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#1225007 - Fri Feb 02 2018 05:20 PM The disappointing "Memo" released today
Wonder Boy
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HOUSE MEMO STATES DISPUTED DOSSIER WAS KEY TO FBI's FISA WARRANT

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A much-hyped memo that shows alleged government surveillance abuse during the 2016 campaign has been released to the public and cites testimony from a high-ranking government official who says the FBI and DOJ would not have sought surveillance warrants to spy on a member of the Trump team without the infamous, Democrat-funded anti-Trump dossier.

Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee released the memo Friday. The White House responded by saying the memo “raises serious concerns about the integrity of decisions made at the highest levels of the Department of Justice and the FBI to use the government’s most intrusive surveillance tools against American citizens.”

The dossier, authored by former British spy Christopher Steele and commissioned by Fusion GPS, was paid for by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign through law firm Perkins Coie. It included salacious and unverified allegations about Trump's connections to Russia.

The memo, which has been at the center of an intense power struggle between congressional Republicans and the FBI, specifically cites the DOJ and FBI’s surveillance of Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, saying the dossier "formed an essential part" of the application to spy on him.


Republicans have charged that the FBI used the dubious dossier, prepared as campaign opposition research for Clinton’s presidential bid, to get permission from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, court to eavesdrop on Trump campaign and transition team communications.

The memo states that in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”


The memo also says Steele was eventually cut off from the FBI for being chatty with the media. It says he was terminated in October 2016 as an FBI source “for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations—an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.”

But even after his termination, Steele remained in close contact with then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr. Ohr’s wife, Nellie, began working for Fusion GPS, the firm behind the dossier, as early as May 2016.

According to the memo, Steele told Ohr that he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” But it says the FISA application process “ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations."

“This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files – but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications,” the memo reads.

It also claims the FBI and DOJ used media reporting to lend credibility to the dossier. Fusion GPS, it says, briefed major American news outlets to include New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, New Yorker, Yahoo and Mother Jones on its contents.

Speaking to reporters on Friday, Trump, who has read the memo, called the contents “a disgrace.”

“A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves,” he said.

Attorney General Sessions responded to the release by saying he will “forward to appropriate DOJ components all information I receive from Congress regarding this.”

A senior U.S. official said that indicates Sessions will be referring the allegations in the memo to the Department of Justice Inspector General, which can work directly with US attorneys to build prosecutions.
“I am determined that we will fully and fairly ascertain the truth,” Sessions said.



For me, this was among the most over-hyped things since Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's vault, and it was completely empty.

While I think the plot against Trump by James Comey, Rod Rosenstein, Andrew McCabe, Bruce Ohr, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page really is newsworthy and a clear conspiracy against Trump, this memo wasn't the silver bullet that it was hyperbolically touted to be.

And Hannity and others who overplayed the memo to be proof that "will make Watergate look like stealing a Snickers bar" have hurt their own credibility by jumping the gun.

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#1225008 - Fri Feb 02 2018 07:05 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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At some point does it get a little ridiculous that it's everybody conspiring against Trump? The women, the media, democrats, the FBI and those in his own party? And it's a big problem for Trump if your disappointed in the memo. I think this memo was to be used to fire some more people.

Fair play!

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#1225009 - Fri Feb 02 2018 07:48 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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The women accusers mostly ARE Democrats, and very partisan in their opinion about Trump being president and wanting to stop him.

The media likewise are an auxiliary of the DNC, absolutely no separation between them, and eager to carry the DNC talking points and stop Trump by any means, and in numerous cases have said that's their holy mission, to stop Trump.

All the stated people above (Loretta Lynch, James Comey, Rod Rosenstein, Bruce Ohr >>AND<<< his Fusion GPS-employed wife, Andrew McCabe >>>AND<<< his Terry MacAuliff/Clinton campaign-funded wife, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, on and on).
ALL have made clear in their direct e-mail/texted words or by advancing corrupt investigation that was clearly faked, their commitment to prevent Trump from becoming president, and (backup plan) to destroy his integrity by illicit fake evidence and cripple his presidency.

