RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events South Korea's war on porn.

http://www.katu.com/news/national/South-...-182829801.html

So thats where SoM works.

If that's the cultural identity of South Korea, then more power to them. I definitely believe that any society free of pornography is going to be better off socially. I find that its effects on a community are inherently negative. Lord knows I'd have been better off without any exposure to it.

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Both the freedom loving Conservative AND the Christian in me says it's immoral to ban such things because there's no way to establish an empirical connection between pornography and the downfall of society. It's more likely that an increase in pornography, and the marketing of sexual acts in general, in a given society stands as a result of a breakdown before it will ever be a cause of one. That's not to say that I think it can't be the root of societal degradation, but you'd be very hard-pressed to prove it--if you'd be able to at all.

In the case of North America for instance, I believe a developed fixation on pornography has simply been produced by--as well as compounded with--prior cultural issues that developed post 50s. And only now that it's been established as a constant in our already deteriorating cultural is it causing noticeable damage.

Do you really think our culture is deteriorating post 50's? I ask because prior to that there was stuff like segregation and a whole different concept of poverty.

As for South Korea, the relatively soft stance on child pornagraphy doesn't make sense given their overall view of porn. Maybe they need to narrow the scope more & focus on the pedophiles?

It was laws and social trends pushed for after the fifties that ended up increasing segregation.

And poverty isn't what deteriorates culture. Lack of opportunity does.

So you believe that if people had just left segregation alone it would have gone away faster? Either way it was part of the culture and it wasn't let go easilly. The good old days where not all good.



Different ways of saying the same thing.

The Jim Crow laws were already abolished; no one ethnicity was being prioritized over another. Segregation and black poverty was well on its way to fixing itself before minimum wage, welfare, and affirmative action took hold and ensnared the black population in a trap it has yet to--and probably won't--escape from. This has resulted in a sub-cultural mentality of victim-hood that's hurt the culture immensely.



But it's not the same thing at all. Poverty does not equate to lack of opportunity as long as one can go out and get a job and work his or her way up the ladder. Very possible earlier in the last century.

That's not true at all. Segregation was still in place and there isn't a question as to who was getting the short end of the stick.

But it was getting less severe up to 1965 when it was abolished.

That's about the only positive development you can contribute to the era. Unfortunately, it was completely undone by those social programs I mentioned, which only ended up creating a trend of voluntary segregation that turned out to be more severe than the involuntary variety.

Yeah, let's ignore that many schools were still segregated in the 70's and pretend that the problem was basically resolved in the 50's.

I didn't say everything was resolved. I said the severity was decreasing and that eliminating the Jim Crow laws helped exponentially. But since those other social programs were implemented, the positive effects couldn't be felt, or rather they were canceled out.

It's obvious that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Segregation wasn't decreasing as much as you believe. I'm not a fan of social engineering, but it's foolish to say that things like Affirmative Action (which, as an ongoing plan, I'm against) never served a usefulness or was needed.

Then don't endorse it.

AA is no different than the Jim Crow laws: it prioritizes one race over another. As a result, legislated discrimination never really left.

Trying to combat like with like is ridiculous.

It's not my fault you didn't expand on your premise.

All you're telling me is that you feel it was needed and that its desired objectives were worth moving towards. But that doesn't explain how AA serves as a functional system towards that goal when all it--and systems like it--has done is build government dependency and breed resentment between social groups.

You say we needed systems like it. I say the principle of such systems dooms it to failure.

I thought this thread was about porn.

It certainly made it worse and assured that the issues among the black communities of the US would never get better--and they still haven't.



And that's exactly why those enterprises wouldn't survive in the market: because their prejudices undermine their profit margins. The government doesn't need to do anything to deter such practices. The market will do that on its own.

But if that's how you characterize the majority of enterprises back then, then you were blowing smoke about wanting AA as a temporary solution since those enterprises would just go back to their former policies after it was done and over with.



Precisely right. I will never be behind a government enforced program that compels anyone to practice business contrary to his or her morality.

If someone wants to keep me out of his or her housing and/or restaurant because of my ethnicity, then that's his or her God given right. I wouldn't like it, but I'm not in a position to tell a person they can't do that.

It is. Can't you tell?

I tried wanking off to it, but it's not the same.

Respectfully, M E M, you apparently don't know your history.

The U.S. military was integrated in 1948.

Eisenhower passed multiple pieces of legislation in the 1950's to insure greater equal opportunity, and freedom from voter intimidation for blacks and other minorities.

