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the DC universe is being torn in two.
after dozens of disasterous metahuman battles, many on an unprecidented scale with countless dead, the human population of the united states has had enough. this latest "infinite crisis" served as the final straw in a process long-building.
in an effort to stem these horrific events, the public, lead by representative lex luthor, have asked their government to enforce regulations. acknowledging the benefit and many noble deeds of the heroes, the people were not requesting an all-out ban. however, the government would be required to fund all meta human operations, and provide adequate and regimented training in exchange for a system of checks and balances, including full registration of individuals involved, and revealing of his/her true identity to the authorities.
this powerful ruling has sent massive shockwaves through out the metahuman community, splitting them into two clear cut groups; one feeling the requirements just, the other in strict opposition.
the lines are most clearly drawn between the two largest icons of each side;
batman - forever a dark and mysterious defender, refusing to bow to what he deems a government maddened with power.
superman - publically and directly nominated by lex luthor to be immediately placed in the "loyalty camp". feeling it his duty, and wanting to best represent the public's needs, superman joins.
each icon remains forever rigid in their view, with differences turning to anger. each searches for others to join their cause. rifts and divides grow as the battle wanes on and viewpoints become jagged.
who are you with?
which characters would join each side?
where would the battle lines be drawn? what partnerships, teams, and meta families would be ripped apart? and, inevitably, whose side would come out on top? and with what ramifications?
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I'm with Power Girl's ginormous bosoms.
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Pro-registration:
The Comedian
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Against registration:
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Superman pro-reg? That'd be a huge, and bold, move. The outcome would be far greater than Batman's outing in Kingdom Come. I imagine the JLA and JSA would be torn apart. Half of which would join Superman and Lex (  ) while the rest joined or formed other teams. Robin would withdraw from the Titans. Cyborg would join. Bats, after trying to beat Luthor to a pulp, would take over the Outsiders. They'd probably be hunted by Lex's newly formed Justice League. Superman and Batman would never trust each other again...Bats would be floored that Superman joined with Lex's side. I'd be with Batman.
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If Superman agreed to support Bu... er, Lex, when he was elected President, then he'd probably agree to support the registration as well, thought I'm not sure if he'd personally side with it.
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I couldn't see Supes revealing his identity. That'd be too huge a risk. He also wouldn't be as nuts as Iron Man has been.
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Soooo... I'm guessing you think this is a good idea?
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I don't think Superman has to reveal his secret identity since no one suspects that he has any.
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Shit. Am I the last person to figure out that The Watcher is Jeremy's alt?
I thought it was just another poster with no personality.
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You know, just once, I'd like DC to do a story where Bats was the government stooge and Superman wasn't.
After all, Bruce Wayne is a rich, white, millionaire. For all this claimed "vigilante/urban legend" crap, he is regularly shown working directly with and for the police, violating criminals' civil rights, coercing confessions, etc. After his parents were killed, the government, in the form of Leslie Tompkins came to his aid and took care of him, alongside Alfred. Every couple of years there is some story about some buddy of his running for congress. He obviously travels in the elite circles of power. In some stories we see that he favors gun control and, possibly, other government regulations.
At the same time, Clark Kent is a journalist, a group that usually is highly suspicious of government. He grew up in the midwest, in the country, far away from a significant government interference. He has known for decades that he is an outsider. His adopted parents (who have been retconned into organic farmers) have said that they originally kept his powers and origin a secret because they thought that the government might come and take him away.
So...based on the above, which one seems more likely to be aligned with the government?
I'm not saying that this analysis is set in stone, or mandates that one hero or the other would be pro-registration. However, it seems as valid as the opposite analysis, which is the same way DC always does it.
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Probably, if Batman is the leader of the anti-registration side Robin could end up on the pro side. He's just lost three important people (Spoiler, his father and Superboy) to major costumed conflicts. I think it'd make for a better story if Robin ends up on a different side from Batman and Nightwing.
