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#1224472 - Wed Nov 08 2017 12:06 PM NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump
Wonder Boy
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Yes, Democrats won the VA and NJ governor races. And after FOUR congressional special elections since Nov 2016, where ALL went for Trump republicans and the media barely reported it, they're going orgasmic that Demcorats won the governor race in these two states, and that this is a bellweather or a wave for 2018.

LESSONS LEARNED FROM VIRGINIA AND NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR RACES

Except that doesn't quite ring true either, because governor candidate Gillespie is an establishment Republican who distanced himself from Trump, until it was obvious Gillespie was going to lose, and only a few days before the election sought endorsement and campaign assisitance from Trump.

So these elections should be seen as not a rejection of Trump, but as rejection of the establishment Republicans who obstruct Trump.

But regardless, Washington Democrats and the liberal media are jizzing all over themselves.

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#1224473 - Wed Nov 08 2017 12:12 PM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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The results are in and New Jersey and Virginia have elected new Democratic governors.

In New Jersey, former Goldman Sachs executive and Ambassador to Germany Phil Murphy expectedly defeated Lt. Governor Kim Guadagno by a margin of 13 points, and in Virginia, Lieutenant Governor Ralph Northam defeated former Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie by a 9-point margin

Surely, New Jersey’s swing to a Democratic governor is a product of an unpopular outgoing Republican governor, Chris Christie, and President Trump’s unpopularity in the state as well.

Further, outgoing Republican Governor Christie has the dubious status as New Jersey’s least popular governor in recorded history, reaching all-time low approval ratings of 15 percent.


This has greatly impacted Guadagno’s support in the campaign, as a recent Monmouth poll found that Guadagno’s association with Christie made 29 percent of voters less likely to vote for her, almost double the 16 percent who said her association made them more likely to vote for her.

To be clear, Murphy’s win will be an important pick up for the Democratic Party, but a win in what can be described as the Democrats’ backyard is not a major development in the national landscape.



In Virginia, the race between Northam and Gillespie proved to be both close and contentious, and will be the 2017 gubernatorial contest that is more thoroughly scrutinized by analysts in both parties as the 2018 midterm elections approach.

In the now seemingly reliable blue state, the Real Clear Average in the days leading up to Election Day indicated that Northam held a more than 3-point advantage over Gillespie, which Northam seemingly more than doubled in the final tallies.

As the initial exit polls indicate, minorities turned out at higher than anticipated rates, coming out in support of Northam and, to the extent President Trump was a factor in the election, he was a major negative to Gillespie’s candidacy.

Further, Northam margined to limit his losses throughout the reliably red counties throughout Southern and Western Virginia.

Most encouragingly, Northam campaigned on a moderate platform and offered the type of alternative agenda that the Democratic party must advance in order to succeed in 2018 and beyond.

To be sure, this victory alone does not change the disorder that was made abundantly clear in Donna Brazile’s recent revelations about the relationship between the DNC and Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Throughout the course of the Virginia campaign, Northam was never beholden to the Democratic party’s loudest, most liberal voices, as evidenced by his shift on sanctuary cities just last week. In fact, he defeated the progressive base’s preferred choice in the June primary.

Northam put forward a well-structured economic plan, involving job training and re-training, as well as advancing the Democratic party’s tradition values in the areas of women’s issues and gun violence prevention.

In terms of Gillespie’s campaign, the injection of nationalist sentiment and features of a culture war contributed to the negative nature of the campaign.

The role of the Trump administration with the Gillespie campaign was a tenuous one, despite Gillespie at times trying to distance himself from the president, even though many of the president’s policies and law-and-order rhetoric are in line with his own.

After all, Gillespie did indeed receive a public endorsement from Vice President Mike Pence and consistent support via Twitter from President Trump.

The president’s role in campaigns will clearly continue to be a critical issue as we approach the 2018 midterm elections.

For the Democrats in particular, it is now time to embrace alternatives and centrism in the style of Ralph Northam. Otherwise, the party will struggle to build on these first steps toward regaining power.

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Douglas E. Schoen is a Fox News contributor. He has more than 30 years experience as a pollster and political consultant. His new book is "Putin's Master Plan". Follow him on Twitter @DouglasESchoen.

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#1224474 - Wed Nov 08 2017 12:19 PM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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In other words, if Democrats are to win in the 2018 elections and beyond, they need to lie and pretend to be moderate and centrist, to fool the public into electing them.

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#1224476 - Wed Nov 08 2017 12:34 PM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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And from DNC-NN:

DEMOCRATS SWEEP IN VIRGINIA AND NEW JERSEY




Orgasmic!


