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Posted By: Matter-eater Man Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 5:45 AM
Most of the protesters are peaceful but there’s enough to have really done some damage to neighborhoods that were already struggling.
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Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 1:37 PM

Uh... they've burned and looted about 170 stores. I wouldn't call that "most of the protestors are peaceful."

In addition to looting and burning several blocks of stores, they stormed into and burned down the 3rd precinct police station! I'd suspect to do such an organized assault, it isn't just local protestors, but instead leadership of professional anarchists like Antifa or Black Lives Matter, who are rallying the unwitting herd of protestors toward violence.

I think the Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey is at fault. 24 hours ago (Wednesday night), this crowd was already hurling rocks and bottles at police, and making several attempts to storm into the police station, pushed back only by police firing tear gas and "flash-bang" grenades, and rubber bullets. Two masked slender white guys in masks I saw interviewed looked like Antifa.

But when the crowd couldn't successfully over-run the police station Wedenesday night, by 9 or 10 PM they had smashed the windows of stores and begun stealing flat-screen TV sets, and stealing everything else they could carry. At the end when there was nothing left in the stores to steal, the crowd (clearly seen in video footage) used hammers to smash open cash registers and steal the cash, the last thing remaining.
Oh yes!! These people were clearly motivated by principle, to protest the death of a black man by police.

Yeah right.... it was an opportunity to loot and steal, from un-related businesses, store-owners who were already struggling to remain solvent after two months of stay-at-home closure due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

If these were all actual black protestors, then by their choice of actions, they have confirmed every negative black stereotype, using any opportunity to loot and steal and intimidate the public when they don't get what they want. As they did in the Rodney King L.A. riots in 1991, as with Trayvon Martin related violence in Florida, as they did with Michael Brown related destruction in Ferguson, Missouri, as they did with similar cases in Baltimore Maryland, and in New York City. They once again demonstrated themselves to be a pack of criminal animals, that the 13% of America that is black commits 42% of the nations's crime, and 52% of the nation's murders, confirming U.S. Justice Department annual statistics of black crime that are consistent for over 4 decades now, who took yet another opportunity to rationalize an orgy of theft and violence, confirming to the rest of the nation what we've always known them to be. Confirming it, once again.

But I'll be generous and presume that other far-left elements (Antifa and the marxist Black Lives Matter) stoked this mob to burn a police station that they couldn't have organized and accomplished themselves.

And again, I blame the Minneapolis mayor, who should have seen the danger at the latest on Wednesday night when the first few lootings occurred, should have IMMEDIATELY called in the national guard to prevent further store lootings and burnings.
But instead mayor Jacob Frey just sat on his hands and let it escalate last night (Thursday and early Friday), to consume another 170 stores. And now the city is in ashes.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 1:39 PM



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frey
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 1:47 PM



TRUMP VOWS TO INTERVENE IF MAYOR FREY CONTINUES TO DO NOTHING. MAYOR FREY ORDERS RETREAT FROM POLICE STATION, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY SAYING "WE ARE STRONG AS HELL", OBLIVIOUS TO THE IRONY OF HIS OWN WORDS.

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Mayor Jacob Frey said it was his decision to evacuate the precinct.
“The symbolism of the building cannot outweigh the importance of life, our officers or the public,” he said. “We could not risk serious injury to anyone. And we will continue to patrol the Third Precinct,” he said.

Frey said Trump "knows nothing about the strength of Minneapolis. We are strong as hell. Is this a difficult time period? Yes. But you better be damn sure we are going to get through this."


Yeah, strong as hell.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 4:41 PM

Tucker Carlsson, May 28 2020, Thursday



"This is a BLACK-OWNED business."
But if it's a white-owned business, it's perfectly OK to loot that store instead.

Wow, I'm so glad blacks aren't racist.




Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 5:15 PM
I’ll pass on the Trump crap. No surprise he’s still the shitbag he’s always been.

This is just so sad. As more National Guard is mobilized hopefully order can be maintained tonight. Most of the protesters have been peaceful WB and what they’ve been protesting is pretty solid.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 5:31 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I’ll pass on the Trump crap. No surprise he’s still the shitbag he’s always been.

This is just so sad. As more National Guard is mobilized hopefully order can be maintained tonight. Most of the protesters have been peaceful WB and what they’ve been protesting is pretty solid.



Every time you call Trump a shitbag, you again prove that YOU'RE the true shitbag.
Trump is the most accomplished president of our lifetime, and I've linked and sourced the facts multiple times to show Trump quantifiably and statistically has accomplished more than any president in at least 50 years.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/herit...ter-than-reagan
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_...ingly_long_list

Imagine what Trump could have further accomplished if he didn't spend 4 years fighting fraudulently launched FBI investigations, multiple Russia hoax investigations, falsified evidenceless FISA warrants, spies, moles and deep-state Obama-holdover leakers in his administration, documents leaked by Comey and McCabe and friends to create a Mueller special investigation based completely on falsified evidence, and a phony completely partisan evidenceless House impeachment hearing.

As Tucker Carlson just cited above, it's the CNN , MSNBC and N Y Times' liberal indoctrination and stoking of minorities with race-obsessed propaganda, inciting this racial violence despite the true facts that prove there isn't a war on blacks, inciting this racial anger and sense of entitlement to looting, and to violence on police and white America, that is inciting this kind of race and class warfare and destruction.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Most of the protesters have been peaceful WB and what they’ve been protesting is pretty solid.


How could you possibly know this?

They looted and burned 150 businesses for God's sake. I watched live reporting from the protest front lines on Laura Ingraham's show Wedenesday night, where while the reporter was talking, black guys would pick up rocks and debris, walk to the front of the mob, throw it at police, then walk to the back of the mob trying to look innocent, pick up more debris, move again to the front of the mob, throw more at police, in a continuous circle. This was not even mentioned by the reporter, it was just visible while he talked. I wish the cops were firing real ammunition instead of rubber bullets and tear gas at these bastards. These are criminals, and you can see from the footage that they have a lifetime's experience at burglary and violence. This is just their latest adventure, their latest excuse to go wild.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 5:54 PM
Trump is a shit bag and on course to leave the country in far worse shape than what he inherited. More people dead, poorer and unemployed. He downplayed a highly contagious virus but gets all emo and takes fast action against free speech if Twitter fact checks one of his many lies. You want to polish the turd, go ahead but it’s pretty off topic for this thread.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-29 9:00 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Trump is a shit bag and on course to leave the country in far worse shape than what he inherited. More people dead, poorer and unemployed. He downplayed a highly contagious virus but gets all emo and takes fast action against free speech if Twitter fact checks one of his many lies. You want to polish the turd, go ahead but it’s pretty off topic for this thread.


That's a convoluted partisan narrative, with no facts to back it up. Trump is fixing things that have been broken for decades. Securing our borders, incentivizing economic growth and jobs, negotiating multiple international trade deals in the U.S. interest for the first time since W W II, ending U.S. dependency on foreign oil, waging tough negotiations with China to actually protect our country from China's rising threat for the very first time, ending U.S. dependency on Chinese exports, just in time, and now leading against the Covid-19 pandemic better than any other president would.

Your treasonous cultural marxist/globalist party, and Biden in particular, have been selling out to China for years. Biden's son, with absolutely no experience and a crack habit that recently got him expelled from the military, flew with V P Joe Biden aboard Air Force Two and quickly got a $1.5 billion investment deal with the Bank of China, from which Hunter Biden will get at least a $20 million commission. That deal coincided with a softening of Biden's rhetoric with China, and a diminishment of U.S. naval patrols in the South China sea, that also coincided with a rise in Chinese aggression toward their neighbors there.
In addition, just today I saw that a Biden School at the University of Pennsylvania was funded extensively by China, beginning with an initial $14.5 million initial investment.

"Joe China" will not lead us to the promised land. He'll lead us to enslavement and a world dominated by China, exactly where we were headed under Obama, where the U.S. would have been going under Hillary Clinton, what we were saved from by Trump. There is no president since Reagan who has made such a vigorous restoration and defense of our country.
What your leftist anti-American party would do to this country, the intentions they have telegraphed in public statements for years now, absolutely terrifies me.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-30 4:09 AM
A word from a President that was actually elected by the people...

Obama’s statement on George Floyd
 Quote:
Former President Barack Obama says he shares the "anguish" that many feel about George Floyd, a black man who died in police custody in Minnesota.

Floyd's death has sparked days of protests in Minneapolis. President Trump blamed the unrest on "thugs" in a tweet that was later hidden by Twitter for "glorifying violence."

Read Obama's full statement below, including a reference to a viral video of a song by Keedron Bryant, who pleads, "I just want to live, God protect me."

I want to share parts of the conversations I've had with friends over the past couple days about the footage of George Floyd dying face down on the street under the knee of a police officer in Minnesota.

The first is an email from a middle-aged African American businessman.

"Dude I gotta tell you the George Floyd incident in Minnesota hurt. I cried when I saw that video. It broke me down. The 'knee on the neck' is a metaphor for how the system so cavalierly holds black folks down, ignoring the cries for help. People don't care. Truly tragic."

Another friend of mine used the powerful song that went viral from 12-year-old Keedron Bryant to describe the frustrations he was feeling.

The circumstances of my friend and Keedron may be different, but their anguish is the same. It's shared by me and millions of others.


It's natural to wish for life "to just get back to normal" as a pandemic and economic crisis upend everything around us. But we have to remember that for millions of Americans, being treated differently on account of race is tragically, painfully, maddeningly "normal" — whether it's while dealing with the health care system, or interacting with the criminal justice system, or jogging down the street, or just watching birds in a park.

This shouldn't be "normal" in 2020 America. It can't be "normal." If we want our children to grow up in a nation that lives up to its highest ideals, we can and must be better.

It will fall mainly on the officials of Minnesota to ensure that the circumstances surrounding George Floyd's death are investigated thoroughly and that justice is ultimately done. But it falls on all of us, regardless of our race or station — including the majority of men and women in law enforcement who take pride in doing their tough job the right way, every day — to work together to create a "new normal" in which the legacy of bigotry and unequal treatment no longer infects our institutions or our hearts.


A lesser man re-tweeted “the only good democrat is a dead one” yesterday. I miss having a real leader in office that actually has values I recognize.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-30 8:52 AM
Another night of Minneapolis burning.
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Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-30 5:43 PM
The St. Paul mayor said everyone they had arrested last night in St. Paul was from out of town. Thousands are expected to arrive today. This is now about trying to create as much destruction and chaos as possible.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-31 5:59 AM
So far it looks like the police and guard have the necessary numbers tonight and as they repeatedly warned they’re not messing around. I’m getting the sense that they have control that they didn’t have the last couple of nights.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-31 2:13 PM
That are the protesters are being bus to other cities. They’re actually rioting in places like Rochester and Syracuse New York

My parents are staying in a hotel in Syracuse right now. Supposedly far away from the riots. I have to go get them. I may be taking my trusty pals Smith and Wesson
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-31 5:11 PM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
That are the protesters are being bus to other cities. They’re actually rioting in places like Rochester and Syracuse New York

My parents are staying in a hotel in Syracuse right now. Supposedly far away from the riots. I have to go get them. I may be taking my trusty pals Smith and Wesson


Hope you and your parents get safe. My folks live in the sticks so I didn’t have to worry about them for this. Last night was a relief seeing order restored as most protesters seemed to have obeyed the curfew and went home instead of giving cover for those that wanted to commit arson, loot and riot. I hope the feds and state can track down as many of those that were organizing and participating in that.

One positive thing that’s happened is that these neighborhoods that have been hit are coming out the next day cleaning up debris and trying to resume normalcy with people from neighboring areas coming in to help. Hopefully they won’t have to do that all tomorrow.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-05-31 6:47 PM
And I certainly didn’t want to see peaceful protesters hurt but they needed to be dispersed before it got dark as they were giving cover unintentionally or not for the rioting, arson and looting. By last night everyone knew that staying out after curfew was helping those who would do harm.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-01 5:05 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
That are the protesters are being bus to other cities. They’re actually rioting in places like Rochester and Syracuse New York

My parents are staying in a hotel in Syracuse right now. Supposedly far away from the riots. I have to go get them. I may be taking my trusty pals Smith and Wesson


Hope you and your parents get safe. My folks live in the sticks so I didn’t have to worry about them for this. Last night was a relief seeing order restored as most protesters seemed to have obeyed the curfew and went home instead of giving cover for those that wanted to commit arson, loot and riot. I hope the feds and state can track down as many of those that were organizing and participating in that.