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Probably, if Batman is the leader of the anti-registration side Robin could end up on the pro side. ...I think it'd make for a better story if Robin ends up on a different side from Batman ...
Which is nothing, nothing, like Kingdom Come. 
Understand, NW, I'm not attacking you. I'm must illustrating that this whole "Batman the rebel, Superman the conformist/authoritarian" storyline has been done several times before (off the top of my head: Dark Knight, Kingdom Come, a Superman Elseworlds Annual, Superman:Red Son, the New Frontier, and probably others I don't remember) and it'd be interesting once in a while if they reversed the dynamic.
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I was really thinking of it more from Robin's perspective (part of what you cut when you quoted me was "...and Nightwing"). I Just thought it would be interesting if Robin ended up seperated from some of the few connections that he has left only this time it's by his choice, and the choice was motivated by the losses he's already had.
Believe it or not, there are people who are bigger fans of Robin than they are of Batman.
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Yeah, they are gayer than Rob.
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Understand, NW, I'm not attacking you. I'm must illustrating that this whole "Batman the rebel, Superman the conformist/authoritarian" storyline has been done several times before (off the top of my head: Dark Knight, Kingdom Come, a Superman Elseworlds Annual, Superman:Red Son, the New Frontier, and probably others I don't remember) and it'd be interesting once in a while if they reversed the dynamic.
aye, most comic book stories, and their most basic form, have been done before. itsa twists that make'em better. i really think the basic "civil war" plotline marvel is using would work beautifully in the current DCU, with a variety of alterations and twists.
in this scenario, its the people that have elected the rules, because of too much damage being caused. superman would probably naturally fall into line with that, as his character just always wants to make people happy, even if he rejects the notion of government control.
or, perhaps he'd be against the notion at first, but would then relent after his super conservative kansas family talked him into it.
there'd also be a nice lil dynamic in luthor spearheading the campaign in the public eye, for humanity's behalf, a stance he has always had, and now has the full support of the public.
a character with a known ID, like the flash (when it was still wally. ...and when it was still known) would clearly be ok with the registration side, but might still sympothize with the "hidden" side because of other colleagues with more sensitive backgrounds.
some heroes would fully reject the registration for fear of government leaks and sue dibny-type situations. though it would be interesting if a character like ralph dibny would agree with the registration, in an effort to prevent future leaks and offer more protection.
or, i could imagine after the superman and batman sides build up, and after a few punchy exchanges between batman and superman, one of the two could talk the other out of their stance.
perhaps batman could bring superman over to his side, which would then abandon all of those left on superman's team, which would then get them all pissed at superman, and perhaps sway a view more votes over to their side, etc.
shape-shifting j'onn could play both sides of the coin. hal and kyle would most certainly have a difference of opinion on the sides, splitting lanterns. further, hal might agree more with not-registering, however because of his allegience to superman, and rocky relationship with batman, reject his own feelings.
very cool dynamics.
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Yeah, they are gayer than Rob.
Not gayer, bigger Pedophiles.
Er, I mean I'm not gay.
Or a pedophile.
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Understand, NW, I'm not attacking you. I'm must illustrating that this whole "Batman the rebel, Superman the conformist/authoritarian" storyline has been done several times before (off the top of my head: Dark Knight, Kingdom Come, a Superman Elseworlds Annual, Superman:Red Son, the New Frontier, and probably others I don't remember) and it'd be interesting once in a while if they reversed the dynamic.
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aye, most comic book stories, and their most basic form, have been done before. itsa twists that make'em better.
I understand that. I'm simply noting that I think it would be an even better twist if, for once, Superman was the rebel and Batman the conformist.
Like I said: Batman has a long history of working with the police. At the same time, Bruce Wayne is friends with a fair number of politicians.
