Geez, you two are really hurt upset about this, aren't you? I mean, to the point of acting as if I insulted your parents or something.
Now you're actually promoting a near-conspiracy theory that Yoko Ono and a reporter made the whole thing up to sell records....as if allegations of incestous desires makes an artist more popular.
I really think you should not put this much faith and emotion into dead celebrity worship. It's kinda reminiscient of those fat old ladies who go and sob at the gates of Graceland every August.
So, your entire argument relies on nothing but hypotheticals and assumptions that either the reporter or Lennon's widow lied.
Lennon wanting to fuck his mother isn't a hypothetical situation to you? You know this for a fact? What, did you see him at a meeting or something?
Assuming Yoko Ono is capable of lying is unrealistic? Assuming a journalist is capable of fabricating something nasty about a celebrity to sell books is unrealistic? You're the one who's supporting his entire stance on nothing but unlikely scenarios.
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Serious question: what kind of shrine to you have to Lennon in your hut? Does it involve candles or just a lot of photos taped to a mirror? Do you sacrifice chickens to his ghost or just clutch a rosary made of old guitar picks when you pray?
Well, since it's a serious question I guess I should answer honestly. I don't really have a Lennon shrine, sorry. I don't even own any of his albums, much less photos. I've never killed an animal in my life or owned any rosaries: I may live in a third world country, but I'm not THAT primitive! Come on. Also, I don't live in a hut; my house is probably bigger than yours (and I don't say that with pride). Odds are you're completely ignorant about anything that exists outside the US (and I'm sure you know that isn't a joke), so I guess it's necessary to clarify all this.
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I ask because, between your wild guesses on what "really" happened
In what reality is a man not wanting to fuck his mother a "wild guess"? Again: are you sure you don't have any issues of your own, G? Did you by any chance get erections when your mom breastfed you at age 12? (That last part is a fabrication, by the way. Don't you go and take it seriously: you may actually believe it and kill yourself!)
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and your belief that Lennon's more respected than the Pope, that's one hell of a religious devotion you got going there.
What's the big deal with the Pope? Do people still respect the guy? The new guy?I don't keep up with that sort of thing, but I thought his popularity took a huge dive after all those priests started G-maning children.
I think once they're all long dead people are gonna start appreciating the extent of his contribution to rock and pop.
that's just it -- lennon has the distinct advantage of having died. even more so of having died relatively early into, what could have been, a 50+ year career. thus, all of his accomplishments are glorified, coupled with that "what could have been" factor.
they were both clearly brilliant at what they did best. at this point, though, i can't see how paul could outrank john, when john's career so heavily outweighs pretty much everyone in the industry's history
Now you're actually promoting a near-conspiracy theory that Yoko Ono and a reporter made the whole thing up to sell records....as if allegations of incestous desires makes an artist more popular.
No, but they keep him relevant. Proof: you posted that article. Most people are intelligent enough to know that it isn't true, but that doesn't stop it from making a juicy story.
You may concentrate on that last reply if you don't feel up to debating the points in my previous post, by the way, G. I don't want to cause a spike in your blood pressure or anything.
So, Mxy, every time you read a newspaper article you assume that everyone cited in the story and/or the reporter is lying? Because that assumption is exactly what your argument hinges on in this particular case.
If I read a newspaper article that claims a celebrity wanted to fuck his mother, yes, I assume it's not true. If I see a reference to a shocking new tell-all book that will disclose outrageous never heard before facts about a dead celebrity, yes, I'll assume it's full of shit. Same goes for anything Yoko Ono does in general.
YOUR argument hinges on the honesty of journalists, celebrity book authors, and Yoko Fucking Ono. I don't know why I even have to explain why you're on the losing side here.
Hey, haven't you complained about the media being dishonest about something or other in the past...? I guess that only applies to articles that publish stuff you disagree with. Such as the shocking exposé in which it's revealed that Paul Stanley from Kiss has never fucked any of his parents. What kind of sick man is that?!
