in the numbers everyone wants. Pence said there will be 5 million of the new tests available before the end of April, and 20 million in the next month. Trump does this thing that you apparently can't comprehend, called a joke, and said something to the effect that "Governors will probably have more tests than they want." This is something MediaMatters and the Left consistently does, is spin intended light moments as if they were said with absolute seriousness. It brings to mind the comment Trump made at a rally, clearly a joke, where he said they FBI can't find Hillary's deleted e-mails, and jokingly said to the audience, "Hey, maybe we can ask the Russians for them." Liberal propaganda sites, including CNN and Media Matters, consistently allege "Trump asked the Russians for Hillary's e-mails" as if it was a secret backroom phone call to Putin, instead of a joke made to an audience of Trump supporters, televised natiowide by the mainstream media.
Trump has consistently been deceptive on our testing capacity. “Everyone who wants a test can get one” is something Trump said a while back. It’s still not true. Nor has he acknowledged that what he said wasn’t true. And in the last week Trump lied about the governors having the testing capacity that is needed. He’s lied about it just being democrat governors complaining about testing capacity. Now it’s supposed to be a joke as he continues to mislead on testing capacity? Governors have had to compete not only with other states and foreign governments for supplies but also our federal government. It’s actually really sick to even try to joke about them having more testing capacity than they want.
Outside of the politics of this I hope everyone is doing okay here. Besides the pandemic itself so many people are being impacted with the shutdowns. And at this point I think it’s pretty clear that there is no going back to normal. Now it’s finding a way to a new normal. I suspect anybody that can work from home will be now doing that for the foreseeable future. Wherever social distancing can be be put in place for companies is going to be a must. Hopefully a vaccine works well enough that gets us closer to the old normal but that going to take some time. I’m hearing 12 to 18 months for a chance of having something that works and has been tested.
Repost of the fact check you apparently didn’t read WB. Not sure how that justifies calling me a liar but maybe that’s just easier for you than trying to defend an actual liar.
As I've already established, you're a Media Matters lying talking points machine, propagandizing whatever the Democrat/Left is selling on any given day.
I've also already established that Factcheck and Politifact are branches of the far-left anti-Trump Washington Post and Tampa Tribune, that 75% of the time target Republicans/conservatives, and only to give the slightest semblance of unbiased neutrality and equal scrutiny do they factcheck Democrats.
CNN has been proven wrong on the facts once or twice a week every week that Trump has been president. One might think you'd stop believing them after a while. CNN is not a news agency any more, it is a P.R. wing of the Democrat Party. They don't even pretend otherwise anymore.
You employ an old propaganda technique here WB. I didn’t lie but because Trump does you accuse me of being a liar.
No, M E M, you lied, and I exposed your lie. In point of fact, you accused Trump of lying, to hide your own party's lies, a consistent Leftist/Cultural Marxist tactic, as I clearly detailed.
And that is your party's and the broader Left's tactics for a century, to muddy the political waters by accusing Republicans of exactly what YOU YOURSELVES are guilty of.
For example, after decades of Democrat treason and collaborating with communist governments for over 70 years, your side accuses Trump and his campaign of collaborating with Russians to rig the 2016 election. Despite no evidence in 4 years of investigating Trump, even by partisan zealots like Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andrew Weisssmann and the entire Mueller special investigation filled with zealous democrat lawyers and DNC donors. And despite the abundant evidence that the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Obama administration, Perkins-Coie law firm, Fusion GPS, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Christoper Steele, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and others were all doing *EXACTLY* what they accused Trump officials of, and laid bait of fake "Russian assets" to try and entrap Trump officials.
Your party, not Trump, are the treasonous collaborators. But they tried to frame Trump for what they themselves, the Democrats and their moles in CIA, DNI, FBI and DOJ, are guilty of. And you, M E M, are a propagaandist trying to lie on the Dems' behalf, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That your side, not Trump officials, collaaborated with the Russians and other foreign agents like Christopher Steele, like British, Italian, Ukranian and Australian diplomats, who were used to try and ensnare Trump officials, but they (not Trump officials) were the ones conspiring and receiving large payments and collaborating with foreign governments.
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Not just me of course but this also includes any media source that doesn’t act like an arm of the RNC. Conservapedia and Hannity are okay but most of the free and independent media must always be accused of not only being biased but an actual enemy of our country.
Facts don't lie. And your side throws up a lot of fraudulent diversion to hide the facts, but the facts don't lie.
The irony is that many journalists you dismiss as "right wing propagandists" such as Sharyl Atkisson, or Lou Dobbs, or John Solomon, or Geraldo Rivera, or John Stossel, or Lara Logan, or Bernard Goldberg, are objective journalists who concerned themselves with only reporting the facts, until the propagandists of the liberal media made clear there were certain facts the network executives did not want to report if they reflected badly on Democrats, no matter how corrupt those Democrarts are. These journalists had to go to Fox News and elsewhere just so they could again objectively report the news. As 25 years ago, they could still do on CNN or CBS News. Many of these journalists are liberals! (Not "right wing"!) But they are disturbed by the mainstream's complete refusal to hold Democrats to the same scrutiny as Republicans.
How blind are you not to see that, M E M?
Originally Posted By: M E M
It boils down to you being protective of Trump’s actual lies by repeat accusations of the other side that includes everyone that wouldn’t be willing to chant “lock her up” at a Trump rally. Right here for example you accuse me of being a liar but where did I lie specifically? I didn’t and I’m specifically citing Trump’s lies. Below you do try to defend them but it’s mostly more of the same. Trump lies but it’s everyone else’s fault somehow.
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You just completely made all that up, M E M. It has absolutely no resemblance to what I've actually said almost every day here for 4 years. I even said despite that I voted for Trump, I was nervous aabout what he might do as president, if he got it wrong. But that far from making huge errors or dissappointing me, he has governed effectively far beyond my wildest expectations. I've criticized his overly personal Twitter posts, that I feel distract from his accomplishments. I was concerned about his trade war with China, particularly while the 2020 election was nearing. I'm unsure about the release of tens of thouands of prisoners from jaails, given a second chance and shortened sentences. There's a great potential to accidentally release a murderer or other violent criminal. I'm concerned about ending the sheltering of states too quickly, potentially resulting in a resurgence of the outbreak. And though the Covid-19 testing is not Trump's fault personally, it is frustrating tht the tests were not ready sooner. And only with adequate testing is it safe to re-open the economy. Pence has promised 5 million tests by the end of April (currently 4,600,000 as I said earlier) and 20 million by the end of May. so that shortcoming seems to finally be fixed. And with a faster test that has a result in 5 to 15 minutes.
So... in spite of your vindictive assumptions, I don't blindly endorse everything Trump does. I've posted multiple topics over the last 4 years where I've disagreed with or expressed concern about statements Trump has made. But overall, yeah, I'm very pleased with Trump's actions as president. Not beecause I blindly believe everything he says, but becaue he has proven himself and exceeded my 2016 expectations, and quantifiably achieved more than even Ronald Reagan.
You truly have to be blind if you don't see that CNN makes up and rewrites reality every day to manufacture another false attack on Trump. No "objective" news network reports 93% or 100% negative coverage. (I sourced that from a Harvard study, by the way, not "right wing propaganda", you liar.)
And as I've pointed out for 16 years, Fox News for whatever conservative leanings, is the only network that has truly balanced ratios of positive and negative coverage of both political sides. https://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-foxn...journalism-2008
Facts again, from that "right wing" Pew Research center. Pew is far rom conservative.
How you spin that as "right wing propaganda" I'll never be able to figure out. I often quote Washington Post, New York Times, USA Today and other mainstream sources, just to show that frequently the truth is so evident, that even they can't avoid the true facts, and unable to evade the facts, reluctantly report them.
For example, The New York Times and Washington Post early on reported about V P Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's corrupt pay-to-play with the Ukranians and the Chinese. But now they are cirling the wagons to protect Biden and labeling accusations against Biden as "right wing conspiracy theories" and "debunked", despite that THEY REPORTED IT THEMSELVES, and anyone can pull up the articles to prove it. I linked them in the "From Russia With Love" topic, and in the Mueller investigation topic.
But whatever, go on lying to yourself, M E M. I don't just post Fox News and Conservapedia. That's a blatant lie. The maajority of what I post sources for is from mainstream sources.
[quote=WB] To go through just a sample of the propagandized distortions that you desperately cling to:
[quote=article] President Donald Trump made yet another false claim about coronavirus testing on Wednesday, wrongly saying at a White House briefing that the US is conducting more tests than any governor probably even wants. In fact, numerous governors, including Republicans, have said that more testing is necessary.
I already deconstructed the "Trump lied" portion of this in my aabove post, that you somehow didn't process:
[quote=WB]Obviously the tests are not out yet in the numbers everyone wants. Pence said there will be 5 million of the new tests available before the end of April, and 20 million in the next month. Trump does this thing that you apparently can't comprehend, called a joke, and said something to the effect that "Governors will probably have more tests than they want." This is something MediaMatters and the Left consistently does, is spin intended light moments as if they were said with absolute seriousness.
It brings to mind the comment Trump made at a rally, clearly a joke, where he said the FBI can't find Hillary's deleted e-mails, and Trump jokingly said to the audience, "Hey, maybe we can ask the Russians for them." Liberal propaganda sites, including CNN and Media Matters, consistently allege "Trump asked the Russians for Hillary's e-mails" as if it was a secret backroom phone call to Putin, instead of a joke made to an audience of Trump supporters, televised natiowide by the mainstream media.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Trump has consistently been deceptive on our testing capacity. “Everyone who wants a test can get one” is something Trump said a while back. It’s still not true. Nor has he acknowledged that what he said wasn’t true.
You're so delusional, M E M. Your partisan hate makes you spin as a "Trump lie" the fact that he was told by the CDC that the tests would be ready, and then the CDC did not deliver them.
I just linked articles a post above, from both Fox News and the Washington Post explaining that there was an accident where the CDC producing test kits contaminated the lab, and for several weeks it delayed production. That is not a "Trump lie", that is an error within the CDC, where they were unable to deliver what they promised to Trump and V.P. Pence. You leap to blame everything on Trump.
But like I said, Trump is not a doctor or a CDC official. Those technical errors belong to the CDC, despite your vindictive need to rage on Trump for it and shift blame to Trump personally.
This much is true, to date, there have been about 4,600,000 tests done nationwide. Pence has promised 5 million by the end of April, and 20 million in May. The bugs in the CDC delaying the test kit have finally been overcome. Partly because Trump sent in outside medical officials to the CDC to find out what the fuck was going on, and to circumnavigte the bureaucratic problems and resolve it.
The same kind of bureaucratic nightmare Trump inherited when he became president. 1) Fauci in the month Trump was inaugurated (Jan 2017) in a videotaped speech said he foresaw a coming pandemic, but did noting to prepare for it.
2) The CDC supplies for a pandemic were exhausted and not replenished from pandemics that occurred while Obama was president. Again Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC).
3) It wss literally known for years the dangerous conditions in biological research labs in China, specifically Wuhan (for example worn out seals on refrigerators and freezers in the Wuhan facility that could allow dangerous viruses to escape from storage, as occurred.) Again the NIH and CDC were aware of these conditions, for years, and did nothing to resolve them.
But yeah, it's all Trump's fault.
Regarding the current Covid-19/Wuhan Flu outbreak, CDC and NIH took China's word for it throughout Dec 2019/Jan 2020 that this was not an outbreak, not highly infectious, not transmittable human-to-human, despite the evidence to the contrary.
The NIH and CDC took China's word for it that the virus was not highly infectious, and transmissable human-to-human, scout's honor. The NIH and CDC took the WHO's word that this was confirmed independently. It wasn't.
The WHO, NIH and CDC advised Trump that it was not necessary to suspend travel from China. Thank God Trump didn't listen to the "experts", and suspended travel from China on Jan 31st.
And a few important facts about China and the outbreak:
1) The Chinese government knew all through December and through early/mid January that this is a highly infectious and letal disease. They knew back to at least Dec 1st when I believe one of the patients died at a Wuhan hospital. There was at least one earlier case going back to Nov 19th. They finally warned the world on Jan 21st. In January and February in Wuhan, the outbreak was so bad that the Chinese locked down Wuhan and allowed no travel out of the city. How could NIH and CDC not know this? Autralian reporters and film crews showed the events in real time as they happened in the video I posted early in this topic. The outbreak was so bad that the Chinese government dragged sick people out of their homes off somewhere to die. So bad that they used welding torches to trap people in their apartment buildings to die. And you blame Trump
2) China cut off all internal travel from Wuhan to the rest of China. But never prevented travel out of the country to every other nation on earth. That's pretty clear intent of malice on the part of the Chinese government, that so far has killed 198,000 people worldwide, over 51,000 of them Americans. And you blame Trump.
3) Taiwan, with their own research, warned the World Health Organization of how infectious and destructive this virus is. But WHO completely buried the warnings, and advised the U.S. and the rest of the world that it was perfectly okay to continue receiving travel from China. The WHO, who you trust and defend, was and is a conspiratorial part of the global outbreak and genocide. Them you find no fault with, but rage on Trump.
4) In addition to the clearly premeditated outbreak of Covid-19/Wuhan Flu to the rest of the world, China while downplaying the threat, purchased all the medical supplies the rest of the world needed to protect themselves from the virus China unleashed. Then they price-gouged these supplies, selling them back to the rest of the world at highly inflated prices. China you find no fault with, but rage on Trump.
5) China at the same time as the worst outbreak in Wuhan, sent a Chinese trade delegation to the White House to meet with Trump and his staff to negotiate a deal. Any or all of these Chinese officials could have been infected, and killed our nation's leadership with the virus if they had been. The Chinese government was probably disappointed they were not infected. Another example of the callous endangerment of the U.S., endangering its very highest leadership, and that of other nations. And it's Trump you rage at, not the Chinese government.
6) China continues to hide the true statistics of their outbreak in Wuhan and across the rest of China, and also witholds any research they have for understanding and treatment of "Covid-19"/Wuhan Flu. But it's Trump you rage at, not them, where all the blame clearly rests.
Originally Posted By: M E M
And in the last week Trump lied about the governors having the testing capacity that is needed. He’s lied about it just being democrat governors complaining about testing capacity. Now it’s supposed to be a joke as he continues to mislead on testing capacity? Governors have had to compete not only with other states and foreign governments for supplies but also our federal government. It’s actually really sick to even try to joke about them having more testing capacity than they want.
Asked and answered in my last above post. It just seems really petty, that you strain to blame Trump with piddly shit like this. Look above at the things China intentionally did to our country, and to the entire world. You really are an America-hating schmuck if you still blame Trump for this, and can't even acknowledge the clear blame that belongs to China. They tried to destroy our country, and it's very possible that beyond the shutdown and 51,000-plus deaths, they might successfully collapse the U.S. economy, and the global economy, in the coming months. Wake the fuck up.
Trump is also saying he didn’t mean what he said about ingesting cleansers. It’s of course the media’s fault for reporting what he actually said.
Sometimes a joke is just a joke. Trump makes a lot of jokes.
But in all seriousness, On OANN and Fox, it was reported that scientists are working on an ultra-violet light that can be inserted down the throat and into the bronchia passages, to kill the virus in the lungs, but in a way safe to humans.
They're also working, closer to completion, on an ultra-violet machine that rolls dowwn the rows of a passenger jet and projects ultraviolet rays on all the seats and surfaces, killing all bacteria and viruses. They're also working on a version that can do the same in restaurants and other public places.
Outside of the politics of this I hope everyone is doing okay here. Besides the pandemic itself so many people are being impacted with the shutdowns. And at this point I think it’s pretty clear that there is no going back to normal. Now it’s finding a way to a new normal. I suspect anybody that can work from home will be now doing that for the foreseeable future. Wherever social distancing can be be put in place for companies is going to be a must. Hopefully a vaccine works well enough that gets us closer to the old normal but that going to take some time. I’m hearing 12 to 18 months for a chance of having something that works and has been tested.
In the short term, yes. But I disagree this is permanent. It stays this way until either 1) a vaccine is deveeloped, or 2) a remedy like blood serum, hydroxychloroquine, or remdesevir diminishes the worst symptoms. So that at some point, hopefully a month or two at most, treatment will exist so someone might get sick or even hospitalized, but it ceases to be life-threatening or a death sentence.
I'm frankly surprised that hasn't already haappened in the last month, during the high days of up to 2,500 deaths a day, when I thought doctors would more often use the above anti-virals and maybe save 95% of those ICU patients. But doctors seem very reluctant to use those anti-virals. And many surviving hydroxychloroquine patients I've seen interviewed (linked with articles above) say they were at death's door, and when they requested or demanded these meds, they made an immediate recovery within a matter of hours. But they had to request or demand these medications before they were given, otherwise they would have been left to die in their beds. The death total might be 15 or 20 thousand instead of 51 thousand, if doctors were less reluctant to use these "clinically unproven" medications. I fgure the clinical studies will be done within a month or two. But at this rate, the outbreak will be pretty much over and the drugs will not be needed by the time the studies are done.
As I linked above, doctors in the rest of the world are using these anti-virals on Covid-19, and have overwhelming good results of patients survive with hydroxychloroquine. Only in the U.S. is there resistance to using these meds. Again it seems like a case of Trump favors these medications as "a good prospect", so therefore the Dems, liberal media, and anti-Trump wing of the medical community is absolutely against them, no matter what the evidence.
Laura Ingraham the last two days said she's spoken to a number of doctors who are using hydroxychloroquine and remdesevir, but are quietly doing so for fear of political backlash against them. But usage is incresing for these meds, even in the U.S. Laura ingraham herself, while traveling in central America and other third-world nations, was prescribed hydroxychloroquine as an aanti-Malarial years ago. Ingrahmaa went there both to adopt a daughter in Guatamala, and also later to do news coverage. But she was prescribed it, with no side effects.
Trump is also saying he didn’t mean what he said about ingesting cleansers. It’s of course the media’s fault for reporting what he actually said.
Sometimes a joke is just a joke. Trump makes a lot of jokes.
But in all seriousness, On OANN and Fox, it was reported that scientists are working on an ultra-violet light that can be inserted down the throat and into the bronchia passages, to kill the virus in the lungs, but in a way safe to humans.
They're also working, closer to completion, on an ultra-violet machine that rolls dowwn the rows of a passenger jet and projects ultraviolet rays on all the seats and surfaces, killing all bacteria and viruses. They're also working on a version that can do the same in restaurants and other public places.
Honestly he tells a lot of lies than later it’s called a joke or some version of rationalization is used to dismiss his dishonesty. You have made your loyalty for republican power over honesty pretty clear.
By Dr. Scott W. Atlas, Opinion Contributor — 04/22/2020
The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.
Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.
Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.
The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.
In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.
Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.
Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.
Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.
We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response — antibodies — so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity.” Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases — to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.
Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.
Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate “potential” COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.
Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group — older people and others with underlying conditions — is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.
The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let’s stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter. _________________
Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.
Surveying large swaths of the public for antibodies to the new coronavirus promises to show how widespread undiagnosed infections are, how deadly the virus really is, and whether enough of the population has become immune for social distancing measures to be eased. But the first batch of results has generated more controversy than clarity.
The survey results, from Germany, the Netherlands, and several locations in the United States, find that anywhere from 2% to 30% of certain populations have already been infected with the virus. The numbers imply that confirmed COVID-19 cases are an even smaller fraction of the true number of people infected than many had estimated and that the vast majority of infections are mild. But many scientists question the accuracy of the antibody tests and complain that several of the research groups announced their findings in the press rather than in preprints or published papers, where their data could be scrutinized. Critics are also wary because some of the researchers are on record advocating for an early end to lockdowns and other control measures, and claim the new prevalence figures support that call.
Some observers warn the coronavirus’ march through the population has only just begun, and that even if the antibody results can be believed, they don’t justify easing controls. “You would have hoped for 45% or even 60% positive,” says Mark Perkins, a diagnostics expert at the World Health Organization. “That would mean that there is lots of silent transmission, and a lot of immunity in the population. It now looks like, sadly, that’s not true. Even the high numbers are relatively small.”
The many different academic and commercial tests for coronavirus antibodies are still being refined and validated. They can show whether someone’s immune system has encountered the virus. But because no one knows what level of antibodies, if any, confers protection against the new virus, the tests can’t tell whether a person is immune to a future infection. And no one knows how long such immunity might last.
A German antibody survey was the first out of the gate several weeks ago. At a press conference on 9 April, virologist Hendrik Streeck from the University of Bonn announced preliminary results from a town of about 12,500 in Heinsberg, a region in Germany that had been hit hard by COVID-19. He told reporters his team had found antibodies to the virus in 14% of the 500 people tested. By comparing that number with the recorded deaths in the town, the study suggested the virus kills only 0.37% of the people infected. (The rate for seasonal influenza is about 0.1%.) The team concluded in a two-page summary that “15% of the population can no longer be infected with SARS-CoV-2, and the process of reaching herd immunity is already underway.” They recommended that politicians start to lift some of the regions’ restrictions.
Streeck had argued even before the study that the virus is less serious than feared and that the effects of long shutdowns may be just as bad if not worse than the damage the virus could do. However, Christian Drosten, a virologist at Charité University Hospital in Berlin, told reporters later that day that no meaningful conclusions could be drawn from the antibody study based on the limited information Streeck presented. Drosten cited uncertainty about what level of antibodies provides protection and noted that the study sampled entire households. That can lead to overestimating infections, because people living together often infect each other.
Streeck and his colleagues claimed the commercial antibody test they used has “more than 99% specificity,” but a Danish group found the test produced three false positives in a sample of 82 controls, for a specificity of only 96%. That means that in the Heinsberg sample of 500, the test could have produced more than a dozen false positives out of roughly 70 the team found.
A California serology study of 3300 people released last week in a preprint also drew strong criticisms. The lead authors of the study, Jay Bhattacharya and Eran Bendavid, who study health policy at Stanford University, worked with colleagues to recruit the residents of Santa Clara county through ads on Facebook. Fifty antibody tests were positive—about 1.5%. But after adjusting the statistics to better reflect the county’s demographics, the researchers concluded that between 2.49% and 4.16% of the county’s residents had likely been infected. That suggests, they say, that the real number of infections was as many as 80,000. That’s more than 50 times as many as viral gene tests had confirmed and implies a low fatality rate —-a reason to consider whether strict lockdowns are worthwhile, argue Bendavid and co-author John Ioannidis, who studies public health at Stanford.
On the day the preprint posted, co-author Andrew Bogan—a biotech investor with a biophysics Ph.D.—published an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal asking, “If policy makers were aware from the outset that the Covid-19 death toll would be closer to that of seasonal flu … would they have risked tens of millions of jobs and livelihoods?” The op-ed did not initially disclose his role in the study.
Yet Twitter threads and blog posts outlined a litany of apparent problems with the Santa Clara study. Recruiting through Facebook likely attracted people with COVID-19–like symptoms who wanted to be tested, boosting the apparent positive rate. Because the absolute numbers of positive tests were so small, false positives may have been nearly as common as real infections. The study also had relatively few participants from low-income and minority populations, meaning the statistical adjustments the researchers made could be way off. “I think the authors of the paper owe us all an apology,” wrote Columbia University statistician and political scientist Andrew Gelman in an online commentary. The numbers “were essentially the product of a statistical error.” Bhattacharya says he is preparing an appendix that addresses the criticisms. But, he says, “The argument that the test is not specific enough to detect real positives is deeply flawed.”
Bhattacharya and Bendavid have also collaborated with Neeraj Sood, a health policy expert at the University of Southern California, to do a similar study in Los Angeles county. They used the same antibody test on 846 people selected by a marketing firm to represent the county’s demographics. In a press release issued this week, they estimated that roughly 4% of the county’s adult population has antibodies to the virus—as many as 300,000 people. (Sood told Science that 35 subjects tested positive.)
Another serology study, in the Netherlands, produced a similar figure for antibody prevalence that was revealed in the country’s House of Representatives on 16 April. Hans Zaaijer, a virologist at Sanquin, the Dutch national blood bank, who helped lead the study, says the team used a commercial test, which “consistently shows superior results” in validation studies, but didn’t provide more details. The results made it clear that the country was not yet near the “herd immunity” that some had hoped for. Nevertheless, the government said on 21 April that it would start to lift some restrictions in the coming weeks, opening elementary schools and allowing children’s sports teams to practice.
A small study in the Boston suburb of Chelsea has found the highest prevalence of antibodies so far. Prompted by the striking number of COVID-19 patients from Chelsea colleagues had seen, Massachusetts General Hospital pathologists John Iafrate and Vivek Naranbhai quickly organized a local serology survey. Within 2 days, they collected blood samples from 200 passersby on a street corner. That evening, they processed the samples—and shared the results with a reporter from The Boston Globe. Sixty-three were positive—31.5%. The result carries several large caveats. The team used a test whose maker, BioMedomics, says it has a specificity of only about 90%, though Iafrate says MGH’s own validation tests found a specificity of higher than 99.5%. And pedestrians on a single corner “aren’t a representative sample” of the town, Naranbhai acknowledges.
The pair says a paper describing the team’s results has been submitted to a journal but they shared the data with The Boston Globe first because “we felt there was an urgent infection control issue in Chelsea that warranted getting the information out.” The Boston researchers do not think quarantines should be eased, however. Better containment is urgently needed in Chelsea, they say, to help prevent further spread both within the community and in the larger Boston area.
Even if the antibody surveys show a COVID-19 death rate well below 1%, says Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, control measures will be needed for a long time to avoid [a surge of patients resulting in] overwhelmed hospitals. “The seroprevalence data only confirm the challenge we face. The data [these studies] are generating … is just showing how hard this is.”
I selected this article because it is more critical than others of the sample tests done of large populations of regions throughout the U.S. and of other nations in Europe. Santa Clara county. Los Angeles County. Miami. Four Ohio prisons. And in the New York area.
The one in Miami showed 14% of the population there had been exposed. The one in the New York area showed over 21% of the population had been exposed. In the Ohio prisons, samplings showed 96% of those testing positive wer completely unsymptomatic.
This article dodges those exaamples, that also have samplings in the thousands of patients. But it does make clear that healthy skepticism has to ak how large each sample is, how well it represents the general population, and how accurate the testing is, that might contain a large ratio of false positives and false negatives.
by Andrew Mark Miller, April 24, 2020 Washington Examiner
A random sampling study shows that at least 6% of the population in Miami, Florida, have coronavirus antibodies, indicating past infection. 165,000 residents of Miami-Dade County tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, suggesting the rate of people infected could be more than 16 times higher than previously thought, according to a study released by University of Miami researchers on Friday.
The study, set into motion by local officials, will be an ongoing weekly survey randomly selecting residents who volunteer to submit pinpricks of blood to show whether they were positive in the past. Friday’s results were based off two weeks of countywide testing of about 1,400 participants, and researchers found that about half of those who tested positive did not report symptoms in the previous 14-17 days, according to the Miami Herald.
"What we're finding out is something we've frankly known all along. There are a lot of asymptomatic cases out there where people are carrying the virus but are not experiencing any symptoms," Miami Mayor Carlos Gimenez said in a press conference.
Antibody studies across the globe are reporting similar findings.
A high school in France this week determined that 25% of students and staff possessed coronavirus antibodies requiring nine hospitalizations but zero deaths.
A random sampling test conducted by Stanford researchers in Santa Clara County, California, concluded that the coronavirus is 50-85 times more prevalent than previously thought, and the fatality rate is 50-85 times lower. Nearly one-third of a group of 200 people tested in Massachusetts were positive for virus antibodies.
A statewide antibody study found that 21.2% of New York City residents have been infected with the coronavirus, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Thursday. The study tested 3,000 New York residents statewide at grocery and big-box stores for antibodies that indicate whether someone has had the virus. Overall, it found that 13.9% of New York state residents had been infected.
The highest rates of past infections occurred in and around New York City, which has been the epicenter of the US outbreak. In Long Island, 16.7% tested positive, and in Westchester and Rockland counties, 11.7% tested positive. In the rest of the state, just 3.6% tested positive. "What we found so far is that the statewide number is 13.9% tested positive for having the antibodies," Cuomo said. "They were infected three weeks ago, four weeks ago, five weeks ago, six weeks ago, but they had the virus, they developed the antibodies and they are now recovered."
When broken down by race, African Americans and Latinos tested positive at twice the rate of whites in New York — at 22.1% and 22.5% respectively, compared to 9.1% for Whites — though Cuomo said that these results are a function of where people live. Men tested positive at a slightly higher rate than women, at 15.9% versus 12% percent respectively.
The tests were conducted in 40 localities across 19 counties in the state. New York state has 19.4 million residents, meaning that approximately 2.7 million have been infected with COVID-19, per the study. The state recorded just under 15,500 fatalities as of Wednesday, indicating a mortality rate of around 0.5% — far lower than previous estimates. The study has limitations and Cuomo noted that the results are preliminary. To start, the study relied on a self-selected sample of New Yorkers who went to grocery stores where testing was happening. It's possible that those who thought they had coronavirus and are no longer symptomatic sought out tests.
"These are people who were out and about shopping," Cuomo said. "They were not people who were in their homes, they were not people who were isolated, they were not people who were quarantined." The full results and methodology have not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal or released to the public.
The death toll remains high, but indicators are trending in the right direction •The state reported 438 deaths on Thursday, down from 474 on Wednesday, bringing the death toll in the state to 15,740, per the Department of Health. The total number of cases is 263,460, though that number is likely higher based on the antibody test results, Cuomo said. •Both intubations and ICU admissions declined as well, continuing similar trends for this week. •Still, more than 1300 patients were admitted to hospitals on Wednesday. That number has remained relatively flat since late last week.
Here are the other key takeaways from Cuomo's Thursday press conference: •The state will launch an investigation into nursing homes led by New York Attorney General Letitia James. The investigation will look into the high number of deaths recorded at nursing homes, and whether the homes are adhering to the Department of Health guidelines by isolating COVID-positive residences, providing protective care and temperature checks for workers, and notifying family members of positive tests, among other points. •Cuomo said the lower rates of antibodies in upstate New York could provide credence to a regionally-based reopening, letting stores, businesses, and schools reopen in areas where infection rates are lowest. Cuomo cautioned that the study's results are preliminary, and it won't be used immediately to make reopening decisions. •Cuomo laid into Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, calling him a "self-proclaimed Grim Reaper" over McConnell's assertion that the federal stimulus package is a "blue state bailout" and that states like New York that are seriously affected by the coronavirus should consider declaring bankruptcy.
That last point was slipped in under the radar there, and without context.
McConnell's comments are about resisting doing bailouts for Democrat-governed states that had high debt and were teetering on the edge of bankruptcy for many years prior to the current Covid-19 crisis. That federal bailouts would be a clandestine way for Dems to cloak bailouts for state bankruptcies that have nothing to do with the Covid-19 epidemic, and is just a clandestine way for Democrats to clear the books for their own irresponsible spending. Under cover of the current crisis.
It should also be pointed out that New Jersy has the second highest number of Covid-19 cases and fatalities in the U.S., and that is among New Jersey residents who commute to work in New York City. I haven't seen that cited in the cases of Connecticut, Rhode Island or Massachusetts, but I'd wager the high numbers for those states are for the same reason. Certainly for Florida where I live, the first cases here were seeded by by New York area residents who flew here and/or have second residences here. Boca Raton where I live has the highest rate of any city in Palm Beach county, and many are from and feequently travel to New York. 60% of all cases in Florida are in Dade, Browward and Plalm Beach counties, the area of the state that has the largest travel to and from New York.
Cuomo has been making the case for states needing coronavirus aid money for a while now. States need the money because of the shutdowns and it’s not constitutional for them to declare bankruptcy as Mitch wants. To put this in more perspective, even republican King from NY compared McConnell to Marie Antoinette. This was a rare political miscalculation on Mitch’s part I think. Kentucky sucks on the federal money that NY and other states pay in. Cuomo is right that it’s been NY bailing out Mitch’s state all this time. For McConnell to block much needed aid to the states because he sees it as hurting blue states is really crappy nor smart partisanship.
Despite the science that increasingly shows this shutdown is not the most effective way to contain the Covid-19 virus and save lives.
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We already knew the shutdown wasn’t the most effective way but because our government blew it on testing at the beginning of this that was what we were left with. As of last week we still don’t have enough testing despite what Trump has said. States are starting to partially reopen but it could happen a lot faster with less risk with more testing capacity.
And I don’t think it’s been established that you have immunity after having contracted Covid. Actually it sounds like that is very much in doubt right now. Hopefully that is not the case!
Cuomo has been making the case for states needing coronavirus aid money for a while now. States need the money because of the shutdowns and it’s not constitutional for them to declare bankruptcy as Mitch wants. To put this in more perspective, even republican King from NY compared McConnell to Marie Antoinette. This was a rare political miscalculation on Mitch’s part I think. Kentucky sucks on the federal money that NY and other states pay in. Cuomo is right that it’s been NY bailing out Mitch’s state all this time. For McConnell to block much needed aid to the states because he sees it as hurting blue states is really crappy nor smart partisanship.
Cuomo failed to prepare his own state for this epidemic when warned by his own health department in 2015, and despite having the highest ffatalities the lying Newspeak liberal media fawns over him as "the golden governor", despite the most devastating losses in the country, vastly hyper-spread by resistance to the China travel bans and Democrat public officials openly encouraging crowd events that exploded the level of fatalities. Including Mayor Deblasio, and his own New York city health director!
You keep trying to sell Mitch McConnell as Marie Antoinette, but as I already said above, that is a lying Democrat counter-narrative intended to hide and replace the Marie Antoinette image and commercials surrounding Nancy Pelosi and her $24,000 freezer filled with 12-dollar-a pint expensive ice cream for blue bloods, that *FAR* more fits the mold of Marie Antoinette. As Pelosi simultaneously denies and stalls loans for weeks to intentionally kill millions of small businesses, more of which fold every day she delays, she sits around and calms her anxiety with expensive ice cream from her $24,000 freezer. Multiple pundits from both sides have marvelled at the incredible out-of-touchness of Pelosi to have done this interview and made these remarks.
In McConnell's case, the logic of what he says can only be distorted by the liberal media's deliberate omission of the facts: These Democrat states have been deficit-spending and bankrupting themselves for years, in many cases decades. It was not the Coronavirus crisis that bankrupted them, they were already broke. No federal bailout should be done to hide the Democrats' irresponsible deficit spending, that *FAR* preceded the current crisis.
Despite the science that increasingly shows this shutdown is not the most effective way to contain the Covid-19 virus and save lives.
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We already knew the shutdown wasn’t the most effective way but because our government blew it on testing at the beginning of this that was what we were left with. As of last week we still don’t have enough testing despite what Trump has said. States are starting to partially reopen but it could happen a lot faster with less risk with more testing capacity.
And I don’t think it’s been established that you have immunity after having contracted Covid. Actually it sounds like that is very much in doubt right now. Hopefully that is not the case!
No. Not true.
The goal was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, and doctors and nurses having to "triage" and choose what patients they would attempt to save, and which would be left to die unassisted, as occurred in Italy, Spain, and China.
The goal of the shutdown was successful: Trump set up temporary hospitals, and used the military and private sector to assist im manufacturing ventilators and other vital medical equipment. So successful that much of those un-needed resources have been rediverted and shared with other parts of the country, and with other harder-hit nations in other parts of the world.
The closest our hospitals came to being overwhelmed was in the New York area, where there were 40,000 beds prepared, and at the high point of the crissis only 18,500 beds were filled. Thank God. Better overprepared, than not enough. The point being, you are either lying, or misled by other Democrats' lying propaganda. It was sucessful, we are now over-prepared, and stocked up for another outbreak of Coronavirus or some other new outbreak.
Out government (at least not Trump) didn't "blow it". They prepared for the worst, and were successful. Gocvernor Andrew Cuomo estimated that 140,000 beds would be needed, and both he and his statisticians were dead wrong, and yet were never called on it. Ohhhhh, he's the golden governor, he's so presidential, what leadership! fawns the liberal media. Never citing the facts that if not for Trump's massive and disproportionate aid to New York state "Presidential" Cuomo would have been overwhelmed, and Cuomo's failure to act on the 2015 recommendations of his OWN STATE HEATH DEPARTMENT to prepare for such an emergency would have been exposed. Cuomo looks "presidential" despite that he failed his state and did nothing, and then Trump came in with federal aid that his Cuomo'ss negligence, and saved Cuomo's bacon.
To date, the U.S. under Trump has done far more testing then any other nation, abut 4.8 million tests, well on schedule for Pence's goaal of 5 million tests by the end of the month, and 20 million by the end of May. It is only by completely misrepresenting the true facts that you can slander Trump. But the facts remain the facts.
Here is Newt Gingrich a week ago deconstructing how Democrats are deliberately stalling legislation and causing economic chaos, throwing tens of millionss of working Americans under the bus, just to try and damage the economy, to try and damage Trump, in the months before an election. Democrats don't give a damn about these people.
Cuomo has been making the case for states needing coronavirus aid money for a while now. States need the money because of the shutdowns and it’s not constitutional for them to declare bankruptcy as Mitch wants. To put this in more perspective, even republican King from NY compared McConnell to Marie Antoinette. This was a rare political miscalculation on Mitch’s part I think. Kentucky sucks on the federal money that NY and other states pay in. Cuomo is right that it’s been NY bailing out Mitch’s state all this time. For McConnell to block much needed aid to the states because he sees it as hurting blue states is really crappy nor smart partisanship.
Cuomo failed to prepare his own state for this epidemic when warned by his own health department in 2015, and despite having the highest ffatalities the lying Newspeak liberal media fawns over him as "the golden governor", despite the most devastating losses in the country, vastly hyper-spread by resistance to the China travel bans and Democrat public officials openly encouraging crowd events that exploded the level of fatalities. Including Mayor Deblasio, and his own New York city health director!
You keep trying to sell Mitch McConnell as Marie Antoinette, but as I already said above, that is a lying Democrat counter-narrative intended to hide and replace the Marie Antoinette image and commercials surrounding Nancy Pelosi and her $24,000 freezer filled with 12-dollar-a pint expensive ice cream for blue bloods, that *FAR* more fits the mold of Marie Antoinette. As Pelosi denies and stalls loans for weeks to intentionally kill millions of small businesses, more of which fold every day she delays, she sits around and calms her anxiety with expensive ice cream from her $24,000 freezer. Multiple pundits from both sides have marvelled at the incredible out-of-touchness of Pelosi to have done this interview and made these remarks.
IN McConnell's case the logic of what he says can only be distorted by the liberal media's deliberate omoission of the facts: These Democrat states have been deficit-spending and bankrupting themselves for years, in many cases decades. It was not the Coronavirus crisis that bankrupted them, they were already broke. No federal bailout should be done to hide the Democrats' irresponsible deficit spending, that *FAR* preceded the current crisis.
Yes Cuomo didn’t prepare for a pandemic just like Trump didn’t. And when republicans are comparing McConnell to Marie Antoinette it’s pretty out of touch that this is all partisan dem spin. Again Mitch’s state of Kentucky takes the federal money NY pays in. Now when NY needs help because of the pandemic Mitch wants to screw them over and all the other states? Bankruptcy isn’t even a legal Options for states and as Cuomo has explained will hurt the economy even more. Again Mitch’s state is actually the one that gets federally bailed out while states like NY provide the funding Kentucky takes.
Yes Cuomo didn’t prepare for a pandemic just like Trump didn’t.
You still haven't made a case for that, beyond partisan B.S. Trump prepared resources far beyond what was needed, to the point that hospitals are sending staff home, naval hospital ships are being re-assigned, and even hardest hit New York is sending ventilators to other states. Trump's leadership is responsible for that over-preparation, so that we are now prepared for any resurgence elsewhere in the country.
Your side relentlessly manufactures fake issues and wild speculation about Trump, and the pandemic is no exception over the last 4 years:
TRUMP HAS CORONAVIRUS! TRUMP AND FAUCI HAD A FALLING OUT! WHY WAS FAUCI NOT ATTENDING TODAY'S PRESS BRIEFING?!? TRUMP IS FIRING FAUCI! TRUMP IS FIRING HHS SECRETARY AZAR!! FAUCI DISAGREES WITH TRUMP!! Every time a day later your side and the liberal media is proven wrong, and they just move on a day later to the next lying fake talking point, never acknowledging they were completely wrong every previous day.
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And when republicans are comparing McConnell to Marie Antoinette it’s pretty out of touch that this is all partisan dem spin.
The self-promoting former Republican representative from Michigan, who was a Republican and is now an "independent", who in truth caucuses with the Democrats. You're such a fucking liar, M E M. That's so clearly a lying narrative.
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Again Mitch’s state of Kentucky takes the federal money NY pays in. Now when NY needs help because of the pandemic Mitch wants to screw them over and all the other states?
You're sticking to your lying talking points, that doesn't make them any more believable or true. AS I SAID the debt these Democrat states have racked up far precedes the current pandemic crisis. Why should the federal government cover for Dems' own irresponsibility, that going decades back, far precedes the pandemic? If it was only debt from the pandemic crisis, I'd say yes, they should be covered. But in truth it's just another Democrat deception, under cover of the pandemic crisis. Democrat governors nationwide have engaged in deficit spending for decades, and want to use the current crisis to hide their irresponsible spending over many years, by having a federal bailout. No way.
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Bankruptcy isn’t even a legal option for states and as Cuomo has explained will hurt the economy even more. Again Mitch’s state is actually the one that gets federally bailed out while states like NY provide the funding Kentucky takes.
Just to prove you're a fucking liar for blaming Republicans, Kentucky is led by a Democrat governor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Beshear And throughout most of the preceding 15 years was run by Democrat governors.
Last time I checked, Mitch McConnell is a Senator, and not a governor or other executive in charge at any time of Kentucky's budget and spending.
The governors of Kentucky have been:
Andy Beshear (Democrat, December 10, 2019- present) Matt Bevin (Republican, December 8, 2015 – December 10, 2019) Steven Beshear (Democrat, December 11, 2007 – December 8, 2015)
...the explosion of public debt in Kentucky occurred under the 8 years of Democrat Steven Beshear, and that his successor Republican Bevin, whatever else he did as governor, initially made an improvement in reducing debt, followed by a spike in state debt in 2017.
In fairness, it seems to not be related to the decisions of governors of either party, but by lower bureaucrats who made bad choices funding the pension programs for Kentucky state employees, dating back to the 2008 national financial collapse: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...ere/2317233002/
But since you made it partisan, I thought I would point out this happened mostly on a Democrat's watch. Even though that appears to not be the root cause. And this is for state budget deficit.
But neither list specifies the reasons why each state receives or doesn't receive federal funding. I could understand why Alaska receives net federal funding (vs. paid tax dollars). Alaska is a state isolated from the rest of the country, that borders Russia and has oil and national defense benefits, despite having a small population. Why some of the others, such as Kentucky receive a lot of federal dollars (both personal/individual support with federal dollars, and state government support from federal dollars) is less clear.
State dependency on federal funding is something that was first solicited by FDR in the 1930's, that he used to buy loyalty, to turn states into Democrat supporters. That is where 8 decades of federal graft and pork spending began.
I’m not sure what you exactly consider a lie WB. Kentucky does take federal money. NY pays out Mitch’s state takes it. The governor may be a democrat but that doesn’t change the fact that Kentucky (like Florida) takes federal money while states like NY pays out more.
As for Cuomo not preparing for a pandemic like Trump didn’t, neither had the stock piles of supplies recommended. Trump of course takes no responsibility for not replenishing anything over the years he’s been President. What are you calling a lie?
I’m not sure what you exactly consider a lie WB. Kentucky does take federal money. NY pays out Mitch’s state takes it. The governor may be a democrat but that doesn’t change the fact that Kentucky (like Florida) takes federal money while states like NY pays out more.
As for Cuomo not preparing for a pandemic like Trump didn’t, neither had the stock piles of supplies recommended. Trump of course takes no responsibility for not replenishing anything over the years he’s been President. What are you calling a lie?
As I cited sources for above, there are a lot of details in that Federal money to states that is glossed over and unexplained, that smack of false narrative the way you (and Gov. Coumo) are spinning them.