One positive thing that’s happened is that these neighborhoods that have been hit are coming out the next day cleaning up debris and trying to resume normalcy with people from neighboring areas coming in to help. Hopefully they won’t have to do that all tomorrow.


Mom and dad are OK other than the fact that my dad tripped over his suitcase getting off the plane and twisted his ankle. Thanks for asking.

Beyond that, Their hotel was far enough away from downtown they didn’t get any of the fallout from the riots.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-01 5:51 AM
Sorry about your dad twisting his ankle G-man. Glad they are far enough away from this craziness.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 9:19 AM



 Originally Posted By: the G-man
I may be taking my trusty pals Smith and Wesson


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Hope your family is safe, G-man.

I was a bit astonisshed to get this text on my cel phone a few hours ago, around 4PM:

 Quote:
IMMINENT SEVERE ALERT

Broward County curfew in effect 9PM to 6AM tonight.
https://bit.ly/BCCurfew



I was only aware of riots in Miami till now, obviously there are problems in Broward for them to put up these restrictions. Odd that they would send me a text here in Boca Raton, possibly to discourage Palm Beach County residents from traveling into Broward.

Just a clear point to be made: Mayors and governors have let rioters, arsonists and looters run wild for a week now. It was only when President Trump called for national guard to be deployed, and Trump threatened governors and mayors with usurping them to restore order and do something to protect citizens and businesses that anything happened to stop the chaos. God help us if Obama, Hillary or Biden were president with all this occurring. They would just let these criminals run wild. Trump and attorney General Barr declared Antifa a terrorist organization, which caused Facebook to take down Antifa's page on Facebook, and prevent a laege aamount of their ability to organize and communicate.

And it's no exaggeration of distortion to identify Antifa this way, it sshould have happened a long time ago. They are essentially an enemy network of terror cels in the U.S., waiting for opportunities like this to attack U.S. cities and spread chaos. This designation should have occurred a year ago when they stated attacking ICE detention centers nationwide.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 9:29 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
That are the protesters are being bus to other cities. They’re actually rioting in places like Rochester and Syracuse New York

My parents are staying in a hotel in Syracuse right now. Supposedly far away from the riots. I have to go get them. I may be taking my trusty pals Smith and Wesson


Hope you and your parents get safe. My folks live in the sticks so I didn’t have to worry about them for this. Last night was a relief seeing order restored as most protesters seemed to have obeyed the curfew and went home instead of giving cover for those that wanted to commit arson, loot and riot. I hope the feds and state can track down as many of those that were organizing and participating in that.

One positive thing that’s happened is that these neighborhoods that have been hit are coming out the next day cleaning up debris and trying to resume normalcy with people from neighboring areas coming in to help. Hopefully they won’t have to do that all tomorrow.



I'll concede at this point that even on Fox and OAN, the field reporters are saying that the majority of protestors the last week have been peaceful, but that a significant minority of leftists like Antifa and Black Lives Matter are trying to escalate things and exploit the chaos for looting, arson and to stoke anger and division.

There were 500 arrests in cities nationwide Friday.
And 1400 arrests Saturday, before the national guard troops were deployed.
And frustratingly, in many cities, while these violent protesters are being arrested, because of the Coronavirus crisis, many cities are not imprisoning these criminals, so they'll be right back on the streets to stir things up the next day.

But again, if not for President Trump demanding action (after a week of inaction by local Democrat authorities nationwide) and Trump deploying National Guard, there would not be a deterrant and stop to looting and arson and attacks on police now. Local authorities have neglected their primary duty, to protect their citizens. The National Guard being called out is what should have occurred at least 5 or 6 days ago, when the first stores were broken into, looted and burned. And before 170 businesses the next night were looted and burned the next night in Minneapolis alone.
I'm still in disbelief that the Minneapolis mayor ordered the 3rd district police station to be abandoned to protestors, and then allowing it to be burned to the ground.




Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 10:05 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
A word from a President that was actually elected by the people...

Obama’s statement on George Floyd
 Quote:
Former President Barack Obama says he shares the "anguish" that many feel about George Floyd, a black man who died in police custody in Minnesota.

Floyd's death has sparked days of protests in Minneapolis. President Trump blamed the unrest on "thugs" in a tweet that was later hidden by Twitter for "glorifying violence."

Read Obama's full statement below, including a reference to a viral video of a song by Keedron Bryant, who pleads, "I just want to live, God protect me."

I want to share parts of the conversations I've had with friends over the past couple days about the footage of George Floyd dying face down on the street under the knee of a police officer in Minnesota.

The first is an email from a middle-aged African American businessman.

"Dude I gotta tell you the George Floyd incident in Minnesota hurt. I cried when I saw that video. It broke me down. The 'knee on the neck' is a metaphor for how the system so cavalierly holds black folks down, ignoring the cries for help. People don't care. Truly tragic."

Another friend of mine used the powerful song that went viral from 12-year-old Keedron Bryant to describe the frustrations he was feeling.

The circumstances of my friend and Keedron may be different, but their anguish is the same. It's shared by me and millions of others.


It's natural to wish for life "to just get back to normal" as a pandemic and economic crisis upend everything around us. But we have to remember that for millions of Americans, being treated differently on account of race is tragically, painfully, maddeningly "normal" — whether it's while dealing with the health care system, or interacting with the criminal justice system, or jogging down the street, or just watching birds in a park.

This shouldn't be "normal" in 2020 America. It can't be "normal." If we want our children to grow up in a nation that lives up to its highest ideals, we can and must be better.

It will fall mainly on the officials of Minnesota to ensure that the circumstances surrounding George Floyd's death are investigated thoroughly and that justice is ultimately done. But it falls on all of us, regardless of our race or station — including the majority of men and women in law enforcement who take pride in doing their tough job the right way, every day — to work together to create a "new normal" in which the legacy of bigotry and unequal treatment no longer infects our institutions or our hearts.


A lesser man re-tweeted “the only good democrat is a dead one” yesterday. I miss having a real leader in office that actually has values I recognize.



Barack Obama is a cultural marxist radical. That is not a conspiracy theory, not a slander or presumption or an allegation, that is an absolute fact.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/summary.asp?object=Persons&category=
(see the listings for Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Anita Dunn, Mark Lloyd, Ron Bloom, Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin, Bill Ayers, Jeff Jones, Frank Marshall Davis, or any others connected to Obama, it's all documented, both by Obama's own statements, and in the shared ideology of those closest to him.)


As I've said repeatedly, and with Obama's own writings and public statements to back it up, Obama's guiding ideology is 1) Cultural Marxism, 2) Anti-colonialism, and 3) Liberation Theology. None of those beliefs are pro-American. During Obama's 8 years, and still ongoing, Obama undermined and inflamed at every turn racial division and class warfare.

When a black racist college professor was arrested by police when he was caught breaking into his own home and verbally abused police causing his own arrest, with no familiarity with the facts, then-President Obama said "The police acted stupidly..." and undermined police authirity. It was in fact the black college professor who acted stupidly, and with a little politeness, and just showing identification, could have prevented his own arrest.

When Trayvon Martin was killed after initiating an attack on George Zimmerman and almost beating him to death before Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Trayvon, as observed by two witnesses, Obama again threw racial kerosine on the fire and said "If I had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon", again stoking and inflaming racial identity politics.

I could further cite *ANY* poll taken during taken during Obama's 8 years and after, even by the most liberal pro-Democrat pollsters, that show race relations overwhelmingly declined as a direct result of Obama's presidency.
As historian Thomas Sowell said a few years into the Obamaa presidency, Obama was elected as a perceived moderate, but governed as a divisive radical. That Obama, rather than promoting racial unity, implemented a "revenge payback society" where his Department of Justice would only prosecute cases where the victims were black or hispanic, would not even consider prosecuting cases where whites were the victims of racial discrimination. And Obama's DOJ sabotaged even the most blatant and easily prosecutable cases of whites victimized, such as the Black Panther voter intimidation case. Causing multiple career U.S. attorneys to protest, go public with the discrimination, and finally resign. A clear abandonment by DOJ of equal protection under the law.

The same corrupt partisan abuse of power that ran through virtually every branch of federal power in the Obama years:
* the "Fast and Furious" selling of illegal guns by Obama's ATF to Mexican drug cartels in an attempt to blame U.S. guin retailers and shut down 2nd Amendment rights in the U.S.,
* the weaponization of the IRS against Tea Party and religious conservative groups by the IRS under Koskinin and Lois Lerner that worked in direct coordination with the Obama White House in over 150 white house meetings,
and
* ultimately, the illegal FISA warrants, spying and otherwwise targeting of the Trump campaign and incoming Trump administration by FBI DOJ, DNI, and CIA, that has continued for 4 years now.

I sure as hell don't miss having Obama as president. Obama was anything but a "real leader".
He was aa "real leader" in the same mode as Josef Stalin or Fidel Castro or Hugo Chaves. He failed to make the power grabs he attempted because of men who are "real leaders". Obama did damage to our trust in federal agencies and elected leaders that will take decades to repair.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 4:38 PM
Yesterday Trump had peaceful protesters who were legally exercising their right to protest flash bombed and tear gassed so that he could waddle over to a church for a photo op. The church and bible clearly just props.

I think it’s fairly evident that race relations have gotten a whole lot worse under Trump.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 9:10 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Yesterday Trump had peaceful protesters who were legally exercising their right to protest flash bombed and tear gassed so that he could waddle over to a church for a photo op. The church and bible clearly just props.

I think it’s fairly evident that race relations have gotten a whole lot worse under Trump.



I realize those are the lying talking points of the Democrats today, but that is **NOT** what happened.
The crowd was warned 3 times to leave starting about 6:20 PM, and curfew would force them to leave by 7 PM without the warnings, and only some time after the third warning were they forced to leave with tear gas.

Visible on-camera in the news footage, Trump walked past walls of the White House that were covered with graffiti in just the last two days by many of these "peaceful" demonstrators who think nothing of damaging property, even the home of the president.
Trump walked across the street to a church attended by every U.S. president that was burned the night before by some of these "peaceful" protestors.

And his being there was not a "photo-op", it was a strong statement about undaunted religious freedom that President Trump has been a strong advocate for during his entire presidency, more so than any other president. And further, he just signed a bill advocating religious freedom and non-persecution yesterday, for defense of religious freedom worldwide.

On top of that, the incredible irony, that many Democrat pieces of shit cheer on the closing of churches, and Democrats have cheered on for the last 20 years the chipping away of Christian representation in U.S. culture, and attacks on Christian religious freedom. Incredible irony, that they call Trump's ACTUAL defense of religious freedom, pushing back Democrat intrusions on that freedom, as just a "photo-op".
And that these same lying Democrat pieces of shit cheered on the closing of churches by police nationwide since the Covid-19 pandemic began, the restriction on gunstores and conservatives buying guns to defend themselves as tens of thousands of convicted felons are released from jails by liberal mayors and governors nationwide, who simultaneously have arrested pastors and hairstylists, gym owners and restaurant owners opening their shops so they can feed their families, businesses arbitrarily deemed "non-essential". Amid these same Democrat leaders' selective openings of corporate and other Democrat-friendly businesses like abortion clinics. Democrat leaders who then have the audacity to accuse Trump, WHO DEFENDED these people, when the Democrats would not, of just doing that defense as a "photo-op". Words. Deeds.

The Democrats are such liars, and I can't believe there are folls like you who still support and vote for them. There is absolutely no one, not whites, not Christians, not blacks, not hispanics, not the elderly in nursing homes, not gays, that your piece of shit party would not throw under the bus to gain political power. In liberal-dominated Minnesota or Massachusetts or California or New York, even those most loyal to the Democrat-Bolshevik party have been thrown under that bus, in just the last 4 months. Democrats in those states are just as deprived of income by politically motivated shutdowns, just as threatened by the felons released, just as impacted by Democrat leaders not protecting the elderly relatives in nursing homes, just as impacted by these riots that your local leaders refused to send national guard troops to stop from looting and burning businesses. And the incredible thing is, you morons will still vote Democrat and reward the vicious Bolsheviks who did this to you!
Although I think those numbers will go down in Nov 2020, if only slightly. It's been an impressive parade of failure the last 4 years, some of it only recently exposed:

* The false basis for the FISA warrants and Trump/Russia investigation, people like Adam Schiff, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, James Comey, Andrew McCabe saying one thing on CNN and MSNBC about Trump being a "Russian asset" and then saying the polar opposite *under oath* in closed hearings.

