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Trump’s trade deficits
“ Both as a candidate and a president, President Trump decried trade deficits.

While he is not the first to bemoan deficits nor will he be the last, Trump made taming them a key part of his campaign.

On that score, he will have failed. The three largest U.S. deficits in history will have occurred during the Trump Administration.

But his complaints about trade deficits are largely due to a misunderstanding of how international trade works. It led him and his trade advisors to a misguided decision to shift to bilateral deals and away from the multilateral focus that had largely been in place since the end of World War II and an equally misguided understanding of what trade deficits represent and how they occur.

The truth is, deficits should be expected to increase over time as overall trade increases. In the simplest terms, it means U.S. consumers and businesses are buying, leading to increased imports.“

Obama racked up about 2 trillion in his first year, with various Stimulus and Omnibus spending bills. And just before Obama became president in Jan 2009, he also supported the $750 TARP bailout of the banks, that even 2 years later was mostly sitting in accounts, unspent on any kind of needed financial recovery plan. Making the point, as many Republican leaders did at the time, that the Stimulus, Omnibus and other Obama spending bills in 2009 were in truth COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY, and were in fact just a way for Obama to provide a slush fund for the Democrat party and its private sector allies in the 2010 and 2012 elections.


Which is exactly what Biden is doing now in 2021. If Trump were in his second term, there would not have been a $1.9 trillion bill passed (that only less than 9% actually goes to Covid-19 prevention programs or economic assistance for those impacted, the rest is a slush fund for Democrat and their allies in the 2022 and 2024 elections).
Likewise, the new $2 trillion "infrastructure bill" is mostly similarly to support Democrat allies and spending projects, and about 6% truly going for "infrastructure" spending.

And that's not the end of Democrat spending planned. but in less than Biden's first 90 days, Biden has already set in place another $4 trillion in new deficit spending, IN ADDITION to the new annual deficit. Both Obama and Trump spent over a trillion a year in new deficit spending over that 12 year period. And W. Bush's deficit spending from 2001-2008 was between 500 billion and 1 trillion a year during his 8 years, which was also unprecedentedly high up till 2008, but still far less than Obama's 2009-2017 annual deficit spending. About 75% of our cumulative national debt was created during just these 3 presidents.

And what Biden has created in just the early months of 2021 equals if not exceeds Trump's annual deficit over his entire four years !

You also lyingly evade that a lot of that new deficit over Trump's 4 years was extorted out of Trump for the Democrat controlled House to sign off on Trump's spending. As I pointed out before, Trump wanted $700 billion to rebuild our military that Obama had neglected and destroyed to a dangerous level of unpreparedness, where for example, our airforce was only at 50% combat-readiness. But to get the requested $700 billion, Pelosi and Schumer extorted ANOTHER $900 BILLION in further spending, in a bill that ended up adding a total $1.6 trillion to the national debt. So... is that "Trump's deficit spending"? No, it's obviously not. It';;s just more of your lies.

That said, presidents of both parties have allowed an increasing escalation of the debt, that really began to accellerate in 2001, further accellerate in 2008-2009, and now is accellerating to unprecedented new highs, and the Democrats want to keep adding bills with EVEN MORE suicidal spending. Perhaps you should be concerned more about the lunatics in your own party who are doing the spending right now, M E M. About 4 trillion in the last 80 days, if they manage to ram this deceitful "Infrastructure bill" through.

Trump's focus was fair trade deals where the U.S. would cease bleeding cash to nations who were taking advantage of us. Trump re-negotiated trade deals with every one of our major U.S. trading partners: Mexico, Canada, Central America, South America, the EU, Britain, Japan, South Korea, China, Australia. All re-negotiated in more favorable (i.e., fair) terms for the U.S.

The original previous agreements that Trump's negotiated trade agreements replaced were all drafted after World War II, when much of the world was in ruins or still developing. We gave them trade advantages so that these nations could rebuild, or economically develop for the first time. In the modern world, where Europe, China, India and Brazil are industrialized nations, these agreements had become unfair to the United States, particularly considering the amount of debt the U.S. now has, that it didn't have before.