At least they acknowledged (only because President Trump drew attention to it on Twitter) that Republicans decisively won four previous Congressional elections over the last year.

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#1224477 - Thu Nov 09 2017 07:28 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Were those 4 in republican territory? And wasn't there one Dems won in California. Do you see where you are the one doing the spinning?

Fair play!

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#1224478 - Sun Nov 12 2017 09:47 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Democrats and the Democrat-leaning liberal media are spinning this as a "wave" or "bellweather" for 2018. Whereas in truth, these were states that Frau Hitlery carried in Nov 2012. And even when they were Hillary/Democrat territory from the outset, the victories were not that overwhelming. If Gillespie had manifested support of Trump from the outset, he would have narrowly won, even in his predisposed Democrat territory, instead of narrowly losing.

These were liberal regions, not a manifestation of how the entire nation feels about Trump. In these regions, you could pretty much have Satan in the Flesh (D-NJ, D-VA) running for governor, and they would win. But even in these Democrat strongholds, support of Trump would have given them a chance of winning.

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#1224479 - Sun Nov 12 2017 10:11 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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bs I've read the reporting. While these were definetly friendly states to Dems the bad news for Trump/GOP is the drop off in support he had in rural and suburban areas. Satan btw is running in Alabama, lol.

Fair play!

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#1224480 - Mon Nov 13 2017 12:08 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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In the worst scenario if all is true, Roy Moore allegedly kissed a 14 year old girl about 38 years ago when he was in his 30's. Allegedly kissed one girl, maybe flirted with a few other girls. No allegations of actual sex. And the context of that is impossible to establish, and highly suspect to have surfaced this late in the election, especially after Roy Moore has already held so many political positions, for decades.

Both Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis married girls that age and had long careers after. It was a different time. Worst case scenario. And more likely, it's just a smear job by the Democrats and DNC/PR-wing media. And this allegation doesn't even say that he had sex with the 14 year old girl back then. If the same were said about any Democrat, the media would give it a complete free pass.


  • from Do Racists have lower IQ's...

    Liberals who bemoan discrimination, intolerance, restraint of Constitutional freedoms, and promotion of hatred toward various abberant minorities, have absolutely no problem with discriminating against, being intolerant of, restricting Constitutional freedoms of, and directing hate-filled scapegoat rhetoric against conservatives.

    EXACTLY what they accuse Republicans/conservatives of doing, is EXACTLY what liberals/Democrats do themselves, to those who oppose their beliefs.

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#1224481 - Mon Nov 13 2017 12:11 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Meanwhile, there's Bill Clinton who actually assaulted/raped several women, and went on a trip to pedophile island, along with New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez, who was accused of sex with under-age prostitutes and is currently on trial for corruption charges, getting medical fraud charges removed for his close friend and large political donor.

[Crickets from the media. ]

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#1224482 - Mon Nov 13 2017 12:18 AM Re: NJ and VA elections: Democrats FINALLY get elections they can spin as voters' rejection of PresTrump [Re: Wonder Boy]
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MENENDEZ, 2015 INDICTMENT ON FEDERAL CORRUPTION CHARGES


In 2013, reports surfaced that a federal grand jury in Miami was investigating Menendez regarding his role in advocating for the business interests of Florida ophthalmologist Salomon Melgen, one of his close friends and major donors.[137][138] On April 1, 2015, the United States Department of Justice indicted both Menendez and Melgen, charging Menendez with—among other crimes—bribery, fraud, and making false statements.[139] According to the indictment Menendez asked top State Department officials to pressure the Dominican Republic’s government into enforcing a port-security contract that would benefit Melgen’s company while at the same time Melgen was promising to give $60,000 to Menendez’s political campaign.[140] Prosecutors also charged that Menendez acted as Melgen's "personal senator," helping obtain visas for several of Melgen's girlfriends.[141][142]

In return, Melendez is accused of accepting a range of perks from Melgen, including trips on Melgen's private jet, three nights at a five-star Paris hotel, a round of golf at a private club in West Palm Beach and access to an exclusive Dominican resort - some of which Menendez allegedly didn't report on financial disclosure forms.[139] Melgen also donated a substantial amount of money to benefit Menendez's political campaigns, and prosecutors claim that $750,000 of those contributions were tied to personal benefits Menendez accepted.[143][144]

Menendez voluntarily stepped down as ranking member of the Foreign Relations Committee after his indictment.[145] Menendez's trial began on September 6, 2017, before Judge William H. Walls of the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey

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