Ultimately with Brown vs the Board of Education in 1957, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to integrate schools, and President Eisenhower could have refused to send the National Guard to enforce it. But he did enforce it, and the nation supported it.

The only conservative opposition to Civil Rights legislation in 1965 was to the socialist nanny-state bean-counting aspect of it (i.e., tokenism, entitlement and racial subsidies: Sen. Goldwater and others opposed the socialist guaranteed equality of result, vs. a more capitalist guaranteed equality of opportunity approach.)

There have always been political/social issues of dispute in any era. That doesn't mean the culture of the 1950's was less socially advanced than now. When I look at the representative movies, television, music and literature of that time, I think it is undisputably a stronger and more unified culture up till roughly 1965.
My father has told me many times that up until the 1950's in Pennsylvania, the family would take him on vacation and leave their doors unlocked, and never had to worry about burglary.
People trusted their neighbors. The Great Depression in particular demonstrates how much people could depend on each other and survive, WITHOUT government assistance.
There's an optimism, whimsey and sentimentality in the movies and music of that time that no longer exists.

95% of men and women were married, with a healthy birthrate. And children out of wedlock, and divorce, were rare.
Schools were turning out a higher ratio of graduates, with higher SAT scores, schools did not have rampant dropout rates, drugs, and teen pregnancy.
And ultimately our "progressive" culture now produces more illiterates at a higher ratio of cost per student, than in "less advanced" times.

Our current culture is a morally rudderless cesspool of profanity, cynicism, and violence, that ultimately spawns that behavior in the people that watch it.

I was out two Christmases ago in a department store on Christmas Eve. I'd actually finished my shopping, and was enjoying the holiday shopping atmosphere and Christmas music playing, with the thought of picking up a few extra stocking-stuffers.
I made my way into the record and DVD department and had already selected a few CD's, and was looking for others when after a few minutes I noticed the noise of the movie DVD playing, put in by the guy working that department (some thug-looking black kid). Some gang-thug movie, with a lot of gunfire and screaming obscenities back and forth. I tolerated it for a few minutes, but it really started to anger me, that this punk chose to play this particular movie, on Christmas Eve of all times. I finally heard one line that I remember very well that pushed me over the edge: "Fuck you motherfucker, I'll cap your fuckin' ass!"

I had a handful of CD's that I was 5 minutes away from purchasing. I threw them on top of the bin of CD's, and just walked out of the store.

THAT is your "more advanced" culture, M E M.



As far as advancing beyond racism, the only difference now is that instead of it being socially acceptable to discriminate against minorities, it has become socially acceptable for minorities to discriminate against and threaten violence toward whites. In the last week, I saw Jamie Foxx on Saturday Night Live joke about his new movie, where he "got to kill all the white people, how great is that?". And some black sports announcer interviewed, where he said the National Rifle Association is the new KKK.


Likewise class envy where liberals feel morally justified to threaten to do violence to, or even kill, the Republican/conservatives they disagree with. And we've certainly seen examples of that right here on these boards.
As well as almost daily in the broader national political arena.

See my above post.

It certainly was fading fast in the 20 years after World War II.

The only dispute to that by the two major parties was in 1965, over whether to have true equality, or (what the Democrats rammed through) entrench guaranteed entitlements to minorities.
The detrimental effects of which are detailed well in Pat Buchanan's SUICIDE OF A SUPERPOWER.

Even the far-Left Rolling Stone magazine acknowledged this. I still have the issue from April 1988, where they did a 20-year retrospective of the state of black America 20 years after the death of Martin Luther King Jr.
That they were actually worse off 20 years later. And certainly not improved since.

I'm not going to argue the facts any further on this one. Some people are wearing their rose tinted glasses for the pre-60's. We all probably tend to do that with the past but it still doesn't void what was acceptable and even governmentally mandated wasn't right and our culture grew when people stood up and changed it.

Declining academic scores, increased school violence, higher drug use, decreasing high school graduation rates (despite vastly increased spending per student), increased gang activity.

Declining incomes (down an average $4,000 annually in Obama's first term alone), a declining dollar on the verge of collapse, a skyrocketing 16.3 trillion in federal debt, the gutting of our high-wage industial base offshored to China and other nations.
Rising crime, vast expansion of Mexican drug cartels across our southern border, 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants, a vastly weakened U.S. military, with even greater sequestration cuts pending.