Its amazing that Gay-Man thinks we are reacting to this like someone insulted our parents, yet he has resorted to cliched nationality insults to try to bolster his argument. Sounds like the workings of a mind that knows its in the wrong, but just cant admit it, so it reverts to being a 12 year old again.
It's already been established that, to G-Freud here, wanting to fuck one's mother is an everyday thing. I guess he thinks we're overreacting simply because we're not getting aroused by the idea.
I keep hearing mention that mccartney's stuff is more commercially viable, whereas lennon's lyrics and what not made him the superior artist. it's the same age-old trade-off that faces most musicians. if your 'message' is really that important to you, you can stick with it and insist on doing your own thing regardless of what everyone else is doing or what the masses want to listen to. or you can, essentially, shut up and play, and while you're probably compromising a little from a perspective of pure artistry, you'll be making bank doing it. everyone has different views on how socially conscious a committed artist ought to be, how vociferous they should be when presenting and defending their convictions, and so on. even if your works don't have a single solitary singing or speaking voice in them, you can start a full-scale riot if you play your cards right - or wrong, depending on how you look at it. it's happened plenty of times in the past.
[quote=Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk] they were both clearly brilliant at what they did best. at this point, though, i can't see how paul could outrank john, when john's career so heavily outweighs pretty much everyone in the industry's history
Really???? What outside of the Beatles did Lennon dot hat was so great? Imagine is massively remembered, but I have to say that even as a whiny liberal I find it hippy bullshit! ("Imagine no possessions", probably a bit easier for us than you John-boy!)
("Imagine no possessions", probably a bit easier for us than you John-boy!)
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Is Johns career really that great? No doubt he is fondly remembered by many. But when you think of musical icons, you think of Elvis, Johnny Cash, The Beatles(which John was a part of of course), but as a solo guy I don't think most people consider him great.
Out of curiosity, what do you do when you're in court and you can't post a Youtube video in the place of an argument? Do you just start singing or what?
[quote=Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk] they were both clearly brilliant at what they did best. at this point, though, i can't see how paul could outrank john, when john's career so heavily outweighs pretty much everyone in the industry's history
Really???? What outside of the Beatles did Lennon dot hat was so great? Imagine is massively remembered, but I have to say that even as a whiny liberal I find it hippy bullshit! ("Imagine no possessions", probably a bit easier for us than you John-boy!)
actually, you're right. i confused the brits in my post. i meant paul's career (he's the alive one, right???) outweighs john's, as well as most of the industry, cuz it's been decade after decade of success and one-legged women.
Out of curiosity, what do you do when you're in court and you can't post a Youtube video in the place of an argument? Do you just start singing or what?
Didn't you ever see "Cop Rock"? The traffic court lawyer on that show was based on me.
Ultimate Jaburg53 cool Moderator Asshole Extraordinaire 15000+ posts Wed Oct 15 2008 11:55 PM Reading a post Forum: Media Thread: Remembering John Lennon.
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Pariah nerdy Moderator Triteness kicks us in the nads. 15000+ posts Thu Oct 16 2008 12:28 AM Reading a post Forum: Media Thread: Remembering John Lennon.
Is Johns career really that great? No doubt he is fondly remembered by many. But when you think of musical icons, you think of Elvis, Johnny Cash, The Beatles(which John was a part of of course), but as a solo guy I don't think most people consider him great.
I think you'll find the worst people who hold Lennon up as an icon, are fellow musicians.
To be honest though, as much as I like him, I dont believe Cash is considered that much of a legend outside the USA.
Lennon is in that category of musicians who died (relatively) young, so it automatically makes them more hip and trendy to worship.
Regardless of their talent, guys like Lennon, Marley, Hendrix, Morrison & Cobain etc, probably gained more of an iconic status & hero worship after they died.
In some cases its justified, in others not so.
Lennon in my opinion, was overrated, but thats probably because I prefer the more commercial music of McCartney, but everyone is different I guess!
