|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 785
Assassinist 500+ posts
|
|
Assassinist 500+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 785 |
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie?
"Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money" - Ice Cube
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 7,040 Likes: 24
Society's Discontent 6000+ posts
|
|
Society's Discontent 6000+ posts
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 7,040 Likes: 24 |
Don't know about his take on Bane. Interested in why Bane's holding up a pic of Dent, though. This movie is supposed to be set eight or ten years after the events of TDK. Would seem an awfully silly motivation to be like "It was Dent, retards. Batman was fucking with you!" or something like that. Pumped about a return appearance by Ra's and--maybe--a Scarecrow cameo.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie? Nolan has mentioned Bane as a mental as well as physical match for Batman, which is what he was created as.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
Don't know about his take on Bane. Interested in why Bane's holding up a pic of Dent, though. This movie is supposed to be set eight or ten years after the events of TDK. Would seem an awfully silly motivation to be like "It was Dent, retards. Batman was fucking with you!" or something like that. Pumped about a return appearance by Ra's and--maybe--a Scarecrow cameo. 'Batman killed Dent' is probably what it's going to be about. Also, he's standing on a Tumbler (aka Batmobile).
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
Its getting to the point where I want to avoid anything about the movie. I over analyzed everything about The Dark Knight and it took some of the fun out of it.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
OP
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
|
|
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153 |
Maybe we'll get the Broken Bat story-arc... ... wait, doesn't that mean... ... Azrael!? 
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?"
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!"
-Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah."
-Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents."
-Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise."
-Prometheus
Rack MisterJLA!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1
living in 1962 15000+ posts
|
|
living in 1962 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 19,546 Likes: 1 |
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie? Bane's only been a one note villain when creators have written him that way. Chuck Dixon actually based the character on Doc Savage and intended for him to be (as mentioned prior) a physical and mental equal to the Bat (with Venom being his ace in the hole). Dixon, and a few other creators (Gail Simone on Secret Six most recently) have actually put thought and craft into the character and made him interesting. But many others fail to do so (including Bruce Timm and co. on TAS) and leave him as just the one note villain too many see him as. A character is only going to be as good as what the creators invest in him. even crap Liefeld creations have become interesting characters under other creators, Cable, Deadpool, and Supreme are all proof of this.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
Nolan made the Scarecrow a top notch villain. I don't doubt that he'll use the same magic for Bane. Nolan seems to have a knack for seeing the best potential in the characters he chooses and reworking them in very interesting ways. Ducard as Ra's. Hell, he even made Bruce knowing Joe Chill killed his parents an interesting twist in the creation of Batman.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 7,040 Likes: 24
Society's Discontent 6000+ posts
|
|
Society's Discontent 6000+ posts
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 7,040 Likes: 24 |
Seconded. Bane was great under Dixon and Simone.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 17,853 Likes: 3
Son of Anarchist 15000+ posts
|
Son of Anarchist 15000+ posts
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 17,853 Likes: 3 |
Simone and Dixon's Bane made my pee pee tickle.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
in simone russia, pee pee tickles you
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie? bane basically is a one note character, in the batuniverse. i haven't read the gail simone stuff, but strictly in batman's world, i've never seen him do anything intelligent. his masterminding behind knightfall was... shooting a rocket at arkham?  he's been neato in kelly jones covers, and i liked the pairing with ra's in legacy (might be some of that in rises) but i don't see any depth in the character. nolan, on the other hand, is a god, so whomever he wants to recreate, i'm fine with giving over to him! from what i've read, nolan used very little from the comics for bane, at least regarding to his origin. sounds good to me, but schumacher could have said the same thing!
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
Never name the Unmentioned One again, Rob. You've been warned.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
its only bad if you say it three times in a row. i've read the handbook for the recently deceased
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 785
Assassinist 500+ posts
|
|
Assassinist 500+ posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 785 |
Hmmm... Bane's always come off as a one note villain in the comics. Has Nolan talked about Bane and how he plans to tackle the character in this movie? Bane's only been a one note villain when creators have written him that way. Chuck Dixon actually based the character on Doc Savage and intended for him to be (as mentioned prior) a physical and mental equal to the Bat (with Venom being his ace in the hole). Dixon, and a few other creators (Gail Simone on Secret Six most recently) have actually put thought and craft into the character and made him interesting. But many others fail to do so (including Bruce Timm and co. on TAS) and leave him as just the one note villain too many see him as. A character is only going to be as good as what the creators invest in him. even crap Liefeld creations have become interesting characters under other creators, Cable, Deadpool, and Supreme are all proof of this. I know any character can be a good one with the right creative direction behind it (which is why I was wondering what news there was about Nolan's creative take on Bane for this movie) I never read Knightfall, but I have read a lot of Bane's appearances between the late 90's to mid 2000's (which didn't impress me much) and I haven't read many comics since just after the Sinestro Corps War (everything about comics sort of fell off for me after that) so I never read the Secret Six ongoing (just the miniseries before Bane was on the team that came out I guess maybe a year before they launched the ongoing?) Anyway, I think I know what happened to Bane now. He was just one of those villains (like Catman, the Wrath, KGBeast, etc,) that was created to be an equal challenge to Batman, but fell off the radar after that due to poor or simply no usage.
"Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money" - Ice Cube
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 17,853 Likes: 3
Son of Anarchist 15000+ posts
|
|
Son of Anarchist 15000+ posts
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 17,853 Likes: 3 |
I read Knightfall, and while he was sold as Batman's equal, he didn't strike me as such. Partly because he still has henchmen (Bats only has a henchboy) and the writers can't seem to think of a way to show his suposed intelligence, the strategies he comes up with are not that creative, the kind any one of us could have thought of and executed given the right resources (Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
Also, the writers who focus on his addiction to/dependence on Venom doesn't help either. They can show Bats as intelligent and cunning by focusing on the fact that he doesn't have any superhuman powers but can still kick all kinds of ass. Bane, on the other hand, gets slightly above-human abilities from the Venom.
When Bats explained why he has the Yellow Oval symbol even though it works as a big target, you go "oooh, that's very clever!"
When Bane pumps some venom into his system and breaks something (like Croc's hands), you don't get the same impression. How smart do you need to be to pump Strength Juice and then break stuff? Even reax can do that.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
|
|
OP
Officially "too old for this shit" 15000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 43,951 Likes: 6 |
(Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
In fact, Ra's Al Ghul did, and it was the basic plot of Batman #400, back in 1986.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
|
|
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153 |
(Break out every single heavy hitting rogue from Arkham, and have them wear Batman down?! Every single villain Batman has fought could have thought of that.)
In fact, Ra's Al Ghul did, and it was the basic plot of Batman #400, back in 1986. That was a good comic. Since it was pre-Crisis, Batman is forgiven from not remembering it. 
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?"
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!"
-Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah."
-Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents."
-Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise."
-Prometheus
Rack MisterJLA!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
|
|
Unbreakable 3000+ posts
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,153 |
Seconded. Bane was great under Dixon and Simone. So Bane likes to be dominated, by both men and women. Good to know.
"Batman is only meaningful as an answer to a world which in its basics is chaotic and in the hands of the wrong people, where no justice can be found. I think it's very suitable to our perception of the world's condition today... Batman embodies the will to resist evil" -Frank Miller
"Conan, what's the meaning of life?"
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!"
-Conan the Barbarian
"Well, yeah."
-Jason E. Perkins
"If I had a dime for every time Pariah was right about something I'd owe twenty cents."
-Ultimate Jaburg53
"Fair enough. I defer to your expertise."
-Prometheus
Rack MisterJLA!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
|
|
Timelord. Drunkard. 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 24,593 |
What did you think the mask was for?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet." Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
This was posted on twitter earlier.  When this webpage works it shows a countdown to tomorrow at noon EST. http://www.operationearlybird.com/
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
Sweet! It was a countdown to this! Forbidden You don't have permission to access /map.html on this server. Apache Server at http://www.operationearlybird.com Port 80 I wonder what it means?
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
"i'd hate to see things get out of, well... i'd just hate it. give it a shot, son. your country's counting on you. "
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
booooo now i can't get back to the site anymore, i get the forbidden error
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
aww, man. now the site works :-/
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
Its free tickets to showings of the prologue that will be shown before Mission Impossible 4.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820
cobra kai 15000+ posts
|
|
cobra kai 15000+ posts
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 45,820 |
i'd like to think that the last thing that went through rex's balding head, other than coming to terms with virginity, was to wonder how the hell others were seeing the exciting new footage of superman joining the dark knight rises while he was stuck, rapidly refreshing a broken link error.
giant picture
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
I almost have more posts than rob.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
I could pass him right now if I wanted to.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
|
|
Who will I break next? 15000+ posts
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 46,308 |
I may be balding but at least I'm not short.
November 6th, 2012: Americas new Independence Day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,793 Likes: 3
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
|
|
Doog the MIGHTY 10000+ posts
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,793 Likes: 3 |
Still dude...you have everything else against you.
|
|
|
|
|