Trump's goal was also to take the U.S. away from foreign/OPEC oil dependency, and Trump succeeded in this, making the U.S. oil independent for the first time in 70 years. Something Biden is now dismantling, crippling our fossil fuel industry, and making us again reliant on foreign sources. If we go completely to battery power and solar energy, that is all created in China, and the U.S. will be completely at China's mercy as soon at that system emerges.

Some of the annual deficits cited were unavoidable by Trump, as we had unusual Covid-19 relief spending that would have occurred under any president who was serving when the crisis hit. And we are already seeing that as much spending as there was, the cost would have been far higher if a Democrat had been president in 2020, as we are seeing with Biden's orgy of spending right now.

I bet WB isn’t done with excuses for trump turd. Trump failed and he failed hugely. China has gotten the jump on us in solar but Biden is aiming to change that. Not competing on renewable energy is stupid and we lost ground thanks to trump traitor. Oh and Obama also gets credit for pushing for higher fuel efficiency in cars btw. Trump tried to steal not only the election but much credit from what Obama actually achieved.

You degrade only your own credibility when you insult Trump and call him a "turd".
Trump, the most accomplished president in over 50 years, and certainly the most accomplished single-term president of our lifetime.

By Biden's national betrayal, all our solar energy would be imported from China, and Biden's policy would kill the domestic U.S. fossil fuel industry, and with no fossil fuel alternative to fall back on and go back to, it would make us completely dependent on China.
"China Joe" Biden has staffed his administration, including his secretary of state and chief of staff, with recent Chinese lobbyists. There will be no pushback against China, no defense of the nation agaanist China, with Manchurian candidate Joe Biden in charge. Biden has been paid well for his betrayal of the nation, already having received millions in bribes from China, Russia, Ukraine and Rumania, and other nations, in his cut to "the big guy". And Hunter Biden's pending windfall on the $1.5 billion he invested for the Peoples' Bank of China is estimated at up to $200 million, another hugee cut of that shared with "the big guy"/ a k a President Biden. This nation is in peril every hour this corrupt Chinese puppet remains our president. And likewise all the America-hating cultural marxist Democrat Bolsheviks in his administration, that are destroying the nation from within every day.

There has been no change in the CDC, Fauci is still in charge of N I H (Fauci, who had risky domestic NIH Coronavirus research cancelled from under him by higher federal authorities, judged as too dangerous, and then Fauci sub-contracted that work to the Wuhan Institute viral lab, and essentially funded the dangerous viral research in the Wuhan lab with over $3 million in N I H funds). This is well documented.
*THAT * Anthony Fauci is still in charge.

The World Health Organization lied for China when they banned all travel inside of China, while simultaneously allowing flights to every nation on Earth to spread the Covid-19 virus worldwide. They are on Team China, and helped China infect the entire world.
As president, Trump cut off all U.S. funding to WHO until they have a change in management that assures this cannot happen again.
Piece of shit "Joe China" Biden as president immediately fully restored funding to WHO, WITH NO CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP OR DISCLOSURE ON Covid-19's ORIGINS REQUIRED AS A CONDITION !
It's like saying to China and WHO and CDC and NIH: Come on, do it again, kill millions more of our people.

Obama pushing for more fuel efficiency in cars is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Your allegations about Trump "trying to steal the election" are factless and absolute shit garbage. The evidence of Democrats stealing the election, as I've cited and linked repeatedly, in state hearings in all contested states, in a New Hampshire voting machines audit, in a Montana election audit, in Michigan and Georgia and Arizona audits, ALL show that it is Biden and the Democrats, NOT TRUMP, who tried and successfully stole the Nov 2020 election. Where Trump votes were consistently flipped to Biden votes deliberately at a ratio of 3 to 6 %.
And there are many down-ballot Democrat Senate, House and local state officials who benefitted from that theft and should likewise not be in office right now. Yet another anti-American coup by the Democrat Bolshevik Party. Only by deception and lawlessness can the Democrats win.