* The pandemic shutdown where only Democrat states try to prolong it to damage the economy, to hurt Trump politically, caring nothing about the millions of working-class people that hurts, the people that policy literally starves, who unlike Pelosi with her $24,000 freezer filled with lusury ice creams, find it impossible to wait while Pelosi delays legislation for weeks, stonewalling for liberal concessions for sanctuary cities and planned parenthood while these people starve.

* The Democrats who exploit the crisis to implement their authoritarian persecution of conservative and their businesses, while giving "essential" status to things like marijuana businesses and Planned Parenthood abortion clinics.

It's obscene. And people are watching. Plenty of Democrat morons will still vote Democrat this election. But a lot of them have been awakened and pissed off, and will vote Republican this November.



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-02 9:21 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man

I think it’s fairly evident that race relations have gotten a whole lot worse under Trump.



\:lol\:


Trump has the lowest unemployment numbers for blacks since they began tracking statistics for it, in 1972 !
Likewise for Hispanics, asians, women, under-25 employment, all the lowest in 50 years.

Trump has released many blacks from jail who were given excessive sentences. Either releasing them or reducing sentences to more equal and proportionate sentences. Something Democrats for all their posturing never did, in all the decades and administrations they had power.

As I cited previously, a black billionaire said that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to black America, and has done more to advance black Americans than any other administration.

Further, as I quoted from Tavis Smiley, then with PBS, Barack Obama during his 8 years "wiped away 50 years of black progress", and that if Obama were a white president instead of a black one "there would have been million-man black marches on Washington" because of the damage Obama's presidency did to black America.

But yeah, whatever. Sorry the facts don't gel with your lying talking points. Much as your side tries to front that lying narrative.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-03 1:26 AM
I don’t know why you bother trying to deceive me on the black unemployment rate.

Obama took black unemployment from above 16 percent down to 8 percent. Difference of over 7 percent.

Trump handed with a much better economy saw black unemployment fall to 6 percent. Difference is 2 percent.

It is currently over 16 percent.

Trump even before the pandemic blew up the deficit with increased spending while reducing revenue. I will never buy into the next time a democrat is president and you rail on the deficit needing to be taken care of.

Facts are not your friend.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-03 1:43 AM
White supremacists poses as Antifa, call for violence
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New York (CNN Business)A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.

Before it emerged the account was run by white supremacists, Donald Trump Jr., President Donald Trump's son, pointed his 2.8 million Instagram followers to the account as an example how dangerous Antifa is.
"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."
...


Not the biggest story in all this but I do see Trump and Barr trying to only promote Antifa as the trouble makers. Without providing any evidence and of course totally ignoring stuff like this.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-03 4:16 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I don’t know why you bother trying to deceive me on the black unemployment rate.

Obama took black unemployment from above 16 percent down to 8 percent. Difference of over 7 percent.

Trump handed with a much better economy saw black unemployment fall to 6 percent. Difference is 2 percent.

It is currently over 16 percent.

Trump even before the pandemic blew up the deficit with increased spending while reducing revenue. I will never buy into the next time a democrat is president and you rail on the deficit needing to be taken care of.

Facts are not your friend.



It has been reported repeatedly that black unemployment under Trump is the lowest it has ever been, since the labor department began tracking black unemployment statistics in 1972.
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national...6920bfdad1.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-on-record

And again, the lowest hispanic unemployment.
and the lowest women's unemployment since the 1950's.
And the lowest under-25 unemployment.

I don't know how you can evade and misrepresent what are widely reported facts.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-03 5:15 PM
Most of the gains in jobs happened under Obama WB as I plainly pointed out. You’re giving Trump credit for lowering it by a couple of percentage points but black unemployment saw its biggest drop under Obama. Trump increased spending and cut revenues so yes by blowing up the deficit he was able to lower unemployment a little bit more to break some records but it’s not sustainable nor something republicans would ever be for if a democrat was in office. Like I said, I will never believe republicans being principled on the deficit after this.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-03 5:37 PM
Unemployment year by year

To back up my numbers WB. You’re giving Trump credit for mostly what happened under Obama.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-04 10:24 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Most of the gains in jobs happened under Obama WB as I plainly pointed out. You’re giving Trump credit for lowering it by a couple of percentage points but black unemployment saw its biggest drop under Obama. Trump increased spending and cut revenues so yes by blowing up the deficit he was able to lower unemployment a little bit more to break some records but it’s not sustainable nor something republicans would ever be for if a democrat was in office. Like I said, I will never believe republicans being principled on the deficit after this.



That is, once again, your lying narrative.

The fact is, annual growth under 8 years of Obama never exceeded 2%, and under Trump's economic reforms, the economy immediately doubled to almost 4% in just Trump's first year as president. I think diminished only by 5 major hurricanes in Texas, in Puerto Rico and in Florida. If not for the large economic hit from those disasters, I think it would have exceeded 4% in Trump's first year.

Keep in mind that Obama and his economic advisors had called their below-2% annual growth the "new normal", they thought that was the best that could be achieved in the current era. They could not even imagine 4% growth. And yet they want to take credit for the unprecedented growth that occurred under Trump?!?
No, that is a lying narrative of Obama and the Democrats, to try and steal credit for a level of growth that they could not even imagine!

Further, Trump's economic performance is the best in 50 years. That exceeds not only Obama's economy, but also the growth under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, G.H.W Bush, Clinton, W. Bush, and yes, Obama. There's just no getting around that. Despite you and your party's best attempts to create a false narrative to spin it otherwise. Those are the facts.
It was a dramatic pro-business shift in economic policy under Trump that created that additional growth. Whereas Obama's punitive anti-business policy and the additional burden of Obamacare had stunted growth. I worked at a job in 2012-2013 where "full time" was 32 hours a week, because to allow 40 hours would have cause them the unsustainable burden of providing everything Obamacare required, which would not have been sustainable and would have driven them out of business.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-04 6:40 PM
You’re the one who can’t acknowledge that Obama by the numbers created more jobs than Trump and lowered unemployment for everyone including blacks by much larger percentage than Trump. I do recognize that Trump not constrained by spending or concern for the deficit was able to decrease unemployment a couple more percentage points that broke records. The tax cuts and increased spending during good economic times though certainly are not sustainable. Our deficit grew much faster during a time it should have been addressed. But your party only uses that when it doesn’t have the WH. So have high unemployment a huge deficit and a weak commander in chief who can’t just file for bankruptcy like he did in the private sector when he ran things into the ground.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-04 7:34 PM
James Mattis’s rebuke of Trump

This is someone who saw first hand Trump in office. Trump’s actions of clearing out peaceful protesters using force so that he could waddle over to a church for a photo op was a new low even for him.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-05 2:26 PM

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
James Mattis’s rebuke of Trump

This is someone who saw first hand Trump in office. Trump’s actions of clearing out peaceful protesters using force so that he could waddle over to a church for a photo op was a new low even for him.


This is another deep state establishment piece of shit who makes a habit of attacking President Trump, and has enriched himself as a part of the establishment system. And is a registered Democrat. Like Jeff Sessions, Mattis was a huge disappointment, although I think Jeff Sessions is a man of integrity, although a weak and indecisive attorney general.

Mattis is in the same category as people like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, James Brennan, Lisa Murkowski John McCain and Mitt Romney. If Mattis had any legitimate criticisms or advice, he should have made them to the president privately. Likewise Mark Esper, who I can't believe still has a job. This is yet another cheap political stunt, calculated to undermine the president. Like so many cheap political stunts before it, by both the Democrat and Republican establishments, who are terrified of the reforms Trump is trying to implement.
A guest on Bill Moyers about 15 years ago said "Both parties are so deeply invested in the system not working, that it is doubtful either party will ever fix it."
That was the case until Donald Trump became president. They are deeply invested and enriching themselves by having the system not work, which means they will do or say anything to destroy Trump to prevent those reforms.

Posted By: Burt Ward Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-05 4:05 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I’ll pass on the Trump crap. No surprise he’s still the shitbag he’s always been.

This is just so sad. As more National Guard is mobilized hopefully order can be maintained tonight. Most of the protesters have been peaceful WB and what they’ve been protesting is pretty solid.

All Politicians suck. They are all egomaniacs, and some psychopaths. Trump was quite funny for awhile, but the schtick got old, and many would prefer someone with obvious dementia..
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-05 4:17 PM

Former New York police officer and Obama-era white house secret service agent Dan Boninger last night rightly said this is not a protest over a single case of police brutality in Minneapolis. This is a highly organized leftist/Antifa nationwide insurrection. Funded and orchestrated by figures including George Soros and Barack Obama.
In particular, these "peaceful protestors" made multiple attempts to seige the White House. When they were pushed back, they had made multiple threats to increase attacks on police officers, throwing rocks and bottles at officers, and had injured at least 60 secret service agents around the White House (more agents than have ever been injured!) The "peaceful protestors" were probing for weakness, for an organized seige on the White House.
"Peaceful demonstrations" is a lying narrative.

And now there is a new narrative pushed in cities nationwide, to "de-fund the police". Or even "abolish the police".
Police departments that were, as the system currently exists, almost overwhelmed in cities nationwide, if not for Trump mobilizing the National Guard to beseiged cities. How much less able to protect citizens and avoid being overwhelmed, if "de-funded"?

If not for Donald Trump, we would have been overwhelmed by an Obama/Left-orchestrated huge wave of illegal immigrants and caravans, a wave enabled with a Soros-funded army of liberal attorneys teaching illegals how to lie and circumnavigate the U.S. immigration system. Soros and other marxist groups also organized and funded the logisticss of massive caravans of illegals to the U.S. border, on a par with a military operation. Trump prevented it.

If not for Donald Trump as president, we would now be at the mercy of China's unfair trade practices. Trump is the first president in over 30 years to stand up to China, and Trump initiated a trade war that vastly diminished U.S. dependency on China just in time, just before the current Covid-19 pandemic was unleashed on us and the rest of the world. No other president would have done this and cushioned the U.S. from China-dependency, and moved us back toward sovereignty.

If not for Donald Trump as president, the current Soros/Antifa-orchestrated insurrection would be overwhelming our country right now, and perhaps even burning the White House now, just as they did the 3rd precinct police station in Minneapolis. And the Democrat/Left is bashing Trump as "authoritarian" for saving the country!?! The Democrat/Left in the House and Senate is currently trying to pass a bill to prevent Trump from having the authority to similarly mobilize the national guard in a future crisis!

On multiple fronts, without Donald Trump as president, our republic would ceast to exist during this 8-year period. There is no other leader, Democrat or Republican, who has demonstrated the unwavering resolve to oppose the recent insurrectionist pushes of the Democrat/Marxist/globalist Left. These were intended to be the death-blows to the U.S., Trump has prevented them. Despite opposition from all sides, by both Democrat and Republican establishment swamp creatures and globalists, one and all.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 6:21 AM
 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
James Mattis’s rebuke of Trump

This is someone who saw first hand Trump in office. Trump’s actions of clearing out peaceful protesters using force so that he could waddle over to a church for a photo op was a new low even for him.


This is another deep state establishment piece of shit who makes a habit of attacking President Trump, and has enriched himself as a part of the establishment system. And is a registered Democrat. Like Jeff Sessions, Mattis was a huge disappointment, although I think Jeff Sessions is a man of integrity, although a weak and indecisive attorney general.

Mattis is in the same category as people like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, James Brennan, Lisa Murkowski John McCain and Mitt Romney. If Mattis had any legitimate criticisms or advice, he should have made them to the president privately. Likewise Mark Esper, who I can't believe still has a job. This is yet another cheap political stunt, calculated to undermine the president. Like so many cheap political stunts before it, by both the Democrat and Republican establishments, who are terrified of the reforms Trump is trying to implement.
A guest on Bill Moyers about 15 years ago said "Both parties are so deeply invested in the system not working, that it is doubtful either party will ever fix it."
That was the case until Donald Trump became president. They are deeply invested and enriching themselves by having the system not work, which means they will do or say anything to destroy Trump to prevent those reforms.