As for the "both Trump and Cuomo didn't prepare" false narrative: 1) Gov. Cuomo was directly warned by his own Health Department in a 2015 written report that he was specifically deficient in several thousand ventilator machines, and yet Cuomo ignored the report. In N Y state, with the city that is the most densely populated in the country, that has been the target of multiple recent terrorist attacks. Cuomo had reason to be concerned and prepare, but he instead ignored specific warnings of his own health department. 2) Trump was in office a shorter time and was not similarly warned. Despite this, Dr Anthony Fauci gave a videotaped speech in Jan 2017 just before Trump was inaugurated, warning that a pendemic was likely from China in the next few years. It seems to me that Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) were the two who should have prepared for such a threat and sounded the alarm for funding and preparation, if only behind closed doors to the president. As with the long delayed Covid-19 test kits as well, it is their failure, not Trump's, to push for these preparations. I would point out also that against their advisement to leave the border open, Trump gave an order to suspend all travel from China on Jan 31st, long before the first death by Covid-19 in the U.S. had occurred. Fauci as well was on television on virtually every network downplaying that Covid-19 was a threat to the U.S., that the annual flu was a greater threat to Americans, and as recently as March 9th advised a caller asking if he should cancel his cruiseline trip due to Covid-19, Fauci advised him not to worry and go on his cruise!
These are the "experts" who lead the NIH and CDC! These were the people advising President Trump. Ossosite of Cuomo who was sspecifically warned of specifically such a pandemic outbreak, CDC and NIH were downplaying the threat to Trump. And yet in lying demagogue narrative, you try to blame Trump for not acting?!? Be serious. Trump did more than his leading medical experts, and yet you (the Democrats and liberal media, who were ALSO downplaying the pandemic threat until mid-March) demonized Trump as "over-reacting" and "racist" for the steps up till then he took, way beyond what Obama, Hillary, Biden, or any other establishment Democrat or Republican would have done. Based on that evidence, you are such a fucking liar. Trump early on put an immediate stop to 20,000 visitors a day arriving from China. If Trump did less than he could have, blame the medical experts who were running CDC and NIH since at least when Obama was president, and some of them back to Ronald Reagan, who were assuring Trump those actions and preparations were not necessary. As I just detailed above, Trump resisted their advice and did more than Obama or any of the other Dems criticizing him would have done. Period. End of argument. Absolute fact.
Laura Ingraham devoted the majority of her program last night to a half dozen doctors who have seen clear results and saved many patients with Hydroxychloroquine. And detailing the Democrat Left, liberal media, and apparently a Democrat-aligned wing of the medical establishment's propaganda holy war on progress, regarding a drug that outside the U.S. has proven to have a high ratio of success in fighting Covid-19, and saved many lives.
Laura Ingraham devoted the majority of her program last night to a half dozen doctors who have seen clear results and saved many patients with Hydroxychloroquine. And detailing the Democrat Left, liberal media, and apparently a Democrat-aligned wing of the medical establishment's propaganda holy war on progress, regarding a drug that outside the U.S. has proven to have a high ratio of success in fighting Covid-19, and saved many lives.
You like to paint this as a partisan issue WB but even Trump’s people like Dr. Fauci are not on board. I hope it does turn out to be a useful lifesaving drug to battle Covid but I don’t think we’re there yet.
I’m not sure what you exactly consider a lie WB. Kentucky does take federal money. NY pays out Mitch’s state takes it. The governor may be a democrat but that doesn’t change the fact that Kentucky (like Florida) takes federal money while states like NY pays out more.
As for Cuomo not preparing for a pandemic like Trump didn’t, neither had the stock piles of supplies recommended. Trump of course takes no responsibility for not replenishing anything over the years he’s been President. What are you calling a lie?
As I cited sources for above, there are a lot of details in that Federal money to states that is glossed over and unexplained, that smack of false narrative the way you (and Gov. Coumo) are spinning them.
As for the "both Trump and Cuomo didn't prepare" false narrative: 1) Gov. Cuomo was directly warned by his own Health Department in a 2015 written report that he was specifically deficient in several thousand ventilator machines, and yet Cuomo ignored the report. In N Y state, with the city that is the most densely populated in the country, that has been the target of multiple recent terrorist attacks. Cuomo had reason to be concerned and prepare, but he instead ignored specific warnings of his own health department. 2) Trump was in office a shorter time and was not similarly warned. Despite this, Dr Anthony Fauci gave a videotaped speech in Jan 2017 just before Trump was inaugurated, warning that a pendemic was likely from China in the next few years. It seems to me that Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) were the two who should have prepared for such a threat and sounded the alarm for funding and preparation, if only behind closed doors to the president. As with the long delayed Covid-19 test kits as well, it is their failure, not Trump's, to push for these preparations. I would point out also that against their advisement to leave the border open, Trump gave an order to suspend all travel from China on Jan 31st, long before the first death by Covid-19 in the U.S. had occurred. Fauci as well was on television on virtually every network downplaying that Covid-19 was a threat to the U.S., that the annual flu was a greater threat to Americans, and as recently as March 9th advised a caller asking if he should cancel his cruiseline trip due to Covid-19, Fauci advised him not to worry and go on his cruise!
These are the "experts" who lead the NIH and CDC! These were the people advising President Trump. Ossosite of Cuomo who was sspecifically warned of specifically such a pandemic outbreak, CDC and NIH were downplaying the threat to Trump. And yet in lying demagogue narrative, you try to blame Trump for not acting?!? Be serious. Trump did more than his leading medical experts, and yet you (the Democrats and liberal media, who were ALSO downplaying the pandemic threat until mid-March) demonized Trump as "over-reacting" and "racist" for the steps up till then he took, way beyond what Obama, Hillary, Biden, or any other establishment Democrat or Republican would have done. Based on that evidence, you are such a fucking liar. Trump early on put an immediate stop to 20,000 visitors a day arriving from China. If Trump did less than he could have, blame the medical experts who were running CDC and NIH since at least when Obama was president, and some of them back to Ronald Reagan, who were assuring Trump those actions and preparations were not necessary. As I just detailed above, Trump resisted their advice and did more than Obama or any of the other Dems criticizing him would have done. Period. End of argument. Absolute fact.
Trump limited travel and than said it was under control. As it spread throughout the US he kept downplaying the threat. And for over 3 years did nothing to replenish the national stockpile. Are you going to pretend he wasn’t warned that we were unprepared for a pandemic at the federal level but Cuomo at the state level was? Most Governors are showing increased popularity as many have scrambled to compensate for a disorganized and slow federal response. Trump’s is back down to his most loyal fans.
Trump takes no responsibility at all and has spent hours on camera praising himself while rambling on with partisan attacks and misinformation in the middle of a pandemic. It’s all on tape and will be part of the historical record. I don’t believe the gop is going to be able to spin it.
Yeah it would be nice to reopen everything back up. It would be nice having a president that actually took responsibility and had some empathy too. Instead we have Trump saying crap like this when even by the feds standards it’s not safe to reopen schools.
You like to paint this as a partisan issue WB but even Trump’s people like Dr. Fauci are not on board. I hope it does turn out to be a useful lifesaving drug to battle Covid but I don’t think we’re there yet.
That is the current narrative your side is selling. Now that all your previous narratives were proven wrong.
Trump limited travel and than said it was under control. As it spread throughout the US he kept downplaying the threat. And for over 3 years did nothing to replenish the national stockpile. Are you going to pretend he wasn’t warned that we were unprepared for a pandemic at the federal level but Cuomo at the state level was? Most Governors are showing increased popularity as many have scrambled to compensate for a disorganized and slow federal response. Trump’s is back down to his most loyal fans.
I've seen no evidence that Trump was warned and then didn't act. The way Gov. Cuomo was clearly warned and didn't act. Trump was acting on the advice of Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC). And those officials were demonstrably assuring the public, and demonstrably advising Trump privately that there was no danger to the U.S., right up till March 9th. As were the entire liberal media. Who you lyingly don't hold to the same standard. As were Democrat leaders like Cuomo, DeBlasio, New York City's health department director, and Nancy Pelosi on the west coast. Who actually encouraged people to go out into crowd events and get infected. Democrats who you lyingly don't hold to the same standard. All these Democrat officials you don't hold responsible to for lack of preparation... but you hold Trump accountable, despite that the medical officials advising Trump were saying every day into mid-March there was no danger? Despite that many of these Democrats officials and liberal media people were railing on Trump as "over-reacting" and "racist" for taking the preventive measures he did?
You're a joke, M E M, you clearly have an irrational one-sided standard, that mutates daily to conform with whatever the Democrat/Media Matters lying talking points are being fronted on any given day.
Despite the abuse Trump took, he clearly pushed for more preventive measures than anyone else would have. If Obama or Hillary or Biden were president, there would have been no travel bans, no southern border security, no move away from dependency on Chinese exports, no private sector mass production of Ventilator machines, of PPE medical equipment, and of test kits to replace the ones the CDC messed up. And the body count would be a lot higher, maybe in the 1 to 2 million originally predicted. THANK GOD Obama or Hillary were not president when this happened!
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Trump takes no responsibility at all and has spent hours on camera praising himself while rambling on with partisan attacks and misinformation in the middle of a pandemic. It’s all on tape and will be part of the historical record. I don’t believe the gop is going to be able to spin it.
The liberal media is clearly part of a zealous partisan effort to destroy Trump. They will never give him credit, therefore he has to point out in press conferences what the media will not report.
If Trump cites his own accomplishments, it's because of a liberal media that absolutely refuses to. They screamed "there won't be enough ventilators! Hospitals will be overwhelmed!" When these things didn't happen, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF TRUMP'S ORGANIZATION AND LEADERSHIP, the media never acknowledged his achievements, and just moved on to the next lying talking points attack.
You're just a lying talking points machine, for whatever lying narrative is being sold against Trump by the Left on any given day. Trump has gotten us through the storm, and is balancing that with economic recovery, and your side is trying to destroy him, AND THE COUNTRY, every step of the way.
Yeah it would be nice to reopen everything back up. It would be nice having a president that actually took responsibility and had some empathy too. Instead we have Trump saying crap like this when even by the feds standards it’s not safe to reopen schools.
While your side is selling its lying narrative to that effect, countries like Sweden, Austria,Belgium, Holland, Germany, Czech republic, and even Spain and Italy are gradually re-opening their countries. Far faster than the U.S. While I share concern for opening the economy safely, and like anyone else am concerned about a resurgence, it seems to me that Fauci and Birx are overseeing that re-opening and as Birx said, they look county-by-county, and if there is a resurgence of cases, they will re-instate shelter restrictions. But clearly they want to do it right the first time, so they don't have to issue a new shelter order later.
You also seem to be selling (like so many times before) a lying narrative of a conflict between Fauci and Trump, despite that Fauci has never expressed that, and is right there in front of the cameras with Trump every day.
If you look at the numbers, the ratio of fatalities for the U.S. is lower than any nation in Europe except Germany. Why assume the worst, except because of a mindless hatred of Trump and partisan zeal to destroy him?
Sweden NEVER had a shutdown, and yet has a ratio of infections and deaths on a par with the U.S. and other countries. And as I cited with linked sources, the outbreak in the U.S. has been far wider than previously known, as revealed by random testing in Santa Clara county (San Francisco area), Los Angeles County, Miami, four Ohio State prisons tested, the New York state area, and foreign studies such as in Iceland. This virus is highly infectious and spreading beyond expectations, but that ISN'T Trump'ss fault. Despite your obsessive need to MAKE IT his fault. The fortunate thing is in a majority of cases it is mild or even symptom free, and the fatality rate is far lower than they initially believed a few weeks ago. Previously believed to be about a 3% death rate, with random population tests nationwide now believed to be about 0.02%.
AGAIN: the reason for the shutdown was to prepare hospitals so they would be fully supllied and ready, and not be overwhelmed. That goal was reached and the peak passed around April 14th. So what is the logic at this point of a complete shutdown, in a third of the country, that was never even impacted?
Many believe Democrat governors and their brethren in Washington are abusing the shutdown to advance authoritarian socialist abuses against gunstores and Christians and other groups they don't like, and to advance welfare spending and other spending way beyond the needed period. And to prolong the economic destruction to damage Trump in the November election. And in the process, throw 27 million small business owners and their hurting employees under the bus, just to advance Democrat power.
Trump limited travel and than said it was under control. As it spread throughout the US he kept downplaying the threat. And for over 3 years did nothing to replenish the national stockpile. Are you going to pretend he wasn’t warned that we were unprepared for a pandemic at the federal level but Cuomo at the state level was? Most Governors are showing increased popularity as many have scrambled to compensate for a disorganized and slow federal response. Trump’s is back down to his most loyal fans.
I've seen no evidence that Trump was warned and then didn't act. The way Gov. Cuomo was clearly warned and didn't act. ....
I’m pretty amazed that you haven’t seen any evidence. Does it make any sense that a governor would have better intelligence and information about pandemic preparedness than the president? Nope. I’m sure I’ve posted several links to articles about how Trump really can’t truthfully say nobody could have seen this coming. Obama’s administration ran a simulation for the incoming Trump administration and they also ran one last year. Obama also had a pandemic response book that Trump didn’t follow. Supposedly because it was outdated but if it had been followed critical needed decisions would have been made much sooner. Here’s the link.. Coronavirus Outbreak: a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
There is plenty of evidence WB and it’s pretty easy to google and see it. I suspect somebody who thinks Trump proclaiming he takes no responsibility at all is great leadership isn’t going to “see” any evidence.
You like to paint this as a partisan issue WB but even Trump’s people like Dr. Fauci are not on board. I hope it does turn out to be a useful lifesaving drug to battle Covid but I don’t think we’re there yet.
That is the current narrative your side is selling. Now that all your previous narratives were proven wrong.
I thought what Fauci said than sounded right as I do now. What was proven wrong?
President Donald Trump's polling numbers are tanking across the board amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Americans increasingly disapprove of his handling of the presidency as well as his approach to the coronavirus pandemic, and he's trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in the 2020 race, polling shows.
Comparatively, a number of GOP governors have enjoyed a surge in approval over their handling of coronavirus. Unlike Trump, these Republican leaders have consistently taken the threat of the virus seriously while following the guidance of public health experts.
After taking steps that left the US less prepared for a pandemic in his first three years as president, Trump ignored warnings from the intelligence community and top advisers on the potentially devastating impact of the virus, while publicly downplaying the threat for weeks.
But as the coronavirus outbreak escalated in startling ways across the US in March, leading the president to declare a national emergency, Trump saw his approval rating briefly go up in what pollsters dubbed a rally-around-the-flag effect. That quickly changed in April as the US death toll and unemployment rose to astronomical levels, while Trump simultaneously turned daily White House press briefings into campaign rally-like events in which he dominated the spotlight, berating reporters and spreading false information in the process.
The contrast between Trump's handling of the pandemic and the approach taken by a number of Republican governors could not be more stark. And the consequences of this with voters appears to be playing out in the polls. ...
I think Trump is convinced that if the economy isn’t back on the upswing he’s in trouble but he actually saw a slight bump when he changed his messaging on coronavirus to make it appear he was treating the pandemic seriously. It dissolved as he went back to partisan attacks and trying to shift blame all the while demanding praise. Hours and hours of Trump being Trump has paid off...for democrats.
Trump limited travel and than said it was under control. As it spread throughout the US he kept downplaying the threat. And for over 3 years did nothing to replenish the national stockpile. Are you going to pretend he wasn’t warned that we were unprepared for a pandemic at the federal level but Cuomo at the state level was? Most Governors are showing increased popularity as many have scrambled to compensate for a disorganized and slow federal response. Trump’s is back down to his most loyal fans.
I've seen no evidence that Trump was warned and then didn't act. The way Gov. Cuomo was clearly warned and didn't act. ....
I’m pretty amazed that you haven’t seen any evidence. Does it make any sense that a governor would have better intelligence and information about pandemic preparedness than the president? Nope.
What are you even babbling?
It's a fact that Gov. Cuomo was given a report by his own health department in 2015 (that I linked earlier) showing he was short several thousand ventilator machines of what was needed for specifically such an outbreak, and was urgently recommended to purchase thousands of ventilator machines for New York, particularly for New York City, the most densely populated region of the country, and aa well-known terrorist target. Cuomo ignored the report, and actually for some reason auctioned off to an unknown buyer most of the other ventilator machines in the state's inventory. If not for Trump, New York state, already the most devastated region by Covid-19 IN THE WORLD, would have fared far worse in the last 2 months. No credit is given to Trump, who was for his effort repeatedly slandered by the governor he bailed out.
There was no such advance advisory given by NIH and CDC to President Trump. Fauci in a separate videotaped speech in Jan 2017, right before Trump was inaugurated, foresaw another pandemic outbreak occurring in the next few years, projected to be in the same category as SARS, MERS, and H1N1/Swine Flu. But this same Fauci consistently gave public assurances that Covid-19 was not a threat to the U.S., right up until March 9th !
Your babble about how "a governor would have better intelligence and information about pandemic preparedness than the president?" makes absolutely no sense. Gov. Cuomo was given a task force report by his own state health department, specific to his state and New York City, the most densely populated city in the U.S., and one that had been the target of multiple terrorist attacks in the last 27 years. If Trump did not receive advisories, that is a failure of the NIH and CDC, not of Trump himself. As I said, Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) were giving assurances that Covid-19 was not a threat right up through March 9th. If Trump's trusted medical experts did not see a pandemic threat to the U.S., why would you blame Trump and not them?
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I’m sure I’ve posted several links to articles about how Trump really can’t truthfully say nobody could have seen this coming. Obama’s administration ran a simulation for the incoming Trump administration and they also ran one last year. Obama also had a pandemic response book that Trump didn’t follow. Supposedly because it was outdated but if it had been followed critical needed decisions would have been made much sooner. Here’s the link.. Coronavirus Outbreak: a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
There is plenty of evidence WB and it’s pretty easy to google and see it. I suspect somebody who thinks Trump proclaiming he takes no responsibility at all is great leadership isn’t going to “see” any evidence.
The New York Times is the same paper that has been caught making multiple embarassing false reports about Trump, that have been proven to be false. Such as the story about alleged new witnesses of sexual abuses by Brett Kavanaugh. To the N Y Times' humiliation, *ALL* the "witnesses" cited in the article made public statements that they never said or witnessed the things alleged in the N Y Times article. That has happened repeatedly. The New York Times has made it clear that they've devolved into an unreliable partisan rag that cannot be trusted to tell the truth, particularly about Trump. Their editorial leadership is rabidly anti-Trump, and their "news" reflects that. The N Y Times has become a propaganda wing like Media Matters and MoveOn.org.
When the N Y Times cannot be proven to have gotten the story wrong, they often report with "anonymous sources" that likely don't exist and are just another way to undermine and slander the president.
That N Y Times article is a perfect example of what Dr. Deborah Birx said in an interview on April 25th, that mainstream media tend to be very "slicey-dicey" with their headlines, where they give a headline that implies one thing, and several paragraphs into the article it actually says the opposite of what the headline implies, but that many don't read past the headline. The article you linked doesn't indict Trump, it talks about pandemic preparation pretty much yearly for the last few years, and lower-level CDC/NIH preparation and concern, but that better preparation was either never pushed to higher levels for action, or was never made a priority over many years, either by presidents or by the Senate and Congress.
So ultimately... while the article may not be wrong, the way you presented it and what you implied it said, is again another lie.
You like to paint this as a partisan issue WB but even Trump’s people like Dr. Fauci are not on board. I hope it does turn out to be a useful lifesaving drug to battle Covid but I don’t think we’re there yet.
That is the current narrative your side is selling. Now that all your previous narratives were proven wrong.
I thought what Fauci said than sounded right as I do now. What was proven wrong?
There's nothing specific said here, but I'll be specific about several things Dr. Fauci (representing the NIH) has been wrong about.
All through January, February and up until March 9th, Dr. Fauci said that he didn't think Covid-19 would be a threat to the U.S., that the annual flu presented more of a threat. Fauci repeatedly said that Covid-19 was less a threat to the U.S. than the annual flu, that U.S. citizens should not change their behavior because of Covid-19, and sshould just go on with their lives as usual. He was clearly wrong.
On March 9th, appearing on CNN, Dr. Fauci took a question from a phone-in caller, a caller saying he was over 60 and had booked a cruise trip, but in light of the recent Covid-19 outbreak, he was considering cancelling his trip. Fauci advised him not to worry and go on with his cruse-ship vacation. On March 9th! As we've seen with multiple cruise ships less than 2 weeks after that broadcast, Fauci was clearly wrong. Cruise ships were clearly among the worst places to be during the pandemic. In some cases trapped aboard untreated for weeks.
Dr. Fauci and the NIH gave $3.7 million to the exact bio-medical research lab in Wuhan that is the source of this outbreak, for purposes of studying the exact line of bat-viruses that Covid-19 came from. It has been revealed that the Chinese and their "Bat man" doctor studying bat viruses, were actually working on how to create more virulent strains of these viruses from bats. So in effect, Dr. Fauci funded the very cause of the outbreak. Was helping fund Chinese bio-weapons for potential use against the United States. Further, going back to 2016 and 2017, CDC doctors who visited the Wuhan bio-reseach lab reported alarmingly lax conditions at the lab, far below standards, that they warned could result in an outbreak. For example, worn-out rubber seals on refrigerators the viruses were stored in, that could result in the viruses escaping and spreading from the un-secured freezers.
Dr Fauci in January 2020 trusted the Chinese when they said the Covid-19 virus was not infectious and spread human-to-human, despite that over the last 20 years the Chinese have repeatedly proven themselves untrustworthy and secretive, in the SARS, MERS, and H1N1 and other epidemics. Fauci took the Chinese at their word, despite that the word of China has repeatedly proven worthless.
If Trump failed to act, it is because Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) as medical experts gave Trump assurances that he didn't need to act. Despite the advice to the contrary of both doctors, Trump initiated a suspension of all travel from China, 20,00 travelers a day, on Jan 31st. Trump was right, Fauci and Redfield were wrong.
Up til mid-March, anytime Trump didn't take maximum precautions, it was on the advice of Dr. Fauci. And as I said, Dr. Fauci was on television every day til March 9th offering assurances that Covid-19 would not affect the United States.
So much of what you blame Trump for, actually is blame you should put on Fauci and Redfield.
Further, as I linked earlier in an article on the delays in the test kits, it was when Trump sent outside people into the CDC and NIH to bypass the bureaucray in those departments that were holding things up that finally got mass-production of the test kits into motion.
President Donald Trump's polling numbers are tanking across the board amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Americans increasingly disapprove of his handling of the presidency as well as his approach to the coronavirus pandemic, and he's trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in the 2020 race, polling shows.
Comparatively, a number of GOP governors have enjoyed a surge in approval over their handling of coronavirus. Unlike Trump, these Republican leaders have consistently taken the threat of the virus seriously while following the guidance of public health experts.
After taking steps that left the US less prepared for a pandemic in his first three years as president, Trump ignored warnings from the intelligence community and top advisers on the potentially devastating impact of the virus, while publicly downplaying the threat for weeks.
But as the coronavirus outbreak escalated in startling ways across the US in March, leading the president to declare a national emergency, Trump saw his approval rating briefly go up in what pollsters dubbed a rally-around-the-flag effect. That quickly changed in April as the US death toll and unemployment rose to astronomical levels, while Trump simultaneously turned daily White House press briefings into campaign rally-like events in which he dominated the spotlight, berating reporters and spreading false information in the process.
The contrast between Trump's handling of the pandemic and the approach taken by a number of Republican governors could not be more stark. And the consequences of this with voters appears to be playing out in the polls. ...
I think Trump is convinced that if the economy isn’t back on the upswing he’s in trouble but he actually saw a slight bump when he changed his messaging on coronavirus to make it appear he was treating the pandemic seriously. It dissolved as he went back to partisan attacks and trying to shift blame all the while demanding praise. Hours and hours of Trump being Trump has paid off...for democrats.
I was watching discussion of this last night on Fox Business News. Trump was at 60% approval two weeks ago on his handling of the Coronavirus outbreak. Trump's approval on handling the Covid-19 outbreak has "tanked" to... 50% approval. 50% approval is pretty fucking high, for a "tank" in the polls.
I'd further point out that Trump currently has 56% approval on handling the economy. And the economy is the issue that presidents get re-elected on.
I'd suspect the 10% dip in approval has to do with national fatigue on the duration of the shut-down. But people certainly know that Biden and the Democrats absolutely offer no better alternative. I'd also suspect that people feel a bit of anxiety and uncertainty about re-opening the economy. But if that goes well, then Trump should rise in the polls again.
I would argue that the death tolls were highest in the New York area, because that was a region where its leadership didn't take the crisis seriously, political leaders who ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED crowded festival and night club gatherings, so as to demonstrate not being "racist" like Trump. That resulted in an explosion of cases and deaths worse than anywhere IN THE WORLD! Trump can hardly be blamed for that regional failure.
And yet the New York governor who orchestrated that failure is hailed in the liberal media as the "golden governor" and "presidential", even as he oversaw the worst outbreak in the world. A death total that would have been far worse without Trump's federal assistance, providing more ventilators than were requested, providing field hospitals that went largely unused. Ventilators that Gov. Cuomo himself caused a deficiency of, despite a 2015 warning report.
So... why is there resistance to hydroxychloroquine? Only because President Trump supports its use.
Most patients with hydroxychloroquine recover within 5 to 6 days.
The next closest is remdesevir, which cures people in 11 days, is more expensive, and can only be administered by IV in a hospital. Whereas hydroxychloroquine can be taken orally, usually in combination with zinc (that inhibits virus reproduction), and Azithromycin (a strong antibiotic). Hydroxychloroquine can be taken to prevent Covid-19 infection, can be taken early into symptoms of Covid-19, that prevents severe symptoms and hospitalization. And in multiple cases, several of which I've linked here, people were literally at death's door with Covid-19, and made a recovery within hours of hydroxychloroquine being administered.
It's highly suspicious that it's consistently Democrat governors and political leaders who oppose the use of hydroxychloroquine. Democrats who would rather let 2,000 people a day die than credit President Trump with a good decision in supporting its use. Although the governor in this case is a Republican.
The only other reason I've seen speculated as a resistance to hydroxychloroquine is that it is inexpensive and not profitable to drug manufacturers, and apparently anyone can produce it, so it is not exclusively owned by any drug manufacturer. Again, hydroxychloroquine has been in use since 1944, and FDA approved since 1955, and highly prescribed for many years to patients with malaria, lupus, and lyme disease. Not just for 5 or 6 days as it is with Covid-19 patients, but is prescribed for years to people wih these lifelong chronic conditions, with no noteworthy side effects, which prescribing physicians cite as extremely rare.
A prescription for hydroxychloroquine is less than $20.00. So possibly the search is on for a more expensive patented drug that does the same job. Remdesevir fits that bill. Keeping people on ventilator machines is also more profitable.
I begin to see why Ducey would oppose the drug for political reasons. He's a Republican in the mold of Jeff Flake and Mitt Romney. A self-serving politically motivated RINO who is more motivated by which way the political wind is blowing, than in doing the right thing.
The AAPS also according to the article you linked to believes...
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The AAPS itself is an organisation that opposes abortion and universal healthcare. Their statement of principles declares that it is “evil” and “immoral” for physicians to participate in Medicare and Medicaid. It has previously said that electronic medical records are a form of data control that was formerly employed by the East German Stasi. On its website it also a ran a story in 2008 that Presidential candidate Barack Obama may be hypnotising voters.
Honestly I wouldn’t want anyone that belonged to that organization treating me. You continue to try to play this as a political thing but ignore what Trump’s own experts say about the drug. Even under pressure to please Trump Doctor Fauci isn’t on board. Or maybe Fauci was hypnotized by Obama?
So W did a basic ex-president type of thing in a moment of a national disaster. A call for unity shouldn’t warrant an attack. Trump’s response is just another example of why he’s unfit for the office he holds and why I have no problem calling him some explicit names. People have become instantly unemployed while a pandemic sweeps through killing more than those lost in the Vietnam War and Trump has made everything about him. I’m not a fan W but what he said was something Trump is just incapable of.
The AAPS also according to the article you linked to believes...
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The AAPS itself is an organisation that opposes abortion and universal healthcare. Their statement of principles declares that it is “evil” and “immoral” for physicians to participate in Medicare and Medicaid. It has previously said that electronic medical records are a form of data control that was formerly employed by the East German Stasi. On its website it also a ran a story in 2008 that Presidential candidate Barack Obama may be hypnotising voters.
While the "clinical studies" or "double blind studies" haven't oficially been done, the fact remains that thousands of doctors worldwide are prescribing hysroxychloroquine with a remarkable rate of success, in this case cited as over 91% of patients recovering. In others I've cited, thousands of doctors across 40 nations cite hydroxychloroquine as their prescribed treatment of choice for Covid-19. I've noticed a consistent pattern that ONLY in the United States is there resistance to prescribing hydroxychloroquine, and consistently among Democrat leaders who are raabidly anti-Trump, or in the above Arizona case, a Republican who attempts to distance himself from Trump for politically expedient (but spineless) reasons.
Even drugs that are FDA approved are not 100% effective, and often have side effects. An orthopedic surgeon I knew said that Aspirin is the most prescribed medicine, but ironically has the most side effects. In the case of hydroxychloroquine, it has been FDA approved since 1955, just for other therapies than for treating Covid-19. For malaria primarily, also for lupus, and lyme disease, among other things. So it's clearly not "DANGEROUS!!" to prescribe, as Democrats and the liberal media propaagandize. As I've cited repeatedly above, side effects are extraordinarily rare, and the physicians most familiar with the drug make clear. One of the physicians who recommends hydroxychloroquine is Dr. Didier Raoult , a renowned doctor, who runs the French equivalent of the Center For Disease Control.
[quote=M E M]Honestly I wouldn’t want anyone that belonged to that organization treating me. You continue to try to play this as a political thing but ignore what Trump’s own experts say about the drug. Even under pressure to please Trump Doctor Fauci isn’t on board. Or maybe Fauci was hypnotized by Obama?
What Dr Fauci says is that he's reluctant to fully recommend hydroxychloroquine or any other medicine before a thorough peer-reviewed study has been done. That's neither a condemnation or an endorsement on Fauci's part. Despite that hundreds of other doctors across 40 nations, and thousands of recovered patients, are testament to its effectiveness. What this article shows is that a large organization of physicians and surgeons has submitted a peer reviewed study to the governor of Arizona.
The advantage of hydroxychloroquine is that it can treat patients early on, while they are still at home, to not end up crowding hospitals, to allow them to avoid becoming severely ill, to recover at home, without putting others at risk. But in typical Democrat ass-backward obstruction policy, Gov. Cuomo of New York, and Gov. Whitmer of Michigan, only allow hyrdroxychloroquine to be prescribed in a hospital, preventing its being prescribed until the patient is already severely ill, and also forcing more patients to clog hospitals when with less obstructive laws, they could gain effective treatment much earlier. Likewise the Arizona governor.
... TV personality Dr Oz is included for treating people with hydroxychloroquine, reporting it improved COVID-19 symptoms in 100% of his patients. But he only tested two people. Furthermore, many in the medical field do not consider Dr Oz a trusted source due to his numerous endorsements of phony weight lose treatments or false assertions about food products. In 2015, Columbia’s University’s College of Physicians and Surgeons was pressured to fire Oz by other medical professionals.
Recently he was criticised for comments on Fox News. While discussing ending the coronavirus lockdown he said: “I tell ya, schools are a very appetising opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3% in terms of total mortality.”
Another trial listed with 100% effectiveness was carried out on one person, 44 year old former Buffalo Bulls football player Mark Campbell. While boosting the statistics of hydoxychloroquine’s success, this can hardly be taken as representative of an average American coronavirus patient.
There are also many notable omissions and flaws with the data. It does not include fields for reporting side effects, adverse reactions, the number of COVID-19 patients seen or number treated with hydroxychloroquine with or without zinc, how many patients’ conditions improved or how many died.
In major clinical trials, hydroxychloroquine has been revealed to be life threatening in certain COVID-19 patients. In Brazil, a clinical trial was suspended after 11 patients died after taking the drug.
The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has said that no current study has supported the view that “hydroxychloroquine is effective in the management of even mild COVID-19 disease.” The US National Institutes of Health (NIH), on 22 April, also released treatment guidelines for the use of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients, saying it should not be used due to “potential toxicities.”
I think WB you leave a lot of important things out. I can agree with you that politics shouldn’t play a part in a drug getting used but that cuts both ways. It obviously shouldn’t be used just because Trump might look bad pushing a drug that causes more harm than good.
If you look at what the AAPS doctors said to the Arizona governor, it was about getting medical care to patients to prevent them from getting very sick an dying, and not obstructing treatment on a technicality.
For doctors in dozens of nations worldwide, it's about saving patients with hydroxychloroquine. Only in the United States is there an obstruction to that, witholding a medication that has been FDA approved since 1955 !
Again check the article you posted. Something being FDA approved doesn’t mean there is nothing to lose. At least one clinical trial was suspended after 11 patients died taking the drug. And the article covers many more issues. And the AAPS seems to have some ideas I consider pretty whacked out. Obama may be charismatic but I don’t think he has the power to hypnotize people. And Medicare being evil? For so many it’s a lifesaver.
Again check the article you posted. Something being FDA approved doesn’t mean there is nothing to lose. At least one clinical trial was suspended after 11 patients died taking the drug. And the article covers many more issues. And the AAPS seems to have some ideas I consider pretty whacked out. Obama may be charismatic but I don’t think he has the power to hypnotize people. And Medicare being evil? For so many it’s a lifesaver.
In the cases I've seen, these were patients who were already at the edge of death and were too far gone to possibly be saved by hydroxychloroquine. And purposefully administered so late in their deterioration as Covid-19 patients, to purposefully undermine the case for hydroxychloroquine, to select cases to inject the drug past the point they could be saved, by any treatment. There is a weird conspiracy against hydroxychloroquine in the U.S., despite the consensus of the medical community, outside the United States.
It could be a corporate profit motive, pushing away from hydroxychloroquine to therapies more profitable to hospitals and pharmaceutical corporations (due to hyrdrocychloroquine being 75 years old and not patent-owned by pharamceutical corporations) or a political motivation to resist any medication favored by Trump. Or a corrupt nexus of the two.
Again, cure by remdesivir: average 11 days. Cure by hydroxychloroquine: average 5 to 6 days. Which makes more sense to use, when 2,000 patients a day are dying, and hydroxychloroquine has an over 91% ratio of success in over 30 nations worldwide?
Apparently people were asked to remove their masks for a meeting with Pence. He of course is now sensitive to doing photo ops where he refuses to wear one. I normally don’t care about someone else’s vanity but it does illustrate their true character to the lengths that they go.
Apparently people were asked to remove their masks for a meeting with Pence. He of course is now sensitive to doing photo ops where he refuses to wear one. I normally don’t care about someone else’s vanity but it does illustrate their true character to the lengths that they go.
I don't know what the fuck that means, but I'm sure you're implying something negative.
I think Pence has proven himself to be a person of exceptional character, and really, a boy scout among leaders in national politics. We're talking about a guy who won't spend time alone with any woman, out of loyalty and fidelity to his wife. For which he was, of course, widely mocked by the contemptuous Democrat/Left and media, who have no values and no loyalty to anyone.
Whatever the evil minons of the Left detest in Trump, I think their worst nightmare would be Pence beccoming president. Because Trump, like Reagan, is a negotiator (i.e., "I'll give them 25% of what they want, so they'll give me 75% of what I want.") Whereas Pence is a steadfast Christian conservative, and he would push much harder on issues like birth control, abortion, gay nazism, and other extreme pushes of the radical left.
You guys have no idea how lucky you are to be dealing with Trump, someone who is flexible and willing to negotiate. It's ironic that your side treats Trump like a rigid idealogue and demonize him, because if your side would just set aside the hate and demagoguery toward Trump, your side could probably get a lot of what they want. More so than they could with Pence and a lot of other Republican conservatives.
(WHBF) — The same day his press secretary tested positive for COVID-19, Vice President Mike Pence traveled to Iowa without a mask, and a video shows the CEOs he met with at a public roundtable were asked to remove theirs as well.
A video first posted by The Intercept shows Ron Cameron of Mountaire Farms, Ken Sullivan of Smithfield Foods, Rodney McMullen of Kroger, Noel White of Tyson Foods and Zippy Duvall, the president of the American Farm Bureau Federation, being asked to remove their masks before Pence and Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds arrived — maskless — at the roundtable
All five attending the roundtable, hosted at HyVee headquarters in West Des Moines, Iowa, complied. ...
I see it as Pence being of poor character if he forced people meeting with him to not wear a mask for his photo ops.
(WHBF) — The same day his press secretary tested positive for COVID-19, Vice President Mike Pence traveled to Iowa without a mask, and a video shows the CEOs he met with at a public roundtable were asked to remove theirs as well.
A video first posted by The Intercept shows Ron Cameron of Mountaire Farms, Ken Sullivan of Smithfield Foods, Rodney McMullen of Kroger, Noel White of Tyson Foods and Zippy Duvall, the president of the American Farm Bureau Federation, being asked to remove their masks before Pence and Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds arrived — maskless — at the roundtable
All five attending the roundtable, hosted at HyVee headquarters in West Des Moines, Iowa, complied. ...
I see it as Pence being of poor character if he forced people meeting with him to not wear a mask for his photo ops.
I see that as you being a relentless partisan who absolutely refuses to see the admirable qualities in our vice president, no matter what.
As compared to the loathesome opportunists of the Democrat-Bolshevik party you never hold accountable, who lie relentlessly and sow chaos and destruction for their own political benefit, and even weaponize government in Bolshevik and Maoist style against their Republican opponents, such as Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, Ocasio-Cortez, Harry Reid, Joseph Biden and sons, on down. These are vicious Democrat opportunists who constantly enrich themselves with insider trading and sell out with lobbyist insider deals (Biden and family a prime example, and the Clintons, and Reid, and Pelosi), and put the American people at risk in the process. These are people who break every law, and then bemoan the alleged immorality of their Republican opponents for saving the country from their bad decisions.
When I'm in a grocery store or even outside in an area where I might have other people come closer to me than I think is safe, I wear a mask. When I'm outside in the afternoon taking a walk and no one for an hour or more is within 50 or 100 feet of me, I don't. In the case of Vice President Pence, or President Trump himself, everyone around them is tested, and they themselves are tested at least daily. Anyone who approches them has their temperature taken and is questioned. In those extremely controlled circumstances, I don't have a problem with Pence not wearing a mask, or even those around them.
Personally I wouldn’t ask somebody not to wear a mask because I didn’t want to wear one and also didn’t want to be the only one in a photo op not wearing one. Do you have an argument that Pence is being a good person here?
Personally I wouldn’t ask somebody not to wear a mask because I didn’t want to wear one and also didn’t want to be the only one in a photo op not wearing one. Do you have an argument that Pence is being a good person here?
I already said: Pence is a religious conservative, and he has such integrity that he won't spend time alone with a woman other than his wife. That demonstrates remarkable respect and fidelity to his wife. Which the less moral haters in the liberal media actually mocked him for.
The last 2 nights, Ingraham's program has been exceptional. In this one, Ingraham interviews a Texas physician, Dr. Ivette Lozano, who discovered when prescribing hydroxychloroquine to 5 patients that the pharmacy would not fill her prescriptions! And further threatened to report her and jeopardize her professional status her if she continued to prescribe it!
Concocted by some Obama/Hillary zealots in the Texas pharmacy board, no doubt. The Texas governor needs to put this down fast. Oddly, they wanted to violate patient privacy and apparently would allow her to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, but only for a condition other than Covid-19. Which is, of course, both insane, and an authoritarian and highly political abuse of power.
In states nationwide, zealots are suppressing the prescription of hydroxychloroquine to patients who without it will die, and are intimidating with potential loss of their medical licenses the doctors and pharmacists who prescribe it. Despite that hydroxychloroquine is proven to be safe and effective against Covid-19, by many doctors in the U.S., and in dozens of nations worldwide.
Personally I wouldn’t ask somebody not to wear a mask because I didn’t want to wear one and also didn’t want to be the only one in a photo op not wearing one. Do you have an argument that Pence is being a good person here?
I already said: Pence is a religious conservative, and he has such integrity that he won't spend time alone with a woman other than his wife. That demonstrates remarkable respect and fidelity to his wife. Which the less moral haters in the liberal media actually mocked him for.
That hardly gives Pence a pass on risking exposing other people to Coronavirus because he doesn’t want to look like the douche he is for not wanting to wear a mask. To me that really speaks of his character. It’s pretty evil imho to do what he did and it also matters because a lot of people don’t want to wear a mask when a highly contagious virus is making the rounds.
Personally I wouldn’t ask somebody not to wear a mask because I didn’t want to wear one and also didn’t want to be the only one in a photo op not wearing one. Do you have an argument that Pence is being a good person here?
I already said: Pence is a religious conservative, and he has such integrity that he won't spend time alone with a woman other than his wife. That demonstrates remarkable respect and fidelity to his wife. Which the less moral haters in the liberal media actually mocked him for.
That hardly gives Pence a pass on risking exposing other people to Coronavirus because he doesn’t want to look like the douche he is for not wanting to wear a mask. To me that really speaks of his character. It’s pretty evil imho to do what he did and it also matters because a lot of people don’t want to wear a mask when a highly contagious virus is making the rounds.
Meanwhile in New York State, Governor Andrew Cuomo, whom some think is the savior of the Democrat party, orders everyone to wear masks while not doing so except for photo ops.
Once again outrage is selective and based on what letter follows a politicians name.
Cuomo isn’t anywhere near anyone G-man when he’s doing that. Pence is asking people not to wear masks that are in close contact with him. That’s a big difference.
The rage directed at Pence over a piddly face mask rings rather hollow.
How about a bit of rage toward Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who literally killed thousands of elderly in his state, by executive-ordering that elderly with Covid-19 be shipped out of hospitals and back into nursing homes, to start wildfires of death in those nursing homes.
Or for the health department director in Pennsylvania, who publicly assured the public that nursing homes in Pennsylvania were safe, while she quietly got her over-90 mother out, just before her own policy resulted in a wildfire of death in those care facilities, that she protected only her pown mother from, in apparent anticipation of the outbreak she assured state residents wouldn't happen.
But no, M E M rages about absence of one piddly mask that didn't affect anyone. How do we know? Because the liberal media would have had a feeding frenzy if one person in Pence's orbit got even a mild case of Covid-19.
Don’t confuse disgust with rage on Pence’s lack of character and let me assure you of my true rage for Trump’s lies and downplaying of the pandemic that continues to this day. While it was spreading here he gushed about China and attacked the media for overhyping the threat. I personally want to see that shitbag “I take no responsibility “ Trump get everything he deserves for his fucked up response that has made us number one in deaths in the world of Coronavirus. A lot of blood is on his hands and also on the hands of those that enable such an unfit person for the office.
As for Cuomo I get the sense that there were no good choices at the time. The hospitals were being overwhelmed so they couldn’t keep them there. If he was negligent he should be held accountable but while NY had the highest nursing home deaths, other states actually had a higher percentage of their deaths come from nursing homes than NY. Politically I get why you want to blame Cuomo though.
Don’t confuse disgust with rage on Pence’s lack of character and let me assure you of my true rage for Trump’s lies and downplaying of the pandemic that continues to this day. While it was spreading here he gushed about China and attacked the media for overhyping the threat. I personally want to see that shitbag “I take no responsibility “ Trump get everything he deserves for his fucked up response that has made us number one in deaths in the world of Coronavirus. A lot of blood is on his hands and also on the hands of those that enable such an unfit person for the office.
As for Cuomo I get the sense that there were no good choices at the time. The hospitals were being overwhelmed so they couldn’t keep them there. If he was negligent he should be held accountable but while NY had the highest nursing home deaths, other states actually had a higher percentage of their deaths come from nursing homes than NY. Politically I get why you want to blame Cuomo though.
You should save your rage for the lying Bolshevik fanatics on your side. They demonstrate their lawlessness and contempt for the rule of law every day. And the lawlessness of the Obama administration continues to be exposed. It terrifies me what the Bolshevik fanatics on your side would do to this country if they ever regain all 3 branches. It was President Trump who supplied Governor Cuomo with thousands of ventilator machines he didn't prepare himself, far more than Cuomo over-estimated he needed so thaat New Yor was never under-supplied. It was President Trump who set up hospitals and emergency field hospitals that were mostly never used, where a more compentent New York governor would have sent the elderly so they wouldn't haave been sent back to cause mass death in the thousands in New York nursing homes. EVEN GIVEN THE RESOURCES by Trump, Gov. Cuomo still squandered and mismanaged them. Reckless. Blood on his hands. And when questioned about it, Cuomo unapologetically said "old people are going to die of this, that's life". Imaagine the media coverage this would have gotten if Trump said something this callous. But because a Democrat "golden governor" said it, it's invissible to the 80% liberal media. Even when Trump provided the only things that went right in New York, you jerks can't give Trump credit for saving Cuomo and New York's bacon. How many thousands more would have died in New York if not for Trump?