I’m calling a turd a turd. I gave up on you being credible a while back to be honest. Biden like Obama inherited a mess. Hopefully the American people don’t fall for the same crap your party pulled back than. Trump left the country more divided, dead and poorer by the numbers. His greatest feat was harnessing hatred and fear. The Jan 6 riots where he called the trumpers beating on capitol police and smearing shit on the walls special people that we love. You can summon up all righteous partisan anger you want and not truly look at what you helped do with your support but that’s on you.

You're such a loyal Bolshevik zealot, M E M. It's clear you will support whatever the current day's lying Democrat narrative is, no matter how absurd. Your piece of shit rigged-election current occupant of the White House is ripping this country apart in less than 90 days in office. In the last 30 days alone, your piece of shit Bolshevik leader Biden has let in over 170,000 illegal immigrants. By comparison, my native city of Boca Raton, FL has a population of about 100,000, that it took about 120 years to achieve. Your piece of shit fake president let in almost DOUBLE that number of illiterate criminal welfare-dependent aliens IN JUST THE LAST MONTH !

It was previously estimated that at this rate 2 million illegals would enter this country by December. It is now estimated that 2 million will have already arrived BY SEPTEMBER !

These criminals are not checked for criminal background, not checked for identification papers, not checked for Covid-19, not checked for other diseases like tuberculosis, Hepatitis A, B or C, flesh-eating bacteria, measles, or any number of diseases previously eliminated in this country. And yet they are able to get on buses and planes, AT U.S. TAXPAYER EXPENSE and move freely anywhere in the country.

In contrast, when a U.S. citizen is traveling in Mexico and wishes to return to the U.S., they have to get a Covid-19 test and pass it up to 2 weeks in advance before they can board a plane into the U.S.
Even if a U.S. citizen travelling i Mexico has already been immunized for Covid, they cannot board a plane home to the U.S. until they are tested again and verified Covid-negative.
But any lawbreaking illegal immigrant can enter as they please. It's obscene.



Uh...

https://www.newswars.com/msms-narra...in-the-way-of-a-good-political-lynching/

...your side is still trying to sell that narrative, even though lie after lie on your part has been exposed. The "Five people killed by white racist Trump supporters" turned out to be four Trump supporters who died of strokes or heart attacks, and one Trump supporter killed by a Capitol police officer, stoked on by John Earle Sullivan and his group of BLM/Antifa fake Trump supporters. Sullivan and his group are the ones responsible for the ONLY death that day. Not an "insurrection", no places were militarily seized, according to Jill Sanborn, the assistant director of the FBI's counter-terrorism division, NO GUNS were seized or found in or around the Capitol that day or after. How do you have an "insurrection" without guns, except in a lying Democrat narrative?

If you were the slightest bit honest:

BLM/Antifa: Not Trump supporters.
Boogaloos: Not Trump supporters, in truth aligned with BLM, more anarchist and leftist than right-wing. Its leader attacked Trump that day in Facebook posts.
Oath Keepers: Again, not Trump supporters, but a right-wing group with their own agenda, that precedes the Trump movement.
Proud Boys: Again, a group with its own identity and history separate from and preceding the Trump movement. From what I've seen, they're more of a "fight club" type group, that even its founder has distanced himself from.



What "crap" is that exactly?

The lowest unemployment and the highest-performing economy in over 50 years?
The lowest black, hispanic, and asian unemployment ever recorded? (Black unemployment began being measured in 1972, the others later).
The lowest women's unemployment since the 1950's?
The lowest under-25 unemployment in over 50 years?
The return of corporate investment, factories and jobs to the U.S., that Obama said Trump would have to "wave a magic wand" to make happen? But Trump did it.
Restoring of our military to a high preparedness, after Obama left it so destroyed that only 50% of our aircraft were combat-ready. And Trump eliminating the training accidents and ship collisions that regularly occurred under piece of shit Obama?
The fact that Trump defeated ISIS and destroyed their presence in Iraq-Syria only about a year into his presidency, that W. Bush and Obama did not achieve in the 16 years before Trump? Trump humiliated his predecessors by proving what a president could do, what two previous presidents couldn't.

That Trump re-negotiated trade deals with all our major trading partners? (Japan, South Korea, the E.U., Mexico, Canada, Central America, South America, Australia) re-negotiated in our favor, that no other president had done in 75 years?

