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Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-04 11:33 AM
It looks like creepy uncle Joe has won super Tuesday. I'm guessing he will be the Democrat nominee for President. I doubt he could beat Trump even if he picked someone famous as his VP. I won't vote for Joe but I am wondering how could he win.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-04 4:10 PM
 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
It looks like creepy uncle Joe has won super Tuesday. I'm guessing he will be the Democrat nominee for President. I doubt he could beat Trump even if he picked someone famous as his VP. I won't vote for Joe but I am wondering how could he win.


He has the Democrat SuperPac known as the mainstream media helping out for one thing.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 1:03 AM


How do Democrats get behind Joe Biden, a guy who at this point can barely remember his own name?

Biden is little more than a prop, for the Bolshevik hand-wringers who would really run the country, in the hypothetical scenario where Biden could actually get elected.

But keep in mind: the media is 93% anti-Trump in its news coverage. And according to Media Research Center, reached 100% negative coverage during the impeachment hearings.
Newt Gingrich said he was amazed, that a president could have 93% negative coverage and still survive! In point of fact, Trump on any given day of his presidency has been at or several points above where Obama was at the same point in his presidency.
And very important: that was with the media gushingly supporting Obama, the wind at his back.
Vs. the media attacking and tearing down Trump, every single day. AND TRUMP STILL HAS HIGHER APPROVAL NUMBERS THAN OBAMA. That tells you a lot about the diminishing influence of the liberal media.

During the 2016 campaign, all but 2 major newspapers endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Guess who won. Plus every accurate predictor of the 2016 election has already predicted a re-election of Trump in 2020. So that Democrat SuperPac known as the mainstream media doesn't have the same power that it once did.

Thank God.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 4:15 AM
Biden took Michigan. Sanders is underperforming his 2016 numbers. Trump and Putin are having a bad night.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 4:28 AM
I suspect Sanders will stay in the race but losing Michigan is going to make it hard for him and probably a much easier time unifying the party for Biden.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 5:33 AM


Now that Klobuchar, Buttigeig, Beto O'Rourk, Kamala Harris, and Elizabeth Warren have overnight ended their campaigns and (all but Warren) endorsed Biden, as has every partisan agent of the Deep State, Biden is sleep-walking to victory, last Tuesday, and again tonight.

I say it again: It was not Biden who orchestrated that overnight wave of campaign suspensions and Biden endorsements, it isn't Biden who is running this campaign. And it isn't Biden who would be the one running a hypothetical Biden presidency, in the wildcard unlikelihood he should win. It would be the puppetmasters of the Deep State. And I frankly can't imagine there are enough people out there willing to vote for an obviously mentally impaired Biden.

What this primary tells you is that Democrat primary voters are even more terrified of a Bernie Sanders presidency.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 6:16 AM
From what I can tell it’s about picking the candidate who voters think has the best chance of defeating the shit bag. The other candidates knew if they stayed in it would have only allowed a weaker candidate to win the primary. A Sanders win would have been very reminiscent of Trump winning the republican primary. I think g-man is right at least about the potential of Sanders being a drag down ballet too.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 6:53 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
From what I can tell it’s about picking the candidate who voters think has the best chance of defeating the shit bag. The other candidates knew if they stayed in it would have only allowed a weaker candidate to win the primary. A Sanders win would have been very reminiscent of Trump winning the republican primary. I think g-man is right at least about the potential of Sanders being a drag down ballet too.



Again, every time you call Trump a "shitbag", you only prove YOURSELF to be a shitbag.

It's laughable that any of those 2020 Democrats who endorsed Biden can even pretend to believe in him. They mocked Biden mercilessly during the DNC debates. The Republicans are already showing ads with Klobuchar, Julian Castro, Cory Booker, and others belittling him onstage. These soulless pod-people pretending to be human don't believe in Biden, and no thinking person believes they do. They were courted by Biden's handlers and promised cabinet positions in a theoretical Biden presidency.

G-man said it a few days ago, that Biden is going to lose, Biden is just the one selected by the Democrat party handlers as someone who will result in the least down-ballot loss of seats for the Democrat party. A lesser humiliation than Bernie Sanders. But still, a pretty damn humiliating choice.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-11 2:29 PM
Biden happens to be the one that Trump actually feared going up against. He was impeached already for his efforts to try to knock Joe out early by trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation while withholding money needed by that government to fight Russia.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-12 1:01 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Biden happens to be the one that Trump actually feared going up against. He was impeached already for his efforts to try to knock Joe out early by trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation while withholding money needed by that government to fight Russia.


If it was ever true that Biden was the most feared 2020 Democrat candidate, Biden's own self-defeating daily incompetence has certainly disproven that. I love how last night the Republican party released a statement saying how the Democrats have "rallied around the confused Joseph Biden".

Trump was "impeached" by a Democrat-majority House of Representatives that even a few Democrats jumped ship and wouldn't support, a Democrat majority who are so obscenely partisan they would have impeached Trump no matter what the evidence. And if the Democrat Bolsheviks had allowed fair proceedings in the House so the American voters could see it for themselves, they would not have been able to impeach.
Then House Dems kicked it over to the Senate for a trial, where they knew it would be rejected because House Democrats never made a valid case for impeachment. Their priority was to get an impeachment vote before Christmas, never mind assembling evidence to support that vote. It was all a cheap stunt.
SO VERY IMPORTANTLY: President Trump was >>>ACQUITTED<<< by the Senate, so he was never fully impeached!
The case against Trump never had evidence, it was a cheap DNC stunt, and it ultimately fell apart.

As opposed to Bill Clinton, who paid a $60,000 fine, and had his law license taken away due to his perjury, obstruction, and general contempt for the laws he wa sworn to uphold, both as a lawyer and as aa president. And then Clinton was forced to give a $750,000 settlement to Paula Jones for his sexual misconduct.

I guess Senator Robet Menendez (D-NJ) is ALSO "impeached forever" by the lying standard Pelosi and the Democrats hold.
Both Menendez and Trump are "impeached forever" by Pelosi's warped twisting of Constitutional rights and due process, but what escapes her is they were ultimately both ACQUITTED forever.

It's quite clear the kind of Jacobinist French-Revolution-style reign of terror the maniacs of your party would inflict on the country if they were to gain power at any point now, Nov 2020 or any time after. The Democrat party not only needs to be defeated in the 2020 election, it needs to be destroyed, its leadership gone, and completely replaced with new leadership. The nation is not safe until that happens.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-12 2:08 AM
Trump was acquitted by republicans who helped hide the evidence. You can rut in the shit bag’s corruption but even a lot of republicans in polling recognize he did something wrong.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-12 5:34 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Biden happens to be the one that Trump actually feared going up against. He was impeached already for his efforts to try to knock Joe out early by trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation while withholding money needed by that government to fight Russia.


That was before we found out that Joe was going senile.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-12 5:35 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump was acquitted by republicans who helped hide the evidence. You can rut in the shit bag’s corruption but even a lot of republicans in polling recognize he did something wrong.


You again only prove YOURSELF a "shitbag" by insulting the most accomplished president in 50 years. You leap to give a criminal label to Trump, while giving a complete free pass to far more blatant criminality of Democrats, both the Hillary campaign and Obama administration, as well as the IRS, FBI, DOJ , FISA court and CIA, while you strain to allege the slightest questionable action by Trump.

Trump was acquitted by the complete lack of evidence, and the fact that the Democrat-controlled House was in such a rush to vote for a pre-ordained impeachment, no matter what the evidence and clear lack thereof, that they never bothered to make a legitimate factual case for it. Impeachment by the Democrat House was nothing more than a political stunt.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-03-12 5:48 AM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Biden happens to be the one that Trump actually feared going up against. He was impeached already for his efforts to try to knock Joe out early by trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation while withholding money needed by that government to fight Russia.


That was before we found out that Joe was going senile.


Even at his peak the day he entered as a 2020 candidate, Biden was at best the Democrat who would lose to Trump by the smallest margin.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault - 2020-03-27 3:09 PM
Joe Biden Faces Sexual Assault Allegations From A Former Staffer

  • Former Vice President Joe Biden is facing a new sexual assault allegation, from a woman named Tara Reade, who says she has been trying to share her story since 1993 when it allegedly happened. Reade’s allegation comes in the midst of Biden’s surging presidential campaign and is consistent with other stories women have shared about their discomfort with the way Biden has touched them.


Credibly accused...that's how it works, right MEM?
I think a Trump supporter would need to clarify what they considered credible these days.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault - 2020-03-28 5:33 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think a Trump supporter would need to clarify what they considered credible these days.


Nice attempt at a pivot to avoid the hypocrisy
You can’t answer the question because of yours.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault - 2020-03-28 9:03 PM



"Creepy Uncle Joe" Biden and his female accusers topic
http://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1228546#Post1228546



Just feels like a good time to refer back to a previous topic I posted. Where there's plenty of footage of Biden groping and caressing teenage girls and even little girls. Where the girls are clearly repulsed but suffer through his pawings. Where secret service agents avoid bringing their girlfriends into rooms where Biden is, so he won't grab their asses. Where Biden deliberately walks around naked just to make female secret service agents uncomfortable.

"Creepy" doesn't half cover it.
Lol, Trump supporters trying to say what is credible and creepy. Let me know when it exceeds Trump’s
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault - 2020-03-28 9:47 PM



Joe Biden gets sensitivity training. Open - SNL



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Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault - 2020-05-02 12:15 AM
 Originally Posted By: Bill Clinton, 1998

I did not... have... sex... with that woman... Monica Lewinsky...


 Originally Posted By: Joseph Biden, May 1, 2020

I did not... have... sex... with that woman... Tara Reade...



How long before it all collapses?

Astonishing, but it shouldn't be, given the Democrat-Bolshevik nature, all the Democrats who wanted Brett Kavanaugh lynched without a trial 18 months ago, based on absolutely no solid evidence, and multiple women whose allegations against Kavanaugh completely collapsed under the slightest scrutiny.
And then...
These same Democrat House and Senate members have no criticism of Biden under similar allegations, with far more supporting evidence:

1) Reade was a supervisor of interns in Biden's ofice. After the time of her complaint, she was immediately removed as their supervisor, and issolated in a windowless office. Multiple interns and office staff confirm this.

2) Reade immediately told at least 4 friends, neighbors and her mother about the incident where Biden groped and fingered her. One former neighbor who Reade told still plans to vote for Biden, but says Reade told her and Reade isn't a liar. Reade told her mother, who actually called in to Larry King about the incident, and the video of that has been found and played.
3) Reade filed a police report about the assault.

and
4) Biden has a history of creepy groping and hair-smelling of random women, of making female secret service agents uncomfortable , and even little girls.

But I'm sure this is all... perfectly normal!


Lol, you have spent how much time and energy calling all the Trump women accusers liars and not credible? It’s been fun watching Fox play the game too.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Groping Joe Biden - 2020-05-03 2:38 AM
I’m willing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt but the Democrats who didn’t give Kavanaugh the same courtesy look really hypocritical right now.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Groping Joe Biden - 2020-05-03 7:15 AM
People from both sides are guilty of that. I would say allegations shouldn’t be automaticity true or untrue depending on party affiliation. The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment and Biden is running for the highest office. There should be no automatic pass on harassment claims.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Groping Joe Biden - 2020-05-07 6:26 PM


NEW LIBERAL REFRAIN: SO WHAT IF BIDEN DID IT?


 Quote:
by Howard Kurtz


The defense of Joe Biden on the allegations that have disrupted his campaign has gone through some fascinating twists and turns.
At first, in the wake of Tara Reade’s accusation that he sexually assaulted her in 1993, the reaction in media and political circles was largely silence. Reade seemed to come out of nowhere, so there was little need to acknowledge her story.

Many media outlets stuck with silence after the New York Times and Washington Post published their accounts 19 days later. In other outlets, the second reaction was that she was probably not telling the truth -- after all, no Biden Senate staffer could recall her making the charge and no one could find the complaint she says she filed.
As journalists tracked down more people who say Reade told them of the alleged attack -- there are now at least four corroborating witnesses -- the third reaction was that yes, she has more evidence than Christine Blasey Ford, and yes she should be heard, but it’s still a muddle, and besides, Biden went on television and denied it.

But now, in certain quarters, comes the fourth reaction: So what if it’s true?
That is, so what if Biden did it as long as he can help us get rid of Donald Trump?

This is striking because it’s often a media indictment against the president and his supporters, that they’ll deny an allegation, then modify their stance as more evidence emerges, then retreat to “who cares, everybody does it, look at all he’s accomplishing.”
But now some on the left are twisting themselves into pretzel-like shapes to absolve the former vice president.

First, the usual disclaimer: We don’t know what happened 27 years ago, there are holes and contradictions in Reade’s account, and Biden’s denial has been absolute.
But that’s not the case that Linda Hirshman makes in a New York Times op-ed.

A longtime feminist author who’s written a book on sexual harassment, she writes: “I believe Tara Reade. So what’s a girl to do now?”
Rather than engaging in the “nonsense” of denigrating her accusation and witnesses, Hirshman says, “I’ll take one for the team. I believe Ms. Reade, and I’ll vote for Mr. Biden this fall.”

I mean, this is a woman who describes herself as one of the few establishment feminists to argue on behalf of Monica Lewinsky in 1998. Still, “I hate, hate, hate to say the following. Suck it up and make the utilitarian bargain.”

And here comes the rationale: Biden is “likely to do more good for women and the nation than his competition, the worst president in the history of the Republic.”
In other words, we’d take anyone to dump Trump, even if that person once digitally penetrated a young staffer.


Wouldn’t a Biden presidency, she asks, “count for more than the harm done to the victims of abuse?”
Isn’t this, for all the intellectual agonizing, what Bill Clinton’s supporters did in trying to justify his treatment of Lewinsky and other women--to say he was a good, pro-choice president for women?

I get that you have to weigh the totality of any candidate, and that more than a dozen women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct. But this seems like an especially raw calculation.
To be fair, some of the most prominent female liberals in the media, including Maureen Dowd, Ruth Marcus and Michelle Goldberg, have written that they’re troubled by the Reade allegations.

But the politics-trumps-integrity argument is also being made by Martin Tolchin, a former Times correspondent and a founder of the Hill newspaper. In a letter to the editor run by the Times, Tolchin says:
“I don’t want an investigation. I want a coronation of Joe Biden. Would he make a great president? Unlikely. Would he make a good president? Good enough. Would he make a better president than the present occupant? Absolutely.
“I don’t want justice, whatever that may be. I want a win, the removal of Donald Trump from office.”

Marty is obviously entitled to speak his mind, but this is what many Trump supporters think this is what journalists believe -- that they just detest the president and don’t even care whether the Biden accusations are true.

NPR is one of the major news organizations that waited nearly a month to air the allegations, a full week after they were covered by the Times and Washington Post.

Now its public editor, Kelly McBride, is chastising the network for its “lack of urgency”:
“That it took nearly a month to get to air hurts. NPR's silence on the story feeds at least three critical narratives, or perhaps suspicions: 1) NPR preferred Biden over Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination (the story broke before Sanders had dropped out, but barely); 2) NPR is reluctant to tell stories that may help President Donald J. Trump's re-election effort; 3) NPR is hypocritical, covering claims of sexual assault leveled against Republicans, but burying similar accusations against Democrats.”


That demonstrates the value of having an ombudsman. And given the media’s hesitant and ambivalent coverage of the allegations, could anyone be blamed for thinking Kelly McBride is right?

_____________________________________


Howard Kurtz is a Fox News analyst and the host of "MediaBuzz" (Sundays 11 a.m.). He also hosts the MediaBuzzmeter podcast and is the author of "Media Madness: Donald Trump, The Press and the War Over the Truth."



Between
1) Biden's 50 years of corruption from corporate donors and pay-to-play deals for himself, his sons, and his brother, even with the likes of China and Ukraine,
2) Biden's dull-witted incompetence and being wrong on every foreign policy issue for decades,
3) Biden's more recent increasing mental impairment and senility, and
4) Biden's weird behavior with women for decades, hair-smelling, ass-grabbing and flirting with little girls, on which the Tara Reade allegations are just the latest item piled on...

...amid all this, I just don't see Biden making it to the finish line on election day, let alone winning. There is a movement within the DNC to replace him.


In any case, it's Democrat hypocrisy on display:
1) All women who make allegations have to be believed. UNLESS THEY ACCUSE DEMOCRATS, THEN WE IGNORE THEM, OR MAKE JOKES ABOUT THIS BEING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DRAG A 100 DOLLAR BILL THROUGH A TRAILER PARK.
2) In the liberal media, we report every half-baked sexual allegation about a Republican every 30 minutes 24/7 for weeks. But if the same allegations, with much more suporting evidence, are reported about a Democrat, we do our damnedest to treat it dismissively or not report it at all.



Posted By: Matter-eater Man Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-09 5:00 PM
Howard Kurtz or as Trump refers to him Howie, of course ignores a couple of things. Biden unlike Trump only has one woman accusing him of sexual harassment. And that woman less than a year ago had a different story that didn’t involve sexual harassment. She’s probably gotten far more coverage than any one of Trump’s accusers. This during a pandemic that Trump fumbles daily. Both Biden and Trump have been in the public eye for decades. Trump has a long history of sexual harassment, lying and also bragging about it. Biden just doesn’t.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-09 10:09 PM
Kurtz was comparing how democrats handled Kavanaugh vs Biden, not Trump. Nice attempt at deflection
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 5:27 AM
I didn’t see Howie making it that specific. He of course doesn’t go into any of Trump’s many accusers so you could be right. That begs the question why Kurtz stayed away from an equal comparison. I’ve seen enough of his columns to know the answer. He writes to please an audience that views a free and independent press as an enemy to their political party.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 4:14 PM
And if you look Kurtz also misrepresents Reade as having more evidence than Ford.

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford has 4 affidavits backing claim

I get that Kurtz pleases his conservative audience but it’s hard to take him seriously.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 8:09 PM


Howard Kurtz previously worked for the Washington Post and then had a media show on CNN for years, before moving to Fox 4 years ago with a similar media analysis show.
Kurtz has often been blasted by the likes of Ann Coulter for his liberal bias. He's left-of-center, but he at least makes the effort to be objective and hold both sides equally accountable.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 8:36 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I didn’t see Howie making it that specific. He of course doesn’t go into any of Trump’s many accusers so you could be right. That begs the question why Kurtz stayed away from an equal comparison. I’ve seen enough of his columns to know the answer. He writes to please an audience that views a free and independent press as an enemy to their political party.



Most of Trump's accusers clearly have an ideological/political motive of "we have to stop Trump from getting elected", many clearly stated in exactly those words. One a liberal media reporter with a history of making sexual allegations against previous men. Others who said nothing for years while in business with Trump, then only when they didn't get the payoff or renewed contract they wanted only then made allegations, in clearly motivated vindictive payback.
In the case of ex-wife Ivanna Trump, she made allegations and then retracted them, saying in her revised statements that she "felt raped, emotionally". Well, feeling raped emotionally is not rape. She has even met socially with Trump in the White House. But the media lyingly still lists her as one of Trump's 'victims".
And a number of others were just Miss America contestants where Trump walked through the contest dressing room and did nothing to them, but with no assault or actual charges said "he just looked at me creepy" or words to that effect. Again, not examples of assault or inaappropriate contact. But again, the lying media still includes them as "victims" despite that they are not examples of assault or any other crime. They are grouped together by the media with the others to create an illusion of a massive number of accusers of Trump, but in truth anyone can see when examining the details that these are not assaults. When you sift through all the 18 or so "victims" of Trump, once you eliminate the ones who are subjective perception and not even close to sexual assault, when you eliminate the ones with clear monetary or political motive and/or petty revenge on Trump, you maybe get one or two who have something resembling a possible legitimate allegation.
And when you consider the other 16 are petty and illegitimate, the likelihood is that the remaining two with serious examination would fall apart as well.

Likewise in the case of the four women who attacked Brett Kavanaugh. 3 of the 4 easily fell apart, and all 4 have a clear motive of being Democrat-leftists, campaign donors, activists, and currently/formerly DNC operatives. The only one that even approached credibility was Christine Blasey-Ford, but she had huge holes and inconsistencies in her story as well. And I'd like to see all four cross-examined and prosecuted for perjury. They wanted to destroy an innocent man's life, let the punishment fit the crime.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 9:15 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Howard Kurtz or as Trump refers to him Howie, of course ignores a couple of things. Biden unlike Trump only has one woman accusing him of sexual harassment. And that woman less than a year ago had a different story that didn’t involve sexual harassment. She’s probably gotten far more coverage than any one of Trump’s accusers. This during a pandemic that Trump fumbles daily. Both Biden and Trump have been in the public eye for decades. Trump has a long history of sexual harassment, lying and also bragging about it. Biden just doesn’t.



Uh, there are at least 7 previous women who have accused Biden of touching them in a n uninvited creepy, sexual and inappropriate way. Jessie Watters on his show last night went through the list on Watters' World.

And regarding Tara Reade getting "more coverage", apparently you never heard of Stormy Daniels. Aside from Daniels herself, her lawyer Avennatti (a k a, "creepy porn lawyer") himself was interviewed wellover 100 times on CNN. And in addition on MSNBC and the other liberal media channels.

Even in the case of Christine Blasey-Ford, the lying accuser of Kavanaugh given the most media legitimacy despite no supporting evidence, where not even her friends would verify her story, there is nothing verifying her story.
As compared to Tara Reade, where she told at least 4 people and her mother about Biden's attack on her. There is a videotaped phone call from Reade's mother to Larry King's CNN show talking about her daughter's assault and her inability to get anyone to take the assault seriously in the Senate, short of going to the press.
Where a California newspaper unearthed a court testimony transcript where Reade's ex-husband in divorce proceedings in 1996 let on that Tara REade had told him about a sexual assault she endured while working in Senator Biden's office.
Where multiple interns that Tara Reade was supervisor for said Reade was their supervisor, until she was abruptly removed and banished to a corner office. Where Reade was clearly an employee of Biden's, was clearly removed from her regular duties at the time of the incident, and negotiated some kind of end to her employment as a result of no one taking the the assault seriously.

As compared to Blasey-Ford where no one can confirm that she ever even met Kavanaugh, let alone that the two were ever even alone together, or that there was any witness to anything resembling a sexual assault. Blasey-Ford can't remember the day she alleges the attack occurred, the house where it allegedly occurred, how she arrived, how she got home, any witnesses. But her we have to believe, no questions asked!
And Tara Reade is treated dismissively, despite far more supporting evidence.
Like Bill Clinton's accusers are ignored.
And JFK's , RFK's, Ted Kennedy's.
Like the current date-rapist Lieutenant governor of Georgia, and the Klan-robed governor.

I see a pattern here. If the accused is a Republican and it can be weaponized against them, we are to believe them. If the accused is a Democrat, it is selectively not covered as long as possible, and covered minimally and dismissively, if covered at all.

There is no interest by Democrats in actually protecting women, only in weaponizing allegations. If the accused is a Democrat, the DNC protects the Democrat, not the woman, and further tries to discredit and destroy the woman.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-10 10:22 PM
Ford as I cited had 4 people that she had spoken to in the past about Kavanaugh raping her. Reade apparently has 4 people now too but last year she had a different story that she said didn’t involve sexual assault. She is also a big Bernie Sanders supporter. I do not know if she is lying but I do highly suspect you would be calling her a liar like you have every time for Trump if the accusations were aimed at him.

And there is a difference between what Biden has been accused of previously that he has acknowledged and apologized for so no unlike Trump Biden doesn’t have multiple women accusing him of criminal rape. Nor has he bragged about being so powerful that he could just grab women’s pussies. Nor did Biden have to pay a former wife millions of dollars and have her sign a non disclosure agreement after she gave a deposition describing him violently pulling her hair out. That’s your guy.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-11 3:15 PM
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-11 5:30 PM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man


Fake quotes that I sincerely don’t see as being true. On the other hand I do not have to make up quotes for Trump or a history that includes a large and still growing group of women that have accused him of everything from sexual harassment to rape.

Reade has a right to be heard like Ford was. As well as Trump’s 20 some accusers will probably get a chance to be heard again. Voters can asses.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-11 5:38 PM
And to be clear, if Biden wins and democrats hold the house and take control of the senate any of the Supreme Court nominees should be held to the same standard as Kavanaugh was if there are claims of rape.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-11 11:16 PM


You don't see that Mika Brzezinski is a complete Democrat yes-woman and puppet of the Democrat/Left, who parrots Democrat talking points on any given day, and literally parrots Joe Scarbporough every day? There's a reason no one watches their show. It's complete propaganda, devoid of any information whatssoever, and they've been busted multiple times in their lies and false hyperbolic conspiracy theories. On any other netwwork, that show would have been cancelled for low ratings and irresponsible disinformation a long time ago.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
And to be clear, if Biden wins and democrats hold the house and take control of the senate any of the Supreme Court nominees should be held to the same standard as Kavanaugh was if there are claims of rape.


"If Biden wins".
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Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. There is zero enthusiasm for Biden. His negatives and the lack of Democrat voter enthusiasm is far below even the lukewarm support for Hillary. He is corrupt ( #JoeChina ), mentally impaired, and has a long history of creepy behavior toward women.

The claims against Kavanaugh are baseless and disproven, to everyone but the most committed propagandists of the Democrat/Left.

And likewise, I've been through the specious list of allegations against Trump, that are clearly motivated by either revenge or who made it clear in 2016 they were Democrats and their allegations were motivated by their ideology as committed Democrat Bolsheviks.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-12 5:45 AM
Well after Trump won last time I certainly wouldn’t predict he couldn’t win again but I think he’s proven to be as unfit for the office that I feared he would be. Historically he could be Viewed as the next Hoover. A one term president remembered for being impeached and leaving the country in far worse shape than since the Great Depression.

As for conservatives putting fake words into liberal mouths and saying that’s the truth, not worth my time for what should be obvious reasons.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-12 9:19 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Well after Trump won last time I certainly wouldn’t predict he couldn’t win again but I think he’s proven to be as unfit for the office that I feared he would be. Historically he could be Viewed as the next Hoover. A one term president remembered for being impeached and leaving the country in far worse shape than since the Great Depression.

As for conservatives putting fake words into liberal mouths and saying that’s the truth, not worth my time for what should be obvious reasons.


And by "unfit" you mean Trump did far more to protect the nation than any of his Democrat opponents.
Democrat opponents (Rep. Pelosi, Gov.Cuomo, Mayor Deblasio) who openly encouraged people to go to crowd events and get infected, and then blamed Trump for the outbreaks resulting from their negligence, not Trump's.

The "unfit" Donald Trump suspended all Chinese flights on Jan 31st, preventing 20,000 Chinese travelers a day from entering the U.S., an estimated 420,000 in the month the outbreak peaked. In doing so, Trump opposed the recommendations of Dr. Fauci (NIH) and Dr. Redfield (CDC) when he set in place the ban. Obama and Hillary would have allowed the massive influx to continue, our hospitals would have been overwhelmed, and millions would be dead. Biden and other Democrats called Trump's decision "racist" and "over-reaction". It's quite clear they would not have acted similarly to protect the nation.
*Or* secured against further outbreak from occurring on our southern border.
*Or* would Democrats have spent a year in trade war with China, that vastly reduced our dependency on an infected shut-down China, and then a China that even after resuming production withheld and bought up the world stocks of medical PPE equipment to price-gouge the entire world. And further threatened to withold both PPE and pharmaceuticals, maliciously threatening to drown the U.S. in "a mighty sea of coronavirus."

