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Clinton widens lead over Obama for 2008 vote: poll
Published: Wednesday May 16, 2007
Hillary Clinton has strengthened her status as front-runner in the race for the Democratic Party nod for US president in 2008, putting the brakes on a surge from rival Barack Obama in the latest poll.

A Harris Poll released Wednesday found Clinton ahead by a full 13 points, 40 percent to 27 percent among Democratic voters nationwide. Her showing was better than a similar poll in April which showed her leading Obama 37 to 32.

Only former vice president Al Gore, who has so far said he is not planning to run, and former vice presidential candidate John Edwards registered significant support, with 13 and 12 percent respectively.

In the race for the Republican nomination, the poll had ex-New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani holding onto a solid lead with 38 percent support. But it notably showed former senator and "Law Order" star Fred Thompson -- who has yet to commit to the race -- tied for second with Senator John McCain behind Giuliani, each with 18 percent.

Overall, the poll of 2,523 voters between May 3 and May 10 showed voters continue to prefer Democrats by 71-58 percent over Republicans in the election, which takes place in November 2008.

Nominees for each party will be chosen in a series of state primary votes early next year.

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the G-man said:
I hate women and black people. but here i must go with my women-hating because she is more popular.
Also, I like punching babies.

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And Mr. Bush is fond of Mrs. Clinton, his friends say: Not only does he like strong women, but he enjoys her sarcastic sense of humor, her quick way with a zinger and her shared interest in the nitty-gritty of international affairs.

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the G-man said:
I wonder how long until some rival of Hillary notices this New York Times story describing former President George H. W. Bush and former President Clinton as "practically family" and this comment about the relationship between the first President Bush and Hillary:

And Mr. Bush is fond of Mrs. Clinton, his friends say: Not only does he like strong women, but he enjoys her sarcastic sense of humor, her quick way with a zinger and her shared interest in the nitty-gritty of international affairs.

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Senator Hillary Clinton was so angered by Bill Clinton's alleged relationship with Gennifer Flowers, that she hired a private investigator undermine Flowers, "until she is destroyed,"

when it comes to gay marriage, first lady Hillary Rodhan Clinton is standing by her man.

Clinton, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate from New York State, said January 10 that she opposes same-sex marriage. She also said she would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, a bill passed by Congress in 1996 that prevents federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Marriage has got historic, religious, and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman," Clinton said.

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the G-man said:
Hillary Rodhan Clinton supports Defense of Marriage Act (2000)

when it comes to gay marriage, first lady Hillary Rodhan Clinton is standing by her man.

Clinton, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate from New York State, said January 10 that she opposes same-sex marriage. She also said she would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, a bill passed by Congress in 1996 that prevents federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Marriage has got historic, religious, and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman," Clinton said.

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the G-man said:

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Banning gay marriage is wrong, any ban on it is wrong. But the Defense of Marriage Act is the lesser of two evils. It was signed to prevent the constitution from being fucked with.
Now I realize that the current administration doesn't give two shits about the constitution what with illegal wiretaps, torture, violations of human rights, abuse of executive power, blurring of the two branches.
But DMA can be repealed a lot easier than an amendment could.
Now I realize that you and other modern republicans like a black and white world with perfect solutions or a scapegoat to blame problems on, but Clinton was President in the real world. He chose the option that could be undone, he chose the only option to put off the christian right.

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Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said:
Banning gay marriage is wrong, any ban on it is wrong. But the Defense of Marriage Act is the lesser of two evils. It was signed to prevent the constitution from being fucked with.

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A longtime Clinton benefactor used corporate jets to fly the former President and Hillary Clinton on business, personal and campaign trips that a lawsuit blasts as wasteful company spending.

The supporter, Vinod Gupta, also secured contracts worth more than $3 million for Bill Clinton to provide consulting services to Gupta's Nebraska-based company, infoUSA, from 2003 through 2008, according to the suit.

Since 2002, Gupta has spent $900,000 flying the former President to international locations on presidential foundation business and flying Sen. Clinton (D-N.Y.) to political events.

The suit, filed by infoUSA shareholders last year, claims those expenses and others unrelated to the Clintons were a "serial misuse of corporate assets."

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Clinton Supporter Sued Over Favors

A longtime Clinton benefactor used corporate jets to fly the former President and Hillary Clinton on business, personal and campaign trips that a lawsuit blasts as wasteful company spending.

The supporter, Vinod Gupta, also secured contracts worth more than $3 million for Bill Clinton to provide consulting services to Gupta's Nebraska-based company, infoUSA, from 2003 through 2008, according to the suit.