That the U.S. under Trump became oil-independent and a net exporter of energy, for the first time in 70 years, removing the need to entangle us in foreign wars?
(That conversely, Biden is hell-bent on ending fossil fuel in the U.S., ending the Canadian Keystone XL pipeline, and driving us right back into foreign dependency and mid-east wars in record time, and worse, rebuilding a new U.S. energy infrastructure based on Chinese-manufactured solar panels and Chinese battery technology, that will give them a stranglehold on U.S. energy in the near future.)

That Trump had eliminated Chinese components from our power grid, that Biden immediately began using again, so the Chinese can hack into and cripple our power grid? (as they could not under Trump.)

That Trump had European nations for the first time since NATO began, paying their contracted share for their own defense? That NO OTHER PRESIDENT before Trump made them honor?

Beyond letting in hundreds of thousands of criminal and Covid-infected aliens, Biden has also allowed the drug cartels that Trump's policies were strangling of cash, to suddenly be revived in new money, that Border Patrol conservatively estimates as $400 million in just the last 30 days alone. And probably a lot more. Border Patrol counts about 6,000 illegals they catch a day, and estimates another 1,000 to 1,500 more A DAY escape to freely move in the U.S.: drug cartels, murderers, rapists, thieves, criminal gangs, human traffickers, just running wild. They are laughing at us, these enemies of the U.S. are celebrating an incompetent Biden presidency.

As are the Russians, amassing 80,000 troops on the Ukrainian eastern border for invasion.
As are the Chinese, having consolidated control over Hong Kong, and are daily flying fighter jets over Taiwan, that they have vocally announced they plan to invade in the next 6 years. They were looking for any sign of resistance from an incompetent Biden administration, and with no resistance whatsoever, are even more emboldened to invade. I'm sure those in Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, The Phillipines and Australia are also alarmed and on notice, in a way they would not need to be in a second Trump term.

Biden is leaving Afghanistan the same way Obama left Iraq in Dec 2011, with no remaining force or ground observers to warn us. They will slaughter the people remaining who are loyal to us, and of all symbolic days to fully withdraw, September 11 2021 !!
It's an insult to the veterans who died and lost limbs to secure Iraq and Afghanistan. And Taliban and Al Qaida will come roaring back the moment our forces leave. And further, Afghanistan will be occupied as a bridge to connect China with Iran, to further unleash chaos across the entire Middle East.



Is that the "crap" you were talking about, M E M? All the quantifiable achievements that Trump accomplished, that only in your lying propaganda can be denied. And we can plainly see how the careful alliances and border security that Trump set up are being clumsily destroyed by Biden and the Bolsheviks he leads. You are blind if you can't see the chaos being unleashed.

Trump "harnessing hatred and fear" is just another lying narrative. The truth is, with increasing intensity for the last 25 years, YOUR PARTY has manufactured hatred against any Republican who runs for the presidency, successful or not.
Whether a moderate big-state Republican like George W. Bush.
Or a completely flaccid and fellow-Republican-attacking "maverick" John McCain.
Or a milquetoast RINO like Mitt Romney who also has built his brand recently attacking Trump,.

EVERY ONE OF THESE GUYS your Democrat-Bolshevik party has slandered as a racist white supremacist warmonger when they made a bid for the presidency. So Trump is not more radical or right-wing. Trump actually offered a lot of generous deals to the Democrats to try and meet Dems in the middle.
But it was YOUR PARTY that stoked hatred and false narratives against Trump, that slapped away those compromises and demonized him. The Democrats would gladly burn this country to the ground, just to deprive Trump, or really any Republican, of a poltical win. And never more obviously than when they were shutting down states and destroying the lives of citizens over th last year during the Pandemic. Just to cripple the economy, just to defeat Trump, never mind how much suffering they caused.
The Democrats, the party that hates America.
They don't even try to hide it anymore.
The party of Marxism, of Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Ocasio-Cortez. Of Keith Ellison. Of Chinese collaborators like Reps. Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Of Sen Dianne Feinstein. And ultimately of Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, "China Joe", millions in kickbacks from Russia, China ad Ukraine. And even when exposed, none of these people are ever excluded from top secret information or high positions!

