RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Do liberals HATE the President?

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Dave the Wonder Boy said:


That would be you, Whomod/insaneliberal.

(And who do you think you're kidding with this new user-name?
However, the name is appropriate. You're clearly demented, and too consumed with hatred for Bush, and conservatives in general, to ever be reached by the facts.)

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OK, that's the 2nd time I read this accusation.

I just have to laugh.

and shake my head.

and then add something about people making assertions not grounded in any sort of reality. Something i'm quite used to from you guys so it's no big deal actually.

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Dave the Wonder Boy said:
Liberals frequently make these kind of un-American statements and gestures, and then backtrack later when they are exposed on camera or in written articles, yourself included, Matter eater Man, over the last two pages. You give a list of protest slogans you endorse, and then backtrack to say you don't, when called on your blatant anti-Americanism.

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Dave the Wonder Boy said:

And these liberals disgrace America before the world with their bitter unfounded allegations. For what?

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the audacity! trying to do the president's job for him .

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Dave the Wonder Boy said:
I can't help thinking that the world would be a better place without you.

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Because of some posts on a message board?

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Darknight613 said:

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Dave the Wonder Boy said:
I can't help thinking that the world would be a better place without you.

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Because of some posts on a message board?

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Originally posted by JQ:

Thay hate Bush, not America.

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...during the 17 hours I listened... President Bush was [called] "an idiot," "a liar," a "lazy sack of crap," "a fake Christian," "a murdering scumbag" and — amid a discussion of Janet Jackson and the Super Bowl — "the biggest boob of all."

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But Limbaugh does his name-calling so creatively and hilariously that it usually winds up being entertaining.

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I have no problem with radio hosts who hate a man who deserves to be hated.

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whomod said:

It's as if he's accusing people of being commies or something.

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Bush campaign used Enron, Halliburton jets, records show

WASHINGTON -- During the 2000 presidential election recount battle, George W. Bush's campaign used jets owned by several large corporations, including Enron Corp. and Halliburton Co., that are now under federal investigation, according to Internal Revenue Service records and officials. .............

"The Bush administration literally flew into power on Enron's and Halliburton's private jets," said Bill Buck, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee. .

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the G-man said:
As noted, back in November:

If both unelected AND elected liberals are basing their views on imporant issues on nothing more than "blind rage," how should we evaluate their views?

Should we evaluate liberal viewpoints the way we would reasoned, well-meaning, arguments? Or should we treat them as biased ravings of the enraged?

Something to ponder...

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the G-man said:
As noted, back in November:

If both unelected AND elected liberals are basing their views on imporant issues on nothing more than "blind rage," how should we evaluate their views?

Should we evaluate liberal viewpoints the way we would reasoned, well-meaning, arguments? Or should we treat them as biased ravings of the enraged?

Something to ponder...

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the G-man said:
As noted, back in November:

If both unelected AND elected liberals are basing their views on imporant issues on nothing more than "blind rage," how should we evaluate their views?

Should we evaluate liberal viewpoints the way we would reasoned, well-meaning, arguments? Or should we treat them as biased ravings of the enraged?

Something to ponder...

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the G-man said:

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The discussion is not SHOULD liberals hate the President. It's DO liberals hate the President.

Apparently, you think they do.

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Actually, from what I can follow of the drivel you and your associates are talking, the discussion is "Why liberals shouldn't be allowed to hate the President, and why Michael Moore should be locked up".
So I tell you what: name me twenty Republican pundits who were all for Bill Clinton (or Jimmy Carter if you can remember that far back) and you can claim to have won the argument.
Otherwise, you can shut up. The party in power will always be subjected to sniping from the opposition. If you have a problem with this, you should probably ignore any kind of political debate in favour of assuming that all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.

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April 23, 2004


THE NATION

Presidential Insult in the Bag, Literally

From Associated Press

SEATTLE — Clothes can make a statement. Urban-bag designer Tom Bihn has discovered that labels can too.

Bihn's sales have doubled since a French-language presidential insult mysteriously made its way onto the bilingual washing instructions for hundreds of his laptop bags and backpacks.

The labels read: "Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n'avons pas vote pour lui."

Translated into English: "We are sorry that our president is an idiot. We didn't vote for him."