You guys demonize Gov. Ron Desantis of FL, who kept the body count low in his state, and struck the right balance between targeted protection of the elderly and of those most at risk, with keeping the economy open as much as possible. As contrasted with Gov. Andrew Cuomo of NY, who negligently didn't prepare despite a 2015 report by his own health department sounding the alarm, that he ignored and actually after became even lessprepared. And then issues an incompetent executive order to send the Covid-19 infected back into nursing homes to turn them to Covid-death breeding grounds by the thousands with no precautions, for which the liberal media gives him a complete free pass. And even praise him as "presidential"! As "the golden governor"! And the media heaped similar praise on the incompetent Demogovernors who mismanaged similar surges of nursing home deaths in Pennsyvania, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachussetts and Michigan.
Even as they demonized the Republican governors of Texas, Florida and Georgia as "reckless" and "wanting people to die", and "having blood on their hands". WHICH STATES DID ALL THESE PEOPLE UNNECESSARILY DIE IN ?!!?
Score another celebration of incompetence for the Democrats, and for their propaganda arm in the 80% liberal Newspeak media.
I think a key difference between us WB is I don’t see your side wanting people to die where you are at least willing to accuse that in general onto democrats. I think your governor has been lucky so far imho. You had packed beaches when he knew there was a highly contagious virus.
How is everyone doing these days? I’m still doing the shorter day but I do see things getting busier. More coworkers are showing up for at least partial days I think more or less because they want to get of the house. I throw on a mask if in anyone’s around. Things are slowly coming back but our ICU’s are filling up so I’m wary like most people I know. Very grateful that so far everyone I know hasn’t gotten sick or lost their jobs so far.
How is everyone doing these days? I’m still doing the shorter day but I do see things getting busier. More coworkers are showing up for at least partial days I think more or less because they want to get of the house. I throw on a mask if in anyone’s around. Things are slowly coming back but our ICU’s are filling up so I’m wary like most people I know. Very grateful that so far everyone I know hasn’t gotten sick or lost their jobs so far.
My office is still working remotely but we’re going to start bringing people back in a few weeks. A lot depends on how much the courts do or do not open up for in person appearances.
Honestly, parts of the remote work are better. A lot of what I do is transactional at this point and can be done electronically. And court conferences if they are attorneys and judge only are actually more efficient via Skype. It’s easier to get everybody together at a particular time.
I think a key difference between us WB is I don’t see your side wanting people to die where you are at least willing to accuse that in general onto democrats. I think your governor has been lucky so far imho. You had packed beaches when he knew there was a highly contagious virus.
You could allege that of any region with low cases. But the fact is, Florida governor Ron Desantis did targeted protection of the elderly and nursing homes, and targeted shut-downs of areas with the most Covid-19 cases. Which unfortunately included Palm Beach County where I live. Contrast that with the lack of concern for the elderly in Democrat-governed NY, NJ, PA, MI, CT, MA, RI and CA. Interesting how 70% of those who have died of Covid-19 have been in Blue states. Perhaps you should give some credit to Republican governors.
Despite the low infection rates and casualties, Desantis gets very negative coverage from the local propaganda newspapers the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, Palm Beach Post, and Miami Herald. As if he did nothing right! I don't know of any other state that had a similar targeted approach of shutting dowwn only the most impacted areas. And again, virtually all the cases in Florida originated from an exodus of infected people spreading it from the New York area.
Regarding the allegation that I see the Democrat side "wanting people to die ", that's a lie, I never said that. However, I do see your side wanting to exploit the crisis to damage the economy in an effort to prevent Trump from getting re-elected in Nov 2020. Why do I see it that way? Because your side has plainly stated that as a desire of theirs, to hurt Trump economically, even before the Covid-19 crisis began. PERIOD. From Bill Maher and Paul Krugman and Michael Moore and Robby Mook on down. That's just an absolute fact.
Why am I further suspicious of your party's malicious wishes to wreck the economy? Because I've seen the increasingly vicious Bolshevik abuse of power.
It began with George Soros taking control of the Democrat party in 2004 (read the book The Shadow Party (2006) by David Horowwitz and Richard Poe). The Democrat Party/news media collaboration to destroy the Republicans at that time, a prime example being the Dan Rather fraudulent story about a faked letter from George W. Bush's commanding oficer in the Texas National Guard, that cost Dan Rather his job when conservative bloggers (NOT ANYONE IN THE MAINSTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA) exposed the truth, that the letter was faked. And Rather was fired.
In 2006, the Democrat Party and liberal media unleashed an October surprise on the Republicans with the Rep. Mark Foley story, that much later was revealed the reporters sat on for at least a year, to unleash on Republicans right before the election, allowing no GOP recovery time. That's how Dems won the House and Senate. The "culture of corruption"was a narrative Dems aimed at Republicans, but it is Democrats who were that year and every year the TRUE culture of corruption.
In 2008 the Democrats and news media again worked in unison against the Republicans to elect Obama, blaming the economic collapse on Republicans, despite that, though both had a hand in the collapse, as liberal journalist Naomi Wolfe said on C-SPAN, "both had a hand in it, but if one were intellectually honest, the Democrats had primary blame for the collapse". But they sold a narrative that crippled Republicans in the 2008 election.
In between, Democrats, including Barack Obama, did everything they could to badmouth the U.S. military and undermine the possibility of victory in Iraq. Even Pelosi trying to de-fund our troops on the battlefield in Iraq. Conversely, W. Bush and McCain were commited to Iraq victory regardless of the cost to their own popularity, and they pushed a troop surge in Iraq that turned the tide, right around the time Obama was inaugurated. Then incredibly, Obama, who vociferously tried to obstruct every move to bring about that surge and victory, boasted of it as his victory in Iraq when he became president! A victory IN SPITE of his presidency, not because of it!
Then the weaponization of the IRS through Koskinin and Lois Lerner in the 2010-2012 period.
Also Fast and Furious, where ATF under Obama deliberately sold guns to Mexican drug cartels, that resulted in the murder of a U.AS. Border Patrol agent, and dozens of Mexican citizens. The Obama administration had intended "Fast and Furious" as a ruse to blame American gun retailers as a rationalization to shut down 2nd Amendment rights, but it blew up in Obama's face.
Journo-List, another collaboration between the liberal media and the Democrat party.
The personal attacks on Sarah Palin and her family, particularly vicious the Democrats' and the liberal media's attacks on her teenage daughters.
The vicious tactics by Dems and the liberal media in the 2012 election, portraying Romney as a racist white supremacist, attacking his religion, his whiteness and his wealth. The liberal media bias particularly on display with presidential debate moderators Candy Crowly and Martha Raddatz, who acted more as co-debators siding with Obama and Biden than as moderators, and Crowly who propagandized false facts that CNN only corrected quietly days after the debate later when no one was watching. Most of the public never saw the true, corrected facts, just what was propagandized in the prime-time debate.
It was after the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections that I came to the conclusion that there is absolutely no compromising with the Democrats, no possibility of bipartisan compromise with the Democrats. In McCain and Romney, Republicans offered the two most moderate, bipartisan and milquetoast Republicans they could possibly offer, and yet both were demonized as right wing, nazi, racist, white supremacist, crazy. That was the proof that no matter who Republicans offer in any future election, they will be unfairly demonized. Likewise, George W. Bush in 2000 was a very bipartisan Texas governor, who as president gave the Democrats a ton of legislation they wanted in big government spending in a gesture of bipartisanship, and even he was viciously slandered and demonized by Democrats as nazi, racist, etc.
And then ultimately, 2016, where the Obama administration weaponized the FBI, DOJ, and virtually every federal agency against Trump's election, and then against Trump's inaugurated administration. This is by far the worst political scandal and threat to our constitutional republic in American history. As one example, there were 39 separate Obama officials From Dec 2016-Jan 2017 who requested unmasking of Michael Flynn in FISA surveillance transcripts: Susan Rice, James Comey, Sally Yates. 6 requests by Jack Lew in the treasury Department! Susan Power, the U.N. ambassador! Joseph Biden! The Democrat party wanted to usurp an elected president and throw innocent men in jail, just to remove Trump. There are already extensive documents that show Obama himself was orchestrating this effort, with plenty more documents and transcripts pending release. And in a just world where this is prosecuted, Obama and those around him should go to jail for their crimes. Crimes! Biden as well was in that Jan 5 2017 meeting, physically if not mentally, and Biden himself was one of those 39 requesting Flynn's FISA surveillance unmasking.
So... you ask if I suspect the Democrat party of using any ruthless means to remove Trump to win an election. Yes. FUCK YES! There is absolute proof and at least a 20-year history of Democrats using these kind of increasingly ruthless tactics, whatever will give them power.
And likewise, every conservative critic in the Clinton years was annually audited by a Clinton-weaponized IRS. Likeise under LBJ. And JFK. Likewise under FDR. Read the book on FDR, New Deal or Raw Deal, by Burton Folsom, Jr. FDR pioneered using federal funds to buy political districts. Beyond his other authoritarian abuses of power. He also tried using his presidential power to frame, imprison, and completely destroy the lives of his political opponents and critics. And going back to Woodrow Wilson, Wilson also used government powers to silence critics, make arrests of opponents, and to harass and shut down newspapers critical of him.
So yes. I believe that, based on the absolute facts. Your party is evil to the core.
How is everyone doing these days? I’m still doing the shorter day but I do see things getting busier. More coworkers are showing up for at least partial days I think more or less because they want to get of the house. I throw on a mask if in anyone’s around. Things are slowly coming back but our ICU’s are filling up so I’m wary like most people I know. Very grateful that so far everyone I know hasn’t gotten sick or lost their jobs so far.
I'm actually in a fortunate position where I can wait things out indefinitely, and can remain at home. I've actually lost about 20 pounds, have been exercising more, and spending more time outdoors than I have since college. I wear a mask when I go to any public places, but outdoors, I quickly saw that it's rare I get within 50 or 100 feet of another person, so I forego the mask when I'm walking or running.
I don't want to get complacent, but out of 1.5 million people in Palm Beach County, there are currently 5,429 reported cases, 1,064 hospitalizations, and 315 deaths. And I don't know anyone who has been infected. Of those total cases, an undisclosed number have already recovered. And in fact... I had a mild fever and flu symptoms beginning on March 11th, that lasted about 5 weeks. When asked by others, I was dismissive that it could be Covid-19. But 5 weeks was a long time to have fever (below 100 degrees mostly), chills, body aches, sore throat, and especially for me, burning in my eyes and sinuses. And it's very unusual for me to be sick for that length of time, usually only 7 to 10 days at most. But as more information came out about less severe Covid-19 cases, and the timing, I'm less dismissive, it possibly could have been Covid-19. I didn't leave the house for 7 weeks, and luckily I had a good stock of groceries, so I didn't have to. It could also have been the annual flu strain, which is said to be unusually brutal this year. I initially wanted to get a test in retrospect to find out for sure, but they weren't easily available for a long time. I might just purchase a home test, to find out.
One other time in 2011 I had a bad flu with severe body aches that lasted about 4 weeks, that in retrospect I think could have been Swine Flu. I had really sharp pains in my muscles and bones, particularly my cheek bones, like no other illness I've had. At the time, I was unaware there was even a Swine Flu outbreak. In restrospect I found out, that would explain the severe symptoms.
It might be worth getting the test to see if you did already have had it WB. I don’t think they know much about the antibodies and how much that shields you but as more info comes out it might be handy to know.
I think a key difference between us WB is I don’t see your side wanting people to die where you are at least willing to accuse that in general onto democrats. I think your governor has been lucky so far imho. You had packed beaches when he knew there was a highly contagious virus.
You could allege that of any region with low cases. But the fact is, Florida governor Ron Desantis did targeted protection of the elderly and nursing homes, and targeted shut-downs of areas with the most Covid-19 cases. Which unfortunately included Palm Beach County where I live. Contrast that with the lack of concern for the elderly in Democrat-governed NY, NJ, PA, MI, CT, MA, RI and CA. Interesting how 70% of those who have died of Covid-19 have been in Blue states. Perhaps you should give some credit to Republican governors.
Despite the low infection rates and casualties, Desantis gets very negative coverage from the local propaganda newspapers the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, Palm Beach Post, and Miami Herald. As if he did nothing right! I don't know of any other state that had a similar targeted approach of shutting dowwn only the most impacted areas. And again, virtually all the cases in Florida originated from an exodus of infected people spreading it from the New York area.
I remember seeing a lot of packed open beaches for spring break at a time Desantis certainly knew Coronavirus was highly contagious. I think that makes it clear he chose that over public safety. That doesn’t deserve praise imho.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Regarding the allegation that I see the Democrat side "wanting people to die ", that's a lie, I never said that.
Sorry I skimmed the thread and you put it more as Dems wishing coronavirus and recession on the country. Not a big difference imho but I do recognize I misstated what you said unintentionally.
Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
However, I do see your side wanting to exploit the crisis to damage the economy in an effort to prevent Trump from getting re-elected in Nov 2020. Why do I see it that way? Because your side has plainly stated that as a desire of theirs, to hurt Trump economically, even before the Covid-19 crisis began. PERIOD. From Bill Maher and Paul Krugman and Michael Moore and Robby Mook on down. That's just an absolute fact.
Why am I further suspicious of your party's malicious wishes to wreck the economy? Because I've seen the increasingly vicious Bolshevik abuse of power.
It began with George Soros taking control of the Democrat party in 2004 (read the book The Shadow Party (2006) by David Horowwitz and Richard Poe). The Democrat Party/news media collaboration to destroy the Republicans at that time, a prime example being the Dan Rather fraudulent story about a faked letter from George W. Bush's commanding oficer in the Texas National Guard, that cost Dan Rather his job when conservative bloggers (NOT ANYONE IN THE MAINSTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA) exposed the truth, that the letter was faked. And Rather was fired.
In 2006, the Democrat Party and liberal media unleashed an October surprise on the Republicans with the Rep. Mark Foley story, that much later was revealed the reporters sat on for at least a year, to unleash on Republicans right before the election, allowing no GOP recovery time. That's how Dems won the House and Senate. The "culture of corruption"was a narrative Dems aimed at Republicans, but it is Democrats who were that year and every year the TRUE culture of corruption.
In 2008 the Democrats and news media again worked in unison against the Republicans to elect Obama, blaming the economic collapse on Republicans, despite that, though both had a hand in the collapse, as liberal journalist Naomi Wolfe said on C-SPAN, "both had a hand in it, but if one were intellectually honest, the Democrats had primary blame for the collapse". But they sold a narrative that crippled Republicans in the 2008 election.
In between, Democrats, including Barack Obama, did everything they could to badmouth the U.S. military and undermine the possibility of victory in Iraq. Even Pelosi trying to de-fund our troops on the battlefield in Iraq. Conversely, W. Bush and McCain were commited to Iraq victory regardless of the cost to their own popularity, and they pushed a troop surge in Iraq that turned the tide, right around the time Obama was inaugurated. Then incredibly, Obama, who vociferously tried to obstruct every move to bring about that surge and victory, boasted of it as his victory in Iraq when he became president! A victory IN SPITE of his presidency, not because of it!
Then the weaponization of the IRS through Koskinin and Lois Lerner in the 2010-2012 period.
Also Fast and Furious, where ATF under Obama deliberately sold guns to Mexican drug cartels, that resulted in the murder of a U.AS. Border Patrol agent, and dozens of Mexican citizens. The Obama administration had intended "Fast and Furious" as a ruse to blame American gun retailers as a rationalization to shut down 2nd Amendment rights, but it blew up in Obama's face.
Journo-List, another collaboration between the liberal media and the Democrat party.
The personal attacks on Sarah Palin and her family, particularly vicious the Democrats' and the liberal media's attacks on her teenage daughters.
The vicious tactics by Dems and the liberal media in the 2012 election, portraying Romney as a racist white supremacist, attacking his religion, his whiteness and his wealth. The liberal media bias particularly on display with presidential debate moderators Candy Crowly and Martha Raddatz, who acted more as co-debators siding with Obama and Biden than as moderators, and Crowly who propagandized false facts that CNN only corrected quietly days after the debate later when no one was watching. Most of the public never saw the true, corrected facts, just what was propagandized in the prime-time debate.
It was after the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections that I came to the conclusion that there is absolutely no compromising with the Democrats, no possibility of bipartisan compromise with the Democrats. In McCain and Romney, Republicans offered the two most moderate, bipartisan and milquetoast Republicans they could possibly offer, and yet both were demonized as right wing, nazi, racist, white supremacist, crazy. That was the proof that no matter who Republicans offer in any future election, they will be unfairly demonized. Likewise, George W. Bush in 2000 was a very bipartisan Texas governor, who as president gave the Democrats a ton of legislation they wanted in big government spending in a gesture of bipartisanship, and even he was viciously slandered and demonized by Democrats as nazi, racist, etc.
And then ultimately, 2016, where the Obama administration weaponized the FBI, DOJ, and virtually every federal agency against Trump's election, and then against Trump's inaugurated administration. This is by far the worst political scandal and threat to our constitutional republic in American history. As one example, there were 39 separate Obama officials From Dec 2016-Jan 2017 who requested unmasking of Michael Flynn in FISA surveillance transcripts: Susan Rice, James Comey, Sally Yates. 6 requests by Jack Lew in the treasury Department! Susan Power, the U.N. ambassador! Joseph Biden! The Democrat party wanted to usurp an elected president and throw innocent men in jail, just to remove Trump. There are already extensive documents that show Obama himself was orchestrating this effort, with plenty more documents and transcripts pending release. And in a just world where this is prosecuted, Obama and those around him should go to jail for their crimes. Crimes! Biden as well was in that Jan 5 2017 meeting, physically if not mentally, and Biden himself was one of those 39 requesting Flynn's FISA surveillance unmasking.
So... you ask if I suspect the Democrat party of using any ruthless means to remove Trump to win an election. Yes. FUCK YES! There is absolute proof and at least a 20-year history of Democrats using these kind of increasingly ruthless tactics, whatever will give them power.
And likewise, every conservative critic in the Clinton years was annually audited by a Clinton-weaponized IRS. Likeise under LBJ. And JFK. Likewise under FDR. Read the book on FDR, New Deal or Raw Deal, by Burton Folsom, Jr. FDR pioneered using federal funds to buy political districts. Beyond his other authoritarian abuses of power. He also tried using his presidential power to frame, imprison, and completely destroy the lives of his political opponents and critics. And going back to Woodrow Wilson, Wilson also used government powers to silence critics, make arrests of opponents, and to harass and shut down newspapers critical of him.
So yes. I believe that, based on the absolute facts. Your party is evil to the core.
Interesting that just today I see Trump going after Twitter because it dared to fact check him while he’s got his toady at the justice department investigating something legal like unmasking. Something like lying to the FBI, a federal crime though isn’t worth pursuing. And that’s just today. I think true greatness is hard to destroy and FDR is certainly that. Social Security to this day allow more seniors to enjoy retirement instead of dying in poverty. That’s just one of the things FDR was able to accomplish that republicans hate him for. Evil is not wanting people to get off a cruise ship because it will make the official number go up. And it’s all on tape WB. After we’re all long dead history will see Trump’s “greatness” for itself.
I remember seeing a lot of packed open beaches for spring break at a time Desantis certainly knew Coronavirus was highly contagious. I think that makes it clear he chose that over public safety. That doesn’t deserve praise imho.
At the time of spring break in early March, states were not even considering a shutdown. I recall there was increasingly a call for that nationwide in late March, As I recall Desantis finally ordered a stay-at-home lockdown to go into effect April 2nd. That was maybe a week after some other states began to shut down, and many others shut down long after Florida. I felt it was a bit slow and in the absence of available testing, I made clear in my comments then I wanted the lockdown. But now, as demonstrated in other nations like Sweden, and states in the U.S. that never fully locked down, locking down or not didn't result in any significant difference in numbers.
I don't see that there is a case to make that Desantis was any less concerned about public safety than other governors. In retrospect, he made a good decision to focus early on with protecting the most vulnerable in nursing homes. As compared with NY, NJ, CT, RI, PA, MI and other states who had far higher deaths, particularly among the elderly. I don't understand the reluctance to give Desantis credit, in a state with a larger population than New York state and a far larger over-65 population, where he has managed far lower numbers of cases and deaths. Whereas PA, NY and NJ in particular, turned elderly nursing homes into incubators of death. And in Cuomo's case, he re-wwrote the law after-the-fact to exonerate himself of liability for the deaths he caused! And likewise, the PA health dept director assured the public of PA nursing home safety, while quietly moving her own 95 year old mother out to safety, while creating the situation where so many others' elderly parents died due to what she clearly knew was a danger she created, while giving public assurances she knew were false.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Sorry I skimmed the thread and you put it more as Dems wishing coronavirus and recession on the country. Not a big difference imho but I do recognize I misstated what you said unintentionally.
I appreciate the retraction. I do think there's a huge difference in believing Democrat leadership wants people sick or dead (that I never said). And that I see Democrats as clearly exploiting the lockdowns to hurt Trump economically, that some (not all) Democrats have clearly expressed publicly in the media. I find it highly suspect that Democrat governors in NY, NJ, Maine, MI, CA are tyranically fighting "against the actual science" to keep lockdowns going, when again, comparing infections in European countries and in U.S. states that didn't lock down are virtually the same as those that did, persuasively making the argument that lockdowns aren't having an effect, other than wrecking the economy. I'm frankly amazed that the stock market (which initially peaked at 29,551 on Feb 12th, before tanking 10,000 points to 19,173 on March 20th) has already climbed back to about 35,550 this week, and only slightly down to about 35,400 right now. Which is about only 4,000 points from its all-time high.
Likewise, in spite of Covid-19, the country is already coming back economically. Despite Dems' attempts to keep it shut down. Without "science" to back it up, I don't understand the logic of a continued shutdown... except y'know... hate Trump!
While I'm certainly not going to restaurants or bars or crowded beaches anytime soon, I understand that those under 45 are at a much lower risk. So many of them have no inhibitions, and have weighed whether the risk is worth the reward.
I saw a doctor on Laura Ingraham's show last night who said that about 10,000 a week will continue to die if infection continues at the current rate for three months, and that would be another 180,000 by September. But lockdown or no, that rate will remain the same. Most people get Covid-19 from being home with someone who is sick, not from going to a crowded beach in 85-degree weather, where (as a CDC official cited) the virus lives about 75 seconds outside a host. Ingraham argues that it is on a downward trend, though, and she doesn't see it lasting that long, citing the swift departure of SARS and other similar outbreaks of other coronaviruses. Both Ingraham and the Dr. cited the need to rush clinical testing of Hydroxychloroquine and other treatments, to loweer those numbers regardless. I find it infuriating that over 2 months (April-May) where 2000-2700 a day were dying that Hydroxychloroquine wasn't used more. One doctor (Smith, also interviewed by Ingraham this week) said of the hundreds he treated with hydroxychloroquine, over 91% recovered. Imagine the last 3 months where 91% got that treatment and survived. And yet... CDC and NIH officialss didn't even do a clinical study in that 3 months! There is some weird conspiracy against Hydroxychloroquine, when doctors in 30 other countries recommend it as their drug of choice to save Covid-19 patients. Some countries even give it out for free! But Fauci, Redfield and other officials and political leaders obstruct its use and testing, despite that it has been proven safe and heavily prescribed since 1955 for Lupus, Malaria, Lyme disease and Arthritis.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Interesting that just today I see Trump going after Twitter because it dared to fact check him while he’s got his toady at the justice department investigating something legal like unmasking. Something like lying to the FBI, a federal crime though isn’t worth pursuing. And that’s just today. I think true greatness is hard to destroy and FDR is certainly that. Social Security to this day allow more seniors to enjoy retirement instead of dying in poverty. That’s just one of the things FDR was able to accomplish that republicans hate him for. Evil is not wanting people to get off a cruise ship because it will make the official number go up. And it’s all on tape WB. After we’re all long dead history will see Trump’s “greatness” for itself.
Barr is far too respected and accomplished a lawyer to dismiss as a "toady". He's made it clear he enforces the rule of law, and whether Dems or the media or Trump himself tries to obstruct the law, he will walk away. It's quite clear that Obama officials (39 of them unmasking Flynn alone!!) had a very unusually high amount of politically motivated unmaskings. Far higher than in either the W. Bush or Trump administrations. That warrants further investigation. I don't know what you're implying about Trump (implied, not factually cited) but it's clear the corruption all the way up and down the chain in the Obama administration. And with Sally Yates' Jan 5 2017 memo, it clearly involves Barack Obama himself in orchestrating the set-up of Flynn. Obama, Biden, Comey, Yates, Clapper, Rice, Brennan were all in that conspiratorial meeting. Likewise the August 2016 texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page: "POTUS wants to see everything we are working on."
FDR prolonged the Great Depression with his New Deal programs. He is given credit for ending the Great Depression, but right up till 1941 it dragged on, only ended by war production for Britain and then Russia. And then U.S. direct involvement in the war. Mark Levin does a good job of citing the abuses of FDR, and the people FDR destroyed for purely political reasons. As does the NEW DEAL OR RAW DEAL book I cited above. The buying and selling of influence with federal funds is something that began under FDR. Social security has always been a ponzi scheme that would eventually go broke for those further down the pyramid. And it doesn't help that the House and Senate have been diverting funds from Social Security for decades (both Democrats and Republicans).
Pat Buchanan in DEATH OF THE WEST has some good insights into how Social Security destroyed our society and unity, in ways that were later expanded under FDR's Great Society legislation, and 1965 immigration reform. It incentivized breaking up (or not having at all) families and marriages, and contributed to a decline in the birth rate by creating a new system that discouraged the tradition of having children as a safety net in old age. Abortion and the birth control pill finished the destruction of the old social order in the 1958-1973 period.
Trump didn't want the cruise ship to dismebark in San Diego because it would potentially spread and infect even more people. And because even with Trump delaying the removal of cruiseship pasengers a week or so to prepare a safe non-infectious disembarkation, CDC still fucked up the disembarkation with inadequate precautions and safety measures, so it actually did result in passengers spreading the virus to others, exactly as Trump feared, that Trump delayed to prevent, and CDC still didn't adequately prepare for.
You keep trying to demonize Trump for decisions he made that make perfect sense. If Obama or Hillary or Biden were in charge during this pandemic, we'd have over 2 million cases, and you'd be saying "Hey, everything's great, they're doing such a great job." But it was Trump who initiated a travel ban, despite opposition of the "experts" at the NIH, CDC and WHO who discouraged the travel ban, that prevented 20,000 potential infected-carrier Chinese travelers a day from arriving. It was Trump who started a trade war that diminished our dependence on Chinese imports over the last year before the pandemic began. And it was Trump who secured our southern border that no Democrat would have ever done. If Obama, Hillary or Biden were in charge, one or all those preventive measures *NOT* put in place would have caused 2 million deaths.
You should thank God every day Trump is president.
Despite VOX's spoon-fed liberal-talking-points lying narrative version of the Spain study of Covid-19 infections, the bottom line is that a larger ratio of the population in Spain were infected than initially known, with a far lower fatality rate. If 5% of Spain was infected and has antibodies (with 27,000 deaths), if the remaining 95% were infected (and they won't, a disease never infects 100%, most infect 30% to 60%), that ratio would result in 513,000 more deaths.
More importantly relative to the U.S., the Spain study shows that even with an even more severe lockdown than the U.S., that a higher ratio of those sheltered at home were infected than among the "essential" workers who were not sheltered.
Again showing that the governors of New York, New Jersey, Michigan and California attempting to abuse their authority to impose extended lockdowns are doing so without a logical reason, as the science does not back the argument for a shut-down. Reinforcing that it it is being done for political reasons. (i.e. HATE TRUMP! And to aid the Democrats in the Nov 2020 election, by 1) hurting Trump's economy, and 2) rationalizing mail-in ballots that Democrats are masters at stealing elections with.)
You leave out that Trump put forward the CDC guidelines to reopening and that every state is opening faster than what those guidelines suggest. Trying to force people to vote in person during a pandemic instead of a mail in vote because Trump is scared he’ll lose is plain evil. Mail in voting exists in states before this and it works fine. You can make all the accusations you want but my folks deserve to be able to vote safely.
You leave out that Trump put forward the CDC guidelines to reopening and that every state is opening faster than what those guidelines suggest. Trying to force people to vote in person during a pandemic instead of a mail in vote because Trump is scared he’ll lose is plain evil. Mail in voting exists in states before this and it works fine. You can make all the accusations you want but my folks deserve to be able to vote safely.
First, the re-openings in Democrat states are happening IN SPITE OF Democrat leaders, not because of them. Despite every attempt by Democrat governors to prolong the lockdowns for political/Democrat reasons, the people are angrily marching on their capitals demanding that the states re-open. As has also occurred in Europeean nations.
Second, under reasonable precautions, people are not only going back to work, but also returning to their usual activvities such as visiting beaches and parks, and shopping. Florida, including my native Boca Raton, re-opened on April 13th, even the local malls and beaches. A majority wearing protective masks and social distancing, but re-opened nonetheless. Even the protest marches and riots in cities nationwide over the death of George Floyd are occurring, a large ratio without even protective masks. If people can go out in crowded protests, they can vote in person and don't require mail-in ballots.
My father, who is 86, and my mother who is 84, both went to their local voting precincts in March at the peak of the Covid-19 lockdown, just before the complete Florida lockdown began on April 4th. As I said, I wasn't' feeling well, and erred on the side of caution and didn't vote. Now that the numbers are declining, you still allege mail-in ballots are necessary? The election is still 5 months away, and the downtrend in cases should be approaching zero by October/November. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Progression_charts Yours is a political rationalization, not a scientific one.
According to a report on One America News a few days ago, despite that Hillary Clinton allegedly won the popular vote by 2.8 million, there were 6 million mail-in ballots nationwide that oddly went missing and were never counted, no explanation ever found or given for the missing ballots. In the last 4 elections, a total of 30 million mail-in ballots have disappeared. Any honest assessment is that mail-in ballots are easier to manipulate and falsify, and there have been way too many close elections where a Republican appears to have won, and then a box of Democrat ballots pop out of a magic hat out of nowhere to give the victory to a Democrat. One example, I give you the victory for now-disgraced Senator Al Franken.
It was mail-in ballots, after a change in election laws in California that allowed ballot-harvesting, that mysteriously caused a long-Republican stronghold House district to go Democrat by a narrow margin. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ballot-...nia-republicans But Republicans were ambushed by the ballot-harvest law change in 2018. And while they think it should be illegal, they are prepared to match the Democrats in the 2020 campaign for that district, and take it back. While ballot-harvesting remains legal in California, Repupbicans are now prepared to fight fire with fire.
I worked in a similar cubicle environment on phones from 1997-2001 for two different companies. To some degree, I think management should not be overly blamed, because it was early on in the outbreak, and until the first week of April, even the CDC experts were not advising the public to wear protective masks. But 911 call center management were definitely to blame for not even giving employees alcohol and sanitary wipes to clean their cubicle workspaces. Particularly when other workers on different shifts use the exact same desks. When you have over 10% of your workers getting Covid-19, there is clearly a serious worker-safety issue not addressed.
But for the grace of God... how many of us work in similar cubicle environments?
You leave out that Trump put forward the CDC guidelines to reopening and that every state is opening faster than what those guidelines suggest. Trying to force people to vote in person during a pandemic instead of a mail in vote because Trump is scared he’ll lose is plain evil. Mail in voting exists in states before this and it works fine. You can make all the accusations you want but my folks deserve to be able to vote safely.
First, the re-openings in Democrat states are happening IN SPITE OF Democrat leaders, not because of them. Despite every attempt by Democrat governors to prolong the lockdowns for political/Democrat reasons, the people are angrily marching on their capitals demanding that the states re-open. As has also occurred in Europeean nations.
Second, under reasonable precautions, people are not only going back to work, but also returning to their usual activvities such as visiting beaches and parks, and shopping. Florida, including my native Boca Raton, re-opened on April 13th, even the local malls and beaches. A majority wearing protective masks and social distancing, but re-opened nonetheless. Even the protest marches and riots in cities nationwide over the death of George Floyd are occurring, a large ratio without even protective masks. If people can go out in crowded protests, they can vote in person and don't require mail-in ballots.
My father, who is 86, and my mother who is 84, both went to their local voting precincts in March at the peak of the Covid-19 lockdown, just before the complete Florida lockdown began on April 4th. As I said, I wasn't' feeling well, and erred on the side of caution and didn't vote. Now that the numbers are declining, you still allege mail-in ballots are necessary? The election is still 5 months away, and the downtrend in cases should be approaching zero by October/November. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Progression_charts Yours is a political rationalization, not a scientific one.
According to a report on One America News a few days ago, despite that Hillary Clinton allegedly won the popular vote by 2.8 million, there were 6 million mail-in ballots nationwide that oddly went missing and were never counted, no explanation ever found or given for the missing ballots. In the last 4 elections, a total of 30 million mail-in ballots have disappeared. Any honest assessment is that mail-in ballots are easier to manipulate and falsify, and there have been way too many close elections where a Republican appears to have won, and then a box of Democrat ballots pop out of a magic hat out of nowhere to give the victory to a Democrat. One example, I give you the victory for now-disgraced Senator Al Franken.
It was mail-in ballots, after a change in election laws in California that allowed ballot-harvesting, that mysteriously caused a long-Republican stronghold House district to go Democrat by a narrow margin. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ballot-...nia-republicans But Republicans were ambushed by the ballot-harvest law change in 2018. And while they think it should be illegal, they are prepared to match the Democrats in the 2020 campaign for that district, and take it back. While ballot-harvesting remains legal in California, Repupbicans are now prepared to fight fire with fire.
You totally side step the whole fact that the CDC/Trump administration has issued the guidelines that the governors are using. I believe all states are actually opening things up faster than what those Trump administration guidelines are. I do understand that Trump after putting out those guidelines sidelined the CDC and is pushing for a faster reopening if I understand his tweets and insults. That isn’t really good leadership especially during a pandemic. So governors not only have to deal with a pandemic but also political attacks from the very person who originally supported those guidelines. And my folks should not have to risk their lives to vote. I’m so tired of the crazy partisan accusations that lack any values other than trying to protect your political party from being voted out in disgust by the people they were supposed to serve.
The crazy partisan actions and flatout lying propaganda is overwhelmingly coming from the Democrat side.
I wish I'd quoted the Australian president a week or two ago when that nation opened their economy (once again, only reported and quoted on One America News, not on CNN, MSNBC or even FOX). The Austalian president said quite honestly to his people: there will be setbacks, there will be further outbreaks, further clusters, further un-anticpated complications, but overall this is the right thing to do for the nation. I wonder if any other nation has an opposition party or news media that are so unrelentingly hostile to their president, no matter what he does right. During the Dec 2019/January 2020 impeachment hearings, Newt Gingrich pointed out (as has Media Research Center) that the news media that had already reached 93% negative coverage (CNN and NBC) early in Trump's presidency reached 100% negative coverage of Trump during the Jan impeachment hearings. Gingrich commented that it is remarkable that Trump could have 100% negative coverage and yet remain at or near 50% in the polls. On most given days with popularity at or higher than Obama had at the same point in his presidency. Even with the adoring liberal media being the wind at Obama's back and flying cover for him, and that same media conversely being 100% hostile to Trump, trying to tear him down at every turn.
Again: I live in one of the hardest hit regions of Florida, one of only 3 counties still locked down. In a county of 1.5 million people, there are approximately 6,000 reported cases, approximately 1,100 hospitalizations, and approximately 319 deaths. And that is the total cumulative reported, with no specifics disclosed of how many have recovered. If it's the same as the rest of the nation, about 30% have fully recovered at this point, and the curve is overall steadily trending down. So I think it's ridiculous to want to completely shut down everything for such a small number at risk. As Governor Desantis of Florida has done, he has targeted protection of the elderly and immune-compromised, and as a result, despite Florida having a far larger overall population and a far higher elerly population than New York, Florida has far less cases and deaths than New York. And a far lower ratio than NJ, and than PA, MA, RI, and MI.
It is clear that these states, governed by Democrats, want to weaponize lockdowns to tank the economies of their states as a way to bring down Trump's popularity right before an election. But they are only hurting themselves in the process, because even Democrats in those states see what is being attempted, at their expense. And they are angrily protesting in the streets for their Democrat governors to let them work again. Even Democrats are turning on the Democrat governors.
And as shown yesterday, where the Dow has already returned from is recent low of 19,173 (March 20th), down over 10,000 points from its all-time high of 29,551 (Feb 12th), it has already at this intermediate stage of recovery rocketed to 27,100 yesterday, gaining 826 points from the previous day, and less than 2,400 points from its all-time high! And that's with partisan lockdowns vindictively prolonged by Dem governors for purely political reasons in NY, NJ, MI, CT, RI, MA and CA, some of the economic giant states! I don't see Democrats being able to keep this deceptive partisan lockdown stunt going much longer. The science doesn't back it up.
Again see the CDC’s/Trump administration’s guidelines on reopening. You want to pretend they don’t exist? The governors don’t exist in a vacuum where only Trump gets blamed for the high unemployment so I don’t even understand how you can even think this is political maneuvering on their part. I know my governor is trying to open things as quickly as he can as safely as he can. Trump has made that harder by now ignoring what he and his own administration put out as guidelines. Yesterday I saw an article that he had the reporters chairs put closer together in the press pool than what the CDC recommends because it looked better. It’s hard to understand anyone who thinks their on the side of good being okay with Trump.
I watched a news report last night on OAN, that scientists researching a Covid-19 vaccine say the cases are declining worldwide, regardless of shutdowns. And as has widely been reported elsewhere, that the nations that did complete shutdowns really didn't fare any significant advantage over the nations that didn't do a shutdown. So your latest talking points are just another lying narrative calculated to hurt Trump and the Republicans. Trump's reason for ending the shutdown is not carelessness, it's not "greed", it's not a focus on the economy at the expense of human lives, or any of the other lying narratives the Democrat leadership and their P R wing in the liberal media are selling. The reason the lockdowns are largely endding, not just in the U.S., but in nations worldwide, is because they are not making much if any difference.
And in the U.S. in particular, they are being abused by blue-state governors, enforced arbitrarily to target conservative businesses such as churches and gun stores and small business owners, and for no logical reason, simultaneously allowing liberal enterprises like marijuana shops and abortion clinics and large corporate chains like Walmart to remain open. The true goal of shutdowns in the U.S. at this point is to hurt Trump's chances of re-election, to prevent a strong ecomonic recovery before the November election. And polls show the majoity of the American public knows it.
Further, the Covid-19 outbreak is slowing so much worldwide that research companies are concerned they will not be able to find a cure before the outbreak disappears, or even that the number of cases will be so low that they can't find enough infected people to thoroughly test a ready vaccine!
Another astonishing manifestation that the smart people see the crisis is passing (despite collaborative Democrat/liberal media lying narrative, hyperbolically trying to create and prolong nationwide panic) the stock market is up again today another 461 points, closing at 27,572, less than 2,000 points from the market's all-time high! ( 29,551, on Feb 12th, just before the pandemic tanked the market down 10,000 points.)
Now... why would that be happening? These are the wealthiest, smarkest investors on the planet.
Because even without a cure in sight, a vaccine at least 5-8 months away, if ever, they see that the crisis is passing. Estimates I'm seeing now are that even if the outbreak continues, most cases are minimal or symptomless, and results in death at a ratio between 0.02% of all cases, or possibly as low 0.001% of all cases. Which is either equivalent to or lower than the fatality of a typical annual flu virus.
Granted, we didn't know that 3 months ago, when the shutdown began, but we sure as hell know it now. In spite of Democrat/liberal media collaborative attempts to manipulate and politicize the facts for their own purpose. But unless you're relying on CNN or MSNBC or the N Y Times or Washington Post, you know that the science just doesn't back up that lying Democrat narrative.
What does the CDC say WB? OAN is not really anything I would trust to even attempt to do balanced reporting. I know New Zealand now says it’s at zero cases. Florida now seems to have a lot of nursing home deaths. (Not crowing about that btw).
What does the CDC say WB? OAN is not really anything I would trust to even attempt to do balanced reporting. I know New Zealand now says it’s at zero cases. Florida now seems to have a lot of nursing home deaths. (Not crowing about that btw).
The CDC that told us till March 11th that Covid-19 was not a threat to the United States? The CDC that same day who told a guy calling in a question to Dr. Fauci on CNN, hesitant to go on a cruise, that it was safe and to go ahead on his trip. It turned out for many a week or two later that being on a Covid-19-infected cruise ship was the absolute worst place on earth to be. The CDC that told us for months not to wear a mask, then in early April suddenly went polar opposite and said it was mandatory that everyone has to wear a protective mask. Never a clear expanation for the polar reversal, no apology. Oops!
The CDC that has declared a partisan holy war on the use of hydroxychloroquine, despite its proven effectiveness by the French eqquivalent of the CDC, and is the Covid-19 treatment medication of choice of a majority of doctors polled in at least 30 nations. Several nations actually hand out hydroxychloroquine for free, as a preventive medication, and to treat in its early stages so as not to later result in hospitalization and/or death. (OAN, by the way, more than any other network has championed getting the true facts out to the public, with almost daily reports on the medication, and several 30-minute and one-hour specials.)
The CDC, who fucked up preparing a Covid-19 test early on, so that it took two months to finally get a reliable test to the public. It was only the intervention of Trump circumnavigating CDC's bureaucracy to find out they has accidentally infected their own CDC lab and rendered it unusable for at least a month, that experts from outside the CDC were finally able, in site of the CDC, to develop a reliable test and mass-produce it! To the point that in late April nationwide testing went from 1.5 million tested to 4 million, and up to now 20 million. The CDC (Drs Fauci and Redfield) in late January also urged Trump not to initiate a ban on travel from China. A month later, Fauci on CNN acknowledged that Trump's travel ban was the single greatest strategic move, that bought the nation time to prepare and bend the curve. Again, in spite of CDC, not because of.
Fauci is a bureaucrat who has been in his position for 40 years, and I think is influenced much more by political considerations than doing the right thing. As soon as this crisis passes, Fauci should be fired and replaced. Despite several similar deceptions by China, Fauci took the Chinese at their word, and if not for Trump, would have made no preparations. Fauci was oblivious till mid March. Fauci and the NIH also gave the Chinese bioresearch institute 3.7 million in U.S. funds to do the very bat-virus research that caused the outbreak! Despite that they knew for at least 2 or 3 years the unsafe conditions of the lab. CDC funded the virus that was unleashed on us!! Despite years of advaance warnings!!
So, yeah. To Hell with the CDC under its present leadership. They let us down almost as much as China and the World Health Organization.
God help us if Trump were not in charge, we would have had open borders with Mexico, open borders with China with 20,000 travelers a day with potential Coronavirus. Without Trump and aa year of trade war preceding the pandemic, we would have been far more reliant on non-existent with-held imports from China when the crisis hit. And the death-toll would far more likely have been in the initially-predicted 1 to 2 million range. And we would have been, as China threatened, "drowning in a mighty sea of coronavirus".
Fuck the CDC. And I trust OAN more than I trust a liberal media that daily repeats Chinese talking points, and sides against the United States.
People protest to re-open the economy nationwide, liberal media says "This is crazzy, how dare they gather in large groups they endanger everyone else, potentially spreading Covid-19." People protest based on fake statistics of an alleged police war on blacks: It's vital to the nation's health that people stand up to police racism toward blacks. And if you aren't on the streets opposing this YOU'RE A WHITE RACIST! YOU SHOULD BE OUTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR NOT SUPPORTING THESE PROTESTS AND FIRED FROM YOUR JOB! BLACK LIVES MATTER!!!
Hey, no hypocritical double standard, none at all!
Kaleigh McAneny at her Monday press conference (linked above) cited that the liberal media in the same report went from condemning people for protesting for governors to re-open their economy (which the media condemned) and in the very next news report praised Floyd protestors/rioters for coming out in crowds to protest "institutionalized racism".
By the way, as I cited from Bill O'Reilly in 2014, in the most recent statistical year at that time, there were 8 million arrests nationwide by police, and of those there were about 600 killings of suspects during arrest. Most of them armed suspects and unquestionably justified police shootings. Of those, about 450 were white, and about 150 were black. Which even at 600, is statistically insignificant. And of those, far less were black. There is no war on blacks. There absolutely isn't. Those are the facts.
Tucker Carlson has cited the statistics of police shootings year after year since then, and within the last week. They remain virtually the same, no spike in police killings of suspects, black or otherwise. In the most recent statistical year there were agaain about 600 total deaths in police custody, if I recall 373 whites and 235 blacks. Again a year where the overwelming majority were white. Further, there were 9 unarmed suspects killed, and 20 whites killed during arrest.
And by the way, Chicago had its most violent day in 60 years, where 18 were killed there in one day. So that's *twice* the number of blacks killed in Chicago, IN ONE DAY, than are killed nationwide by police, IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.