"Democrat" has become just a synonym for TREASON.

God help us all, with these lunatics in charge. I pray we can last until they can be voted out of office, and the damage undone.

Do you EVER have anything intelligent or meaningful to say?
Just the same empty insults. You're a 6-year-old.

Trump inherited Obama’s good economy where unemployment steadily dropped after the Great Recession. Trump had a gop that switched gears and allowed deficit spending. That helped drop unemployment even further for a little while. Polish that turd all you want but he left the country in worse shape than before his term started.

Trump inherited Obama's floundering economy, where Obama never achieved 2% growth in his entire 8 years, the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Obama did absolutely nothing to encourage economic growth, and when it went down and down for 3 years and went about as low as it could go, much of Obama's "growth" was just recovering the jobs that had been lost in his first term.
If you measure only the cherry-picked period of Obama's second term, you can lyingly say "Obama created millions of jobs", but that doesn't take into account how many millions of jobs had to be created just to get back to zero. If you take into account Obama's entire 8 years (rather than the cherry-picked 2nd term where there was actual recovery) Obama's "job creation" is much less impressive. Obama and his staff called this "the new normal" (less than 2% annual growth) and the best that could be hoped for.

In contrast, Trump lowered taxes, incentivized a return of factories and investment and job creation to the U.S., castrated Obamacare that had previously cost millions of jobs, and created almost 4% jobs growth HIS FIRST YEAR. A level of annual growth Obama's economic team considered impossible. But Trump made it happen, a level of growth TWICE what Obama and his economic team could even possibly imagine.

Tell me some more lies about how Trump "inherited" a great economy from Obama.
No, Trump didn't inherit a great economy, he doubled it to twice what Obama could even imagine on his best day. From what Obama's policies had stalled it to a low fraction of what was economically possible.

Three of the biggest trade deficits, huge increase in deficit spending, life expectancy dropped by a year for Americans. No I won’t tell you lies. I’ll just keep repeating Trump’s stats for his one term where he wasn’t even picked by most voters. Most of Obama’s 8 years was part of this country’s largest periods of economic expansion btw. It’s just a fact the country was in worse shape after 4 years of trump.

Obama's annual deficts were each over a trillion a year.

As I've said before, much of Trump's annual deficits were a result of the Democrat controlled House (Nancy Pelosi) extorting huge new concessions in spending
from Trump as a condition of their passing a budget. As I cited before, Trump wanted $700 billion to rebuild the military Obama had destroyed, where 50% of our aircraft were not combat-ready. To get that 700 billion, Democrats extorted another 900 billion in domestic spending and wet-dream Democrat social spending, bringing the total deficit for that to 1.6 trillion in new spending. And then they blame Trump for huge new deficits!

Your party are such fucking liars.

Partisan loser whining that helped Trump create even bigger debt.

We go through this every time a republican replaces a democrat in the WH now. The democrat leaves things better than it all goes to shit under the republican. Hopefully Biden stops the cycle. He’s more popular than trump ever was btw .

No, just the facts, that you seem unable to comprehend.




God, are you delusional.

Last time I checked my math, less than 2% annual growth under Obama for 8 years (the weakest economic recovery since World War II) is a lot less than 4% annual growth under Trump.
By every economic measure, Trump oversaw the strongest performing economy in over 50 years.

The military was destroyed under Obama, quantifiably, with 50% of aircraft not combat-ready, and a lot of accidents that resulted in military deaths because of the decline in training preparedness in the Obama years.
Trump not only restored the military, but used them to completely destroy ISIS in Iraq/Syria in his first year. Something neither Obama or W. Bush was able to do in 8 years. I'm sorry these quantifiable facts confuse you.

Trump’s claim that he’s done more ‘by far’ than Obama

This has a map showing how much territory Isis had already lost before Trump became President. Like with the economy he just lies about everything. You gushed and helped prop up a liar that made Putin smile.

I don't see that you'e lucidly proven anything. You just say "Trump is a liar." AGAIN.