Bihn's self-titled company has drawn national attention and sparked Internet chatter since a Seattle customer spotted the insult and posted a photo of his bag's label on his Web log.

Bihn is careful to note that the tag doesn't specify who "our president" refers to.

"I'm going with the idea that it's a joke about me, the president of the company," Bihn said Thursday, but "clearly when you use the word 'idiot' and 'president' in the same sentence, people jump to other conclusions."

Bihn, 43, said he knew nothing of the tag until calls and e-mails started coming in from people around the country asking for "the bag with the label."

Bihn figures about 2,000 labels were printed and hundreds had been sewn into his bags.

About 500 labels remain, and Bihn continues to use them. He also has given them to customers who want just the label.

The company also has rolled out a line of "French Label" T-shirts with the enlarged label silkscreened onto the front. The company says all profits from the shirts are donated to the Seattle Veterans Center.

Bihn, who has a Seattle store and a Port Angeles factory outlet, said he has gotten some complaints, but most people who call him say the labels are funny.

None of Bihn's 10 employees has taken responsibility for the tags.

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MisterJLA said:
whomod-

Please click on the link, and click the different colors.

Thanks!


http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/

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D. McDonagh said:
The party in power will always be subjected to sniping from the opposition. If you have a problem with this, you should probably ignore any kind of political debate in favour of assuming that all is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.

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whomod said:

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MisterJLA said:
whomod-

Please click on the link, and click the different colors.

Thanks!


http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/

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um....

How does NO work for you?

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MisterJLA said:
whomod-

Please click on the link, and click the different colors.

Thanks!


http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/

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A shocking image of a blood-spattered President Bush devouring a headless child is causing an uproar.

The drawing by sculptor Richard Serra, based on a painting by Goya, is being used to promote pleasevote.com, billed as "a call to vote the Bush administration out of office."

It appears on the back cover of The Nation's July 5 issue.

Ironically, Serra, a past recipient of NEA grants, was once praised by First Lady Laura Bush in a White House press release about one of his pieces at a Texas museum. His "Tilted Arc" once graced (or defaced) Federal Plaza in lower Manhattan until it was destroyed in 1989. Pundit Andrew Sullivan labeled the Bush image "an obscenity" and "simple demonization."

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HOWARD DEAN, THE favorite to be the next head of the Democratic National Committee, made his case in midtown yesterday, promising to make his party operate more like the GOP - at least when it comes to elections.

"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for, but I admire their discipline and their organization," the failed presidential hopeful told the crowd at the Roosevelt Hotel, where he and six other candidates spoke at the final DNC forum before the Feb. 12 vote for chairman.

But Dean said the Democrats should not change their beliefs to be "Republican lite."

"We can talk about our faith, but we cannot change our faith," he said, echoing themes he sounded in his presidential bid. "We need to be people of conviction."

Later, he said that what "95% of Americans are really concerned about" is national security. But he said Americans also do not want to sacrifice the nation's values. "They want America to be the moral leader of the world again," he said.

Dean came into the event riding a fresh wave of momentum. A day earlier, he was endorsed for the top Democratic spot by Clinton ally Harold Ickes amid speculation over whether Bill and Hillary Clinton would try to block Dean.

Ickes, who briefly considered running for the DNC chairmanship himself, said he was not speaking for the Clintons, but it was a sign the former First Couple won't oppose Dean, who would be chairman for any run Hillary makes at the White House.

Also vying for the seat are grass-roots activist Donnie Fowler, former Texas Rep. Martin Frost, 9/11 commission member Tim Roemer, Simon Rosenberg, former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb and lawyer David Leland.

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Bush-Hatred is like porn for Liberals.

Like porn of the flesh, it's the thrill of political extremes that titlllates the Left. In this political peep show, our president is not merely misguided; he's "deranged." He's not simply striving for an unattainable goal; he's a "boy in a bubble" acting with "callow hubris."

Just as porn appeals to the desire to flaunt societal convention, those on the left must feel great excitement in spewing their sweaty conspiracies, the wackier the better. Nothing is too sinister for this president to attempt. There is no taboo of political discourse the Left is not willing to trample in their need to satisfy their desire. This is the tawdry atmosphere in which it is acceptable, even encouraged, to write such things as "Full blown civil war, if it comes to that, will serve Bush's purpose, too. All the better if Syria and Iran leap into the fray . . ." and "The only meaning 'freedom' can have in Iraq right now is freedom from the US occupation . . ."