And on top of that, despite the other destruction of these pointless Black Lives Matter riots nationwide, the crowds create a greater risk of resurgence of Covid-19 cases, even as their riots destroy 70 locations where they could be tested and contain that resurgence. Still waiting for the liberal media to report that. Don't hold your breath. And also, Black Lives Matter riots have killed 2 black police officers, and killed 8 black protestors, also ignored by the liberal media. Just more cannon fodder, that doesn't fit their lying liberal narrative, and therefore goes unreported by the social justice zealots propagaandists, who pretend to be reporters.
DEMOCRATS HAPPY THAT NUMBER OF COVID-19 CASES IS RISING, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT HURTS TRUMP'S RE-ELECTION CHANCES
or perhaps:
DEMOCRAT/BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTEST MARCHES AND RIOTS NATIONWIDE OVER GEORGE FLOYD DEATH RESULT IN A NEW SURGE IN COVID-19 CASES, BUT THEN ATTEMPT TO BLAME TRUMP FOR THE SURGE THE LEFT CAUSED
or maybe:
HYPOCRISY OF DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP, WHO RAILED ON CONSERVATIVES WHO PROTESTED TO END STATE COVID-19 LOCKDOWNS, BUT SIMULTANEOUSLY REVERSE THEMSELVES TO SUPPORT BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTEST MARCHES NATIONWIDE, RESULTING IN UPSURGE OF NEW COVID-19 CASES
or:
BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTORS COMPLETELY DESTROY 70 COVID-19 TESTING CENTERS NATIONWIDE, WHEN THEIR PROTESTS RESULT IN A SPREAD OF COVID-19 CASES, THAT MAKES CENTERS THEY JUST DESTROYED EVEN MORE NEEDED.
Fox too often gives a free pass to lying Democrat talking points, and lets Dems get away with it, in the interest of giving the Democrat/Left equal time. Even when that equal time is a vicious lie, completely untrue, but unchallenged, even on Fox.
I like Judge Jeannine Pirro, who snaps back and says "No! No way do you get away with trying to allege that!" and then cites the facts that disprove that particular Dems' lying talking points. The two I currently hate most on Fox are Chris Hahn and Richard Goodstein, who will come back and back with the same lying talking points, even when their lies have just been disproven with the facts 5 times. Hahn started as a communications director for Lyin' Chuck Schumer. Goodstein was and probably still is a propagandist for the Clintons.
You do realize this pandemic doesn’t discriminate by political party right? It’s not good for any of us. My party isn’t glad,
Your party tries to prolong the shutdowns for political purposes, to try and damaage Trump politically.
A prime example is how Dems have wailed about protestors demonstrating to open businesses in NY, NJ, MI and CA are "dangerous" and spreading the virus. Then the riots and looting in protest to the George Floyd death in cities nationwide, that the Dems and liberal media fawned over. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who scolded the business owners in Michigan, was out there without a mask in a crowd of protestors. That's been over 2 weeks now. And suddenly, Trump announces a rally in Oklahoma City, and the media hypocritially goes wild over how it's going to create an epidemic of new Covid-19 cases.
That proves right there Democrats are manipulating the narrative on Covid-19 politically. When it suits their purposes, they prolong a shut down. When it suits their new racism/war on blacks narrative and protests, suddenly (whiplash!) large groups of protestors are perfectly OK. Then (whiplash again!) a Trump political rally is unthinkable, crazy! Dangerous! We have to go back to the lockdown!
And as cited before in exaamples such as those of Bill Maher and Paul Krugman, your side cheers any economic damage to millions of Americans, if they think it benefits the Democrats and hurts Trump.
Coronavirus cases shot up in states across the country this week as the U.S. continues to see record single-day increases in new confirmed cases since the beginning of the pandemic.
On Friday, the U.S. reported 45,255 new cases, according to data maintained by Johns Hopkins University. It's the second day of record high increases. Thursday saw 39,972 new cases.
Texas and Florida continued to pump the brakes on reopening plans, and California Gov. Gavin Newsom urged one county to reinstate its stay-at-home order amid a surge in cases there.
Amid the resurgence, the White House Coronavirus Task Force held its first public briefing in nearly two months Friday, urging young adults to follow public health guidance for containing the COVID-19 outbreak.
The increase in cases isn't due to an increase in testing, health officials say. ...
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US citizens likely won't be allowed to travel to EU anytime soon
European Union envoys are close to finalizing a list of countries whose citizens will be allowed to enter Europe again, possibly from late next week, EU diplomats confirmed Saturday. Americans are almost certain to be excluded in the short term due to the number of U.S. coronavirus cases. ...
Pretty amazing that Trump wants people to pack into his rallies. It’s almost like he doesn’t give a shit about people.
Again the double-standard. You made a big deal about George W. Bush golfing, then had no issue with it when Obama logged in twice the amount of golfing in his 8 years. I don't think Trump has come anythere close.
I also recall Obama and his Bolshevik bride Michelle went on extravagent separate trips, costing double what W. Bush did on travel and Secret Service protection, no outrage on your part. And went on a number of far more expensive indulgent trips to Italy, Brazil and elsewhere, on the taxpayer's tab, far more than either W. Bush or Trump have spent. I also recall that Nancy Pelosi has basically an Air Force Three plane of her own, also with a security detail, that she again hoses taxpayer money on with indulgent trips and showing off for friends. If I recall, on at least one occasion she loaned it out to family and friends. Again, no outrage on your part.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Pretty amazing that Trump wants people to pack into his rallies. It’s almost like he doesn’t give a shit about people.
But of course, when Democrat leaders were pushing liberals to crowd events in January and February in New York City, San Francissco and elsewhere, in solidarity to show they're not "racist" against Chinese visitors (many of whom ended up in N Y hospitals with Covid-19), that's completely different, right?
And then the same thing with Black Lives Matter rallies, in cities all over the U.S. protesting the death of George Floyd, again Democrat politicians pushed it as a moral imperative. And then as I said above --WHIPLASH!!-- Democrats on a dime turn that moral imperative to participate in demonstations into a crime against humanity when it's Republicans or Trump trying to rally political support for a cause. Your hyposcrisy, and the hypocrisy of your entire party, is on full display, M E M.
Either people have a right to assemble, rally or protest, or they don't. Make up your mind. I really think you should move to China. You seem to favor one-party authoritarian rule.
Clearly a double standard there WB. And at his latest failed rally they actually removed the spacing that had been in place for the event so his supporters could pack in. Is that rational during a pandemic? Does that look like good leadership to you?
That’s in one day! Yesterday MN saw an increase after a period of decline. I was expecting it with the rise in other states but hoping we could continue the decreasing numbers.
That’s in one day! Yesterday MN saw an increase after a period of decline. I was expecting it with the rise in other states but hoping we could continue the decreasing numbers.
As I said before,
1) the number of new cases does not equal or exceed, percentage-wise, the massive amount of new testing nationwide. As Liz Wheeler cited on her nightly OAN show last night, testing since the last week of May has increased 2,200%, and the number of new cases is up about 1,100%. Up from about a cumulative 4 million tests by May 25th, to over 28 million now, in just over 30 days.
2) There is also manipulation of the "increased hospitalizations" statistics. The fact is, more people have been returning to hospitals for elective procedures (such as knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer removal, and other advance-scheduled surgeries that are serious but arranged in advance, and therefore technically non-emergency). Four months of people with delayed medical treatment, now coming to the hospital for treatment. There is also a surge in emergency treatments, because they delayed examination in fear of going to a doctor, so that their conditions have now become emergency conditions they cannot delay.
3) In addition, there are people being tested as a prerequisite for entering the hospital for other illnesses, where their screening test comes up Covid-19 positive, where they either A) had a mild case and never knew they had it and as a result show Covid-19 antibodies, or B) are infected and non-symptomatic but not the slightest bit ill. In neither case are these patients being hospitalized for Covid-19, or seriously ill with Covid-19, they are being treated for other things, **NOT** Covid-19. And yet for Democrat manipulation purposes, are used to statistically inflate the number of cases into an "alarming surge".
4) The "alarming surge" of ICU beds taken in the last few weeks is by patients being treated for other things, that are now being called by hospitaals to come in now for delayed procedures,or otherwise seeking treatment they should have come in for months ago. When liberal media and Democrat leaders say with alarm that "hospitals are reaching full capacity", they deceitfully hide that hospitals previous to Covid-19 are filled to over 90% capacity. That is how they keep their resources cost-effective and profitable!
5) We are not seeing a surge in deaths. Deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. are down 90% from what they were 2 months ago. The new infections are on average people under 35, who have less than a 1 in 1,000 chance of developing serious complications resulting in hospitalization or death. Young people are being infected at a higher rate because they perceive themselves to be at minimal risk, and are not wearing a mask or social distancing.
And actually, many medical experts I've seen interviewed say that is good, because they are at very low risk, but are bringing the U.S. population as a whole to herd immunity, where a majority of the population who are at the lowest risk have been exposed, and therefore once developing immunity, insure there are far less people left who could infect the vulnerable, the elderly and immune-compromised part of the population.
6) The U.S. is second only to Germany in having the lowest ratio of deaths from Covid-19, and that ratio continues to go lower.
7) European nations, and nations worldwide, have gone through the exact same problems of clusters of new cases and resurgent outbreaks where they have had to shut down regions or portions of their economy and society. Even nations with the best initial containment of Covid-19, such as China, South Korea, Hong Kong and Australia. Despite the lying rhetoric of Democrats, the situation of periodic surges in new cases is not unique in the U.S., and it's not Trump's fault, despite Dems' best efforts to push that narrative for their political gain.
8) And of nations that never did a lockdown, or did a minimal lockdown, fared virtually the same and no worse than the nations or states that did a complete and punishing lockdown. Sweden, for example. In the U.S., the states that did not lock down have lower rates of infection, and yet also have resurged economically much faster and have far lower unemployment rates now (See [url=]the Laura Ingraham video above, where she shows the 10 best and 10 worst states, both for unemployment, and for the lowest ratios of Covid-19 cases[/url]). Because when you have shelter-at-home- over 70% are found to be infected by family members in close quarters, not by being outside in the part or on beaches, or at a job. Shelter-at-home has been found to actually increase the number of cases.
The initial goal in the U.S. was to slow down the infection rate, or "bend the curve", to prevent a surge in new cases that could potentially overwhelm hospitals so hospitals could not treat all who were seriously ill from covid-19, and basically have to let people die in a "triage" military field hospital type situation, as occurred in Italy, as occurred in Spain, as occurred in Wuhan, China.
We are beyond that, we bent the curve, and built up the stocks of medical supplies and medical staff needed to be prepared. Now Democrats (and their lying ideological brethren in the media) are pretending that was not the initial goal, that the goal was not in fact achieved, and generating a politically-driven false narrative, stoking panic for their own vicious political gain.
Clearly a double standard there WB. And at his latest failed rally they actually removed the spacing that had been in place for the event so his supporters could pack in. Is that rational during a pandemic? Does that look like good leadership to you?
You clearly need to learn the difference between golf and gulf.
Another site says that these accusations against Trump don't pass the smell test, and by their account earn 3 Pinnochios for how much they bent, twisted and tugged the truth out of shape to fit their Trump-hating narrative. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-worl...s-golf-outings/
That fact check doesn’t change that Trump made many attacks on Obama about golfing and the smell test was about exact dollar amounts. The one I posted is an estimate. And unlike Obama, Trump even cashes in when he golfs on his properties.
That fact check doesn’t change that Trump made many attacks on Obama about golfing and the smell test was about exact dollar amounts. The one I posted is an estimate. And unlike Obama, Trump even cashes in when he golfs on his properties.
This is crazy as your state surges with cases. This shouldn’t be a political thing but a matter of just human decency.
Your very selective outrage was pretty non-existent when Obama was clocking in twice the golf-time of George W Bush in his 8 years. Which as I recall, Obama exceeded in just Obama's first 4 years.
Once again, it's an outrage you and your side only express when there's a Republican in office to have a hissy fit about.
I would still argue that Obama has hosed away far more on travel and foreign trips. Not to mention Obama burning the country to the ground and having no accomplishments in his 8 years. Obamacare was a cheat, where Dems bent all the rules to pass it, and at that, Obama's only legislative achievement. In 8 years, that is all. Everything else was executive order fiat, plus a world-destroying Iran nuclear deal, and using weaponizing the IRS, FBI, CIA, DNI, DOJ and FISA court against his Republican opposition. If there were true justice, Obama and his staff would all be in jail now. That may still happen, but it looks to me like there are too many in the Republican Senate and House, and in the Trump administration itself who are stonewalling that from happening, despite that the Bolsheviks in the DNC will be coming for them next. It may still happen, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for Barr and Durham to follow through.
As I've said before, while I wear a mask anytime I'm in public, I still think the "explosion of new covid-19 cases" is vastly inflated and exaggerated for political purposes. I saw a report on OAN with a Stanford University medical school doctor, Dr. Atlas, that said at least 17 states include "probable cases" in their count, and include for each an average additional 15 contacts as "probable cases", NONE OF WHOM ARE ACTUALLY TESTED! And in Florida, the average age of new infections is 21. Nationwide, the average age of new cases is 35. Neither of which are high-risk, and have a very low risk of serious health risks or dying.
And again, many admitted to hospitals are non-symptomatic and only show as Covid-19 positive when tested to enter the hospital with other conditions. But despite this, are lyingly categorized as "Covid-19 hospitalizations". If they have died of other causes, but had Covid-19, they are again listed as "Covid-19 deaths". I've seen multiple hospital physicians interviewed express outrage about this. It's a Democrat-orchestrated lie. Covid-19 is not what caused these patient to die, but padding by including them in the numbers makes the outbreak look worse, as a tool to politically attack Trump.
Another huge --HUGE!!-- deception is the amount of cases that are occurring in states along the southern border, including Florida. These are not new infections occurring in the U.S., they are illegals who arrived with Covid-19, and insanely, are admitted to overcrowd already strained U.S. hospitals.
It's a deception. Another cheap Democrat stunt, another manufactured excuse to attack Trump.
Meanwhile France, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, are all re-opening their schools. Because they are motivated by science, whereas the U.S. media and political leadership are motivated by liberal politicization of the crisis, and pure lying propaganda. Australia, Brazil, South Korea and many other countries have similar periodic resurgences and new outbreaks and lockdowns. It's not just the U.S. and Trump, despite your best lying attempts to blame Trump.
You might want to look over Trump’s tweets about Obama’s golfing. Or the one where Trump declares a failure of leadership over Obama’s Ebola response after 2 Americans died. A stark contrast to the number dead from Covid. It’s apparent who was throwing the hissy fits and is a hypocrite. You voted for it.
You might want to look over Trump’s tweets about Obama’s golfing. Or the one where Trump declares a failure of leadership over Obama’s Ebola response after 2 Americans died. A stark contrast to the number dead from Covid. It’s apparent who was throwing the hissy fits and is a hypocrite. You voted for it.
Again, on every front, your selective and one-sided outrage is on full display.
The wave of infections after the George Floyd/Black Lives Matter protests in cities nationwide, you have no problem with. Where the rioters literally destroyed 20 Covid-19 testing centers (TWENTY!) that they ironically needed a week or two later. Zero liberal media coverage. Zero condemnation by partisan Democrat zealots like yourself.
Or the purges your side is unleashing now on any dissenting thought, purges that are invisible to the liberal media, and to you and others on your side. Employees and corporate executives and famous athletes who are threatened into submission of fired for simply liking a post on Facebook or Twitter critical of Black Lives Matter (an organization founded by three Marxists, with a stated goal of overthrowing the United States, and "killing white babies". No one can criticize that, incredibly.) That should terrify and outrage you.
An editorial posted by Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansa), who simply wrote a dissenting New York Times opinion critical of Black Lives Matter. An editorial that stirred outrage and intolerance by writers and editors within the New York Times, just because the N Y Times simply published an opposing conservative/Republican editorial view --a view that 58% of Americans agree with!--. But the New York Times editorial staff apologized for publishing it, and forced the resignation of the editor who approved its publication. This is shutdown and intimidation into silence of over half the country, and that should terrify and outrage you. And since successful this time, that intimidation and silencing will only increase.
Your side is burning down police stations and thousands of businesses nationwide, burned a church directly across the street from the White House, have killed several police officers, and injured about 1,000 more nationwide, some of whom are permanently disabled, injured 100 secret service agents defending the White House. Have looted, killed, and burned businesses and some of their owners in the name of social justice, even as protestors express racial prejudice against whites, and follow through with violence and murder. And unresisted, are emboldened to greater violence. That should terrify and outrage you.
Or defense attorneys Mark McCloskey and his wife in St. Louis, Missouri, where a Black Lives Matter mob tore down the iron gate to his development, and a mob of over 300 threatened to kill him and his wife, burn down their house and kill their dog. And he simply stood outside his home with an assault rifle (licensed, as is his wife's handgun) to prevent that from happening. And the Soros campaign-funded St. Louis district attorney wants to file charges against him for intimidating the mob with a gun. The mob who threatened to kill him and his wife! And neither the local city police, nor the governor, have done anything to protect him, that day or since, despite the initial mob threats or the ongoing death threats to burn down their home. And this is a guy who is a far-left liberal, a Democrat, and a defense attorney who routinely defends disadvantaged black suspects, and (incredibly, even after this) still supports Black Lives Matter. It doesn't matter that he's a Democrat leftist himself who supports the Revolution, he is still white and therefore is rationalized to deserve to have his home burned down and be killed. That should terrify and outrage you. And unresisted, that emboldened hatred, intimidation and violence will only increase.
The revolution your side is stoking is not just dangerous to conservatives, once they finish with us, they will be coming for you too. And in the example of Mark McCloskey and others, they might not even wait that long to come for you. Pastor Martin Niemoller's famous quote comes to mind. "First they came for the Jews..."
Save your outrage for something that truly warrants the outrage, M E M.
You’re just demonstrating your selective outrage WB as an attempt to change the subject from Trump’s own actions and words. He choose to hold a rally and remove social distancing stickers to pack people in. The difference between you and me is you will be voting for somebody that did that.
You’re just demonstrating your selective outrage WB as an attempt to change the subject from Trump’s own actions and words. He choose to hold a rally and remove social distancing stickers to pack people in. The difference between you and me is you will be voting for somebody that did that.
Trump's last rally only had about 8,000 people, and most of its over 12 million viewers watched it on television, or later online. It's absolute horseshit what you're alleging.
In contrast to the hypocrisy of multiple Democrat governors, Democrat Senate and House members, and the piece-of-shit Newspeak liberal media that just another wing of the DNC, all three groups of whom cheer on protests and riots and toppling statues in cities nationwide. Protestors who in just a few days destroyed 20 (again: TWENTY!) Covid-19 testing centers in major cities, that their crowd events resulted in infection of many protestors, who ironically needed those testing centers just a few days later.
Your alleging hypocrisy on my part, is just a smokescreen for your own hypocrisy, and the incredible hypocrisy of your piece of shit Democrat Bolshevik party, on display nationwide, for weeks now.
The transvestite freaks and other marxists on your city council are in the process of abolishing the police department in Minneapolis/St Paul. I imagine at this point you are keeping a gun in your lap at all times. And yet incredibly, would still vote for the Democrat maniacs who are every day bringing you closer to lawless chaos. Just incredible.
How does the fact that his rally was poorly attended absolve Trump of deciding to have it in the first place? You don’t really make sense.
I don't know the exact number. And as you well know, Democrats tried to sabotage the event by reserving tickets online, with deliberate intent to reserve several thousand seats and then not attend. So that explaains the empty seats. The auditorium only had a total of 20,000 seats. And even if only 8,000 attended, that's still about 7,995 more than show up at a Joseph Biden appearance. Not to mention the over 12 million who watched it on television, and even more online. No one looks back later to watch what Joseph Biden had to say.
How does the fact that his rally was poorly attended absolve Trump of deciding to have it in the first place? You don’t really make sense.
I don't know the exact number. And as you well know, Democrats tried to sabotage the event by reserving tickets online, with deliberate intent to reserve several thousand seats and then not attend. So that explaains the empty seats. The auditorium only had a total of 20,000 seats. And even if only 8,000 attended, that's still about 7,995 more than show up at a Joseph Biden appearance. Not to mention the over 12 million who watched it on television, and even more online. No one looks back later to watch what Joseph Biden had to say.
Sort of skipping over the whole deal of Trump wanting to pack people in during a pandemic huh?
And I don’t approve of crap like that although in this case it may have helped slow the spread.
WB this doesn’t make me happy. I think this takes us uniting as a country to fight it and we’re just not going to do it.
Again, these are mostly people infected who are 35 and younger who are infected nationwide, and as Gov. Desantis said himself, the average of Florida is age 21. They are from : 1) young people thinking they are immune and not wearing masks and social distancing, 2) primarily young people going to crowded bars and beaches, which have recently been closed in affected areas 3) illegal immigrants who were infected outside the U.S., and are creating new cluster outbreaks here in the U.S. and 4) large crowds of people in the streets statewide protesting/rioting in cities throughout Florida.
It's my hope that those who weren't taking precautions with a mask and social distancing (in Florida and elsewhere) have learned their lesson, and are now complying more. And if that is the case, the spike in cases should be going down again in the next 2 weeks.
Just as in Australia, France, Spain, Italy, Holland, Belgium, South Korea and other nations worldwide, even those countries that have taken the greatest precautions have seen resurgent periodic outbreaks. And currently, the deaths in the U.S. are down 90% from what they were 10 weeks ago, and despite occasional resurgences, have been on a continuous downward trend.
A frustration for me, that I've contacted the Palm Beach County health department about, is that they only display the cumulative total cases, whereas a vast percentage of those cases are recovered, and no longer active. I would like them to cite the number of active cases, and the cumulative number of recoveries. As of today, Palm Beach County, with a population of about 1.5 million people, has a total of 19,233 reported cases, 2,001 hospitalizations, and 586 deaths. But again, many of those total reported cases and hospitalizations are no longer active. And with the average age much lower, the number and rate of deaths is far lower. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Florida
On another note schools are gearing up to reopen. I get that it’s important to do this but like with the reopening of the states Trump is basically just making declarations and threats. I have zero confidence in this being done in the safest manner that is feasible. Trump confirmed that with demanding the CDC change it’s guidelines.
On a positive note the sack of shit is wearing a mask these days. That might help get more of his base to wear them and help curb the virus.
M E M, I live in Florida, in one of the hardest hit counties.
Again, see above.
The cases are overwhelmingly 1) young people in Florida, average age 21 2) who were not complying with masks and social distancing. 3) A majority are hispanic and/or [largely unreported] illegal immigrants who did not contract the virus in the U.S. and 4) Young people who attended mass George Floyd demonstrations nationwide, and in Florida
President Trump was in a military hospital full of injured and sick veterans. In the White House setting, literally everyone, every day, is tested before they come in contact with the President. And you degrade only yourself when you call our most accomplished president in 50 years vile names.
If you really want to call someone a piece of shit, save that for the America-hating cultural marxists that run the Democrat party and openly cheer on violence against Trump supporters, piecve of shit Democrat leaders who openly cheer on people tearing down the statues of our nation's founders, and who shamelessly weaponized the FBI, DOJ, IRS and FISA court against their political opposition, a move worthy of Stalin, Mao or Castro. These *true* pieces of shit are not the torch-bearers for preserving our Constitutional republic, but ones who openly advocate destroying it. The maniacs you endorse.
Sorry we disagree about Trump being a piece of shit. Since it’s really mostly just the 2 of us talking I do try to refrain from calling him for what he is these days for you out of politeness. It does slip out though.
As President Donald Trump threatens to cut funding to schools that don't reopen in the fall and continues to host mega-rallies as cases of coronavirus increase, there appears to be a growing rift between the Trump White House and its top health advisers.
The president has taken his criticism of the government's top expert on infectious diseases and of leaders at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention into the public forum in his massive push to reopen the country.
MORE: Fauci, other health advisers at odds with President Trump on whether to slow testing Despite coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx asking Americans in hot spot zones to avoid indoor gatherings and reduce them to 10 people or fewer, Trump on Friday delivered remarks and attended a home fundraiser in Florida as cases there rise -- one day after the state saw a record death toll. ...
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Democrats are criticizing the White House for blocking the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from testifying at a public hearing on safely reopening the nation’s schools.
Democrats said they invited CDC officials, including director Robert Redfield, to testify at a hearing next Thursday but were rebuffed by the White House. A committee spokesperson said the panel asked for any CDC official to testify but was rejected.
Rep. Bobby Scott, a Virginia Democrat who chairs the House Education and Labor Committee, called it alarming that the Trump administration would prevent CDC officials from appearing before the committee “at a time when its expertise and guidance is so critical to the health and safety of students, parents, and educators.”
The administration’s “lack of transparency does a great disservice to the many communities across the country facing difficult decisions about reopening schools this fall,” Scott said.
A White House spokesperson said Friday that Dr. Redfield has testified on Capitol Hill at least four times over the last three months. “We need our doctors focused on the pandemic response,” spokesperson Judd Deere said. The decision to block Redfield’s testimony recalled a similar action preventing Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease official, from testifying before a separate House committee earlier this year. Fauci ended up testifying the following week before the Republican-controlled Senate and appeared before a House panel last month.
“The administration’s strategy of prioritizing politics over science has had a devastating impact on our country throughout this pandemic,” Scott said. “It should not make that same mistake when it comes to reopening schools.”
President Donald Trump has pushed to reopen schools as scheduled this fall, arguing that most parents are anxious to see schools resume in-person classes. Trump says the decision to possibly avoid doing so in some areas is more motivated by politics than by legitimate fears about the pandemic.
“They think it’s going to be good for them politically, so they keep the schools closed,” Trump said at a White House discussion on school plans last week. “No way. We’re very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else to open the schools.”
He has threatened to withhold federal funding from schools that refuse to reopen.
That's pretty straigntforward, about 1) the motivation of the Democrats to further damage and paaralyze our culture to ramp up the panic and hide the recovery before the Novemebr election, and 2) That all these experts, Redfield (CDC), Fauci (NIH), and Birx and so forth, haave already testified multiple times before congress. So it's not a case of suppressing anything, it's a case of Democrats trying to repeat the script.
Keep in mind, Dr Fauci and Dr. Redfield have been wrong on a number of points leading right up to the March national shutdown, and while they are doctors, they are much more politically motivated than other medical experts who could be brought before Congress.
The science says, that children under 18 have a close to zero chance of infection or death. I saw a doctor (one of the medical directors from Stanford University's medical school, Dr. Atlas) say there were about 18 deaths under the age of 18. And even under 40, the cases of death tend to invove young people who are immune compromised, with blood disorders or asthma, and/or are morbidly obese. I've seen anchors on CNN and MSNBC and other liberal networks ask medical experts: "Would you send your children back to school?", and every one of the doctors unhesitantly says "Yes, absolutely, no question" without hesitation. It's also obvious that wasn't the answer the liberal news anchors wanted to hear! It doesn't fit their liberal propaganda narrative.
Also, school-age children don't create the level of virus that they are speaders of the disease. More likely infected are their adult teachers, and only teachers over the age of 50 or so, and most teachers on average are much younger. Schools could just isolate the over-50 teachers from coming back to school.
Further, at least a dozen other school systems have re-opened in Europe, Japan, and South Korea. We have their advance examples, to learn from their mistakes or unforseen problems, how to better protect both children and teachers. It's not like Trump pushing to re-open schools is unheard of, or that we're the only nation to attempt to do so. Ohh, the shame, THE SHAME !! Give me a break.
Sorry we disagree about Trump being a piece of shit. Since it’s really mostly just the 2 of us talking I do try to refrain from calling him for what he is these days for you out of politeness. It does slip out though.
As President Donald Trump threatens to cut funding to schools that don't reopen in the fall and continues to host mega-rallies as cases of coronavirus increase, there appears to be a growing rift between the Trump White House and its top health advisers.
The president has taken his criticism of the government's top expert on infectious diseases and of leaders at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention into the public forum in his massive push to reopen the country.
MORE: Fauci, other health advisers at odds with President Trump on whether to slow testing Despite coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx asking Americans in hot spot zones to avoid indoor gatherings and reduce them to 10 people or fewer, Trump on Friday delivered remarks and attended a home fundraiser in Florida as cases there rise -- one day after the state saw a record death toll. ...
As I understand it, Trump doesn't have much of a weapon with the threat of defunding schools that don't open. Most school funding is at the state and local level, and federal funding is about 10% of total funds.
I would argue that Trump thinks opening schools is the right thing to do, from both a health perspective and an economic perspective. Kids who are home schooling are mostly blowing off the school-work and not doing it. And especially among working-class and poor families where the parents aren't as able to keep on them and supervise their studies, they are falling further and further behind.
The one area I wish Trump would give a public message is that everyone should wear a mask. While the cloth masks do nothing (the virus is small enough that it easily penetrates a cloth or other un-approved mask), the N-95 masks block inhaling of the virus. And whether you believe in masks actually protecting or not, at least with masks we can open businesses and continue again with our lives. The alternative is a shut-down. So I think it would be in Trump's, and the nation's, interest. It's a small price to pay, to be able to keep out of lockdown. But very important: mandatory N-95 masks. Just wearing a cloth or other substandard mask doesn't protect people, and just creates a false sense of complacency.
About Trump's not being a piece of shit, I again point you to Trump's accomplishments. Quantifiably, the most accomplished president in 50 years, more accomplished than even Ronald Reagan. Trump DOUBLED annual economic growth in just his first year, re-negotiated trade deals with Japan, South Korea, China, Mexico, Canada, Europe, Central America, South America. He has slashed unnecessary regulation to further stimulate economic growth. He has enacted prison reform that has freed tens of thousands, mostly minorities, who were over-sentenced. He has re-built our military, from where Obama has broken and destroyed it to an unprecedented level of un-preparedness. And most importantly, Trump has taken a very firm stance against China's military, economic, and cyber-theft aggression. EVEN YOU have to admit, no other president, Democrat or Republican would have done so, and the nation is better and safer for it. Likewise, securing the Southern border with Mexico. No other president, Democrat or Republican, would have done so.
In a nutshell, Trump is the most accomplished first-term president of my lifetime, and of my parents' lifetime as well. The most transformative president since FDR.
That list of accomplishments doesn't just entitle Trump to, but has earned him a much more respectful label than "piece of shit". Save that label for the marxist radicals in your own party who are openly trying to overthrow the United States, and have no respect for its laws, its history, or its founders, who they openly endorse the destruction of.
You can of course keep up your partisan gushing for the lying piece of shit. Trump’s lies, corruption and failed leadership however will go down in history as an evil Hoover imho. We can agreeing disagree.
I just turned on FBN and the Dow closed today at 28,653. That's now far less than a thousand points away from the Dow's all-time high of 29,551 on Feb 12th. And that's without a cure yet for Covid-19 anywhere in the near future.
I think the day a vaccine is announced, the market will surge a further 1,000 points, far above its pre-Covid-19 high. And even with the virus still hurting the economy, Trump (despite Democrat opposition) is doing his damnedest to help working-class Americans. When Democrats would not legislate payments, Trump circumnavigated the Democrats and issued an executive order to expedite payments to millions of families who desperately need that money to survive. That makes pretty clear that Trump is on their side, and Democrats would exploit their suffering as "leverage" (Dems' exact word, Rep Clyburn) to extort Trump and the Republicans into budget spending that has absolutely nothing to do with the crisis.
You can of course keep up your partisan gushing for the lying piece of shit. Trump’s lies, corruption and failed leadership however will go down in history as an evil Hoover imho. We can agreeing disagree.
"Leftism is a mental illness." Marcus Tullius Cicero
Yes, the hypocritical vacillation between the two extremes of the Democrat-Left and the Newspeak liberal media:
Protests in California, Michigan, New Jersey and other Democrat governors, over repressively excessive pandemic closures by Democrat governors: DANGEROUS! A SUPER-SPREADER EVENT!!
Then the death of George Floyd, followed by Black Lives Matter and Antifa-orchestrated protests in cities nationwide in the millions, that are immediately followed by a spike in new Covid-19 cases nationwide: No big deal, and vocally opposing racism is much more important than a few Covid-19 cases. ( A LOT of new cases, actually.)
Then Trump has one small political rally in Tulsa Oklahoma, attended by less than 4,000. Whiplash complete reversal by Dems and the media: DANGEROUS! A SUPER SPREADER EVENT!!
And back and forth, the hypocritical media's complete reversals: Over 90 days of riots, looting, arson of businesses, and other violence, some people killed, over 2,000 police injured nationwide: No big deal, free speech, justified outrage at structural racism, whoever said protests were supposed to be polite. And oh, by the way Republicans and Fox News are exaggerating, there is no violence. All that on video you see in the news and on Youtube isn't really happening. "Fiery peaceful protests!"[CNN]
But any small Trump speaking event over those 3 months, like the modest 1,500 who attended his White House nomination acceptance speech: DANGEROUS ! SUPER SPREADER EVENT !
But the same night, the mobs threatening and attacking Trump supporters after they left Trump's speech, vastly outnumbering and threating Trump supporters, right in their faces screaming: No big deal, unreported in the liberal media.
You just have to love that hypocritical liberal-media double-standard.
I was curious what the exact attendance was of the Tulsa Trump rally, and found a few links. The low estimate is 6,200 attending. Trump's campaign manager Murtaugh says secret service magnetometers record 12,000 attended. In an auditorium with a maximum capacity of about 19,000. Which in contrast to the protests/riots of millions in cities nationwide by BLM, Antifa and the Democrat/Left, is a vastly smaller risk of Covid-19 spread.
But you'd never know that to watch the disproportionate coverage portraying only Trump rallies as super-spreader events.
Just want to point out again, for all M E M's lying factless propaganda about how Trump is mismanaging the pandemic crisis, The U.S. has the lowest ratio of cases per 100,000 population of any nation in the world, second only to Germany.
And New York State in particular, under incompetent governor Andrew Cuomo, has the highest ratio of deaths of any region in the world. IN THE WORLD! Despite that Cuomo, despite his proven inadequate pandemic preparation (that his own health department warned him to prepare, but Cuomo didn't), despite that Trump gave Cuomo all the field hospitals and a navy ship hospital and ventilators and PPE he requested. That incredibly with all that, Cuomo squandered these resources that WERE GIVEN to him, and mismanaged to the point that New York has the highest ratio of Covid-19 dead of anywhere, IN THE WORLD.
And similar Democrat governor mismanagement of the pandemic in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and California.
Without Democrat incompetence in these places, with the highest deaths by far of any states in the U.S., then the U.S. would arguably and quantifiably have a lower death toll, by far, than even Germany.
These states are case studies in how a Democrat president would similarly squander our national resources, cause the 1 to 2 million Covid-19 deaths originally predicted, OR MORE. That an ideologically dug-in Democrat president would tank the economy, reverse the rapid economic recovery under Trump, and cause tens of millions more to lose their jobs and businesses, and give us a prolonged great depression for 10 years or more. With lockdowns that Joe Biden in a recent 60 Minutes interview said he would not hesitate to do. Against all scientific justification.
You can of course keep up your partisan gushing for the lying piece of shit. Trump’s lies, corruption and failed leadership however will go down in history as an evil Hoover imho. We can agreeing disagree.
"Leftism is a mental illness." Marcus Tullius Cicero
I tried to confirm that quote but couldn't find it.
Not that I disagree with it. But I wasn't aware that the Romans thought in terms of Left and Right.
I tried searching under multiple different phrasings, and it keeps being attributed to Michael Savage. Whether or not he actually coined the phrase. I'd frankly prefer if it was Cicero.
The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the French Estates General. Those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[5] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term Left became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[6] The word "wing" was appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century, usually with disparaging intent and "left-wing" was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.
The term was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism during the French Revolution in the 18th century, followed by socialism,[7] including anarchism, communism and social democracy, in the 19th and 20th centuries.[8] Since then, the term left-wing has been applied to a broad range of movements[9] including civil rights movements, feminist movements, anti-war movements and environmental movements,[10][11] as well as a wide range of parties.[12][13][14] According to emeritus professor of economics, Barry Clark, "[leftists] claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated".[15]
I think maybe emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark should read Animal Farm, and enlighten himself to the results of 100 years of marxist socialism in nations like Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and other failed states. That have only resulted in even greater "excessive differences in status, power and wealth".
Not to mention mass graves of political dissenters.
So... even with Democrat state governors in California, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and other states doing their damnedest with non-science-based shutdowns to prevent recovery and hurt Trump in the November election, Trump is still doing a remarkable job of managing a rapid recovery.
And by the way, the Dow on Tuesday reached 29,101, just 450 points below its all-time high in February just before the pandemic shutdown occurred. The market recovered almost 100% of its previous crash down to 18,000, and that's without a vaccine yet available, which could occur as soon as Nov 1st. Granted there has been a market correction into the 28,000 range 2 of the last 3 days, but overall a remarkable recovery, almost all the losses regained.
Following CDC recommendations is about as scientific as you can get. I usually believe that you at least believe what you post but stuff like this is so obviously flawed and nonsensical. As for the stock market you should review your comments when it bounced back after the Bush recession. The government is propping everything up with huge amounts of deficit spending.
Trump didn’t just fail to lead on Coronavirus but was a misleader. Because he’s a lying corrupt piece of shit that has politicized and bullied his own scientists I fear for how safe my nieces and nephews are returning to school. Or how safe an eventual vaccine will be. Or even how fair an election will be where he’s asking voters to commit electoral fraud. I used to think republicans valued democracy but it’s very apparent that enough don’t as I either hear crickets or cheering Trump when he does crap like that.
Monthly 2020 unemployment rates before and during pandemic:
FEBRUARY: 3.5%
MARCH 4.4% (when shutdowns began, in mid-late March)
APRIL 14.7%
MAY 13.3%
JUNE 11.1%
JULY: 10.2%
AUGUST 8.4%
That's a remarkable recovery in just 4 months since the shutdown, for which the Trump administration deserves great credit. And that's with the Democrat governors of half the states sabotaging the recovery with prolonged shutdowns (Speaker Nancy Pelosi's most recent hair salon incident perfectly gives case example to the absurdity of the shutdowns, meaningless except for their pure political motivation, and enforced only to crush their Republican/conservative/small business political opposition.)
If Hillary Clinton or Joseph Biden were president, the pointless shutdowns would be even more widespread, and tens of millions more would be unemployed or forced into bankruptcy of their businesses. Because of Trump, most of these people still have their jobs and businesses, and will return to their work much more quickly. As the science, not the political weaponization of shutdowns, warrants.
Following CDC recommendations is about as scientific as you can get. I usually believe that you at least believe what you post but stuff like this is so obviously flawed and nonsensical. As for the stock market you should review your comments when it bounced back after the Bush recession. The government is propping everything up with huge amounts of deficit spending.
As is every country on earth. Scientists looking at the data of the shut down, where they were most stringently locked down and where they were less so or not at all, shows there is little difference in the infection rates. In point of fact, the cases are higher in regions with those forced to be locked up for weeks with infected family members. As I cited earlier, being locked up at home was by far the place most were infected. The second largest was using public transportation. And, of course, nurssing homes. So where is the "science" that rationalizes the shutdowns as practiced in states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and California? There is no justification, other than empty Democrat fear rhetoric. Or as in the cases of Bill DeBlasio, Gretchen Whitmer, Andrew Cuomo, Lori Lightfoot, and the cited Pelosi example above, a case of "Shut up and obey, while we break our own laws and do whatever we want." Shutdown laws for thee, but not for me. Selective enforcement, based on Democrat party benefit.
Regarding the deficit spending, the Democrats are pushing for TRILLIONS MORE deficit spending, even as Democrats hypocritially bemoan what Trump is spending. At least in the case of Trump's deficit spending, there is legitimate worldwide crisis to require the spending. But even with what he spends it is far less than the Democrats, who want to use the crisis to covertly fund their power-grab.
Originally Posted By: M E M
Trump didn’t just fail to lead on Coronavirus but was a misleader. Because he’s a lying corrupt piece of shit that has politicized and bullied his own scientists
Bla bla bla, Trump, "piece of shit", lying, corrupt, bla bla bla.
I don't see any supporting facts to back up those slanders and insults.
Originally Posted By: M E M
I fear for how safe my nieces and nephews are returning to school. Or how safe an eventual vaccine will be. Or even how fair an election will be where he’s asking voters to commit electoral fraud. I used to think republicans valued democracy but it’s very apparent that enough don’t as I either hear crickets or cheering Trump when he does crap like that.
That's ridiculously opposite the science your party tries to bury. People under the age of 25 have about a 99.4% of not contracting the virus, and those in the unlikely event they did get it, would have no symptoms at all, or a very mild case. The danger in schools is to their teachers, particularly those over the age of 40, which excludes most teachers from high risk. The science even shows that children carry such a small load of the virus as to not even be carriers to older people at risk. But then, I don't expect those facts to be reported in the fear-porn that passes for news on CNN, MSNBC or the other liberal media.
And the vaccine's safety will be determined by the 70 or so private companies eacch separately working on a vaccine, not by Trump somehow pushing through something unsafe. News of a vaccine approaching readiness by Nov 1st was announced by these companies and the CDC to Trump, that he after repeated at a press conference. I'm sure you don't have the same absurd mistrust of vaccines ready or near-ready in Russia, China, or Australia. No, your propagandized mistrust is only for a vaccine that would benefit Trump politically, and therefore has to be slandered and discredited as "dangerous".
And Trump is not asking anyone to "commit electoral fraud" . He is asking voters to verify their mail-in ballots are counted, and if not counted in advance, to make sure they vote instead on election day. More lying Democrat propaganda. It's Democrats who want about 50 million ballots in the mail to unverified names and addresses, of people who have either moved from that address, have died, or were fraudulently registered. California is the prime example of Democrwt voter fraud, where they purposefully avoid updating their voter-rolls that would weed out the potential for voter fraud. And used just-legalized "ballot harvesting" to fraudently seize Democrat control of a Republican stronghold for decades, that suddenly/mysteriously turned Democrat in 2018, as soon as California legalized ballot-harvesting to deceitfully seize that district.
Democrats are the absolute masters of election fraud. And it's just irony and pure projection when you guys accuse Republicans of the tactics your side lawlessly uses to rig election after election, as a matter of course.
Trump, piece of shit and enemy of democracy “ “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.“
Don’t bother trying to lie about what he said WB, it’s right there for all to see
Trump, piece of shit and enemy of democracy “ “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.“
Don’t bother trying to lie about what he said WB, it’s right there for all to see
I can't even discern what you're trying to say in that flawed syntax.
Trump has said that absentee ballots (where a registered voter personally requests a ballot, and therefore their authenticity and address are verified) are lawful and acceptable.
But Trump said just mailing out ballots to every voter (where there is no verification that the person is a lawful voter, no verification that is a given voter's current address, or that they even plan to vote, that any number of people could fraudulently fill out and mail in, and where many states have no previous history or infrastructure to handle mail-in ballots) is **NOT** lawful or verifiable, and that it will result in many ballots being uncountable and thrown out, or fraudulently mailed by someone other than the actual voter it was mailed to.
That has already proven disastrous in several mail-in Democrat primary elections in New Jersey and elsewhere in the last 2 months, where about 20% of the votes were considered invalid and could not be counted. In a national election in November, the same inherent problems will result in millions of uncountable votes, and plenty of fraudulent votes that slip by undetected. But then, that's what the Democrats plan on, isn't it?
Trump, piece of shit and enemy of democracy “ “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.“
Don’t bother trying to lie about what he said WB, it’s right there for all to see
I can't even discern what you're trying to say in that flawed syntax.
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It’s a direct quote of Trump telling voters to send in their mail in ballot and than try to also vote in person. I think you understand perfectly what the pos is saying.
Trump, piece of shit and enemy of democracy “ “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.“
Don’t bother trying to lie about what he said WB, it’s right there for all to see
I can't even discern what you're trying to say in that flawed syntax.
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It’s a direct quote of Trump telling voters to send in their mail in ballot and than try to also vote in person. I think you understand perfectly what the pos is saying.
I obviously follow the news and listen to what the president says. But in what you slice and diced here, I don't recognize the quote or any discernable context. But in your perverse hatred of Donald Trump, you've clearly twisted it to represent the ultimate evil.
Trump, piece of shit and enemy of democracy “ “Let them send it in and let them go vote,” Trump said in an interview on Wednesday with WECT-TV in Wilmington, North Carolina. “And if the system is as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote” in person.“
Don’t bother trying to lie about what he said WB, it’s right there for all to see
I can't even discern what you're trying to say in that flawed syntax.
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It’s a direct quote of Trump telling voters to send in their mail in ballot and than try to also vote in person. I think you understand perfectly what the pos is saying.