Suppose a politician who was a great friend of Bruce's, say, a John McCainish straight shooter or former Gotham Mayor with national cred, ala Rudy Guiliani, who was now a US Senator, was the guy representing "the people." Suppose that this "Rudy McCain" had enlisted the support of Jim Gordon and Lucius Fox. So you have Jim urging Batman to come aboard and Lucius (and "Rudy") urging Bruce. Furthermore, over the years Bruce has been outed to a number of his enemies: Bain, Ras, Talia, the Riddler, Catwomen, etc., Hush, Jason, etc., without any significant repercussions. Who is to say that, given the deaths and tragedy in Bruce's life recently, coupled with the lack of consequences from being outed as Batman so many times, that he might not say "maybe it is time to come in from the cold," especially if Jim and Lucius support the idea.
Hell, you could even have Alfred tell Bruce something like "the Batman has done much good, but this double life has eaten away at you over the years. Have forgotten how until recently you had all but abandoned Bruce Wayne? How lonely and paranoid you were getting? Master Bruce, I will stand by you no matter what you decide, but I trust the people to realize that both Bruce Wayne and Batman have been a force for good."
At the same time, as noted in my earlier post, you have Clark's parents who have, despite your characterization as "conservative," never really trusted the government. Martha and Jonathan, after all, raised Clark to believe that the government would take away and possibly kill him for being different. Add to that the fact that Lex, the public face, is his sworn enemy, do you really think Clark would say "okay, let's give away my secret ID to Lex Luthor...he won't use it against me and endanger Lois, Ma and Pa..." Remember Clark didn't even tell Lois he was Superman until sometime AFTER they got engaged. That says Superman, not Batman, is probably more paranoid about the old secret ID.
So, in a twist, Superman says "no, I'm not registering. You don't even know that I'm an American citizen. I won't interfere with your law as long as it goes peacefully, but if you harm or threaten a single friend of mine in enforcing it, all bets are off....to quote an old friend, Mr. President, 'you won't like me when I'm angry.'"
And, let's face it: if there is a guy in the DCU who could say "fuck you" and scare the shit out of the government, it would be Superman.
So now, instead of the old "Superman and his supporters hunt for Batman" you have the twist of "Batman and his supporters try to bring about the registration without incurring the wrath of the most powerful person on the planet."
Of course, this being a comic book, something would go wrong and now you have Superman saying "its war."
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hal might agree more with not-registering, however because of his allegience to superman, and rocky relationship with batman, reject his own feelings.
Hal's in the military. His commanding officer already knows his ID and Hal is generally portrayed as a "follow orders" kind of guy (contrasting him with Green Arrow). I think if there's anyone in the DCU who would be on pro-registration side, its Hal.
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id love to see it done just to see luther and superman smile and shake hands in front of the media and then talk some serious crap to eachother behind closed doors...
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id love to see it done just to see luther and superman smile and shake hands in front of the media and then talk some serious crap to eachother behind closed doors...
Yeah, because that never happened during all the years of the "President Lex" storyline.
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well i liked it then and id like to see it again
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Wouldn't it make more sense to split teams? JLA is against, Titans /Ousiders for?
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I've been thinking about this, and I think G-man is right about Batman being pro registration, and Superman being against registration. I think Robin would side with Batman, but Nightwing and the original Titans would probably side with Superman. Add Ollie and Hal to the pro side. Wonder Woman would probably be against it because she's seen the system perverted against her. Oracle would be against it, and her Birds of Prey would stand by her, including former BOP member Canary. Jay Flash would be against it, what with his own identity public and his experiences with that. Bart Flash would be for, because there needs to be a rift between "grandfather" and "son," much like Bruce vs. Dick. This is a civil, or rather, uncivil war, after all. I think the real impact would be which side Supergirl falls on. She is supposed to be more powerful than Superman, and if Batman could bring her over to his side, well...
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Dude, she's underage! You can't mention that!
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I'm not up to date on comics, How is Supergirl more powerful than Superman?
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