Addiction to porn can render one incapable of engaging in real relationships. One wonders if the left can put such sordid obsessions aside and enter into a real conversation with the American people ever again.

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the G-man said:
Steve Merryman observes:

Bush-Hatred is like porn for Liberals.

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Train wreck of an election

By James Carroll | February 1, 2005

IN THINKING about the election in Iraq, my mind keeps jumping back to last week's train wreck in California. A deranged man, intending suicide, drove his Jeep Cherokee onto the railroad tracks, where it got stuck. The onrushing train drew near. The man suddenly left his vehicle and leapt out of the way. He watched as the train crashed into his SUV, derailed, jackknifed, and hit another train. Railroad cars crumbled. Eleven people were killed and nearly 200 were injured, some gravely. The deranged man was arrested. Whatever troubles had made him suicidal in the first place paled in comparison to the trouble he had now.

Iraq is a train wreck. The man who caused it is not in trouble. Tomorrow night he will give his State of the Union speech, and the Washington establishment will applaud him. Tens of thousands of Iraqis are dead. More than 1,400 Americans are dead. An Arab nation is humiliated. Islamic hatred of the West is ignited. The American military is emasculated. Lies define the foreign policy of the United States. On all sides of Operation Iraqi Freedom, there is wreckage. In the center, there are the dead, the maimed, the displaced -- those who will be the ghosts of this war for the rest of their days. All for what?

Tomorrow night, like a boy in a bubble, George W. Bush will tell the world it was for "freedom." He will claim the Iraqi election as a stamp of legitimacy for his policy, and many people will affirm it as such. Even critics of the war will mute their objections in response to the image of millions of Iraqis going to polling places, as if that act undoes the Bush catastrophe.

There is only one way in which the grand claims made by Washington for the weekend voting will be true -- and that is if the elections empower an Iraqi government that moves quickly to repudiate Washington. The only meaning "freedom" can have in Iraq right now is freedom from the US occupation, which is the ground of disorder. But such an outcome of the elections is not likely. The chaos of a destroyed society leaves every new instrument of governance dependent on the American force, even as the American force shows itself incapable of defending against, much less defeating, the suicide legions. The irony is exquisite. The worse the violence gets, the longer the Americans will claim the right to stay. In that way, the ever more emboldened -- and brutal -- "insurgents" do Bush's work for him by making it extremely difficult for an authentic Iraqi source of order to emerge. Likewise the elections, which, as universally predicted, have now ratified the country's deadly factionalism.

Full blown civil war, if it comes to that, will serve Bush's purpose, too. All the better if Syria and Iran leap into the fray. In such extremity, America's occupation of Iraq will be declared legitimate. America's city-smashing tactics, already displayed in Fallujah, will seem necessary. Further "regime change" will follow. America's ad hoc Middle East bases, meanwhile, will have become permanent. Iraq will have become America's client state in the world's great oil preserve. Bush's disastrous and immoral war policy will have "succeeded," even though no war will have been won. The region's war will be eternal, forever justifying America's presence. Bush's callow hubris will be celebrated as genius. Congress will give the military machine everything it needs to roll on to more "elections." These outcomes, of course, presume the ongoing deaths of tens of thousands more men, women, and children. And American soldiers.

Something else about that California train wreck strikes me. As news reports suggested, so many passengers were killed and injured because the locomotive was pushing the train from behind, which put the lightweight passenger coaches vulnerably in front. If, instead, the heavy, track-clearing locomotive had been leading and had hit the Jeep, it could have pushed the vehicle aside. The jack-knifing and derailment would not have occurred. The American war machine is like a train running in "push-mode," with the engineer safely back away from danger. In the train wreck of Iraq, it is passengers who have borne the brunt. The man with his hand on the throttle couldn't be more securely removed from the terrible consequences of his locomotion. Thus, Bush is like the man who caused the wreck, and like the man who was protected from it. Deranged. Detached. Alive and well in the bubble he calls "freedom," receiving applause.

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