I'm not interested in your twisted narrative, linked from a Democrat-partisan spin site, that says water isn't actually wet.
It was well reported, even by mainstream liberal sources (which I linked in our previous discussions) while Trump was winning the war against ISIS, that it was in fact Trump's policies that allowed U.S. military forces to take the gloves off and actually fight and win a war that Obama had restrained our military from being able to win. Where for example when fired upon, U.S. troops had to radio superior officers and get permission to return fire, and by the time they did, the snipers had fled. Or allowed ISIS to successfully kill U.S. soldiers.

Trump’s claim that he’s done more than Obama

Sorry the previous link was about Stone admitting his ties to the Proud Boys are more extensive than previously admitted. This link has the map showing how much territory was already won back before Trump’s first day in the WH. I know it doesn’t make any difference to you WB but the truth does to me.

To me that's a distinction without a difference.

The fact is, it was under Trump that ISIS was defeated, and it was specifically because Trump changed the policy and allowed our military to fight without the restrictive rules created by the Obama administration, that our military was freed from. I never made a point about what percentage of Iraq/Syria was freed from ISIS control under either Obama or Trump, that is a strawman point you injected after-the-fact to deflect from the ONLY point that matters: Trump lifted arbitrary rules off of our military, that allowed them to defeat ISIS. You are creating a side argument never raised to deflect from that.



A sampling of the conversation we had aboiut ISIS under Obama in 2014-2015:

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1213815

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And in particular this prior topic, where I linked an article disputing the lying narrative you currently allege, that somehow in a narrowed context, Trump didn't actually defeat ISIS:

https://www.rkmbs.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1225824

I cited a source that shows how much territory Issis had already lost by the time Trump came into office. Trump was just flat out lying. It’s what he does.

You didn't cite shit. Smoke and mirrors.

As I linked above, in a National Review article, they said it was clearly Trump's ceasing to use restrictive rules of engagement that unleashed our military and allowed them to defeat ISIS in Iraq/Syria.
A victory that Biden and his administration of leftist incompetents will probably hose away, and enable a resurgence of ISIS, perhaps within our own country, with the thousands coming across our border daily, completely unscreened.

What Biden is doing now in Afghanistan is a replay of what Obama did in Iraq in Dec 2011, that gave birth to ISIS in the first place. Everyone who was allied with the U.S. remaining there will be slaughtered a year from now. Biden is handing this territory over to the Taliban, Al Qaida and China, with whipped cream and a cherry on top.

Actually I did while you cited a clearly partisan source. I will say the National Review article you cite is correct that a president gets political credit or blame for whatever happens during his term. So while the Iraqi troops were trained and already had won back a lot ground before Trump even officially became President, isis was defeated during his term. Trump is still lying by claiming it was all him though as my citation clearly shows. Isis was already being defeated and losing ground in Iraq before he came into office. The hard work of training those troops occurred under Obama and it was clearly working. Trump’s changes involved creating more civilians getting killed for the sake of speeding it up. I get that pleases the crowd that doesn’t mind waving an American Flag and than use it to beat our law enforcement but human life should have more value than that.

I don’t agree with a complete pull out either. It’s the same mistake Trump made pulling troops out of Iraq.

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With all due respect, I cited FACTS. The article you baselessly label as "partisan" cited facts: Trump eliminated the rules of engagement that was crippling our military's ability to win in Iraq. With restrictive rules of having to get permission of a superior officer to retaliate against ISIS fighters who shot at them, it constantly allowed SIS fighters to get away. Once the restraints were lifted (by Trump) the military had the ability to quickly respond, AND WIN.

As the late Charles Krauthammer said of Obama's policy with ISIS in Iraq/Syria: "The purpose of Obama's policy in Iraq is not to win, it's to lose slowly, and pass the decision of what to do on to the next president."

Fortunately, that next president was Trump. As an "inexperienced" president, Trump in his decisive leadership and relatively quick victory put to shame allegedly more "experienced" presidents G H W Bush, Clinton, W. Bush and Obama, *NONE* of whom were able to do what Trump did in less than 2 years.
I love how when a Democrat fails, it's always a Republican president's fault, and the Democrat "inherited" the problem. And when a Republican has policy that has a decisively good outcome, the liberal narrative is always that the Democrat predecessor actually is the one who made it happen, no matter how OBVIOUSLY the facts contradict that deceitful liberal narrative.