Trump also didn't pimp his son out to China on Air Force Two when he flew to China, soliciting China to give sweetheart kickback deals to his son in the form of a $1.5 billion investment deal, and a sweet commission to Hunter Biden of at least 20 million from the People's Bank of China.

You tell me, who is obviously "unfit".

It would be worst-case-scenario with this outbreak if the Democrats were in charge. Now, or at any time in the future. If you would just process the obvious facts in front of you, you would see this.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-13 5:10 PM
Unfit as in continued lying about testing. There has been an over all lack of candor in his comments. Experts are drowned out in all his garbage talk. Unfit in trying to falsely blame others for his mistakes. Unfit for having put out guidelines for re-opening the country and now partisanly attacking governors that follow those guidelines.

Obama had a pandemic plan that would have had the federal government moving faster than what happened here. Trump left it on the shelf and was slow making key decisions that were called for. Hateful partisan bitches can polish the Trump turd all they want but people outside the cult don’t buy it.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-13 5:42 PM
Just yesterday I saw Trump blaming democrats for opening up slowly in an attempt to hurt his re-election chances. While Governors are dealing with this pandemic and making life and death decisions with their economies crushed they’ve had to handle Trump attacks. Trump will never be considered a good leader WB because this is who he is. The country is in the middle of a historic crisis and instead of leading we get lies and divisive attacks from Trump.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-14 1:07 AM



List of officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn released:
Joe Biden, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Obama's chief of staff Denis McDonough among them


 Quote:


The list revealed that then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power made unmasking requests seven times between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 11, 2017. The list revealed that Clapper made three requests from Dec. 2, 2016 through Jan. 7, 2017; and that Brennan made two requests, one on Dec. 14 and one on Dec. 15, 2016. Comey also made a request on Dec. 15, 2016. On Jan. 5, 2017, McDonough made one request, and on Jan. 12, 2017, Biden made one request.

The day McDonough requested the information is the same day as an Oval Office meeting that has drawn scrutiny in the wake of the Flynn developments. The meeting included Obama, Biden, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, then-National Security Adviser Susan Rice and then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates.

That meeting was the first time Yates learned about Flynn's calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, according to notes from her special counsel interview which were released last week. Yates, in her interview, indicated Obama was aware of Flynn’s intercepted December 2016 phone calls with Kislyak during the presidential transition period.

After the briefing, Obama asked Yates and Comey to "stay behind," and said he had "learned of the information about Flynn" and his conversation with Russia's ambassador about sanctions. Obama "specified that he did not want any additional information on the matter, but was seeking information on whether the White House should be treating Flynn any differently, given the information.”

That Oval Office meeting aligns with an email that Rice — on Jan. 20, 2017, the day President Trump was sworn into office — sent herself documenting Obama’s guidance, evidently in the same meeting, about how law enforcement should investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race.

“President Obama began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the intelligence and law enforcement communities ‘by the book,’” Rice emailed to herself. “The president stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book.”

The email also appeared to reflect Obama’s guidance on sharing sensitive information with both the Russians and the incoming Trump administration.

Rice wrote that Obama said, “he wants to be sure that, as we engage with the incoming team, we are mindful to ascertain if there is any reason that we cannot share information fully as it relates to Russia.”

Meanwhile, the unmasking documents come just a day after Biden initially told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” that he knew “nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn,” and called the topic a “diversion” from the coronavirus pandemic.




I wonder when M E M and the other zealots of the Democrat/Left will admit how dirty their side is, and that this is by far the greatest scandal in American political history.


The amazing thing is, with Biden not only being wrong on every foreign policy issue of the last 30 years (according to former defense secretary Robert Gates), not only being a gaffe machine, not only him and his family earning tens of millions on corrupt lobbyist/campaign finance deals selling his political office, including to China and Ukraine, among countless other corrupt sellouts to Amtrack, MBNA and others.
And in spite of this, the zombies of the Democrat/Left will insanely still vote for Biden as the candidate!

But this will at least shave some more zombies away from the Bolshevik pack.

And even before this was announced today, Biden was at only 54% support within his own party, and 23% of Democrats don't support Biden and want another Democrat nominee.
Those numbers might crater below 50% support after this revelation.


I shit on the integrity of the Democrat party. They are every bit as treacherous as the Bolsheviks and Maoists they adore and emulate. And I've often quoted here the Obama officials who openly praise marxists unapologetically. Those include Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Obama-appointed officials Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, Anita Dunn, Cass Sunstein, and Ron Bloom. Those are only the ones I know of.

That alone is a lot of marxists in one administration.
oh, and of course unmasker John Brennan.



Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-14 1:13 AM
Lol, so a Trump political appointee unmasked others who requested someone to be unmasked? I think you pooped your pants a liiitttle to quick.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden 2020 - 2020-05-14 1:14 AM


 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I deny reality !!
Posted By: Pariah Quid Pro Joe - 2020-05-21 4:36 AM
It hardly matters in the grand scheme of the election, and the inevitable character dissection that will ensue as a result, since Joe is going to be replaced soon, but this is...delicious.









Supposing Biden did get into office, MEM would unquestionably demonstrate true integrity by calling for his immediate impeachment. I absolutely believe that. Absolutely...
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Biden 2020 - 2020-05-21 6:03 AM
Biden in the polls

Posted By: the G-man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-21 3:59 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man


Note to self. Dig up MEM’s posts from 2016 about Hillary in the polls
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-21 4:45 PM
Yep polls can change and your boy Trump might be able to pull another win via electoral college. That said if the polls were reversed your side would consider that as worth citing.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-21 9:41 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yep polls can change and your boy Trump might be able to pull another win via electoral college. That said if the polls were reversed your side would consider that as worth citing.


Considering the history of undercounting Trump support a good poll for him would be a great poll for anyone else so, yeah, it might be more newsworthy.

Still, I think you'll find as often as not over the years when I've mentioned polls in an election it's been with, at best, a grain of salt.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 1:30 AM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man


Note to self. Dig up MEM’s posts from 2016 about Hillary in the polls



\:lol\:

Yeah, it strains credibility that with Donald Trump's accomplishments in his first 4 years, greater thaan Reagan's up to the same point, with an economy better than any president in 50 years, better than Reagan, better than Clinton, better than W. Bush, better than Obama, that he would be dragging behind any Democrat contender in the polls.
Let alone behind, of all people, the perpetually confused and bufoonish Joe Biden.
"Joe China".
"Creepy Joe."
"Quid Pro quo" Joe.

It strains credibility. And I suspect liberal pollsters are just doing what they always do, over-sampling the ratio of Democrats, to make it appear the Democrat side has more support than they truly do.
Only about 60% of Biden's own party even supports him as a candidate. Enthusiasm for Joe is probably low, even in that group. At least 26% of his own party in the last poll wants another Democrat nominee, and are therefore not likely to turn out for Biden in November.
Even campaign contributions for Biden in April are down 90% below what they were the month prior.

Whereas Trump has over 90% support within his own party, the most of any Republican since at least Reagan.

So the liberal media has rigged the polls again, just like they always do. A year before the 1988 election, polls showed G H W Bush would lose to Dukakis by 16%. When the electiuon actually happened, Bush Sr won in a landslide.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 1:33 AM
There isn’t much of a history is there? The polls for 2016 were not that far off with Clinton still winning the popular vote. I certainly wouldn’t buy into any thinking that Trump is doomed because of the polling though either.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 1:50 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
There isn’t much of a history is there? The polls for 2016 were not that far off with Clinton still winning the popular vote. I certainly wouldn’t buy into any thinking that Trump is doomed because of the polling though either.


As we've discussed before, there are at least 3 million illegal voters just in California. That's more than the margin of Hillary Clinton's 2.8 million-vote "victory" right there.
As we've discussed prior, True The Vote found 7 million illegally registered voters, in just 28 of the 50 states they investigated. For which Obama's IRS politically targeted them.

Democrats "win" elections by rigging them, and anyone who tries to eliminate that corruption is accused of being "racist". Hillary didn't win, she cheated, she just didn't cheat enough to rig and win the electoral vote as well.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Quid Pro Joe - 2020-05-22 2:31 AM
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
It hardly matters in the grand scheme of the election, and the inevitable character dissection that will ensue as a result, since Joe is going to be replaced soon, but this is...delicious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYUDOFT36mA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3qpvod1q5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNG5_csXTSI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPVPBNGH2HA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaE9OZ89bnQ


Supposing Biden did get into office, MEM would unquestionably demonstrate true integrity by calling for his immediate impeachment. I absolutely believe that. Absolutely...


\:lol\:
Yeah, don't hold your breath. The Democrat/Left doesn't have much use for actual facts that contradict their official lying narrative that advances their party's interests.

Those are some valuable links, exposing what the liberal media refuses to report, even as they continue to advance the lying narrative that Trump is a "Russian asset", despite its being thoroughly disproven by a 9-month FBI investigation, by a House intelligence investigation, a Senate intelligence investigation, by the Mueller special investigation (even made up of 17 Democrat party donors and partisans), by the failed Jan 2020 impeachment, and the current pending exoneration of Michael Flynn, as well as the internal e-mails of the Obama administration officials, that continue to be de-classified and released and expose just how corrupt they were, and are.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 2:48 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
There isn’t much of a history is there? The polls for 2016 were not that far off with Clinton still winning the popular vote. I certainly wouldn’t buy into any thinking that Trump is doomed because of the polling though either.


As we've discussed before, there are at least 3 million illegal voters just in California. That's more than the margin of Hillary Clinton's 2.8 million-vote "victory" right there.
As we've discussed prior, True The Vote found 7 million illegally registered voters, in just 28 of the 50 states they investigated. For which Obama's IRS politically targeted them.

Democrats "win" elections by rigging them, and anyone who tries to eliminate that corruption is accused of being "racist". Hillary didn't win, she cheated, she just didn't cheat enough to rig and win the electoral vote as well.



Your willingness to trash the other side with accusations don’t make those accusations reality. I have no illusions of you being better than this either.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 7:06 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
There isn’t much of a history is there? The polls for 2016 were not that far off with Clinton still winning the popular vote. I certainly wouldn’t buy into any thinking that Trump is doomed because of the polling though either.


As we've discussed before, there are at least 3 million illegal voters just in California. That's more than the margin of Hillary Clinton's 2.8 million-vote "victory" right there.
As we've discussed prior, True The Vote found 7 million illegally registered voters, in just 28 of the 50 states they investigated. For which Obama's IRS politically targeted them.

Democrats "win" elections by rigging them, and anyone who tries to eliminate that corruption is accused of being "racist". Hillary didn't win, she cheated, she just didn't cheat enough to rig and win the electoral vote as well.



Your willingness to trash the other side with accusations don’t make those accusations reality. I have no illusions of you being better than this either.



No, the supporting facts make those accusations reality.

I've never seen such brazen lawbreaking as in Obama's White House, and including Democrat zealots in every federal agency (FBI, DOJ, IRS, State Dept, National Security Council, U.N.ambassador, Yovanovich and others in our embassies, CIA, NSA, and possibly including the CDC and NIH, as Fauci and Redfield's ties to the Clintons, Soros, Bill Gates and other globalist conspirators are becoming known).
And that's because despite how brazen and overwhelming the evidence is, when they committed these crimes in 2016, they (Comey, McCabe, Clapper, Brennan, others in the FBI and DOJ, the DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and now because of Sally Yates' January 5 2017 memo notes and others supporting documents, it's now known to include Obama himself and then V.P. Joseph Biden. )
Their memos outline a plan to set up and either disgrace or falsely imprison Michael Flynn in January 2017, to prevent Flynn discovering their criminal authoritarian schemes in the preceding 12 months of 2016. They attempted to do the same to Flynn's assistant K.T. McFarland, only she had a good lawyer, so the FBI couldn't trick her into signing a plea-bargain confession for crimes she didn't commit, and couldn't make her flip to follow the FBI's perjurious script to indict Trump.

Now it's all blowing up in their faces. In spite of Democrat criminality and obstruction, the truth is gradually coming out. New FBI director Christopher Wray has also done his best to stonewall the investigation for the last 3 years since Comey's firing. Thanks to acting DNI director Richard Grenell, more has been revealed in the last 3 weeks than in the previous 3 years of FBI/DOJ/Democrat obstruction.

And just today, Ukraine's government (cleaning up their own corruption) indicted Joseph Biden in absentia for his part in getting the prosecutor there fired with threatened extortion of witholding $1 billion in U.S. aid if the prosecutor investigation of corrupt son Hunter Biden was not fired.

The documentation and indictments are there or pending, you just absolutely refuse to acknowledge it.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 1:22 PM




How Russiagate Began With Obama’s Iran Deal Domestic Spying Campaign


 Quote:
by Lee Smith, tabletmaag.com


Barack Obama warned his successor against hiring Michael Flynn. It was Nov. 10, 2016, just two days after Donald Trump upset Hillary Clinton to become the 45th president of the United States. Trump told aide Hope Hicks that he was bewildered by the [exiting] president [Obama's] warning. Of all the important things Obama could have discussed with him, the outgoing commander in chief wanted to talk about Michael Flynn.

The question of why Obama was so focused on Flynn is especially revealing now. The Department of Justice recently filed to withdraw charges against the retired three-star general for making false statements to the FBI in a Jan. 24, 2017, interview regarding a phone call with a Russian diplomat. The circumstances surrounding the call and subsequent FBI interview have given rise to a vast conspiracy theory that was weaponized to imprison a decorated war hero and a strategic thinker whose battlefield innovations saved countless American lives. There is no evidence that Flynn “colluded” with Russia, and the evidence that Flynn did not make false statements to the FBI has been buried by the bureau, including current Director Christopher Wray.

So if the Obama administration wasn’t alarmed by Flynn’s nonexistent ties to Russia, why was he Obama’s No. 1 target? Why were officials from the previous administration intercepting his phone calls with the Russian ambassador?

The answer is that Obama saw Flynn as a signal threat to his legacy, which was rooted in his July 2015 nuclear agreement with Iran -—the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).
Flynn had said long before he signed on with the Trump campaign that it was a catastrophe to realign American interests with those of a terror state. And now that the candidate he’d advised was the new president-elect, Flynn was in a position to help undo the deal.

To stop Flynn, the outgoing [Obama] White House ran the same offense it used to sell the Iran deal—they smeared Flynn through the press as an agent of a foreign power, spied on him, and leaked classified intercepts of his conversations to reliable echo-chamber allies.

In March 2017, after seeing evidence of the Obama administration’s surveillance of Trump associates, Congressman Devin Nunes said [the surveillaance] had nothing to do with Russia or the FBI’s ongoing Russia investigation, or similar Russia probes conducted by congressional committees. Nunes’ contention was difficult to make sense of at the time. Wasn’t everything about Russia and whether or not there was, as Congressman Adam Schiff said, more than circumstantial evidence of collusion?

In fact, as Trump prepared to take office after his 2016 upset victory, the Obama White House was focused on the Middle East. “Russia collusion” was the narrative that Hillary Clinton operatives seeded in the media and fed to the FBI to obtain a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. After the election, the Obama team took it over and used it to hobble the incoming administration.

That Obama has publicly criticized the Justice Department’s decision to withdraw its case against the retired general shows how personal the anti-Flynn campaign still is for the former president. In leaking his supposedly off-hand comments to Michael Isikoff, a journalist whose work was central in pushing the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory, Obama was effectively taking credit for pushing the larger anti-Trump operation that grew out of the anti-Flynn campaign. While the Russia collusion story was a handy instrument for many to advance all manner of personal and political interests, for Obama the purpose of Russiagate was simple and direct: to protect the Iran deal, and secure his legacy.

Obama and his foreign policy team were hardly the only people in Washington who had their knives out for Michael Flynn. Nearly everyone did, especially the FBI. As former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s spy service, and a career intelligence officer, Flynn knew how and where to find the documentary evidence of the FBI’s illegal spying operation buried in the agency’s classified files—and the FBI had reason to be terrified of the new president’s anger.

The United States Intelligence Community (USIC) as a whole was against the former spy chief, who was promising to conduct a Beltway-wide audit that would force each of the agencies to justify their missions. Flynn told friends and colleagues he was going to make the entire senior intelligence service hand in their resignations and then detail why their work was vital to national security. Flynn knew the USIC well enough to know that thousands of higher-level bureaucrats wouldn’t make the cut.

Flynn had enemies at the very top of the intelligence bureaucracy. In 2014, he’d been fired as DIA head. Under oath in February of that year, he told the truth to a Senate committee -—ISIS was not, as the president [Obama] had said, a “JV team.” They [ISIS] were a serious threat to American citizens and interests and were getting stronger. Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Michael Vickers then summoned Flynn to the Pentagon and told him he was done.

“Flynn’s warnings that extremists were regrouping and on the rise were inconvenient to an administration that didn’t want to hear any bad news,” says former DIA analyst Oubai Shahbandar. “Flynn’s prophetic warnings would play out exactly as he’d warned [the ISIS invasion of Iraq in 2014] shortly after he was fired.”



Flynn’s firing appeared to be an end to one of the most remarkable careers in recent American intelligence history. He made his name during the Bush administration’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, where soldiers in the field desperately needed intelligence, often collected by other combat units. But there was a clog in the pipeline -—the Beltway’s intelligence bureaucracy, which had a stranglehold over the distribution of intelligence.

Flynn described the problem in a 2010 article titled “Fixing Intel: A Blueprint for Making Intelligence Relevant in Afghanistan,” co-written with current Deputy National Security Adviser Matt Pottinger. “Moving up through levels of hierarchy,” they wrote, “is normally a journey into greater degrees of cluelessness.” Their solution was to cut Washington out of the process: Americans in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan needed that information to accomplish their mission.

“What made Flynn revolutionary is that he got people out in the field,” says Shahbandar, who served in Iraq under Flynn in 2007-08 and in Afghanistan in 2010-11. “It wasn’t just enough to have intelligence, you needed to understand where it was coming from and what it meant. For instance, if you thought that insurgents were going to take over a village, the first people who would know what was going would be the villagers. So Flynn made sure we knew the environment, the culture, the people.”

Influential senior officers like Gens. David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal credited Flynn for collecting the intelligence that helped defeat al-Qaida in Iraq in 2007.
In 2012, he was named DIA chief.
The next year he secured access for a team of DIA analysts to scour through the documents that had been captured during the 2011 operation to kill Osama bin Laden.

“The bin Laden database was unorganized,” says a former senior DIA official. “There had been very little work on it since it was first captured. The CIA had done machine word searches to identify immediate threats, but they didn’t study it for future trends or strategic insight.” Flynn arranged for a team from United States Central Command, based in Tampa, Florida, to come up to Washington. The subject of their investigation was a potentially sensitive one. “We were looking for ties between al-Qaida and Iran,” says Michael Pregent, a former Army intelligence officer who was working on the bin Laden documents as a contractor. “We’re arguing with everyone -—NSA, whoever else-— telling them what we wanted and they kept saying ‘there’s nothing there, we already went through it.’ The CIA and others were looking for immediate threats. We said ‘we’re DIA, we’re all-source analysts and we want everything to get a full picture.’”

Just as the CENTCOM team was preparing for their trip to Northern Virginia, they were shut down. “Everything was set,” says Pregent. “we had our hotel reservations, a team of translators, and access to all of the drives at the National Media Exploitation Center. Then I get a call in the middle of one of the NCAA basketball tournament games from the guy who was running our team. He said that [CIA Director John] Brennan and [National Security Adviser Susan] Rice pulled the plug.”

The administration was, it appears, clearing space for Obama to implement his big foreign policy idea -—the Iran nuclear deal. Another aide, Ben Rhodes, had said in 2013 that the Iran Deal was the White House’s key second-term initiative. Evidence that Tehran was coordinating with a terror group that had slaughtered thousands in Manhattan and at the Pentagon would make it harder to convince American lawmakers of the wisdom in legitimizing Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

What was the information about al-Qaida’s ties to Iran that Flynn wanted his CENTCOM team to get out?
According to published news reports, the bin Laden database included “letters about Iran’s role, influence, and acknowledgment of enabling al-Qaida operatives to pass through Iran as long as al-Qaida did its dirty work against the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.” One of those letters showed that “Al-Qaeda was working on chemical and biological weapons in Iran.”

After decades of anti-Iran campaigning, Republicans were expected to oppose Obama’s deal, but didn’t have the numbers to stop it in the Senate. What concerned the White House therefore was their own party. Senior Democrats on Capitol Hill were uneasy about the deal, as were large numbers of Jewish voters -—more than half of whom identify as Democrats.

Jewish organizations offered two major objections to the deal: First, the outlines of Obama’s nuclear deal suggested that it might legalize [an Iranian nuclear] bomb [capability] pointed at the Jewish state. Second, in striking an agreement with Iran, the White House might normalize relations with a regime that embodies anti-Semitism.

In return, Obama confronted Iran Deal skeptics in his own party with a hard choice —-either support the deal, or you’re out. There would be no room in the Democratic Party for principled disagreement over the keystone of Obama’s foreign policy legacy. Opponents were portrayed in harsh, uncompromising terms: They had been bought off, or were warmongers, or Israel-firsters.



In a meeting of Senate Democrats in early 2015, Obama had his eye on New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez when he spoke of pressures “from donors and others” to reject the deal. Menendez was offended. He said he’d “worked for more than 20 years to curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions and had always been focused on the long-term implications.”

The way that Obama framed it, it was only the money laid out against the initiative by lobbyists and donors that kept Americans from seeing how excellent his deal truly was. “If people are engaged, eventually the political system responds,” Obama told Jon Stewart. “Despite the money, despite the lobbyists, it still responds.”

Obama kept talking about money, donors, and lobbyists as if a secret cabal was tossing bags of dark foreign cash around Washington. What he was referring to was the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) -—an American organization run by American Jews to promote America’s alliance with its most important Middle East ally.

AIPAC’s leadership trusted Obama to do the right thing. They described him as a great friend of Israel and assured themselves he wouldn’t put the Jewish state in danger by giving the bomb to a regime that regularly called for its destruction. But Obama didn’t trust AIPAC or the capacity of the American people to recognize the excellence of the Iran deal, which is why he kept the deal and its contents hidden from public view for as long as possible.

In 2012, the administration began secret negotiations with Iran. At the same time, the administration called off a multi-agency task force targeting the billion-dollar criminal enterprise run by Iran’s Lebanese ally, Hezbollah.
The administration told Congress that the nuclear deal would not grant Iran access to the U.S. financial system, but a 2018 Senate report showed how the Obama White House lied to the public and was secretly trying to grant Iran that access. The Obama administration had misled Congress about secret deals it made regarding verification procedures, and then secretly shipped $1.7 billion in cash for Iran to distribute to its terror proxies.

The administration’s promise that the deal would prevent Iran from ever getting a bomb was validated by their communications infrastructure: The messaging campaign brought together friendly journalists, newly minted arms-control experts, social media stars, and progressive advocacy groups like the regime-friendly National Iranian American Council (NIAC). As Obama’s top national security communications lieutenant Ben Rhodes told The New York Times: “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”

One strategy employed by Rhodes’ echo chamber assets was to engage critics in esoteric debates over details of the Iran deal. For instance, how many centrifuges would Iranian reactors be allowed to spin? Had Iran’s supreme leader declared a genuine fatwa against nuclear weapons? Was this or that nuclear site a military facility?

Among the handful of honest reporters covering the deal, most didn’t have enough information, time, or energy to continue fighting a wall of static noise. And that was the point of Obama’s media campaign -—to drown out, smear, and shut down opponents and even skeptics.
Thus, echo chamber allies purposefully obscured the core issue. The nature of the agreement was made plain in its “sunset clauses.” The fact that parts of the deal restricting Iran’s activities were due to expire beginning in 2020 until all restrictions were gone and the regime’s nuclear program was legal, showed that it was a phony deal. Obama was simply bribing the Iranians with hundreds of billions of dollars in sanctions relief and hundreds of billions more in investment to refrain from building a bomb until he was safely gone from the White House, when the Iranian bomb would become someone else’s problem. The Obama team thought that even the Israelis wouldn’t dream of touching Iran’s nuclear program so long as Washington vouchsafed the deal. They called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “chickenshit.”

If Obama was just kicking the can down the road, why did he expend so much effort to get the deal? How was it central to his legacy if it was never actually intended to stop Iran from getting the bomb? Because it was his instrument to secure an even more ambitious objective —-to reorder the strategic architecture of the Middle East.

Obama did not hide his larger goal. He told a biographer, New Yorker editor David Remnick, that he was establishing a geopolitical equilibrium “between Sunni, or predominantly Sunni, Gulf states and Iran.” According to The Washington Post’s David Ignatius, another writer Obama used as a public messaging instrument, realignment was a “great strategic opportunity” for a “a new regional framework that accommodates the security needs of Iranians, Saudis, Israelis, Russians and Americans.”

The catch to Obama’s newly inclusive “balancing” framework was that upgrading relations with Iran would necessarily come at the expense of traditional partners targeted by Iran -—like Saudi Arabia and, most importantly, Israel. Obama never said that part out loud, but the logic isn’t hard to follow: Elevating your enemy to the same level as your ally means that your enemy is no longer your enemy, and your ally is no longer your ally.

Obama demonstrated to Jerusalem the gravity of his intentions every time an administration official leaked reports of Israeli raids on Hezbollah and other Iranian allies in Syria and Lebanon. That put the Israelis on the defensive, and also showed the Iranians that Obama could and would bring Israel to heel. Therefore, Tehran should trust him.

“Obama wants this as the centerpiece of his legacy,” an American diplomat told the press in Vienna where Secretary of State John Kerry and his team came to terms with the Islamic Republic. “He sees himself as a transformative president in the Reagan mold,” said a former Obama adviser, “who leaves his stamp on America and the world for decades to come.”

For all of Obama’s talk of money and lobbies, he was himself creating a large international constituency for the deal. Sanctions on Iran had kept foreign companies out of the country for decades, but the promise of new markets for major industries, like energy and automotive, had European and Asian industry chomping at the bit. The American president not only promised to relieve sanctions, but also to help drum up business by assuring the world that it was safe to invest in Iran. John Kerry was keen to turn the State Department into Iran's Chamber of Commerce.

Obama’s talk of the pro-Israel lobby only got louder as his negotiators came closer to striking the deal. He was talking about the Jews, and to them. If they didn’t back the deal, the sewers would spill over with traditional anti-Semitic conceits about Jewish money and influence, dual loyalties, Jews leveraging their home country on behalf of their co-religionists, and fomenting war. This wasn’t a fringe White nationalist figure, but a popular two-term Democrat. John Kerry said it outright: If Congress failed to pass the deal, it would put Israel at risk of being “more isolated and more blamed.” There was no alternative to the deal, said Kerry, except war.

Jewish community leaders complained about how the debate over the deal was being framed. “If you are a critic of the deal, you’re for war,” a senior official at a pro-Israel organization told me at the time. “The implication is that if it looks like the Jewish community is responsible for Congress voting down the deal, it will look like the Jewish community is leading us off to another war in the Middle East.”