I’m sure you would prefer all criticism to be private and thereby useless of Trump. Trump was wrong when he threatened to send troops in uninvited. My governor used local and nearby national guard to go after the bad actors without messing with people using their constitutional first amendment right. And it’s worked. Sadly we have a gas lighter in the highest office not elected by the people but by electoral college willing to continue to divide us. States are red or blue as are all of us to him.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 6:38 AM
Facebook removes nearly 200 accounts tied to white supremacy groups looking to exploit Floyd protests
Antifa is literally never mentioned in the first prosecutions of protest violence

Trump and his wingman Barr can’t even mention white supremacy groups being involved in the violence when it’s evident that they are.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 7:33 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Facebook removes nearly 200 accounts tied to white supremacy groups looking to exploit Floyd protests
Antifa is literally never mentioned in the first prosecutions of protest violence

Trump and his wingman Barr can’t even mention white supremacy groups being involved in the violence when it’s evident that they are.


Uh...

ERIC HOLDER, in radio interview: "I'm Obama's wingman, I'm his boy!"

As opposed to Barr, who has a spotless reputation, who was previously attorney general under president George W.
And has made it clear that if Trump puts too much presure on him, Barr will simply resign. That he doesn't want Trump making Twitter posts that undermine his respect for the rule of law as A G.
That he (Barr) is committed to the rule of law, not (as slandered) just doing Trump's bidding.

Holder, on the other hand, is an unapologetic Democrat partisan, who eagerly throws out the rule of law when it gets in the way of his black-racist and ideological goals. He's Obama's boy!

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 4:14 PM
Nobody outside of the Trump circle would say Barr’s reputation is spotless. Trump publicly cried about Sessions not being his wingman. He stopped crying when he installed Barr. And now Barr can’t even talk about the white supremacy angle with these protests. As I’ve cited, white supremacy groups have been involved with some of the more violent parts of the protests. While he’s been very vocal about Antifa it’s crickets for white supremacy. You can imagine when he says “other groups “ that’s who he’s including. The Daily Beast article I linked to above shows that all the initial charges so far are not Antifa but do include white supremacy groups. Barr so far hasn’t provided any evidence to back his claims against Antifa and seems intent on misrepresenting what Antifa actually is. As I understand it Antifa is anyone who is anti fascist. There are some groups but it’s not one group with a set of rules or dues. I saw one article comparing it to a group like bird watchers. Some groups but lots of people who consider themselves bird watchers don’t belong to an official group. From what I’ve seen of Barr’s comments he’s pushing to blame Antifa for political purposes while downplaying white supremacy groups in all this.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 5:27 PM
So I started this thread and really didn’t comment on what generated the whole thing. The video of the cop kneeling on Floyd killing him while other cops let it happen has now exploded into protests around the world. Initially I figured this would die down but instead it’s now the people demanding change in numbers that can’t be ignored. Really sad that it was Minneapolis that was the spark as I want to think we’re better. As a community we’re not. I had a friend who grew up in Jamaica and lived in the south before settling up north with her husband here explain that we’re more polite and that just makes it harder to know where she stood with people. And it’s true. So many times I’ve heard people being racist when they thought it was safe and than turn around and be super nice to a black person. That’s not everyone or most people even but it’s there. And on a larger scale it’s everyone going along with it looking the other way. This time though that didn’t happen. To many people I think are demanding change and it doesn’t look like they’re going to stop.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 10:38 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Nobody outside of the Trump circle would say Barr’s reputation is spotless. Trump publicly cried about Sessions not being his wingman. He stopped crying when he installed Barr. And now Barr can’t even talk about the white supremacy angle with these protests. As I’ve cited, white supremacy groups have been involved with some of the more violent parts of the protests. While he’s been very vocal about Antifa it’s crickets for white supremacy. You can imagine when he says “other groups “ that’s who he’s including. The Daily Beast article I linked to above shows that all the initial charges so far are not Antifa but do include white supremacy groups. Barr so far hasn’t provided any evidence to back his claims against Antifa and seems intent on misrepresenting what Antifa actually is. As I understand it Antifa is anyone who is anti fascist. There are some groups but it’s not one group with a set of rules or dues. I saw one article comparing it to a group like bird watchers. Some groups but lots of people who consider themselves bird watchers don’t belong to an official group. From what I’ve seen of Barr’s comments he’s pushing to blame Antifa for political purposes while downplaying white supremacy groups in all this.


No. Trump was angry that Jeff Sessions for no real reason recused himself from the greatest political scandal in U.S. history. And in doing so, threw Trump to the wolves, and subjected the nation to 3 years of investigation, that Rosenstein himself says in retrospect (a few day ago in Senate hearingss) had absolutely no basis.

*AND** Sessions left assistant attorney general Rod Rosenstein in charge of the investigation as the de facto head of DOJ. Who based on illegal FISA warrants, a falsified Hillary Clinton/DNC-funded "Russia Dossier" created by Fusion GPS and a discredited Christopher Steele, and FBI records leaked by James Comey, Rosenstein appointed a Mueller special investigation that never should have been appointed.
And all the people involved in that false investigation, including Rosenstein himself, should be IN JAIL for all the laws they broke, in staging a coup against the Trump campaign, and then renewed the FISA warrant 3 times (based on false evidence) to spy on the incoming Trump administration.
And despite the Mueller team knowing by March 2017 at the latest there was no case against Trump or any of his officials, Mueller prolonged the investigation until May 2019 in order to help the Democrats win the Senate in the Nov 2018 election.

In the very best scenario, Rod Rosenstein was incompetent and just signed off without investigating the FISA warrant evidence, as it was his job to. He signed off on investigating a presidential candiddate and president and didn't even look at the evidence! That strains credibility. Especiually when this same Rosenstein was deep-state colleague of Mueller, Comey and the rest, and openly discussed "wearing a wire" to record President Trump in a ploy to remove him by invoking the 25th amendment. Oh, but he was joking of course. But both James Baker and a second anonymous source say Rosenstein wasn't joking, that he was dead serious and no one present was laughing.

Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 10:52 PM
Well I’m convinced that you will stick with the accusations but doubt the pillsberry dough boy Barr can’t corrupt things enough to actually get anyone jail time. Trump however might if he doesn’t win re-election and can run out the clock on some legal actions awaiting.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 10:58 PM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
So I started this thread and really didn’t comment on what generated the whole thing. The video of the cop kneeling on Floyd killing him while other cops let it happen has now exploded into protests around the world.


I don't believe those worldwide protests just occurred spontaneously. They are orchestrated by the Soros-funded Left, and by groups like Antifa. They are more about trying to de-stabilize the West and the United States in particular, as are the eternal goals of the Soros-funded Left.

And by the way, NO ONE, not Trump, not Republican conservatives, not even the police nationwide, dispute that George Floyd's death was an abuse of police power and should never have happened, and is an embarassment and outrage to police everywhere. Even going back to the 1991 Rodney King beating in L.A., I spoke to police officers who told me that incident was an embarassment to them, that even with a giant like Rodney King, four officers should have easily been able to wrestle him to the ground, handcuff him, and put him in the squad car for arrest and processing, and that should have been the end of it.
No matter how angry or defiant a suspect is, officers themselves have told me it's not their right to administer punishment or payback. That their job is only to remain professional, arrest them and put them in a jail cell.

 Originally Posted By: M E M

Initially I figured this would die down but instead it’s now the people demanding change in numbers that can’t be ignored.



Again, orchestrated. Another case of the Left "not letting a crisis go to waste."

In cities nationwide, there have been drop-off stashes of unloaded pallettes of bricks and incendiaries for Antifa types to inflict maximum chaos, and manipulate other protestors into violence and looting.
Do you really think all that just happened spontaneously?!?


 Originally Posted By: M E M
Really sad that it was Minneapolis that was the spark as I want to think we’re better. As a community we’re not. I had a friend who grew up in Jamaica and lived in the south before settling up north with her husband here explain that we’re more polite and that just makes it harder to know where she stood with people. And it’s true. So many times I’ve heard people being racist when they thought it was safe and than turn around and be super nice to a black person. That’s not everyone or most people even but it’s there. And on a larger scale it’s everyone going along with it looking the other way. This time though that didn’t happen. To many people I think are demanding change and it doesn’t look like they’re going to stop.


Respectfully, Minneapolis is a hub of the far-Left. Yours is the district of Rep. Ilhan Omar, a rabidly Anti-American leftist radical who never misses an opportunity to attack the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar

Minneapolis' president (i.e., mayor) and city council are likewise completely made up of far-Left radicals. Their ideology made the city a puddle of kerosine just waiting for a match.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_City_Council

And this incident provided the spark.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-06 11:29 PM

Further, let me emphasis:

Pending further investigation, there is no evidence this incident is about race. It is about a police officer abusing his authority to injure or kill a suspect in custody.

And I would compare it to the Rodney King incident. Where the four officers involved in the beating were exonerated by a jury, but Rodney King sued and got a settlement of several million dollars in compensation from the city of Los Angeles for police brutality.

Compare that with another case in West Palm Beach that happened at the same time as the Rodney King beating, where a white male in his 40's named Robert Jewett was pulled over by two white police officers in November 1990, for no clear reason, and despite no previous criminal record or arrests of the suspect, Robert Jewett was beaten to death by the two white officers.
Similarly to the Rodney King beating, there was a trial of the two officers, who were exonerated. In Jewell's case, there was no compensation for his surviving family, no price paid.

Another incident I can think of is where a few years ago a black Salt Lake City police officer shot and killed a white 20-year-old male, who likewise had no record and committed no crime. But the black officer was not prosecuted and the charges just quietly went away.
It is infuriating and total bullshit to say: If George Floyd were white, he would not have been killed. As is the narrative of protestors and Demcorat leaders now.
It's not about race, it's about police abusing their authority and going unpunished.

The true issue here is police abusing their authority and hurting people, and getting away with it because a jury doesn't want to believe they would abuse their authority. As can happen with doctors, nurses, stock brokers, real estate agents, or any other profession.
But the Left has chosen to racialize it, and exploit the crisis to the maximum.

As I've only seen in the last 24 hours, Derek Chauvin was apparently a supervising officer, and the 3 officers with him were rookies in training. So they may have been intimidated as new and inexperienced officers to not criticize a superior and more experienced officer, who they trusted to know what he was doing. In no way do I endorse what Chaauvin did or think he was right to do what he did. It could have been racially motivated. And the other officers could be more responsibility than it first appears. My initial impression is that Chauvan should go to jail, and the other officers should at least be fired, if not face lesser charges. But again, I would like to see the evidence of a full investigation laid out rather than a rush to judgement to appease angry mobs.


Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 12:37 AM
I’ll just point out I’ve been citing links to white supremacy groups involved in creating violence with the protests. Actual arrests made for example. You have not with your accusations that are pretty convenient for Trump and supporters.

And there really does need to be changes made in law enforcement. I like the idea of police officers actually being from the communities they police.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 12:48 AM


Something you definitely don't see in the liberal media, as I first saw reported on OAN (and nowhere else) George Floyd was a 5-time convicted felon.

On Fox News just now, they were interviewing his church pastor, Pastor Patrick "PT" Ngwolo of Resurrection Church in Houston, who acknowledged that Floyd had a criminal past, most recently for a 2007 home invasion.
A very violent crime.

But that in recent years Floyd had turned his life around and was very active in church ministry, trying to use the example of his own past life to turn younger black kids away from a similar life of crime. Kind of a puff piece, just describing what a great guy Floyd was, how liked and active he was in his church. But the "home invasion" mention kind of screams for more detail, not given.

I would like to see the lives of both George Floyd and the four officers involved in his death put under a media microscope. Floyd's life and criminal history detailed. Any history of crime or violence or excessive force of the four officers detailed, any racial hostility expressed, if it ever was. And specifically, every detail of what happened in the 30 minutes leading up to Floyd's death.