Trump defeated ISIS in Iraq specifically because he abandoned Obama's restraints on our military.

Trump DOUBLED the economy to twice its Obama-stated "new normal" of less than 2% annual growth for 8 years, specifically because he abandoned Obama's failed policy and advanced a pro-business, pro-growth, pro-foreign investment and low-tax incentive policy. And by doing so, Trump doubled the annual growth to twice what the Obama team could EVEN IMAGINE. In 2020 Obama scoffed at Trump's plans and said Trump "would have to wave a magic wand" to make that happen. And in just his first year in 2021, Trump did exactly that. It is absurd to say that Trump's growth was inherited from Obama, when Obama never even imagined 4% annual growth, and the surge of growth clearly happened as a direct result of Trump's economic policy changes.

Keep sucking that Trump cock, dude...

WB you don’t have to take my word on the National Review being partisan. They describe themselves as such. My citation points out what they left out of their article and Trump’s usual lie. Isis was losing ground before Trump took office. I even agreed with the basic “President’s get credit or blame for what happens during their time in office politically.” You can make up whatever you want though. After Jan 6 I don’t trust or expect trumpers to be honest or around an American flag.

You again prove you have nothing to offer in the way of information or dialogue. Just pure spite and pointless insults.

Frankly, if anything, the National Review since 2016 has been a collection of anti-Trumpers. Ostensibly, they offer a conservative opinion, but for the last 5 years, not a mainstream conservative opinion. But regardless, they certainly offer more journalistic ethics than the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, CNN or MSNBC. I'm not sure what your point is in bashing them, other than to slander any source that presents facts you don't like. On the specific issue of Trump overseeing a victory in Iraq that Obama could not, it is from a source clearly hostile to Trump's presidency, but EVEN THEY acknowledge and cite the facts regarding that victory, and Trump's change in policy that made it happen.

Something about casting something something pearls something something swine...

You again prove you have nothing to offer in the way of information or dialogue. Just pure spite and pointless insults.


And if one were so inclined, I'm sure an examination of your pants would find no pearls to clutch.
If one were so inclined.

At least, Pariah got a bad case of Q-philia and has seemingly gone into off-the-grid convalescence of his shattered Q-failed mind. You're just here with over a decade of so fucking crazy you can't even realize how absolutely in need of institutionalization you are. You spend way too much time on a pretty much dead forum type-screaming at someone who generally thinks your full of shit. I'm just here doing posterity a favor and recording that we did, indeed, try to point out to the angry old man that he was completely unhinged and yelling at interclouds. Why would I seriously engage with someone who continues to post at a place that reveals he has had zero growth as a human being for about two fucking decades?

You seem to think saying I'm crazy and other insults is the same thing as making a rational argument. It's not.

All you ever offer is insults. As contrasted with the sourced and linked facts I've cited.
There absolutely is a marxist/globalist attempt to crush our Constitutional republic from within. I've often quoted it from Marxists and globalists IN THEIR OWN written and videotaped words, repeatedly here.

There absolutely is an attempt to crush our Constitutional republic by other nations such as Russia, and even more so China, and Iran. I've quoted it in THEIR own words too.

There absolutely is a plot by the globalists and marxists in the U.S. to demographically crush our Constitutional republic with third-world immigration, particularly hispanic immigration, and there again I've quoted leftists and hispanics, piece-of-shit leftist college professors like yourself, and even Mexican officials (see quotes in Pat Buchanan's book STATE OF EMERGENCY on the immigration crisis, Mexican officials up to and including the then-Mexican president. )

There absolutely is a plot by the same Marxist and globalist groups, not just in the U.S., but worldwide, to abuse the current Covid-19 pandemic to culturally transform the United States and other nations, in the U.S. and in Europe, and particularly by China who has unquestionably orchestrated this into a global pandemic to expand their own hegemonic reach. Again, unquestionably, in their own words. They have bragged about it, all of them.