A balkanized fragmented culture of ethnic factions that barely tolerate each other, with kerosine tossed on those flames by the liberal media daily. And where the federal government tells people of faith that it's intolerant to teach what their bible tells them is immoral, and the state rams its secular morality down their throats, teaching their kids that homosexuality and gay marriage are not immoral, outlawing prayer and display of the ten commandments in public buildings, forcing churches to fund abortion, and otherwise strangling out the Judao-Christian principles that this nation was founded on. The principles without which our founders said our republic was doomed to fail.



Yeah, M E M.
We're much better off now.

Yep. You can always pick out things to highlight but even there when you get into the gay stuff you know I don't agree with you. Fifty years ago it might have been better if you were a white straight male but for everyone else not so much. Even the WSM had a greater probability of having to fight in a war at some point. I think our culture has grown and what was acceptable than like segregation isn't now.

I realize that's the image of the past that the revisionist Left likes to indocrinate in our schools, universities, and popular culture.

It's necessary to destroy the past, to pave the way for the new socialist/globalist order. And I've spoken to many women and minorities as well who lament the changes and chaos of the last two decades. I'm one of the oldest members on this board (almost 50) and the segregation and discrimination you mention were a thing of the past, even in the years I was growing up. Even in a divided black and white America, on both sides there was happiness, security, stability, religious freedom, and a great sense of American exceptionalism and national pride.

Revisionism tries to erase that.

At least no one has mentioned Romney or Obama yet.

Try again. Never, never, never give up on wanking off.
-Winston Churchill

You did.

Apparently it is since voluntary segregation is still very apparent.

You're so stuck on legislated segregation that you refuse to acknowledge as being part and parcel of a full blown mentality fostered by the policies you endorse.

you should move to a more white, christian country wondy

wonder boy mentioned obie on the first page. you know he loves his president

You just can't help yourself, can you, Pro? Little slanderous digs like this give you away, despite your best efforts to pretend you're not who you truly are.

I've said many times that I welcome anyone from anywhere into this country, so long as they want to assimilate and truly become an American, and not have their first loyalty to some other nation or ethnic group. And I know plenty of white, black, hispanic, asian and Native Americans who fit that description.

It's not about race. I don't know what pathological dysfunction makes you constantly and falsely make it about race.

Honestly, you don't come off very good in this thread WB. The segregation that was going on back than wasn't something I made up. It's historical fact. When you and Pariah try to diminish that it makes you the revisionists.

As I said, the discrimination is still there, it's just going in the other direction now. The DNC has pretty much based its platform on rallying minorities to turn to the DNC for protection from a "white racist" America that hasn't existed since before I was born 50 years ago. The few scattered over-reported cases of Klan violence in movies like Misssissippi Burning were even then a rare occurrence. Those early 60's killings of three college students were the death-throes of the Klan. I looked up the Klan recently just to see its influence, and it is believed to only have about 5,000-6,000 members nationwide. I've never in my life met a bonafide Klansman or self-identified white supremacist.

Yet the DNC and liberal media and Democrat party constantly whip up fear of a white racist threat that minorities have to be protected from (by the DNC).
Despite that I could count the incidents over the last 40 years on one hand.
Despite that black attacks on whites (U.S. Justice Dept. annual statistics) occur at a ratio of 50-to-1 of the reverse.
Despite that the white population of the U.S. has declined from 89% in 1965 to a current 72%, and declining by 1 to 2% every 4 years, and as polled is far more open to minorities than minorities are open to them.

I stand by my point: Violence was rare in the 50's era. There was greater stability. And people for the most part felt safer. Including minorities.
Why do you hate America, that you try so hard to slander what even liberals like Tom Brokaw termed "the greatest generation". As I made clear, beginning with de-segregating the military and many pieces of legislation during the Eisenhower and Kennedy years, discrimination was fading fast. Those were times to be proud of. I think a black man in his 70's must be very pleased with the advances he has seen in his lifetime, most of it implemented almost 50 years ago.

Thomas Sowell said that a descendent of slaves born in the U.S. is about 50 times better off than his brethren who remain in Africa, in just about any imaginable category: income, education, healthcare, political freedom, safety from violence, economic opportunity.

Colin Powell said in an interview with a British reporter that "nowhere but in America" could he as a black man have risen to the heights that he has. And according to polls for 20 years, he could have been President of the United States as well.

So... spare me the propaganda about how shameful our past is. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty damn good, compared to just about anywhere else in the world a black or other minority man could hope to live.

pathological dysfunction? you mean really really (gayly) obsessing over prometheus? i made a joke. pull tampon from your asshole, crybaby

racist

I like Wondy,but I just can't read all his long ass posts.