Especially in the case of Derek Chauvin, as the other three officers were just in the sidelines and didn't stop it. It's possible the three, being new officers, didn't know Chauvin was doing anything against procedure, or if they did see it was, whether they had any authority to oppose their superior officer to try and stop it.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 1:02 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I’ll just point out I’ve been citing links to white supremacy groups involved in creating violence with the protests. Actual arrests made for example. You have not with your accusations that are pretty convenient for Trump and supporters.

And there really does need to be changes made in law enforcement. I like the idea of police officers actually being from the communities they police.



I find it rather convenient that Twitter, who normally gives no specific reason for deleting a post or account, was very specific when they deleted the white supremacist/Antifa account.

It seems like they did that for a calculated purpose, where they would have flown cover and ambiguity on deletion of an account falsely fronting a Democrat/Antifa/Leftist account. Facebook and Twitter could have prevented a lot of riots and damage of the last two weeks by simply clossing and deleting the accounts of Antifa groups nationwide.

That would have prevented a lot of looting and burning of businesses, a lot of dead and injured law enforcement officers, a lot of dead and injured protestors and bystanders, nationwide. But the bottom line is, Facebook and Twitter are filled with far-Left employees and executives, and therefore enabled them, at the cost of a lot of lives, businesses and injuries.

Likewise, Democrat government officials at the state and local level have bent over backward not to prosecute Antifa thugs arrested, and just let them go. Which sends a strong message to do it again.

Don't try to scapegoat this onto some fictional white supremacist responsibility for this, on maybe one example you can find. The responsibility for this chaos and destruction clearly rests in Democrat/Leftist/Antifaa hands, pretty much all working hand-in-glove to enable all this to happen, and largely without consequences for the Antifa at the center of it. George Soros and Barack Obama have organized and funded the chaos.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 1:16 AM
More accusations, zero evidence. Again actual arrests have been made involving white supremacy groups on this. Nor do I believe Twitter deleted accounts in the manner you accuse, again with zero evidence.

The huge masses of people exercising their constitutional rights are not out doing this because of any group.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 1:24 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Facebook removes nearly 200 accounts tied to white supremacy groups looking to exploit Floyd protests
Antifa is literally never mentioned in the first prosecutions of protest violence

Trump and his wingman Barr can’t even mention white supremacy groups being involved in the violence when it’s evident that they are.



From your own Daily Beast propaganda piece:

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Despite Trump’s rhetoric about designating antifa a terrorist organization, antifa is an ethic rather than an actual group—and even if it were a group, there is no domestic terrorism statute for designating a non-foreign entity as a banned terrorist organization.


Antifa is a nationwide, possibly worldwide, network of loose terror-cels. They don't carry Antifa I D cards or otherwise identify themselves to police when arrested.
But the uniform of how Antifa dresses, and their backpacks fill with rocks, broken glass and incendiaries makes clear who they are, identified or not. That article bends over backward to take personal shots at President Trump and attorney general Barr. Making clear their allegience is with the Left, and not the administration trying to stop the criminal Left.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 1:31 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
More accusations, zero evidence. Again actual arrests have been made involving white supremacy groups on this. Nor do I believe Twitter deleted accounts in the manner you accuse, again with zero evidence.

The huge masses of people exercising their constitutional rights are not out doing this because of any group.


That's horseshit.
Your own articles say that they deleted accounts of "white supremacist groups" that were "trying" (not actually attending) to organize and take advantage of leftist riots and chaos in cities nationwide. But Twitter deleted their accounts before they could actually organize. For all your allegations of "proof" of white supremacist orchestration, even your own source says they were deleted before they could actually do anything.
And even in the attempt, trying to exploit a situation that already existed, that other leftist/Antifa groups created, before they even made the unsuccessful attempt.

And further, a lot of the deleted accounts were in other countries, mostly african and muslim nations, by all appearance fake accounts related to politics in those nations, that have nothing to do with black protests in the U.S., or to white supremacist groups in the U.S.
And the article tabulates no names, no statistical numbers, and cites no ratio of deleted accounts among the total that were allegedly "white supremacist".
Another red herring from the Democrat/Left, and their piece-of-shit fellow conspirators in the liberal media.
Shaving the narrative, to fly cover for the Democrat/Left and Antifa, who are responsible for the lootings, violence and deaths in riots nationwide.

The saving grace is video footage inside looted and burned stores is leading to identification and arrests of mant thugs after-the-fact.



Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 2:55 AM
There was also this from the DailyBeast...
 Quote:
In the Nevada case, prosecutors charged three military personnel—one from the Army Reserves, the other the Navy, the third the Air Force—with plotting to destroy a National Parks Service facility and with carrying unregistered Molotov cocktails at a Black Lives Matter event. The feds allege the three are self-identified members of the Boogaloo movement, and plotted to begin their dreamt-of civil war first at Reopen protests, then hurling fire bombs at police to spark violence during the civil rights demonstration. Unlike most of the other indictments, the criminal complaint describes extensive planning and coordination.


To be clear anyone for whatever motivation is trying to use the protests to start violence is scum and deserves to get the book thrown at them it is disturbing that Trump and Barr are being misleading on Antifa. I consider myself anti-fascist and I’m very much a law abiding citizen. Why do they give cover to the white supremacy groups?
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-07 5:32 AM
Posted By: the G-man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-08 3:26 AM
Minneapolis City Council announces veto-proof push to disband police in George Floyd aftermath

Stay safe, MEM. Sounds like you're about to be living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-08 3:44 AM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
Minneapolis City Council announces veto-proof push to disband police in George Floyd aftermath

Stay safe, MEM. Sounds like you're about to be living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.


Yeah I think they need to have some solid answers and solutions of what they intend to do on that front. It won’t work just disbanding the police. This sounds like political gold for republicans.
Posted By: the G-man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-08 5:46 AM
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It won’t work just disbanding the police. This sounds like political gold for republicans.


Just for the record: While I would normally welcome anything that's political gold for the republicans, I'm not happy about something that will get people killed.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-09 2:38 AM
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It won’t work just disbanding the police. This sounds like political gold for republicans.


Just for the record: While I would normally welcome anything that's political gold for the republicans, I'm not happy about something that will get people killed.


From what I’ve read it’s not anything you have to worry about people getting killed. Fortunately for the GOP it does sound like it’s literally getting rid of the police though.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-10 8:49 AM


Tucker Carlson, June 8, 2020, Monday


A very important show, I think the most valuable and vital show Carlson has ever aired, pointing out the weaponization of the George Floyd protests, as a beach-head toward the goal of the Democrat/Left to intimidate and silence all dissent.

That these riots are not about race or George Floyd, they are just the latest exploitable weapon to silence their political opposition, and in this case force concessions for a Democrat/Leftist takeover of the police, to take away possibly the last conservative institution and protection of conservative free speech.
We are truly living in dangerous times.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-10 9:12 AM



And then tonight...

Tucker Carlson, June 9, 2020, Tuesday


...the revelation that Tucker Carlson himself is under attack, as the Left tried to have his show taken off the air to silence him, to prevent him from rallying resistance to the Democrat/Left's coup attempt, to intimidate him into silence, to de-platform any who voice dissent. That is the Maoist/Bolshevik way, that has never been the American/Constitutional way.

What would it take to awaken Democrats to how insane and violently radical their party has become?

They are burning cities, looting stores, they've now injured 700 police nationwide. Injured 100 Secret Service agents at the White House!
But, oh, yes yes, these are mostly peaceful protests. LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS! These "peaceful protestors" have looted and burned hundreds of stores in Minneapolis alone. If they are "peaceful" now, it is only because of the deployment of National Guard to back up the police.

Two black police officers and 8 black protestors have been killed by these mobs. If "black lives matter", what about these 10 lives?
Do THEY matter?
Apparently not, they are just bodies for the Democrats to step over on their way to power.
I don't see any memorial being given to these two black police officers, let alone the 8 others killed by these leftist mobs. And how many others who aren't even counted, becaause they were white?

And once they finish looting the business sectors in cities nationwide (or blocked by police and National Guard) will they then loot suburbs and residential neighborhoods?
An alderman warned of this to the Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, who told the alderman Raymond Lopez he is "100% full of shit" despite the alderman's being warned by locals, and what he knows of gangs and witnessed himself in his district.

Chicago had 18 people killed in one day, the most violent day in Chicago in 60 years. Somehow I'm not buying the Democrat/Left's assurances that things will be "peaceful" now.
Similarly New York.
Similarly Miami.
Similarly L.A.
Portland.
Seattle.
And of course, in Minneapolis.

These protestors and Democrat pundits and idealogues are foaming at the mouth in their hatred and thirst for the blood of white America. And really, have been for years, this is just their excuse and rationalization to go wild and actually do it. According to the Minneapolis President/mayor, even calling 911 for defense from home invaders is "white privelege" that we're not entitled to.

How insane does the Democrat/Left have to get before Dem voters will get off the train?

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-10 7:48 PM



Kayleigh McEnany holds White House press conference, 6/8/2020, Monday



I'm consistently amazed at how incredibly snotty and defiant the White House Press reporters are to the press secretary, to Trump himself, or to any Trump official. This is relatively tame relative to most press conferences. But even so, they ask very partisan questions, and either misrepresentatively state the facts, or selectively omit the facts completely.
McEnany does a consistently great job of stating the facts and the selectively omitted context of the questions unleashed on her. She does an exceptional job of refuting the press' allegations with the true facts. And exposing the mediaa's selective outrage and hypocrisy in the process.




Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-10 8:28 PM



Laura Ingraaham, opening commentary, June 9, 2020, Tuesday



"In Minneapolis, nearly 500 businesses were damaged or destroyed during the 'mostly peaceful protests'..."
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-11 2:26 AM
It doesn’t take many people to light a fire. I can tell you that it was mostly peaceful protesters but because it was so many that gave cover to for the few. By Saturday Governor Walz asked protesters to obey the curfew in place and even though people wanted to keep protesting into the night people listened and most of the day protesters went home. That helped to catch the bad guys that included right wingers as I’ve cited.

And it happened yesterday but Trump reached a new low with his comments about the 70 year old. I saw that old guy laying on the ground with blood running out of his ear. Trump is just so unfit.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-16 11:49 AM


 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It doesn’t take many people to light a fire. I can tell you that it was mostly peaceful protesters but because it was so many that gave cover to for the few. By Saturday Governor Walz asked protesters to obey the curfew in place and even though people wanted to keep protesting into the night people listened and most of the day protesters went home. That helped to catch the bad guys that included right wingers as I’ve cited.


*AFTER* protestors/rioters/looters had already burned and looted several hundred stores. That Governor Walz could have anticipated after the first burning Wednesday night, and yet he let the protestors/looters run wild till Sunday.

Before finally sending in the guard, and only because President Trump had already said he would, if Gov. Walz didn't.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
And it happened yesterday but Trump reached a new low with his comments about the 70 year old. I saw that old guy laying on the ground with blood running out of his ear. Trump is just so unfit.


OAN reporter Pearson Sharp had several stories about the 75-year-old protestor, Martin Gugino, who is a leftist activist who by his social media posts is active in Antifa, and organized "Chaos Camp" summer seminars to recruit teenagers into Antifa.
That even other Black Lives Matter protestors regarded Gugino as crazy and dangerous, looking to provoke violence and get punched in the face by police. To manufacture an incident.

That Gugino has been arrested at multiple protest rallies, and Pearson Sharp at OAN ran a story with Gugino's posts on social media such as "Fuck the police" and "ACAB" and saying the United States is an immoral government and needs to be destroyed. Nice guy!

Also, Gugino was making friendly and chatting for several minutes with the photographer who videotaped the police shoving Gugino and his fall, talking minutes before the incident, which indicates it was coordinated and staged.
Pearson Sharp also talked to 3 emergency room physicians, who all said it was "highly unlikely" that Gugino would be injured in the way he appeared to in the video, with blood gushing out his ear immediately, inconsistent with physiology and the way he fell.
Against the mainstream narrative that these facts about Gugino are "conspiracy theory", Pearson Sharp challenges any network to dispute the absolute facts he presented. None have.