Nonetheless, Obama kept hammering away at his chosen messaging. In a speech at American University he argued there are only two choices: The Iran Deal or war. The one government that did not think this is “such a strong deal” was Israel.





If the smear campaign targeting Iran Deal opponents as rich, dual-loyalist, right-wing warmongers was the public face of Obama’s push for the deal, there was an even less savory component hidden within the advanced technology of the U.S. Intelligence Community: The administration was spying on its domestic opponents, American legislators, and pro-Israel activists.
Noah Pollak —-formerly head of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a nonprofit organization that opposed the nuclear agreement with Iran—- says, “I was warned that my conversations with senior Israeli officials were possibly being monitored.”

Speaking to me for my 2019 book The Plot Against the President, Pollak said that “the [Obama] administration did things that seemed incontrovertibly to be responses to information gathered by listening to those conversations.”
He continued: “At first we thought these were coincidences and we were being paranoid. Surely none of us are that important. Eventually it simply became our working assumption that we were being spied on via the Israeli officials we were in contact with.”

A 2015 Wall Street Journal story provided details of the administration’s domestic espionage operation. “The National Security Agency’s targeting of Israeli leaders and officials also swept up the contents of some of their private conversations with U.S. lawmakers and American-Jewish groups,” explained writers Adam Entous and Danny Yadron. “That raised fears -—an ‘Oh-s—--- moment,’ one senior U.S. official said—- that the executive branch would be accused of spying on Congress.”

The names of Americans are minimized in transcripts of intercepted foreign [FISA surveillanced] communications to protect their privacy. For instance, an American swept up in an intercept might be referred to as a “U.S. Person.”
It is not illegal or even necessarily improper for U.S. officials to deminimize, or “unmask,” their identities and find out who “U.S. Person” is, provided there are genuine national security reasons for doing so.

The story the [Wall Street] Journal tells is evidence Obama officials knew what they were doing was wrong. In the account shaped by the Obama team, responsibility fell on the shoulders of the National Security Agency, responsible for the bulk of America’s signals intelligence. White House officials “let the NSA decide what to share and what to withhold,” according to the Journal story.
“We didn’t say, ‘do it,’” a senior U.S. official said. “We didn’t say, ‘don’t do it.’”

Any use of NSA intercepts to target Jewish organizations and anti-Iran Deal legislators would not be an innocent mistake. Obama aides would know they were abusing surveillance programs ostensibly pointed at Israeli officials if they used them to know which US lawmakers and pro-Israel activists were planning to oppose the deal, what they were saying, and who they were talking to. Indeed, it appears that to get in front of the possibility that their domestic spying operation would be exposed, Obama officials leaked it to friendly reporters in order to shape the story to their advantage: OK, yes, we heard, but only by accident. And in any case, it was the NSA that passed it on to us.

In June 2015, a month before the deal was struck in Vienna, Michael Flynn was on Capitol Hill testifying about Iran and the deeply flawed deal on the table. He described Iran’s destabilizing actions throughout the region, how the regime killed American troops in Iraq and later Afghanistan. He warned about Iran’s ties to North Korea, China, and Russia.
Flynn emphasized that Iran’s “stated desire to destroy Israel is very real.” He said Obama’s Iran policy was one of “willful ignorance.”



As the 2016 election cycle approached, a number of Republican candidates solicited [Michael Flynn's] advice —-including Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, and Ted Cruz.
In a sense, the retired general chose Trump as much as Trump chose him. At the time, the candidate’s understanding of what he called “the swamp” -—a confederation of bureaucrats, elected officials, consultants, and contractors enriching themselves at the expense of the American taxpayer, was mostly theoretical. From Trump Tower in New York City more than 200 miles away, Washington sure looked wasteful. But Flynn had detailed knowledge of how the Beltway worked.

The two hit it off and Flynn traveled with the candidate regularly. He was vetted for the vice presidency, but Trump decided instead on Mike Pence, a congressman from Indiana who could help win both the evangelical and the Midwestern vote. Still, outside of Trump’s own family, Flynn was his closest adviser. The foreign policy initiatives he articulated were the president-elect’s and when he spoke to foreign officials, he was speaking for Trump.

Flynn not only made it clear that he wanted to undo the Iran Deal, he also broadcast his determination to find the documents detailing the secret deals between Obama and Iran, and to publicize them. With Flynn on the march, the outgoing administration was keen to shield the JCPOA. Obama diplomats consulted with their European counterparts and gave the clerical regime more sanctions relief, even after the Senate agreed with a 99 to 0 vote to renew the Iran Sanctions Act. Kerry called his Iranian counterpart to tell him not to worry.

Notably, Russia weighed in on the Obama team’s side. It would be “unforgivable,” according to the Russian Foreign Ministry, if the incoming Trump administration forfeited the JCPOA [the Iran nuclear deal]. The White House agreed to let Russia export more than 100 tons of uranium to Iran -—enough to make more than 10 bombs, according to some estimates. “The point was to complicate any effort to tear up the deal,” says a senior U.S. official involved in the fight over the JCPOA. “It gave Iran an insurance policy against Trump.”

By early December 2016, only weeks after Trump’s surprise election, the anti-Flynn campaign was well underway. A December 3, 2016, New York Times article portrayed Flynn as a martinet who brooked no disagreement, and insisted his subordinates corroborate the intelligence assessments he sought.
In his worldview, wrote the Times, “America was in a world war against Islamist militants allied with Russia, Cuba, and North Korea.” The piece carried the bylines of Matthew Rosenberg, Mark Mazzetti, and Eric Schmitt, with additional reporting by Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt -—reporters who would share in the Times’ 2018 Pulitzer Prize for national reporting on the Russiagate conspiracy theory.

Parts of the Times story were then recycled in a joint statement signed by progressive advocacy groups allied with the Obama White House in the Iran deal fight, like MoveOn.org and J Street, demanding Trump withdraw his appointment of Flynn. Among other concerns, the statement cited Flynn’s work on behalf of Turkish interests and, incongruously, his ostensibly negative views on Muslims, as expressed in his book -—as well as his position on Iran.

A one-time USIC lawyer and editor at the national security bureaucracy blog Lawfare, who was destined to become a leading Russiagate conspiracy theorist, highlighted sections from Flynn’s book on social media.
“Shocking,” tweeted Susan Hennessey. It had only been a year and a half since the Obama team had steamrolled congress to win the JCPOA and now their communications infrastructure had swung into action again to protect the Iran Deal from the Trump White House.

It was in this early December 2016 period when the Iran deal spying and media operation merged into Russiagate. The structure of the two operations was identical -—only some of the variables had changed. Opponents were no longer tagged as Israel-firsters, now they were Putin assets. The message, however, was the same. Opponents are not simply wrongheaded, or mistaken, or even dumb -—rather, they are disloyal; agents of a foreign power.

[Flynn was appointed by Trump Nov 20 2016.]

Clandestine spying targeting Flynn began no later than Dec. 2. That day, DNI James Clapper and U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power unmasked Flynn’s name from a classified U.S. intercept of communications between Russian officials. It seems the Obama officials were interested in a Trump Tower meeting Flynn and Jared Kushner held with Russia’s U.S. Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The envoy then reported his meeting to Moscow, communications that U.S. officials appear to have leaked to Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporters Greg Miller, Ellen Nakashima, and Adam Entous, who had moved over from The Wall Street Journal.

Leaking information from classified intercepts is a felony. Concerned U.S. officials’ use of the press to illuminate government crimes and abuses is a keystone of the American political process. However, the many times that Flynn’s name was illegally leaked from intercepts during the transition period and the first several weeks of the new administration shows that the classified information passed to journalists was not whistleblowing but was instead an aspect of the political surveillance operation targeting the Trump team.

According to a recently declassified document, there were 39 Obama officials who unmasked Flynn’s identity a total of 53 times. Power led the list with seven unmaskings of Flynn -—a small part of her sum total of more than 330 unmaskings between 2015-16, making her, according to former Congressman Trey Gowdy, the “largest unmasker of U.S. persons in our history.”

Power was one of 30 Obama officials who unmasked Flynn between Dec. 14-16. The list includes Clapper, Brennan, FBI Director James Comey and Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew, as well as six other Treasury officials including Patrick Cronin, the director of the Office of Intelligence and Analysis -—Treasury’s intelligence shop.
It appears they were interested in a Dec. 15 meeting in which Flynn, Kushner, and Steve Bannon hosted the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan.

Obama’s former National Security Adviser Susan Rice also unmasked Flynn for this meeting, though she’s not on the declassified Flynn unmasking list. She said that she was irked Emirati leadership had come to the United States without notifying the Obama White House. Rice’s description of her emotional state may well be accurate, though it doesn’t explain why she requested the identities of presidential transition officials.

But it’s not hard to figure out why she and 30 other Obama officials wanted to know about that meeting. Spying on the Trump team’s conversations with Arab officials would tell them how the next administration’s Middle East policies would affect Obama’s [legacy], especially the JCPOA [the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, a k a, the Iran nuclear deal].
Seven Treasury officials spying on the same meeting suggests they wanted to know about Trump’s plans for Iran sanctions.

Sure, John Kerry told the Iranians not to worry about sanctions, but what could the Obama team do to counter Trump if he was planning to restore them?

On Dec. 22, Flynn spoke with Russian Ambassador Kislyak about the vote scheduled to take place at the United Nations the next day. The Obama team had coaxed Egypt into introducing U.N. Security Council Resolution 2334, holding that Israel was occupying the territories it had taken in the June 1967 war. Israel, according to 2334, was in “flagrant violation” of international law. Under the terms of the resolution, even the Western Wall of the Temple Mount was an illegal Israeli settlement.

President-elect Trump got Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi on the phone on Dec. 22 and convinced him to withdraw the proposal. But the transition team knew someone else would sponsor the resolution. Flynn was speaking with foreign officials from Israel, Egypt, and Senegal -—which at the time held one of the rotating positions on the security council.
Flynn later told the FBI that he knew the math and at least five countries had to abstain to block the resolution and he didn’t think his calls would affect the final vote. He compared the exercise to a battle drill, to see how quickly he could get foreign officials on the phone.

The FBI knew that Flynn had called Kislyak, too. It’s not clear when the bureau learned of the call but they asked him about it during his pivotal Jan. 24 interview. Flynn said he didn’t try to influence the Russian envoy, but just wanted to know where the Russians stood.

The next day UNSCR 2334 passed 14-0, with Samantha Power casting a vote to abstain, forsaking America’s customary role of blocking anti-Israel actions at the U.N.
Obama had reinforced his regional realignment strategy by balancing opposing forces -—weakening Israel and empowering the Palestinians. That’s the generous reading. It was the 44th president’s parting shot at America’s most important regional ally.

Within the week, Obama aides were zeroing in on Flynn. The outgoing [Obama] White House claimed it wanted to know why Putin announced on Dec. 30 that he would refrain from responding to the expulsion of dozens of Russian diplomats. The FBI said it had an answer -—the bureau [FBI] had a record of a phone call between Kislyak and Flynn from the day before Putin made his decision public.

Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe writes in his 2019 book, The Threat, that he was alerted to the information by an analyst and passed it on to Comey, who told Clapper, who briefed Obama. Comey corroborated McCabe’s account in congressional testimony, while Clapper swore under oath that he did not brief the president.

Clapper may be telling the truth. The unmasking list shows that Obama officials were listening in on Flynn’s conversations in real time. It’s possible Obama didn’t need Clapper to tell him about the call. According to former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, Obama knew about the Flynn-Kislyak call no later than Jan. 5, when he was discussing it in an Oval Office meeting. She says Comey was the only other official present -—which contradicts Susan Rice’s account. Obama’s former National Security Advisor said she and Vice President Joe Biden were also there.

This week, acting DNI Richard Grenell declassified a previously redacted passage from an email Rice sent to herself on inauguration day 2017 regarding the Jan. 5 meeting. The newly unredacted section showed that Obama was fully read into the anti-Flynn operation.
[i.e., Obama knew about the conspiracy to fram Michael Flynn using illegal surveillance and unmasking, and according to Sally Yates' Jan 5 statement of the meeting with Obama, Biden, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Yates, and Susan Rice. Yates said Obama knew the details of the Flynn/Kislyak call before Yates herself knew, that it was difficult for Yates "to listen to the contents of the meeting and still process what I'd just heard", the fact that Obama had access to that surveillance before Yates herself did. That Obama apparently instructed and orchestrated the conspiracy against Flynn personally. ]

According to the Rice [Jan 20th 2016] email, Obama asked if the FBI director was saying that they “should not pass sensitive information related to Russia to Flynn."
Obama knew at the time there was no evidence that Flynn had any untoward relationship with Russia -—the FBI had been investigating the allegations for more than four months and found “no derogatory information” on Flynn. [i.e., no proof that Flynn had done anything wrong or incriminating.]

On Jan. 7, the DNI official who gave Obama his daily intelligence briefing requested to have Flynn’s name unmasked, making the information accessible to numerous Obama officials with whom the briefing was shared, and thus expanding the pool of possible sources.

Adam Entous was offered the leak of the Dec. 29 call [between Flynn and Russian ambassador Kizlyak] early on. “I didn't know what to make of it,” the writer, now at The New Yorker, told a Georgetown audience. “There were divisions within the newsroom. At that point, I’m at The Washington Post. There are divisions about this: Why is it news that Michael Flynn is talking to the Russian ambassador? He should be talking to the Russian ambassador.”

Then the leak was offered to Entous’ [Washington Post] colleague David Ignatius.
“This is something a columnist can do, unlike me as a news reporter,” said Entous. “He was able to just throw this piece of red meat out there.”
Indeed, it’s how the Obama team intended to bloody the waters.

On Jan. 10, according to Flynn’s lawyer Sidney Powell, Clapper told Ignatius to “take the kill shot on Flynn.”
Ignatius published the leak in his Jan. 12 column, describing Flynn’s Dec. 29 conversation with Kislyak. “According to a senior U.S. government official,” wrote Ignatius, “Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials... What did Flynn say, and did it undercut the U.S. sanctions?”

The story ignited the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, which was intended to damage Flynn while disguising the nature and purpose of the campaign. The criminal leak of a classified intercept was evidence that the Obama White House was spying on the transition team, and for the same reason they’d spied on lawmakers and pro-Israel activists -—to know the plans of Iran deal opponents.

To conceal their illegal surveillance of the incoming NSA and other Trump officials, Obama aides re-purposed Hillary Clinton’s Trump-Russia collusion narrative, which had fed dozens of pre-election news reports and won the FBI a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. Now the media had the Trump White House on the defensive, identifying likely “points of collusion” everywhere, while covering up Obama’s spying operation.

The outgoing [Obama] administration caught another break when the transition team made an unforced error. Days after the Ignatius story broke, Vice President Mike Pence said on TV that Flynn had assured him there was no talk of sanctions. Either Pence had misunderstood, or Flynn didn’t explain himself clearly enough. Later Flynn took responsibility for the mix-up. He was sorry he’d put Pence “in a position,” and he “should have said, ‘I don’t know. I can’t recall,’ which is the truth.”
Flynn further elaborated on the call with Kislyak: “It wasn’t about sanctions. It was about the 35 guys who were thrown out.” Flynn said that he told the Russian envoy when they come to office, “’We’ll review everything.’ I never said anything such as, ‘We’re going to review sanctions,’ or anything like that.”

There was no promise to relieve sanctions on Russia and tamper with Obama’s policy before Trump came to office, never mind collusion. But the discrepancy between Pence’s statement and the transcript of Flynn’s conversation with Kislyak gave Comey and McCabe a window of opportunity.
On Jan. 24, they sent two FBI agents to interview Flynn at the White House. They came back and reported that they didn’t think Flynn lied. That didn’t matter either. The FBI edited the record of the interview.

Meanwhile, Flynn continued to do the job the president had chosen him for. After Iran conducted a ballistic missile test and its Yemeni proxies attacked a Saudi naval ship, he announced in the White House press room: “As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.” Former Obama aides fumed: The Trump administration had no choice but to stay in the JCPOA [Iran nuclear deal]. Then they flipped through the dog-eared pages of the Iran Deal playbook and pushed into the press rumors regarding the loyalties of a combat veteran who served his country in uniform for more than three decades. Had Michael Flynn sold out his country to Russia?

On Feb. 9, Entous finally got his chance to publish the leaked intercept of the Kislyak call. He and Washington Post colleagues Greg Miller and Ellen Nakashima found nine current and former U.S. officials to confirm that Flynn had discussed sanctions with the Russian. It went unremarked that the article provided evidence of yet another leak of Flynn’s name from a classified intercept, and thus proof of a massive spying operation targeting the Trump team.

Trump had been warned. Obama was serious when he told him not to bring on Flynn. The new president’s hand was forced, and the national security adviser left the White House on Feb. 13.
Within the year, prosecutors from Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation threatened to charge Flynn’s son with lobbying violations if he didn’t plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI.

By then, Russiagate was in overdrive -—one of the most destructive conspiracy theories in U.S. history was well on its way to poisoning minds around the country. It appeared to cast an even deeper spell on the elite urban classes whose peers in the press and government had fueled it in the name of “resisting” Trump. And yet only a small fraction of those who imagined themselves to have the inside story of the Trump team’s secret collusion with Russia to defeat Clinton understood the origins of the fantasy world they had been engulfed by.

Russiagate was not a hoax, as some conservative journalists call it. Rather, it was a purposeful extension of the Obama administration’s Iran Deal media campaign, and of the secret espionage operation targeting those opposed to Obama’s efforts to re-align American interests with those of a terror state that embodies the most corrosive forms of anti-Semitism.

It’s not hard to see why the previous president went after Flynn: The retired general’s determination to undo the Iran Deal was grounded in his own experience in two Middle Eastern theaters of combat, where he saw how Iran murdered Americans and threatened American interests. But why Obama would choose the Islamic Republic as a partner and encourage tactics typically employed by third-world police states remain a mystery.




In a nutshell, Obama wanted to destroy Flynn for purposes of:
1) To prevent Flynn, as Trump's newly appointed Nationaal Security Advisor, from investigating and exposing the criminal behavior of Obama, Kerry and others regarding how the Iran nuclear deal was secretly and illegally secured.
2) Flynn wanted to reform and roll back the Obama/Democrat politicization of FBI, DNI, CIA and other intelligence agencies, therefore Obama wanted to pre-emptively destroy Flynn with falsified criminal charges to prevent Flynn from doing so. Which is why FBI investigation of Flynn, FISA warrants and unmasking by almost 40 Obama officials was unleashed on him. It was a case of illegally digging through Flynn's life in Dec 22016/Jan 2017 for something to criminally indict him for, and then when that failed to yield fruit, they set up a perjury trap on Jan 24 2017. And even Flynn's defense lawyers were part of that trap (lawyers who are part of Eric Holder's Democrat-loyalist law firm, a firm who donated roughly $100,000 to both Hillary Clinton in 2016 and $80,000 to Biden, and $35,000 to other Democrats on the ballot for 2020, who pressured and deceived Flynn to take a bad plea deal to be convicted because Flynn's own lawyers were part of the Bolshevik plot to destroy Trump, unknown to Flynn, and pressured Flynn to take a bad plea deal).

I wonder if Flynn can sue his former lawyers for conflict of interest and other charges, and possibly force them to give back the $6 million in legal defense costs they billed him, when they had clear loyalty to the prosecution and did the opposite of defend Flynn. I can see that as the next logical step, after Judge Emmett Sullivan is forced to close the case against Flynn, that he is partisanly and maliciously struggling to keep open for no logical reason even after the DOJ pushed for the charges to be dropped against Flynn, due to the DOJ's recognition of their own prosecutors' blatant misconduct against Flynn. No reason for Sullivan's vindictiveness in keeping it open, other than his being a fanatic Democrat partisan who was appointed by Bill Clinton to the federal bench.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-22 4:40 PM
More accusations to fit the conspiracy theories. Flynn was fired by Trump prorated being a liar so keep that in mind WB. Trump who lies perpetually actually fired Flynn for lying. And outside fierce partisan conservatives you have who? Trump afraid he can’t win re-election is mobilizing every bit of the federal government he can to slime his political opponent. All the while firing and replacing people that are loyal to him above all else.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-23 2:34 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
More accusations to fit the conspiracy theories. Flynn was fired by Trump prorated being a liar so keep that in mind WB. Trump who lies perpetually actually fired Flynn for lying. And outside fierce partisan conservatives you have who? Trump afraid he can’t win re-election is mobilizing every bit of the federal government he can to slime his political opponent. All the while firing and replacing people that are loyal to him above all else.



Those are too well-documented facts for you to try and dismiss as "conspiracy theories".
As one example, then-acting attorney general Sally Yates in her notes on a Jan 5 2017 meeting with the 7 top Obama officials said she was so shocked by the fact that Obama knew about unmasked intelligence in great detail, before she the attorney general had been informed of it, that she "had difficulty processing that and still listening to the contents of the meeting".
Obama, Biden, Comey, Rice, Brennan, Clapper and Yates all knew and were active participants in the political weaponizing of intelligence and federal law enforcement againsst Flynn and the Obama administration.
Period. The end. No dispute. It's right there in the notes, e-mails and text messages of all the key players. Comey even openly boasted ON VIDEO about maliciously targeting Flynn against protocol in Flynn's white house office, sending two FBI agents (one of them Peter Strzok), and tricked Flynn into not having a lawyer present.

At every turn, with every new release of documents, it becomes increasingly proven that Obama and Hillary staffers abused political power to maliciously and criminally target Trump officials. And their willing acomplices in FBI, DOJ, State Dept, IRS, CIA, Treasury Dept, the U.N. ambassador, the Ukranian and other U.S. embassies, and other federal agencies. It's so beyond dispute you just prove yourself a liar trying to allege otherwise.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-23 3:36 AM


BIDEN ON SKYPE WITH A BLACK VOTER: "IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE DECIDING BETWEEN TRUMP AND ME, THEN YOU AIN'T BLACK"


Man, the jokes just write themselves.

Hey, no race-baiting or race-shaming by Biden and other Democrats, none whatsoever!

Compare with a few years ago: "Republicans want to 'unchain the economy'.... they want to put y'all back in chains."
Love the folksy southern y'all thrown in. As if Biden, originally from Pennsylvania and who spent most of his life in Delaware and Washington D.C., ever said y'all anywhere, except when addressing and pandering to the racial fears of a black audience.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-23 5:50 AM
Trump is Biden at his worst every day of his lying,fat, corrupt entitled life. Now what Biden joked about was wrong but Biden also does apologize when he’s wrong. Good leaders do that.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-23 7:21 AM

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump is Biden at his worst every day of his lying,fat, corrupt entitled life. Now what Biden joked about was wrong but Biden also does apologize when he’s wrong. Good leaders do that.



Yeah, he said "I'm sorry I got caught saying what I really think. And what all the leadership in the Democrat party think. That we own and are entitled to the black vote."

Blacks have rightly said these comments, regardless of the half-hearted apology, manifest that the Democrat party takes the black vote for granted.

4 years under Trump of the best jobs numbers for blacks ever recorded (tracked by the Dept of Labor since 1972).
After 8 years of black decline under Obama that Tavis Smiley said "8 years of Obama have erased 50 years of black progress."

I think it's pretty clear blacks should be voting for Trump, the candidate who has kept his word and elevated black America, beyond just lip service.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-24 8:14 PM
Actually Trump is probably going to end up leaving office with far worse stats than Obama on unemployment in general in November. Black and brown people are seeing an increase in death rates though. Of course with Obama you saw a gradual improvement in black unemployment and the economy in general. He was able to do this while your party demanded deficit reduction makes his accomplishments even more astounding. Enjoy your “I take no responsibility “ and “grab em by the pussy” trash but there is a reason why America hates Trump outside of the shrinking amount of people who consider themselves republicans.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-05-31 12:45 PM




23 QUESTIONS JOE BIDEN NEEDS TO ANSWER ABOUT CHINA

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Communist China poses a greater threat to America and our interests abroad than any other nation in the world.

If it wasn’t clear prior to the spread of the Chinese coronavirus, resulting largely from the Chinese Communist Party’s Chernobyl-like response, the subsequent threats should crystallize this point. It has acted malevolently toward the U.S., our European and Anglosphere allies, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and India, and across the South China Sea.

Countering the CCP is essential to preserving American life, limb, and liberty. The public deserves to know what presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s approach to China would be.

After all, this is a man who sat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for three decades. Biden ultimately chaired or served as its ranking member from 1997 on, during a career at the senior-most levels of government spanning almost the entirety of U.S.-China engagement. As a longtime senator and then vice president, Biden never once acted to scuttle the integrationist-accommodationist policy that has left America in such a perilous position.

This is to say nothing of the disturbing appearance of corruption surrounding Biden’s tenure as vice president, in which he managed the “China portfolio,” while his son Hunter contemporaneously entered into an apparent sweetheart Chinese investment deal.

Thus far in the 2020 presidential campaign, Biden has flippantly downplayed the threat from China, only to quickly walk back his comments when he faced backlash. He attacked the Trump administration for “xenophobia” in enacting a travel ban early in the coronavirus crisis, only later to backtrack on that too. Now, Biden is trying a new tack: Portray himself as tougher on China than Trump.

This assertion is belied by his historical rhetoric and action, in contrast with a Trump administration that explicitly rejected the status quo by way of its national security strategy. That strategy notes the flaws of a premise to which Biden has long subscribed — that “engagement with rivals and their inclusion in international institutions and global commerce would turn them into benign actors and trustworthy partners” — and the Trump administration has acted accordingly.

The former vice president must tell us whether his views and policy prescriptions have markedly changed, or if his presidency would represent a reversion to the status quo ante.

Here are 23 questions the press ought to ask him but almost certainly won’t:

1. Does Biden still believe, as he remarked during a 2011 speech, that “a rising China is a positive, positive development, not only for China but for America and the world writ large”?

2. Does Biden regret his support for granting permanent normal trade relations to China, setting it up for accession to the World Trade Organization that would supercharge its drive toward superpower status?

3. Does Biden believe the Obama administration’s responses, or lack thereof, to China’s rampant theft of intellectual property, militarization of the South China Sea, catastrophic hack of the Office of Personnel Management, and liquidation of Central Intelligence Agency assets were sufficient, and successfully checked China’s ambitions? If not, what would he have done differently? Did he propose such alternatives as vice president?

4. Does Biden disavow the Obama administration’s signing of a 2013 memorandum of understanding — following intense lobbying of the former vice president by Chinese leaders — granting Chinese companies continued access to U.S. capital markets, in spite of their unique noncompliance in skirting basic auditing and reporting requirements, resulting in numerous frauds?

5. Does the former vice president think it appropriate for former Obama administration national security officials to lobby on behalf of Huawei, the CCP-tied, national security-threatening, alleged U.S.-lawbreaking linchpin of China’s plan for control over global communications?


6. Will Biden disclose any and all funding directly or indirectly emanating from Chinese sources for the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement?

7. Would a President-Elect Biden take a congratulatory call from Taiwan’s president, and express ambiguity regarding the “One China” policy prior to dealing with the CCP?

