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It was 26 years ago today:

1980: John Lennon shot dead
Former Beatle John Lennon has been shot dead by an unknown gunman who opened fire outside the musician's New York apartment.
The 40-year-old was shot several times as he entered the Dakota, his luxury apartment building on Manhattan's Upper West Side, opposite Central Park, at 2300 local time.

He was rushed in a police car to St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital Center, where he died.

His wife, Yoko Ono, who is understood to have witnessed the attack, was with him.

Shots heard

A police spokesman said a suspect was in custody, but he had no other details of the shooting.

"This was no robbery," the spokesman said, adding that Mr Lennon was probably shot by a "deranged" person.

Witness reports say at least three shots were fired and others have claimed they heard six.

There are also reports Mr Lennon staggered up six steps into the vestibule after he was shot, before collapsing.

Jack Douglas, Lennon's producer, said he and the Lennons had been at a studio called the Record Plant in mid-town earlier in the evening and Lennon left at 2230.

Mr Lennon said he planned to have some dinner and then return home, Mr Douglas said.

Fans at scene

The Lennons are said to have left their limousine on the street and walked up the driveway when the gunman opened fire.

It is unclear whether the man had been lying in wait in the entrance to the building for Mr Lennon, or whether he came up behind him.

Witnesses describe the gunman as a "pudgy kind of man", 35 to 40 years old with brown hair.

Other former band members, Paul McCartney, guitarist George Harrison and drummer Ringo Starr are thought to have been informed of Lennon's murder.

Fans have already begun arriving at the scene, many still unaware Lennon has died.

Mr Lennon is survived by his wife, their son Sean, and his son from a previous marriage, Julian.


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I remember that day well. I was 23. It was the next day, Tuesday, December 9 when I heard the bad news.. I had gone to bed early for a change, and so did not watch the 11:00 news.

I got my paper the next day, and there it was on the front page.

I was in shock. The Beatles have been my favorite group, ever since I had seen them on Ed Sullivan, in February, 1964.

John had always been my favorite Beatle. He had the best voice in the band, IMO.

Hard to believe that this much time has passed already!


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I didn't give a shit.......'course I was only 9.


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I actually got together with some friends today for a road trip and we listened to lots of Beatles and it somehow was missed that today was the anniversary of his death.

Such a shame what one disturbed loser can do.


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It's sad, really. They missed Yoko entirely. I think that's who they were aiming for - anyone with any sense woulda capped her long before that.


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Quote:

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It's sad, really. They missed Yoko entirely. I think that's who they were aiming for - anyone with any sense woulda capped her long before that.





Ono's Driver Held on Extortion Suspicion
By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer
4 hours ago

NEW YORK - A chauffeur for Yoko Ono has been arrested for trying to extort $2 million from her by threatening to circulate embarrassing photos, and he also spoke of killing her and son Sean Lennon, police said.

Koral Karsan was arrested Wednesday after Ono reported the plot, New York police spokesman Paul Browne said. Charges were pending.

There was no immediate response to a telephone message left at Karsan's home in Amityville, N.Y., and it was unclear whether he had a lawyer.

The security staff for Ono, John Lennon's widow, told detectives that Karsan told her in a rambling note that he had secretly photographed her and made audiotapes of her in private moments and warned he would make the material public if she didn't pay him, police said.

On Dec. 8, the 26th anniversary of Lennon's killing, Karsan dropped off the note and a photo of Ono in nightclothes at the Dakota apartment building, where the former Beatle once lived with her and where she still resides, police said.

Karsan, 50, talked about killing her, her son and himself during a later conversation with one of her associates that was recorded by investigators, police said.

On the night of Dec. 8, 1980, Lennon was returning with Ono to the Dakota from a recording studio when Mark David Chapman opened fire with a .38-caliber revolver, hitting him four times.


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New York Post:

  • John Lennon didn't give peace a chance at home - where he callously abused and routinely tormented the women closest to him.

    The music legend was prone to unprovoked acts of cruelty, jealous rage and perverse sexual fantasies, according to the explosive new tell-all "John Lennon: The Life" by Beatles biographer Philip Norman.

    The fans who flocked to Strawberry Fields in Central Park yesterday to celebrate what would have been Lennon's 68th birthday might want to stay away from the exposé, which chronicles his callous treatment of Yoko, the physical and verbal abuse of his two sons, and his chronic infidelities.

    When they first began dating, Lennon forced Yoko to write down a list of men she'd slept with so he could pore over the names, treating each like a "mortal enemy."

    He also admitted to Yoko that he regretted never bedding his mother, Julia, who was struck and killed by a speeding off-duty cop's car when John was 17.

    He also showed his venomous side to his children.

    Julian, Lennon's son with Cynthia, was all but ignored by the absentee musician, who would go for years without seeing him. In the rare moments he shared with his son, Lennon could be abusive.

    One friend recalls Lennon yelling, "No, I'm not going to mend your f---ing bicycle," to his young son.


Well, at least we now know what "Mother" was really about.

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You fucking cunt G-Man, I thought for a second Beardgay had returned from the dead.
Thank fuck its just you bringing back an old topic.

Dont do that again!

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An unauthorized biography says something outrageous and controversial about its subject?! Wh-What?!


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I have an unauthorized biography of Snarf. It contains a single page that says "Snarf went to bed with many beautiful women."

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 Originally Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk
An unauthorized biography ....


I'd think the big story would be if it were authorized, you know, what with the subject being dead nearly thirty years and all...