57 Buffalo officers resigned from the Buffalo police special response team, the entire squad, in support of the two officers who were suspended. I'd wager they agree with Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/da-investigating-buffalo-cops-shove-old-man


Militant tweets raise questions over Martin Gugino's activity at the protests in Buffalo, N.Y. -OAN News, Pearson Sharp



Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-26 8:24 AM


Tucker Carlson, June 25 2020, Thursday



An orchestrated perfect storm, of Covid-19 lockdowns in Democrat states, followed by a 2nd and 3rd wave of chaos in the form of race-baiting, rioting and tearing down statues. Democrats' bolshevik way of crushing and intimidating all political opposition.

Par for the course, for the party that hates America.

A crisis that has brought this country to its knees. Even in a dire national crisis, Democrats still won't work together with Republicans, and Democrats see this as just another opportunity for them to cynically abuse their city and state power, and further ramp up the hate with a truly Bolshevik revolution.

As I've said on these boards for 20 years now, Democrats are the party that would destroy the country itself just to leverage some short-term political gain. Never more on display than in the last 4 months.

Interesting point by Carlson in the above Youtube clip, about Democrats crushing small businesses in all 3 waves, but protestors (the Bernie Sanders wing of the the Bolshevik DNC) neither condemned, nor did they loot or burn, corporate businesses that are allied Democrat contributors and backers.
And we already knew that Democrat governors and mayors were targeting churches, small businesses and gun stores for closure, while simultaneously leaving abortion clinics, marijuana and liquor stores, and other Democrat-friendly businesses open.

Likewise the point that they call for destroying local police, but no such call for reform of the FBI and other federal law enforcement (which are already Democrat-controlled branches). The tearing down statues and Seattle occupied zones (CHAZ/CHOP, and attempted similar zones in Washington DC and Atlanta), are distractions that hide the proven abuse since 2016 by a weaponized FBI and DOJ, and by then-President Obama, then-V.P. Biden and by Obama/Biden's five highest appointed cabinet staffers to frame and destroy Trump's national security advisor Michael Flynn, who has just been exonerated, based on an overwhelming body of documents showing the abuse of power in framing Flynn at every stage by these federal agencies.

With hopefully exonerations of Roger Stone and Paul Manafort to follow.

Interesting how people who burn buildings, loot stores and shoot at cops are not imprisoned, are just set free to do even more damage the next day, and yet guys like Michael Flynn and Roger Stone and Paul Manafort are the only ones who are jailed. And other Trump supporters, such as hairstylists, church pastors, gym owners, and gun store owners are similarly fined and imprisoned.


If the complete show above is deleted (as I expect it will be, As Youtube consistently does), here's the 17-minute opening monologue, separate from the rest:
Tucker: President Trump's hope for re-election June 25, 2020




Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-26 9:12 AM



 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
Liberals only tend to push democracy when the numbers favor them. No big surprise there.



Yes.

And increasingly, they choose Bolshevism.
Slander, propaganda, intimidation, and weaponization of government against their political opponents.
Bolshevism, pure and simple. Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and the open borders movement being just the latest examples. They exploit George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks as just the latest instruments to pull down statues of not just Civil War monuments, but statues of Washington, Jefferson. Ulysses Grant! Abraham Lincoln.
They vandalized a statue of Gandhi!

It's not a mere coincidence that many of these destroyed statues have a hammer-and-sickle painted on them. The Left has shown their true hand. For those with eyes willing to see it. For the Left, his is not about "freedom" or "equality", or "racism". It's about de-legitimizing America as a nation that has any right to exist. It's aabout erasing our history. And replacing it with a new socialist order. i.e., mob rule.




And elected Democrats, Democrat Bureaucrats, and Democrats in the media are their enablers and brothers-in-arms.
To quote FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, "Viva le resistence!"
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-26 3:08 PM
Just to bring things back to sane territory I do think there is a genuine need for police reform. It is true that we as a nation keep dumping more money and problems onto the police. Is that working?
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-26 6:50 PM



Sorry my citing facts inconvenient to your liberal narrative smokescreen are not considered "sane" by your viewpoint.
But those are the facts, sourced and cited.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-27 4:40 PM
Flynn plead guilty twice for lying about his contacts to Russia. He lied not because he was serving his country but he lied for his own self interests. The recent ruling didn’t address the merit of Barr’s DOJ dropping all charges for Flynn but only that it could. It’s up to voters to choose a President who actually values the rule of law

With Coronavirus spiking all over in red states to the extent they now have to slow down and even take steps backwards it’s just dumb trying to make political arguments like that about the lockdowns. Nobody wants the economic damage caused by the pandemic. Sadly some do want to rush things so much that we end up making it even worse.

And I think there is common ground with enough of us to actually get some police reform accomplished. I think my party shouldn’t have been so quick to dismiss republican efforts on that front.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-06-28 11:50 AM



 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Flynn plead guilty twice for lying about his contacts to Russia.


Flynn pled guilty only because his lawyers were Democrats (in the same law firm where Eric Holder is a partner, and his entire firm huge donors to Obama in 2008 and 2012, and to Hillary in 2016, as well as many other Democrat candidates).
They pressured Michael Flynn to sign a plea deal, despite that he did nothing wrong. They conned him, to serve the Democrats politically. Flynn finally signed a plea deal when he'd exhausted $6 million on his defense, mortgaged his house for his defense, and the FBI was threatening to charge his son as well if he didn't sign a plea deal.

And his only crime was "perjury". A perjury trap, as documents have revealed in the last 2 months. Bill Priestap outright said in one memo, is the plan to either smear Flynn into resigning or trap him into perjury?

Flynn did nothing wrong.
The criminals are the 7 people plotting his slander and entrapment in a Jan 5 2017 Oval office meeting (President Obama, V.P. Biden, Susan Rice, James Clapper, John Brennan, James Comey, and Obama's chief of staff).
And the criminals are also Comey, and McCabe, who then sent Strzok and a 2nd FBI agent to interview Flynn in his office (without notifying the White House counsel, and tricking Flynn into not having a lawyer present) so they could spring a perjury trap on Flynn. Even the second agent with Strzok said he didn't think Flynn intentionally hid anything in the interview. It was only to manufacture pseudo-legal perjury, to get Flynn, and through him get Trump and other officials, by forcing them to testify to scripted lies to get a lesser sentence for alleged crimes that he never committed. And Paul Manafort, and Jerome Corsi, Roger Stone, and George Pappadapoulos, etc. But the only one who would testify, reading the FBI's lying script, was Michael Cohen, who no one beleived when he testified in hearings.
The FBI tried to do the same thing to Flynn's subordinate, assistant national security advisor K.T. McFarland, but she had a better lawyer and didn't fall into the FBI's set perjury trap.


 Originally Posted By: M E M
He lied not because he was serving his country but he lied for his own self interests.


Blather. You can't prove this, because it's an absolute lie. Flynn did nothing wrong, was forced to plea to non-existent crimes, was bankrupted with legal costs, and only when he had no resources left to fight, and they were shaking him down with charging his son, did Flynn finally take a plea deal.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
The recent ruling didn’t address the merit of Barr’s DOJ dropping all charges for Flynn but only that it could.


More blather. There are MOUNTAINS of documented evidence that it was a malicious prosecution. Comey and McCabe have openly bragged about their part in the deception.
Strzok and Page openly texted about the "insurance policy" to destroy Trump if elected, and Strzok texting "there's no there there" as the reason Strzok did not want to participate more in the FBI's Russia-collusion investigation. He knew!
And then what I just said above. Strzok's Jan 4 2017 call to the agents investigating Flynn, that they were about to close the case, and Strzok kept it open for purely political purposes, to get Flynn, evidence and the law be damned, just indict him as a weapon to cripple Trump's presidency.
And the Jan 5 2017 meeting of Obama, Biden, Yates, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Susan Rice, and Obama's chief of staff. Where Sally Yates said it was all orchestrated by Obama, and she "had trouble processing" what she'd just heard where Obama knew the FISA transcript of Flynn and the Russian ambassador before she did, she the attorney general, had even been given a transcript copy.

And by Peter Strzok's FOIA-requested unredacted FBI notes from that day, Obama himself in that meeting had instructed those present to "select the right people" to investigate Flynn, Obama instructing them to select party loyalists in the FBI who wouldn't question the exculpatory evidence, and would **only** use it to set up Flynn for political scandal and false criminal charges. The right people.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
It’s up to voters to choose a President who actually values the rule of law


Oh, the irony of YOU saying that!

 Originally Posted By: M E M
With Coronavirus spiking all over in red states to the extent they now have to slow down and even take steps backwards it’s just dumb trying to make political arguments like that about the lockdowns. Nobody wants the economic damage caused by the pandemic. Sadly some do want to rush things so much that we end up making it even worse.


And you love that. You welcome people getting sick and even dying, if you think it helps the piece-of-shit-Democrat side politically.

The reality is, every nation on earth has had setbacks in fighting Covid-19. South Korea (the one credited with the best prevention program of any nation in the world!), Australia, Germany, France, and currently surging in cases, Britain, Sweden and Portugal. Even China.

It is entirely possible that the surge in cases is because the U.S. has ramped up its testing to 500,000 tests a day, and cumulatively over 27 million, far more than any other nation.
It's possible that due to unmatched testing, covid-19 testing far beyond that being done by any other nation in the world, we are catching cases early, and that will mean less U.S. cases later. You also leave out that the average age of the infected is way down, that it is younger people who are most infected now, who are less severely affected, less hospitalizations, less deaths.

Wasn't the goal to flatten the curve to prevent deaths, to protect the elderly and immune-compromised who were at greatest risk of dying? We have done that.
But as per usual, the lying Democrats are moving the goalposts, and shifting the narrative. To whatever serves their lying agenda.


 Originally Posted By: M E M

And I think there is common ground with enough of us to actually get some police reform accomplished. I think my party shouldn’t have been so quick to dismiss republican efforts on that front.



Senator Tim Scott (R-SC) offered a bill already that gave 70% of what the Democrats said had to be done. The Democrats wouldn't even consider one Republican proposal.
The message is clear: Democrats don't want a solution, they want chaos and riots, they want to keep this alive as an issue through November. And even then, like DACA, like securing the border and immigration reform, Democrats by their past record will not even pass something after November. They want to just exploit and demagogue the issue for years, and say Republicans/Trump hate immigrants, etc, etc., despite that it is Democrats who are enabling cruelty to illegals and human trafficking and unsecure borders, and the trafficking of drugs by cartels.

Trump made a generous offer 2 years ago to secure the border, an agreement to build a wall, and give amnesty to DACA kids in exchange. The Democrats refused, just to deprive Trump of a victory, just so Dems could indefinitely continue to exploit and demagogue the unresolved border crisis. But it was solved, if not for the piece-of-shit Dems.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-08-29 5:57 PM


Medical Examiner: GEORGE FLOYD HAD 'FATAL LEVEL OF FENTANYL' IN HIS SYSTEM


That is huge news, and undermines the whole premise of the riots/ protests in Minneapolis and in cities nationwide, all invoked in the name of repeat criminal and drug addict George Floyd.

But a very crucial point, he had what is documented by multiple autopsies and medical examiners as a fatal dose of fentanyl. That Floyd was already showing symptoms of overdosing and being unable to breathe as he thrashed around, before the officers even restrained him, and was finally restrained in the neck hold by officer Derek Chauvin. He was already overdosing. The only thing that could have been done to stop it, and the other three were rookie cops, is any one of them could have radiod for a paramedic to treat George Floyd, if they were aware he was overdosing. I'm sure at least three of the four wish they'd covered their asses and made that radio-dispatch call. Whether or not even paramedics could have saved Floyd from his own preceding overdose, before his encounter with police.

But regardless, it is highly in dispute if Chauvin's actions are what killed Floyd. It seems highly likely, if not certain, that Floyd would have died of a fentanyl overdose regardless of what these officers did.
I'm sure Derek Chauvin's lawyer will raise this in his defense, and he will likely be exonerated due to the clear reasonable doubt the fatal dose of fentanyl in the autopsy raises.

So this is all for nothing, all this destruction in Floyd's name. The true cause of Floyd's death is exposed, and it is Floyd's own fault, the fatal dose of fentanyl Floyd himself chose to ingest.
But in the words of Obama chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel: "Never let a crisis go to waste."