8. Would a Biden administration explicitly recognize the ruling CCP as a “Marxist-Leninist Party,” “hostile to the United States,” that harbors hegemonic ambitions?

9. More fundamentally, would a Biden administration recognize that China poses the greatest threat of all to America?

10. Would every member of a Biden Cabinet adopt policies geared toward countering China, or ceasing cooperation with it?

11. Would a President Biden continue the Trump administration’s military buildup aimed at countering China’s aggression?

12. Specifically, would a President Biden prioritize significant funding of missile defense and the Space Force in his budgets?

13. Would a President Biden continue to vacate the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty?

14. Would a President Biden continue accelerating naval activities throughout the Indo-Pacific?

15. Would a President Biden explicitly encourage U.S. companies to move their supply chains out of China?

16. Would a President Biden impose tariffs as a means of creating leverage over China in a bid to achieve free, fair, and reciprocal trade?

17. Would a President Biden use every possible measure to counter China’s efforts to monopolize strategically significant fields, such as 5G telecommunications?

18. Would a President Biden maintain the substantially increased powers of the executive branch over conducting Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States reviews of transactions that might represent national security threats, and use it to scuttle relevant deals?

19. Would a Biden administration sanction Chinese entities doing business with sanctioned Iranian entities?

20. Would a Biden Department of Justice maintain the Trump administration’s China Initiative, aimed at preventing and prosecuting Chinese espionage and hacking efforts?

21. Would a Biden administration engage in a comprehensive strategic communications effort aimed at the CCP, including resolutely challenging its propaganda, delivering Mandarin pro-democracy and anti-CCP messages, and highlighting tyrannical CCP actions?

22. Would a Biden administration maintain restrictions on visas for Chinese students and scholars in strategically significant disciplines, and investigate and expose potentially corrupting Chinese funding of American higher ed institutions?

23. Would a President Biden order that the savings of U.S. government employees not be invested in funds with weightings toward Chinese companies antithetical to America’s interests?

America awaits Biden’s answers.

___________________________________

Ben Weingarten is a Federalist senior contributor, senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research, and fellow at the Claremont Institute. He was selected as a 2019 Robert Novak Journalism fellow of the Fund for American Studies, under which he is currently working on a book on U.S.-China policy. You can find his work at benweingarten.com, and follow him on Twitter @bhweingarten.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-01 2:21 AM
Biden widens lead
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-06 2:27 PM



Michael Dukaakis was shown in polls to have a 16-point lead. But in Nov 1988 he lost to G H W Bush in a landslide defeat.

As I posted in the election fraud topic, Democrat pollsters rig the polls by over-sampling the poll with 15% more Democrats than their actual ratio of the population. In the two weeks or so right before an election, where the pollsters' reputation will be destroyed if they are not more accurate, they start polling a more accurate population sampling, resulting in a "tightening" in the polls, that is actually accurate for the first time in many months.

No one actually believes Biden is ahead.
30% of his own Democrat base wants him replaced by another candidate. He has a 50-year history of corruption from corporate campaign donors, as do also his brother, and his crack-smoking son Hunter Biden, payoffs in Ukraine, in China, and back to Hunter Biden's time as a board member for MBNA and Amtrak in Delaware (who just happen to be among the largest donors to then-Senator Joe Biden).

You can read more on Biden's long history as a Washington swamp creature in Michelle Malkin's Culture of Corruption book. Almost the entire first chapter is about Biden and his family. And that was just about his corrupt activities from 1970-2009, *before* his corrupt actions as vice president.
Although at this point with clear mental deterioration, he can barely finish a sentence.

#JoeChina !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VH2JjWDnk

Add to that his gaffs and racism:

"Poor kids who are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

"If you support Trump instead of mee then you're not black."
"Kids play with the hair on my legs."

"I love kids jumping on my lap."

Corn Pop, the poolside bad dude!

"My name is Joe Biden, and I'm running for the United States Senate" (he said this in 2019!!)



And that's just for openers.
Does anyone seriously think this jerk is a threat to Donald Trump in November?


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-06 3:03 PM

Best 13 Biden Gaffes of all time (part 1)




Best Biden Gaffes (part 2)


We need to beat the shit out of domestic violence! Keep punching at it and punching at it!



Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-06 3:03 PM
Actually I do believe Biden is ahead. I think Trump believes it too. He always considered Biden the biggest threat. And Trump supporters have no credibility on corruption. You supported all the lies and obstruction of justice to keep Trump in power. Not a drop of concern as Trump has gotten rid of oversight. And I fully expect that if Trump loses the popular vote and the electoral college he and his supporters will be very bad losers.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-06 3:11 PM



I just explained how the polls are manipulated to give Biden (or any Democrat) the appearance of being ahead, by using a poll sampling of 15% more Democrats than their actual ratio of voters.


My favorite Biden gaffe ever, talking about Obama's big stick:

Biden assures voters Obama "has a big stick"


Even when the audience is going wild laughing at his unwitting penis joke, Biden remains clueless about his error and dead serious, repeating "I assure you! I assure you!"
This guy couldn't find his own ass with two hands and a flashlight.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-06 4:25 PM
You have no problem citing polling when you like it WB. You rationalize whatever you need to. Like I said I no longer expect Trump supporters to accept any results that don’t have Trump winning. Seeing all the people rising up for Floyd gives me optimism that Trump isn’t going to be able to lose the election and be able to somehow void it and stay in power. The people just won’t allow it.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-14 2:37 AM


\:lol\:
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-16 12:14 AM

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You have no problem citing polling when you like it WB. You rationalize whatever you need to. Like I said I no longer expect Trump supporters to accept any results that don’t have Trump winning. Seeing all the people rising up for Floyd gives me optimism that Trump isn’t going to be able to lose the election and be able to somehow void it and stay in power. The people just won’t allow it.



Sorry my citing of facts upsets you, and confuses your flawed ideological views of how you wish the world works, with irrefutable facts of how it actually does.




Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-16 12:42 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
You have no problem citing polling when you like it WB. You rationalize whatever you need to. Like I said I no longer expect Trump supporters to accept any results that don’t have Trump winning. Seeing all the people rising up for Floyd gives me optimism that Trump isn’t going to be able to lose the election and be able to somehow void it and stay in power. The people just won’t allow it.



Sorry my citing of facts upsets you, and confuses your flawed ideological views of how you wish the world works, with irrefutable facts of how it actually does.





You may keep claiming opinions are facts all you want WB. You do cite polling when it suits your partisan interests but decry it when you don’t like the results. Please go ahead and cite some polling that shows something different.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-16 2:14 AM


I've cited and linked my sources.
PERIOD. THE END.

Those are the facts, despite your best efforts to lie about them, or sweep them into a dismissive category.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-24 5:58 AM
Biden outraises Trump

This was a nice surprise and it looks like he’s doing well this month. And now Trump wants lots of debates, lol.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-24 8:03 AM
 Originally Posted By: M E M

Biden outraises Trump

This was a nice surprise and it looks like he’s doing well this month. And now Trump wants lots of debates, lol.


From my side it wasn't a nice surprise. But it is a surprise.

Keep in mind, they aren't donating in eager support of Biden. They're donating in opposition to Trump, and basically "anyone but Trump".
In truth, 26% of Democrats would like their party to replace Biden with someone else.


Assuming the recent polls of Biden leading are correct, it was not even 2 months ago that Trump was leading with 60% support in the polls. Assuming Trump is even actually behind and not just made to look behind by Democrat-overweighted polls, there is a lot that can happen in the next 5 months.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-24 5:15 PM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: M E M

Biden outraises Trump

This was a nice surprise and it looks like he’s doing well this month. And now Trump wants lots of debates, lol.


From my side it wasn't a nice surprise. But it is a surprise.

Keep in mind, they aren't donating in eager support of Biden. They're donating in opposition to Trump, and basically "anyone but Trump".
In truth, 26% of Democrats would like their party to replace Biden with someone else.


Assuming the recent polls of Biden leading are correct, it was not even 2 months ago that Trump was leading with 60% support in the polls. Assuming Trump is even actually behind and not just made to look behind by Democrat-overweighted polls, there is a lot that can happen in the next 5 months.


I never saw a national poll that had Trump leading Biden by 60 percent. Is there some I missed? Generally Biden has been consistently outpolling Trump nationally from what I’ve seen. The gotcha with that though is that Biden’s lead was never large enough to prevent an electoral defeat like in 2016. And yes a lot can happen in 5 months. Trump is already pushing for more money to be mailed out that I’m sure would have his name on it. The protests and the pandemic are upending the normal political calculations. Lots can and will happen I’m sure. The only thing I can guarantee is that I and a lot of others won’t be assuming Trump can’t win.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-25 6:25 AM

 Originally Posted By: M E M
protests and the pandemic are upending the normal political calculations....


Protests orchestrated and endorsed by the Democrats, for precisely that purpose!


On the polls, there are overall Trump Presidential approval polls, and here are those polls, all of them, going back roughly a year:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

On specific issues, such as handling the economy, handling the Covid-19 pandemic, handling China, handling military issues, Trump scores much higher. At one point on handling Covid-19, Trump was at 60% approval.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...p-poll-k86e29ot
But since then, under the barrage of close to 100% negative media coverage, that polled support has declined slightly.

But I still don't trust the polls, these same polls said Hillary Clinton would win in 2016. And as I've said repeatedly, liberal pollsters manipulate the sample and over-sample the Democrat ratio of voters to get the numbers they want.

Newt Gingrich said a few months ago during the impeachment hearings that: "I've never seen a president that could endure 100% negative coverage from the media and still maintain support".
But that is precisely what Trump is doing. Because public trust of the deceitful partisan-liberal media has declined to that point, as they've been proven to have innaccurately reported over and over. They have clearly lost any pretense of objectivity, and have become partisan zealots for the Democrat cause. As have liberal pollsters.

On the key issue that presidents are re-elected on, the economy, Trump has a high margin of support, 56%.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas...s-amid-economic



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-06-25 6:32 AM



Even with near-100% negative coverage of Trump, as opposed to the adoring media being the wind at Obama's back during his 8 years, Trump on any given day is generally at or above where Obama's popular support was at the same point in his presidency.
https://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/current_events/politics/prez_track_jun24
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-12 7:36 PM






No one is cheering more for a Biden victory than China.
And Russia.
And Iran.
And North Korea.
And ISIS, and Al Qaida, and...

Basically, a vote for Biden is a vote for weakening the United States, strengthening and emboldening our enemies, and for internal chaos that cripples the United States from within with cultural marxist revolution in the streets, and de-funding police in cities nationwide, spiking crime and insurrection while taking the police who would fight it off the streets.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-12 7:38 PM






Just like Hillary in 2016.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-12 10:19 PM
I certainly won’t be feeling confident until Trump is out of the WH. Even if Trump loses the election I think there‘s a good chance of him trying to fight the results. I do like seeing the polls and fundraising go Biden’s way though.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-13 4:36 PM

So... if you support Biden, do you really think he will be a good and competent and non-corrupt president?

Whatever you think of Trump, he is a proven leader who has overseen the best eeconomic numbers for the U.S., the lowest unemplyment ever for blacks and hispanics, the lowest umeployment for women since the 1950's. And the most accomplished president of my lifetime, perhaps even surpassing the achievements of Ronald Reagan.
He has re-negotiated trade agreements with Canada, Mexico, South Korea, Japan, central and South America.
Trump has rebuilt our military, that Obama had destroyed.
Trump has secured the border, and despite enormous Democrat obstruction, continues to make it more secure every day. Former ICE director Tom Homan said he has been a border guard and agency official through 6 presidents, and he has never worked with a president more committed to Border Patrol and securing the border.

Plus many other achievements.

Aside from your personal (and partisan) dislike of Trump (and really, ANY Republican president or candidate) what legitimate basis do you have for opposing Trump? None. Just slander, lies and personal insults.

Do you really think Biden would be president 6 months after his hypothetical election? No. He is a Trojan horse for the most radical anti-American elements of the Democrat-Left. Your party is not even trying to hide anymore that their goal is chaos and destruction, and burning America to the ground. Your party is all-in for tearing down statues and teaching a cultural marxist propaaganda version of history that teaches the next generation to hate America and destroy it, replacing it with a marxist utopia. With aa complete purge of any conservatives, not even allowing them to work. The attacks on the hispanic CEO of Goya foods being the latest example. Or the Tulsa University coach who was almost fired for just wearing an OAN (One America News) t-shirt (when simultaneously a black athete he coached received almost no punishment for tweeting anti-semitic remarks quoting Louis Farrakhan and Adolf Hitler. The vilest hatered and violence is openly endorsed by the Democrats, and Biden's election would embolden a purge on a par with the Lenin Stalin revolution, the Maoist revolution, Castro's conquest and purge of Cuba, or the French Revolution.
And you endorse that.

Insane.

Biden is poisonous in multiple ways:
1) He is weak and corrupt, and has no moral stance on anything, and will support anyone who will financially reward him.
2) Biden is strange and sexually inappropriate at best, he sniffs the hair of women and little girls, and even female Secret Service agents guarding him experiance harassment. He would swim naked in a pool with female agents guaarding him, just to make them uncomfortable. Male agentss would not invite their wives and girlfriends to White House social events, to prevent Biden from grabbing their asses.
3) Biden has sold his office as congressman, senator and then Vice President for decades, and enrich both himself and his family. His son Hunter Biden flew on Air Force Two with VP Biden, and within a day or two (Hunter Biden a drug addict with no financial experience) got a business deal from the People's Bank of China to invest $1.5 billion, netting Hunter a commission of at least $20 million. At precisely the time VP Biden softened his rhetoric against China, and pressed to diminish U.S. naval patrols and influence in the South China Sea. If Biden were president, he would again seel us out to China, and reverse all the strong containment Trump has put in place.
4) All the investigation of **CLEAR** corruption and abuse of power by Biden and the Obama administration would come to an abrupt screaming halt, and never be prosecuted, despite overwhelming evidence. And I would lay money that many of the corrupt players, including James Comey, Susan Rice, John Brennan and James Clapper would be invited back into a Biden White House, to continue the weaponizing of government against their Republican opposition right where they left off. I again point you to Sally Yates' memo of Jan 5 2017, where she specifies who was in the room, the 7 highest officials in the Obama White House, including Obama and Biden, and how Obama personally orchestrated the illegal unmasking and targeting of Michael Flynn, deliberately framing him with false charges and a perjury trap. Obama personally. In a way that astonished even Sally Yates, a Democrat Bolshevik party loyalist.

The Democrat party has to lose and lose badly in the Nov 2020 election, so this rabid Cultural Marxist cancer is stopped, and punished so badly that it doesn't just rise again in 2 or 4 or 8 years. It has to be destroyed. The Democrat leadership is a threat to the very existence of the United States. The Cultural Marxist enemy destroying us from within.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-14 2:12 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

So... if you support Biden, do you really think he will be a good and competent and non-corrupt president?
...


Without a doubt Biden will be better than Trump and the daily insanity that is now the norm. Just this morning Trump retweet’s exgame show host Chuck Woolery that the medical people are lying. This while the his WH attacks Dr. Fauci. An all to familiar pattern of this unfit and corrupt stain on the presidency where the truth is whatever Trump and his base declares. We face a highly contagious virus that we don’t even know what the long term effects are going to be and Trump is retweeting an attack on the medical community. That is insanity. Trump supporters thinking they have any credibility on what is corrupt or creepy is laughable btw. If it makes you feel better regurgitating the Trump campaign crap, go for it. It’s just bizarre how we must have read the same comic books and rooted for the same good guys and now your heroes are Trump, Flynn and Stone. Sad really but I guess that is the path extreme partisanship and hate can lead to for anyone.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-14 5:49 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

So... if you support Biden, do you really think he will be a good and competent and non-corrupt president?
...


Without a doubt Biden will be better than Trump and the daily insanity that is now the norm. Just this morning Trump retweet’s exgame show host Chuck Woolery that the medical people are lying. This while the his WH attacks Dr. Fauci. An all to familiar pattern of this unfit and corrupt stain on the presidency where the truth is whatever Trump and his base declares. We face a highly contagious virus that we don’t even know what the long term effects are going to be and Trump is retweeting an attack on the medical community. That is insanity. Trump supporters thinking they have any credibility on what is corrupt or creepy is laughable btw. If it makes you feel better regurgitating the Trump campaign crap, go for it. It’s just bizarre how we must have read the same comic books and rooted for the same good guys and now your heroes are Trump, Flynn and Stone. Sad really but I guess that is the path extreme partisanship and hate can lead to for anyone.


The "daily insanity" comes from the Democrat/Left, and Trump is just forced to deal with it and minimize the damage.

Without Trump, we would have uncontrolled illegal immigration, with 2 or 3 million illegals annually entering, and overwhelming our southern border. But because Trump is president, that number is down to 200,000 this year, and (against every Democrat obstruction), a Southern border wall is being completed. No group are biger fans of Trump than the Border Patrol. Former border agent and ICE director Tom Hogan said he has worked on the border under 6 presidents, and never has he worked with a president more committed to securing the border, and backing the agents.

Without Trump, there never would have been a travel ban placed on Chinese entering the U.S. (20,000 people a day!) as it was by Trump on January 31st. Fauci (NIH) and Redfield (CDC) advised against the ban, but fortunately Trump did the right thing anyway. In retrospect, Fauci (on CNN) admitted this was "the single best strategic move" by the U.S. toward the pandemic, and gave the U.S. time to be fully prepared. If not for Trump, the original estimate of 1 to 2 million dead would have occurred. And maybe even higher, if not for the Southern border that Trump also secured.

Without Trump, the statues of our founders would still be torn down daily nationwide, a penultimate step to toppling the nation itself. The Democrat/Bolshevik party would be cheering this on unresisted, instead of arresting and prosecuting these Antifa and BLM thugs nationwide, and sending National Guard to back up overwhelmed police in cities nationwide.
But if you hate America, as the Democrat leadership clearly does, no problem, that just paves the way for the new socialist/marxist order, and the purge of all dissenting thought could begin. Thank God Donald Trump is in the White House to stop it.

Without Trump, we would have been surpassed in the last 4 years by China instead of Trump confronting their aggression and economic abuses and cyber-theft. If instead we had a Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Kerry or Joseph Biden as president, they would have continued selling us out, into economic and military enslavement to China. And any of these leaders would have enriched themselves in the process of selling us out. Thank God Donald Trump is in office, with the determination to contain China's aggression and roll it back. Biden would gladly sell us out for another $1.5 billion deal from the Bank of China for his son Hunter Biden. Biden has made a 48- year career of selling out America.
Likewise the Clintons with the Clinton Foundation.

How much worse would all these things be without Trump to stop them, with Democrats who openly endorse them and cheer them on? Biden in the White House (or Hillary, Kerry, Warren, Sanders, etc.) would be the foxes guarding the hen-house, people who for malicious reasons, either financial or ideological or both, cheer on the destruction of the United States. Your party doesn't even pretend otherwise anymore.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-15 2:44 PM
How is Trump’s attacks on the medical community reflective on anything your claiming? In the middle of a pandemic he’s retweeting that the medical community is lying. You understand how crazy that is? And how do you figure it minimizes the insanity by him doing that? Seems pretty clear Trump is the one generating the insanity not the other way around.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-16 2:09 AM

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
How is Trump’s attacks on the medical community reflective on anything your claiming? In the middle of a pandemic he’s retweeting that the medical community is lying. You understand how crazy that is? And how do you figure it minimizes the insanity by him doing that? Seems pretty clear Trump is the one generating the insanity not the other way around.



Trump has praised Fauci, even within the last few days. But he has also said that Fauci, Redfield and other CDC "experts" have been wrong, consistently, on a number of occasions.

* Fauci said we could trust what China was saying, despite during Fauci's tenure at NIH, China has consistently lied over the last 20 years.

* Fauci gave millions in NIH funding to China's biomedical reseach lab, the exact one and exact research that unleashed Covid-19 !!

* Fauci and Redfield were wrong on the travel ban, and Trump (rightly!) enacted a travel ban on China on Jan 31st, despite opposition of all the leadersship at the CDC (who after-the-fact admitted that Trump was riht and they were wrong.)

* In February, Fauci said people shouldn't wear a protective mask unless they work at a hospital, that masks don't protect people. Then in early May, Fauci completely reversed opinion and advised everyone to wear a mask. It seems obvious in retrospect that Fauci was consciously lying about masks not giving protection, lying repeatedly all through February, March and April. Based on this alone, why would anyone trust anything at this point Fauci has to say!
* On CNN, answering phone-in questions from viewers, a man said he had cruise ship reservations, and was over 65. He asked Fauci if under the circumstances he should cancel his cruise trip. Fauci assured him Covid-19 was not a threat to the U.S., and to go ahead and enjoy his trip. Bear in mind, this was March 15th !! And within a week, we would see horror stories of Covid-infected crusise ships where people were trapped and not allowed to leave for weeks, one of the worst places to be during the pandemic.

* Fauci right up until the shutdown in mid March, over and over, almost nightly on every news network, assured the public that Covid-19 was not a threat to the U.S., and that people should worry more about the annual flu virus.
The piece-of-shit Democrat/Left constantly pushes the narrative that "Trump should have acted sooner" and "Trump lied to the public and Trump ignored the threat", but DEMOCRATS IGNORE that it was Fauci and the other bureaucrats in the CDC who assured Trump as medical experts and prevented him from doing more. But these medical professionals the Democrats praise, even as they rail on the president who listened to their "expert" advice!

* Fauci has also repeatedly made public statements in the last 2 months that are critical of Trump's Covid-19 policy, or ambiguous at best, that undermine public confidence. Many conservatives think Fauci is a Democrat/Deep State player who is attempting use the pandemic to tilt the election in the Democrat favor. Likewise, I myself would be surprised if Fauci were not a registered Democrat.

* Fauci also, against the evidence, undermines use of Hydroxychloroquine, that could have at this point saved tens of thousands of lives in the U.S., and shortened the illness for tens of thousands more. As I said prior (and linked), Hydroxychloroquine is the treatment of choice for physicians in at least 30 other nations, and in some nations is given out FREE to people. Many doctors and nurses in the U.S. (despite Fauci and the CDC) take Hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure. The head of the French CDC has released studies of its use to treat Covid-19, and has personally used it to treat hundreds of patients. And still Fauci stonewalls and obstructs it from being approved, despite the medication being FDA approved since 1955.

Based on all the above, I would expect Trump to fire Fauci in the weeks after the November election. And based on the above, Trump has been overly kind to Fauci, and has every right to criticize him.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-16 2:37 AM




Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-16 5:56 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
How is Trump’s attacks on the medical community reflective on anything your claiming? In the middle of a pandemic he’s retweeting that the medical community is lying. You understand how crazy that is? And how do you figure it minimizes the insanity by him doing that? Seems pretty clear Trump is the one generating the insanity not the other way around.



Trump has praised Fauci, even within the last few days. But he has also said that Fauci, Redfield and other CDC "experts" have been wrong, consistently, on a number of occasions.

* Fauci said we could trust what Chian was saying, despite during Fauci's tenure at NIH, China has consistently lied over the last 20 years.

* Fauci gave millions in NIH funding to China's biomedical reseach lab, the exact one and exact research that unleashed Covid-19 !!

* Fauci and Redfield were wrong on the travel ban, and Trump (rightly!) enacted a travel ban on China on Jan 31st, despite opposition of all the leadersship at the CDC (who after-the-fact admitted that Trump was riht and they were wrong.)

* In February, Fauci said people shouldn't wear a protective mask unless they work at a hospital, that masks don't protect people. Then in early May, Fauci completely reversed opinion and advised everyone to wear a mask. It seems obvious in retrospect that Fauci was consciously lying about masks not giving protection, lying repeatedly all through February, March and April. Based on this alone, why would anyone trust anything at this point Fauci has to say!
* On CNN, answering phone-in questions from viewers, a man said he had cruise ship reservations, and was over 65. He asked Fauci if under the circumstances he should cancel his cruise trip. Fauci assured him Covid-19 was not a threat to the U.S., and to go ahead and enjoy his trip. Bear in mind, this was March 15th !! And within a week, we would see horror stories of Covid-infected crusise ships where people were trapped and not allowed to leave for weeks, one of the worst places to be during the pandemic.

* Fauci right up until the shutdown in mid March, over and over, almost nightly on every news network, assured the public that Covid-19 was not a threat to the U.S., and that people should worry more about the annual flu virus.
The piece-of-shit Democrat/Left constantly pushes the narrative that "Trump should have acted sooner" and "Trump lied to the public and Trump ignored the threat", but DEMOCRATS IGNORE that it was Fauci and the other bureaucrats in the CDC who assured Trump as medical experts and prevented him from doing more. But these medical professionals the Democrats praise, even as they rail on the president who listened to their "expert" advice!

* Fauci has also repeatedly made public statements in the last 2 months that are critical of Trump's Covid-19 policy, or ambiguous at best, that undermine public confidence. Many conservatives think Fauci is a Democrat/Deep State player who is attempting use the pandemic to tilt the election in the Democrat favor. Likewise, I myself would be surprised if Fauci were not a registered Democrat.

* Fauci also, against the evidence, undermines use of Hydroxychloroquine, that could have at this point saved tens of thousands of lives in the U.S., and shortened the illness for tens of thousands more. As I said prior (and linked), Hydroxychloroquine is the treatment of choice for physicians in at least 30 other nations, and in some nations is given out FREE to people. Many doctors and nurses in the U.S. (despite Fauci and the CDC) take Hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure. The head of the French CDC has released studies of its use to treat Covid-19, and has personally used it to treat hundreds of patients. And still Fauci stonewalls and obstructs it from being approved, despite the medication being FDA approved since 1955.

Based on all the above, I would expect Trump to fire Fauci in the weeks after the November election. And based on the above, Trump has been overly kind to Fauci, and has every right to criticize him.


This is the defense for Trump re-tweeting about the medical community lying? And today hospitals have been ordered not to send their information to the CDC but to something else. I have sincere doubts and genuine fear that this was done to hide what is really happening with the pandemic. This happened after Trump was unhappy with the original CDC guidelines for reopening schools and a simultaneous attack on Dr Fauci by Trump and his minions.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-18 10:37 PM


I cited my examples, and could cite many more. There are Democrat-Bolsheviks within the medical community, and even within the CDC, who are attempting to weaponize the pandemic for the Democrats' political gain.

For example, a story reported yesterday by a local Fox affiliate channel in Florida. The reporter talking to the Florida Dept of Health saw 2 cases listed that were 21 or under, reported as Covid-19 deaths, and she asked if there were any co-morbidity health conditions that caused them to die. One of them, 21 years old, died in a motorcycle accident! While he did test positive for Covid-19, clearly he did not die from the virus. It was padding of the numbers.

Another example, there are people in Florida who have been tested repeatedly up to 15 times to see if they remain infected (as opposed to recovered) and this one person is listed as 15 separate new cases!

Likewise, there are people they list as "presumed" Covid-19 infected, but have never been tested. And then they find all their contacts, who might be 15 or more people, and they are likewise listed and "new Covid-19 cases" but are never even tested!

These are some of the ways the numbers are padded and manipulated. there is a push to audit all the counted numbers for accuracy. There is a clear push to exaggerate the numbers to make Trump and Republican governors look bad. So yes, there is clearly a Democrat attempt to manipulate the statistics and exaggerate the outbreak for their political gain.