I obviously follow the news and listen to what the president says. But in what you slice and diced here, I don't recognize the quote or any discernable context. But in your perverse hatred of Donald Trump, you've clearly twisted it to represent the ultimate evil.
I think you’re not being honest here. Trump has told voters to send in their mail ballots and than go try to vote in person multiple times now. And it’s not perverse to not like someone that gushes about Putin and can’t say anything about Putin poisoning his political enemies. Or worry about our democracy when the pos has already said if he loses the election it’s only because it was stolen. Unlike some people I don’t hate an entire side because of partisanship.
When even he admits he downplayed it can we agree that he downplayed it? And maybe wonder how many more people died because of it? After knowing how deadly Coronavirus could be he continued to have rallies. To this day he still tries to bully someone wearing a mask. That is not a good person and someone even remotely fit for that office.
When even he admits he downplayed it can we agree that he downplayed it? And maybe wonder how many more people died because of it? After knowing how deadly Coronavirus could be he continued to have rallies. To this day he still tries to bully someone wearing a mask. That is not a good person and someone even remotely fit for that office.
The Democrat/liberal media false narrative of the week. That in truth reveals nothing new. It recycles things reported in the news 7 months ago, that Trump at the time said his job as president was to keep things calm and avoid a panic, while simultaneously with his ACTIONS as president moving to protect the lives of Americans.
1. Trump enacted a suspension of all travel from China on Jan 31, about 10 days after China (after knowing it was highly infectious from human-to-human, but China having lied about it for 6 weeks, allowing it to spread worldwide) finally admitted what they knew all along, that it was highly infectious to humans. [CONTRAST: Biden, the other Democrat primary candidates, the liberal media and especially CNN and MSNBC, were portraying Trump as "xenophobic" and "racist" and "over-reacting" for putting in place the travel ban. Well which is it, liberal media and Democrats, was Trump over-reacting or not doing enough!?? It's crystal clear that when you accuse Trump of over-reacting for the opening several months, you would have done nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop the virus coming in from China, so it's pure hypocrisy to say now that Trump "lied" and didn't do enough. You would have done NOTHING. ]
2. Trump secured the southern border against illegals. [CONTRAST WITH DEMOCRATS: Same thing. They called Trump racist and xenophobic, and they would have done NOTHING to secure a wave of Covid-19 cases coming in from the Mexican border. ]
3. Trump began a trade war with China for an entire year prior to the pandemic, that moved a lot of manufacturing out of China and vastly decreased our dependency on China, just before the pandemic. Under Hillary or Biden, that would never have occurred, and we would have been completely dependent on China for supplies, and unable to defend ourselves.
4. Trump immediately declared a national health emergency at the same time. [CONTRAST: During the 2009-2010 swine flu epidemic, Obama waited 6 months to declare a national emergency, and it had already infected millions and was out of control when Obama finally declared the emergency. It ultimately infected about 60 million people in the U.S. in 2009-2010, as compared to less than 6 million infected with Covid-19 at this point. ]
5. Trump also about a month later declared a suspension on all travel from Europe. [CONTRASTING DEMOCRAT response: derision, accused of over-reaction. Australia and Taiwan enacted similar travel bans, only Trump was criticized. But regardless, it'a clear that Biden and other Democrats would have done nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and Covid-19 would have run wild across America, killing at least the 1 to 2 million estimated to die. Only Trump's decisive leadership prevented that. ]
6. Trump went against his own medical advisors to do the travel shutdown on Chinese travel to the U.S., and only after the fact did Fauci say it was "the single greatest strategic move" in containing Covid-19 and flattening the curve, that it "saved tens of thousands of lives". Biden and the Democrats would have let those tens of thousands die.
7. Trump was saying many of the same things that Fauci and other federal health officials, and pundit medical advisors at CNN and MSNBC, were saying. That [throughout Jan, Feb, and well into March] were all saying the annual flu was a greater threat to the U.S. than Covid-19, that they didn't anticipate Covid-19 being a great threat to the U.S., and that [like swine flu, like SARS, like other respiratory outbreaks from China] it would likely only have a brief surge, and then would just drop off in new infections and "just disappear". But Trump is held up as being incompetent and/or "lying" for saying exactly what these health experts were saying, while these others remain sainted towers of infallible medical advice. No double standard, none at all.
8. Trump mobilized the private sector to mass-produce PPE medical equipment and ventilator machines, created mobile hospitals to contain the anticipated overflow of surging Covid-19 cases, deployed U.S. navy medical ships, and far exceeded what the media and Democrat friendly "medical experts" said was impossible to mobilize. Trump not only provided these, WAY in excess of what was estimated to be needed and (far less) actuall needed, but also had such oversupply that we could provide it to Mexico and other nations not as prepared. [IMPORTANT CONTRAST WITH DEMOCRATS: Even when Trump supplied these resources to Democrat governors in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and California, they **STILL** squandered those resources, and inflicted the highest per capita Covid-19 death tolls ON THE PLANET on the regions these Democrat idealogues controlled. If not for Democrat governors, the U.S. would have the lowest per capita ratio of cases of any nation on earth. But even with these incompetent Democrat governors, we have the second lowest ratio of cases, second only to Germany. ]
9. Trump with his "Operation Warp Speed" (love the Star Trek reference) is fast tracking a vaccine for Covid-19 that is anticipated to be ready and distributed in November, WAY ahead of the normal research , production and distribution of a vaccine that usually takes 2 years or more. There is NO WAY that Biden, Hillary, or any other piece-of-shit Democrat, who are Cultural Marxists and despise the private sector, would similarly mobilize and mass-produce all that Trump has in the last 6 months, and (as in the example from 2009-2010 pandemic under Obama/Biden that infected 60 million Americans) Democrat leaders in charge would have done nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to contain the Covid-19 pandemic as they just sat on their hands and let it run wild across America.
And then these same Democrats have the audacity to allege Trump didn't do enough. Irony times a billion.
It’s on tape WB. The pos deliberately downplayed the pandemic. We will never know how many people have died because they bought what he was saying. Sorry but that is easy to understand evil.
It’s on tape WB. The pos deliberately downplayed the pandemic. We will never know how many people have died because they bought what he was saying. Sorry but that is easy to understand evil.
That's a twisted version of what Bob Woodward's taped conversation with Trump actually said. Trump acted to protect the nation that Democrats and the liberal media NEVER would have done, as is clear in the Democrat hysterics of "racism" and "over-reaction" to what Trump actually did. If you were paying attention, what Trump said is he acted with calm leadership of the nation, while simultaneously doing everything he could to prepare and protect the nation from the pandemic.
Which again, as Democrats' own comments make clear, they would have done NOTHING to protect the nation. As their own self-incriminating comments make impossible to deny.
Chinese virologist posts report claiming COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, posted a paper on the the open-access repository website Zenote, that she claims shows how SARS-CoV-2 could be “conveniently created” in a laboratory setting in six months.
The paper, co-authored with two others, is titled “Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route.”
It claims to note how “SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus.”
Other scientists out of California have previously published a journal article mapping out the virus’ genetic sequence which they say proves “SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”
Chinese virologist posts report claiming COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, posted a paper on the the open-access repository website Zenote, that she claims shows how SARS-CoV-2 could be “conveniently created” in a laboratory setting in six months.
The paper, co-authored with two others, is titled “Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route.”
It claims to note how “SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus.”
Other scientists out of California have previously published a journal article mapping out the virus’ genetic sequence which they say proves “SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”
Yeah, and the Chinese government tried to "disappear her" before she managed to get away and provide her evidence.
On the germ warfare front, on the naval front where they now have more ships than the U.S. navy, on the cyber-warfare front, on the vastly expanding nuclear missiles front (just announced yesterday on Lou Dobbs, China has missiles that can hit the United States and has expanded their arsenal tenfold in just 10 years), on the militarization of space front, on the economic front where China steals trade secrets from every foreign business in China, and then creates Chinese corporations that compete with and drive out of business the companies they stole from. On these and many other fronts, China is becoming a very scary country.
And I suspect China is using every back-channel deceitful way they can to get Joseph Biden elected president in 2020. The Democrats have proven there's no treason or deceit they would not sink to. I saw an interview this morning on Fox with an F.E.C. watchdog, saying the Dems have received hundreds of millions in donations that when verified calling the donor names, donations in the thousands and millions turn out to be unemployed Americans who could not possibly have donated. What better way to hide foreign donations to the DNC and Biden campaigns than to donate in the names of people who without verification would never know?
Across many posts since Russia invaded Crimea and other regions of Ukraine, I've made it pretty clear what Barack Obama as president across about 4 of those years wasn't doing.
Now, with incredible irony, in a period where Trump has been doing far more to protect Ukraine from further invasion, arming them to militarily defend themselves, Democrats lyingly accuse President Trump of being a "Russian asset" and capitulating to Russia.
...makes pretty clear which of the two presidents is a "Russian asset" who capitulates to Russia.
Further, Trump has unleashed a ton of crippling sanctions on Russia that are crushing their ability to wage war, Trump has given military aid to Ukraine to defend themselves from Russia (Obama never gave any military aid), and given Ukraine and the rest of Europe a massive supply of U.S. oil and natural gas so as to eliminate their dependency on Russian oil and gas. And Trump has strengthened NATO and the U.S. military, way beyond what Obama, Hillary or clueless Biden would ever do.
Russia is once again actively trying to help re-elect Trump. Where we’ve pulled out of places Russia has happily moved in. We are more isolated than ever as Trump lavished praise on dictators while bullying allies. Russia putting bounties on US soldiers wasn’t worth Trump bringing up.
Russia is once again actively trying to help re-elect Trump. Where we’ve pulled out of places Russia has happily moved in. We are more isolated than ever as Trump lavished praise on dictators while bullying allies. Russia putting bounties on US soldiers wasn’t worth Trump bringing up.
PROVE THIS ! You can't, because it's a vicious lie.
Every lying talking point you raise has been asked and answered. (1) Trump has unleashed sanctions on Russia like no other president, that are crippling the Russian economy and their ability to wage war. (2) Trump is giving military aid and tank-buster missiles, where Obama never gave Ukraine *ANY* military aid. (3) Trump has vastly expanded oil and natural gas to Ukraine and to the rest of Europe, freeing these countries from dependence on Russia, and from Russian aggression where they have threatened Ukraine, Poland and Germany in the past. In the process of expanding production to do this, Trump has made the U.S. energy independent and a net exporter of oil for the first time in 70 years, creating millions of U.S. jobs in the process. Jobs and domestic oil production and energy independence Crazy Joe Biden has already vowed to eliminate if elected. We already see how well eliminating oil fossil-feul before there is an alternative "clean" energy source is working in California, with rolling un-announced brown-outs. Biden would spread this disaster to all 50 states.
So I think it's clear that if Vladimir Putin wants to rig an election to favor a candidate, Russia would rig it to get Biden in office, who would be a far weaker negotiator with Putin than Trump has proven to be over the last 4 years.
1) It's sourced from the Democrat-friendly liberal media USA Today, and it shaves the facts, not citing that the Russians spent a total of about $200,000, as I've said prior, what a typical auto dealership anywhere in the U.S. spends annually on advertising, a tiny amount. Relative to the $ 2 BILLION the Hillary Clinton campaign spent in 2016 (about double the total Trump campaign spending in 2016) so the Russians' "interference" was about 1 thousandth of the Hillary campaign's warchest. Nothing.
2) More importantly, this article is from 6 months ago (April 2020), and a great amount has been revealed in the last month. That Obama's then-CIA director John Brennan completely misrepresented the facts in the unredacted documents revealed in the last month. DNI John Ratcliffe Releases Underly...nspired Trump-Russia Collusion Narrative
Specifically [unredacted memo from John Brennan]:
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[?] on the afternoon of July 28, 2016, I informed [President Obama] in a hurriedly scheduled meeting that Russian President Vladimir Putin had authorized his intelligence services to carry out activities to hurt Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and boost the election prospects of Donald Trump.
That's the *LYING NARRATIVE* fronted by John Brennan.
But here's what has been revealed:
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Candidate Hillary Clinton proposing the strategic deployment of a Russian collusion narrative on July 26, 2016, is additionally important because only one day earlier, July 25, 2016, Clinton campaign Manager Robby Mook advocated for this exact narrative on the first day of the 2016 Democrat National Convention in Philadelphia. ◾April 2016 ? Fusion GPS hired to dig up dirt on Trump. Fusion hires Chris Steele to write his fabricated Trump-Russia Dossier. ◾June 2016 ? Clinton campaign coordinates with State Dept. allies to introduce Veselnitskaya to Donald Trump Jr. ◾July 2016 ? Clinton campaign pushes Russian conspiracy narrative to allies in intelligence community, John Brennan. Peter Strzok begins Trump-Russia investigation; FBI, DOJ and aggregate intelligence community weaponized to assist. ◾August 2016 ? Clinton campaign advisor, former Acting CIA Director Mike Morell, writes op-ed in New York Times postulating Trump-Russia collusion narrative. ◾September 2016 ? U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding ?U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton?s approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server.?
Followed by a detailed play-by-play in the article of how the Democrat conspiracy was set up and took form throughout June and July 2016.
So... well before the first FISA warrant, CIA director John Brennan himself informed President Barack Obama in July 2016 that the "Trump and Russia Collusion" narrative was completely false, that it was manufactured by the Hillary Clinton campaign, and that the Hillary campaign funded Perkins-Coie law firm, that funded Fusion GPS, that hired former MI-6 spy Christopher Steele, who solicited the false narrative against Trump directly from Russia intelligence agents (i.e., the Hillary Clinton campaign colluded with the Russian government).
And that Obama, VP Biden, chief of staff McDonaugh, national security advisor Susan Rice, FBI director James Comey, and CIA director John Brennan *ALL* knew this "Trump-Russia collusion" was completely false, that the collusion from the very beginning was sourced at every stage from the Hillary Clinton campaign, and (like FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith) they completely falsified and completely flipped the narrative to the exact opposite of what it truly was, to smear, issue unlawful FISA warrants based on false evidence, and maliciously prosecute Trump officials. They *ALL* were in on it, they all knew. The Brennan memo from July 28th tells us all that.
There won't be any indictments before the election, but at least the unredacted documents will expose the truth. If Trump is re-elected (as I see the nationwide enthusiasm for Trump resulting in his re-election) there will be prosecutions, FINALLY. If the Biden campaign Trojan Horse somehow wins, all of it will be swept under the rug as if it was never revealed, and the full-scale destruction of America will begin. Riots in cities across all 50 states, wealth redistribution, further Covid lockdowns despite the science that advises against it (because lockdowns are a convenient means and cover for consolidating authoritarian control), open borders and a massive spike in crime, and ultimately implementing Democrat one-party control for the next 100 years. Assuming the nation survives another 10 years under Democrat-Bolshevik control.
Another report I saw today on OAN said that as many as 130,000 (of the current 210,000 U.S. deaths) are in truth deaths caused by Pneumonia, heart disease, Influenza, cancer and other causes that actually caused their deaths. And only unrelated to their treatment, as a requirement to enter the hospital, are tested, and test positive (or after death were just believed to be positive) for Covid-19. As I've seen reported frequently, there is actually an incentive for hospitals to falsely report deaths as from Covid-19, because the federal government reimburses the hospitals for Covid deaths, that hospitals don't get any reimbursement for patients who die from some other cause. So there is a financial incentive to falsely report deaths this way, beyond a political motivation. I've seen multiple interviews of doctors who are angry that they were/are pressured to falsely report deaths as Covid-19, when they and their supervisors know very well these patients died of other causes.
I cited onecase in Florida a few months ago, where a 19 year old guy died in a motorcycle accident, and only after he was dead was he tested, and was positive for Covid-19. But clearly he died of fatal injuries, not from Covid-19. Only because a reporter pushed for details of the actual cause of death in this and other cases was it shown there were thousands of fraudulently reported deaths by Covid-19 in Florida.
And also that there were tens of thousands of negative Covid-19 tests not reported, to make the positive cases appear to be a much higher ratio of positive tests in Florida than there truly were.
The new monthly jobs report was just announced, 638,000 jobs created, lowering national unemployment to 6.9%.
Unemployment when Barack Obama left office in Jan 2017 was 4.8%. Just imagine how easily Trump would have been able to drop it to 4.8% or lower by now, if Democrat governors in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Oregon, Washington, and California had not locked down their states till the election (precisely to influence the election, suppressing recovery in almost half the states, with no regard for their citizens. Trump accomplished this much, with almost half the states not cooperating. And even as it is, the U.S. has less economic damage than Canada (over 7% economic drop) and the nations of Europe (all between 5% and 9% economic drop).
Folks just got a call today from an old neighbor letting them know she tested positive for Covid after her son called saying he was really sick and Covid positive. They just all had Thanksgiving together because they believed Trump. Hate their politics but they deserved better leadership.
Folks just got a call today from an old neighbor letting them know she tested positive for Covid after her son called saying he was really sick and Covid positive. They just all had Thanksgiving together because they believed Trump. Hate their politics but they deserved better leadership.
*SIGH*....
Welcome back to the boards, M E M. I wish your friends the best. And unless they are elderly or have some other immunodeficiency condtion, they should suffer only about two weeks of discomfort.
People aged 0-18 have about a 99.997% chance of recovery. People 19-54 have about a 99.995% chance of recovery. People aged 55-69 have about a 99.95% chance of recovery. and those over 70 still have a 99.5% chance of recovery.
I've seen many news stories of people over 90 recovering and leaving the hospital, and one case a patient over 100 who made a full recovery.
As I said, I had flu symptoms for 5 weeks from March 13th to April 20th, and may or may not have had Covid-19 myself. I never got tested because for a long time testing was in short supply. When I finally contacted the Florida health department, they said that it was so long after my recovery that they said my level of antibodies had likely diminished to the point they would not be detectable by a test. Likewise my usefulness as a potential blood-serum donor.
Do you really think no one got Covid-19 at a Democrat rally, or a BLM protest or riot? That it only affects Trump supporters? One of my favorite news stories was (and I linked it earlier in the topic) when at the peak of BLM riots in cities nationwide, in one weekend rioters burned down about 20 Covid-19 testing centers in at least 3 cities, and then as a result of their crowds, many got sick, and desperately needed the testing centers they had just burned down! Also, in states and nations worldwide, the ones locked down actually get Covid- infected at a higher rate than those who don't. While those who don't social distance still get infected, many who take all precautions still do (including many Senators and House members of both parties, no matter how careful they are). It certainly can't be proven that not wearing a mask puts one at more risk. Even an N-95 mask is no guarantee of avoiding infection, and the space between the fibers of any other kind of mask allows Covid-19 to easily penetrate and be inhaled.
And while many Republicans are resistant to wearing a mask, I don't see where Trump himself told people to not wear a mask for Thanksgiving get-togethers. I've seen Republican and Democrat leaders both defiantly say they would be travelling to large family get-togethers for Thanksgiving. Including hypocrites like CA governor Gavin Newsom, DC mayor Muriel Bowser, Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, NY mayor Bill Deblasio, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and other prominent Democrats who order lockdowns for others and then shamelessly violate their own rules. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...cian-to-flout-own-coronavirus-guidelines https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ght-breaking-their-own-coronavirus-rules
Not to mention virulent infected sacks of shit like virtue-signalling CNN anchor Chris Cuomo, who scolds other people for not wearing a mask, even as he goes out in public [videotaped in the act!] at the peak of his Covid-19 infection. Which just proves there's absolutely nothing that can get a Trump-hating CNN anchor fired.
I have an N-95 mask, but I honestly don't think it makes any difference. It may reduce the risk slightly, making it a slightly lesser chance of inhaling the virus. But I mostly wear a mask to be compliant and for the complacency/comfort of others, not because I think it offers any real protection.
The narrative that Trump has somehow failed the nation regarding Covid-19 is so polar opposite the truth. As I've detailed several times. With great forward thinking despite the bad advice of Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC), Trump wisely put temporary bans on travel from China and from Europe. And in 2019 a year prior to the crisis, Trump secured the Southern border blocking another potential path of uncontained infection. And Trump's trade war with China since Jan 2019 vastly decreased our economic dependency on supply from China, just before the crisis hit. That's why we've only had about 250,000 deaths, instead of 2 million or more, as was originally predicted. With the Democrats in charge, you can bet those casualties would have been far higher, with no plan to contain it. As Biden advisor Ron Klain freely admitted regarding Obama-era attempts to contain a similar swine flu in 2009-2010. In his words, there was absolutely no preparation by the Obama administration, and they were just "very lucky" the outbreak was not more severe. THESE are the people you would trust over Trump?!!? Be serious. [youtube][/youtube]
Trump displayed remarkable leadership on fast-tracking a vaccine, like no other president (of either party, D or R) would have, so that we got a vaccine available six days after the election from at least TWO manufacturers, IN AN INCREDIBLE 8 MONTHS, so that 20 million doses will be distributed before Dec 31, and to the whole country by March or April 2021. In 8 months.
Geez, M E M, give Trump just the SLIGHTEST bit of credit.
I listened to the audio of him talking about how it was much more deadlier than the flu. Than he publicly downplayed the threat and held super spreader events. He is an awful person that made a pandemic even deadlier.
President-elect Joe Biden on Friday said that another round of coronavirus stimulus checks for U.S. families “may be still in play.
“I think it would be better if they had the $1,200 [payments to families],” Biden said when asked at a press conference to respond to criticism about a new Covid relief plan revealed this week as a starting point for the latest round of negotiations on Capitol Hill.
Biden added: “And I understand that may be still in play. But, I’m not going to comment on the specific details. The whole purpose of this is, we’ve got to make sure people aren’t thrown out of their apartments, lose their homes, are able to have unemployment insurance [that] they can continue to feed their families on as we grow back the economy.”
Trump administration is sure there will be enough vaccine for anyone that wants it in other news. So I’m guessing there won’t be enough. Trump can’t even acknowledge the death toll.
It is sad that trump politicized a true threat to this country. How many lives could have been saved just if he had been a decent human being? Instead states got attacked for trying to act like there was a deadly highly contagious pandemic hitting us. I see today Trump refused multiple times to buy extra vaccines when he had a chance. Now he’s golfing while he tries to stay in power by throwing away election results as coronavirus deaths get higher and higher.
Posted by someone who just advocated for throwing out election results because his loser lost and still wants to stay in office. We know how you really feel about liberty g
The news is full of stories about the vaccine ready to save the world from the pandemic. Pfizer, an American multinational pharmaceutical, is jumping up and down with joy. President Trump is tweeting and complaining, asking why the great news came six days after the elections: it might have flipped the election for him.
But in the midst of this great news, the world will most likely not notice one fact: that the vaccine was invented by two Muslim scientists, Turkish immigrants to Germany. These heroes could protect humanity from a virus that has killed 1,280,000 people and impacted billions.
If Germany had an “American dream” these scientists, physicians, and now billionaires would be its poster child. These two physicians-turned-scientists, Dr. Ugur Sahin and his wife Dr. Özlem Türeci, met each other in a German medical school. She was born to Turkish immigrants and he was four years old when he came with his immigrant parents to Germany. Dr. Sahin is also Professor of Immunology at University of Mainz, Germany.
It is sad that trump politicized a true threat to this country. How many lives could have been saved just if he had been a decent human being? Instead states got attacked for trying to act like there was a deadly highly contagious pandemic hitting us. I see today Trump refused multiple times to buy extra vaccines when he had a chance. Now he’s golfing while he tries to stay in power by throwing away election results as coronavirus deaths get higher and higher.
It never ceases to amaze me, M E M, your complete immunity to the facts.
No matter how incriminating the evidence against your side, Mayor Bill DeBlasio, Gov Andrew Cuomo, Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Gov Gretchen Whitmer, on and on, the Demcorat mayors and governors and health department heads who break their own Covid-19 lockdown rules, while forcing others to obey, starve and lose their homes and businesses.
And yet you always find a way to twist the true facts into a lying-narrative-pretzel to make Trump the bad guy. Trump, the guy who secured the borders to prevent the country by being overwhelmed by Covid-infected travellers from China, Europe and illegal immigrants on the Southern border. Trump who as president showed remarkable leadership in creating unimaginable amounts of PPE medical protective equipment, ventilators, makeshift field hospitals for overflow patients, deploying navy medical ships, and pushing forward production of a vaccine in an incredible 9 months that would normally take years to create.
Trump you demonize, while heaping praise on the corrupt Democrat incompetents who would kill us all with their inaction and arrogance, if they and not Trump were in charge. Watch again the clip of Biden chief of staff Ron Klain, saying they did nothing to safeguard the country from a SARS/Swine Flu outbreak in in 2009-2010, that it was "just luck" that the outbreak was not more deadly. Compare to Trump in 2020, with bold decisive action and undeniably more effective results, with a vaccine that will be given to 30 million Americans before Dec 31st..
This is actually not new news per se as there was earlier reporting that the trumpsters were pushing for a herd immunity approach to Covid. They were just lying about it. Killing grandma because shopping and going to the bars are more valued.
This is actually not new news per se as there was earlier reporting that the trumpsters were pushing for a herd immunity approach to Covid. They were just lying about it. Killing grandma because shopping and going to the bars are more valued.
You're a moron, parroting a lying talking point.
Up to about the age of 50, the average person has a 99.997% chance of surviving without complications.
"Herd immunity", as I've explained before, and if you were not an ignorant partisan dipshit immune to the facts, is about protecting the vulnerable (such as the elderly, and the immune-compromised of all ages) and while taking reasonable precautions (masks and social distancing ), Covid-19 won't kill the overwhelming number of people who get it. Over the age of 70, that number goes down to about 99.95% who survive. These lockdowns, which aren't even scientific or effective, are NOT about prevention. They are about globalist/Leftist/marxist society change and establishing authoritarian CONTROL, under the disguise of protecting people. But study after study shows that lockdowns actually cause MORE infections, in addition to economic damage. They're really about crushing small business owners, Christians, Jews and other conservative religious groups, gun owners and retailers, and other enemies of the Left. Crushing conservatives' ability to gather and organize.
Further, "herd immunity" just means that 50% to 70% of a population has achieved immunity. And herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination. As Trump's administration has conceived and organized extremely well.
And even in Sweden, where they have tried to reach herd immunity without a vaccine, they have slightly more cases, but without the economic devastation of the lockdowns implemented by tyrannical governors in the U.S., and in many other nations.
And the "killing grandma" method you allege, was ACTUALLY implemented by Democrat governors in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and other Democrat states. Whereas Republican states like Texas and Florida took precautions for the elderly, and therefore never came near the elderly nursing home casualties of the Democrat-governor states. And I repeat : New York governor Andrew Cuomo, despite enormous resources given to him by President Trump, everything Cuomo requested, SQUANDERED those resources, and Cuomo oversaw the highest ratio of Covid-19 deaths OF ANY REGION ON THE ENTIRE PLANET !
Incompetents. Corrupt incompetents. If Biden is inaugurated, God help us all.
Without the death totals racked up by incompetent Democrat governors, the U.S. would have BY FAR the lowest ratio of deaths per 100,000 of any nation on the planet. Last I looked, we were the 2nd lowest, only surpassed by Germany, but Germany has since had a large surge in deaths and may no longer be the lowest.
And I would add that governors from red and blue states have taken measures to try to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and death totals down. It’s not about control but public health as these measures are only temporary and change according to infection rates. Control would be a president declaring martial law to try to stay in power after losing an election. That I hear is being actively being discussed by trump.
Just to clear up who the liars are WB. That would be trump.
You apparently lack reading comprehension skills to read and understand your own linked article. And in your partisan hate of Trump, you attempt to twist what it says in a narrow context, to allege it says the opposite of what it ACTUALLY says.
From your own article:
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Here is what Mr Trump said on Tuesday night at the Philadelphia town hall: “Sure, over a period of time. Sure, with time it goes away. And you'll develop – you'll develop herd – like a herd mentality. It's going to be – it's going to be herd-developed, and that's going to happen. That will all happen. But with a vaccine, I think it will go away very quickly.”
If you were talking about Sweden or Germany going for a herd immunity approach with a strategy of everyone in the country becoming infected without a vaccine in order to build herd immunity, that would be accurate. Those nations actually did publicly state that strategy. But it is not accurate to say that Trump did that. Everything Trump said was first said, and said repeatedly, by Anthony Fauci and Jerome Adams, which you ignore. But from the very beginning, Trump's aggressive goal was to fast-track a vaccine, NOT to let the whole country get infected. You are deliberately fronting a false narrative. And that vaccine became ready 5 days after the Nov 3rd election, and probably weeks before, and only with-held for political reasons.
Regarding not wearing a mask, if you were not a lying partisan zealot trying to twist the truth, you might recall that both NIH director Anthony Fauci and also surgeon general Jerome Adams, BOTH mocked the notion of wearing a mask for at least the first 2 months of the Covid-19 outbreak. As have other medical experts ongoing, such as Alex Berenson of the New York Times, and Dr Scott Atlas, long before he was a member of the president's Covid-19 task force. As DOES SCIENCE reject wearing a mask as effective against Covid-19. Because a typical surgical mask has holes between its fibers that the virus can easily pass through. And even an N-95 mask which has fibers narrow enough to prevent the virus from passing through, is still not a guarantee of protection from infection. If a mask gets wet, then the fibers widen so it no longer gives protection from the virus. An N-95 might reduce the risk, but even that is questionable protection. Other masks offer NO credible protection.
So, once again, you're quoting Trump as saying something, deceitfully outside the context that all Trump's advisors and others in the medical community were saying the exact same thing.
And others such as Dr. Atlas, and honest journalists such as Alex Berenson (whom Amazon tried to block and prevent distribution of his book on Covid-19 that went against the Democrat narrative) have been saying consistently for the last year, while Anthony Fauci and Jerome Adams have been inconsistent and all over the place, and even admit they lied to the public so that regular citizens would not use PPE masks, so the short supply of masks would be available only for hospital staff. The admitted liars you believe, and then you call Trump a liar.
It's to be expected that the liars on your side would exalt the admitted liars like Fauci and Adams, and hold them up as truth-tellers, even as you hold up Trump's words as "lies", despite that Trump was only repeating THEIR rhetoric at the time Trump said it ! Because that fits your lying Bolshevik narrative.
Senior Trump officials have repeatedly denied that herd immunity — a concept advocated by some conservatives as a tactic to control Covid-19 by deliberately exposing less vulnerable populations in hopes of re-opening the economy — was under consideration or shaped the White House's approach to the pandemic. “Herd immunity is not the strategy of the U.S. government with regard to coronavirus," HHS Secretary Alex Azar testified in a hearing before the House coronavirus subcommittee on Oct. 2.
That’s from the earlier “we want them infected “ link WB. And Fauci changed his views on mask wearing as evidence mounted that mask wearing prevented spread. It’s just not comparable to Trump truly mocking people for wearing masks long after it was evident that it was helpful. Hell, he’s been hosting super spreader events all along to boot. I listen to the audio of him telling Woodward about how dangerous Covid really is way back almost a year ago and it’s just incredible how awful he’s been.
So Trump trashed the Covid aid with a demand for 2,000 dollar checks. Unemployment benefits run out for a lot of people today. I think this was a fu to the gop for not helping enough to steal the election for him. He’s gotten a lot more people killed and now a lot more can starve.
Rush Limbaugh died a few days ago. But his words and accomplishments live on.
In searching for obituary tributes to Limbaugh, I came across this transcript from his show, relevant to the Covid-19 / Wuhan Flu pandemic, broadcast right about the week the nationwide shutdown began.
Remember the Swine Flu Panic of 2009? No, You Don’t March 12, 2020
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RUSH: I’m always interested in people’s reaction to this program. I think I have a lot of empathy, and I think one of the reasons why the relationship you and I have is good is ’cause I know how you hear this show. That, I think, is a key ingredient. It’s called empathy. I know how you hear it.
So, when I check emails and get questions from people, usually I’m not surprised, and I’m not surprised that I got beaucoup number of questions: “Rush, you don’t sound panicked over any of this. The last two days, you don’t sound panicked, and yet everybody’s panicked. I’m panicked,” people say in their email. “I’m scared to death. I mean, I’ve looked, the stock market was pulling up to 30,000. Now it’s down to 21,000. The Democrat Party, every move they’re making is designed to grow government, make government bigger, and you don’t seem alarmed.”
Folks, panic is… I don’t know. I’m not panicked. I am ticked off like you cannot believe, and I am really having a conversation with myself about how far to go in explaining why I’m mad, ’cause I’m mad about the politics of this. For example, let me give you some statistics. How many of you even remember the swine flu 2009, 2010? I don’t remember it. I mean, I remember we had it. But I don’t remember any panic about it. I don’t remember a thing about the swine flu.
I went back and looked at the stats and I was stunned. Are you ready for this? The swine flu outbreak in this country in 2009 and 2010, 60 million Americans were infected. Do you remember that? Sixty million were infected. Dr. Siegel, one of the Fox doctors was on TV explaining this last night. He was not my primary source for it, but he ended up confirming it. Sixty million people were infected.
Do you know how many people were hospitalized in 2009-2010 with the swine flu? Three hundred thousand were hospitalized. So 60 million people infected, 300,000 hospitalized. And nobody even remembers it. And why? Well, because we had a different president. We had a Democrat president by the name of Barack Obama, and the news then was how wonderfully well Obama was handling it, how expertly well Obama was dealing with it.
There wasn’t any media panic. The Republican Party did not politicize it at all. They made not one single effort that anybody can find or remember to try to make political hay out of it. It was treated as a health issue from top to bottom. Sixty million Americans infected, 300,000 hospitalized. I don’t know what the death toll was. The numbers with the coronavirus are not even close. They are barely a fraction of a percentage compared to the swine flu.
And then we also had Ebola. And I do remember a little bit more about Ebola, and once again, the Drive-By Media was praising the skills and the composure and the brilliance of Barack Obama in dealing with it. And I remember being kind of ticked off about that because there wasn’t anything anybody can do about Ebola. Ebola is like any of these other viruses. There’s nothing we can do to contain them.
See, the reason I’m not panicked is I don’t have enough emotion left for panic ’cause I’m too mad. I’m too ticked off at this. We’re watching the U.S. economy be wrecked here. There’s some people enjoying it. And it makes me mad. There’s some people’s lives here that are being seriously damaged over this. And you know what’s gonna happen? It’s gonna end. We are going to overcome it. It’s going to fizzle out like all of these do.
How did we ever survive 60 million infected with the swine flu? But we did to the point that hardly anybody remembers it. And that’s just 10 years ago, 300,000 hospitalized. So we overcame it. We overcame Ebola. This is gonna end, it’s gonna pass. And I’ll tell you what else is gonna happen. Because of the actions President Trump has taken, like this travel ban from Europe, that has really put the Democrats in a dicey position.
There’s some real positives if you want to find ’em here, and I, of course, have, and I’ll share them with you in a minute. The point is we’re gonna rebound from this, and when we do, you had better get ready and hold on tight, because this market’s gonna rebound. The people who are selling right now and getting out of it are panicking, and they don’t want to be selling. Everybody’s doing this from a very defensive posture and point of view.
And it’s adding… Like we get news that Tom Hanks and his wife have coronavirus. “Oh, no, it’s all going (mewling)! It’s over. Oh, my…” And then his kid — his kid, Chet — goes on TV, tries to calm everybody. “They’re fine. They’re in Australia. They’re fine. They’re not suffering at all. Everything’s fine!” It doesn’t matter. They’ve got it.
Anyway, this is gonna end, and this market is gonna rebound like you can’t believe because the people who have been selling off want to get back in it. And we are taking economic procedures right now that are going to serve to further reignite the economy when all this passes. And when we get back into the growth trajectory, some of the proposals the president’s making regarding payroll taxes, Small Business Administration loans, even a tax holiday?
You just wait until people have no more emotion left to be panicked and get tired of this and want to go a different direction. And that day is gonna happen. The day’s gonna come where people are gonna wake and say, “I’m tired of living this way. I’m fed up with being panicked every day. I’m fed up,” and then — because of the actions the president’s taken — we’re not gonna have that many brand-new infections.
By shutting off this travel from Europe… As I said, this has really put the Democrats in a bad position ’cause they love the European Union. They love it, and the very fact that travel from their beloved European Union has been shut down… But let… If they come out and oppose this, then they’re essentially coming out for open borders. This is actually… If you want to look at it politically, it’s a good move from that standpoint.
But I’m not panicking ’cause I’m too mad about this.
This is… I don’t know. (sigh) It’s… I know some of you are saying, “Rush, easy for you to say.” It isn’t easy for me to say, folks. Nobody’s immune from what’s happening here. I mean, you go back and you look at these swine flu numbers and you ask, “What was different? (chuckles) What was different was we had a Democrat in the White House and so the media didn’t want to be critical of the government.
The media wanted to be promoting him. They wanted to be positive. They wanted to promote the brilliance of Barack Obama, the brilliant management skills, the temperament, the crease in his slacks, the intelligence and all that. Now we’ve got just exact opposite.
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RUSH: Meanwhile, don’t forget, ’cause I’m sure everybody has, swine flu outbreak 2009, 2010, right here, United States of America, 60 million Americans infected. Do you remember any talk about running out of hospital beds? Were we gonna run out of IV saline solution? Were we gonna run out of masks? Sixty million Americans infected with the swine flu. Think pigs running everywhere if you have to, however you have to visualize this, 300,000 hospitalized.
We’re nowhere near 300,000 hospitalized with coronavirus. I mean, we’re not even close to it. In fact, worldwide we don’t even have 300,000 cases, worldwide, of the coronavirus. Three hundred thousand hospitalized in the United States alone. You don’t even remember it. You know why? Because Barack Obama was president, and he was God, and we couldn’t be critical. We had to build him up and promote him like nothing else we’ve ever seen before.
I had an illness for about 4 weeks in mid-late 2010, and it was the most painful flu I've ever had. And I never heard of Swine Flu / H1N1 until much later, that's how little media coverage it got..
Around the time of Rush's above broadcast, I was sick from March 11 to (if I recall) till April 20th of 2020, about 5 weeks. While I had a mild fever that initially peaked about 101 degrees and lasted at a lesser 99-100 most of that 5 weeks, it felt relatively mild, and it was only after I was sick for over 2 weeks that I began to think I might have had Covid-19. As I detailed earlier in the topic, I was unable at that time to get tested, and even months later. When testing finally became more available, I finally contacted the Palm Beach County health department about 4 or 5 months after I got over it, just so that if I had antibodies I could donate blood to help others. But I was told at that point that by that stage my antibodies would have diminished to the point of being undetectable, so I would neither be able to verify I had the disease, or show antibodies to donate blood for others hospitalized.
The point being, I normally am a healthy person and get sick at most a week or 10 days. Both these cases were highly unusual in their length. So the comparison really resonates for me. And the point of how Democrats politicized Covid-19 as a weapon to attack Trump, whereas Republicans never made the slightest attempt to do the same in 2009-2010, because it was all about pumping up Obama as a great president, and doing the exact opposite to destroy Trump, no matter how exceptionally Trump handled the crisis.
Looking at the exceptional performance here in Florida of Gov. Ron Desantis, and seeing how that is maligned daily by the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, the Miami Herald and the Palm Beach Post, you can see the exact same pattern. Where despite that Desantis did everything right, as sharply contrasted with Democrat governors in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Michigan and California who have failed miserably, with punishing lockdowns and sending elderly Covid-19 patients to nursing homes to kill thousands. While Florida with a far larger elderly population has had far less over-65 deaths, these three large Florida newspapers can only say negative things about Gov. Ron Desantis, who is not given credit for doing anything right.
It follows in perfect parallel with how the media has treated President Trump.
And now clueless President Biden has recently considered shutting down travel to Florida for no logical reason, odd since Florida has dropped down to 30th (of 50 states) in hospitalizations, and 42nd (of 50 states) in deaths. Logically, Biden would first shut down 29 other states before he'd consider doing that to Florida.
I think pretty obviously Biden (and the sinister Bolshevik hand-wringers who truly run his government, not him) want to cripple Florida economically, so it ceases to present such a shining contrast to the incompetent Democrat governors in the above listed states, who have destroyed their economies, are desperate for a bailout, and have driven out a mass exodus of tens of thousands of disgusted upper-class taxpayers to other states, especially migrating to Texas and Florida.
I didn’t actually know anyone that died of swine flu back in 09 but in less than a year I’ve lost several people to Covid. Big difference to me but one that is probably meaningless to someone who just views things as one partisan side being good and the other bad being the most important thing ever.
I didn’t actually know anyone that died of swine flu back in 09 but in less than a year I’ve lost several people to Covid. Big difference to me but one that is probably meaningless to someone who just views things as one partisan side being good and the other bad being the most important thing ever.
Uh... you and those politically aligned with you are the ones who politicize EVERYTHING just to demonize the other side and gain some kind of political advantage. The EXACT POINT of what I posted above is that the Republicans DID NOT politicize Swine Flu / H1N1, that way that Democrats did Covid-19 EVERY SINGLE DAY Trump was president. And now that Biden has stumbled into the White House, your side acts like Trump didn't create a vaccine in record time and authorize 100 million doses before he left office. And despite that Biden's team has incompetently dropped the ball, the news media asks not questions, and just swoons "Ooooohhhh, what a wonderful president Biden is!"
That's precisely the point of the Limbaugh broadcast transcript I posted above.
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3 - 89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086 - 402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868 - 18,306) in the United States due to the virus.[121]
A follow-up study done in September 2010 showed that the risk of serious illness resulting from the 2009 H1N1 flu was no higher than that of the yearly seasonal flu.[122] For comparison, the CDC estimates the global H1N1 death toll at 284,000 and the WHO estimates that 250,000 to 500,000 people die of seasonal flu annually.
...it definitely was a major problem. And as Biden's then (and now) chief of staff Ron Klain admitted on video (which I posted above), their administration did absolutely nothing to stop it, and it was just "luck" that it was not a more deadly and severe outbreak.
For whatever reason you've lost people close to you, I'm sorry for that, M E M.
But even the CDC has acknowledged that only 6% of Covid-19 "deaths" are exclusively due to Covid-19, and are instead due to co-morbidity conditions such as cancer, heart disease, asthma, diabetes and other immune compromising conditions. And even of those diagnosed as "Covid-19" deaths, there are many listed in that category where there was no test done to confirm it was Covid-19. As I've cited before, many hospitals list Covid-19 as the cause of eath only for insurance-reimbursement purposes. I've seen many interviews of doctors who say they were pressured to list Covid-19 as the cause of death, when everyone pressuring them knows damn well it wasn't Covid-19. There are also many cases where the person died of something else, and only tested positive when screened entering the hospital, and despite that it had absolutely noting to do with their death, Covid-19 is listed as the cause of death. One hospital doctor I saw interviewed estimated that over 80% of Covid-19 diagnosed deaths are wrongly listed, often purposely, for medical reimbursement and profit, and for political reasons to inflate the statistics.
I live in Florida, a state with the 2nd highest ratio of elderly people of any state in the U.S., and live in one of the 3 most densely infected counties in Florida, and with the possible exception of myself, I don't know anyone who has contracted the virus. My mother has an elderly friend who was infected and hospitalized around July-August 2020, and as he tells it, he would have been better off if he had never gone to the hospital, that his treatment actually endangered him more and prolonged his illness. A real estate agent friend of my mother's had a co-worker who tested positive, and everyone in the office had to be tested. It took 17 days for her to get the results, but she turned out to be negative. Another friend of my father's in his 40's tested positive but was asymptomatic, and just under observation for 10 days or so. So I don't see how you, in a region that has a relatively small number of cases relative to mine and other states, could have so many deaths.
You can revisit Trump explaining to Bob Woodward why Covid is different. Our life expectancy dropped a year because of Covid. I get how Covid can do that and not be the sole cause of death in a lot of cases. I look at the people I know that have died of Covid probably all had secondary factors but if not for Covid they would still be alive.
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man, November 30, 2020
Folks just got a call today from an old neighbor letting them know she tested positive for Covid after her son called saying he was really sick and Covid positive. They just all had Thanksgiving together because they believed Trump. Hate their politics but they deserved better leadership.
Just 3 months later...
In addition to other Democrat political leader hypocrites like CA governor Gavin Newsom, DC mayor Muriel Bowser, Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, NY mayor Bill Deblasio, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and other prominent Democrats who order lockdowns for others and then shamelessly violate their own rules, and virtue-signalling CNN anchor Chris Cuomo who was caught while bemoaning his covid-19 infection nightly on his show, was caught, infected and virulent, not only walking around New York City while virulently infected, but also without a mask, caught on cel-phone video.
Add to that list Covid-19 task force member Deborah Birx, who also had crowded family get-togethers, while scolding and virtue-signalling everyone else to stay home.
