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Always recognize that human individuals are ends, and do not use them as means to your end.
Immanuel Kant

Even philosophers will praise war as ennobling mankind, forgetting the Greek who said: 'War is bad in that it begets more evil than it kills.'
Immanuel Kant

If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on.
Immanuel Kant
that one was in reference to a larger argument about the worm-ness -from another fellow?- which I forget, but made it rather entertaining to read this quote


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Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.
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I detest racialism, because I regard it as a barbaric thing, whether it comes from a black man or a white man.
Nelson Mandela

I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.
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If the United States of America or Britain is having elections, they don't ask for observers from Africa or from Asia. But when we have elections, they want observers.
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It is better to lead from behind and to put others in front, especially when you celebrate victory when nice things occur. You take the front line when there is danger. Then people will appreciate your leadership.
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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
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For every prohibition you create you also create an underground.
Jello Biafra

If you love god, burn a church.
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I'm totally down with insurrection in the street. I've had a great time with that over the years. Insurrection in the voting booth is the other part of the equation.
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Respecting other people's cultures is well and good, but I draw the line at where some branches of Islam, what they do to women. It's indefensible.
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You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
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 Originally Posted By: Uschi

You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


or you could pay your bandmates.

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 Originally Posted By: Uschi

I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.
Nelson Mandela
BOO-YAH, Hal Jordan! BATMAN WINS AGAIN!



or does he?

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It’s not about being without fear. We’ve made the Green Lantern Corps about overcoming fear. You’re not fearless. You overcome fear. You work through your fear. You’re faced with something that’s hard to face, you’re afraid to tackle an issue you don’t want to tackle, and the best thing you can do is to find the willpower to tackle it, to overcome it. It’s hard to do, but you have to do it. I think that overcoming fear is something all of us have to do. We don’t always succeed, but we have to try.

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 Originally Posted By: Grimm
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You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


or you could pay your bandmates.


It is my understanding that the DK went to sell stuff without Jello's permission and without giving him his cut. Are we on the same level here?


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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
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 Originally Posted By: Uschi
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You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


or you could pay your bandmates.


It is my understanding that the DK went to sell stuff without Jello's permission and without giving him his cut. Are we on the same level here?



considering it was them that sued him for non payment of royalties dating back to the formation of Alternative Tentacles, probably not.

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Okay. Well, I've never been the type to follow the histories of bands, I'll just let what you said stand above my statements.


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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

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I just think it's a bit hypocritical of him, that's all. Blackwulf is a HUGE DKs fan and he was really pissed off about the whole deal.

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"I just think it's a bit hypocritical of him"

indeed it seems so. luckily, I don't follow Jello Biafra in cult (or, really, at all), so my image of him hasn't really been tarnished by this

I am unfamiliar Blackwulf.


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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

"If Jesus came back and saw what people are doing in his name, he would never never stop throwing up." - Max von Sydow, "Hannah and Her Sisters"
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 Originally Posted By: Uschi
Always recognize that human individuals are ends, and do not use them as means to your end.
Immanuel Kant

Even philosophers will praise war as ennobling mankind, forgetting the Greek who said: 'War is bad in that it begets more evil than it kills.'
Immanuel Kant

If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on.
Immanuel Kant
that one was in reference to a larger argument about the worm-ness -from another fellow?- which I forget, but made it rather entertaining to read this quote


My favorite philosopher.


"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller

"Conan, what's the meaning of life?"
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!"
-Conan the Barbarian

"Well, yeah."
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 Originally Posted By: Uschi
"I just think it's a bit hypocritical of him"

indeed it seems so. luckily, I don't follow Jello Biafra in cult (or, really, at all), so my image of him hasn't really been tarnished by this

I am unfamiliar Blackwulf.



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oh! A fellow; a friend of yours.


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"I am convinced that this world is of no importance, and that the only people who care about dates are imbeciles and Spanish teachers." -- Jean Arp, 1921

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Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
Ayn Rand

Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one's values.
Ayn Rand

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
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The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
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There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
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There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist.
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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Ayn Rand


I totally disagree here.


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 Originally Posted By: Grimm
 Originally Posted By: Uschi

You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


or you could pay your bandmates.
FUCK THE POOR!


"My friends have always been the best of me." -Doctor Who

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 Originally Posted By: Uschi
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There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Ayn Rand


I totally disagree here.

Yeah. Right wrong is a matter of opinion and the middle is usually someone or something stuck in the middle.


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"Well,whenever I'm confused,I just check my underwear. It holds most answers to life's questions." Abe Simpson

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 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
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You can spend the money on new housing for poor people and the homeless, or you can spend it on a football stadium or a golf course.
Jello Biafra


or you could pay your bandmates.
FUCK THE POOR!



actually the DK song title is "Kill the Poor".

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Quote from
History of the World: Part I


Roman Senator: All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?

Entire Senate: FUCK THE POOR!


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 Originally Posted By: Lothar of The Hill People
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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Ayn Rand


I totally disagree here.

Yeah. Right wrong is a matter of opinion and the middle is usually someone or something stuck in the middle.


Yeah. Like, for example, causing grievous bodily harm upon someone. Is it wrong? Yes! You ought never infringe upon another person's rights like that! Is it right? Yes! Suppose that person was trying to kill you or rape your child! Am I standing in the middle, taking both sides dependent on circumstance? Yes! But is that evil? Fuck no!


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Yeah. Like, for example, causing grievous bodily harm upon someone. Is it wrong? Yes! You ought never infringe upon another person's rights like that! Is it right? Yes! Suppose that person was trying to kill you or rape your child! Am I standing in the middle, taking both sides dependent on circumstance? Yes! But is that evil? Fuck no!

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Thank you, URG. That were am eloquent.


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 Originally Posted By: Uschi
 Originally Posted By: Pariah
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
Ayn Rand


I totally disagree here.


I guess Rand never took interest in the Israel/Palestine-conflict.


"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller

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 Originally Posted By: URG
Yeah. Like, for example, causing grievous bodily harm upon someone. Is it wrong? Yes! You ought never infringe upon another person's rights like that! Is it right? Yes! Suppose that person was trying to kill you or rape your child! Am I standing in the middle, taking both sides dependent on circumstance? Yes! But is that evil? Fuck no!


...Nope. Still doesn't make sense.

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To live for a time close to great minds is the best kind of education.

The true definition of a snob is one who craves for what separates men rather than for what unites them.

Public life is regarded as the crown of a career, and to young men it is the worthiest ambition. Politics is still the greatest and the most honorable adventure.


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"What does not destroy me, makes me stronger."
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"To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity."
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"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45


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Rorschach was right!


"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller

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