And they haven't, Dems have burned a good portion of America, by selling that race-inciting false narrative.
Likewise Trayvon Martin.
Likewise Michael Brown.
Likewise Eric Garner.
Likewise Freddie Gray.
Likewise Tyrone West.
Likewise Rayshawn Brooks.
Likewise Jacob Blake.


Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-09-04 6:14 PM


Continuing on the subject of Jacob Blake and the fallout on the city of Kenosha, Wisconsin...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_protests

Somewhere in one of these topics, M E M raailed on Trump "white racist terrorists" citing a 17 year old kid who killed two BLM/Antifa pieces of shit. Who it turns out were chasing the armed 17 year old, and forced the kid to defend himself. There is plenty of video of them chasing the 15 year old (Kyle Rittenhouse) and forcing him to defend himself. Why were the Antifa/BLM mob chasing Rittenhouse? Because Rittenhouse had the audacity to put out some of the arson fires that BLM/Antifa had set.

Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney says his client acted in self-defense - Tucker Carlson, 8-31-2020



Predictably, M E M defends the mob, and labels the people trying to stop their destruction and defend themselves as white supremacist terrorists.

Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-09-04 7:16 PM
The latest shooting of a black suspect being exploited by Black Lives Matter is in Washington D.C., of 18 year old black suspect Deon Kay.
Police have already released the police officer body-camera footage of the incident, which clearly shows the suspect holding a weapon before the shooting.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/03/officials-release-video-of-dc-police-fatally-shooting-deon-kay/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_racial_unrest

So... what exactly are the protests about? Everything is on video. The punk drew a gun. Over and over, these black mobs are treating these violent thugs like they were innocent saints wrongfully targeted by "racist" cops. But over and over, they are proven to be thug criminals who clearly acted in a threatening way and forced police to react. And further, have a long history of prior convictions for violent crimes.
Rayshawn Brooks beat his wife AND kids!
Jacob Blake, same situation.
I'm confident this 18 year old, who drew on police, ON CAMERA, has a rap-sheet too.



PERSPECTIVE:

Back in 2013, Bill O'Reilly offered a larger picture of the alleged "war on blacks by police" alleged immediately after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri. The incident that triggered riots and looting. That is actually the shooting that rationalized the formation of Black Lives Matter.

So O'Reilly offered the statistical context of the shooting: There are approximately 8 million arrests annually in the United States, and out of those there are about 600 cases where a suspect is killed during arrest or custody. O'Reilly points out that is an enormously small ratio. In proportion to the millions of arrests, statistically insignificant.
Further, that out of the 600 average deaths annually, only about 150 are black. A small ratio, far from a majority. And that most, are infinitely justifiable, no question the police acted properly.
So there clearly isn't an alleged "war on blacks" by police. These incidents, even the ones where police do everything properly, even with non-black suspects, are extremely rare.

Separate from O'Reilly, I'd further point out that if you average out 600 incidents over 365 days a year, that comes out to 1.64 killed during arrest incidents nationwide a day. About 1 or 2 a day.

And among the much smaller ratio of police deaths involving black suspects, that portion averages out to 0.4 incidents a day, or one every 2 or 3 days annually. So even though the incidents are rare, and more rare for blacks than whites being arrested, Black Lives Matter and the Left can every 2 or 3 days again have another opportunity to say "There, see! Another black man murdered by police!" Even though in most cases the guy is a violent thug with a long violent criminal history, and the police almost always act properly.

Further, according to black conservative columnist Larry Elder and others who offer the same information, BLM and the Left can also say that 150 out of 600 incidents a year is about 25%, and that blacks are about 13% of the population so (rationalization) blacks are targeted for killing in custody at a higher ratio than other groups. Larry Elder and others point out that blacks are far less cooperative with police than other groups, more prone to violence against police, and that it is 18 times more likely that an officer (of any color) will be killed by a black suspect than by a white suspect.

Further, that there are about 7,400 blacks killed a year in the U.S., and that 91% of those killings are black-on-black, **NOT** by police. While, as stated above, about 150 black suspects annually are killed by police. And of those 150, there are only about 10 killings of black suspects annually where there is any question of possible police misconduct.

BOTTOM LINE: Black Lives Matter doesn't give a damn about black lives. It only cares about the tiny number killed by police annually that they can exploit politically. And as cited before, Black Lives Matter isn't about social justice or improving the system, it's a Cultural Marxist organization founded by three people who are openly Marxist, that in their founding mission statement are about overthrowing the U.S. constitutional capitalist system, and replacing it with a Marxist system.
http://archive.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7876

And consistent with Cultural Marxist goals, is also about destroying the traditional nuclear family (VERY RELEVANT: the prevalence of young black men becoming criminals who mostly prey on black communities is very much a byproduct of the absence of black fathers in single-parent black families).
None of these BLM goals has anything to do with actually helping black lives.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2020-09-05 3:35 PM
Another case in the news today, from Rochester, New York, that occurred back in March, but for some reason is triggering protests in that city now, the arrest and death in custody of a black suspect named Daniel Prude. Apparently because the police body camera footage was just released now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Daniel_Prude

He was running in the streets naked, and was cuffed by police, and even bound, was spitting defiantly at the arresting officers, so police put a hood over his head, that apparently is part of police procedure in these situations. And similar to the George Floyd case in Minneapolis, because Daniel Prude was high on drugs, he died while hooded.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-02-15 11:53 AM
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black police officer in Portland talks about BLM/Antifa racism
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-20 8:41 PM
The Derek Chauvin trial concluded yesterday, after 16 days of hearings and several hundred witnesses.

And now, less than 48 hours later, the jury is already back with a verdict. It should be announced within the hour. Again, I find it unlikely Chauvin will be found guilty, as George Floyd's autopsy (and a second independent autopsy funded by the Floyd family's lawyer) found he had more than a fatal dose of Fentanyl in his system, as well as a high level of Methanphetamine, and a diagnosed heart condition. Not only can Chauvin not be credibly alleged to have killed him, since Floyd was already overdosing when Chauvin and other officers arrived. It is debatable whether Chauvin and other officers could have done anything to save him.

The person who should be tried for George Floyd's murder is the drug dealer who sold Floyd the fatal dose, and was still in the car with Floyd when he ingested the drugs and overdosed. But ironically, the drug dealer was called in as a witness against Chauvin, and he could not even give any testimony, he just pleaded the 5th Amendment over and over, to avoid incriminating himself for the death that he himself should be tried for.
Ultimately, it is George Floyd who is responsible for his death. He is the one who lived a lifetime of drug abuse and addiction, and violent crime to fund that habit. The abuse for decades of his own body is what weakened his heart. And he is the one who purchased and ingested the fatal done that killed him. And the officers who arrived after-thee-fact just had to deal with it. In the video, the officers initially cuffed Floyd and put him in a squad car, and when Floyd (overdosing) was freaking out panicking, they took him out of the squad car to make him more comfortable. It is a strain of credibility by any stretch to say officer Chauvin is responsible for Floyd's death. And if Chauvin is found guilty, I suspect it will be because the jury caved in to racial extortion and the threat of riots and threats to their own lives.

So if found guilty, Maxine Waters and BLM will have given Chauvin a golden ticket to having the verdict overturned on appeal. If I were on that jury, I would take my family on an extended vacation in Norway or Alaska, or some other place where there's not a black person for about 2,000 miles. And if' I were a business owner in Minneapolis, I would be ready to shutter my business up on a moment's notice, and keep one of several AK-47's handy. Or moving my business out of Minnesota altogether.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-20 10:01 PM
RACIAL EXTORTION AND MOB INTIMIDATION WORKS AGAIN:
Derek Chauvin trial verdict: Ex-Minneapolis police officer found guilty on all charges in George Floyd's death



Score another win for mob rule and intimidation.

I guess it's on to appeals court for the Derek Chauvin legal team.
Keith Ellison and the other lawyers of the prosecution legal team are having a press conference right now, kissing up to the woke mob, calling this justice, which it clearly isn't.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-20 10:55 PM
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In their press conference, the George Floyd family, accompanied by their lawyers, Al Sharpton, and the rest of the professional black race extortion industry, have all said that, emboldened by this win, their battle will continue in the Daunte Wright case.

"Daunte Wright, the latest career criminal lionized by BLM" topic
https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1234499#Post1234499

So even when it's over... it's not over.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-20 11:18 PM
This was a relief to see some justice and accountability. And no it’s not over but hopefully the start of reforms in the police department so there are less deaths and police brutality going forward. Instead of the huge payouts for when cops kill someone like this I would prefer prevent the killing and invest the money for more cops with better training that know they will be held accountable.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-21 4:31 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
This was a relief to see some justice and accountability. And no it’s not over but hopefully the start of reforms in the police department so there are less deaths and police brutality going forward. Instead of the huge payouts for when cops kill someone like this I would prefer prevent the killing and invest the money for more cops with better training that know they will be held accountable.


Except it wasn't an exercise of free will. It was a jury that had a gun to their heads and were told to rule this way, or their city and perhaps their own homes would be burned.

More than that, CNN and MSNBC, without naming the jurors directly, gave race and age descriptions and a lot of personal details of their families and careers, so that without naming them, anyone who knew them could identify them. And if these jurors didn't find Chauvin guilty, could dox them completely, so an angry mob could mass outside their homes to threaten them personally.

My hope is that in a few months when the national media focus dies down, the case will be turned over on appeal because of the egregious threats of BLM, Maxine Waters, and so many other race extortionists. This qualifies as jury tampering or racketeering. The trial should have been moved to another location, or another "venue" I believe is the term. And at the first sign of mob intimidation, a mistrial should have been declared and the trial moved elsewhere, with an army of police and national guard and arrests, to deter further intimidation.

The judge in the case plainly said to Chauvin's defense attorney today in court that he can easily see the Left has quite possibly given Chauvin a golden path to an appeal overturning the case, and having to be re-tried. But I think the judge was careful not to declare a mis-trial himself, because he wants to wash his hands of the case and pass it on to be someone else's problem. This could go all the way to the Supreme Court.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-21 11:24 AM
If you had followed the trial the verdicts wasn’t a shocker WB. It was filmed and that in itself shows Chauvin killing Floyd slowly. Cops actually testified against him and he was unwilling to testify. But I suppose your response was also a given regardless of the facts.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-22 7:21 AM
FORMER HOME OF CHAUVIN CASE DEFENSE WITNESS FOUND COVERED IN BLOOD, WITH SEVERED PIG'S HEAD

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The former California home of a defense witness in the Derek Chauvin murder trial was vandalized with a pig's head and blood smears most likely tied to his testimony from the trial, police said.

Last week, Barry Brodd, the retired police officer, said he believed the former Minneapolis officer was justified in his use of force during the George Floyd arrest.

The Santa Rosa Police Department issued a statement on Saturday that said it seemed that the "suspects in this vandalism were targeting" Brodd for his testimony. The statement said the vandals seemed to have targeted the wrong home because Brodd has not lived there for years.

Police responded to the home at about 3 a.m. Saturday and discovered blood on the home and a severed pig’s head on the front porch.

Brodd, a former Santa Rosa police officer, told the court last Tuesday that it is "easy to sit and judge ... an officer’s conduct.
"It’s more of a challenge to, again, put yourself in the officer’s shoes to try to make an evaluation through what they’re feeling, what they’re sensing, the fear they have, and then make a determination."

Brodd likened Floyd's death to a situation in which officers use a Taser on someone and the suspect falls, hits his head and dies: "That isn’t an incident of deadly force. That’s an incident of an accidental death."

Chief Rainer Navarro, the Santa Rosa police chief, said in a statement obtained by the Associated Press that Brodd’s comments "do not reflect the values and beliefs" of his department.

Chief Rainer Navarro is talking like a politician, not a law enforcement officer.
His correct response is to stand for the rule of law, not throw a fellow officer under the bus to save his own ass.


Yet another example of mob intimidation by the Bolshevik Left, not allowing for any dissenting thought, threatening anyone who dares to disagree with them into silence. I cited over the summer of 2020 that BLM/Antifa protest mobs were carrying French Revolution-style guillotines and effigy severed heads. This group is in perfect lockstep with those lunatics.