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In December 2020, Birx indicated that she will retire from government soon after Joe Biden assumes office, stating that she "will stay as long as needed and then retire"; she said her tenure "has been a bit overwhelming" and "very difficult on my family".[38] Birx's announcement came after it was revealed that she had hosted three generations of her family from two households during Thanksgiving after she had urged Americans to restrict such gatherings to "your immediate household".[39]
Oh, and by the way, incompetent President Biden is letting in thousands of illegals across our Southern border EVERY DAY, mobs by the thousands Trump had virtually eliminated and kept out. Far beyond just letting them in, Biden is incentivizing cartels to crowd as many illegals as they can into trucks and other vehicles, a perfect breeding ground for mass infection. And Biden is not only encouraging this, but allowing the infected to be released and run wild across our country by the thousands, completely untested. In addition to massive Covid-19 infection, it is also a breeding ground for rape, child abuse, abduction, murder and human slavery on a vast scale. Biden is doing the exact opposite of protecting the country from Covid-19.
Biden and Pelosi turn Washington DC into a walled armed fortress, while simultaneously opening the Southern border to the world's Covid-19-infected, to infect us all. How can even a piece-of-shit Democrat zealot defend and endorse this?
You can revisit Trump explaining to Bob Woodward why Covid is different. Our life expectancy dropped a year because of Covid. I get how Covid can do that and not be the sole cause of death in a lot of cases. I look at the people I know that have died of Covid probably all had secondary factors but if not for Covid they would still be alive.
I've seen multiple reports that only 6% of Covid deaths are actually from the disease, and not from "co-morbid conditions" such as compromised immunity, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, asthma and other pre-existing conditions.
There is also the incentives provided, where hospitals order doctors to declare deaths to be from Covid when they are not, because hospitals are financially compensated for Covid deaths, whereas if they claim death by other causes there is no compensation. Many are never tested for Covid, but are declared Covid deaths for pure financial reasons. Here in Florida, a reporter inquired about deaths in the Orlando area, where a 19 year old male died of injuries in a motorcycle accident, but the medical examiner labelled it a "Covid-19 death", when clearly it was not. I've seen many doctors go public complaining there is pressure to certify deaths as Covid-19, when they and their employers know absolutely that is not the case. And obviously up until inauguration day, that was to inflate the body count to create a talking point that reflects badly on Trump.
In Trump’s final year our country’s life expectancy dropped a year. MAGA?
That's crap.
1) Coronavirus impacted every nation on earth in a similar way.
2) as I've detailed before, the death count in the U.S. has been artificially inflated both for financial reasons where hospitals get financial compensation from reporting deaths from Covid whether they are or not, despite that many are proven to NOT be Covid deaths, not even tsted for Covid. And with the Democrat wing of the medical community wanting to exaggerate the death count just to make Trump look bad. I've seen multiple doctors interviewed saying that the Covid deaths are exaggerated by as much as 80% to 90%. Even the CDC admits on their own site that only 6% of Covid deaths are from Covid, and not from pre-existing co-morbid conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, cancer, asthma and so forth.
At least 11 million people currently in lockdown in China.
And there are reports of deaths in China that far exceed to official Chinese Communist Party's numbers. As the Epoch Times revealed in their reporting, based on the number of cel phones that in one month suddenly had service cut off, combined with the number of cremation urns ordered in funeral homes in cities across the outbreak areas, they estimate the deaths in China to be about 50 times greater than China's official numbers.
I wonder how M E M and the Democrat left will twist the facts of this to somehow blame it on Trump.
Even as Biden and his puppetmasters kick open our Southern border to uncounted tens of thousands of Covid-infected illegal immigrants. That they're not even testing, before letting them loose to get on buses and run wild across the U.S. !
In Trump’s final year our country’s life expectancy dropped a year. MAGA?
That's crap.
1) Coronavirus impacted every nation on earth in a similar way.
2) as I've detailed before, the death count in the U.S. has been artificially inflated both for financial reasons where hospitals get financial compensation from reporting deaths from Covid whether they are or not, despite that many are proven to NOT be Covid deaths, not even tsted for Covid. And with the Democrat wing of the medical community wanting to exaggerate the death count just to make Trump look bad. I've seen multiple doctors interviewed saying that the Covid deaths are exaggerated by as much as 80% to 90%. Even the CDC admits on their own site that only 6% of Covid deaths are from Covid, and not from pre-existing co-morbid conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, cancer, asthma and so forth.
What is crap is you trying to downplay it. I’m not thrilled that life expectancy dropped a year in 2020 but all this attempting to downplay it is part of the reason it was that much. We would have had less spread without the trumpist political crap that is still going on. Really what is the value of ending mask mandates just when we don’t have even half the country vaccinated yet and variants coming into play?
In Trump’s final year our country’s life expectancy dropped a year. MAGA?
That's crap.
1) Coronavirus impacted every nation on earth in a similar way.
2) as I've detailed before, the death count in the U.S. has been artificially inflated both for financial reasons where hospitals get financial compensation from reporting deaths from Covid whether they are or not, despite that many are proven to NOT be Covid deaths, not even tsted for Covid. And with the Democrat wing of the medical community wanting to exaggerate the death count just to make Trump look bad. I've seen multiple doctors interviewed saying that the Covid deaths are exaggerated by as much as 80% to 90%. Even the CDC admits on their own site that only 6% of Covid deaths are from Covid, and not from pre-existing co-morbid conditions such as heart disease, diabetes, cancer, asthma and so forth.
What is crap is you trying to downplay it. I’m not thrilled that life expectancy dropped a year in 2020 but all this attempting to downplay it is part of the reason it was that much. We would have had less spread without the trumpist political crap that is still going on. Really what is the value of ending mask mandates just when we don’t have even half the country vaccinated yet and variants coming into play?
What's clear is your irrational hatred of Trump, and your attempt to blame the entire Covid-19 crisis on Trump, despite that facts that show otherwise.
And your complete lack of supporting facts or context for your argument.
It is an absolute fact that Covid-19 hit every nation on earth, that deaths went up in every nation on earth as a result. It is also a fact that while Trump was president, he did an exceptional job of slowing the rate of infection to allow preparation of our hospitals, creation of field hospitals and ventilator machines, and other PPE, way beyond what any other person as president could have done, far exceeding what anyone thought was possible.
That Trump temporarily suspended flights from China, and later from Europe, to allow these preparations to be ready before the Covid-19 surge of cases hit our hospitals. Travel suspensions that bureaucrats Fauci ((NIH) and Redfield (CDC) both advised against, and then later admitted were "the greatest strategic move" Trump made that saved countless thousands of lives. As compared to the governors of NY, NJ, PA, MI and CA, who squandered their resources, even the resources Trump gave them, and needlessly caused thousands of people to die. In the case of NY governor Cuomo, the highest ratio of deaths of any region IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! That alone should have put Cuomo in jail, for covering up the deaths directly resulting from his policy. How incredible that Cuomo will likely be removed due tor 7 women accusing him of sexual harassment, than the fact that Cuomo needlessly killed 15,000 people, and then cooked the books to hide the carnage. That Democrats are more outraged by Cuomo's creepy sexual behavior than 15,000 deaths, manifests some truly warped priorities on the part of the Democrat/Left. Without these 7 women accusers, Cuomo would likely be cruising to a 2024 presidential run.
It is an absolute fact that without Trump, we would not have a vaccine now. THREE now, actually. Possibly a fourth about to be released. And that Trump advance-ordered production to be at the ready in Sept 2020 for a pre-order of 800 million doses. And incredibly, a thoroughly incompetent Biden tried to steal credit for a vaccine roll-out he has only slowed down and obstructed. Biden alleged that Trump left him with nothing in Covid vaccine preparedness. But we all know the first vaccine was announced 5 days after the Nov 3rd election (obviously ready and delayed till after the election, so as not to help Trump politically) . By the time Trump left office 30 million people had been vaccinated. INCLUDING JOE BIDEN !! Biden's first dose was Dec 21st. His second dose was Jan 11th. Obviously, that precedes his inauguration by a large margin.
And again, Trump pre-ordered 800 million doses. More than enough to vaccinate all 325 million Americans who want the vaccine, and then some. Kamala Harris and Democrat members of congress also got vaccinated before Biden's inauguration. (And Ocasio-Cortez, in her 30's, was criticized for abusing her privilege to get the vaccine when she was at very low risk, when many of her constituents need that vaccine far more than she did.)
But back on the subject of deaths, while the U.S. approaches the size of most of Europe and therefore has higher infection numbers (and that's not even getting into the over-reporting of Covid as a cause of death with no documentation, for both political and financial reimbursement reasons), the U.S. of all nations, as I've cited before, has among the lowest death rates, only Germany has a lower death rate, in terms of cases per 100,000 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territory#Total_cases_and_deaths
So yes, what you say is crap. EVERY NATION ON EARTH has a higher death rate for the last year. Your argument is akin to, when Trump's leadership created a vaccine in 9 months, that Trump is hurting and taking away business from doctors by fast-tracking a cure.
How fast was that Swine Flu vaccine under Obama/Biden in 2009-2010 ? Years after it no longer mattered. By Ron Klain's own Youtubed words quoted above (within the last few posts), there was "Nothing" they were able to do, and they were just "very lucky" that the Swine Flu/H1N1 strain was not more deadly. And now Biden has fully funded the WHO's lying subservience to China's deliberately infecting the entire world, what both China and WHO could easily have contained in Wuhan by not allowing airline flights out. And Biden demanded nothing from the WHO in exchange for U.S. funding, no demanded changes (as Trump demanded) in procedures and leadership personnel. Which is like saying to the WHO and China, "Do it again."
In addition to Deborah Birx's hypocrisy, here's Fauci from the same time period, after demanding the entire public wear double masks, here he is at the same time he was virtue-signalling breaking his own rules, sitting closely unmasked at a baseball game with friends.
Even piece-of-shit liberal spin "factcheecker" Snopes doesn't try to spin this as "mostly true", or "partially true", or "somewhat true". Even they said this was undeniably true.
Just as it was undeniably true that Deborah Birx scolded the public not to have big multi-generational family get-togethers for Thanksgiving or Christmas that could be super-spreader events, and then proceeded (caught in her own photos on Facebook after) having a huge multi-generational super-spreader event of her own.
So... the two great Covid-19 authorities that CNN, N Y Times, Washington Post and other mainstream liberal media worship as the absolute authorities on Covid-19 (who are in truth just government bureaucrats who have never treated actual patients in 40 years of their professional academic careers (not medical or clinical), and clearly don't take seriously their own public warnings on Covid.)
And neither do Democrat political leaders such as Schumer, late-night salon frequenter Nancy Pelosi, CA governor Gavin Newsom (who got Covid the night he dined in a crowded restaurant, he and many others with him, the very same night he ordered all of California to stay home), Chicago piece of shit mayor Lori Lightfoot, and many other Democrats, who enforce punishing bankrupting lockdowns on their citizens and even arrest and jail them for... well... just doing less than what these political leaders THEMSELVES are doing. Unlike the vanity and luxury of these Democrat leaders, working people just trying to survive and feed their families.
I'm glad to be in Florida and somewhat insulated from the inconsistent abuse of power going on in states like NY, NJ, CT, PA, MI, IL, WA, OR, CA and other Democrat-controlled states. If I were in those Democrat states, and I lost my home or job or business, or parents in a nursing home who died because of their callous policies, I would want their hot blood on my hands.
In Cuomo's case, he had the field hospitals (THAT TRUMP PROVIDED) to send these elderly patients to, and yet still sent them back to nursing homes to infect and kill at least 15,000 elderly patients needlessly. The highest ratio of Covid-19 death on the entire planet !! And then Cuomo changed the laws on statistics of patients released from hospitals back to nursing homes, to hide his negligence that killed them ! And then he politically threatened anyone who would expose the true numbers! And THEN he wrote a book bragging about his great political leadership in the Covid-19 crisis !! And the only reason we know all this now is because one of Cuomo's staffers was briefing what she thought was only Democrat NY legislators, but unknown to her, there was a Republican among that group, who unwittingly learned and finally exposed the truth. So if not for accidentally revealing the true facts to a Republican, the other piece-of-shit Democrats would have kept this a secret indefinitely, for years, maybe forever. And it is ONLY because the wider public now knows, that these piece-of-shit Democrats are now attacking Cuomo and calling for his resignation. Till the voters knew the truth that Dem leaders were hiding, they were perfectly fine with sweeping all these deaths under the rug.
And without the additional scandal of 7 twenty-something female employees accusing Cuomo of sexually inappropriate behavior, even with the 15,000 elderly people Cuomo's actions killed, "THE GOLDEN GOVERNOR" Andrew Cuomo would likely be cruising to a 2024 presidential run with the full blessing of his party.
On every level, and I mean EVERY level, the Democrats have proven themselves to be untrustworthy pieces of shit who consistently serve only themselves and their maintaining power, and don't give a damn about people, not even the ones who voted for them. It is only when caught red-handed that they posture and virtue-signal about doing the right thing. If it wasn't already clear at every exposed stage of the process (just what we know SO FAR), they truly don't give a damn. They are unworthy of office, and they deserve the same end to their careers that Mussolini got in 1945. And by that I mean hung from the nearest streetlight, and ripped open like a pinata.
They are Bolsheviks who clearly plan that and worse for any who oppose their policies (Bernie Sanders supporters caught by Project Veritaas, who want to put Trump supporters in Gulags, Jennifer Rubin of the N Y Times who talks about wanting to "destroy the Trump movement so completely they can never come back"), a PBS lawyer who fantasizes on-camera (caught by Project Veritas) about using HHS to take away the children of Trump supporters, and raise them by HHS appointed people to indoctrinate them in the (leftist) "right way" of thinking. And endless other comments by Democrats in media and online who openly fantasize about attacking and killing Trump supporters or Republicans in general. These people are maniacs who should never have power, they want to destroy us, and the nation. It remains to be seen whether we are fools who will politely get on the trains as they take us off to Auschwitz.
I think we saw the true maniacs on Jan 6th. Now that Biden got his Covid relief passed (that is very popular btw) I suspect the economy is going to get much much better. Trump’s prediction of a depression if he wasn’t re-elected isn’t looking like it’s going to happen. With multiple vaccines out Covid could very well be dealt within Biden’s first year in office. What happens if Biden ends up trumping Trump’s economy?
I think we saw the true maniacs on Jan 6th. Now that Biden got his Covid relief passed (that is very popular btw) I suspect the economy is going to get much much better. Trump’s prediction of a depression if he wasn’t re-elected isn’t looking like it’s going to happen. With multiple vaccines out Covid could very well be dealt within Biden’s first year in office. What happens if Biden ends up trumping Trump’s economy?
You're so full of shit. The "true maniacs" were the BLM/Antifa infiltators who orchestrated much of the destruction, including the one death of an unarmed Ashli Babbitt BY POLICE firing on her, not by any phantom "right wing white supremacist violence". That lying Democrat/liberal-media narrative crumbles a little more every day. A Democrat controlled FBI is inflating arrests of mere trespassers at the Capitol that day, to try and keep that lying "violent insurrectionists" narrative alive. ACTUAL terrorists in BLM and Antifa, such as John Earle Sullivan and his crew, are out on bail and inciting further violence on Facebook and Twitter unimpeded. While trespassers who committed no violence are arrested and held in jail for weeks, despite they did nothing to justify the imprisonment. The "Quanon Shaman" guy, for example. And some Republican real estate agents and housewives.
DANGEROUS WHITE SUPREMACIST TERRORISTS!! No... not even close. But that is the narrative Democrats and their allies in law enforcement are trying to create.
Even the Oath Keepers guys were unarmed. As FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism Jill Sanborn said in Senate hearings, NOT ONE SINGLE GUN, no handgun, no AK-47s, nothing, were seized that day in or around the capitol. That's pretty tame for the "armed insurrection" the partisan liars among the Democrats and liberal media are trying to front. And there's only so far that even the 97% Democrat-donating FBI and DOJ are willing to stretch the truth to try and continue that lying narrative.
The worst of what was done on Jan 6th pales beside the vast damage to 275 cities nationwide by BLM and Antifa. And what they continue to do on a nightly basis to federal buildings in Portland and Seattle, where they have multiple times tried trap and to burn federal agents alive, just for protecting those buildings.
Or how BLM/Antifa laid seige to the White House in May 2020, to the point that Secret Service forced then-president Trump to evacuate to a safer location, the insurrectionists were so close to over-running the White House grounds. And 50 agents were injured in that TRUE insurrection on the president. And the level of destruction to the grounds visible the next day recorded by media cameras, as Trump walked through the destruction the next day on his way to visit the burned historic church just across the street. A war zone of destruction. As contrasted to the exaggerated Capitol building violence, where not one business was destroyed, not one job was lost, and all was swept up and back to normal just 3 hours after the rioting, when House and Senate members in joint session came back to conclude their business, and award a false electoral vote with a fraudulent victory.
Of those 275 cities looted burned in 2020, in just your own city of Minneapolis alone, FIVE MILES of businesses were looted and torched to the ground. Hundreds of businesses destroyed, thousands of jobs permanently lost. A police station burned to the ground. That alone, by far, exceeds the worst that occurred at the Capitol on Jan 6th. [i]THAT[b] is dangerous insurrection and hatred, M E M. Far beyond what you try to stretch events on Jan 6th to be.
By the way, there are huge outbreaks and new lockdowns across China now.
As Biden lets in thousands of Covid-infected illegal immigrants daily, with 10% of only the small ratio tested and let in to spread new infection across the U.S., as they re allowed to travel unscreened to all 50 states, it will be a miracle if we don't have a new explosion of infections across the U.S.
How can even a Democrat defend that kind of policy? It is the OPPOSITE of Biden's vow to "preserve protects and defend" the United States. He is letting 6,000 illegals a day enter this country, unscreened, un-tested, and set on their way to go anywhere in the U.S. Covid-infected and with other diseases such as tuberculosis, flesh-eating bacteria, HIV and other illnesses. Criminals, drug cartel members, MS-13 gang members, child rapists, human traffickers, identity theives. Even illegals caught with gang tattoos are being set loose in this country. 6,000 illegals a day, times 365 days, is another 2 million illegals entering our country over the next year. And that's assuming the number crossing doesn't rise even higher.
The only hope of preventing another huge outbreak of Covid-19 is the vaccine immunization Trump put in place before he left office. Certainly, the new Biden administration doesn't give a damn about the health or safety of U.S. citizens.
By the way, there are huge outbreaks and new lockdowns across China now.
As Biden lets in thousands of Covid-infected illegal immigrants daily, with 10% of only the small ratio tested and let in to spread new infection across the U.S., as they re allowed to travel unscreened to all 50 states, it will be a miracle if we don't have a new explosion of infections across the U.S.
How can even a Democrat defend that kind of policy? It is the OPPOSITE of Biden's vow to "preserve protects and defend" the United States. He is letting 6,000 illegals a day enter this country, unscreened, un-tested, and set on their way to go anywhere in the U.S. Covid-infected and with other diseases such as tuberculosis, flesh-eating bacteria, HIV and other illnesses. Criminals, drug cartel members, MS-13 gang members, child rapistsMatt Gaetz, human traffickersMatt Gaetz, identity theives. Even illegals caught with gang tattoos are being set loose in this country. 6,000 illegals a day, times 365 days, is another 2 million illegals entering our country over the next year. And that's assuming the number crossing doesn't rise even higher.
The only hope of preventing another huge outbreak of Covid-19 is the vaccine immunization Trump put in place before he left office. Certainly, the new Biden administration doesn't give a damn about the health or safety of U.S. citizens.
Covid-infected and with other diseases such as tuberculosis, flesh-eating bacteria, HIV and other illnesses. Criminals, drug cartel members, MS-13 gang members, child rapistsMatt Gaetz, human traffickersMatt Gaetz, identity theives. Even illegals caught with gang tattoos are being set loose in this country. 6,000 illegals a day, times 365 days, is another 2 million illegals entering our country over the next year. And that's assuming the number crossing doesn't rise even higher.
Originally Posted by Iggy
Fixed that for you!
Correcting my words to an unproven factless lie of fictional crimes alleged to Gaetz is not "fixing".
I already addressed the allegations against Matt Gaetz in another post. The FBI leak of it manifests the 97% Democrat-partisan bias within DOJ/FBI. There are no charges against Gaetz, and it was leaked from FBI while they are investigating if there is any substance whatsoever to the allegation that Rep. Gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17 year old girl. It is highly unprofessional of the FBI to leak this, particularly when there is no confirmation or case at this point. It is clearly a manufactured scandal, intended by Democrat partisans in the FBI to benefit the Democrat party and hurt the Republicans, with Pelosi and other Democrats (based on nothing at this point) already calling for Gaetz to be removed from House committees. Even as Pelosi continues to do NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to punish or remove Chinese asset/spy Rep. Eric Swalwell from committees where he is exposed to our country's most top secret information. Or Sen Dianne Feinstein, or...
To say nothing of Joe Biden, who is paid for and owned by the Chinese Communist Party, through the over $200 million the CCP has funneled to "China Joe" through son Hunter Biden. And that's just the portion from China, let alone the payoffs the Bidens have received from Russia, Ukraine, Rumania....
And if you want to raise sexual allegations, the Bidens and many other Democrats are far more vulnerable on that front as well, to disciplinary action, to removal from power and to criminal prosecution. If, y'know, you had any interest in equal justice under the law. Which you clearly don't.
On the subject of Covid-19 at this point, I received the Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose on 4-14-2021, my brother and I went at the same time to get vaccinated. And my mother and father received the Moderna vaccine about a month prior to that.
Nationwide, about 30% of the U.S. population has been fully vaccinated at this point, and 42% have received the first of 2 doses. And all this was put in place while Trump was still president, Trump not only pushed forward rapid creation of the vaccine, but also arranged its mass production and distribution nationwide and set up funding and coordination with our military to distribute it rapidly nationwide.
Joe Biden received his first dose on Dec 21 2020, and his second dose on Jan 12 2021, before he was even inaugurated. And then incredibly, said Trump "left him with nothing", and took the credit for the nation's Covid-vaccination Trump clearly put in place well before Biden's inauguration. Biden has only bungled and slowed what Trump put in place. At last count, about 40 million doses went bad on the shelf because the Biden administration could not distribute and vsaccinate people before they went bad on the shelf.
And this has put us far ahead of the rest of the world. Germany and much of Europe is in the middle of yet another lockdown! I've seen for months (on OAN, no other channel) massive strikes by workers in Germany and other European countries, where they are unable to work and pay their bills, and would rather face the risk of Covid infection than further lockdowns, very similar to the strikes in the U.S. before the vaccine became available here. As is much of China, with new lockdowns across huge regions of their country, tens of millions of their citizens in major cities. India has its largest number of deaths, days where over 4,000 die in a single day, and they are forced to burn the bodies in huge bonfires. Brazil, Mexico... for much of the world, this is still peaking, not waning.
And we in the U.S. are very fortunate to have the vaccine that Trump championed and pushed forward at record pace. If Trump were president now, we would be ending the massive spending on Covid-releif, we would not have spent a further $2 trillion on a Covid bill a month ago (only less than 9% of it to ACTUAL Covid relief, the rest rewarded to Democrat-aligned corporations and other allies of the DNC), and would not still be paying further subsidies to keep people from going back to work. And Trump would not be pushing another $2 trillion for a "infrastructure bill", of which only 6% is actually being spent on roads, highways, bridges and other ACTUAL infrastructure, in a suicidal orgy of Weimar Republic level new deficit spending.
It’s nice having a leader that doesn’t lie about the pandemic. Trump spent his remaining time in office being a sore loser pos instead of being a leader.
How the US went from having one o...lobal leader in vaccinations under Biden “How the US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being a global leader in vaccinations under Biden Washington (CNN)For the last 100 days, President Joe Biden and his top advisers have mounted an urgent, wartime effort to get millions of coronavirus vaccines into the arms of Americans in order to beat back a pandemic that has upended the world for the better part of year.
The effort, described to CNN during in-depth interviews with three of the administration's top Covid advisers and two other White House officials, has allowed the US to go from having one of the worst Covid responses in the world to being a global leader in getting shots in arms. The interviews reveal how the Biden team inherited a pandemic at its zenith with a high demand for vaccines and little supply, along with no long-term plan to vaccinate millions of Americans. The President, at times impatient, pressed his advisers harder on ways to improve the federal government's response to the virus. Fully aware that success or failure in getting Americans vaccinated would make or break his presidency, Biden and his team set vaccination goals and jump started the federal response to meet them, deploying active-duty military and the Federal Emergency Management Agency to help with vaccinations, establishing a federal pharmacy program and funding community health centers, all to increase vaccine access. And the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan helped fund the vaccination effort too. According to the White House, there are now 70,000 sites around the country where people can get vaccines. ...”
It’s nice having a leader that doesn’t lie about the pandemic. Trump spent his remaining time in office being a sore loser pos instead of being a leader.
The notion that Biden doesn't lie about the pandemic, that Biden hasn't stolen credit for Trump's achievement creating and distributing a Covid vaccine in record time. Or that CNN is a reliable unbiased source.
And that the media doesn't swoon ridiculously over Biden, to the point that they shut down their "factcheck" wing, that they CLEARLY don't subject Biden and other Democrats to the same scrutiny they gave the Trump administration. It's scary how little scrutiny they are giving to the boldfaced lies and Bolshevik power grabs coming out of the Biden administration.
Even when the fat piece of shit got vaccinated, he did it quietly. A lot of vaccine hesitancy is breaking along party lines and he couldn’t even do a very basic psa thing like that.
Even when the fat piece of shit got vaccinated, he did it quietly. A lot of vaccine hesitancy is breaking along party lines and he couldn’t even do a very basic psa thing like that.
Your unhinged personal vindictiveness toward Trump on full display.
Trump and other Republicans just got vaccinated, and encouraged others to. Unlike Democrats who made a self-congratulating virtue-signalling show of getting their immunization shots. Kamala Harris' comments when vaccinated in particular made me want to throw up, she was so fake. She undermined and badmouthed the "Trump vaccine" when Trump was president, then flipped and did a total 180, and couldn't get her immunization fast enough, while Trump was still president. Her and Biden's badmouthing of the vaccine made many people question whether they could trust the vaccine even after Biden was inaugurated.
And Democrats like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who is only about 30, who cut in front of elderly and front-line essential workers at far higher risk, so she could get the vaccine, that statistically for people her age, She DIDN'T EVEN NEED ! And again congratulated herself on her courage for getting the vaccine. Many criticized her for cutting the line, before many who needed the vaccine far more than she did.
Many among CNN and other arms of the Democrat propaganda machine are trying to make it a "breaking along party lines" distrust of the vaccine (that Democrats want the vaccine, and Republicans don't). But it doesn't break down that way. And never forget, when Trump was president, it was Democrats who tried to undermine the vaccine and say it wasn't safe. What I see from Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingraham or the physicians they interview is, while the vaccine is not FDA approved yet and there are some risks, taking the vaccine for people over 40 is far less risky than NOT taking it. The one exception to that is young people,particularly children, who are far less likely to die or become severely ill, and face more risk from the vaccine than from getting Covid-19. It makes no sense for children to get vaccinated, they are not at risk for either hospitalization or death, or of spreading Covid to others.
But Carlson and others say that since the Covid-19 vaccine is not FDA approved, people should have the option to not take it, and not be punished with an inability to travel, or have to show a "Covid pass" to travel or work. If everyone else is immunized and those who refuse vaccination get sick, who are they going to infect? The irony is, the Biden administration demands vaccination and masks to travel for U.S. citizens, but simultaneously lets in 6,000 illegals a day to enter this country, with no health exam, no Covid-testing, and even if infected are able to take planes or buses anywhere in the country to spread the virus. What's wrong with this picture?
Even when the fat piece of shit got vaccinated, he did it quietly. A lot of vaccine hesitancy is breaking along party lines and he couldn’t even do a very basic psa thing like that.
Your unhinged personal vindictiveness toward...
That you can start a post like this with absolutely no fucking awareness at all is the exact reason no one in they're right mind takes you seriously.
Even when the fat piece of shit got vaccinated, he did it quietly. A lot of vaccine hesitancy is breaking along party lines and he couldn’t even do a very basic psa thing like that.
Your unhinged personal vindictiveness toward...
That you can start a post like this with absolutely no fucking awareness at all is the exact reason no one in they're right mind takes you seriously.
What a happy life you must lead... why don't you go back to beating your wife?
Or maybe you're so whipped and impotent with her, that you need to vent your frustrations online, on someone like me you don't even know.
Trump had to be prodded publicly to do a very basic decent thing months after he got vaccinated and after it became evident that a big chunk of his base wasn’t getting vaccinated. A very basic fail in leadership.
Trump had to be prodded publicly to do a very basic decent thing months after he got vaccinated and after it became evident that a big chunk of his base wasn’t getting vaccinated. A very basic fail in leadership.
Trump created the vaccine ! It's the lying Democrats like Biden and Kamala Harris who for months through Nov-Dec 2020 said they didn't trust "a Trump vaccine" whose fearmongering made people reluctant to take it. Then they had to overcome the fearmongering they created, once inaugurated. If they'd lost the election, they'd probably still be bashing the "Trump vaccine" as unsafe.
If I recall, Biden got his first dose on Dec 21 2020, and his second on Jan 12 2021. If Trump didn't get the vaccine right away, I assume it had to do with his JUST GETTING OVER A COVID-19 INFECTION IN OCT 2020 ! If Trump was already infected and has antibodies, why does he need vaccination at all ?!? And he got vaccinated roughly the same time as Biden.
I saw Trump as doing it for symbolic reasons, for the nation, not because he needed it.
And the fact that many don't want the vaccine has to do with the fact that his voters (and even those who aren't) are independent thinkers who can look at the facts and decide for themselves if they want the vaccine at all. If I were 18 or 25 or 35, I might decide that the risk of me getting seriously ill is about my chances of getting hit by lightning, or less, and figure I don't need the vaccine, because even if infected, I'm likely to have a very minor case. And the vaccine is not FDA approved yet and has side effects that exceed the risk of just getting a normal infection (especially if you're a woman in her 30's). But since I'm 58, I figured I have statistically about a 12% chance of serious infection or dying of it, and chose to get the vaccine, where hopefully the vaccine will result in a minor case if I were to be infected or have any symptoms at all.
It's not as straight "Republicans don't want the vaccine, and Democrats do, TRUMP IS EVIL !!" as you try to make it out to be. I'm a fierce Trump supporter, and everyone I know is, and they all got vaccinated. There's leftist peace-love-and-granola hippies who don't want the vaccine. Some conservative and orthodox Jews who are Democrat voters who don't want the vaccine. It's not as strawman "us-and-them" as you try to make it out to be.
“ THE FACTS: Not so much. Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine and treatments for the disease sweeping the country.
In fact, Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.
Pfizer opted not to join Operation Warp Speed initially but is following the same general requirements for the vaccine’s development as competitors who received government research money. The company says it has risked $2 billion of its own money on vaccine development and won’t get anything from Washington unless the effort is successful.
“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”
However, Pfizer did sign an agreement with the U.S. government in July worth $1.95 billion — if the vaccine pans out and is cleared by the FDA — to supply 100 million doses. That guarantees Pfizer a U.S. market, an important incentive.
The supply side of Operation Warp Speed also allows Pfizer logistical help, although the company will directly ship its own vaccine, while the government will control shipping of other COVID-19 vaccines.”
I lived through Trumpers telling me it’s a hoax and all the crazy sad failure of real leadership that included endless boasting, hosting super spreader events and political attacks by that pos. Hell won’t be hot enough when that fat glob finally keels over.
I lived through Trumpers telling me it’s a hoax and all the crazy sad failure of real leadership that included endless boasting, hosting super spreader events and political attacks by that pos. Hell won’t be hot enough when that fat glob finally keels over.
“ THE FACTS: Not so much. Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine and treatments for the disease sweeping the country.
In fact, Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.
Pfizer opted not to join Operation Warp Speed initially but is following the same general requirements for the vaccine’s development as competitors who received government research money. The company says it has risked $2 billion of its own money on vaccine development and won’t get anything from Washington unless the effort is successful.
“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”
However, Pfizer did sign an agreement with the U.S. government in July worth $1.95 billion — if the vaccine pans out and is cleared by the FDA — to supply 100 million doses. That guarantees Pfizer a U.S. market, an important incentive.
The supply side of Operation Warp Speed also allows Pfizer logistical help, although the company will directly ship its own vaccine, while the government will control shipping of other COVID-19 vaccines.”
I lived through Trumpers telling me it’s a hoax and all the crazy sad failure of real leadership that included endless boasting, hosting super spreader events and political attacks by that pos. Hell won’t be hot enough when that fat glob finally keels over.
That's all liberal spin, the "fact-check", Politifact and Snopes sites are all hyper-partisan Left sites, propaganda that 75% favors the Democrats, under a cloak of pseudo-objectivity. And only 25% of the time factchecks Democrats, to keep up the slightest appearance of balaance and neutrality.
Trump was laughed at and mocked by the liberal media, even Anthony Fauci, saying it was impossible to develop a vaccine in one year. No one on the Democrat side even envisioned a vaccine possible in that time, 2 or 3 years at best. But Trump pushed them and got it done in an unprecedented NINE MONTHS ! Trump may not have handed Pfizer billions in grants, but he kept up the administrative pressure that got it done. And even before it was done, Trump arranged in advance for the production and distribution, and organized the military to aid in distribution, so the pipeline was prepared months before it was completed, to get it out to people even faster.
Biden and his staff didn't do any of that, he just walked in the first day and stole credit for what was already set up. As I said, Biden got his first vaccine dose Dec 21 2020, and his second on Jan 12 2021, *WELL* before he was inaugurated. Then after inauguration on Jan 20th, Biden claimed he did it all, and Trump left him with nothing! Oh, really, when did you get vaccinated, Joe? Uh, well....
It’s a fact Pfizer was conducting human trials on the vaccine over a month before the orange turd announced Operation Warp Speed. That isn’t spin but a matter of public record. You go the Orwellian route here as usual when the facts are contrary to Trump revisionism.
It’s a fact Pfizer was conducting human trials on the vaccine over a month before the orange turd announced Operation Warp Speed. That isn’t spin but a matter of public record. You go the Orwellian route here as usual when the facts are contrary to Trump revisionism.
It's a fact that Fauci and other leaders of both the CDC and these pharmaceutical companies said producing a vaccine in a year or less was a virtual impossibility (they estimated 2 to 3 years, at best), and clearly it was Trump's pressure on them that made it happen. It;s a fact that Trump, months in advance of the vaccine's availability (a week after the Nov 3 2020 election, with clear delay for political reasons, to not bolster Trump), arranged in advance the vaccine's production and distribution, in partnership between the CDC, private-sector pharmaceutical companies, and the U.S. military to expedite mass availability of the vaccine nationwide as soon as possible. And that all these logistics were put in place well before Biden was inaugurated on Jan 20th. That Biden himself received his two vaccines on Dec 21st and Jan 12th. You nitpick about a minor detail of the massive effort, attempting to steal credit from Trump, to try and give that credit to someone else, ANYONE else. It was Trump who pushed the urgency, no one else. Pharmaceutical companies and CDC and NIH resisted that urgency.
Without Trump as president, we would have been Italy, France and Spain, who suffered enormous unnecessary Covid-death casualties, and had to "triage" overwhelmed medical resources. Because of Trump, the U.S. was spared from that.
Trump saved us from that, both with his initial bans on travel from China and Europe, and in expediting creation and distribution of the vaccine. With incompetent Biden as president, even if the vaccine had been invented in the same timeframe, he would not have had the foresight to organize its rapid distribution, and the vaccine would not have been available for another 6 months or a year. I again refer you to Biden chief of staff Ron Klain's admission of their utter helplessness during the Swine Flu pandemic. You're seeing similar examples of thie incometence in the skyrocketing price of gas, the extension of money to workers preventing them from going to work EVEN AFTER the Covid-19 crisis has passed, giving billions to Iran that were immediately used to fire roughly 5,000 missiles into Israel and sparking another war, and the record waves of illegals overwhelming our border. On every front, Biden's incompetence is on full display.
You making hypothetical claims as fact is about as factual as your previous untrue claim that “Trump created the vaccine”. Trump’s “leadership” on the pandemic made Joe Biden President by over 7 million votes plus an electoral landslide (using Trump definition when he lost the popular vote the first time but won electorally).
You making hypothetical claims as fact is about as factual as your previous untrue claim that “Trump created the vaccine”. Trump’s “leadership” on the pandemic made Joe Biden President by over 7 million votes plus an electoral landslide (using Trump definition when he lost the popular vote the first time but won electorally).
What Ron Klain said on video is fact. That Obama and Biden (and Klain) were completely unprepared and unable to do anything to fight Swine Flu or push for a vaccine, is a fact.
That Trump pushed for a vaccine, even overcoming the doubts and incompetence of his own CDC (who infected their own lab, delaying by many months creation of a Covid-19 test kit, that when they finally were honest with Trump, Trump went to the private sector to have THEM create a test kit, something Trump could have done sooner if Fauci and Redfield had informed him sooner). That Trump projected a vaccine in 1 year and by pushing got it done in 9 months, that Trump set up manufacturing and distribution of the vaccine even before the vaccine was created, ARE ALL FACTS.
The fact that every audit test of Dominion voting systems in multiple states has demonstrated those machines consistently block out Republican votes and register about 3% or more of Trump votes as Biden votes, IS A FACT. And as more audits are done, they further support and confirm these facts.
Col. Phil Waldron, an expert in cyber warfare and retired, a computer security expert and consultant, along with many other cyber fraud experts, corporate fraud experts, IT company owners, campaign volunteers, scientists, statisticians, mathematics and probability experts, ALL think Biden's win against Trump followed irregular and impossible mathematical patterns, and that consistently across every state and county 3% of votes were flipped from Trump to Biden. That it was Trump who got 80 million votes, before the vote was rigged. The Antrim County audit repeatedly showed that, as did another audit this week in Pennsylvania. That up to 10:30 PM on election night, Trump was winning in all the 7 contested states in a landslide. Then the vote counting was stopped, and improbably, almost every vote after went to Biden. In Atlanta and Detroit the vote-rigging by Democrat campaign workers that resulted in an improbable spike in votes for Biden was VIDEOTAPED ! Judges who have ruled in multiple states to go ahead with audits, and not ruled it unlawful, or baseless "conspiracy theory" (as is the Democrat lying narrative) are a fact.
Those are the facts. Facts suppressed by the FBI and DOJ who refuse to investigate, an FBI who instead intimidates witnesses of election fraud, facts suppressed by Facebook, Twitter, Google and other social media, facts suppressed by the mainstream "Biden 2020!!" media, facts suppressed by Democrat officials like Hobbs and the Maricopa County election committee (with the help of corrupt RINO election board members), suppressed facts, but still the facts nonetheless. It's getting harder for your side to suppress the truth. Once Arizona's election audit exposes the level of fraud there, the pressure will be on for all other contested states to do similar audits, and it's already begun in Atlanta and elsewhere. If the Democrats were not so guilty of election fraud, they would not be fighting like hell to prevent election audits. That's what the votes are legally stored for 2 years to allow for!
Name another election where it took WEEKS to even give the vote-count after a presidential election. I'm 58, and every other election I've seen, the vote totals were complete by 6AM the next morning. Never has the vote-counting been stopped in any state overnight, let alone SIMULTANEOUSLY STOPPED IN SEVEN STATES! Even North Carolina, that always had a clear margin for Trump, took EIGHT DAYS to post their complete count of the votes. I think obviously, so Democrat officials could keep it in reserve if further votes and another state needed to be rigged in favor of Biden. Intimidation of vote observers in all 7 states, clear malice and injection of fraudulent ballots in all 7 states. Illegal immigrant voters, double-voters, under-age voters, people voting in 2 states, people voting under fake names with fake addresses, tens of thousands of dead people voting in multiple states, every kind of election fraud imaginable. And votes that would have been thrown out in previous elections, fraudulent votes that exceeded Biden's "victory margin" by 8 to 40 times in each contested state.
I still find Peter Navarro's written report to be the easiest to read and to present the overwhelming evidence in a format where you can absorb it at your own pace:
In addition to many other reports I've posted here from OAN, and many more I haven't.
Plus the state congressional and senate hearings in each state I've previously linked. Plus Mike Lindell's "Absolute Proof" and other specials, that are more an overview and an introduction to the mountain of evidence that has come out since Nov 3rd. All available and newsworthy, but scrubbed from the mainstream media and social media. It doesn't fit their narrative.
You won't listen to anything unless it comes from places like OAN and the My Pillow Guy. Why would I fucking bother?
You're such a fucking liar. As my cited links here going back almost 20 years demonstrate, I've quoted the Washington Times, Washington Post, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and when they occasionally report the truth, New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, and even CNN or Vox, among many others.
Many of the stories on OAN cite facts previously reported by CNN, Washington Post, Politico and other liberal media, and cite how (with the specific example of Dominion voting machines and election fraud) as recently as Dec 2019 reported the actual facts of easily hack-able voting machines, but now pretend that evidence doesn't exist, and that it's just "conspiracy theory" to cite that evidence, that THEY THEMSELVES reported. They, and you, deny their own previously reported FACTS.
You have no point, Iggy, you're just a shithead troll here to antagonize, with no actual point beyond that. You're still a jerk, just like always.
After 10 years of you posting here, I still have no idea what your politics are, what you stand for or believe in. For 10 years here, you stand for nothing, you just troll on others with endless personal insults. And lately you've deposited yourself up my rectal cavity, for reasons that have to do with your own psychological dysfunction and apoplectic need to vent your rage on someone, me, an anonymous online user, rather than anything I've said.
For 50 years, given the categories of "very conservative", "conservative", "neutral", "liberal" or "very liberal", reporters have SELF-IDENTIFIED as "liberal" or "very liberal" consistently at a ratio of 80%, for over 50 years. And even higher since Obam's 2008 campaign, where they abandoned all pretense of objectivity, and became openly liberal/Democrat activists. Becoming even less objective and openly activist in the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011 or so, some of whom reporters were fired for their open bias.
See the book BIAS by Bernard Goldberg, a 30-year self-identified liberal journalist for CBS, who was ostracized from CBS for simply writing a Wall Street Journal editorial opening up the mere question of liberal bias.
See the book LEFT TURN by Tim Groseclose where he also quantifies liberal bias in the media, and despite that he was a tenured college professor when he wrote the book, he too was ostracized and harassed to the point that he left the university (academic bias being if anything worse than liberal media bias.) Groseclose wrote that the Washington D.C. based liberal media voted in 2008 for Obama at an incredible ratio of 93%, which he points out is a more dense ratio than even the most leftist/Democrat regions of the country in the Boston, MA region, and the Berkeley, CA regions of the country.
And then there's the Harvard study that shows the media reaching 93% anti-Trump coverage: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/05/21/harvard_study_cnn_nbc_trump_coverage_93_negative_410848.html#!
And here's Greg Gutfeld iciting in the last month the selective coverage ignoring Biden's failures, and obsessing over Liz Cheney's removal from leadership in the Republican party (i.e., "hey, look at this shiny object over here!" rather than reporting nagative facts about Biden), giving 5 times as much coverage to Liz Cheney's removal, rather than the suicidal destruction of the Untied States on multiple fronts resulting from Biden's policies, such as: - Biden's resultant catastrophic inflation; - Biden wastefully subsidizing millions of workers that is stalling the economic recovery with only 250,000 new jobs rather than the expected 1,000,000 new jobs; - 6 trillion in new debt pushed for by Biden; - and 171,000-plus illegals and criminals a month flooding across our borders and being secretly moved by Biden untracked and undisclosed to local authorities to every city in America. And the tens of thousands of rapes, murders, deaths, drug trafficking, human trafficking and other crimes, against both illegals and aagainst U.S citizenss that enables.
Chinese scientists have been preparing for a Third World War fought with biological and genetic weapons including coronavirus for the last six years, according to a document obtained by US investigators. The bombshell paper, accessed by the US State Department, insists they will be 'the core weapon for victory' in such a conflict, even outlining the perfect conditions to release a bioweapon, and documenting the impact it would have on 'the enemy's medical system'.
This latest evidence that Beijing considered the military potential of SARS coronaviruses from as early as 2015 has also raised fresh fears over the cause of Covid-19, with some officials still believing the virus could have escaped from a Chinese lab. The dossier by People's Liberation Army scientists and health officials, details of which were reported in The Australian, examined the manipulation of diseases to make weapons 'in a way never seen before'. Senior government figures say it 'raises major concerns' over the intentions of those close to Chinese President Xi Jinping amid growing fears about the country's lack of regulation over its activity in laboratories.
The authors of the document insist that a third world war 'will be biological', unlike the first two wars which were described as chemical and nuclear respectively. Referencing research which suggested the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan forced them to surrender, and bringing about the end of WWII, they claim bioweapons will be 'the core weapon for victory' in a third world war.
