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There I said it......I thought this theory was a bunch of horseshit the first time I heard it........but now I'm not so sure. ![[izzat so?]](graemlins/zatso.gif)
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I killed Jason Todd...it's true...
I was one of the few thousand who actually called in and one of the ones who voted death...
I still don't regret it...
I still think there's something weird going on..In fact I still think two-face is hush.
How many of Batman's friends/family/enemies have died and would need to use a Lazarus Pit???
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I don't think it's Jason Todd. Re-read The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. The characters have symbolic roles which (after reading Loeb's prior Batman stories) are apparent in Hush. Long story short, he tends to utilize overlooked characters with a great deal of power (legally acquired or otherwise). That's why I suspected Talia, briefly.
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I guess there could possibly be one benefit if it turned out to be Jason - we might get to see the loser die again. No reason the younger generation of readers doesn't deserve the same thrill we got. I vote for the title "To Die, and Die Again".
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Originally posted by Wingnut-EL:
I guess there could possibly be one benefit if it turned out to be Jason - we might get to see the loser die again. No reason the younger generation of readers doesn't deserve the same thrill we got. I vote for the title "To Die, and Die Again".
i can promise you if jason comes back he wont die again, u can take that to the bank, i will bet all of bruce waynes money on that ![[biiiig grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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I know Jason. I'm mostly just razzin' you (mostly, not completely).
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Could Two-Face have used a pit to regenerate his scarred face??
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Ra's said to Bats......"Ask Yourself Detective.........Who In Your Life Would Wish To Come Back From The Dead?" Those were his last words to Bruce in the latest issue #616. So with that reasoning how many dead people close to Bruce want to come back and know him so well......only one Jason Todd.
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quote:
Originally posted by whomod:
Could Two-Face have used a pit to regenerate his scarred face??
Yes he could have and may have......but it was hinted that he had lots of plastic surgery.
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Originally posted by Dave:
How about Hugo Strange?
Probably not just because of the Ra's quote......but you never know the quote may be a red herring.
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Originally posted by Pig Iron:
I killed Jason Todd...it's true...
I was one of the few thousand who actually called in and one of the ones who voted death...
I still don't regret it...
Neither do I.
The way I saw it, DC gave me a choice: Accept the character as he was, or get rid of him. Had they polled to see whether or not Todd needed a personality overhaul, things would have been different.
Of course, I *was* pretty young at the time.
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Originally posted by PJP:
Ra's said to Bats......"Ask Yourself Detective.........Who In Your Life Would Wish To Come Back From The Dead?"
With my luck, it'll be the woman offed in Bruce Wayne: Murderer.
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Originally posted by PJP:
Ra's said to Bats......"Ask Yourself Detective.........Who In Your Life Would Wish To Come Back From The Dead?"
With my luck, it'll be the woman offed in Bruce Wayne: Murderer.
That would be pretty creepy......Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned. ![[mwah hwah haa]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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I didn't know this. So the list of candidates are:
1. Jason Todd
2. Thomas and Martha Wayne
3. murdered woman in Bruce Wayne: Murderer
4. the woman who was the Reaper? Was she killed or am I getting muddled?
5. Earth 2 Batman. Heh. Just joking.
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Originally posted by PJP:
Ra's said to Bats......"Ask Yourself Detective.........Who In Your Life Would Wish To Come Back From The Dead?"
Who the hell wouldn't want to come back from the dead?
Anyways I always thought Hush had to be someone who knew his secret ID. So that would only leave a couple of people. Off hand I could think-
Jason Todd-Back from the dead
Talia-Not dead Ra's clue implied they would be
Ra's-We know it's not him now
Bane-Not dead
His Parents-
His Ex-girlfriend Who was murdered-Could be brought back but I don't think she really knew who he was.
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Is Silver St Cloud still alive..I've lost track of my Bat history..???
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I don't know much about Batman either. I haven't read his book for a while but I have been following most of the rumors on Hush.
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Is Silver St Cloud still alive..I've lost track of my Bat history..???
As far as I know, yep. She just left him.
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Yeah she's still alive.
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"Who in your life would wish to come back from the dead?"
Think about this quote. A dead person can not readily "wish" to be brought back. But a person who knew they were going to die could.
Just food for thought.
(and I am not saying this idea makes me happy, because the implications = something that truly does not sit well with me.)
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How many issues of this storyline were there supposed to be? 12, wasn't it? it started in 608, now its on 616. So isn't there just 3 more to go? With the huge finale this arc seems to be going towards, I doubt Loeb is gonna wait until the last issue to reveal who Hush is. So I say its Dent.