And regarding Dr Fauci, as I just cited above, he was wrong on a number of points. And you give Fauci and Redfield absolute trust despite their mistakes, even as you demonize Trump for following their wrong advice!
Further, Fauci on a number of occasions has contradicted the president, that compelled Trump to point out that he was right on several points where Fauci has been wrong (examples cited in my above post, and quoted by you).
Trump has not trashed Fauci, he said Fauci is a nice man who he has a good working relationship with, but that he (Trump) was right on several points where he listened to Fauci (and Redfield) but ultimately made a different decision despite their advice. And particularly on the Jan 31st China travel ban, even Fauci acknowledged that Trump was right and Fauci was wrong, and Fauci in retrospect said Trump was right, and that it was "the single best strategic move" that gave the U.S. time to prepare for the coming pandemic.
Again, I feel that Fauci on a number of occasions has pointlessly undermined Trump and been disloyal, and Trump in contrast has been overly nice to Fauci, when Fauci has unquestionably been wrong, and perhaps even been politically malicious in favor of the Democrats.



Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-07-19 2:33 AM
I trust the experts more than “I take no responsibility “Trump. Better yet I believe most people feel the same way and hopefully forces Trump and republicans to act more responsible when it comes to coronavirus. Re-tweeting Chuck Woolery’s “their all lying” was horrible leadership. His handling of the CDC and reopening schools even worse. Most people value our nation’s youth and their safety no matter their politics.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 4:09 AM


Joe Biden (or I should say the puppetmasters who actually make the decisions and run his campaign) announced Kamala Harris as the V P pick, about 4:15 PM today.

Tucker Carlson I though had a powerfully insightful commentary on the Machievellian facts and ironies of selecting Harris.

While the boards were down, I came across this piece that explores tha positives and negatives of all the women on Biden's V P short list:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/joe-biden-vp-running-mate-pick-tracker-377652

Moot at this point, but still a good overview.
I think the wise and pragmatic choice would have been Amy Klobuchar, or perhaps Tammi Duckworth or Val Demmings, who have some credibility as moderates and could secure swing states in Biden's favor that he will need (California was already going overwhelmingly for Biden, with or without Harris). But Harris among the group is the only one with absolutely no principles, who chameleon-like, will politically morph to whatever politically expedient position is expected of her.

Kamala Harris said she believes Biden's sexial accuser, and never retracted that position, even when Tara Reade's credibility diminished. And yet Harris never blinked when offered the sexual predator's V P position.

Kamala Harris blasted Biden as a racist who was best buddies with segregationists and opposed bussing, but then eagerly joined the ticket of racist Biden. No retractions, no pivot. This make for many good Trump campaign commercials.

And I especially can't wait for the Trump campaign to rip Kamala Harris open like a pinata for the vicious things she said to and about Brett Kavanaugh during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings.
Let the punishment fit the crime.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 4:34 AM
Lol, Trump voters thinking they have any credibility. Deficit, unemployment and civil unrest way up in Trump’s America. He’s a failed leader and bodies are stacking up fast because of it. He’s made America worse.

I’m excited with Biden’s pick for VP though.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 4:48 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man

I’m excited with Biden’s pick for VP though.


Every four years you tell us that year's Democrat ticket is wonderful. Even if you hated the nominee during the primary. Biden could have picked a sack of wet cement with a halloween mask on it and you'd call it a bold and exciting choice.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 4:58 AM
Oh guess it’s a good thing I don’t give a shit about your opinion of me G. I actually genuinely like Harris. Biden not so much but he’s way better than Trump.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 5:52 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Oh guess it’s a good thing I don’t give a shit about your opinion of me G. I actually genuinely like Harris. Biden not so much but he’s way better than Trump.


Calm down, MEM. We've been here together for nearly two decades. It's hardly an unfair observation that you always effuse over the democrat nominee.

As for Trump, I think he's having a really hard time running as an incumbent. He won as an insurgent candidate, railing against the system but that's not necessarily going to work when he's been part of the system for four years.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 6:19 AM
It’s okay g, I don’t expect you to be fair or even handed. If you think differently you have a huge blind spot when it comes to WB, lol. Life is to short as far as I’m concerned to really care. As for Trump I think his record is the problem. In any measure the country is in worse shape under him.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 6:46 AM
https://twitter.com/dloesch/status/1293370039832322048?s=21
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 6:52 AM
Pence was able to listen to Trump brag about how his wealth and celebrity allowed him to grab em by the pussy. I wonder how he really feels about that? Or all the dead people from Covid? Or the deficit? So hard to read those dead eyes
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 9:26 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Pence was able to listen to Trump brag about how his wealth and celebrity allowed him to grab em by the pussy. I wonder how he really feels about that? Or all the dead people from Covid? Or the deficit? So hard to read those dead eyes


1) Pence didn't personally campaign on attacking Trump, leading the charge attacking him, as Kamala Harris did against Biden. It really staggers the imagination that Biden (or more accurately, his puppetmasters) would select Kamala Harris, of all people.

2) Trump boasted (unknowlingly on a hidden microphone aboard a bus, 13 years prior to 2008) about the favors women willingly give to be close to a famously wealthy man like Trump, and he just stated a general fact about women who do whatever they can to get close to wealthy men. There is no evidence Trump actually "grabbed a girl by the pussy" as he jokingly boasted about.

3) as we've discussed multiple times, the exaggerated list of female "accusers" of Trump is so obviously partisan and ridiculous. Most of the women either 1) Are liberal zealots or had a similar vendetta that motivated them to accuse Trump, and almost 100% are not even lucid allegations of rape or sexual groping, but mostly just "He looked at me creepy" type of stuff. So there are no proven cases that Trump did anything wrong. Any more than there is proof against Brett Kavanaugh, Jeff Sessions, Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, or Roy Moore. All of them faced similar baseless accusations that came out of nowhere, and disappeared just as quickly after their nomination or election, in a vile attempt to politically destroy them, successful or not.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 10:04 AM


 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It’s okay g, I don’t expect you to be fair or even handed. If you think differently you have a huge blind spot when it comes to WB, lol. Life is to short as far as I’m concerned to really care. As for Trump I think his record is the problem. In any measure the country is in worse shape under him.



Ah. By "far worse" under Trump, you mean:

* Quantifiably, the best economy in 50 years, by every numerical unemployment measure: the lowest white unemployment, black, hispanic, women, people under 30, etc. In several cases the lowest umeployment ever recorded for those groups.

* Trump has re-negotiated trade deals with pretty much every trading partner of the U.S.: Japan, South Korea, China, Central America, South America, Mexico, Canada, the E.U., and now-independent Britain.

* Trump for the first time pressed NATO members to pay their contracted 2% fair share of their defense cost, for the first time in decades, perhaps ever, saving the U.S. hundreds of billions that Obama, W. Bush and others allowed to be fleeced from the U.S.

* Trump (despite incredible opposition by House and Senate Democrats) is re-building U.S. military defense that Barack Obama almost utterly destroyed in his 8 years, to the point that, in just one example, only 50% of our military aircraft were combat-ready when Trump took office. Among other measures.
Trump has been modernizing our conventional and nuclear forces, just in time to face an aggressive surging China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.
And even so, Trump avoided a war with Iran a year ago that neo-con globalists of both parties were trying to manipulate Trump into. A war that a Hillary Clinton or Obama or Biden, or Rubio or Kasich or Romney would have taken us into, racking up several trillion dollars more deficit spending.

* Trump (despite incredible Democrat and establishment Republican opposition) has largely secured the U.S. southern border, reducing illegal crossings by 90%, approaching 100% when the border wall Democrats opposed is completed.

* Trump has slashed regulation, that has unleashed the economy and jobs growth.

* Despite lying propaganda by both Democrats and the 93% anti-Trump liberal media, the U.S. has among the lowest rates of Covid-19 deaths in the world, with only Germany of all nations worldwide achieving a lower ratio of deaths.
Laura Ingraham on Aug 4th deconstructed the Democrat lies about Trump's decisive leadership during the pandemic.
Laura Ingraham just tonight had a report about how the ratio of Covid deaths is roughly double in Democrat-governed states as in Republican ones. And that the U.S. ratio would be far lower if not for Democrat state governors, where the body count is the highest. In the case of New York, Trump moved heaven and earth to give Cuomo ventilators and field hospitals to treat all cases and save lives, but Governor Cuomo STILL incompetently sent these elderly patients back to retirement homes to unnecessarily spread pandemic deaths like wildfire in these homes, rather than use the resources Trump expertly managed and provided, that no other president would have!

* and despite Democrat and liberal media obstruction, Trump is miraculously restoring the economy at a quick pace, the last 3 months the most rapid monthly job growth in U.S. history. The stock market that had dropped to 18,000 from an all-time high of 29,500 in February 2020, even without a vaccine has already risen to 27,700 as of today, less than 2,000 points from its all time high.
Trump has fast-tracked the path to a vaccine, and in very forward thinking has even prepared fast tracks for production and distribution of hundreds of millions of doses to be ready and distributed within months. As Dr Fauci (HIH) and Redfield (CDC) acknowledge, would normally take years, not months. Under a president Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or Joe Biden or Kasich or Rubio, this would never have been organized or prepared. Would that the Democrats and liberal media would give Trump credit for these achievements.

* And Democrats are 100% responsible for the riots, looting and racial violence they have stoked, even as they try to blame Trump, Republicans and "institutional racism". As Laura Ingraham said so well last night.

It makes me ill how the Democrat leadership, and much of the Democrat grassroots, openly cheer on chaos and destruction, in the hope it will hurt Trump and allow your side to win in November.
THANK GOD Trump was president when this pandemic happened and not Hillary or Kasich or Rubio, or it would be years and not months till a vaccine was created. Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin would be completely unavailable, and tens of millions more in the U.S. would lose their jobs and businesses to pointless lockdowns. If not their lives.

PREDICTION FOR NOV 2020: As soon as this election is over, the Democrat governors will go "Oh okay, it's safe to open now, never mind..." As soon as the election is over. These lockdowns are only to damage the economy and hurt Trump, no other reaon. And whichever way the election goes, the lockdowns will be lifted immediately after. Your side is unbelievably evil.
Just as it is evil to stall a House bill that would continue benefits to millions now forced to be unemployed, with the Democrats' stated goal of "leverage" to force Trump to sign off on further Democrat wet-dream spending. Meanwhile, Trump side-stepped the Dems' treachery and signed an executive order to continue the benefits for the unemployed, IN SPITE OF Democrat obstruction. It's quite clear Trump, not the Dems, is the one who truly cares about these people, tens of millions of them.

Plus many other achievements of Trump you ignore. You'd destroy the country, just to manipulate a win for Biden and the Bolsheviks who move his puppet-strings, simply because he has a "D" next to his name, and despite that he has already corruptly sold out his office for 48 years to the highest bidder to enrich himself, including to the Chinese.

But yeah, go on fronting your lying narrative, M E M, despite the facts in front of you.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 2:43 PM
The unemployment rate is over 10 percent WB. It was much lower when Obama left office. As was the deficit. I think it’s also evident that civil unrest is also way up under Trump. As for Trump’s continued failed leadership on coronavirus, polling tells you people outside of Trump’s loyalists are not buying it. “I take no responsibility “ isn’t inspiring leadership.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-12 11:32 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
The unemployment rate is over 10 percent WB. It was much lower when Obama left office. As was the deficit. I think it’s also evident that civil unrest is also way up under Trump. As for Trump’s continued failed leadership on coronavirus, polling tells you people outside of Trump’s loyalists are not buying it. “I take no responsibility “ isn’t inspiring leadership.


You know why, M E M, and yet you lyingly shave the facts to present it as if Trump somehow tanked the economy.
The fact is, there is a global pandemic that has ravaged 189 nations worldwide, and of those, the U.S. led by Trump has fared better than all but Germany, by the measure of the deaths as a ratio of population.
Further, investment is pouring into the U.S. during this crisis, rather than Europe or China, which would indicate the smart investors see the U.S. under Trump's leadership best positioning itself for recovery and resurgent growth. The DOW just closed at 27,976 today, again showing investor confidence in the U.S., and just 1,500 points below its all-time high in February, right before the pandemic hit the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The entire world, every nation, is deficit-spending to care for its citizens through the pandemic. And while you bemoan Trump's deficit, the Democrats want to spend 3 times as much!
For all the partisan Democrat noise and complicit liberal-media trying to tear it down, the country is resurgent. Even the nations that initially had the best Covid-19 response have had setbacks and new cluster outbreaks.
In the news just today, South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand, and behind a wall of secrecy China and North Korea as well. There are new outbreaks in Europe. And I've seen Latin America described as the area that has the greatest surge of new cases and as (I hate the term, but there it is) the "new epicenter of the outbreak."

So, with those quantifiable facts, Trump is handling the outbreak far better than you've given him credit for. When president Bolsonaro of Brazil had Covid-19, he contacted Trump and secured hydroxychloroquine from Trump-recommended U.S. doctors to treat it. You know, that medicine your side says is "DANGEROUS!!!" and doesn't work? That cured Bolsonaro in about 2 to 3 weeks, and prevented him from needing hospitalization.

Hydroxychloroquine. That at least a dozen nations hand out to their citizens for free, that caused a sharp decline in cases in those nations, relative to the nations that didn't. That doctors polled in 30 nations including France (and the French CDC) prescribe as their Covid-19 treatment of choice, despite the Democrat/liberal-media propaganda that it doesn't work. If it is prescribed in the first 48 hours, and often even later, it absolutely does work.
But the Democrat/Liberal-media industrial complex sells the narrative that hydroxychloroqine is "DANGEROUS!!", simply because Trump suggested it as a possible treatment.
Hydroxychloroquine has existed since 1944, and has been FDA-approved since 1955, and has been prescribed to tens of millions in the U.S. and worldwide to treat Malaria, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Lyme Disease , but when it is prescribed for Covid-19 it suddenly becomes "DANGEROUS!!"? Please, be serious.
Third-world nations where hydroxychloroquine was widely taken as a preventive from Malaria have inadvertantly seen much smaller outbreaks, because much of the populations there still have hydroxy remaining in their blood, to protect them.

One I love is Chris Cuomo on CNN, who rails on hydroxychloroquine as dangerous, and yet HE HIMSELF took it when he was sick with Covid-19. Cuomo is a jerk who, while contagious with Covid-19, walked around a crowded park N Y city park while infectious to others with Covid. And when a guy who had seen Cuomo on CNN bemoaning his alleged lockdown at home with Covid, told Cuomo he shouldn't be outside around other people, Cuomo had a hissy fit and threatened confrontation with the guy. Someone recorded the incident on a cel-phone video, that you can watch on Youtube. And Tucker Carlson interviewed the guy a day later about it.

All of which shows the utter failure and hypocrisy of the Democrat/Left/liberal-media, as they try vainly to demonize Trump. That may work on CNN and other liberal networks where they can selectively omit the true facts and shave the narrative, but in the age of the internet, there is plenty of evidence that Fox, OAN, Washington Journal, Wall Street Journal, New York Post and other conservative media are exposing, telling the truth, and that it's Democrats and the liberal media who are lying and not reporting the true facts.

But with the selective omission on CNN of the true facts and the true statistics, I can see how you'd be confused.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-13 3:01 AM
When you try to claim that Trump has the best economy it’s apparent you’re the one doing the fact shaving. Hell that whopper requires a fing chainsaw, lol. I remember all to well how you blamed Obama for everything as he inherited a recession. Trump even with unprecedented deficit spending during a time of global growth still couldn’t top the rate of jobs created under Obama’s final years. “I take no responsibility “ is Trump’s glorious leadership during a pandemic he downplayed and continues to downplay. We have more dead and economic damage because of Trump.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-13 6:12 AM

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
When you try to claim that Trump has the best economy it’s apparent you’re the one doing the fact shaving. Hell that whopper requires a fing chainsaw, lol. I remember all to well how you blamed Obama for everything as he inherited a recession. Trump even with unprecedented deficit spending during a time of global growth still couldn’t top the rate of jobs created under Obama’s final years. “I take no responsibility “ is Trump’s glorious leadership during a pandemic he downplayed and continues to downplay. We have more dead and economic damage because of Trump.


In an unprecedented crisis, Trump has overseen in the last 3 months three consecutive months of the greatest monthly job growth ever recorded. In spite of half the states locked down by Democrat governors just to hurt him and influence the November election. That DOESN'T erase that for Trump's first 3 years he created the best economic growth in 50 years.

The deficits were because of a Democrat-controlled House that refused to give him funds to rebuild our military, and extorted $900 billion in additional liberal spending in exchange for the 700 billion he demanded for Dems to pass a House spending bill to rebuild our Obama-destroyed military. So once again, what you blame Trump for is in fact specifically caused by the Democrats. And then Dems ironically use it as a talking point blame Trump. A lying narrative that is carried and fronted by the 93% anti-Trump Newspeak liberal media.

And once again, if Trump quantifiably has the best economic performance statistics in 50 years, those are clearly higher numbers than in any of Obama's 8 years.
You front that lying narrative of "Obama has higher growth than Trump" by ignoring the massive job losses in the millions in Obama's first 3 years.
When Trump was elected, even before he was inaugurated, the stock market dramatically rose in anticipation of policies of Trump that were known would stimulate jobs growth. THE OPPOSITE happened when Obama was elected, the economy that was already entering recession TANKED EVEN MORE in anticipation of the known regulation and "punish capitalism" policy that Obama had promised while campaigning! And the economy continued to plummet for the first three years of Obama's presidency, and did not improve almost immediately, as it did in Trump's first year.

So yeah, if you shave the numbers and only look at the last 5 of Obama's 8 years, you can front the lying narrative that Obama "created more jobs", by ignoring that about 2.9 million of those jobs were just regaining the millions of jobs lost during Obama's first 3 years. But if you look at the net jobs growth over Obama's entire 8 years, that false narrative of "Obama created more jobs than Trump" is absolutely not true.

It's still hilarious to me how in W. Bush's last few months in 2008, the liberal media was selling the narrative "the worst recession since the great depression" talking points to help Obama win.
And then as soon as Obama was inaugurated, and the numbers ACTUALLY WENT DOWN EVEN MORE, AND CONTINUED TO GO DOWN, FOR THREE YEARS INTO OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY that same Newspeak media was selling the narrative "Ohh we're already in economic recovery and we just don't know it yet, unemployment is just a lagging indicator!"

The ironies abound.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-13 6:38 AM
Keep polishing the turd all you want, it will still be a piece of shit WB. You demonstrate just how crappy his leadership has been during this crisis. Pretty much all the states opened up faster than what the CDC had for guidelines. Trump pushed and bullied states to open even faster. But in Trumpland it’s somehow makes sense to proclaim that it’s really a conspiracy that tries to pass the buck onto the governors stuck with making hard choices that are even harder because the President makes it that way. How dare they try to follow CDC guidance!

More dead, more unemployed, more civil unrest.
No thank you.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 2:04 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Keep polishing the turd all you want, it will still be a piece of shit WB. You demonstrate just how crappy his leadership has been during this crisis. Pretty much all the states opened up faster than what the CDC had for guidelines. Trump pushed and bullied states to open even faster. But in Trumpland it’s somehow makes sense to proclaim that it’s really a conspiracy that tries to pass the buck onto the governors stuck with making hard choices that are even harder because the President makes it that way. How dare they try to follow CDC guidance!

More dead, more unemployed, more civil unrest.
No thank you.


I cited facts, all you have is insults.
FACT: Trump declared a travel ban on China Jan 31, and a medical emergency over Covid-19 2 days later.
FACT: Investment is flowing to the U.S., indicating the smartest people on the planet see growth occurring in the U.S. post-pandemic, not flowing to Europe or China. That indicates despite the 93%-plus anti-Trump liberal media propaganda, the U.S. is widely seen as handling the crisis better. And even countries who have long been praised as handling the crisis better than anyone else, such as South Korea, Australia, Japan and Germany, are experiencing new and large outbreaks.

Staistics don't lie (unlike Democrats and the liberal media) and the statistics show the U.S. led by Trump has the lowest ratio of cases per 100,000 of any nation on earth, second only to Germany. And Germany is currently experiencing a surge of new cases, and could fall to second place.

Sorry these undisputable facts contradict what you would like to believe, and the lying narrative your party is trying to sell.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 3:10 AM
I cited higher unemployment, death rateS and civil unrest. The undeniable reality that is America under Trump. That is where we’re at while Trump continues to stoke divisions and downplay the pandemic. We can now add election interference with his attacks on the postal service. Democracy was a value I thought was something enough republicans valued. I fear that I may have been wrong as I thought honesty was also valued too. If he tries to steal this election count on more civil unrest.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 3:22 AM
Biden expands lead

That made me feel better today after reading about Trump trying to defund the postal service so that it can’t handle mail in ballots. His birther attack on Harris on the other hand I think was a rare political miscalculation on his part. He has all the deplorables already so it could give the Biden/Harris ticket a nice bump.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 5:59 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I cited higher unemployment,


Higher unemployment directly caused by the pandemic shutdown. As it has 188 other nations. And I cited how investors are pouring their cash into the U.S., indicating they see Trump's leadership as uniquely positioning the U.S. as a safe haven for exceptional economic growth and recovery from the pandemic, of all the nations worldwide. Despite Democrat propaaganda otherwise.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
death rateS


Again, asked and answered. While the U.S. is a nation of about 327 million, and yes, does have about 166,000 covid-19 deaths at this point, the U.S. has a far lower ratio of deaths per 100,000 than any nation on earth, with the single exception of Germany. And Germany is currently experiencing a surge in deaths. Other nations seen as having the best preparation of all nations, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, are also facing unexpected new outbreaks.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
and civil unrest.


Civil unrest COMPLETELY MANUFACTURED AND ORGANIZED BY YOUR BOLSHEVIK DEMOCRAT PARTY!
It's absolutely outrageous you would allege Trump is responsible for what your party has caused. It is Democrat mayors and governors who have encouraged these riots and looting, and massive spike in murders, by refusing to arrest or jail those stoking the violence. And even refusing federal help to bring it under control!
I'm still trying to figure out why all this chaos is encouraged and enabled by the Democrats. You're scaring the piss out of even the middle class Democrat voters who elected these schmucks, who are terrified of a world without police. People --DEMOCRATS!!-- are fleeing urban cities and moving to the suburbs to escape the forseeable chaos. And without the wealthy and middle class to tax, services in cities like New York City and Minneapolis and Seattle and Portland will continue to be more inpoverished, more crime infested, more homeless-infested, and dangerous.

But yeah, this is all Trump's fault.
That's just pure crazy-logic.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
The undeniable reality that is America under Trump.


An undeniable reality you can't seem to logically describe in words.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
That is where we’re at while Trump continues to stoke divisions


It is your side, the Bolshevik/Democrat-Left that is stoking division and refusing to compromise. As I've said many times, Trump is a pragmatist who has made it very clear he is willing to compromise with Democrats to make a deal, often with generous offers to the Dems.
Such as offering amnesty to millions of DACA illegals, in exchange for fully funding a border wall. But Democrats don't want to give any compromise, even when it hurts the American people not to, hurts the Dems' own voter-base! Just to deprive Trump of a political win. Yours is the party of chaos and hatred, completely intolerant and uncompromising. Self-destructively so.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
and downplay the pandemic.


There is nothing Trump has said that Fauci and Redfield and other healthcare officials haven't said before him. Yet you demonize Trump for saying it, while exalting Fauci as a god of credibility and flawless medical opinion.
I've already gone on at length about Fauci's errors, where Trump saved a million lives by NOT taking Fauci's advice, that Fauci himself in retrospect acknowledged Trump was right and he (Fauci) was wrong, and that it saved a lot of lives. The travel bans on China and Europe being prime examples.

I don't see that Trump was never unserious about the Covid-19 threat, except in the lying propaganda of Democrat leaders and the liberal media. Fauci and many other prominent doctors said that these epidemics often do have wide infection and then suddenly burn out and disappear. Both Fauci and Trump expressed this as a possibility that was hoped for, not as an absolute.
But you praise Faci and demonize Trump, for saying the exact same thing.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
We can now add election interference with his attacks on the postal service.


God are you full of lies! Trump pointed out that in a recent New York House election, 25% of the mail-in ballots were unable to be counted, and the result of that election is still unresolved and highly in question, to the point that NY should just have another election. The fault of Dems, not Trump, and Trump just cited the obvious. Imagine that played out in November across 435 congressional districts.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Democracy was a value I thought was something enough republicans valued. I fear that I may have been wrong as I thought honesty was also valued too. If he tries to steal this election count on more civil unrest.


It's ironic that your side is trying to rig an election with illegal mail ballots that are ripe for the tampering, suddenly legislated to be mailed out with no planning and no past experience by many state governments doing so. On OAN, an elections expert said 46 of the 50 states are unprepared to competently handle mail-in ballots. The ONLY circumstance where mail-in ballots should be maailed is if each resident were called by phone to verify the address mailed to is current and correct, that under penalty of perjury they are a U.S. citizen qualified to vote, and attach a photo-I.D. copy of their driver license that further confirms they are the voter, and that further confirms their address. Ballot-harvesting should be illegal, and those votes not counted.
You Dems always scream about 2016 Russian interference, and yet you are rushing these 42 million mail-in ballots to people not even confirmed to actually exist or be qualified to vote, ballots already exposed to be mailed out to dead people, and to addresses long obsolete, and a few weeks ago to a lady's cat that had been dead for 12 years.

The Democrat Bolsheviks are pushing mail ballots that are obviously not legal or verifiable, just in the vain hope that the Democrats can defeat Trump.
And like the riots your side is funding and stoking nationwide, mail ballots are yet another way your party is undermining our Constitutional republic and attempting to burn it to the ground, undermine confidence in the system.
Yours is the party of lawlessness, and I think with full awareness, deliberately trying to destroy this country. If not to sucessfully manipulate a Democrat victory, then to create misery and hell on earth for Republicans and for the voters who didn't choose your side. Marxist revolution and chaos, pure and simple.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 6:32 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Biden expands lead

That made me feel better today after reading about Trump trying to defund the postal service so that it can’t handle mail in ballots. His birther attack on Harris on the other hand I think was a rare political miscalculation on his part. He has all the deplorables already so it could give the Biden/Harris ticket a nice bump.


I've seen multiple interviews with pollsters, saying the Democrat ratio of the population is over-represented by 10%, which at a 7 to 9% "lead for Biden" means that Trump is actually ahead. Every poll shows that even as in 2016, while Trump was polling as behind, Trump is less behind in 2020 than he was in the 2016 polls.
And on almost any given day, Trump is ahead of where Obama was at the same point in 2012 daily polls. And we all know how that election turned out.

It's all just psychological warfare, to discourage Republicans from voting. By liberal/Democrat pollsters. Just like every 4 years.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-15 7:37 PM
I’ve seen polls that claim they are weighting the polls to catch more of the uneducated white voters to increase accuracy. I don’t think Fox News wants Biden leading Trump and it’s pretty evident that Trump is trying hobble the post office in an effort to have less votes counted.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-16 3:49 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I’ve seen polls that claim they are weighting the polls to catch more of the uneducated white voters to increase accuracy. I don’t think Fox News wants Biden leading Trump and it’s pretty evident that Trump is trying hobble the post office in an effort to have less votes counted.


