RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Nader Uses the "N" Word

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Wednesday said:
Heck, you're using an ad hominem argument right now.

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the G-man said:
"If Ed Koch had said what Ralph Nader said, we'd be marching," Sharpton noted. "This [scolding] doesn't rise to the level of a march. It rises to the level of a wrist slap."

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General Zod said:
Shoot Just execute Nader, be better off with out him

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Or send Nader to the phantom zone?

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Beardguy57 said:
In 1995, Sharpton marched besides picketers protesting a Jewish-owned business in Harlem as they shouted "blood-sucking Jews" and "Jew bastards." That little exercise in brotherhood resulted in eight deaths, when a protester rushed into the store and started shooting employees.

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wannabuyamonkey said:
ass-hole is a swear word while nigger is a racist epithet.

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rex said:
Shut up newbtard.

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PCG342 said:
Quit inventing words just because my intellect [chuckle] threatens you.

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Animalman said:

At times Sharpton does hit me as someone in the Jesse Jackson mold (having principles shaped entirely by whatever circumstances they're faced with), but the "blood-sucking Jew" incident happened a decade ago, and is something he's said numerous times that he regrets. While it's one thing to say that, if you look at his promotional tactics from then compared to now, his regret does seem sincere. Much in the way Malcom X mellowed from a staunch anti-white propagandist in his early days, I think Sharpton has also moderated his views with age.

I'm still not overly fond of the guy, but I've warmed up to him a lot more than I would have expected myself to in recent years. Not that I'd consider this grounds for election or anything, but I found his SNL episode endearing, especially as he displayed a willingness to make fun of himself and even some of his former buddies(like Michael Jackson). Plus, he was/is a frequent guest on several of my favorite light-hearted "political" talk shows, like the now-cancelled Dennis Miller Show and the Daily Show.

Would I vote for him? No. But, I think he's a better guy than some of his past mistakes would suggest.

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Nader is a great man who has made enormous contributions to our culture by calling the corporate world out when he has found its customers and our environment suffering from irresponsible or ruthless business policies. Let us salute him.

But that does not mean Nader should not be chastised for presenting himself as irresponsibly as a gangster rapper - someone who has learned the neat college trick of claiming their thoughtless use of an insult is actually intended to sanitize the word.

That shallow idea has not persuaded racists to stop using the so-called N-word. They have not thrown it aside in favor of another more effective term for dehumanization. Any footage from a meeting of white racists proves that.

And rap has not sanitized the word. Again, Lenny Bruce is proven wrong.

The problem is not a simple one, and it will not be addressed by speech codes that assume there is but one way to handle difficult terms. There should be freedoms of speech and there should be artistic license when one is attempting to realistically render the speech of a given group of people. But beyond that, the overall answer is the question of taste.

Rap is essentially tasteless, and that which is tasteless cannot be a measure for the appropriate use of anything.

If we are to demand anything of our public personalities, it should not be that they adhere to some poorly thought-out speech code. It should be adhering to a real sense of taste that does not set aside the sting of the street, which after all can be summoned as much by subtle implication as by thoughtless recourse.

Yes, there are places and ways in which whites can use the now forbidden "N-word." One is to quote someone else, another is to make a character more real in his speech, the last is in a discussion of insults and how they came to be.

Beyond that, one runs the risk of sinking down into the hole of tastelessness, where one can be sure neither he nor she will feel alone. Not in times like these.

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magicjay38 said:
I guess I'm late to the party. I've read the thread from the beginning to the end and the things that really jump out at me are the ways you deal with racisim almost exclusivly in the abstract. The only concrete example given attention is blacks on Jews which G-man keeps alive.

I think it's fair to say most off us here are college educated white guys who are too wisened to practice racism ourselves and it is something only the great unwashed masses are subject to. But America is a racist society. Most of us can't escape from it's subtle effects. It's not something that is done on a conscious and deliberate basis. It affects our thinking in subtle ways.