However, it should probably be noted that the book was, in fact, written with Yoko Ono's cooperation: "Ono.... contributed extensively and even convinced son Sean Lennon to speak to [the author]."

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
New York Post:

  • John Lennon didn't give peace a chance at home - where he callously abused and routinely tormented the women closest to him.

    The music legend was prone to unprovoked acts of cruelty, jealous rage and perverse sexual fantasies, according to the explosive new tell-all "John Lennon: The Life" by Beatles biographer Philip Norman.

    The fans who flocked to Strawberry Fields in Central Park yesterday to celebrate what would have been Lennon's 68th birthday might want to stay away from the exposé, which chronicles his callous treatment of Yoko, the physical and verbal abuse of his two sons, and his chronic infidelities.

    When they first began dating, Lennon forced Yoko to write down a list of men she'd slept with so he could pore over the names, treating each like a "mortal enemy."

    He also admitted to Yoko that he regretted never bedding his mother, Julia, who was struck and killed by a speeding off-duty cop's car when John was 17.

    He also showed his venomous side to his children.

    Julian, Lennon's son with Cynthia, was all but ignored by the absentee musician, who would go for years without seeing him. In the rare moments he shared with his son, Lennon could be abusive.

    One friend recalls Lennon yelling, "No, I'm not going to mend your f---ing bicycle," to his young son.


Well, at least we now know what "Mother" was really about.
Paul was always more of a father to Julian than John. Julian will be the first to say that. Paul wrote Hey Jude for Julian.

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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
However, it should probably be noted that the book was, in fact, written with Yoko Ono's cooperation: "Ono.... contributed extensively and even convinced son Sean Lennon to speak to [the author]."



Suddenly you're believing Yoko Ono? The woman(?) who every three months comes up with some frivolous Lennon-related lawsuit as her only way to stay relevant? (like the time she sued Paul for claiming he authored Yesterday)

Not that she even supports the book, but I'm guessing there's no need to clarify that you left out the part of the quote that mentions that.


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You said the book was "unauthorized" in order to advance in argument that it was inaccurate. I simply pointed out that, far from being completely "unauthorized," his widow and son cooperated in the writing of the book.

A lot of talented people were/are bastards in real life: Miles Davis, Warren Zevon, Frank Sinatra spring immediately. Why do you need to cling to the fiction they weren't in order to enjoy their music?

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The fact that they were interviewed doesn't mean they approve the biography, or that their testimonials were accurately represented in the book. That's kind of a silly argument, G.

I don't think Lennon was a perfect guy, but it's pretty obvious that all these controversial biographies that have been popping up in the past decade are mostly full of shit. Here's a guy who's respected by millions of people around the world, possibly more than the Pope... anything bad you say about his is gonna get a lot of attention. It's easy to throw shit at his image and collect the money. These guys are just as opportunistic as Yoko.


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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
New York Post:

  • John Lennon didn't give peace a chance at home - where he callously abused and routinely tormented the women closest to him.

    The music legend was prone to unprovoked acts of cruelty, jealous rage and perverse sexual fantasies, according to the explosive new tell-all "John Lennon: The Life" by Beatles biographer Philip Norman.

    The fans who flocked to Strawberry Fields in Central Park yesterday to celebrate what would have been Lennon's 68th birthday might want to stay away from the exposé, which chronicles his callous treatment of Yoko, the physical and verbal abuse of his two sons, and his chronic infidelities.

    When they first began dating, Lennon forced Yoko to write down a list of men she'd slept with so he could pore over the names, treating each like a "mortal enemy."

    He also admitted to Yoko that he regretted never bedding his mother, Julia, who was struck and killed by a speeding off-duty cop's car when John was 17.

    He also showed his venomous side to his children.

    Julian, Lennon's son with Cynthia, was all but ignored by the absentee musician, who would go for years without seeing him. In the rare moments he shared with his son, Lennon could be abusive.

    One friend recalls Lennon yelling, "No, I'm not going to mend your f---ing bicycle," to his young son.


Well, at least we now know what "Mother" was really about.

G-man hates peace and love.

lennon has talked about his own flaws before, he was pretty open. a lot of the stuff mentioned in your article sounds a lot like the bizarre rightwing attack jobs thrown out at any celebrity who gains political momentum, oddly even those dead 28 years.
a little sad really.


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Yeah, there's nothing bad you can say about Lennon that he didn't talk about himself in his Plastic Ono Band album. Fuck, he mentions his biggest flaw in the title!


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I was almost hit by a runaway bus one time, but John Lennon pushed me out of the way.

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 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man

lennon has talked about his own flaws before, he was pretty open.


Yes, he loved talking about himself.


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 Originally Posted By: Im Not Mister Mxyzptlk
Here's a guy who's respected by millions of people around the world....


You're right, Mxy.

The mere fact a celebrity is loved by millions of people around the world means that the celebrity is above reproach:



And, of course, such a celebrity could never have "mother issues":


Or twisted attitudes about sex:


What was I thinking? John Lennon was obviously the closest thing the world ever saw to a perfect human being. Maybe, when he rises from the grave as befitting his holy power, he can actually BE the Pope.


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Oh G-man, you are so foolish.
How easy it is for people to speak ill of the dead with them no longer around to defend themselves.

I might one day feel the need to tell the story of how Johnny Cash once decided to have sexual intercourse with a three year old boy.

Or that Warren Zevon had a penchant for looking at naked photographs of a young Shirley Temple.

Please try to remember that Heather Mills tried to tell the world that Sir Paul McCartney liked to beat upon her, but she forgot to wait until he was dead, so he was able to refute such claims.
John Lennon cannot do this.


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