The document also outlines the ideal conditions to release a bioweapon and cause maximum damage. The scientists say such attacks should not be carried out in the middle of a clear day, as intense sunlight can damage the pathogens, while rain or snow can affect the aerosol particles.
Instead, it should be released at night, or at dawn, dusk, or under cloudy weather, with 'a stable wind direction...so that the aerosol can float into the target area'. Meanwhile, the research also notes thatsuch an attack would result in a surge of patients requiring hospital treatment, which then 'could cause the enemy's medical system to collapse'.
Other concerns include China's 'Gain of Function' research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology - near where the first Covid outbreak was discovered - at which virologists are creating new viruses said to be more transmissible and more lethal. MP Tom Tugendhat, chairman of the foreign affairs committee, said: 'This document raises major concerns about the ambitions of some of those who advise the top party leadership. Even under the tightest controls these weapons are dangerous.'
Chemical weapons expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said: 'China has thwarted all attempts to regulate and police its laboratories where such experimentation may have taken place.' The revelation from the book What Really Happened in Wuhan was reported yesterday.
The document, New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, says: 'Following developments in other scientific fields, there have been major advances in the delivery of biological agents. 'For example, the new-found ability to freeze-dry micro-organisms has made it possible to store biological agents and aerosolise them during attacks.'
It has 18 authors who were working at 'high-risk' labs, analysts say. Australian Strategic Policy Institute executive director Peter Jennings also raised concerns over China's biological research into coronaviruses potentially being weaponised in future.
'There is no clear distinction for research capability because whether it's used offensively or defensively is not a decision these scientists would take,' he said. 'If you are building skills ostensibly to protect your military from a biological attack, you're at the same time giving your military a capacity to use these weapons offensively. You can't separate the two.'
Intelligence agencies suspect Covid-19 may be the result of an inadvertent Wuhan lab leak. But as yet there is no evidence to suggest it was intentionally released. Only this week, Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro appeared to strongly criticise China by accusing it of creating Covid to spark a chemical 'warfare.'
The comments were made during a press conference on Wednesday as the hardline leader sought to further distance himself from the growing attacks over his domestic handling of a pandemic that has produced the second-highest death toll in the world. 'It's a new virus. Nobody knows whether it was born in a laboratory or because a human ate some animal they shouldn't have,' Bolsonaro said.
'But it is there. The military knows what chemical, bacteriological and radiological warfare. Are we not facing a new war? Which country has grown its GDP the most? I will not tell you.' While Bolsonaro did not name China in his speech, data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development showed that China was the only G20 member whose GDP showed a growth during the pandemic in 2020, expanding by 2.3%.
And the World Health Organization chief said as recently as March that all theories on the origins of Covid-19 remained open after reading the WHO-China study – despite the claim the report dismissed the notion that the virus escaped from a lab as 'extremely unlikely'. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said all of the hypotheses are 'on the table' and require further investigation after reading the report from the international experts' mission to Wuhan. But his comments came just hours after it emerged the report dismissed the lab leak theory and said the transmission of the virus from bats to humans through another animal is the most likely scenario.
The report's release was repeatedly delayed, raising questions about whether the Chinese side was trying to skew the conclusions to prevent blame for the pandemic falling on China.
Critics including ex-President Trump have accused the WHO of parroting Chinese propaganda on the virus since the outbreak was first announced to the world. The comments by Dr Tedros came after New York Republican Representative Lee Zeldin slammed China for 'covering up to the world the pandemic's origins', while the WHO 'has played along time and time again'.
Meanwhile, Dr Anthony Fauci, President Biden's chief medical adviser, revealed he has 'concerns' over the WHO's controversial fact-finding mission. Repeated delays in the report's release raised questions about whether the Chinese side was trying to skew its conclusions.
'We've got real concerns about the methodology and the process that went into that report, including the fact that the government in Beijing apparently helped to write it,' U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a recent CNN interview. China rejected that criticism and accused the US of 'exerting political pressure' on the fact-finding mission experts.
'The US has been speaking out on the report. By doing this, isn't the U.S. trying to exert political pressure on the members of the WHO expert group?' asked Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian.
Scientists studying bat diseases at China's maximum-security laboratory in Wuhan were engaged in a massive project to investigate animal viruses alongside leading military officials – despite their denials of any such links.
Documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveal that a nationwide scheme, directed by a leading state body, was launched nine years ago to discover new viruses and detect the 'dark matter' of biology involved in spreading diseases.
One leading Chinese scientist, who published the first genetic sequence of the Covid-19 virus in January last year, found 143 new diseases in the first three years of the project alone. The fact that such a virus-detection project is led by both civilian and military scientists appears to confirm incendiary claims from the United States alleging collaboration between the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and the country's 2.1 million-strong armed forces.
The scheme's five team leaders include Shi Zhengli, the WIV virologist nicknamed 'Bat Woman' for her trips to find samples in caves, and Cao Wuchun, a senior army officer and government adviser on bioterrorism.
Prof Shi denied the US allegations last month, saying: 'I don't know of any military work at the WIV. That info is incorrect.'
Yet Colonel Cao is listed on project reports as a researcher from the Academy of Military Medical Sciences of the People's Liberation Army, works closely with other military scientists and is director of the Military Biosafety Expert Committee. Cao, an epidemiologist who studied at Cambridge University, even sits on the Wuhan Institute of Virology's advisory board. He was second-in-command of the military team sent into the city under Major General Chen Wei, the country's top biodefence expert, to respond to the new virus and develop a vaccine.
The US State Department also raised concerns over risky 'gain of function' experiments to manipulate coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab and suggested researchers fell sick with Covid-like symptoms weeks before the outbreak emerged more widely in the Chinese city. Last month, Britain, the US and 12 other countries criticised Beijing for refusing to share key data and samples after a joint World Health Organisation and Chinese study into the pandemic's origins dismissed a lab leak as 'extremely unlikely'.
Filippa Lentzos, a biosecurity expert at King's College London, said the latest disclosures fitted 'the pattern of inconsistencies' coming from Beijing.
'They are still not being transparent with us,' she said. 'We have no hard data on the pandemic origins, whether it was a natural spill-over from animals or some kind of accidental research-related leak, yet we're unable to get straight answers and that simply does not inspire confidence.'
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I often see things reported in the British press, that are selectively ignored by media in the U.S., that apparently doesn't fit their narrative.
CHINA ADVISED TO "BOMB AUSTRALIAN SOIL" A leading voice in Communist China has advised Beijing to bomb Australia and bring “disaster” should Canberra support US military action.
Australia is the one nation outside the U.S. that vigorously pushed China to fully disclose records about the outbreak of Covid-19 in China, before it spread tot he rest of the world. Which China and the China-subservient WHO have not done, and have strongly resisted. China has for about a year cut off a lot of wine and other Australian products they previously purchased, to punish and intimidate Australia for even raising the subject.
That's in addition to recent threats by China to Nepal, India, Cambodia, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Biden: "China is not an enemy, they're a rival. Helping China grow is helping ourselves." -May 2, 2019 or Biden: "China is going to eat our lunch?!? . C'mon Man! They're not bad folks, folks..." - May 7, 2019
Trump was really licking China’s balls there! And our trade deficit got larger.
And rather than deal with the articles and issues I raised, M E M just goes right back into anti-Trump spin propaganda. As I said the last dozen times you fronted this narrative, Trump was exerting diplomacy with China during the worst months of the crisis, where we were completely dependent on China for PPE, rubbing alcohol, and over 90% of our prescription drugs, that China had openly threatened to cut off supplies and engulf the U.S. in "a mighty sea of coronavirus".
You dig to selectively find 15 times Trump made diplomatic friendly remarks to China, while Trump gave them nothing, there are hundreds of speeches and press conferences where Trump railed on China as a threat, and rightly blamed them for deliberately unleashing the virus they could have contained, but willfully let flights out of China that spread it to every nation on earth.
And Joe Biden (as Hunter Biden's laptop confirms) is the most treasonous and compromised president who ever held the White House. Hunter Biden (as revealed just yesterday by Judicial Watch) took over 400 flights on Air Force Two into China. It's well known that China gave Hunter $1.5 billion in Chinese funds to invest, despite Hunter being a crack-smoking drug addict, with a second addiction to strippers and hookers, that no one would want to hire, except to have leverage over a then vice president and future president. Hunter Biden is due for a payout of 10% of the profit on that investment, an estimated $200 million dollars, not to even mention the millions he grifted from a Burisma oil company board position he had in Ukraine, and another $3.5 million paid to him by the Moscow mayor's wife (a close personal friend of Vladimir Putin). "Russia collusion", anyone?
You try to smear Trump for a few frivolous diplomatic remarks he made to China during a crisis, and not only ignore his overwhelming criticism of China, but you ALSO ignore the incredible corruption of your own party. Hillary Clinton and the DNC were also part of that $2 million given directly to Russian state intelligence officials, in assembling the salacious and unreliable "Russia Dossier" through the Pekins-Coie law firm, Fusion GPS, and disgraced agent Christopher Steele.
Through selective deception, you try to portray Trump as a treasonous criminal. But on examination, the evidence clearly proves it is the entire Democrat leadership who TRULY ARE the treasonous criminals, not just suggested or implied, but PROVEN, with overwhelming evidence. And if the FBI and DOJ were not 97% compromised as well by Democrat-Bolsheviks, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, their staffs, and even quite a bit of the leadership of the FBI and DOJ, would be prosecuted and put in jail.
No need to try to smear Trump. All I need to do is quote him and remind you that the trade deficit soared under Trump. It’s good to have grown ups back in power again after Trump’s failure. My guess is Biden will get us back to competing with China again in alternative energy and have smaller trade deficits than Trump had. And you will hate Biden for it all the more.
No need to try to smear Trump. All I need to do is quote him and remind you that the trade deficit soared under Trump. It’s good to have grown ups back in power again after Trump’s failure. My guess is Biden will get us back to competing with China again in alternative energy and have smaller trade deficits than Trump had. And you will hate Biden for it all the more.
I've already argued at least 100 times how your arguments are disinformation, easily disproven by the actual facts.
Your Biden administration "grown ups" are committing national suicide on every front.
In just 4 months, gas that was under $2 dollars is now approaching 4 dollars, as a DIRECT result of Biden's insane policy. Biden is scrapping U.S. and Canada pipelines, and enabling a Russian pipeline that will enrich Russia and allow them to wage war again.
Same thing with Biden giving billions to Iran and the Palestinians. We're seeing it explode already, into Biden-funded islamic terrorism.
Likewise Biden's weakness emboldening China, so that China is now running wild against Hong Kong, Taiwan, Nepal, India, the Philippines and Australia, in China's new eagerness for war.
Likewise the collapsing U.S. economy, destroying the recovery that Trump had positioned the nation for. Biden unnecessarily subsidizing workers, so they won't go back to work until September, for no logical reason. Biden has laid out 6 trillion in new spending in just his first 100 days. And wants to spend 7 trillion more. Collapse of the dollar and hyperinflation.
6,000 illegal immigrants pouring across the border every day. 171,000 in March. 178,000 in April. And each of those months, Border Patrol estimates another 42,000 who got away completely unprocessed: drug cartel members, human traffickers, gang members, murderers, rapists, drunk drivers, terrorists, to prey on Americans. To overwhelm police, schools, welfare programs, and take jobs from millions of unemployed Americans who desperately need new jobs, post-pandemic.
Biden is destroying this country on every front. While you give undue praise to our corrupt Manchurian Candidate president, that Biden clearly hasn't earned.
CHINA ADVISED TO "BOMB AUSTRALIAN SOIL" A leading voice in Communist China has advised Beijing to bomb Australia and bring “disaster” should Canberra support US military action.
Australia is the one nation outside the U.S. that vigorously pushed China to fully disclose records about the outbreak of Covid-19 in China, before it spread tot he rest of the world. Which China and the China-subservient WHO have not done, and have strongly resisted. China has for about a year cut off a lot of wine and other Australian products they previously purchased, to punish and intimidate Australia for even raising the subject.
That's in addition to recent threats by China to Nepal, India, Cambodia, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Biden: "China is not an enemy, they're a rival. Helping China grow is helping ourselves." -May 2, 2019 or Biden: "China is going to eat our lunch?!? . C'mon Man! They're not bad folks, folks..." - May 7, 2019
Even 2 years ago, pre-Covid-19 pandemic, we knew China was a threat, and that Biden was on the take and completely compromised regarding China.
Yeah, there's some palpable tension between Australia and China now. Our ham-fisted leader Scott Morrison said around a year ago there should be a "weapons inspector" type investigation into the origins of the virus. Xi unsurprisingly took offence. Xi is a complete megalomaniac, a modern Hitler, but our Prime Minister should have chosen his words more wisely. There has been a UN inspection team go into Wuhan, so it was possible to frame the idea without suggesting Xi was on par with Saddam Hussein. I think he's much worse than Saddam Hussein, but diplomatic language from our Prime Minister would have helped.
Suddenly, and as a consequence, Australian meat exports, fishing exports, coal exports, wine exports, barley and other grain exports were hammered by China with fake allegations of health issues in the produce, monster tariffs on the wine, over a hundred coal carriers sitting off the coats of China unable to unload, and so on. Chinese students are now being actively discouraged from attending Australian universities, which was a huge source of income to the tertiary sector.
Australia has now found other markets for its produce, and the only other thing for China to hit is iron ore. China won't do that. Australian iron ore is much better than other sources, and their construction industry would halt if that happened - goodbye urbanisation. The iron ore price has doubled over the past few months, and mining royalties from China fill the Australian government's coffers.
China has now run out of targets within the Australian economy to smack, and that has made Australia much more assertive on issues such as Taiwan, the Uighur concentration camps, and Hong Kong. It plays out well with voters, too, many of whom are angry with China for harming small businesses and jobs. Unfortunately, it has also led to a rise in racism. Australia is very multicultural and there is a very large Asian community here. They've become targets for the shittier elements of our society. That of course is something China has made a fuss out of in its domestic media.
Australia has always backed the US in its wars, ranging from the Vietnam War, to the invasions of Iraq, to the 20 years in Afghanistan. Australia is only one of two American allies (the other being Japan) that gets access to top-of-the-line American weaponry (with the exception of Raptors). Also, we are a party to the ANZUS Treaty, in which an act of aggression against one is an act of aggression against all (the regional equivalent of the NATO Treaty). There would be very compelling reasons for Australia to join the US in backing Taiwan against a mainland invasion.
Now, i should note that I don't think a mainland invasion of Taiwan is likely. Setting aside US force projection, Taiwan isn't exactly defenceless. It has hypersonic missiles. The minute PLA infantry landed on the beaches, that's the minute hypersonic bombs are levelled at naval yards and air force bases.
Would China bomb Australia if Australia backed Taiwan and the US? Well, yes, probably. I can't see a scenario where a major city is bombed, but the US Marines have a base in Darwin which i guess is just as much of a target as the US military bases in Okinawa. The Australian Submarine Squadron's naval base is on an island about 50 kilometres from where I am right now so I guess that's a target for precision bombing. Pine Gap is a highly classified US surveillance installation in the middle of nowhere so that's probably a target. But do I think Sydney is going to get rained with laser guided missiles or intercontinental ballistic missiles? That would be a strike dictated by political considerations not military ones. Such an attack would drag the US into the fray because of the operation of the ANZUS Treaty.
There has been a UN inspection team go into Wuhan, so it was possible to frame the idea without suggesting Xi was on par with Saddam Hussein. I think he's much worse than Saddam Hussein, but diplomatic language from our Prime Minister would have helped.
No argument about the danger China under Xi brings, not just to Australia, but to the entire world. Xi's global domination plans by 2049, and Xi's recent open threats are stated, not implied.
Regarding a WHO inspection of Wuhan, and the notion that WHO have any interest in rooting out the origins of Covid-19 that would expose China, that is a complete joke. China completely owns the World Health Organization, so it's like asking the wolf to inspect what happened to the missing hen-house chickens. WHO can be counted on to downplay or completely ignore any Chinese wrongdoing.
BOTTOM LINE: China suspended all internal flights between the Wuhan region and the rest of China, while simultaneously allowing all flights out of Wuhan to every other nation on earth. Assuring that the Virus would spread to every nation, OUTSIDE of China. Further, the WHO lyingly certified that these flights out of China were "safe". As I recall, the first nations not to believe this and suspend flights from China were Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Australia, and the United States.
WHO has the exact same leadership they had before the Covid-19 pandemic began. Unless WHO are forced to re-structure and lose their China-subservient leadership, no vital new information will be found by WHO. And terrifyingly, both WHO and China are positioned to do the same thing again with the next (perhaps deliberate and weaponized) outbreak of SARS, MERS, Avian/Bird Flu, Swine Flu or Covid-19.
There is much speculation among Gordon Chang, K.T. McFarland, Fred Fleitz, Jim Hanson and national security conservatives in the U.S. (certainly not among the China-paid-for and corrupt Biden administration and Democrat/Left or liberal media) that Covid-19 was a test run for a germ warfare attack on the U.S. and the rest of the world. That China is likely developing a lethal strain, and will develop it and immunize their own population before unleashing it on the rest of the world, so devastating that China will remain the only solvent government left on Earth, and therefore able to seize global dominance of what's left.
K.T. McFarland said that China is pursuing a three-branch undeclared war on the United States:
1) Germ warfare as I described above.
2) Chinese funding and promoting the Left's propaganda to politically divide and de-stabilize the U.S., by funding Black Lives Matter and Antifa, by promoting and feeding the talking points that the U.S. is an inherently and historically racist country since it's beginning (BLM propaganda, and the "1619 Project"), and further pushing of these talking points through its funding and CCP propaganda insert sections in U.S. newspapers and magazines that leftist media are all too eager to publish. And China's funding of movies and television that promote divisive leftist ideology. And punishing any negative portrayal of China in movies and television (See the Wikipedia listing for the pressure and censorship around the 1995 Richard Gere movie Red Corner, or the 2012 re-make version of Red Dawn, or elements China leveraged to have removed from China portrayals in recent Disney movies.) And China''s web of Confucius institutes across U.S. universities promoting Chinese culture and propaganda. China using its power over these media outlets, as well and Facebook, Twitter, Google and other social media, China's control of sports teams and athletes earning huge money in China (i.e., John Cena's recent grovelling apology, Lebron James' groveling apology) , and to socially divide and destroy the U.S. (and probably similarly Europe and Australia as well) from within.
3) China's support of Mexican cartels and drug trafficking into the U.S. and across the southern border, that takes increasingly more American lives every year. About 87,000 in the last year, and rising. Compare that with the Korean War (1950-1953) that took 54,000 American lives in 4 years. Or with the Vietnam war (1965-1975) that took 58,000 American lives in 10 years.
This is an all-but-declared unofficial war with the U.S., on multiple fronts. And as you can plainly see, on Australia and the rest of the world. China's aggression makes me think there is no more moderate statement by your Australian president that would have resulted in less of a backlash attack on Australia's economy and trade by China. China has already been eager to unleash intimidation and aggression against every nation in its region, including Japan, Taiwan, Nepal, India, Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines. In addition to Australia. All this is emboldened by a weak Joe Biden, who is actually cutting U.S. military funding, while deficit-spending trillions in new spending on every social program.
There is a fourth branch where China is waging war on the U.S. and other nations, and that is through cyber-warfare and cyber-theft. As I mentioned in previous posts, China has hacked the computer systems of every large and medium sized company in the U.S., and has further hacked every federal, state, and local government agency in the U.S., and every branch of the U.S. military, and its defense contractors. They stole the design for China's most advanced fighter jet from the U.S.'s F-22 design. China doesn't spend money on research and development, they just steal the research from other countries. Beyond national security considerations of these cyber-attacks, China further steals an estimated $500 to 600 billion in technology and research every year from the U.S. And no doubt hundreds of billions more from other nations worldwide.
There is great concern that China (or Russia, or Iran, or North Korea) could cyber-hack into the U.S. national power grid and shut it down, causing 90% of the population to starve to death in a matter of weeks. And/or cause nuclear reactors nationwide to melt down. Trump as president was preventing Chinese components in our infrastructure that could allow this. But Manchurian candidate Biden in his first 100 days immediately reversed and compromised our national security on this front.
There's a lot more to respond to in your post, but I've already posted at length.
Political leaders in the U.S.(Republicans, anyway) have encouraged U.S. citizens to buy Australian wine and other products, to compensate what you guys have been shorted by China's boycott of Australian industry.
Thank god that pos is out of power leaving these buttlickers back to holding China accountable and not dependent on the political whims of their orange master. I think the main thing here is China isn’t our friend and it wasn’t when Trump was praising them and hoping for them to help him win an election.
Thank god that pos is out of power leaving these buttlickers back to holding China accountable and not dependent on the political whims of their orange master. I think the main thing here is China isn’t our friend and it wasn’t when Trump was praising them and hoping for them to help him win an election.
I've already exposed the disinformation of this lying narrative. Trump (in mid-2020) attempted to keep China from cutting off all PPE and pharmaceutical drugs we depended on China for at the peak of the Covid-19 outbreak in the first few months. China produces over 90% of our medical supplies and pharmaceuticals. What you and the liars who wrote that link ignore is that Trump diplomatically said a few friendly words to China that kept the medical supply lines going that we were dependent on in those months. But you and the liars you linked ignore the hundreds of times Trump during that time and since has attacked China for deliberately allowing flights out of China to every nation on Earth. It is possible that China initially let loose this outbreak by accident in Wuhan, but figured since it was going to damage China economically, they deliberately let it spread to also damage their competitors across the rest of the world. Or it could have been a completely planned pandemic from the beginning, that just got loose faster than China wanted it to be, in a way that damaged China before set loose on the rest of the world.
Either way, you are serving China's talking points, by attempting to turn it into a narrative about Trump, that just serves to take the spotlight off China, where the blame and the heat belongs.
Meanwhile, M E M, you ignore several months of exposure of Fauci and the CDC, that were funding "gain of function" research on lethal Coronavirus strains. Where someone above Fauci in 2014 decided this research was too dangerous to continue and cut off U.S. research and funds for it within the CDC. So Fauci used $3.5 million of U.S CDC funds to covertly fund the same research in China, our greatest enemy doing bio-weapons reseach, in labs that were known even then to have even less safe laboratory research conditions.
So Fauci used CDC research funds, on "gain of function" Coronavirus research that was already considered back in 2014 by our government to be too dangerous to continue and had already had its funds cut off. And Fauci re-started that research clandestinely in the Wuhan bio-research lab, despite that U.S. funding for it HAD ALREADY BEEN CUT OFF, but Fauci continued that research through secret channels by cooking the books, and with funding he was not supposed to continue, that FUNDED AND CAUSED THE Covid-19 GLOBAL OUTBREAK !
And then Fauci led the misdirection for the last year, pushing the false narrative that the outbreak originated from a Wuhan "wet market", rather than originating from the Wuhan research lab that he, Anthony Fauci, no one else caused to develop this virulent strain.
This is the guy that Democrat leadership and the Newspeak liberal media hail as a genius and a vital source of information on the pandemic, despite how many times he has been wrong and contradicted himself. And now Fauci is revealed to be responsible for the pandemic itself, AND for the cover-up of the pandemic's origins, to hide his own guilt !
And incredibly, the human cattle who vote Democrat still have about 90% confidence in Fauci. (Republicans have about 10% confidence in Fauci.) I agree with Sen. Rand Paul, Fauci should be fired TODAY, and he should be up on charges and awaiting trial in jail. What is wrong with you Democrat lunatics? How stupid are you?!?
This is rich coming from Trumpers. I remember that the CDC didn’t think masks were beneficial at the beginning of the pandemic but changed their guidelines as new evidence emerged. Fauci fell out of favor with Trump because he wasn’t willing to do what Trump wanted politically. Reread that fat fucks interviews with Woodward WB. I’m ready for some trials too.
This is rich coming from Trumpers. I remember that the CDC didn’t think masks were beneficial at the beginning of the pandemic but changed their guidelines as new evidence emerged. Fauci fell out of favor with Trump because he wasn’t willing to do what Trump wanted politically. Reread that fat fucks interviews with Woodward WB. I’m ready for some trials too.
I didn't rush to respond to your post because I've already answered it about a dozen times in this topic alone.
Fauci fell out of favor because he was incompetent and repeatedly wrong, no other reason. And now we're learning (as I linked in posts above) that Fauci actually secretly arranged the funding of "gain of function" research in the Wuhan lab with federal funds, and then Fauci covered up his PERSONAL responsibility for the pandemic,. As revealed in Fauci's e-mail exchanges to other scientists and to Chinese officials, who thanked Fauci in their exchanged e-mails for covering up and slowing the investigation by saying it was "absurd" or "impossible" for Covid-19 to have originated from a Wuhan lab leak. But a year later, the consensus of leading virologists worldwide is that IT WAS a Wuhan lab leak, and that the virus was artificially adapted to be more infectious to humans, no evidence has emerged of a gradual evolvement of a "zoonotic" adaptation from animals to humans. Quite the contrary, other leading scientists were telling Fauci in his e-mails in January 2020 (linked above) that in their professional scientific opinion the virus seemed to be a "function enhanced" laboratory creation, appearing too quickly to have occurred naturally.
But for some reason you seem immune to these facts, M E M.
The facts show that Fauci has been wrong over and over. That's not "Trump supporters" saying Fauci has been wrong, those are just the pure and simple reported facts.
Over and over, Fauci has advised or predicted or exaggerated or downplayed, and weeks or months later he has been shown to be wrong and the exact opposite has occurred. Where you berate President Trump for saying things, you ignore that Trump in the early months was repeating exactly what Fauci advised him at that exact point in time, whether it was Jan, Feb, March, April, May June, July, August of 2020. Where you attack Trump for being wrong, and ignore that Trump was repeating Fauci's advice, repeating the exact same things Fauci was simultaneously saying on CNN, FOX and other networks every night at the exact same time. You excoriate Trump for his remarks about the pandemic every month, while heaping praise on Fauci for saying THE EXACT SAME THINGS, and ignore that IT WAS FAUCI WHO WAS ADVISING TRUMP TO SAY THESE THINGS !
And when Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx and CDC director Redfield were repeatedly wrong and not doing the job, Trump finally brought in other advisors like Dr. Scott Atlas and others from the private sector. If Trump had followed Fauci's advice, MILLIONS more in the U.S. would be dead now. Because Fauci advised against suspending air travel from China, and later from Europe. But even Fauci now concedes that was the right thing to do, that allowed the nation's hospitals to prepare, and to minimize U.S. deaths.
Likewise, Fauci and Redfield screwed up the creation of a Covid-19 test kit, kept promising President Trump that the kit was just weeks away (that Trump repeated to the public, that Trump was vilified for, that Fauci and Redfield got a free pass on). And Trump finally went to the private sector and had them create a test kit, quickly, that Fauci and Redfield never delivered on. It later turned out that the CDC had Covid-infected their test lab, so that they couldn't work on a test kit, and were too embarassed to tell anyone, even Trump. So the test kit they were promising "soon, soon!" was not even being developed in those months. These incompetents you praise, while blaming Trump. Trump had the good sense to stop listening to them and go to the private sector. If Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama had been president in 2020, millions more would be dead now.
It is the media and many verified sources, and even Chinese informants and defectors, who have confirmed different parts of these facts, not "Trump supporters" :
Anthony Fauci even fed the CNN lying narrative leading up to the 2020 election that it was "impossible" and "ridiculous" a Covid-19 vaccine could be created within a year. In fact, because Trump pushed very hard, it was created in 9 months. Created In spite of Fauci, not because of.
And further, even if the vaccine had been created in 9 months under any other president, it still would not have been available for another year. But Trump months before it was completed simultaneously organized and pre-paid for the manufature and nationwide distribution of the vaccine, so that incompetents Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Anthony Fauci could receive vaccination in Dec 2020.
Always amazing when Trumpers talk about incompetence and being repeatedly wrong. Who do you think your kidding WB? I watched Trump mislead, politicize and downplay his way through a deadly pandemic. Fauci based his recommendations on what was known at the time. He wasn’t the one who gave Woodward interviews of how deadly he knew the pandemic was and than proceeded to hold super spreader events and try to open everything up before we had the vaccine available. Fauci is trying to serve the public while Trump as usual was only trying to serve himself. But you gush about the pos trump and say patently untrue things like “he created the vaccine “ so I don’t rush my disgusted response to you either. History will deservedly be unkind to Trump and those that enabled his incompetence. Even Stalin couldn’t rewrite history, you and the rest of Trump’s fan club will too.
Always amazing when Trumpers talk about incompetence and being repeatedly wrong. Who do you think your kidding WB? I watched Trump mislead, politicize and downplay his way through a deadly pandemic. Fauci based his recommendations on what was known at the time. He wasn’t the one who gave Woodward interviews of how deadly he knew the pandemic was and than proceeded to hold super spreader events and try to open everything up before we had the vaccine available. Fauci is trying to serve the public while Trump as usual was only trying to serve himself. But you gush about the pos trump and say patently untrue things like “he created the vaccine “ so I don’t rush my disgusted response to you either. History will deservedly be unkind to Trump and those that enabled his incompetence. Even Stalin couldn’t rewrite history, you and the rest of Trump’s fan club will too.
I watched the Democrat/Left and the zealot activist liberal media (that are inseparable partners of the Democrat/Left, with no interest in objectivity or giving Trump or any Republican favorable coverage in any circumstance) all collectively PORTRAY Trump as a liar and deceiver.
And I've also seen the Democrats and liberal media blatantly lie and cause destruction to our nation, for which you give your side a complete free pass.
Governor Andrew Cuomo, for example, who directly caused and then cynically covered up how his policies caused at least 15,000 elderly people to die in New York state, despite that Trump gave him incredible resources available to avoid that .
Or Anthony Fauci as I cited above, whose "gain of function" research (i.e., making viruses even more lethal, altering animal/bat viruses in a lab to be more adapted to infect and kill humans) was ordered ended in 2014 in CDC/NIH labs in the U.S., and he secretly revived and outsourced that research to labs in Wuhan, China, funding it by other names with NIH federal funds, and thus directly caused the Covid-19 pandemic. AND THEN ORCHESTRATED THE COVER-UP TO HIDE THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE PANDEMIC, AND HIS DIRECT ROLE IN IT !! Your idiot talking point rationalizations to protect Fauci don't hold a shred of truth to anyone familiar with the facts that I linked above. Fauci communicated in e-mail in January 2020 and in the months after that what he knew privately was exactly opposite of what he was publicly telling the media and government leaders. He knew all along that "gain of function" research created Covid-19, and that his own secretive funding of it was directly responsible.
Or how Kamala Harris and about a dozen of her campaign staff organized and donated funding for the legal fees to get the most violent BLM rioters out of jail, and stoked the racial division and riots, in Minneapolis and in cities nationwide. (KAMALA HARRIS: "They're going to keep up the pressure right up untill election day and after, they will not stop, and they SHOULDN'T stop." )
Or the flood off 6,000 illegals a day pouring over our southern border, and the lies that President Biden and VP Kamala Harriss tell every day to try and hide and gloss over it, and allow it to continue.
When your side calls Trump or anyone else a liar, they distort, exaggerate or completely make up the allegations against Trump or Republicans, in an effort to make him toxic politically, and to splinter off his support by this deceitful propaganda. But in truth Democrats are the actual liars that you give a free pass to, and the criminal things the Democrats ACTUALLY do, and are protected from exposure of by their fellow Democrats and the Orwellian Newspeak media, are PROVEABLY guilty of things a thousand times worse than what you just slander Trump and other Republicans to actually be guilty of.
I've cited the examples over and over, how CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post and Politico and so many others have alleged things about Trump and his supporters, and within days that lying Democrat narrative falls apart, over and over. And that same liberal media and Democrats hide and absolutely refuse to cover the exposed facts regarding. Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Bill Priestap, Kevin Clinesmith, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce and Nellie Ohr, Christopher Steele, John Kerry, Susan Rice, John Brennan, James Clapper, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hunter Biden and other Democrat criminals should all be indicted and in jail a dozen times over, if there were not a corrupt cabal within our federal system to protect them, while weaponizing the same intelligence, law enforcement and IRS agencies against Republicans.
And in point of fact, it is your sside, THE DEMOCRATS, who openly admire marxists and Stalinists, and Maoists, in their authoritarian tactics to overthrow our Constitutional republic. I've quoted them ,many times. From Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Valerie Jarrett, Obama mentors William Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis, Wade Rathke, former Weather Underground member Jeff Jones (who wrote the Obamacare legislation), Obama's FCC diversity czar Mark Llloyd (saying Hugo Chavez's takeover of Venezuelan media was very effective, and a good model to follow) , Obama czar Ron Bloom( "We agree with Mao that capitalism is mostly a shaam, and that power is mostly administered at the barrel of a gun"), Obama white House communications director Anita Dunn ("the two sources of wisdom I go to most, Mao Tse Tung and the Pope, not often mentioned together." ) And in the overtly Marxist written charters for Antifa and Black Lives Matter. The point being, at every level from top to bottom, your vicious Democrat Bolshevik party is deeply versed in Marxism. it is a joke and an obvious and vicious lie that you would accuse Trump, his supporters, or anyone else of being "Stalinist", what YOUR OWN PARTY is so clearly immersed in. Democratss are not only the Marxist/Maoist/Stalinist party, but also the party that clearly hates America and pushes to overthrow it. That again is clearly in the charters of Antifa and Black Lives Matter, that the Democrats are enthusiastic supporters of.
You're SUCH a fucking liar, M E M. What you say is blatantly untrue.
This is from about a year ago, but it stood out for me as a personal story of the impact of the pandemic, on one particular New York doctor, who was at the center of the first responders at a hospital dealing with an onslaught of daily cases at the peak of the crisis:
(BBC) A top New York City doctor who was on the front line of the US fight against coronavirus has taken her own life. Dr Lorna Breen, who was medical director of the emergency department at New York-Presbyterian Allen Hospital in Manhattan, died of self-inflicted injuries on Sunday, police said.
The 49-year-old’s father, Dr Philip Breen, told the New York Times: “She tried to do her job and it killed her.” New York accounts for 17,500 out of America’s coronavirus 56,000 deaths. The elder Dr Breen said his daughter had had no history of mental illness. She died in Charlottesville, Virginia, where she had been staying with her family.
Lorna Breen herself had fallen ill with the coronavirus during the course of her work and returned to the job after about a week-and-a-half of recuperating, said her father. The hospital had sent her home again, before her family “intervened” to bring her to Charlottesville, said her father.
He said that when they last spoke, his daughter had seemed “detached” and told him how Covid-19 patients were dying before they could even be removed from ambulances. Dozens of patients have succumbed to coronavirus at the 200-bed hospital in Manhattan. “She was truly in the trenches on the front line,” her father told the Times.
“Make sure she’s praised as a hero. She’s a casualty just as much as anyone else who has died.” According to the newspaper, Dr Lorna Breen was a devout Christian who was very close to her family. She was an avid skiier who also enjoyed salsa dancing. She volunteered once a week at a home for old people.
New York-Presbyterian Allen Hospital said in a statement: “Dr Breen is a hero who brought the highest ideals of medicine to the challenging front lines of the emergency department.” In a press release confirming her death, the Charlottesville Police Department also described Dr Breen as a “hero”.
The police department said that after a call for help on 26 April, Dr Breen was taken to a local hospital for treatment “where she later succumbed to self-inflicted injuries”. Police chief RaShall Brackney said in a statement: “Frontline healthcare professionals and first responders are not immune to the mental or physical effects of the current pandemic.
“On a daily basis,” she added, “these professionals operate under the most stressful of circumstances, and the coronavirus has introduced additional stressors.” New York state has recorded almost a third of the country’s nearly one million confirmed Covid-19 cases.
On Monday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said random antibody tests indicated that a quarter of New York City (24.7%) – America’s most populous city with 8.3 million people – had been infected with coronavirus.
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She seems to have been an exceptional person. It stands out for me, as a story that captures what it was like for her to deal with the crisis at its peak as a front line medical professional, and for the overwhelming multitude of Covid-infected patients who came to her for help. And clearly, it took a powerful toll on her, even as a very experienced medical professional.
Serious question to Wondy: do you believe Lindell's claim that Trump will be president again on August 13th?
I honestly don't.
The Democrat partisans in FBI and DOJ and other federal agencies, and bipartisan Deep State (or at least Deep State intimidated) courts that let us down for the last 8 months, I think will continue to ignore the evidence and refuse to do the right thing.
The growing evidence that exists and is reported in conservative media, and even reported in other countries, might pressure the U S Supreme Court to hear the case eventually. And as other conservative social media grows with sites like Parler, Gettr and so forth (or at least not conservative- censoring social media sites, sites that allow an actual 2-sided dialogue instead of a one-sided Leftist indoctrination ) grow as alternative media forums, where Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other giants can't block conservative factual information from being viewed and disscussed, will eventually pressure both the Democrats, timid Republican leaders, and even the lower courts and U S S C to eventually at least hear the case. But my concern is, we're already 6 months into Biden's fraudulent presidency, and they only have to stonewall another 3 years or so, to run out the clock, so Biden and the Democrats get away with it.
Just as they did with the Obama/IRS/Lois Lerner abuses of the IRS to harass and intimidate Republican donors and political groups in the 2012 election.
Just as the 97% corrupt Democrat FBI and DOJ dragged their feet on the Benghazi scandal, on the Hillary Clinton e-mail/private server scandal, where the corrupt Democrat-loyalist FBI and DOJ deliberately sabotaged their cases and allowed Hillary and her aides to destroy tens of thousands of e-mails and files, bleach-bit computer hard drives, smash cel phones with e-mail and message evidence, and didn't even record Hillary Clinton during her deposition. (Contrast this with the framing and malicious prosecution of Gen. Michael Flynn.)
Just as they knew from the beginning there was NO EVIDENCE, NONE against Donald Trump, and despite already having: (1) a House intelligence investigation of Trump/Russia, (2) a Senate investigation, (3) a 9-month FBI counter-intelligence investigation where Peter Strzok texted from the very beginning in late 2016 to his extramarital lover Lisa Page that he was not enthusiastic about investigating because he already knew "There's no 'there' there." ...
Despite all this, deceitful FBI director James Comey leaked FBI documents that caused media pressure for (4) a Mueller special investigation, formed in early 2017. And once again, despite it being clear in the first 3 weeks there was no case against Trump, the Mueller investigation (run by 17 vitriolically Democrat/Leftist activists and DNC donors, for a while including Strzok and Page) kept the investigation open for another 2 and 1/2 years, just to partisanly keep Trump mired in potential scandal through the 2018 mid-term election, to the Democrats' advantage.
Then when that scandal was killed by the Mueller report in July 2019, the Democrats created another scandal with a fake "whistleblower" in the National Security Council, that I think was an amalgam of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, and CIA Democrat operative Eric Ciaramella, in collaboration with completely discredited liar Rep. Adam Schiff 's office, whose staff actually drafted the "whistleblower report" with a team of lawyers, and actually recommended Vindman'ss attorney to represent him (another shady former CIA operative). On and on. https://www.realclearinvestigations..._brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/04/...partisan-democrat-who-ridiculed-america/
Democrat leaders, and their friends in the corrupted FBI, DOJ and CIA, dragged that Ukraine/whistleblower scandal on from August 2020 until the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic in Feb 2020. And yet the 97% Democrat-donating FBI / DOJ had Hunter Biden's laptop since Dec 2019, and despite that the Hunter Biden laptop's contents completely exonerated Trump and completely incriminated Joe Biden and son Hunter Biden, the FBI never disclosed the laptop's Biden-incriminating e-mails and photos, not even during Trump's impeachment in Jan-Feb 2020, exculpatory evidence that would have more easily exonerated Trump. Not even released now, almost 2 years later.
So all these FBI, DOJ and the Mueller investigations unnecessarily dragged on for over 4 years, over Trump's entire term, and they still never prosecuted these corrupt agents, or revealed the hidden evidence, or exculpatory evidence, against all the people I mentioned above. They sabotaged the cases against Democrats, they maliciously prosecuted and manufactured cases against Trump officials, destroying the lives of even those they were not able to prosecute (just ask Michael Caputo and Jerome Corsi, to name two). And they (Democrat operatives in FBI, DOJ , CIA, State Department, NSA and other branches) ran out the clock to prevent prosecution of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and other Obama officials. About 2 dozen FBI and DOJ officials were forced to resign, retire, or were fired, but none of them were prosecuted for the obscene abuses of power, falsified evidence and other fraudulent activity they were involved in. A COUP AGAINST A SITTING PRESIDENT TRUMP, no less. None did a day in jail, despite abundant evidence against them.
So no, I don't have confidence the election will be overturned by August 2021 by the U S Supreme Court, or even by the end of Biden's term. There is about a decade of examples of weaponized / Deep State government preventing that in multiple cases, no matter how overwhelming the evidence.
The Democrat/Bolshevik Left is trying to scapegoat the governors of Texas and Florida in (yet another) Democrat false narrative, to cover the fact that the source of the rise in new Covid-19 cases is obviously from the over 6,000 illegals a day Biden is letting over-run our southern border. Many of those illegals questioned in Texas say their ultimate destination is Florida.
Another obvious fact that this rise in cases is caused by a surge of illegals, and not by the actions of scapegoated Florida and Texas governors, is that the rise in new cases is not the existing strain, but new strains of Alpha, Delta(from India) and a new Gamma variant. These are not a surge among U.S. citizens (who are now 70% vaccinated). These are a surge in even more virulent, but less deadly, variant new Covid strains from other countries, where vaccination is virtually non-existent. Mexico (the most vaccinated source country of illegalss) is about 20% vaccinated. Other major illegal groups come from countries like El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, that only have 1% to 2% vaccinated. And the packed trucks of illegals coming across the souther border are breeding pens for Covid-19.
The Democrats lie every which-way, but the true facts, and the deceitful lying narrative created to hide these facts, are obvious.
Further, Biden and the Democrats demonize "ignorant Trump supporters" as the ones not getting vaccinated. But in truth, the largest groups avoiding vaccination are 1) blacks (who vote 92% Democrat) and 2) hispanics (who vote 66% Democrat). So even the people who voted for Biden/Harris don't trust them regarding the Covid vaccine! So they crete a false narrative that it's "white supremacist Trump supporters" who are the ones most resistant to vaccination, and easily disproven lie: https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/0...ll-least-likely-to-be-vaccinated-n402993 https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
Very important, the over 6,000 illegals entering the country daily, and being flown Covid-virulent at taxpayer expense all over the country on planes and buses, infecting cities nationwide, only a fraction are ever tested for Covid, and even openly sick, are allowed to be processed, enter and travel throughout the U.S. Even when offered the vaccine, 30% of illegals refuse it. Given the measures forced on U.S. citizens, a testing for Covid of illegals, and MANDATORY vaccination of illegals, should be required to enter the U.S.
So what you say, M E M (and your vicious Democrat-Bolshevik party, and the Democrat-Newspeak media) is blatantly untrue. The easily sourced facts, vs. your lying narrative.
And where would all this vaccine-hesitancy come from?
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Kamala Harris wouldn't trust a Trump vaccine, and neither should anyone else
More than anything during this pandemic Donald Trump has proved himself wholly devoid of what most of us expect as normal human decency. From lying about the threat of the virus itself, to complete... dailykos.com -- 6:15 AM · Sep 6, 2020
The piece-of-shit Democrat party seeded all this distrust for months, generating nationwide fear of a vaccine. And once they "won" (illegitimately) the election, they suddenly had to completely reverse themselves and attest to its safety. Gee, why don't people believe them, not even their own voters? I can't imagine.
I remember tuning in for the Covid briefings at first and gave up on them because of trump. I wouldn’t take his word alone either and that is the context you left out. Harris pointedly said it depended on credible sources on the vaccines and not his word alone. “ “I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about,”
I do get that for trumpers, he is the source they have faith in and its a pity that he hasn’t done much in trying to get the vaccine hesitant to take it. And I take no pleasure in seeing Florida as #1 for Covid and hope better republicans can be more effective with getting their base vaccinated.
I remember tuning in for the Covid briefings at first and gave up on them because of trump. I wouldn’t take his word alone either and that is the context you left out. Harris pointedly said it depended on credible sources on the vaccines and not his word alone. “ “I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about,”
I do get that for trumpers, he is the source they have faith in and its a pity that he hasn’t done much in trying to get the vaccine hesitant to take it. And I take no pleasure in seeing Florida as #1 for Covid and hope better republicans can be more effective with getting their base vaccinated.
That's because you're a Democrat/left partisan, who takes at face value whatever lying talking points your party feeds you, on any given day. You will NEVER give Trump, or any Republican, credit for having better ideas, better leadership, or better actions than the Bolshevik lunatics you support.