As for Pariah, a degree of the Qanon conspiracy was confirmed by the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, that involves the elite from nations and heads of state worldwide, and Epstein, Harvey Weinstein and other pedophiles certainly were large fundraisers and contributors to the Democrat party, welcome in high Democrat party circles long after Epstein and Weinstein, and others, were first exposed. I've never been a believer in Qanon, as my posts to Pariah's topics reflect. I think a lot of it was off-the-mark, but certainly, some of it was revealed as true. Quanon was as much if not more more about global elites trying to control us with the weaponization of government, of the intelligence community, and of Orwellian messaging, as it was about satanic pedophile networks.
And I wish there were high-level intelligence agents, as they boasted on Quanon, who were imminently going to unleash a backlash against those on the left who are using government agencies to launch an authoritarian takeover. But as the "woke" CIA recruitment ads unveiled over the last few days, as the use of NSA to investigate and purge Republican naval officers, as the use of the USPS has been revealed to likewise surveil and spy on Republicans as "potential terrorists" --all three revealed in the last week!-- there apparently is no conservative counter-force in the intelligence community unleashing a backlash, much as a few posters on Quanon would like us to believe.
If only.


I don't think Pariah crawled away in shame or has changed his beliefs, he's in the military and probably off-the-grid deployed somewhere.

And if you were honest, you'd admit that much of what the mainstream media and leftist/Democrat thought leaders have been telling us for the last 5 years has been proven false over and over again. There are people with Pulitzers who reported about Donald Trump and "Russia collusion" whose points were proven absolutely false, who undeservedly still have those awards. Multiple sources like CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, CBS, NBC, who have been proven in story after story to have gotten it wrong over and over, often deliberately, and yet they still are hailed as geniuses and towers of virtue.
Likewise Anthony Fauci and the CDC.
Likewise the incredible whoppers coming out daily from the Biden administration.

So spare me the lectures on "crazy". You are all-aboard on the crazy train. You've been riding the crazy train for 10 years, since the Occupy Wall Street movement began. And much of your bitterness toward me stems from the butthurt you received on these boards while that was going on. Everything I said about Soros-funded street agitators and Soros-funded NGO's , working in a pincer movement with Soros-funded elected Democrats (and a few Republicans like John McCain) to overthrow the U.S. government has come to fruition.

They have taken over the IRS, CIA, DHS, DOJ and FBI and other federal law enforcement and regulation agencies, been weaponized against the American people.

Then you have people like William Ayers who was an early mentor for Barack Obama's rise to power, along with tens of thousands of other leftists in education, who have weaponized education through piece-of-shit professors like you at universities nationwide, and in primary schools by the NEA and teachers, to indoctrinate an anti-American message. Now you also have Critical Race Theory, Sectionalization, and the "1619 Project", that further indoctrinate self-hatred in the next generation.

The leftist Cultural marxist coups I cite are plain and obvious at this point. While the empty platitudes you cited 10 years ago, reading meaning into the Occupy Wall Street movement that wasn't there, despite its obvious marxist/globalist/insurrectionist ACTUAL message and funding that you chose to ignore.
But it was there, all along.
As was the unprecedented new media bias with Occupy Wall Street, zealous activist reporters that shaped the news, rather than simply objectively reporting it, AN INDOCTRINATED MESSAGE THAT YOU BOUGHT INTO !

And here we are, you're still as bitter and indoctrinated as ever. And again, I cite facts, while all you have is insults.
But according to you, I'm the crazy one.

I actually ran Pariah off the site.

When I called him out on his "TExAS JUSt DroppED a NUKe" nonsense, he disappeared real fast.

WB all those agencies are a mix of people with different political affiliations and biases. What scared me with Trump is he was trying his hardest to make them all just loyal to him. It’s not about the country with him, that’s why Cheney is probably a goner. Anyone not willing to run with his lies is un-loyal. The republicans that are trying to have it both ways are also probably screwed as Trump will only want Gaetz’s and Greene types. That is your party’s future right now.

So... you have no facts to present, and you have to make up fake quotes to try and front your lies about me.

You really are a spiteful and petty schmuck, Iggy.

You're the one twenty years and a dead forum deep in being an unreflective, unaware, and regressive fucktard, dude...