And Schumer, Pelosi, Biden, Harris, Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democrat party made no effort to condemn or discourage these vile intimidation tactics. Confirming they support it, and are one in spirit with them, that BLM and Antifa are their Brownshirt-like storm troopers that they all but openly endorse, to violently attack and intimidate all political opposition. They are not a separate fringe, they are an attack arm of the Democrat party. Their public statements, the street mob's actions, are a pincer-movement Bolshevik revolution, just like similar movements by Soros-funded groups in any number of East European and former Soviet republics, where these mob tactics in unison with political leaders in those nations were perfected over the last 30 years. This is not random, it is not a unique situation. This is an insurrection to overthrow the United States.

There are also BLM mobs in the streets of Minneapolis, intimidating people just eating in restaurants, saying they want all white people driven out. That is unbridled racial hatred, the type that soon after loads people in cattle cars to death camps.
But hey, nothing to see here...




REP. MAXINE WATERS CRITICIZED OVER COMMENTS IN MINNESOTA

Just more kerosine on a raging fire.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-22 7:27 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
If you had followed the trial the verdicts wasn’t a shocker WB. It was filmed and that in itself shows Chauvin killing Floyd slowly. Cops actually testified against him and he was unwilling to testify. But I suppose your response was also a given regardless of the facts.


It wasn't a shocker because the intimidation of the court and jury were unrelenting. Even if they had been sequestered, the jury could still see the angry mobs and graffiti all around the court house. They did not vote principle, they voted conviction to save their own lives. As I said, they were all but individually doxed before the verdict was read. They knew these mobs would be right outside their homes as soon as they gave a not guilty verdict. And perhaps violently INSIDE their homes, attacking them and their families, and getting them fired from their jobs because it would be unsafe for their co-workers to remain there.

This is the Bolshevik way, not the American/Constitutional way.
Terror, arson, murder, whatever serves the Revolution.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-23 12:22 AM
I think it’s pretty hard to refute the evidence WB that was presented. Cops have a tough job and need some leeway imho but this was an execution carried out in front of crowd that video taped it.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-24 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
I think it’s pretty hard to refute the evidence WB that was presented. Cops have a tough job and need some leeway imho but this was an execution carried out in front of crowd that video taped it.


AGAIN: George Floyd was a career criminal who had a long history of drug abuse, and committing violent crimes to support his habit. He hurt a lot of people. A few years prior, Floyd did 7 years in jail for a violent home invasion. In another incident, he held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach and demanded money. I wish these and other VICTIMS of Floyd were at his great statesman-like funeral to give their own two cent about just what a great person George Floyd was.

AGAIN: George Floyd was high as a kite with more than enough Fentanyl in his blood stream from that alone. *AND* he further had a high level of Mathaanphetamines in his blood. More than enough to kill him, even if officer Derek Chauvin had never showed up.
*AND* Floyd had a heart condition.
*AND* Floyd had just passed a 20 dollar bill to a BLACK store owner, who called the police and reported Floyd, and said Floyd was glassy eyed and very high on something.
*AND* Floyd was in a car with 3 other guys who were also arrested, *WITHOUT INCIDENT*, one of them the drug dealer who sold Floyd the fatal dose he ingested.

So again: Derek Chauvin did not have perfect conduct with how he handled the situation, but it appears to me Floyd would have died regardless of anything Chauvin did, so I think murder or manslaughter are excessive regarding Floyd's death, who the autopsy (and a second independent autopsy!) show Floyd essentially did to himself.
Chauvin's crime was delaying paramedic treatment to a man who was overdosing, but if paramedics were called immediately, it's still a snowball's chance in hell Floyd would have survived. It *APPEARS* Chauvin was on a power trip, but we haven's see all the body-cam video of the four officers in the Floyd arrest. We've only seen the 9-minute bystander video that shows events in a narrow context.

It's a bit confusing, because there was a paramedic on the scene for that 9 minutes, but she was an assistant paramedic, a bystander walking by, not a paramedic called to the scene with full equipment and access to Floyd, and was essentially being a backseat driver taunting the officers, a clearly defiant and insolent social justice warrior, as her testimony on the stand made clear, even in her taunts to the judge!

I would say Chauvin was guilty of depraved indifference, and possibly excessive force, and whatever charge would encapsulate being arrogant and stubborn and being on a power trip. Chauvin had several reprimands for excessive force, but he also had several commendations. There are way too many things that show Floyd was already dying of an overdose and a heart condition to say Chauvin "murdered" Floyd. Floyd was dying regardless of anything Chauvin did that day.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-26 9:06 PM
These cases involving police shooting black suspects all blend together, largely because the liberal media and Democrats collaboratively shave the facts to weave them into a continuous lying narrative of a white racist American society, and a police "war on blacks", both of which narratives are absolutely false.

Relative to the millions of arrests by police every year, the proportion of blacks who are killed during arrest are very small. George Floyd, Lashawn Brooks, Daunte Wright, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, on and on, there is a consistent pattern of blacks committing crimes, resisting arrest, and even attacking the officers who try to arrest them. That is not "racism", that is law enforcement. And with the exception of George Floyd, who ingested more than a fatal dose of Fentanyl and combined it with Methamphetamines and a heart condition, all of these blacks killed would still be alive if they had simply not resisted arrest and fought with the police. In George Floyd's case, three others in the car with him, including his drug dealer, were arrested without incident. NONE of these suspects were innocent, none of them cooperated with police

The latest one is this 16 year old black girl Ma'Khia Bryant, who was shot a second away from stabbing another black girl to death (on video) in Columbus Ohio.



NBC News Columbus police shooting of teenager Ma’Khia Bryant


Neighbor: officer who shot Ma'Khia Bryant 'did what he thought was best' - Harris Faulkner, Fox News


NBC Nightly News, selectively edited version to sell narrative of police racism toward blacks:



As many times as all the networks have played this video probably 100 times a day each, it amazes me how they never explain some basic things, like:

1) What motivated this clash before the police showed up? The violence on video happened as the police arrived, and the whole clan looks pretty violent.

2) in the foreground as the officer walks up, another girl (in white shorts and a navy sweater) is body slammed to the ground right in front of the officer, and then the black male who threw her further punted her across the grass. Was the girl thrown on the grass with Ma'Khia Bryant, or fighting against Bryant up till the police arrived ? All these networks could talk to the others visible on camera or their friends and quickly learn and report those facts of what happened and who the players are. But almost a week later, they have not. I've only seen the one in pink say Ma'Khia Bryant "was going to stab me". Either the police or the witnesses could explain who all these other bodies flying around were, and why they were doing it. It's weird that almost a week later, with all the endless coverage, they have not, ANY of the national or local networks.

3) How could ANYONE watch the Fox News version and the CNN, NBC and MSNBC versions, and not realize that the liberal networks are engaging in selective omission, manipulating the facts to sell a narrative, and flat-out lying to the public? The manipulation of facts is so obvious.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-04-26 11:06 PM
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Jesse Waters, opening commentary April 24, 2021


Commentary about media's distortion of the facts to manipulate public perception. Specifically as related to Daunte Wright, Ma'Khia Bryant, and the false narrative of a racist police targeting of blacks.

Note the statistics. When Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson Missouri, there were about 8 million arrests annually, about 600 total annual shootings by police, of which only 150 were black.

As Watters cites, it's currently about 10 million arrests nationally per year, and only about 18 black shootings annually, and still abut 24 white shootings per year, virtually all the black shootings caught on police body cameras broadcast on national television.
18 !
As small as 150 was in 2014, I'd say the total cases are quantifiably much lower now. If ,y'know, anyone cared about the truth.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-05-04 4:06 AM
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How Not to get your ass kicked by the Police -Chris Rock



Still funny, still relevant.

I'm hard pressed to think of a publicized police shooting in the last 10 years where this kind of common sense and, y'know, NOT being high on drugs, NOT having prior convictions, NOT violating your parole, NOT resisting arrest, NOT physically attacking/threatening the officers or other people, would likely have resulted in them not being killed.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-05-04 11:12 PM

I think you can add this to the list WB
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-05-06 2:32 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man

I think you can add this to the list WB


I already de-constructed this in the other topic you posted this to.

1) Many of the people who were rioting, attacking police, smashing windows and other violence, were with John Earle Sullivan and his BLM/Antifa group, who OPENLY SAID ON VIDEO they were there PRETENDING to be Trump supporters, that their purpose was to frame Trump supporters for their own violence, and trick actual supporters to follow them into violence.

2) Likewise the Boogaloos are not "right wing", they are in truth left wing and anarchists at best, and have done joint protests with BLM, clearly affiliated with BLM. And their leader was on Facebook for several hours on Jan 6th in numerous posts expressing his hatred for Trump. Clearly any violence committed by the Boogaloos was not in support of Trump.

3) Even the Oath Keepers, who are ostensibly conservative and right-wing, are a separate and distinct group from the Trump supporters, with a history that precedes Trump ever being a candidate.

4) All these groups posted on social media long before the Jan 6th rally, and rather than talking about joining it as supporters of Trump, talked instead about using it as cover for their own agendas. And as their communications WELL BEFORE Jan 6th reflect, as recorded by NYPD, DHS, FBI, and Capitol police, these groups were not motivated by anything Trump said. They made their plans WELL BEFORE Trump ever said a word on Jan 6th.

5) Further, Trump in his 12 noon -1:11 PM speech urged his supports to "PEACEFULLY and patriotically" voice their support for House and Senate Republicans opposing the electoral vote. Trump further made Twitter posts throughout the afternoon urging his supporters to keep their protests peaceful. And finally, when rioting occurred in the Capitol, urged his supporters to go home.

6) You're a fucking liar, M E M. You keep repeating a lying narrative, THAT IS KNOWN to be a lie. All your talking points about "Trump supporters killing cops" and other people, armed "INSURRECTION" (FBI assistant director of counter-terrorism: NO WEAPONS were seized in or around the Capitol that day), or that officer Sicknick was either bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher, or sprayed with a chemical or pepper spray or bear spray, every last bit of that was a lie spread by the liberal media. And according to Sicknick's own brother, the media knew that the first day, but still deliberately spread the lie that Trump supporters killed Sicknick.
The "FIVE PEOPLE KILLED BY WHITE SUPREMACIST TRUMP SUPPORTERS" narrative, is in truth 3 strokes or heart attacks, 1 drug overdose, and an unarmed Ashli Babbitt murdered by a Capitol police officer.

7) In the video, you can only see that someone is attacking the police officers. They are not named, their ideology is not known, and they could easily be BLM/Antifa PRETENDING to be Trump supporters. And the people who formed a circle around the officer to protect him from further beating are likely the TRUE Trump supporters. But since none of the people in the video are identified, we don't know who they are, or what their ideology or motivations are.
Posted By: Matter-eater Man Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-05-06 3:28 AM
You can say whatever, I’m not ever trusting you or any trumper with protecting democracy or putting country first. You folks showed everyone what you’re about. Hope the country is prepared for you guys to go even further.
Posted By: Wonder Boy Re: Twin Cities breaking my heart - 2021-05-07 5:03 AM
Originally Posted by Matter-eater Man
You can say whatever, I’m not ever trusting you or any trumper with protecting democracy or putting country first. You folks showed everyone what you’re about. Hope the country is prepared for you guys to go even further.


Respectfully, you're a blinders-on leftist zealot, who believes and accepts whatever lying talking points the Democrat party feeds you.

For God's sake M E M, you have 5 miles of burned storefronts in your city! WAKE UP!!
Minneapolis looks like Berlin in 1945. And your Democrat mayor, your maniac leftist city council, your incompetent Democrat governor, just sat on their hands and let it happen.
And like a blinders-on zealot immune to the facts, YOU STILL SUPPORT THEM !
And insanely, blame Trump for what THEY DID!!

The lunatics in the fraudulently elected Biden administration are kicking open the southern border to millions of illegal immigrants, crushing the fossil fuel industry and deliberately hyper-inflating the cost of gasoline and home energy, crushing our ability to remain energy-independent (while simultaneously making us dependent and at the mercy of a hostile China for wind and solar energy materials for our energy needs), enacting HUGE new taxes that will drive corporations, factories and jobs out of the United States, and desperately trying to open the Iran nuclear deal to give Iran nuclear weapons in record time.

On every front, if it's bad for America, Biden and the Democrats are FOR it.
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