Since 2002, Gupta has spent $900,000 flying the former President to international locations on presidential foundation business and flying Sen. Clinton (D-N.Y.) to political events.

The suit, filed by infoUSA shareholders last year, claims those expenses and others unrelated to the Clintons were a "serial misuse of corporate assets."

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Conservatives Promoting Anti-Clinton Book
By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
Published: June 17, 2005

WASHINGTON, June 16 - Republican and conservative activists are behind a vigorous campaign to promote a controversial new biography about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, with some even suggesting that the book will help dash any presidential aspirations she might have.
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A new biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton alleges she masterminded efforts to cover up Bill Clinton's draft record during the 1992 campaign - and coolly executed a "20-year project" to place both spouses into the Oval Office regardless of their marital woes.

The book portrays Clinton as a politically savvy manipulator who is, in turn, manipulated by an even savvier manipulator named Bill Clinton.

Gerth and Van Natta's 400-page biography is timed to arrive in bookstores June 5 - the same day as Carl Bernstein's 650-page "A Woman in Charge."

Clinton's rapid-response media operation began issuing talking points questioning the veracity and newsworthiness of both books. ((Maybe Chris will post them here--G)

But the elan hides real concern among her supporters that the books might revive long-held views that she accepted her husband's infidelities as a trade-off for her own presidential ambitions. Bernstein's book, which he began in 1999, before Clinton won election to the Senate, is more of a soup-to-nuts biography, with new information about Hillary Clinton's 30-year struggle to cope with her husband's infidelities.

Gerth and Van Natta allege that Hillary Clinton told then White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta of a Clinton family plan to serve successive eight-year terms in the White House.

During a 1996 ride on Air Force One, Panetta said Clinton revealed the project "had begun in Arkansas with the goal of establishing a long-term change in where the Democratic Party was heading."

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the G-man said:
Didn't get the talking points yet, I take it?

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HILL WANTED TO "DESTROY" FLOWERS: BOOK

Senator Hillary Clinton was so angered by Bill Clinton's alleged relationship with Gennifer Flowers, that she hired a private investigator undermine Flowers, "until she is destroyed,"

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the G-man said:
Let's assume, simply for the sake of argument, that both Bush and Clinton are guilty of trying to extract retribution against someone (in Bush's case, Plame, and in Clinton's case Flowers).

Is it really your position that its better to seek retribution against a person such as Flowers who was a private citizen than against a person such as Plame who was a government employee who, right or wrong, could be viewed as "disloyal."

Isn't it, in fact, worse when a govenment official tries to attack a private citizen, since that citizen has less protections than, say, a politically connected government employee?

Furthermore, still assuming that both are guilty, you've been critical of Bush for violating people's privacy in the name of national security (ie, the Patriot Act). Even if you feel that Bush's invocation of National Security is misplaced, how can you think it better that a potential president would violate privacy, not for National Security, for purely political and personal reasons?

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it looks apparent that Bush was having Gonzales use the Justice Department as a tool for the GOP. Legal perhaps but ethical? Nope

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According to the Federal Election Commission, Hillary took $4,000 from a Cameron Ramsdell, student, Bannockburn, IL., on Dec. 29, 2003. The FEC lists his address as 1200 Valley Road. In 2003, a Cameron Ramsdell was playing football at Lake Forest Academy, a private high school.

Most high schoolers don’t have $4,000 lying around to give away and those who do are not going to give it to a U.S. Senator from another state.

Unless, of course, his mother or other relative is an employee for a company whose top officials have given Hillary more than $150,000 over the last several years and one that could strongly benefit from a Clinton presidency.

Valerie Ramsdell has been a top official for Buffalo Grove-based International Profit Associates, a business consulting firm in the cross hairs of state and federal governments for alleged fraud and blatant companywide sexual harassment. Her $4,000 donation to Hillary two weeks prior to Cameron’s listed the same 1200 Valley Road address.

In that pending sexual harassment lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Chicago, one of the latest pleadings characterizes Valerie Ramsdell as an enabler of the alleged rampant sexual harassment.

Six months after the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed the “most egregious” sexual harassment lawsuit ever out of the agency’s Chicago office, Bill Clinton was yukking it up with company founder and convicted criminal John Burgess. For that appearance, Bill was paid $125,000. Later, the campaign contributions flowed to Hillary, as well as a trip in the IPA corporate jet. If she is elected president, Hillary could make the lawsuit go away in a hurry.

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the G-man said:
So, what you are saying is that you have no qualms about invading someone's privacy and/or destroying them for political gain as long as, technically, no one finds a violation of the law?

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