Interesting how election after election, that tilting of polls "increased accuracy" always favors the Democrats, by pollsters and news channels who are overwhelmingly liberal/Democrat, favoring in both polls and reporting the candidates they want elected. I could see this bias all the way back to Jimmy Carter's campaign in 1976, Dukakis in 1988 (predicted with a 16-point lead over G H W Bush, how did that turn out?), obscenely biased favoritism of Bill Clinton in 1992, and all facade of unbiased coverage abandoned in the media's fawning over Obama in 2008.
And from 2016 forward, the media and many individual vocal reporters have made it clear it's their holy mission to "stop Trump", and that any ethics of professional reporting are secondary to that. And that goes back to Dan Rather and 60 Minutes airing a fake letter allegedly from W. Bush's Texas National Guard commanding officer (corrected not by CBS, but by citizen journalists on the internet), to "Journo-list" reporters in 2008 openly plotting in a reporters' online forum how to slander and take down Palin and McCain in order to aid the Obama campaign, reporters who were open advocates during the Occupy Wall Street movement, and less-than-neutral moderators clearly aiding Obama and Biden in the 2012 debates. The media bias is on full display every four years, for decades, increasingly more shamelessly. The liberal media's slanted polls are just another layer of that bias. As are the liberal-media-controlled Factcheck, Politifact and Snopes sites.

As wrong as the polls were in 2016 and all the above media antics in these other past elections, I don't buy the snake oil they're selling this time either.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-16 6:32 AM
Well you’re consistent in attacking anything that doesn’t prop up Trump but I think even you have to realize Fox isn’t part of any vast liberal conspiracy. Trump is a vile dishonest man and always has been. The higher unemployment, civil unrest and rising death toll from Covid might be leaving voters feeling America isn’t greater now than 4 years ago. Trump isn’t destroying the post office because he thinks he’s going so well in the polls either.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 4:29 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Well you’re consistent in attacking anything that doesn’t prop up Trump but I think even you have to realize Fox isn’t part of any vast liberal conspiracy. Trump is a vile dishonest man and always has been. The higher unemployment, civil unrest and rising death toll from Covid might be leaving voters feeling America isn’t greater now than 4 years ago. Trump isn’t destroying the post office because he thinks he’s going so well in the polls either.

I'm consistent in attacking Democrat lies that are blatantly untrue!

Trump is the solution, cleaning up the establishment/Deep State corruption that infests both parties, which explains why some Republicans are siding with the Democrats in either attacking Trump, or just not using Senate Republican-majority power to defend Trump.

Regardless of your wishful-thinking propaganda, M E M, Biden has dropped from an alleged 12% lead in the polls (again, over-representing Democrats) to a mere 4% lead in the polls now. And about a 1% margin in most of the battleground states. Imagine if the polls actually sampled a representative portion of Republicans, instead of over-representing Democrats by 10%. Imagine.

As I just explained, the high unemployment is happening in 189 countries worldwide, not because of Trump, but because of the Chinese-orchestrated pandemic. And yet, investment worldwide is flowing into the U.S., because the brightest and best see that the U.S. is recovering and growing at a faster rate than any other part of the world.
Only Germany has a lower Covid-19 death rate than the U.S.

The civil unrest is entirely orchestrated and endorsed by the Democrat/Left. Your side makes no defense of our nation and its history, offers no resistance or condemnation of the Left attacking us as a racist nation with no right to exist, endorses Black Lives Matter (an organization founded by three marxists, for the expressed purpose in BLM's founding statement of overthrowing the United States, and its public message of correcting racial injustice is just a front. BLM and Antifa don't care about the 7,400 annual black deaths, only about the 150 or so killed in confrontations with police that fit their narrative. An insurrectionist movement, and a complete fraud.)
Black Lives Matter and Antifa are insurrectionist armies, funded and logistically supported by George Soros an other Leftist groups. Soros, who incidentally is one of the major funders of the Democrat/Bolshevik party. BLM, Antifa and the DNC are working in unison, as is consistent with the fake-"grassroots" insurrections Soros has orchestrated in about 30 other nations. Read THE SHADOW PARTY by David Horowitz and Richard Poe for the details of how it iss done.

Donald Trump is THE ONLY resistance that is preventing the overthrow of the United States to marxist revolutionaries in our major cities, the only one defending our borders.
If anyone else were president, we would have been overthrown by the marxists now.

If anyone else were president a year ago, we would have been overthrown by the armies of Soros-funded illegal immigrants and caravans entering the U.S. at that time. Among all other candidates, Democrat or Republican, only Trump had the will to stop it.

You can thank the Democrat Mayor, Governor, House majority and Senate minority for doing NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to save your hometown of Minneapolis from having 500 stores looted and burned. And with nothing left there to loot, probably moving to the suburbs there next.
Now your Democrat mayor and freak-show city council have de-funded the Minneapolis police department, and with many police retiring or resigning, you should see the chaos-effect of that playing out over the next year or two.

Apparently you didn't see Rep. Ayanna Pressley saying she "wants more unrest in the streets". You blame Trump, but your own party is the cause. Trump is just the one actually dealing with it. While the Democrats sit on their hands and do nothing to stop it. To stop what THEY THEMSELVES, the Democrat-Bolshevik party, have caused.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 4:58 AM

We're on the third night now of the DNC national convention, and it's just surreal, the lying narrative the Democrats are selling, vs. what is actually occurring in the U.S., and the revisionist lies the Democrats speaking are selling, vs. what has actually occurred.

Even the liberal Associated Press listed a factcheck of Michelle Obama's speech last night, correcting what she alleged about child illegals held in cages. As was cited in 2016, A P pointed out that the photos of kids in cages, both the photos and the immigration policy that put them there, began under Barack Obama in 2014.

Among many other Democrat lies over the last 3 nights.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 5:33 AM
From the AP fact check...
“ The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.

But family separations as a matter of routine came about because of Trump’s “zero tolerance” enforcement policy, which he eventually suspended because of the uproar. Obama had no such policy.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 7:03 AM
Obama...
Standing in front of an exhibit on the U.S. Constitution, Obama said, “I have sat in the Oval Office with both of the men who are running for president. I never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously; that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care.”

Obama added, “But he never did. For close to four years now, he’s shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends; no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves.”

I read today how Trump didn’t want to give diseaster relief to California because it wasn’t a red state. It’s a constant stream of this partisan evil crap. It’s truly sad that Trump supporters enable this. We’re never going to agree on a lot of things but we should always remember we’re one country.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 8:36 AM

Barack Obama, in his speech vagely endorsing Joe Biden tonight: Trump has shown no interest in reaching out or bipartisanship, "he’s shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends".

BARACK OBAMA 12 years ago: "We're going to punish our enemies and reward our friends."
And he did, too. Obama's hypocrisy on full display.

As far as Trump helping only himself, he's the only president who has ever accepted only 1 dollar as salary, and gives the quarterly payments to veterans and other groups. It's a well-established fact that Trump has actually lost money by serving as president, and could have earned a lot more, with a lot less aggravation, if he had stayed in the private sector.
Yet another example of Democrat lies and hypocrisy.
As Ann Coulter said, if you want to see what Democrats are up to, just look at what they are accusing Republicans of.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 8:41 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
From the AP fact check...
“ The Obama administration separated migrant children from families under certain limited circumstances, like when the child’s safety appeared at risk or when the parent had a serious criminal history.


And that's exactly what the Trump administration, or more specifically Border patrol agents, did.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
But family separations as a matter of routine came about because of Trump’s “zero tolerance” enforcement policy, which he eventually suspended because of the uproar. Obama had no such policy.“



That's not true. That's deceptive wording, Border Agents interviewed have repeatedly said they only separated families if they saw evidence they were not family, and/or the child appeared afraid or threatened by the male parent they were with. And the media photos were not taken while Trump was president, but while Obamam was president. This policy was in effect during Obama's presidency in 2014. The only difference under Trump is the commitment to secure the border, and the numbers apprehended.

But hey, and least the anti-Trump partisan liberal-media AP told some of the truth.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 8:53 AM


Kamala Harris bio-video:
"She's an inspiration to little girls who look like her..."


Kamala Harris' V P acceptance speech:
"She [her mother] raised us to be strong black women..."

Why not just: "strong women"?

And:

"Black, brown, and Native American lives are suffering in greater numbers under Covid-19... structural racism... there is no vaccine for racism... the callousness makes us feel alone... "

Pointless identity politics.

The Democrat race card, played to the hilt, stoking race-consciousness, resentment for alleged past racism, and white racial guilt.
The party that splinters America along race and class lines for its political gain. To the detriment and division of the nation.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 9:12 AM

Kamala Harris also gushes about her great relationship with Beau Biden, and how she got to know the character of Joe Biden through those interactions (Harris and Beau Biden met and interacted while they were each attorney general of California and Deleware).

But apparently Harris was so impressed with the character of Joe Biden that she had no reservations about attacking him as a racist, and a sexual predator whose accusers she completely believed.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kamala-ha...-be-lock-for-vp


Kamala Harris:
"I know a predator when I see one..."

You mean like the guy you're running as V P with?
The one you accused of that, said you believe his accuser Tara Reade, and never retracted the accusation? \:lol\:
Clearly Biden's puppeteers selected Kamala Harris, not Biden himself.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 9:45 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Obama...
Standing in front of an exhibit on the U.S. Constitution, Obama said, “I have sat in the Oval Office with both of the men who are running for president. I never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously; that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care.”


Says the cultural marxist piece of shit who stomped on the constitution, tried to exclude Fox News from press conferences as "not a real news channel", had reporters arrested and prosecuted White House staffers for speaking with the media. The cultural marxist who weaponized the IRS against his religious and Tea-Party conservative opposition to secure re-election in 2012, and then ultimately weaponized the DOJ, FBI, CIA and FISA court to spy on and cripple the Trum campaign and incoming Trump administration with false allegations for its first 4 years in office.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Obama added, “But he never did. For close to four years now, he’s shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends; no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves.”


Uh..

* Trump has accomplished far more in his first 4 years than Obama did in 8 years, mostly un-doing the damage Obama caused.
* Trump secured the border despite great Democrat and establishment-Republican resistance.
* Trump re-built our military.
* Trump slashed unnecessary regulation.
* Trump worked to get European nations to pay their fair share of their own NATO defense.
* Trump secured better trade agreements in the U.S. favor with virtually all our major trading partners: Canada, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, Central and South America
* Trump prevented a war with Iran that the Ne0-Cons (Democrat and Republican!) tried to push him into.
* Obama expected a war with North Korea that Trump has avoided. I agree with Trump, that if Trump gets re-elected, Iran, N. Korea and China will immediately sign peace agreements with Trump, but they are waiting to see if Biden will be elected and cave in so they can continue their aggression.

And Trump has made endless overtures to the Democrat leadership to sign a bill to resolve DACA illegals and building the wall, and resolving immigration, often with generous offers, and it is very clear it is the Democrats, not Trump or the Republicans, who are showing no interest, not putting in the work, and not attempting to find common ground. Clearly, beyond question, they simply want to deprive Trump of any legislative accomplishments, and they are perfectly willing to throw the DACA illegals, immigrants, and millions currently unemployed waiting for benefits so they can feed their families under the bus, so the Dems can get a win and stick it to Trump.

What Obama said is the polar opposite of what is actually true.


 Originally Posted By: M E M
I read today how Trump didn’t want to give disaster relief to California because it wasn’t a red state. It’s a constant stream of this partisan evil crap. It’s truly sad that Trump supporters enable this. We’re never going to agree on a lot of things but we should always remember we’re one country.


Trump is not paying the debt of Democrat states who dug their own graves with decades of irresponsible deficit spending. If Trump is witholding anything from California, It's to foece Gov. Gavin Newsom to do the right thing on other issues, such as border security, illegal immigration, out-of-control homelessness, and pointless lockdowns deliberately hurting California citizens just to try and damage Trump politically. There is a huge drive right now to have a recall election of Newsom. California citizens, Democrat and Republican are really pissed off at Newsom for how he has ruined their state.
Likewise in states like Michigan, New Jersey and New York. Against the science, they are shutting down their states just to damage the economy, in a bid to turn their state's voters against Trump. The opposite result in public opinion is happening.

Many families in red states are moving out because their state's policies are intolerable. People are in a mass exodus from New York City, mostly to Florida. Families in states with schools that are closed are either moving to red states, or sending their children to red states with schools that are not closed. Right now they are just self-destructing their own states. If Biden were elected, they would destroy the rest of America, and leave nowhere else to escape except outside the United States. It would be a transformation intoLeninist/Stalinist Russia, Maoist Chinaa, Castro's Cuba, Caves/Maduro's Venezuela, and perhaps even The Great Terror of the french Revolution. We have maniacs beating people almost to death in the street just for being white, crowds threatening to take and live in whites' homes, attacks on police officers nationwide, threatening even Democrat public officials in their homes. Where do you think this is going to end up, M E M?

This is complete chaos, that your party openly endorses, and God help us all if your side wins.




Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 5:34 PM

Laura Ingraham, 8-19-2020, Wednesday


Outstanding commentary on day 3 of the Democrat national convention, particularly the speeches by Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Kamala Harris.
Mollie Hemingway has some of the most consistently insightful commentary, along with other favorites of mine not here such as Maria Bartiromo, Melissa Francis, John Solomon, Sara Carter, and Lou Dobbs.

Different shows are better at different times. I think all 3 nights, Ingraham has offered the best overview and commentary about the convention.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-20 6:01 PM


Cited by Ingrahaam above, as well as multiple others on Fox News, some comments by Obama about Biden, quoted from the liberal media:


"In the first press conference in 2009, the young president [Obama] quipped 'I don't remember exactly what Joe was referring to --not surprisingly' ".
'The President was not Encouraging': What Obama Really Thought About Biden, by Alex Thompson, POLITICO, August 14, 2020

"While Obama had come to like Biden, he often talked about him with a patronizing overfondness --as if the V P were the family dog that kept peeing on the carpet."
"This Town" by Mark Liebovich, NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE, 2014

"One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning, "Don't under-estimate Joe's ability to f*** things up."
'The President was not Encouraging': What Obama Really Thought About Biden, by Alex Thompson, POLITICO, August 14, 2020



Yes sir, a glowing endorsement.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-21 5:24 AM
Obama has been consistent with calling picking Biden as his VP the best decision he made. This was known even when Clinton was running in ‘16. It’s pretty pathetic trying to revise the Obama Biden team at this point. As for the lie that states need aid because of years of irresponsible spending. My state had a record surplus before Covid and unlike lots of other states does not take more federal dollars than it puts in. It’s a stupid easily disproven lie of Trump’s. It also shows how unfit he is that in a time of genuine crisis the country gets this shit over and over again from him instead of actual leadership.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-21 12:14 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Obama has been consistent with calling picking Biden as his VP the best decision he made. This was known even when Clinton was running in ‘16. It’s pretty pathetic trying to revise the Obama Biden team at this point. As for the lie that states need aid because of years of irresponsible spending. My state had a record surplus before Covid and unlike lots of other states does not take more federal dollars than it puts in. It’s a stupid easily disproven lie of Trump’s. It also shows how unfit he is that in a time of genuine crisis the country gets this shit over and over again from him instead of actual leadership.


OBAMA:
"You don't have to do this, Joe..."

And I'd point out that all the other quotes are from Democrat-friendly Biden-friendly media sources.

While Minnesota may have a surplus and not be on the verge of economic collapse, states like California, Michigan and New York definitely are on the edge of collapse and desperate for a bailout after decades of uninterrupted Democrat leadership and irresponsible Democrat deficit spending.
And again in the case of New York state, Gov. Andrew Cuomo was completely unprepared for the Covid-19 outbreak, President Trump gave him resources no other person as president could have organized, and Cuomo **STILL** incompetently wasted those resources and caused the highest ratio of deaths of any region IN THE WORLD, let alone the highest Covid death rate in the U.S.

For all your party's smoke-and-mirrors look-at-the-shiny-object-over-here tactics, the Democrats' responsibility and deceit is in clear view.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-21 11:34 PM



Laura Ingraham, 8-20-2020, Thursday


Some overview and insights on the fourth and final day of the Bolshevik undemocratic national convention.

I agree with Arroyo that it was at many points very strained, preachy, and downright uncomfortable to watch.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-22 12:01 AM



Greg Gutfeld, on the first night of the DNC convention



I'd forgotten just how sickening Michelle Obama's speech was that first night.

"A party preaches empathy while thier very own street team exacts mob justice with lasers and fists. Alas, they said nothing about this. Maybe because, as Barack used to say, they built it."

The party that preaches empathy and tolerance, is utterly intolerant, violently intolerant, of anyone who voices any dissent or criticism of their political views.
Tolerance, it appears, is a one way street.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-22 4:46 AM
I think Biden and Harris did a great job showing America what they can have under real leadership. Trump’s “sleepy Joe” narrative might be a dead horse after this. I liked that Biden included republicans in his convention. While I suspect there won’t be a ton of republicans voting for Biden I think it sets up a nice contrast with Trump’s wholesale attacks on democrats and democracy in general.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-22 5:33 PM


Cardi B Interviews Democratic Candidate Joe Biden -Aug 21 2020


I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why Biden would associate with this piece of crap. Presumably, it's to do an interview with a pseudo journalist, someone who won't ask Biden any tough questions, and who exposes Biden to a black ghetto young voter demographic. And in the original interview this was slice-and-dice edited down from, she rants through most of it, and Biden barely has to say a word.
The subtitles and editing give some illusion of literacy and an actual coherent message.


But the woman is still scum who diminishes Biden by him appearing with her, to anyone who bothers to see who this vulgar "Cardi B" person is:

"W A P" [Wet Ass Pussy] by Cardi B


Her parents must be so proud...

Of course, if Trump associated with someone like this, the nature of the scum in question would be exposed, and Trump would be vilified for associating with her in any way, every 20 minutes 24/7 in every news broadcast for weeks.
But because it's a Democrat... perfectly OK!

And the news media will never let anyone know what a vile piece of work Cardi B is.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-22 6:11 PM
I think given that Trump voters like yourself have had no issue with him being pals with Epstein or him lying about flying on the Lolita express Donnie pretty much has a free pass. Just yesterday I read about one underage victim Epstein showed off to Trump. Sickening that shit stain is in the WH.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-22 6:18 PM
Biden supports additional funding for police
“ I don't want to defund police," Biden said. "I want to get police more money in order to deal with the things they badly need, from making sure they have access to community policing, that they have also in the departments social workers, psychologists, people who in fact can handle those god-awful problems that a cop has to have four degrees to handle."

Seems like a good idea to me.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-24 8:04 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think given that Trump voters like yourself have had no issue with him being pals with Epstein or him lying about flying on the Lolita express Donnie pretty much has a free pass. Just yesterday I read about one underage victim Epstein showed off to Trump. Sickening that shit stain is in the WH.


That is a lying narrative, there is no evidence that Trump and Epstein had any close relationship, outside of meeting at parties. Trump rode one time on Epstein's plane, and Trump severed ties with Epstein 15 years ago. Trump even threw Epstein out of his Mar A Lago club in Palm Beach, and banned him from returning.
Your (and the Dems') allegations against Trump are a smokescreen to hide that Epstein was deeply involved with Bill Clinton who made many flights with Epstein, that Bill Clinton is photographed getting a massage from one of the abused girls, and that Epstein (along with Harvey Weinstein) was a major funder of the Democrat party. That Democrsts knew what Weinstein and Epstein were, but gladly accepted them as close friends and allies anyway.
Whereas Trump early on distanced himself from Epstein.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-24 3:51 PM
“He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Trump like many people that knew Epstein do lie about their ties to him. Many like Trump severed ties with Epstein when his pedophilia was becoming a legal matter about 15 years ago. The 22 year old giving Clinton a neck massage had been an underage towel girl at Trump’s resort when she met Epstein and Maxwell.

Trump was a gross, sleazy and slimy democrat. That hasn’t changed now that he’s a republican.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-25 3:50 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
“He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”


Which makes clear Trump doesn't know Epstein well, just what he knows by observing Epstein at parties, and maybe superficial social interaction. It's clear they were friendly on some level for several years, and then Trump distanced himself from Epstein. And again, Trump kicked Epstein out and permanently banned Epstein from Mar A Lago, for an incident involving a young teen/college age girl.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Trump like many people that knew Epstein do lie about their ties to him. Many like Trump severed ties with Epstein when his pedophilia was becoming a legal matter about 15 years ago. The 22 year old giving Clinton a neck massage had been an underage towel girl at Trump’s resort when she met Epstein and Maxwell.

Trump was a gross, sleazy and slimy democrat. That hasn’t changed now that he’s a republican.


If that narrative rationalizes your evidenceless attacks on Trump. Again, there is far more evidence of Clinton travelling on about 25 trips, at least, on Epstein's "Lolita Express" private plane.

The funny part is, there is hardly a "gross, sleazy" Democrat you won't defend. I think what makes Trump dissgusting to you is that Trump became a Republican, was successfully elected, and has been an exceptionally accomplished president for over 3 years, quantifiably achieving more than any president in over 50 years. Lou Dobbs frequently says Trump is "the most accomplished and transformative president since FDR."

If you really have a problem with Trump's past behavior, you ought to try and look less hypocritical and hold equal scorn for Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, Rep. Gerry Studds, and many more Dems I can't recall offhand. I think rape and sexual assault on an unconsenting woman is perhaps a bit more "sleazy, slimy".
But your side doesn't want to even give Democrat accusers an interview or a hearing. Some have been waiting 40 years or more. And Mary Jo Kopechne is dead. As are some of Bill Clinton's accusers. Just a little bit more "slimy".

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-25 4:20 AM
Look at you trying to bury Trump’s sleazy connections. We both know Trump’s connection to the child predactor are more extensive than what I put in that response. I didn’t like Trump when he was a democrat because I could see that he was a sleazy sociopath back than. Hillary was at least married to Bill when she tried defending him. You are now walking in her shoes defending Trump. Actually you’ve had to call more women liars than her (plus scientists, reporters, government employees and any republican that falls out of line)
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-27 3:53 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Look at you trying to bury Trump’s sleazy connections. We both know Trump’s connection to the child predactor are more extensive than what I put in that response. I didn’t like Trump when he was a democrat because I could see that he was a sleazy sociopath back than. Hillary was at least married to Bill when she tried defending him. You are now walking in her shoes defending Trump. Actually you’ve had to call more women liars than her (plus scientists, reporters, government employees and any republican that falls out of line)


My cited facts, vs. your baseless insults.

Trump threw Epstein out and permanently banned him from Mar A Lago. There is no evidence Trump flew on Epstein's "lolita express" private plane or visited his private island, or was having sex with minors the way Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton are photographed and identified by witnesses to have done. Quite the contrary, the evidence is that as soon as Trump got a whiff of what Epstein was about, he disassociated from Epstein.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-27 4:32 PM
Trump is on the flight log so he’s lying about not having flown the Lolita express. Trump did what everyone else connected to Epstein did back than when Epstein’s pedophilia was becoming a public legal matter by cutting ties. At this point your just picking what you want to believe. Trump partied with Epstein, flew on the Lolita express, spoke how Epstein liked younger woman and wished his girlfriend well as she was being escorted off by police.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-27 5:19 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump is on the flight log so he’s lying about not having flown the Lolita express. Trump did what everyone else connected to Epstein did back than when Epstein’s pedophilia was becoming a public legal matter by cutting ties. At this point your just picking what you want to believe. Trump partied with Epstein, flew on the Lolita express, spoke how Epstein liked younger woman and wished his girlfriend well as she was being escorted off by police.


Trump is listed as flying one time with Epstein, and then once knowwing what Epstein was about, distancing himself.

Bill Clinton is listed as having flown frequently with Epstein on his private plane, at least 25 times. And most recently, Bill Clinton is in a photo with one of the girls forced into prostitution, getting a backrub from the girl. And we all know these girls were coerced in these cases to do a lot more than a massage. Add to that Bill Clinton's long record of sexual affairs, non-consensual sexual assaults, and rapes.

Likewise Joe Biden has a long record of sexually inappropriate behavior. Whereas the liberal media strains to even make the insinuation against Trump. Almost 100% of Trump's accusers are quicckly proven to be liberal zealots making their accusations just to "stop Trump" in 2016, most of the others who had financial, personal or employment dealings with Trump, where later sexual allegations were clear vindictive payback. And in the few remaining cases, it still cannot be proven that Trump did anything wrong.

Contrast with:
Paula Jones, Kathleen Wille, Juanita Broaddrick, Monica Lewinsky. And a few who had convenient untimely deaths.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-27 5:32 PM
You just willing to call all the Trump accusers liars doesn’t make it so WB. Trump lied about flying on the Lolita express. So he’s a proven liar when it comes to talking about his friend Epstein. It’s not surprising that somebody like Trump who believes his fame and fortune gives him instant consent to grab pussy didn’t have a problem partying with Epstein.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-08-29 4:21 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Biden supports additional funding for police
“ I don't want to defund police," Biden said. "I want to get police more money in order to deal with the things they badly need, from making sure they have access to community policing, that they have also in the departments social workers, psychologists, people who in fact can handle those god-awful problems that a cop has to have four degrees to handle."

Seems like a good idea to me.



\:lol\:

That's a hilarious lying narrative, it's so hypocritically opposite the truth. Police unions nationwide are endorsing Trump, after previously always endorsing the Democrat presidential candidate for 70 or 100 years.
The police certainly know who is on their side, and they know damn well it's not Biden and woke BLM/Antifa Democrats.

Please, be serious.



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-09-01 7:33 PM

13 BIDEN STAFFERS EAGERLY AND OPENLY DONATED TO FUND FOR BAILING OUT ANTIFA AND BLACK LIVES MATTER VIOLENT CRIMINALS, LOOTERS, ARSONISTS IN MINNEAPOLIS RIOTS - May 30, 2020


But Biden and his team are moderates, and condemn the violence.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-09-01 7:40 PM


Far more pointed than liberal-media Reuters, this article from the Daily Caller:

BIDEN CAMPAIGN DOESN'T CONDEMN OR FIRE STAFFERS WHO DONATED TO BAIL OUT VIOLENT PROTESTORS IN MINNEAPOLIS -June 1, 2020



Biden campaign hypocrisy on full display. Against Biden's campaign rhetoric, Biden and his staff support the criminals, and they are the criminals. And even 3 months later can't come up with a way to answer for their own actions, and just stonewall when asked.


And more details from Fox News:

BIDEN CAMPAIGN STAFFERS DONATE TO GROUP THAT BAILS OUT JAILED MINNEAPOLIS PROTESTORS



That's a 30-second Trump 2020 commercial just waiting to be made: Biden alleges to condemn violence, but 13 of his high-level campaign staffers openly donate support for the fund to bail out the most violent offenders and put them right back on the front lines of the riots.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-09-09 2:46 AM


Wow...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5wrq0iSbo0

Lou Dobbs tonight reports that the U.S. Postal employee union (about 500,000 employees) supports Biden and other radical-Left Democrat candidates.