As I've said repeatedly: I voted for Trump in 2016 with hesitation, not sure what he could actually do as president. But in Trump's 4 years I grew to support him with great enthusiasm, because he did exactly as he promised, and far more. He rebuilt our economy, brought factories and jobs back to the U.S. that his Democrat opponents said was fantasy, that Barack Obama said he would "have to wave a magic wand" to make happen. But Trump did exactly that. Trump built a southern border wall as promised. He secured the border, as promised. He re-built our military, as promised. He provided THREE Covid-19 vaccines by November 2020, as promised. He prevented a war with Iran, a push to war that Hillary Clinton or Biden would have followed deep state/neo-con advisors into. Trump used sanctions to reign in China, Russia, North Korea and Iran, more effectively than any other president has ever used economic sanctions, exerting world-changing influence without a war or firing a shot. The most effective use of economic soft power of any president in our lifetime.
THIS is the guy you demonize and hate.
If you hate Trump, it is clearly based on irrational bias, not the facts. Those are the facts. He is the most effective president since at least FDR and Teddy Roosevelt. With quantifiably the best economy in 50 yeears, greater than even Reagan, and certaainly greater than Bill Clinton or Obama. He re-built this country in record time, despite corrupt opposition on every side, even with deep state attacks on him from his own FBI and DOJ, his own CIA and National Security Council.
I only regret that once Trump was close to weeding out all those deep state rats, that Trump didn't have another 4 years as president to achieve even more, with them now out of the way.
Biden and his puppetmasters are doing the exact opposite of protecting and strengthening the country. In less than 6 months they have destroyed border security, brought on another wave of nationwide Covid spread though the millions of illegal immigrants pouring in. Biden has through weakness emboldened China, Russia, North Korea and Iran to do their worst. Biden has destroyed U.S. energy independence, slashed and demoralized our military, and enacted a Stalinist purge of Republicans from federal and military positions.
I pray to God that this country can survive 4 years of Biden. The Trump "insurrectionists" are a manufactured phantom. that masks the real insurrection and overthrow of the U.S. by the Cultural Marxists in the Biden administration and wider Democrat party. These people are openly marxist, openly want to tear down our history and national monuments, openly are strong-arming for a one-party totalitarian system, and openly want to purge, humiliate and destroy anyone who disagrees with them. Openly talk about wanting to put Trump supporters in Gulags. Openly call for televised forced confessions from Trump administration officials (as in Soviet Russia or communist China). Openly talk about wanting to take away Trump supporters' children and raise/indoctrinate them by wards of the cultural marxist state Openly protested throughout 2020 (invoking to the French Revolution) carrying guillotines and effigy severed heads, what they would like to do to their opposition. Openly talk about wanting to block Trump supporters from being able to keep their degrees or be able to find jobs.
Democrats even subject their own to this kind of purge, if they deviate from the talking points of the Democrat/Left.
Just ask decades-respected journalists like John Solomon, Sharyl Attkisson, and others, who despite decades of solid journalism and acclaim are suddenly blacklisted from the mainstream. Ask former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who was similarly blacklisted when he published a book exposing the media-purged facts about Covid-19, and his book was for a while purged from availability on Amazon, until public pressure broke Amazon down into again selling it on their site. Ask the former host of The Bachelor TV series, or any celebrity who endorsed Donald Trump. Ask any Republican U.S. Senate or House member who supported challenging the electoral votes in the January 6th joint-session hearings, who have been threatened with severing of their election funding by multiple "woke" corporations, corporations who NO PROBLEM supported Democrats' 2000, 2004 and 2016 challenges of Republican victories, but portray a challenge of Biden's election integrity as an "attack on democracy".
They wanted to take away Alan Dershowitz's law degree, the most respected and acclaimed lawyer in the country, professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, just for defending Trump in an impeachment trial. They ACTUALLY DID take away mayor and U.S. attorney Rudy Giuliani's New York law license, although only temporarily. They took Rep. Elise Stefanik's position on a law board at Harvard, for no reason other than spite, just because she supported the electoral challenge on Jan 6th. The same electoral challenge Democrats exerted in 2000, 2004 and 2016 against Republican presidents, and continued to undermine these presidents as "illegitimate" long after a full audit of the election integrity in each case was permitted by Republicans. But to even ask for an audit of election integrity in Nov 2020 was enough to purge her as allegedly "undermining democracy".
Acts of intimidation by the Democrat-Bolshevik party, one and all.
You blindly support your vicious party, and these purges. Be careful what you wish for, M E M. You might get it. And when that actually happens, you won't like it.
That's because you're a Democrat/left partisan, who takes at face value whatever lying talking points your party feeds you, on any given day.
Says right-wing nutjob without the slightest hint of irony... ::rolls eyes::
So you don't deny being a Democrat/lLeft partisan.
Finally, a grain of truth out of your lying mouth.
And I don't post talking points, I cite facts, sourced and linked. Whereas you're clearly an indoctrinated zealot of the Left. Who lies and pretends to be something else. Dipshit.
I don't need to deny anything because the point of discussion here is that you are in a right-wing cult. You are just trying to blow off dealing with the fact that you are just as ugly as you paint the left to be. Stay on topic. You are a delusional nutjob just like the Antifa kids you rail about. You just smash keyboard keys instead of windows, you mentally unwell ass.
I don't need to deny anything because the point of discussion here is that you are in a right-wing cult. You are just trying to blow off dealing with the fact that you are just as ugly as you paint the left to be. Stay on topic. You are a delusional nutjob just like the Antifa kids you rail about. You just smash keyboard keys instead of windows, you mentally unwell ass.
Standard Leftist operating procedure #2: Always attack, slander and put your opposition on the defensive and accuse them of things, never state or defend what YOU YOURSELF stand for on the Left. Because if the public knew what your real ideology and goals were they would never support you. LIE, pretend to be something you're not, and once political victory is achieved, only then advance your true cultural marxist agenda.
That's pure marxist strategy, going back to Gramsci and the Frankfurt School cultural marxists, and continued by Cloward/Piven strategy, by Saul Alinsky, and their disciples, the Clintons, the Obamas, Berni Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and AOC and her "squad".
I'm not "right wing cult", I'm a Reagan conservative, a Buchanan conservative, and a Trump conservative, that are clearly the same consistent ideology through over 40 years, not radicalized and pursuing an authoritarian one-party system like the Democrats have devolved into, even writing legislation (H.R. 1, S.B. 1) that makes clear exactly that intent. Even the "Make America Great Again" slogan makes clear makes clear it is the same consistent ideology over all that time. Whereas the Democrats are now openly marxist, and violently so.And it's not just the Antifa or BLM wing, it's the entire Democrat party. When Antifa/BLM were tearing down statues of Lincoln, Washington and Jefferson, NOT ONE Democrat objected to that or called for it to stop. PELOSI: "I don't care about statues..."
That makes pretty clear who the "cultists" are, Iggy. Including you. My side is just trying to reign in your insanity. Your consistent uncivility is just a visible identifier, and par for the course.
People at This Very Forum from Around the World Have All Called Me Crazy at Some Point, but I Know They Are the Real Brainwashed: A Screed on Why I Can't Understand that Maybe It is Me and Not the World
My sourced facts, Iggy, your unpersuasive insults.
I'm not wildly speculating that Democrats are America-hating communists. I'm quoting what they've said in their own words, in their writings, or in their videotaped speeches and public remarks.
You try to spin WB but it’s just not true. Sure you might use a kernel of truth but than ignore anything that disproves or doesn’t fit your propaganda.
You try to spin WB but it’s just not true. Sure you might use a kernel of truth but than ignore anything that disproves or doesn’t fit your propaganda.
I've cited the Marxist ideology and remarks of Democrat House and Senate legislators, and from the last 3 Democrat White House administrations. Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, A O-C and her "squad", the BLM and Antifa groups your party embraces and never criticizes, Critical Race Theory, the "1619 project" America-hating propaganda, the scorn of our national history as allegedly shameful and racist. The tearing down of statues nationwide of Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln, that every Democrat praises, and certainly none ever voice opposition to. Advocated by virtually every prominent Democrat in the House and Senate.
The overwhelming majority of the leadership in your vicious party is Marxist-Bolshevik to the core. The only three POSSIBLE exceptions I can think of are Senator Joe Manchin, Senator Kirsten Sinema, and the ostracized former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. And former Senator and VP candidate Joseph Lieberman. Certainly none still in the party.
The same mixture of politics and greed that has blocked the use of Ivermectin, are largely the same corrupt reasons that Hydroxychloroquine has been prevented and propagandized against. Both are proven effective against Covid, and against multiple other diseases, without side effects. But both have expired copyrights, and are available in generic prescriptions for next to nothing, for about 20 dollars per treatment. Proven over decades to be safe.
Whereas there are literally billions to be made with the various and largely ineffective Covid-19 vaccines, that have created 9 new billionaires since they were introduced.
Likewise the Remdesevir threapy that is covered in the video, is highly profitable, but questionably effective, and questionably safe, relatively new and untested.
Likewise a new medication for Covid called Mulnupiravir, which is expensive and not fully tested, but is copyrighted and expensive. And until cleared with years of sample studies, in early studies is believed to be cancer-causing. But is copyright-owned and profitable. It is believed to increase survival of hospitalized patients by 50%. But Aspirin, which is virtually free, increases survival by 46%. Virtually the same result, at a much lower cost. And yet Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, which are pretty much 100% effective at a much lower cost, are not only ignored as a treatment, but actually propagandized against and ridiculed.
The politics and greed of that are covered quite well.
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s inflated claim that there are 100,000 pediatric COVID-19 hospitalizations is incorrect, reports Politifact. Sotomayor made the claim during oral arguments in a case involving the Biden administration's vaccine mandate for private businesses with at least 100 employees. "We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators" due to the coronavirus, Sotomayor incorrectly stated on Friday at the court session.
According to federal data, there are only 3,342 children currently hospitalized for confirmed COVID-19, a number that goes up to 4,652 if suspected coronavirus cases are included, with both figures being less than 5% of the total the justice stated. Even if all pediatric hospitalization cases since August 1, 2020 are added up, the number is 82,842, according to the CDC. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on Sunday said Sotomayor’s numbers are way off.
"Yeah," Walensky said during an interview with Fox News when asked whether there were fewer than 3,500 cases. "But, you know, here’s what I can tell you about our pediatric hospitalizations now," continued the head of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"First of all, the vast majority of children who are in the hospital are unvaccinated, and for those children who are not eligible for vaccination, we do know they are most likely to get sick with COVID if their family members aren’t vaccinated," she said, pushing the Biden administration’s mantra that the unvaxxed are fueling the continued pandemic.
Politifact pointed out that the 100,000 figure Sotomayor cited may be referring to an American Academy of Pediatrics report that as of the end of December, "child COVID-19 cases are above 100,000." However, that same report also stressed that "it appears that severe illness due to COVID-19 is uncommon among children."
Politifact acknowledged that the number of child coronavirus-positive admissions has gone up significantly since the omicron variant became dominant last month, but nowhere near the rate Sotomayor mentioned.
Walensky pointed out to Fox News that the numbers of COVID hospitalizations generally include those who go to hospitals for other reasons and then test positive while they are there, stating that "in some hospitals that we've talked to, up to 40% of the patients who are coming in with COVID are coming in not because they're sick with COVID but because they're coming in with something else and have had COVID or the omicron variant detected."
Walensky stressed that even though Sotomayor’s figures were incorrect, getting vaccinated is a still a good way to reduce the chances of hospitalization, stating that "the vast majority of children who are in the hospital are unvaccinated, and for those children who are not eligible for vaccination we do know they are most likely to get sick with COVID if their family members aren't vaccinated."
I love how "Politifact" bends over backwards to provide explanations for how Sotomayor's numbers explained by the media as having just possibly misread numbers, that could be explained away as halfway accurate. You can bet they wouldn't provide a similar explanation or alternate possibly-just-misremembered numbers for President Trump or any other Republican. Instead it would be "Trump is a LIAR, Trump is evil, Trump is ignorant, Trump is just making stuff up to justify his hate" or somesuch. But in Sotomayor's case, they try to rationalize her numbers, despite hers being a blatant fabrication of facts, driven by her partisan ideology, spun by her comrades at Politifact as somehow plausibly truthful. A "wise latina woman with the richness of her experience " reaching a difference conclusion, to be sure.
All three leftist/liberal justices voiced similar inaccuracies (Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan), that are terrifying in their zealous agenda-pushing, misinformed understanding of the facts, and their complete subservience to Leftist ideology, the law be damned. They are completely committed to a Democrat/Leftist Bolshevik agenda, rather than the Constitutional rule of law, no regard for how these mandates violate the rights of citizens. These Democrat-appointed justices are parroting Democrat talking points, rather than detachedly sorting out the scientific evidence and the true facts, and upholding Constitutional law and rights of millions of private citizens and military soldiers who are being fired from their jobs, fired for no logical reason. A Supreme Court justice interested in the truth would acknowledge massive Covid spread is occurring even among the vaccinated, DESPITE the vaccine and boosters, rather than repeating the Democrat/Left's false talking points, false evidence fronted in US Supreme Court hearings no less, without any vetting of the accuracy of that Democrat narrative. A narrative that Politifact even had to acknowledge as blatantly untrue, although they attempted to spin it in the best possible light for Sotomayor.
The vaccines are proven to offer no protection, the logic of mandating the vaccines (or be fired from their jobs, in the millions) based on that proof no longer has any scientific basis. The vaccines were designed for the "Alpha" version of Covid-19, and now we're up to "Delta" and "Omicron" and several other variant strains, on which the vaccines are not effective. Even the updated boosters are proven to be minimally effective, if effective at all. CDC director Walensky fronts the narrative that "Well, those who got Covid even though vaccinated , still got a less severe case because they were vaccinated." I've yet to see the evidence that fallback argument is scientifically accurate. The scientists all say that even against the original strain, the vaccine's effectiveness diminishes after 6 months, and provides no protection against newer Covid variant strains. In some regions, such as ultra-blue ultra vaccinated California, the majority of new infections ARE AMONG THE VACCINATED.
There are about 30 Senators and Congress members, mostly Democrats, and mostly triple-vaccinated, who have come down with Covid in the last 2 weeks since Christmas and New Years. The most recent being Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez. Who by the way, postured about the need for citizens to obey lockdowns and mask mandates, and yet AOC was first observed in a crowded public event without a mask in New York, and then escaped New York's punitive lockdowns to attend crowded party events in Florida, the red state she publicly condemns for its lack of covid restrictions, but chooses to flee to. Hypocrisy all over the place. Likewise similar hypocrisy from just about every other lying piece of excrement Democrat leader, from Gov Gavin Newsom to Gov Gretchen Whitmer to Gov Andrew Cuomo, to Nancy Pelosi, Lori Lightfoot, , Muriel Bowser, Sen. Elizabeth "Pocahantis" Warren, Bill Deblasio, Chris Cuomo, on down, virtually every last one.
Democrats' Covid restrictions and mandates and orchestrated panic are not about any attempt to contain or prevent Covid-19 spread, it's only about whatever will allow them to purge their Republican political opposition and consolidate Democrat power, and ultimately continue to further circumnavigate election laws to rig more elections, for them hopefully forever. For the rest of us, it's a clear power grab for authoritarian Soviet-style one-party rule. And it appears 3 zealous Democrat-appointed U S Supreme Court justices are all on board the bullet-train to Crazytown.
Over the last six weeks, the hypertransmissive Omicron variant of the coronavirus has generated its fair share of bad news in the United States. Daily COVID-19 case counts more than three times higher than ever before.
A record number of new hospitalizations, pushing thousands of hospital systems nationwide to the breaking point. And now, tragically, another 2,000 COVID-19 deaths, on average, every single day.
At the current rate, America will likely top its summer Delta peak of about 2,100 deaths per day later this week — and could break its all-time record (about 3,300 deaths per day) by the end of the month. In other words, while Omicron itself might be less likely to cause severe illness, especially in vaccinated or previously infected people, America’s Omicron surge — the sum total of all the havoc the variant has wreaked — hasn’t been as “mild” as many had hoped.
But every coronavirus wave crests in due course, then starts to descend — and over the past few days, new signs have emerged from across the country that indicate the tide is starting to turn once again.
So here’s some good news about Omicron — namely, that the worst of its spread may be in the rearview mirror. Case numbers are plummeting in New York City — and they’re falling even faster than they rose. New York City was the first place in the U.S. to get slammed by Omicron: Between Christmas and New Year’s Day, reported cases there more than doubled, on average, from about 15,000 a day to about 33,000 a day.
Previously, America’s biggest city had never averaged more than about 6,200 cases in a single day. By Jan. 10, it was averaging more than 40,000. But since then, transmission has fallen off a cliff. According to data from the NYC Health Department — which is adjusted to reflect the date of diagnosis — the peak likely came on Jan. 3, when the average number of confirmed and probable cases hit 42,670.
As of Jan. 15, however, that number had plunged to 16,330 — a 62 percent drop in less than two weeks. In the dozen days before the peak, the number of NYC cases was increasing at a rate of about 47 percent — meaning it's now going down faster than it went up. This is encouraging because it suggests that once numbers in other parts of the country peak, those places too might see Omicron flame out even more swiftly and suddenly than it flared up in the first place.
In fact, if New York’s experience is any indication, the bulk of the current wave of transmission could effectively subside by the middle of February, about two months after it started. By comparison, previous U.S. surges have taken about four months from start to finish. Other cities are following NYC’s lead. More good news: New York isn’t alone.
Right after Omicron exploded in New York, it started taking off in other dense, well-connected cities across the U.S. Between Dec. 6 and Dec. 20, for instance, cases rose by 442 percent in Houston, 285 percent in Washington, D.C., 219 percent in Miami and 170 percent in Cleveland. Over the last two weeks, however, cases have finally started to drop in most of these hard-hit cities: by 49 percent in Cleveland, by 20 percent in Washington, D.C., by 7 percent in Miami. In Houston, cases are down week over week.
Similar U-turns are also underway in Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia and Baltimore.
Meanwhile, even cities where cases have yet to officially turn are showing signs that they’re about to: a lower percentage of COVID tests coming back positive (Los Angeles); declining Omicron levels in sewage samples (the Bay Area).
Less vaccinated, more rural areas will take a little longer — but some may be starting to show improvement. Because of how Omicron tends to spread — rapidly, through the densest places first — U.S. cities have been ahead of the curve; outlying areas have lagged. That largely explains why the states where the virus is now spreading the fastest are overwhelmingly rural: South Carolina, Oklahoma, Montana, North Dakota, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Alaska, Nebraska, Idaho, Wyoming. Such places tend to have below-average vaccination rates as well.
As Omicron spreads to less populated areas, the worry is that lower immunity levels and weaker health care infrastructure will lead to disproportionately high levels of hospitalization and death.
That dynamic certainly bears watching as the worst of today’s rising rural cases work their way through the system in the coming weeks.
Even so, at least three largely rural states with lower vaccination rates — Missouri, Georgia and Kentucky — may already be approaching plateaus of their own, with positivity rates that appear to be leveling off or even declining.
In fact, as researcher Conor Kelly has pointed out, positivity rates are now heading “in the right direction” across every region of the country.
A broader turnaround could be next, with other rural states not far behind.
The best news of all? Hospitalizations seem to be on the same downward trajectory. As everyone knows by now, the most important metric isn’t how many people test positive for Omicron; the most important metric is how many of those people get sick enough to go to the hospital, or spread it to others who end up there.
By any measure, forcing U.S. hospitals to cope with 157,000 COVID-19 patients at once is an enormous burden — regardless of whether some percentage of those patients tested positive “incidentally” upon admission for another ailment. Patients with COVID must be kept separate from others, and health care workers who test positive must isolate no matter how mild their symptoms, leading to widespread staff shortages.
As the Atlantic’s Ed Yong recently explained, “In the short time since Omicron was discovered, the popular narrative about the variant has calcified around the idea that it is milder. That is true for individuals, and in comparison with Delta, but the variant certainly isn’t mild for unvaccinated people, for those who could develop long COVID from a supposedly 'mild' infection, and especially not for the health-care system as a whole.”
As hospitalization numbers typically lag cases by about two weeks, it will be some time before the extreme pressure on medical professionals lets up. And again, that process will take longer in most rural areas, which are closer to the beginning of their own surges than to the end — and where rates of hospitalization and death may be higher than in cities with higher vaccination rates.
U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy outlined on Sunday how “the next few weeks will be tough” as Omicron continues to rise in different regions of the U.S.
“The good news is that there are parts of the country — New York in particular, and other parts of the Northeast, where we are starting to see a plateau and, in some cases, an early decline in cases,” Murthy told CNN. “The challenge is that … the entire country is not moving at the same pace. The Omicron wave started later in other parts of the country.”
But the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel is starting to flicker, even now.
In New York City, for instance, the average number of daily COVID hospital admissions fell from about 1,000 on Jan. 5 to about 500 ten days later — a rate roughly on par with the decline in cases. Overall hospitalizations have been falling for several days; they’re now at their lowest level since Christmas Eve. ICU and intubation numbers are down as well.
More broadly, regional hospitalizations are starting to level off across the Northeast and Midwest. And while it’s a tentative sign of progress that may reflect delays in reporting due to holidays, the number of COVID patients nationwide has now declined for three days in a row — for the first time in more than a month.
It may be too soon, in short, to say that Omicron has peaked in the U.S. But the peak is coming — and it appears to be coming sooner rather than later.
The argument has been made that months after vaccination, those vaccinated are MORE susceptible to infection, or even to re-infection. Earlier I posted a chart showing that Democrat states (higher vaccination ratios) are having greater reported daily cases than Republican states (lower vaccination rates). And it's hilarious how Biden and DNCNN and MSNDC are still fronting the narrative that "ignorant white racist" Republicans are the ones causing the outbreak. When in truth, the least vaccinated groups, who distrust the vaccine (and perhaps rightly) are blacks and hispanics, obviously more heavily Democrat voters.
I'm still open to the idea that "Well yeah, you were vaccinated and still got Covid, but you had a far less severe case than you would if you had been unvaccinated." The vaccine that's supposed to prevent infection, clearly does NOT prevent infection. I have my doubts that it even makes cases less severe. I'm open to that argument, but I've yet to see that case factually made.
I would further like to see, based on the unconstitutional nature of the mandate in the first place, that all employees fired from their jobs should be given their jobs back and be compensated for lost wages for the time they were fired.
Whether policemen, firemen, teachers, military contractors, soldiers, or those employed in private businesses. This would make large employers think twice about playing this kind of pointless hardball ever again with employees. Essentially putting a gun to their heads, saying take the vaccine or lose your job and your career. For a vaccine that was proven months ago to not even work. It may have worked on the original "alpha" strain, but it clearly doesn't work on the Delta or Omicron strains. So it was clearly a purely political move --or political PURGE, of conservatives and moderates who wouldn't just obey. That's what it was really about.
Displacing them, to consolidate Democrat power over those federal and contract branches, replacing them with loyal Democrat-Bolsheviks. And going along with that unconstitutional Biden/Democrat scheme and power play should carry a heavy legal and financial cost, in compensation and legal damages. This is again part of Democrat authoritarian power receding back from its Bolshevik high-water-mark. And thank God for that.
These are doctors, nurses, and researchers who have struggled to provide effective life-saving care for patients, even as they were ordered by their hospitals and the state to provide medicines and therapies that don't work. At the threat of losing their jobs, their medical practice licenses, and their careers if they didn't comply. But many courageously provided that quality care and lost their jobs for it, to defy treatment that was aimed at maximizing profit and following a false narrative, rather than saving lives.
These are highly qualified doctors, and highly published and referenced doctors,highly regarded doctors and surgeons, heads of hospital boards, FOR DECADES, who are not easily dismissed as "conspiracy theorists" or quacks. There's a lot of good information here. The hearings are 5 hours total.
Once again OAN was the only network to broadcast these hearings in their entirety (and re-broadcast them two more times over the last week). The other networks barely, if at all, even mentioned them. Not even on Fox News or Newsmax. Which only diminishes my trust in the latter 2 networks.
An analysis of studies that focused just on stay-at-home orders found they were 2.9 percent effective at reducing mortality. Studies that gathered data on a broad number of government-imposed pandemic measures actually indicated that stay-at-home orders marginally increased COVID deaths.
The authors concluded that governments should abandon lockdown measures because of their negligible impact on mortality and the real societal damage they cause.
"While this meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted," the researchers wrote. "In consequence, lockdown policies are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument."
The study was published by Johns Hopkins's Institute for Applied Economics, Global Health, and the Study of Business Enterprise. One of the study's authors, economics professor Steve Hanke, is a codirector of the institute.
So... an estimated $ 35 trillion lost because of lockdowns in the U.S. and worldwide... no effect. All the lost small businesses, all the arrests, all the harassment, all the bankrupted families, all the foreclosed homes... no effect.
Score another success for the Democrat-Bolshevik authoritarian left. And they'e STILL trying to force vaccination of truck drivers in the U.S. and Canada. They're still forcing immunizations and masks on children, who actually are far more at risk of lifetime injury or death from Covid-vaccination, than they are from the disease. They are not a risk group, but against the science, are being PUT AT RISK by intrusive and illogical vaccine mandates.
ockdowns in the U.S. and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19, according to a new analysis by researchers at Johns Hopkins University. The lockdowns during the early phase of the pandemic in 2020 reduced COVID-19 mortality by about 0.2%, said the broad review of multiple scientific studies.
“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote.
And stuck on stupid (or just motivated by pure ruthless political gain), the Democrat/Left is still, even now, pushing for lockdowns.
Excess mortality is defined as the difference in the total number of deaths in a crisis compared to those expected under normal conditions. COVID-19 excess mortality accounts for both the total number of deaths directly attributed to the virus as well as the indirect impact, such as disruption to essential health services or travel disruptions.
Insurance companies (for claims reasons), can predict exactly how many people will die every year in car accidents, how many of prostate cancer, how many of lung cancer, etc. But directly because of Covid lockdowns, there is a surge in "excess deaths", beyond the insurance actuaries' predicted levels. A big one is suicides due to lockdowns. Another is drug and alcohol deaths. And deaths due to domestic violence. And also millions who would normally have seen a doctor and received early treatment for cancer and other ailments and been cured, are instead dying, because lockdowns made that early care unavailable to them.
Further, illnesses caused by the vaccines themselves (such as Myocarditis in young males, and neurological damage and paralysiss more common in women, and fetal deaths in pregant wwomen) are resulting in even more permanent disability and "excess deaths". Just within those required in the military to be Covid-vaccinated, diagnosis for cancer is up 300%.
Many patients who were treated for cancer and were in remission, are now experiencing a resurgence of their cancer.
In 32 pregnant women observed, 28 of them experienced miscarriages after vaccination.
. Over the last 24 months, the U.S. government alone has printed between $7 and 8 trillion in new currency, supported by no financial assets. A bubble that inevitably has to burst at some point. In the last 2 months, we have seen cost of food and other goods increase by over 7%. Annual inflation over 7%, for the first time in over 40 years.
Here's a discussion of fiat currency, with comparisons to the collapse of the Roman Empire, the economic collapse of the Mongol Empire begun by Genghis Khan, the collapse of the German Mark in 1923 due to hyperinflation and printing too many paper Marks, and the lesser economic "lost decade" of Japan due to its own fiat currency and accumulation of high debt.
It is not just the United States that has printed over 7 trillion in unbacked new currency, but governments worldwide who have done the same. That using these historic examples and lessons, nations worldwide are set up for a devastating global economic collapse. The long term fruit of the Covid-19 pandemic, resulting from socialist governments worldwide exploiting the crisis to advance their own risky economic utopian theories, by abusing fiat currency in Weimar Republic ways, expecting a different result.
And as that occurs, as the Omicron variant dwindles and reaches its end stages, "Omicron 2" hits China and begins to spread in New York City and other areas.
If it's like Omicron I, it is less deadly, but still contagious enough to generate far more cases, some of them fatal. And give the Biden administration and other governments worldwide the opportunity to do more lockdowns, to advance their political manipulation of this and other countries.
What 2 years of investigation and evidence show to be the origins of the outbreak, as reported in a one-hour Australian news documentary from Sky News. As discussed by leaders of British and U.S. intelligence services such as DNI director Ratcliffe, by the former head of MI-6, by high-level advisors to secretary of state Pompeo and others, and by virologists and researchers at multiple hospitals, as much as they are willing to declassify and discuss publicly. Many say with absolute certainty that the origin came from a Wuhan Lab leak, of a deliberately lab-manipulated virus (i.e., "gain of function" to make a bat virus infect humans) engineered as a Chinese bio-weapon, that got loose and out of control .
And that the Chinese government could have warned the world and prevented its spread out of China, could have contained the outbreak and stopped it within China, but chose to not warn other nations, and let it spread worldwide.
This documentary was produced in Sept 2021, at the time the most severe strain, the "Delta" variant, was still spreading. Luckily since then, the more contagious but less severe "Omicron" variant (Dec 2021-March 2022), and then the current "Omicron 2" strain (spreading for about a month now, beginning April 2022 in the U.S.), have emerged that are much less severe than the previous new variant strains, that give widespread immunity in the world's population, without the fatality rate of the earlier versions. Currently here in Florida, the strain is down to an average 15 deaths per day statewide (the lowest rate in 2 years), and mostly fatal to elderly and immune-compromised people, who are actually dying of previous co-morbid conditions like heart disease, asthma, pre-existing cancer and other immune-compromised conditions, rather than Covid itself.
Even at the peak of the more deadly strains, the CDC admitted on their own website that greater than 94% of Covid deaths in the U.S. were due to pre-existing co-morbid conditions, or termed as "complications related to Covid" and not Covid itself.
I would further like to see, based on the unconstitutional nature of the mandate in the first place, that all employees fired from their jobs should be given their jobs back and be compensated for lost wages for the time they were fired.
Whether policemen, firemen, teachers, military contractors, soldiers, or those employed in private businesses. This would make large employers think twice about playing this kind of pointless hardball ever again with employees. Essentially putting a gun to their heads, saying take the vaccine or lose your job and your career. For a vaccine that was proven months ago to not even work. It may have worked on the original "alpha" strain, but it clearly doesn't work on the Delta or Omicron strains. So it was clearly a purely political move --or political PURGE, of conservatives and moderates who wouldn't just obey. That's what it was really about.
Displacing them, to consolidate Democrat power over those federal and contract branches, replacing them with loyal Democrat-Bolsheviks. And going along with that unconstitutional Biden/Democrat scheme and power play should carry a heavy legal and financial cost, in compensation and legal damages. This is again part of Democrat authoritarian power receding back from its Bolshevik high-water-mark. And thank God for that.
Hopefully the beginning of compensation, for millions nationwide who were fired. When this compensation and reinstatement continues and expands into the private sector, putting a huge and unnecessary dent in corporate profits, I hope it costs many woke CEO's and board members their jobs. Of course, leaders in government positions, as always, will only be promoted and rewarded for the costly expenditures of their Covid-mandate purges, particularly in the Democrat -run federal and state governments. Would that they lost their jobs and careers, and paid a heavy price as well, for what they did to these people.
This narrative has been disproven for over a year, and the Orwellian Newspeak media is till censoring the true facts of the Wuhan virology lab being the source of the outbreak. Despite the smoking-gun e-mails showing that Fauci and his circle KNEW all this from the very beginning. And beyond that Fauci funded and orchestrated the outbreak, even after his superiors in the CDC said viral "gain of function" research was too dangerous and cut off its funding. But Fauci, under Daszak and others, secretly re-started the dangerous gain of function research and funded it under another name in Wuhan.
And when the thing got out of the lab and started a worldwide pandemic, Fauci and his circle (documented in their own e-mails) plotted to create a false narrative that it came from a Wuhan "wet market". And Fauci used his authority as a government health official to censor the reporters and doctors telling the truth as "disinformation" from Facebook, Twitter and the mainstream media.
"Faucism" indeed.
And no one in the Biden administration is even interested in investigating Fauci or China's responsibility in creating this pandemic, or in how they lied and covered it up their direct responsibility, for years. Three years ago now this began, and not the slightest interest by the Democrats in power, in discovering what actually happened. Their only concern is how to weaponize it politically against Republicans, to scapegoat others, and implement censorship and lockdowns as long as they can, to win elections, and to hide self-incriminating facts.
Officials from each of the military services have required all troops to receive a Covid-19 vaccination or risk dismissal from the armed forces, but the courts intervened when religious objectors to the vaccine argued their requests for waivers have not been dealt with fairly. The program has been in limbo since, although new service members must still be vaccinated.
According to the latest data released by the Defense Department, about 3,300 Marines, 1,800 soldiers, 1,800 sailors and 900 airmen have been booted from the ranks for refusing to get vaccinated. The group of 20 GOP senators is demanding a full chamber vote on their proposal to dump the vaccine mandate, reinstate those dismissed troops and award them back pay. The lawmakers did not have any estimates on how many individuals would return to their jobs and how much the provisions would cost.
“Our recruiting goals are way short,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. “”We need more people in the military, not less. And this mandate is going to result in thousands, tens of thousands of able bodied Americans who are well-trained leaving the military because they chose not to get vaccinated.” The lawmakers involved in the anti-vaccine effort argued that because most troops are young and healthy, the vaccine provides little to no value to their long-term fitness.
That doesn't even take into consideration the tens of thousands of soldiers not admitted into the military because they refuse to be vaccinated. Who under these conditions won't even apply. One report I saw said recruiting is down 60,000 below the normal annual recruiting goal. For a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection of a person, doesn't prevent spread to other people, and has resulted in myocarditis and other permanent damage to tens of thousands of men and women under the age of 30. So the Democrat leadership clings to vaccine mantates, despite that there is more risk to those forced to take it from the vaccine, than they risk from getting the disease itself.
According to federal government estimates released last month, nearly 1 in 5 adults who have had COVID-19 in the past were still experiencing at least one symptom of long COVID – fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog, chest pain and headaches among others – as of mid-June. The number jumps to more than 1 in 3 when considering adults who have experienced the condition at any point in the pandemic after COVID-19 infection.
“These patients are sitting at home unable to work, unable to take care of their families,” says Drapeau, who had long COVID after contracting COVID-19 in December 2020. “Debilitated young people having to quit school – and they're faced with very limited options.”
That number could amass into a new wave of chronic illness that will continue to grow with guaranteed implications for the economy as well as health care systems. A Government Accountability Office report published in March found that long COVID has “potentially affected up to 23 million Americans, pushing an estimated 1 million people out of work,” and that number is likely higher now. “Some of those patients are recovering so slow that you’re simply going to have a massive growth, gradual expansion of the total pool of these patients because they're not recovering fast enough compared to the new people added to the pool,” Kogan says. “So we're going to see a continuous, increased demand on our health care systems.”
In fact, one study published in May found that roughly half of people hospitalized with the coronavirus in Wuhan, China, at the start of the pandemic reported symptoms of long COVID two years later. Authors said it was the longest follow-up study to date.
While the study did find that the physical and mental health of the patients improved over time, it still suggested that coronavirus patients have poorer health and quality of life than the general population two years after hospitalization.....
The percentage of adults in the United States experiencing long COVID has decreased, new federal data shows.
In early June 2022, 7.5% of Americans aged 18 and were experiencing long COVID, a condition that occurs when patients still have symptoms at least four weeks after they have cleared the infection. In some cases, symptoms can be experienced for months or years.
By mid-June 2023, that figure had fallen to 6%, according to a new report published Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
However, more than one in four -- 26.4% -- long COVID patients reported significant limitations in their ability to perform day-to-day activities in June 2023. The authors said this percentage has not changed much since the year before.
If that latter headline can be believed. Or likely is part of the over 80% liberal media's "BIDEN 2024" narrative, that everything's better now. The article suspiciously starts with a previous 7.5% reported high of long-Covid cases, that doesn't gel with what was previously reported.
I give more credibility to the 26.4% percentage, buried a few paragraphs into the article, who report being still impaired by long-Covid symptoms. That percentage would have been in the headline, if Trump were re-elected in 2020 and the current president.
Everything Alex Berenson scientifially reported to the public, that he was shunned from the mainstream media for, banned on Facebook and Twitter for, had his book banned from Amazon over, FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS, and STILL shunned for... ...has turned out to be completely true.
And all the geniuses hailed as saints by those same media outlets, and especially on CNN and MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, and Politico, "geniuses" such as Anthony Fauci and Debra Birx, and the other trusted experts at the CDC and NIH... have turned out to have been completely wrong. More than just wrong, DELIBERATELY wrong. Wuhan Covid-19 researchers who privately exchanged e-mails in early 2020 with Fauci, THANKING Fauci for his lies and obfuscation, that delayed discovery of the true origin of Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab and from their secret "gain-of-function" research, lies and obfuscation done to divert public media attention to the false-canard narrative that Covid-19 came from a "wet market" in Wuhan just 2 miles from the Wuhan Research lab, to mislead that it did not come from the lab itself.
And as Fauci was appearing nightly throughout early-mid-late 2020 on CNN, MSNBC and FOX telling us that Covid-19 was "definitely" a naturally evolved virus, and not a lab creation, at that EXACT same time virologists worldwide were privately e-mailing Fauci that it looked to them like a lab-created gain-of-function creation . As Fauci sold the narrative in the media that Covid-19 came from a Chinese "wet market", virologists like Dascak who were NIH-funded to CREATE the Covid-19 virus, BY FAUCI, were privately e-mailing Fauci thanking him for hiding their role in developing Covid-19 in a lab, and thanking Fauci misdirecting the media to the "wet market" narrative.
AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, EVERY DAY, Fauci was on TV in news interviews telling the public the exact opposite of the trutth. Fauci in his e-mails clearly knew it was from the Wuhan lab gain-of-function research that he, Fauci, PERSONALLY orchestrated with secret NIH funding in Wuhan, even after the CDC leadership above him had shut those same 2014 experiments down in the Atlanta CDC offices, as too dangerous to continue. So Fauci just moved the "gain-of-function" research to the Wuhan lab, named it something else in its funding paperwork, continued it anyway, and we all know the result.
How do we know this? Because Judicial Watch made a legal FOIA request for Fauci's NIH e-mails. And when the e-mails were released, documenting all this, there was no further possibility for Fauci to deny it.
All of which builds on the facts I previously posted here, almost exactly 2 years ago, that was already obvious, with the limited facts available even then :
These are doctors, nurses, and researchers who have struggled to provide effective life-saving care for patients, even as they were ordered by their hospitals and the state to provide medicines and therapies that don't work. At the threat of losing their jobs, their medical practice licenses, and their careers if they didn't comply. But many courageously provided that quality care and lost their jobs for it, to defy treatment that was aimed at maximizing profit and following a false narrative, rather than saving lives.
These are highly qualified doctors, and highly published and referenced doctors,highly regarded doctors and surgeons, heads of hospital boards, FOR DECADES, who are not easily dismissed as "conspiracy theorists" or quacks. There's a lot of good information here. The hearings are 5 hours total.
Once again OAN was the only network to broadcast these hearings in their entirety (and re-broadcast them two more times over the last week). The other networks barely, if at all, even mentioned them. Not even on Fox News or Newsmax. Which only diminishes my trust in the latter 2 networks.
Robert Malone two years ago, the inventor it the MRNA technology used in the Covid-19 vaccine and boosters, said the Covid vaccines are not safe, not effective, have too many dangerous side effects, and should be wihdrawn from the market.
Alex Berenson said the exact same thing TODAY.
And they are still being ignored. And the people who caused all this, and enriched themselves in shared royalties on vaccines, and knowingly promoted ineffective and dangerous drugs like Remdesivir (that they ALSO were enriched by promoting and shared profits in) are still hailed as heroes by Democrats and the liberal media, and not held accountable for their profiteering, and for the millions of lives they have damaged and caused to die, worldwide.
I know you have faith in people like Malone but personally somebody that posts a fake video like he did where the parents had to sue to get it taken down isn’t a great source of information. As for Covid, we lucked out on it only being as bad as what it was. Even with that Covid lowered our national life expectancy.
I know you have faith in people like Malone but personally somebody that posts a fake video like he did where the parents had to sue to get it taken down isn’t a great source of information. As for Covid, we lucked out on it only being as bad as what it was. Even with that Covid lowered our national life expectancy.
We've been over Robert Malone's record before. Have YOU invented any mRNA technology in the recent past, M E M ? You just offer Democrat talking points to attack and discredit him, despite that he, Berenson, Atlas and others I've quoted have been consistently right about Covid-19, and the Democrat politicians and Democrat scientists like Fauci and Birx have been consistently wrong.
There were TENS OF THOUSANDS of hospital doctors and nurses who refused to get the vaccine. And they chose to lose their jobs rather than get the vaccine. Because they know medical science and the risks of the Covid vaccine better than anyone. Likewise Malone and Berenson and Atlas. The very guys you manufacure lying talking points to attack, while the Democrats are trying to kill us, and for the last 3 years Biden and the Democrat-Bolsheviks let in millions of Covid-infected illegals, right along with the drug traffickers, the human traffickers, the rapists, murderers, serial killers, drunk drivers, released prisoners and mental patients. No vaccines required. While simultaneously firing millions of Americans in he private business sector, federal, state, couny and city jobs, and U.S. military, just for not getting an MRNA Covid vaccine (that doesn't even work, and is proven to have severe health risks)..And while arresting U.S. citizens for walking outside without a mask in a park, or for gathering at a church service, or gyms or gun shops. Bu the large corporate stores, strip clubs, and marijuana shops remained open. Things the Democrats liked could stay open. Things the Democrats have always wanted to shu down, were shut down. That is not "science", that is very POLITICAL selective enforcement, using Covid as a weapon to do so.
Democrats weaponized it, using lockdowns and firings of the non-vaccinated to consolidate Democrat power. and they were WRONG. PROVEN wrong. And you're still parroting their talking points, 3 years later.
State-run informaion wars propaganda tactic # 1, when someone breaks your Democrat-Bolshevik narrative, de-platform them, slander them relentlessly, so they won't be believed. But 3 years of facts revealed that THEY were right, and the people who discredited and silenced them were wroing. But discrediting and de-plaforming them allowed the Democrat-Bolshevik machine o preserve their narraive as long as possible. Long enough to rig an election, and purge our military, and "woke"-ify it. They tried to create another lockdown through the 2024 electtion and mask us all up again, but at this point even many Democrats have said no fucking way, not again. That's the context of your attack on Malone's credibility. It's a brick in the pyramid of liberal deep state lies. Proven false.
Yes i have talked about Malone’s deception before and because you didn’t like that bit of truth you called me liar. We have different principles and attitudes about propaganda vs science. I don’t expect you to be rational anymore.
Yes i have talked about Malone’s deception before and because you didn’t like that bit of truth you called me liar. We have different principles and attitudes about propaganda vs science. I don’t expect you to be rational anymore.
I'm sorry that the FACTS I presented offend you.
And your desperate attempts to spin it otherwise are just an attempt to smear not just Malone, but anyone who dares to contradict your party's transparently false narrative. Matybe your version of things was halfway believable 3 years ago. But now we have 3 years of facts that have steadily come out disproving your party's false narrative. And at this point the only reason to pretend things are as you allege, is because that version benefits the Democrat-Bolshevik party, and disproving it has hurt he Democrats' credibility. The masks don't work against Covid-19. The Covid vaccine doesn't work. The lockdowns that occurred were ineffective, and known by Fauci and others at CDC would be ineffective, and were implemented anyway, specificaally to benefit the Democrat party and Biden in 2020. Fauci's own e-mails with other doctors worldwide and other CDC officialss, prove he was lying about Covid origins, treatmen and lockdowns, throughout 2020. The vaccine actually has dangerous side effects, and has either permanently disabled or killed tens of thousands of people, and by evidence that I have sourced and cited, actually hundreds of thousands of people. Doctor Robert Malone and dozens of other leading medical scientists, based on that undeniable ruth, have pushed to have the Covid-19 vaccines and boosters withdrawn from the market.
Your answer to that is to attack Robert Malone personally, where in one of thousands of cases Malone cited as proof evidence, the family of that one patient wanted Malone to not use the person's name, even though the case is factual and true. I've already posted the 5-hour hearing hosted by Senator Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin), where Malone and dozens of other highly respected doctors and medical researchers, among the most cited in medical journals, for decades, presented their evidence of he CDC's ineffective Covid-19 treatments that were costing thousands of lives, and presented treatments ha actually do work, and were banned from Facebook and Twitter, and fired form hospitals, after DECADES, just to suppress the true facts.
And ONLY because discrediting them would benefit the Democrat party's false narrative and lockdowns, do you try by any desperate manipulation of the facts to discredit them.
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