My thoughts come from personal experience. I am racist. I don't know how it took hold on me but I suspect I learned it from my culture. I was 9 when the Watts riots happened in South-Central LA. I can remember my parents repeating rumors that rioters from the city were driving out to the 'burbs where we lived to 'get whitey'. While my parents were liberal Democrats, the family has long roots in the South that go back to colonial times. In my mind I was free of all that. I liked Martin Luther King and the fight against Jim Crow. How could I be racist? When I was in my 20s I began to notice subtle things in my thinking that were disturbing. Why was I upset when I heard of mixed race weddings? Why was I suspicious of black men? It was then I recognized the subtle form of racism that had taken hold of me. I'm not proud of this and I fight against it constantly. But it's there and I'll probably take it to my grave.

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PCG342 said:
shoot me.

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Beardguy57 said:

I date black men. I like very much that there is a gay interracial couple on the HBO series, " Six Feet Under. "

I get very distressed when I see a movie or show about racism. It's sad that such a group as the KKK can exist, along side cell phones, computers, etc.

I wonder how long it will be, if EVER, that we begin to advance as much as our technology?

Magic Jay, this is not aimed at you, as I believe you are a good person with a conscience, rather it is intended at the ones who voice their unreasoning hate in public, and continue violent acts against those who are a diffrerent race than they are.

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Beardguy57 said:
Sometimes, a young 20 something black guy on the street at night makes me a little bit jumpy

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PCG342 said:
See, when they're carrying a damn handgun, you can't help but be a bit nervous. Hell, I don't wander the streets anymore without at least a knife, just to be safe.

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Talk about fucking up! You bring a knife to a gun fight?

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rex said:

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Beardguy57 said:
Sometimes, a young 20 something black guy on the street at night makes me a little bit jumpy

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magicjay38 said:

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PCG342 said:
See, when they're carrying a damn handgun, you can't help but be a bit nervous. Hell, I don't wander the streets anymore without at least a knife, just to be safe.

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Talk about fucking up! You bring a knife to a gun fight?

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Animalman said:
You're paid by the word, aren't you?

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claiming the N-word is actually a friendly greeting - is back again, this time by a Queens teen who used the epithet to address a cop during a Halloween melee.

Patrick Rich, 17, says he invoked the term to address a black police officer, but meant no offense.

"I didn't mean n----r in that way, that's just the way I talk," Rich told cops, according to papers filed in Queens Criminal Court yesterday. "I meant it in a friendly way."

Queens prosecutors yesterday added bias charges against Rich; his mother, Patricia Rich, 44; cousin Robert Glade, 22, and family friend Nicholas Stack, 16.

The four were already facing charges of resisting arrest as well as other charges stemming from an Oct. 31 fracas in Broad Channel that began after someone threw an egg at an unmarked police car. They have denied making any of the statements and claim it was Detective Marques Stewart who went wild.

"That [officer] was full of hate and anger," said Patricia Rich after yesterday's hearing before Queens Criminal Court Judge Gene Lopez. "I was trying to help."

Patrick Rich held up a rap music CD he said shows his affinity toward blacks and denied making any of the statements. "They put words in my mouth," he said. "I'm not racist, I have blacks in my family .... Do you think I'm that stupid to make those statements?"

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the G-man said:
New York Daily News

claiming the N-word is actually a friendly greeting - is back again, this time by a Queens teen who used the epithet to address a cop during a Halloween melee.

Patrick Rich, 17, says he invoked the term to address a black police officer, but meant no offense.

"I didn't mean n----r in that way, that's just the way I talk," Rich told cops, according to papers filed in Queens Criminal Court yesterday. "I meant it in a friendly way."

Queens prosecutors yesterday added bias charges against Rich; his mother, Patricia Rich, 44; cousin Robert Glade, 22, and family friend Nicholas Stack, 16.

The four were already facing charges of resisting arrest as well as other charges stemming from an Oct. 31 fracas in Broad Channel that began after someone threw an egg at an unmarked police car. They have denied making any of the statements and claim it was Detective Marques Stewart who went wild.

"That [officer] was full of hate and anger," said Patricia Rich after yesterday's hearing before Queens Criminal Court Judge Gene Lopez. "I was trying to help."

Patrick Rich held up a rap music CD he said shows his affinity toward blacks and denied making any of the statements. "They put words in my mouth," he said. "I'm not racist, I have blacks in my family .... Do you think I'm that stupid to make those statements?"

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If one Texas mayor gets his way, uttering the 'N-word' will cost residents $500 a pop under proposed city ordinance