The U.S. Postal Service is the apparatus through which roughly 100 million mail-in ballots are being sent in to be counted. They are the chain of cuastody, and yet they are rabidly invested on the Democrat side. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

Oh, I'm sure we can trust these guys not to tamper with the votes! When Biden loses, they won't somehow pull tens of thousands of votes out of a magic hat to give a victory to Biden... would they? Gee, what are the odds?

Never mind that postal employees have admitted to rigging mail-in ballots in the past.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-09-09 2:52 AM



THOMAS COOPER, POSTAL WORKER FACES MAIL FRAID CHARGES OVER BALLOT TAMPERING
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-09-09 3:16 AM


Virginia Mail Carrier Guilty of Election Fraud, Demonstrates How Easy Fraud is With Mail-in Ballots
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-10-26 7:42 AM
Here's a bit of post-2nd-debate commentary by Tucker Carlson, that deconstructs some of the factually untrue deceptions Biden fronted (unchallenged by the moderator) during the debate:

Tucker Carlson, Oct 23 2020, Friday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar-wjknqxSw

The one that impacted me most is details of the "racist" law enforcement legislation in 1994 was actually passed 97-0 in the Senate, and passed by an overwhelming margin in the House as well. And that the Congressional Black Caucus also supported it. And that the legislation actually did result in a vast reduction of the prior uge spike in violent crime at that time, mostly drug-related violent crime. So it did serve its purpose, in putting 100,000 more police on the streets, and incarcerating repeat criminals and getting them aff the streets for repeat offenses. In retrospect we can see that more minor and less violent offenses like marijuana possession or shoplifting charges leading to "3 strikes" were less worthy of a 25-year sentence, but those are cases for a parole review board. But overall, not as unfair and "racist" as portrayed in the current narrative. These were mostly serious repeat offenders, and you had to get caught a number of times to get a 25-year sentence, to be kept off the streets.

And the trojan horse Democrat-Left wish list hidden in the "Heroes Act" legislation that Biden railed on the Republican Senate for not passing.

And the canard that "54 CIA officials" allege the Hunter Biden laptop e-mails are "debunked" and are just "Russian propaganda", a narrative that Biden touted in the debate to swat away questions about the Hunter Biden laptop e-mails, about his Burisma profits and lucrative millions from the Chinese communist party, and kickbacks of cash he and his partners set aside for "the big guy"/"Pop", enriching the entire Biden family. That in fact these "54 CIA officials" are just Democrat party hacks who have a vested interest in selling the Democrat party narrative, to keep themselves out of jail for their crimes, because they will be given cover and corruptly protected from prosecution under a Biden presidency. Whereas investigation and justice would occur in a re-elected Trump administration. One hand washes the other, in the Democrat party of corruption. Whereas Republicans who committed the same crimes would have been zealously prosecuted a long time ago. Even if the case had to be manufactured and evidence falsified or hidden, as it was in the Paul Manafort, George Pappadapoulos, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, and Mueller special investigation cases. These cases were all prolonged, asr still being prolonged, to affect the 2018 and 2020 elections in the Democrats' favor.



I love how moderator Kristen Welker would start shouting over Trump every time he was beating the crap out of Joe Biden with the facts (both her and others in her family have donated thousands of dollars to the Biden campaign, she never should have been selected as moderator). When she would shout over Trump saaying "We have to move on, I have a lot of other questions", she was really saying Don't worry, Joe, I'll save you !!

Trump -Biden 2nd debate, Oct 28, 2020, Thursday - 90 minutes (plus time before and after debate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2AXIx-GU4

A poll by WGN in the hours after the debate showed 74% saw Trump as the winner of the debate.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-26 10:46 AM
15 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN
https://www.tullahomanews.com/news/...2cf063c-0fcc-11eb-9dc7-1b78814c6b88.html

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by Dan Boningo
October 16, 2020



1) Joe Biden is 77 years old, seems to have difficulty working a full day, and has rather famously and significantly deteriorated mentally. He very obviously is physically and mentally incapable of handling a job as demanding as the presidency.

2) Joe Biden has been in politics since 1972. Do you think someone who has been in office that long without accomplishing much is going to sweep in and change everything for the better?

3) Biden has promised to halt all construction on a border wall, cancel the bilateral agreement with Mexico that stops many illegals from making it here, end deportations for anyone other than felons, and push through a massive amnesty for illegal aliens.

4) Joe Biden plans to ban the sale of new AR-15s and then demand that owners of AR-15s sell them to the government or sign up on a gun registry.

5) Biden has publicly said he no longer supports the Hyde Rule, which prevents federal money from being used for abortion. Put another way, he intends to use your tax dollars to kill babies.

6) Biden has noted that he is open to locking the country down again over Coronavirus.

7) Biden has said numerous times that he intends to ban fracking.

8) Biden is extremely liberal. His career ACU rating is 12.67%, meaning he only agreed with conservatives 12.67% of the time.

9) Joe Biden, who has a reputation for putting his hands all over women, was credibly accused of sexual assault by his former aide, Tara Reade.

10) Biden publicly admitted that he had advised Obama not to go through with the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

11) Electing Joe Biden after months of rioting by liberals in liberal cities will send a message that Americans are okay with that kind of behavior.

12) Both Biden and his VP, Kamala Harris, refuse to say whether they will attempt to add more justices to the Supreme Court. Of course, this means that is exactly what they intend to do, even if it will destabilize the country.

13) Joe Biden has signaled that he?s open to getting rid of the legislative filibuster in the Senate, which is extremely dangerous and has the potential to destabilize our Republic.

14) Kamala Harris was arguably the single most liberal member of the Senate and Joe Biden, who seems too feeble to finish his term, made her his vice-presidential running mate.

15) Barack Obama and Joe Biden presided over the slowest post-war economic recovery in American history. Is that the guy you want shepherding the economy after the economic damage caused by Corona and the lock-downs?

________________________

[i]Excerpts from Dan Bongino @ Parler

Dan Boningo is a former Secret Service agent in the White House during the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations, and prior to that a New York City police officer. Since leaving the White House, he has been a political commentator on Fox News and elsewhere.



I'm frankly astonished that Boningo didn't head the list with:

1) Biden has proven himself incredibly corrupt, enriching himself (with son Hunter Biden) to huge payoffs from Ukraine ($50,000 to 83,000 a month, plus other bonuses beyond that, at least 4.2 million from Burisma alone, plus a $3.5 million payment to Hunter Biden from the wife of the mayor of Moscow (tied heavily to Putin, and to Russian organized crime), and to multiple deals with the Chinese communist government, starting with a $1.5 billion investment for the Bank of China (with a minimum commission of at least $20 million), as well as "introductions" fee from Chinese business owners of $10 million for access to then-Vice President Joseph Biden and other officials to fast-track their business, plus many other pay-to-play Chinese business deals made by selling access to his Vice President father. Many of these deals involved dual-use technology, that is clearly selling out the United States in exchange for millions in profits. Profits shared by Hunter Biden with Joe Biden himself, according to e-mails anywhere between 10% and 50% of the profits from any of these deals.
And Biden's corruption goes back to his earliest days as a Delaware U.S. Representative and Senator (see Michelle Malkin's book CULTURE OF CORRUPTION for a full detailed list), including appointing his sons right out of law school to vice president executive positions on the boards of MBNA and Amtrak, two of Biden's largest campaign donors. In his own state, Biden was mockingly called "the senator from MBNA" by the citizens of his state, for MBNA's enormous power in that state, where it is headquartered, and its control over Senator Biden (MBNA is now a bought-out subsidiary of Bank of America).

2) In the words of former defense secretary Robert Gates, Biden has been "on the wrong side of every foreign policy issue for the last 40 years", including the Osama Bin Ladin assassination, Iraq, Afghanistan, ISIS, the assasination of Iran's terrorism head General Soleimani, the military and economic threat of China, and the decision to block travel from China in January 31st to stop the spread of Covid-19, that Biden labelled as "xenophobic" and "racist".

3) The H1N1 flu in 2010 that Biden's own chief advisor Ron Klain decribed as a disastrous unpreparedness and uncontained spread, and said the nation "was very lucky" that the H1N1 virus was not more deadly, as it ultimately spread to infect 60 million Americans. Under a Biden pandemic response, many more would die. Even as Biden rails on Trump for exhibiting leadership and organizing preparation that kept U.S. caualties far lower, far more than Biden would ever be capable of.

4) Under Biden, he would ban fossil feuls (oil, coal and natural gas) before we have an alternative fuel source to replace it. As California has done, and now because California has rolling blackouts of power because it has strangled itself and doesn't have the energy it needs to function. Biden would bring this chaos to all 50 states. He would destroy the fuel independence Trump has brought to the U.S. for the first time in 70 years, and again make us dependent on hostile foreign nations, that would again draw us into foreign wars as a byproduct of filling our energy needs.

5) Joe Biden and Kamala Harris not only endorse Antifa and Black Lives Matter violence, 13 of Biden's senior campaign staffers have given money to a fund to bail out violent rioters, to put them right back on the streets to commit more violence. Biden (and Harris) would give no opposition and no federal troops to stop these maniacs and protect cities as Trump has. Biden and Harris would actually encourage them, bring this violence and looting to cities nationwide across all 50 states by their inaction. There would be no federal troops sent by Biden to stop them, and a Biden government would seize guns from citizens who would protect themselves in the absence of police protection. No guns, no police, no rescue by federal troops.

6) Biden would allow a plan to spread the same chaos and lack of protection to the suburbs nationwide. There is another set of already written legislation for crushing the suburbs, just waiting for a far-Left Democrat majority to seize majorities in both houses and and rubber-stamp it.

7) Biden would allow the Bolsheviks in his party to enact another bill they have already drafted, that would require the federal government to bring back to the U.S. all illlegal immigrants previously deported, including criminals. Subsidize them with welfare assistance, and give them healthcare that is not given even to U.S. citizens. This is again not speculation, this is legislation the Democrats already have written, that they would pass if they were in the majority, and had a president to sign off on it. Tucker Carlson has many times reported on the details of that plan. It is national suicide drafted in a piece of legislation.

That's for openers.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-27 1:40 AM
Kamala Harris on the campaign trail: "Are we in Cleveland?"



Cynically doesn't care enough to know even who the voters are she's talking to (all 15 of them). Then pretends to be excited to be there.

Unfit to lead.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-27 1:44 AM
And...

Kamala Harris: "220 million Americans" dead from Coronavirus



220 thousand, Kamala.

220 million are the number who would be dead if you and Biden were in charge.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-27 1:58 AM
And...

Disaster: Kamala Harris kept in "witness protection" for entire campaign



In the final few days, she's finally been pulled out of witness protection. But in public, her gaffes are as jaw-dropping as Biden's.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-28 10:09 PM
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Tucker Carlson exclusive: Tony Bobulinski speaks out on Joe Biden


Not even the full interview, Bobulinski was interviewed for the full hour, 45 minutes or so, with almost no commercial interruptions. But still far more than you'll see anywhere else in the 92% Orwellian Newspeak liberal media, that is fanatically committed to preventing Trump from being re-elected, no matter how corrupt, criminal, and outright treasonous Joseph Biden is. No matter how much it exposes the liberal broadcast and print news media as liars and propagandists, deliberately hiding the truth.

Despite the volumes of incriminating e-mails on Hunter Biden's laptop (given to a Democrat-partisan FBI who sat on and ignored it for almost a year to shield Biden, until exposed by the computer shop owner, who had the good sense to copy the hard-drive before giving the laptop to the FBI), e-mails verified by Hunter Biden's business partner Bevan Cooney and others who were in the e-mail chains, verifying that the laptop and e-mails are authentic, and now verified again by Tony Bobulinski. Yet even so, the liberal media absolutely refuses to report it and dismisses the e-mail evidence and witnesses as "Russian disinformation" desperately trying to drag Joe Biden over the finish line. Which is polar opposite what a news media is supposed to do.

The media labels this evidence "Russian disinformation", but it is they themselves who are acting as Pravda. I learned recently from a Dennis Prager interview that the Soviet newspaper "Pravda" was so named, because "pravda" means truth. The point being that in Soviet Russia, "truth" was whatever the Soviet goverment determined to be truth. That is apparently now just as true of the cultural marxist American media.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-28 11:03 PM
Tony Bobulinski, initial press conference, Oct 22 2020


Bobulinski's initial 7-minute press conference, where he gave a summary of his involvement with the Bidens, and turned over the 3 cel-phones to the FBI containing all his e-mail and text communications with the Bidens and their attorneys. A meeting treated dismissively and ignored for a week by the BIDEN 2020 Orwellian liberal media, compelling Bobulinski to go more public in an interview with Tucker Carlson.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 2:09 AM
It doesn?t look like Russia is having much luck this time getting their guy re-elected. Even the WSJ passed on this. But hey Trump says Coronavirus is over so I?m sure you have nothing to worry about.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 8:10 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
It doesn?t look like Russia is having much luck this time getting their guy re-elected. Even the WSJ passed on this. But hey Trump says Coronavirus is over so I?m sure you have nothing to worry about.



No...

JOE BIDEN OWES THE PUBLIC A RESPONSE ABOUT THE FAMILY'S BUSINESS
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-and-tony-bobulinski-11603927190



You're such a fucking liar, M E M.

You have to know what you're saying is not simply an error you are repeating unknowingly, but is unmistakeable lying propaganda. But you repeat it anyway. The only way the Democrats ever succeed is by deceiving the American public, hiding their true agenda, and then once in office setting aside their lying promises and advancing their true hidden Bolshevik agenda.

Russia has nothing to do with Trump or Bobulinski, and your continuing to sell that lying narrative is just beyond the pale.
You would make an excellent Soviet apparatchik, M E M, helping shoot blindfolded political prisoners in the back of the head.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 8:16 AM
No, the WSJ?s News Report Doesn?t ?Debunk? the Paper?s Opinion Column on Hunter Biden Corruption
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...n-corruption-dont-contradict-each-other/
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 8:18 AM
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No, the WSJ's News Report Doesn't "Debunk" the Paper's Opinion Column on Hunter Biden Corruption
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...n-corruption-dont-contradict-each-other/
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 9:00 AM
?I have all the emails and documents and texts proving everything?: Tucker Carlson interviews Tony Bobulinski
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/202...cker-carlson-interviews-tony-bobulinski/


How do you argue with absolute proof, in the form of self-incriminating e-mail and text message chains from Hunter Biden and Jim Biden and their lawyers, confirmed by others who participated in these communications?

As opposed to the allegations against Trump from anonoymous (non-existent) sources, and Trump/Russia "collusion" allegations that are disproven by 1) and FBI counter-intelligence investigation, 2) a Senate intelligence investigation, 3) a House intelligence investigation, and 4) a Mueller special investigation conducted by 18 Democrat-partisan lawyers intensely hostile to Trump, but even so ALL these investiations found absolutely no supporting evidence and so closed their investigations.

I find it obscene that New York Times reporters won Pulitzers for their reporting on the collusion narrative, and yet when the story was proven to be absolutely false, did not have to return their Pulitzers.

EVERYTHING that Trump and his staff were accused of, they were proven innocent.
And EVERYTHING that the Hillary Clinton campaign, the DNC, the 7 highest people in the Obama administration (including Obama and Biden, as verified by Sally Yates' Jan 5 2017 White House meeting memo), Fusion GPS, Perkins-Coie law firm, Christopher Steele, and at least 25 key Democrat-zealot staffers in DOJ and FBI accused the Trump administration of, ALL are guilty of EXACTLY WHAT THEY ACCUSE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OF.

All the evidence now shows these Democrats (and Democrat-zealot DOJ and FBI officials) not only arfe guilty of the crimes they accuse Trump officials of, but that these Democrat and Democrat agents manufactured and falsified evidence to open investigations of Trump (manufactured by Brennan, Comey, Clinesmith, Strzok, Page) but also falsified evidence and buried exculpatory evidence to open four consecutive FISA warrants to do surveillance on Trump officials, and set perjury traps for Trump officials. The guilty still run free, and the innocent are still struggling to escaape the legal traps set for them.
It terrifies me that these Demcorat Bolsheviks could regain power, now even further emboldened by having gotten away with it, even after being exposed.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 9:16 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_News_Awards

AGAIN: If the coverage these peeople won awards for is false, why do they still have their awards? The Pulitzer is supposed to highlight excellence in journalism, but in these cases is awarding the EXACT OPPOSITE. Awarding decepttion and misinformation, rather than excellence in uncovering truth.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-29 11:48 AM
I do not lie WB unlike the person you worship and will be voting for...
Trump had one last story to sell, the Wall Street Journal passed

Trump wanted a paper with credibility but all of them wanted to verify the ?evidence ?
Posted By: Pariah Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 3:13 AM
Considering the Murdoch family is ultra liberal and a part of the same elite community as the Bidens, that's hardly a surprise.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 6:20 PM
Originally Posted by Pariah
Considering the Murdoch family is ultra liberal and a part of the same elite community as the Bidens, that's hardly a surprise.

Yes, it's scary that while Rupert Murdoch himself is conservative, his family are liberal/Left, and would like to turn FOX into another CNN upon his death. It's even questionable whether Rupert Murdoch himself is truly conservative, or whether he just found it profitable to create a conservative channel to fill a previous void in an otherwise overwhelmingly liberal media. Many reporters have fled to FOX from the liberal propaganda networks they pecame persona non grata at for simply reporting the news, before leaving their contracts and moving to FOX, such as Sharyl Atkisson, John Stossell, Lara Logan, Geraldo Rivera, John Roberts, Bernard Goldberg, Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo and Howard Kurtz. A number of these are liberals, but were frustrated that the investigative reporting they did on Republicans suddenly (2008 forward) was increasingly unwelcome and censored when they did the same kind of investigative reporting of Democrat officials. Even in its diminished form, FOX News has become a refuge for actual journalism. John Solomon, Sarah Carter and others reporting on the Russia hoax and corruption within the FBI and malicious prosecution of Trump officials on completely fabricated evidence, should haave Pulitzers for what they've exposed. But except on FOX, they are largely shunned and invisible to the maainstram liberal Democrat-Newspeak media.

But even without Murdoch's children taking over, in the last few years, since Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes' departures, new board members and executives at FOX have taken a more timid reluctance to take a hard conservative stance, that have caused people like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Jeannine Pirro and others to almost be fired or quit in pushing to just report the truth. While quarters of FOX News still are "fair, balanced and unafraid" to tell the truth, there are a disturbing number of timid and outright propagandist reporters and Democrat (or Republican never-Trumper) propagandists who front lying talking points on FOX and go unchallenged. "Oh, okay, that's you're opinion" the anchor often says to these propagandists, and leaves it at that, unchallenged.
No, it's not a valid opinion !
The job of a news reporter is to challenge that opinion and correct it with the facts, not just let Democrats (and never-Trumpers) get away with blatant untruths. Reporters, particularly at FOX (because no one else will) have a responsibility to assess these pseudo-factual talking points, and clarify with the known facts whether or not what was alleged is true, and not just let them slip by as "the other side's point of view". When that point of view is false, it needs to be factchecked and corrected, not to just go unchallenged as if it were valid and truthful.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 6:51 PM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I do not lie WB unlike the person you worship and will be voting for...
Trump had one last story to sell, the Wall Street Journal passed

Trump wanted a paper with credibility but all of them wanted to verify the "evidence "

You lie. And so does the New York Times.

It's crystal clear at this point that the New York Times is rabidly on the side of Biden and the Democrats, and would say anything, ANYTHING, to drag Biden's presidential campaign over the finish line. This fish-wrap garbage from the N Y Times reads like a press release from the Biden campaign. And I have no doubt there were plenty of phone calls back and forth between the two in its composition. Just as it was proven there was similar news media/Democrat campaign collaboration in 2008, 2012 and 2016, where liberal reporters were exposed in e-mails as giving Democrat candidates the option to kill the stories if Obama or Hillary staffers felt ia story was too harmful to their campaigns.

How many times in the last 4 years has the New York Times been exposed as completely and maliciously wrong in its coverage of Trump?

In their eagerness to destroy Trump, they get their facts wrong and don't check sources, and are repeatedly exposed within days as having been wrong and unsourced and having completely misrepresented the facts. For example, the Kavanaugh exposure a year after his confirmation, trying to resurrect the vicious sexual allegations against him. Multiple "sources" named in the hit-piece went on social media and said they never said the things alleged in the N Y Times article, that they were completely misrepresented with made-up quotes.
Tony Bobulinsky, Hunter Biden's laptop hard-drive and self-incriminating e-mails, Devon Archer, Bevan Cooney and others, have all confirmed the Hunter Biden e-mails as factual and not made up, as have multiple news sources independently, including Fox News, Washington Times, The Federalist, DailyCaller, and reporter John Solomon.

You can't spin this as a Trump narrative to save his re-election campaign. That laptop was given to the FBI (and buried by Democrat agents) in Dec 2019. The e-mails on Hunter Biden's laptop present self-incriminating conversations, confirmed by multiple persons involved in those e-mail conversations, on dates and events going back to 2013 and 2014, far before Trump even considered running for president in late 2015.
In other words, this New York Times hit-piece is absolute shit garbage.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 7:14 PM
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NYT: Trump Allies Gave Documents On Hunter Biden To The Wall Street Journal


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by Adam Barnes
October 26, 2020


Before the New York Post broke the story about Hunter Biden?s alleged laptop, Trump allies and one of Hunter Biden?s business partners, met with a Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reporter to discuss a similar story, The New York Times (NYT) reported.

Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender reportedly met with White House lawyer Eric Herschmann, former White House counsel Stefan Passantino and Arthur Schwartz, an associate of Donald Trump Jr., in early October in McLean, Virginia, the NYT reported. The purpose of the meeting was to give Bender ?a cache of emails detailing Hunter Biden?s business activities.? Hunter Biden?s business partner Tony Bobulinski was on on speakerphone, according to NYT.

?Mr. Bobulinski was willing to go on the record in The Journal with an explosive claim: that Joe Biden, the former vice president, had been aware of, and profited from, his son?s activities,? NYT added. (RELATED: These Reports Are Essential Reading For Understanding The Hunter Biden Story)


  • Our media columnist @benyt gives a look inside the White House?s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election.
    https://t.co/yILcn8Jxil

    ? The New York Times (@nytimes) October 25, 2020


Trump allies reportedly leaned on the idea that WSJ?s conservative leanings and credibility would give viability to and verify the claims, though Joe Biden has denied the [Hunter Biden e-mail] allegations, NYT reported. They reportedly hoped to ?change the narrative? of the presidential race. Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani, who had been working with former presidential adviser Steve Bannon, was set to deliver his own documents to the New York Post, according to NYT.

As WSJ reporters worked to determine whether the documents could prove Joe Biden was involved in Hunter?s lobbying effort, the New York Post published its own story Oct. 14.
Trump?s team expected the Journal?s story Oct. 19, with the president reportedly telling staffers an ?important piece? was coming from WSJ, the Times reported.

Bobulinski reportedly became impatient with the timeline and emailed a 684-word statement, which Breitbart News published, to various media outlets alleging the former Vice President was involved in his son?s business, according to he NYT. Bobulinski also held a small press conference before the final presidential debate, where he served as Trump?s debate guest.
(RELATED: ?Political And Strategic Value Of The Biden Family?: Trove Of Documents Shows Biden Family Links To Chinese Business Deal)

The WSJ posted its version of the story after the final debate, concluding, ?Corporate records reviewed by the Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.?


?Text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, don?t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture,? it continued.

It doesn't sound to me like the WSJ rejected the story, they were just dragging their feet, while the New York Post and other sources reported it first.

The "WSJ rejected the story" is just the latest lying narrative the N Y Times and other liberal media are trying to sell, to undermine the overwhelming evidence against the Bidens. Another case of the Democrat Newspeak media selling a narrative of "Hey, look at this shiny object over here" to distract from the actual evience that hurts the Biden campaign.

And Facebook, Twitter and Google/Youtube are likewise flying cover for the Biden campaign, in trying to suppress the story.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 7:46 PM
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Music Publicist Says She Was Fired By Email For Attending Trump Rally
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/2...ired-by-email-for-attending-trump-rally/

One of many stories of Trump supporters fired from their jobs, just for supporting Trump, or for attending a Trump 2020 rally.


Just a tiny sampling of the emboldened purge that would occur if the hate-filled Democrat Bolhshevik fanatics were to gain absolute control of government. No dissenting thought permitted, absolute loyalty to the Democrat party, or complete destruction.

I could link dozens, if not thousands, of examples like this. A party that fanatical should never have power.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by Wonder Boy
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NYT: Trump Allies Gave Documents On Hunter Biden To The Wall Street Journal


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by Adam Barnes
October 26, 2020


Before the New York Post broke the story about Hunter Biden?s alleged laptop, Trump allies and one of Hunter Biden?s business partners, met with a Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reporter to discuss a similar story, The New York Times (NYT) reported.

Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender reportedly met with White House lawyer Eric Herschmann, former White House counsel Stefan Passantino and Arthur Schwartz, an associate of Donald Trump Jr., in early October in McLean, Virginia, the NYT reported. The purpose of the meeting was to give Bender ?a cache of emails detailing Hunter Biden?s business activities.? Hunter Biden?s business partner Tony Bobulinski was on on speakerphone, according to NYT.

?Mr. Bobulinski was willing to go on the record in The Journal with an explosive claim: that Joe Biden, the former vice president, had been aware of, and profited from, his son?s activities,? NYT added. (RELATED: These Reports Are Essential Reading For Understanding The Hunter Biden Story)


  • Our media columnist @benyt gives a look inside the White House?s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election.
    https://t.co/yILcn8Jxil

    ? The New York Times (@nytimes) October 25, 2020


Trump allies reportedly leaned on the idea that WSJ?s conservative leanings and credibility would give viability to and verify the claims, though Joe Biden has denied the [Hunter Biden e-mail] allegations, NYT reported. They reportedly hoped to ?change the narrative? of the presidential race. Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani, who had been working with former presidential adviser Steve Bannon, was set to deliver his own documents to the New York Post, according to NYT.

As WSJ reporters worked to determine whether the documents could prove Joe Biden was involved in Hunter?s lobbying effort, the New York Post published its own story Oct. 14.
Trump?s team expected the Journal?s story Oct. 19, with the president reportedly telling staffers an ?important piece? was coming from WSJ, the Times reported.

Bobulinski reportedly became impatient with the timeline and emailed a 684-word statement, which Breitbart News published, to various media outlets alleging the former Vice President was involved in his son?s business, according to he NYT. Bobulinski also held a small press conference before the final presidential debate, where he served as Trump?s debate guest.
(RELATED: ?Political And Strategic Value Of The Biden Family?: Trove Of Documents Shows Biden Family Links To Chinese Business Deal)

The WSJ posted its version of the story after the final debate, concluding, ?Corporate records reviewed by the Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.?


?Text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, don?t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture,? it continued.

It doesn't sound to me like the WSJ rejected the story, they were just dragging their feet, while the New York Post and other sources reported it first.

The "WSJ rejected the story" is just the latest lying narrative the N Y Times and other liberal media are trying to sell, to undermine the overwhelming evidence against the Bidens. Another case of the Democrat Newspeak media selling a narrative of "Hey, look at this shiny object over here" to distract from the actual evience that hurts the Biden campaign.