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i want to come back, i have been dead long enough, its very liberating....but i want to come back
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*sigh* Better start looking for my crowbar..looks like someone can't take a hint...
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How many issues of this storyline were there supposed to be? 12, wasn't it? it started in 608, now its on 616. So isn't there just 3 more to go...
How'd you get 3?
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Or maybe it is Tommy Elliot. After all, Ra's did say, "Who in your life would wish to come back from the dead?". Maybe Tommy had Two-Face get in touch with the Joker to be at just the right spot to make it look like Joker did it, and also had him call Jim Gordon to stop Batman from killing Joker. Between his death and burial Elliot had made plans to be taken to a Lazarus Pit. In the meantime, Batman is looking for Elliots killer and is too busy to pay attention to whatever it is that Hush is doing. I think it might have to do with that RC-60 defoliate or the Lamont Chemical factory mentioned in #608
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I do think the bandaged guy we've seen is Dent, but he's not Hush. A couple more Hints that Elliot is Hush:
In #609, as Huntress and the Batmobile are racing off, Dent is watching from the rooftops and says "Without friends no one would choose to live. Though he had all other goods." Same Issue is a flashback where Tommy and Bruce are kids playing a war game, and Tommy is whoopin' Bruce because he is able to think far ahead of Bruce.
In #611, Thomas says, "There is something you could do for me, However..." Thomas then tells Bruce he wants to play a game of war, and he wants Bruce to actually show up for a check-up. When Bruce points out that's two things, Thomas reply's, "It is, isn't it?"
In #612, after Batman and Superman get Ivy, they're talking on a roof top. Batman says, "what are...friends for...?" the next panel you see Dent watching them through binoculars,repeating what Batman just said and laughing.
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fuck it, I AM CUMING BACK
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quote:
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"Who in your life would wish to come back from the dead?"
Think about this quote. A dead person can not readily "wish" to be brought back. But a person who knew they were going to die could.
Just food for thought.
(and I am not saying this idea makes me happy, because the implications = something that truly does not sit well with me.)
Who do you think it is?
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Jason Todd sucks and he stole my Avatar...
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I just smelled this rat last issue… Think about this. Who in the DCU has the money, the sophistication, and the political power to not only compete with Batman/Bruce Wayne but to know his secret identity? Two Words... S P O I L E R S P A C E Lex Luthor... This whole thing will be played into and used to promote the upcoming Superman/Batman book. Batman and Superman bring down Luthor and his Presidency in that book and I think HUSH (Lex) just made it personal for Batman. But of course it could be Jason Todd... (But its not ![[wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) )
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I'm still willing to believe that Tommy Eliot is pulling the strings and masterminding this whole affair. It's wholly possible that he fixed Two-Face up with a plastic surgeon (him being a doctor himself) and then had him contact all of Batman's rogues gallery to pull them into the ultimate caper. He stages and carries out his own death and uses the Lazarus Pit to resurrect himself, enabling him to be alive for the 'grand finale'.
Seriously, I can't shake it. He and Bruce are just too similar for it all to just be coincidence...
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I'm still willing to believe that Tommy Eliot is pulling the strings and masterminding this whole affair. It's wholly possible that he fixed Two-Face up with a plastic surgeon (him being a doctor himself) and then had him contact all of Batman's rogues gallery to pull them into the ultimate caper. He stages and carries out his own death and uses the Lazarus Pit to resurrect himself, enabling him to be alive for the 'grand finale'.
Seriously, I can't shake it. He and Bruce are just too similar for it all to just be coincidence...
Yeah definitely a great theory.....so what was his motivation......Does he blame Bruce for the Death of his Father?
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It's Two-Face..uhh, Two-Face.
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Yeah definitely a great theory.....so what was his motivation......Does he blame Bruce for the Death of his Father?
They keep mentioning 'games' throughout the story. My guess is that this is another game for Tommy, like the ones he and Bruce played as children. Strategy games. Tommy was always better at them, remember. Pointing blame for death may be a good motivator, but I think that, for Tommy, this is all just another opportunity to show up his friend.
Could be wrong, though...
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Yeah definitely a great theory.....so what was his motivation......Does he blame Bruce for the Death of his Father?
They keep mentioning 'games' throughout the story. My guess is that this is another game for Tommy, like the ones he and Bruce played as children. Strategy games. Tommy was always better at them, remember. Pointing blame for death may be a good motivator, but I think that, for Tommy, this is all just another opportunity to show up his friend.
Could be wrong, though...
Sounds Good.....I'm willing to buy that. I'm getting anxious for the end now.
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