And Facebook, Twitter and Google/Youtube are likewise flying cover for the Biden campaign, in trying to suppress the story.

The WSJ found that corporate records showed no involvement by Joe Biden. I don?t see where they got to review the laptop but I think you?ve made your loyalty for Trump clear way before this. Like other Trump supporters you just dismiss reality. It?s really incredible seeing people pack in for his rallies during a pandemic and rising rates of infection. The states are left to clean up after them and those they spread Covid to. Blech
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 11:27 PM
e-mail by Hunter Biden, VERIFIED BY BEVAN COONEY, DEVON ARCHER AND OTHERS:

[Linked Image from a57.foxnews.com]


Plus:

Hunter Biden saying he gave (in different e-mails) 10% or up to 50% of all his earnings to "the big guy".

Devon Archer and Bevan Cooney have both confirmed that without question Joe Biden was directly involved in their transactions.

Business partner Tony Bobulinski said that Hunter Biden personally introduced him to Joe Biden, directly involved in their business transactions with the Ukranians and the Chinese.

Bobulinski also said in another meeting with Joe Biden's brother , Jim Biden, with both openly discussing that they were clearly selling access to and influence of Joe Biden, Bubulinski asked "How can you get away with this?!!?", to which Jim Biden smirked and said "Plausible deniability."

Today it was revealed that Hunter Biden flew using Secret Service to escort him to negotiaate theese Joe Biden influence-peddling tandactions in a dozen foreign nations across Europe and Asia.


And that's what we know just so far, with tens of thousands more compromising e-mails to sift through.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE "NO INVOLVEMENT" ON JOE BIDEN'S PART ?!?

I don't give a damn what the New York Times says, or its lying spin of the WSJ. Biden is dirty as hell. Among corrupt deals with many nations, Biden is a Manchirian Candidate who has sold out U.S. national security to our greatest enemy, the one nation that is an existential threat to the United States.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-30 11:40 PM
Just quoting what the WSJ found. Masturbating Rudy has no credibility and is very biased. ( just saw the new Borat movie,lol)
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-31 6:02 AM
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That's a pointlessly insulting comment about Rudy Giuliani, who is one of the great U.S. attorneys, who risked his life facing death threats for years prosecuting key Mafia figures. And also arguably one of the greatest mayors in U.S. history. Giuliani now is investigating what the corrupt Democrat-occupied deep state FBI and DOJ absolutely refuse to, and the complicit liberal media is suppressing the facts Giuliani has personally investigated and exposed.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/22/hunter-biden-and-china-sorting-through-murky-busin/

While clearly playing defense t=for the Democrats, at least Politifact outlines the basic evidence against Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. But as Politicfact even acknowledges, there is clear evidence of wrongdoing, but to date, the compromised FBI/DOJ have not levelled charges up to the present. But regardless, the actions of the Bidens are unethical and a conflict of interest at the very least, and lawes should be changed to make it easier to prosecute these type of crimes in the future. The Bidens sold us out to China and were rewarded millions for it. Compromising U.S. national security, part of which was selling dual-use technology that could be weaponized against us.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-10-31 7:09 AM
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DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN RO KHANNA TELLS EX-HUNTER BIDEN ASSOCIATE TONY BOBULINSKI HE WOULD DEFEND HIM AGAINST 'PARTISAN HACK' ALLEGATION:
Donor records show that Bobulinski has contributed money to Democrats -- including Rep. Ro Khanna

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...ge-hed-defend-him-over-partisan-hack-cla
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-02 3:43 PM
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[Linked Image from lybio.net]


lol
I just saw this on the air again.
Of all Biden's idiotic gaffes, this one really stood out.
Said in August 2019, not that long ago.

If any Republican said something even close to this, their career would be over instantly.

Add to that Biden's boasting of working with white segregationists in the Senate and Congress, in the 1970's trying to block bussing integration of schools, calling blacks in the 1990's "super predators" in pushing 1994 crime legislation that has imprisoned over a million blacks, boasting of Delaware that "My state is a slave state" (As if that somehow makes him more attractive to black voters), Biden's 1977 "racial jungle" comment about not wanting his kids to go to school with blacks, and Biden's glowing eulogy about former Klan leader Senator Robert Byrd and his legacy.
And in that sentiment, Biden is just another unapologetic cog in the Democrat machine. One in spirit with LBJ and his thoughts on blacks, aabout giving them a little to keep them in line, but not enough to really improve their condition. And LBJ's cynical exploitation of passing 1964 civil rights legislation: "I'll have ni---rs voting Democrat for the next 200 years!" If not in those exact words, certainly that exact sentiment and contempt. As I cited in a topic on that ssubject.

That's a buttload of racial baggage to unpack. Democrats only manage to contain it by dodging any coverage whatsoever of it. In addition to dodging Biden's, y'know, groping little girls and any woman he can get his hands on. And the Tara Reade rape story (one that Kamala Harris grilled Biden with in a debate, and said she believes Biden's accuser, then said "I was just kidding" after she was selected as V P nominee. There's that so-called Democrat principle again, quietly sneaking out the back door).

And Biden's selling out America to foreign countries for millions in payoffs, for Biden and pretty much his entire family.

And the senility.

Proving once again that no matter how corrupt and dirty, Democrats will vote for any sack of excrement with a "D" next to their name.
A Trojan Horse, a Manchurian candidate, an incompetent, a creepy groping abuser, and they still vote unhesitatingly. A new embarrasing low for the DNC.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-02 4:15 PM
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REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MIKE DOYLE'S OFFICE, CANDIDATE SEAN PARNELL'S HOME VANDALIZED, WITH SIMILAR MESSAGES[/url]
Pittsburgh Police have launched an investigation into the case of vandalism at Rep. Doyle's office.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/02/doyle-parnell-vandalism-cases/

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by Shelby Cassesse
Nov 2, 2020


SOUTH SIDE (KDKA) ? Two local politicians, a Democrat and a Republican, both the victims of apparent vandalism overnight.
Rep. Mike Doyle?s office and congressional candidate Sean Parnell?s home were tagged with the same message:

?Elections, no. Revolution, yes.?

Rep. Mike Doyle?s office on the South Side was tagged with the message and what appears to be a hammer and a sickle, the same message that appeared on Parnell?s garage door.
?There is an election coming up,? Parnell said. ?Things are hyper-partisan, but this type of behavior isn?t acceptable on either side of the aisle.?
Red spray paint stretched across the Republican U.S. Congressional candidate?s garage door on Sunday morning and across the front of Democrat Doyle?s office.

The message was accompanied by a hammer and sickle, the symbol commonly associated with communism.
?Send a message at the ballot box if you?re unhappy with me or what I stand for, but don?t come to my home and vandalize my home,? Parnell said.
While the punctuation did differ between the messages at Parnell?s home and Doyle?s office, Parnell said he found a brick near the garage that wasn?t there before.

?What happened to Mike Doyle?s office, absolutely wrong in every sense of the word,? he said. ?This is my house though. My kids sleep here.?

Congressman Doyle was unable to speak to KDKA on Sunday but did provide a statement.
?The overwhelming majority of Americans wholeheartedly support free and fair elections, which are the foundation of our democratic government. Vandalism by a few self-described revolutionaries will never change that.?
Pittsburgh Police say they are investigating the vandalism at Doyle?s office. Meanwhile, Parnell said he has been in contact with police in Ohio Township.

Ohio Township Police could not be reached on Sunday, but confirmed on Monday that they are investigating the incident at Parnell?s home.
?The type of vandalism or violence to further political goals is unacceptable whether it happens to a Republican or a Democrat,? Parnell said.
Both Parnell and Doyle are running in the election on Tuesday.

Parnell in the 17th congressional district against Conor Lamb and Doyle is the incumbent defending his seat against Luke Negron in the 18th congressional district.


Again with the intimidation and threats by the Democrat/Left of any who oppose their views, in an attempt to silence them, or threaten them with payback if they vote Republican, or threaten Republicans who would be elected. This has happened to multiple Republicans nationwide across 2016, 2018 and now. Public officials attacked, not just Trump supporters.

Absolute silence from the entire Democrat leadership, no mention or condemnation of these tactics. Because again, Democrats see these as their storm troopers, who intimidate their opposition from voting.
Which is why these peeople should never gain public office. They openly boast about abolishing elections, and going straight to mob rule.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-02 4:23 PM
BUSINESSES IN CITIES NATIONWIDE BOARD UP WINDOWS, AGAINST THREAT OF ELECTION DAY UNREST IF BIDEN DOESN'T WIN
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/dc-businesses-board-up-windows-election-day-unrest
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-02 4:33 PM
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WaPo: COUNT ON "CATASTROPHIC VIOLENCE" IF BIDEN LOSES
https://onenewsnow.com/media/2020/09/06/wapo-count-on-catastrophic-violence-if-biden-loses


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by Michael Haverluck
September 6, 2020



The Washington Post is warning America that only a decisive win for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden will prevent catastrophic violence and utter mayhem across the nation.

Appealing to the same scare tactics used to frighten the world to jump on board with environmental alarmists to battle so-called climate change, Georgetown University professor Rosa Brooks ? cofounder of the Transition Integrity Project ? and her leftwing activist group contemplated war games by laying out ?the four most likely scenarios? for the 2020 Presidential Election results.

?President Trump has broken countless norms and ignored countless laws during his time in office, and ? my colleagues and I at the Transition Integrity Project ? realized that identifying the most serious risks to our democracy might be the best way to avert a November disaster,? Brooks wrote in her WaPo column. ?So we built a series of war games, sought out some of the most accomplished Republicans, Democrats, civil servants, media experts, pollsters and strategists around, and asked them to imagine what they?d do in a range of election and transition scenarios.?

Vote for Biden or prepare for trouble ?

Brooks shared the four results contemplated by her radical anti-Trump thinktank, including: 1) a narrow Biden win; 2) a big Biden win ? with a decisive lead in both the electoral college and the popular vote; 3) a Trump win with an electoral college lead, but a large popular vote loss ? as in 2016 and; 4) finally, a period of extended uncertainty as we saw in the 2000 election.?

Then a dire warning ? resembling a threat ? followed, indicating that a vote for Trump was inviting or asking for widespread trouble and pandemonium ? if votes for the Republican incumbent results in a win for a second term.

?A landslide for Joe Biden resulted in a relatively orderly transfer of power,? the Georgetown scholar shared from her group?s synopsis. ?Every other scenario we looked at involved street-level violence and political crisis.?

Consisting of far-left Democratic leaders, including former Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, former interim Democratic National Committee Chair Donna Brazile and former Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D-Mich.), along with NeverTrumper Republicans such as former Republican National Committee Chair Michael Stelle and conservative commentator Bill Kristol, the Transition Integrity Project is giving every indication it is looking to scare voters away from the polls ? or into casting a ballot for Biden out of fear.

A description of those predicting the violence and of those carrying it out was outlined by the conservative media.

?What do all these people have in common? They hate Trump, and they assume the worst about him,? The Western Journal explained. ?The people engaging in violence right now are left-wingers like Black Lives Matter activists and members of Antifa.?

It was then implied that Trump is a militant dictator who will not leave the White House if he loses.

?The Washington Post painted a hypothetical in which Trump refuses to step down, citing his refusal to say whether he?ll honor the election results,? the Western Journal noted. ?Instead of holing himself up in the White House as The Post suggested, however, Trump has simply said he may have to challenge the outcome legally.?

It was indicated that the liberal daily and fellow Democrats are guilty of transference ? blaming someone else for something of which they are guilty.

"Remember the 2000 election? Al Gore conceded and then pulled back his concession to George W. Bush, and a legal battle ensued,? the Journal added. ?Hillary Clinton has yet to accept the 2016 election results ? consistently casting doubt on Trump?s win, [while] the Obama administration foisted Russiagate on the country.?

Mail-in ballots ? an election the Democrats? way ?

Even more than the threatened violence, what has many Republicans fearful before the November election is the Democratic Party?s demanding of widespread mail-in ballots ? a process that is flawed and best ? and outright illegal and election-turning at worst.

In the face of Democratic leaders? insistence that mail-in voting does not increase fraud, inaccuracy and botched or delayed outcomes, recent results were marred by the problematic process in both New Jersey and New York elections earlier this spring and summer.

While a complete redo of an election was ordered by the a judge due to the fraudulent mail-in ballots in New Jersey, more than one in five mail-in ballots were thrown out in New York City for the June state primary ? and winners in three races were not declared by election officials until after they weeded out fraudulent ballots received by mail.

Even the far-left New York Times reported on the fiasco incurred by widespread mail-in voting, citing how election officials were ?trading blame over the mishandling of tens of thousands of mail-in ballots.?

?Election officials in New York City widely distributed mail-in ballots for the primary on June 23, which featured dozens of hard-fought races,? the New York Times reported in its article titled, ?Why the Botched N.Y.C. Primary Has Become the November Nightmare.? ?The officials had hoped to make voting much easier, but they did not seem prepared for the response: more than 10 times the number of absentee ballots received in recent elections in the city.?

Reflecting Trump?s trepidations about automatically mailing out ballots to all registered voters on rolls ? regardless of whether or not they are requested ? U.S. Attorney General William Barr expressed concern that America has never administered the widespread use of mail-in ballots being pushed by Democrats ? as the usual practice is to send out ballots to a limited number of absentee voters upon request.

?This is playing with fire,? Barr told CNN?s Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday. ?We?re a very closely divided country here, and people have to have confidence in the results of the election and the legitimacy of the government, and people trying to change the rules to this methodology, which, as a matter of logic, is very open to fraud and coercion, is reckless and dangerous. Do you think that?s a way to run a vote??

Flawed elections have been reported nationwide, including on the West Coast last year, when KNBC-TV reported that a lawsuit filed by the Election Integrity Project of the conservative watchdog group, Judicial Watch, spurred California to remove up to 1.5 million inactive voters from its rolls after it revealed that the number of individuals registered to vote in Los Angeles County represented 112% of all adults living in the county.

Besides California, fraudulently set up elections have been revealed from coast to coast ? making adding additional non-requested mail-in ballots to the existing flawed voting system like pouring gas on the fire.

?Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said at the time that there are 3.5 million more names on various county rolls across the nation than there are eligible voters,? the Western Journal noted. ?Conservative commentator Deroy Murdock ? using Judicial Watch data ? calculated following the 2016 election that there were 462 counties across the U.S. in which voter registration exceeded 100% of the adult population.?


This is not wild speculation by Republicans.
This is what the Democrat/Left and their brethren in the Orwellian Newspeak liberal media are saying themselves. From the head of the beast no less, the Washington Post.

Again: these people should never be trusted with power.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-02 5:06 PM
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And in the lighter scenario (if not both simultaneously), a Bolshevik insurrection through pseudo-legality.


THE LEFT IS SETTING THE STAGE FOR A COUP IF TRUMP WINS:
Under the guise of planning for right-wing violence if Trump loses, Democrats are gaming out how to steal the election if Trump wins.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/11/the-left-is-setting-the-stage-for-a-coup-if-trump-wins/


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by John Daniel Davidson
September 11, 2020


It?s been hard to miss the steady drumbeat of articles and think-pieces over the past few months about Election Day war games and post-election planning underway on the left, rooted in obsessive fears that President Trump will refuse to accept an electoral loss, triggering a constitutional crisis and maybe even widespread civic unrest, all in a desperate attempt to cling to power.

?The Left Secretly Preps for MAGA Violence After Election Day,? reads a recent headline at The Daily Beast.

?Is Trump Planning a Coup d??tat?? asks another recent piece at The Nation. ?Is America in the Early Stages of Armed Insurgency?? frets Slate.

Similar pieces have run at the Washington Post (?The election will likely spark violence?and a constitutional crisis?), The Atlantic (?What might he do? What should Americans fear??), Vox (?Imagine that? Donald Trump refuses to concede defeat?), The New Yorker (?Trump?s threats about rejecting the results come November are not idle?), and on and on.


The news hook for most of these articles is a series of elaborate election war games hosted in June by a newly formed organization called the Transition Integrity Project, touted by the media as a bipartisan group of experts consisting of former elected officials, high-level government staffers, consultants, and journalists like David Frum, who wrote the Atlantic piece referenced above.

In other words, the Transition Integrity Project is a cross-section of our elite ruling class.

In its own executive summary of the war games, the group states it was founded ?out of concern that the Trump Administration may seek to manipulate, ignore, undermine or disrupt the 2020 presidential election and transition process? ? never mind the many ways Democrats in Congress and the executive bureaucracy, aided by the media, have been doing just that since before Trump won the 2016 election.

The exercise mimicked the kind of war games sometimes conducted for foreign policy crises, only this time the format was applied to the presidential election, with one team playing the Biden campaign and the other the Trump campaign. The outlandish outcome of these simulations?that in the event of a close election, Trump might ?federalize the National Guard and take military control of state voting sites,? as Frum writes ? tells us less about what is likely to happen in the real world and more about the mendacious worldview, toxic prejudices, and treasonous imaginings of the elites themselves.

In one of the simulations, a scenario similar to 2016 was gamed out, with Trump losing the popular vote but winning the right combination of states for an Electoral College victory. John Podesta, Hillary Clinton?s 2016 campaign chairman and a top adviser to Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, played the role of Biden. According to Ben Smith?s account of the simulation in the New York Times, Podesta-as-Biden refused to concede, saying his party wouldn?t let him and instead alleged voter suppression, persuading the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send Biden electors to the Electoral College.

?In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned,? writes Smith. ?The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do.?



THE LEFT IS ENGAGING IN POLITICAL BLACKMAIL


Whether they realize it or not, Podesta and Frum and the others are acting out a present-day version of the election of 1860, only they?re playing the role of the secessionist South. Indeed, well before Abraham Lincoln won the election, even moderate ?unionist? southern leaders warned that their states would secede if the vote didn?t go their way. It amounted to mass political blackmail, and after Lincoln?s decisive victory the South followed through on its threat. For slave states, the Union was conditional, not perpetual, and Lincoln?s election violated their conditions.

Once southern states began seceding ? South Carolina was the first to go, less than two months after Lincoln?s victory and three months before he even took office ? the long-burning question about the constitutionality of secession had to be answered. For Lincoln and most other northerners, the answer had always been obvious. The ?central idea? of the Union, said Lincoln, ?is the necessity of proving that popular government is not an absurdity. We must settle this question now, whether in a free government the minority have the right to break up the government whenever they choose.?

We now seem to be on the cusp of relitigating the question, only instead of slaveholding southerners blackmailing the country with secession, it?s anti-Trump Democrats and left-wing radicals threatening to tear the country apart if Trump wins in November. For them, the Union is conditional, and Trump?s reelection will violate their conditions.

What do they have in mind? Not exactly an 1860-style secession, state-by-state, but something more immediately disruptive. Depending on the circumstances the day after the election, they might contest the results and trigger lengthy litigations and ballot recounts, working in the meantime to come up with enough absentee ballots to put Biden over the edge. In that case, while the lawsuits and recounts are underway, the left plans to do what it?s been doing for months now: take to the streets.



Last week, an initiative called the Fight Back Table, a coalition of more than 50 left-wing groups that got together after the 2016 election, met to formulate a plan of action in case no clear winner emerges after Election Day. Of course, ?no clear winner? is something for which the left has been rhetorically preparing the country [for] under the guise of ensuring all the mail-in ballots are properly counted.

The group ?began charting out what it would take to stand up a multi-state communications arm to fight disinformation, a training program for nonviolent civil disobedience, and the underpinnings of what one official described as ?mass public unrest,?? according to a report by The Daily Beast. One person familiar with the discussion said the goal was to figure out how to ?occupy shit, hold space, and shut things down, not just on Election Day but for weeks.? By now, we all know what that means.

Perhaps more disturbing than the possibility of organized mass riots and looting is the open fantasizing among Democrats, including Biden himself, about the role the military might play in a contested election. Biden has felt free to ruminate, more than once, on the possibility of soldiers dragging Trump out of the White House if he tries to ?steal the election.?



In June, Biden boasted that the military ?will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.? Later, his campaign released a statement saying, ?the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.?

This isn?t normal campaign rhetoric, and it belies a feverish mindset on the left going into November that any outcome except a Biden win?by any means necessary?won?t be legitimate. That?s why Hillary Clinton has publicly urged Biden not to concede ?under any circumstances.?

Indeed, paranoia and an assumption that any action by the Trump administration to ensure the integrity of the election is tantamount to stealing it pervades our elite class. The Transition Integrity Project?s war games played out various scenarios, utterly divorced from reality, in which team Trump ?succeeded in invoking the Insurrection Act and sending active-duty military troops into US cities to ?restore order,? ?protect? voting places, or confiscate ?fraudulent? ballots.? In another scenario, Attorney General Bill Barr ordered ?the seizure of mail-in ballots to ensure that vote counting would stop.?


Joe Biden says that his greatest concern that is that President Trump is going to try to ?steal this election? and the military will have to escort him from the White House.

  • "I promise you I'm absolutely convinced they will escort him from the White House with great dispatch." pic.twitter.com/MLPhMy2EdW

    ? Benny (@bennyjohnson) June 11, 2020


All this tells us much more about the mindset of the people running the simulations than it does about what Barr or Trump are likely to do in November. The left simply cannot imagine an election in which Trump doesn?t win by cheating, hence they?ve decided they will accept only one outcome. Rahna Epting, executive director of MoveOn and a participant in the Fight Back Table discussions, told The Daily Beast, ?It is very obvious that Trump is laying the groundwork for claiming victory no matter what.?

This is doublespeak. What should be obvious by now is that a broad coalition of left-wing groups is laying the groundwork to reject the results of the November election if Trump wins, and claim victory, no matter what. The same left-wing groups that have been fomenting riots and street violence for months will again mobilize, only this time they won?t be calling for the abolishment of the police but the effective abolishment of popular government?an end to our constitutional system, and with it, an end to the republic.

Alas, this kind of electoral hostage-taking isn?t new. In the months before the 1860 election, southern leaders and newspapers warned in explicit terms that electing Lincoln would mean disunion, perhaps even war.
?Let the consequences be what they may?whether the Potomac is crimsoned in human gore, and Pennsylvania Avenue is paved ten fathoms deep with mangled bodies,? declared one Georgia newspaper. ?The South will never submit to such humiliation and degradation as the inauguration of Abraham Lincoln.?

Most northerners thought this was just bluster, that Lincoln?s election would never lead to actual war and bloodshed. They badly underestimated how lightly the South regarded the Union, and what southerners would do to the country to be rid of it. They should have taken the South at its word.

Now, 160 years later, we face what could be a similar crisis.

There?s a rich irony in the elite assumption that post-election violence will come from ?right-wing militias? or ?vigilante groups,? when the last three months of rioting and looting by Antifa and Black Lives Matter activists have in some ways been a dress rehearsal for what the left is planning in November. You don?t need to read between the lines to understand this, you just need to take these people at their word.
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John is the Political Editor at The Federalist. Follow him on Twitter.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-03 6:23 PM
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The latest chapter in the Democrat-Bolshevik insurrection, exposed today a Zoom-call conference of leftist insurrectionists who intend to "shut down Washington D.C. and the White House", to "force Trump out of office".

This is a group of coordinating federal employees, intelligence officialss, and contract defense employees, in collaboration with other leftist groups, planning to meet in BLM Plaza, and in LaFayette Park.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


Leaked Zoom Calls Reveals Anarchists Nationwide Plans to Disrupt US Election and Takeover Federal Buildings

"We are going to be in a crisis, but we want it to be one that we are creating."
? Lisa Fithian, Trainer

WASHINGTON, DC, November 1 ?Dozens of leaked internal documents and Zoom call video footage were made public today describing plans by progressive activists and federal workers to disrupt and destabilize Tuesday?s US election outcome, including plans to ?shut down the White House.?

The documents and footage can be viewed at a new website
http://www.sunriseexposed.com/
or
https://www.exposesunrise.com/ and will be regularly updated with additional content during the next 48 hours. All content has been handed over to law enforcement.

The information was leaked by a disaffected insider of the ?Sunrise Movement,? part of a loose but extremely coordinated network of liberal activists mobilizing around the country in an effort to ferment chaos in the wake of a potential Trump victory or a contested election.
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The videos and documents discuss a well-coordinated plan to shut down federal buildings (including the White House), public transportation portals, and disrupt Congress when it returns post-election. Sunrise is an umbrella movement comprised of 400 ?hubs? and hundreds of affinity groups including 350.0rg and Extinction Rebellion.

The Shut Down DC Zoom video can be found here.

At one point during a Zoom call that highlighted the role of the militant group ?Shut Down DC,? a spokesman states:

"We have been in discussion for a couple of months about how to respond to different contested election scenarios. The first step is we think we need to start the post-election phase in the streets, so we invite everyone to come to BLM (Black Lives Matter) Plaza any time after 4:00 on election night. On the 5th, we?re going to shut down the White House. On the 6th, we?re going to shut down larger parts of DC and then the following week, all the mainstream groups are going to come to DC and try to have a march on the 7th. "

The network of progressives has enlisted the several key players including Lisa Fithian, a long-time organizer and trainer including stints with Occupy Wall Street and various unions. In the video describing tools and tactics to shut down DC, she states:

Whoever?s got the guns can win ? let?s take over the buildings! We are going to be in a crisis but we want it to be one that we are creating. We want to make sure that we are on the offense and not the defense. We want them to be responding to us and not us responding to them.

Another Zoom call featured federal workers, including attorneys and members of the intelligence community, conspiring to use their protected status and positions of power to disrupt and destabilize an outcome beneficial to Donald Trump.

The Federal Workers video can be found here.


Additional videos and internal documents will be uploaded in the next 48 hours on the website www.exposesunrise.com


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Hey, what's to be concerned about?

These people should all be rounded up and put in pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison for insurrection, for a very long time.


I wonder if they'll even be fired from their federal jobs. The insurrection, as we've repeatedly seen, has a lot of friends in DOJ and FBI.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-04 7:01 AM
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I made a choice early on to skip all of the early coverage and wild speculation, and just looked in for a few minutes at 9 PM and 9 PM.

I actually fell asleep early, and woke up about 12:20 A M, and was surprised to see even FOX News wildly speculating that Biden had won! I was saddened for about 30 minutes, but now slightly over an hour later, I'm seeing that neither candidate has approached 270 yet. And the battleground states that haven't been called yet (most of them with 87% to 94% counted) , are all strongly leaning Trump:

Georgia(50.7%, with 93% counted),
North Carolina (50.1% Trump, 94% counted),
Pennsylvania (56.6% Trump, 64% counted),
Michigan (53.7%, 66% counted)
Wisconson (51.2% Trump, 88% counted),

and
Nevada (47.6% Trump, 67% counted)

all but one have Trump leading by a good margin, well over 50% in most cases.

Currently it's Trump 213 and Biden 238.

It seems to me that Trump still has a very good likelihood of being re-elected, for all the wild speculation otherwise.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Joe Biden in 2020. - 2020-11-07 4:01 AM
Originally Posted by Pariah
Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college.
Posted By: MisterJLA Re: Biden 2020 - 2020-11-07 4:04 AM
Originally Posted by Pariah
Trump will win in a landslide both in the popular vote and the electoral college.
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