Comey leaked federal information to a college professor buddy, in his own congressional hearing videotaped words, for the expressed purpose of paving the way for a special investigation, based on fake evidence.

Rosenstein in a written report to Trump called for Comey to be fired as the only way to restore FBI internal morale, and to restore public trust in the FBI's integrity. THEN ROSENSTEIN CALLED FOR A SPECIAL INVESTIGATION, to investigate Trump's firing of Comey, THAT ROSENSTEIN HIMSELF RECOMMENDED! Why is there even an investigation?

The FISA requests to do surveillance on Trump officials was based on a DNC/Hillary-commissioned "dossier" by Chris Steele, and Rosenstein AGAIN was the hand that authorized the FISA requests, knowing that the evidence was fake. And bamboozled a judge into signing off on the FISA surveillance, with pseudo-corroboration of "verifying source" that also came from Steele (Yahoo News).

My disappointment with the Devin Nunes memo release is despite that it codifies what has been known for weeks, it offers no new evidence beyond what has been revealed over the last 2 weeks. But even if it was a silver bullet that proved everything, Democrats and the DNC Newspeak media would still pretend it didn't exist. They pretend what was already known doesn't exist and portray it as insignificant.

My complaint isn't that the evidence of Democrat/FBI/DOJ/Russian collusion doesn't exist, it's that the latest "memo" added to the stack of evidence was simply overhyped to a be smoking gun that it wasn't. At least not as dramatic a smoking gun as was promised in the hype.



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#1225015 - Sun Feb 04 2018 08:51 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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While not as dramatic as the hyperbole leading up to it, release of the Nunes memo confirmed:

1) that the Christopher Steele "Russia dossier" (commissioned by the Hillary Clinton campaign, and provably salacious and untrue) was the basis for the FISA surveillance request on Trump officials Carter Page, General Flynn, and Paul Manafort.

2) That the only verification of the dossier in obtaining the FISA surveillance request was a Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff (which was in fact sourced from a press release to Isikoff by Christopher Steele, printed almost verbatim by Isikoff, and therefore not an actual second verifying source.)


3) As Andrew McCabe stated in congressional testimony, without the "Russia dossier", there would have been no basis for the FISA surveillance of Trump officials. IT NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AND WAS OBTAINED WITH FALSE EVIDENCE.

4) That Andrew McCabe, James Comey and others KNEW the "Russian dossier" basis for the FISA surveillance request on Trump officials was false evidence when they submitted it. That if a police officer or attorney did the same as McCabe and Comey, it would cost them their badges, and likely result in charges that would put them in jail.

5) The judges who approved the surveillance are in question too, for not investigating the evidence submitted to them by McCabe and Comey. And they could rescind the FISA surveillance order, ending all charges against Carter Page, General Flynn, and Paul Manafort. Fruit of a poisoned tree, that would throw all the evidence out of court, for the false pretenses under which it was obtained.


Finally (my own speculation) the fact that (5) has not occurred yet makes me wonder if the judges who approved the secret court FISA request are Deep State conspirators as well, that they are not outraged by the deceit of McCabe and Comey that allowed them to get the FISA request, and that they have not demanded that the poisoned fruit be thrown out by rescinding their initial FISA surveillance approval.

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#1225016 - Sun Feb 04 2018 09:41 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Everything you posted is being heavily contested by the Dems on the committee and the FBI and the DOJ. Carter Page called himself an advisor to the Kremlin. It shouldn't have been surprising that the FBI was keeping tabs on him.

Fair play!

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#1225017 - Sun Feb 04 2018 10:03 AM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Matter-eater Man
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Does the GOP memo show the FBI spied on the Trump campaign?

Fair play!

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#1225019 - Sun Feb 04 2018 11:12 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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It's beyond challenge that the "Russia dossier" was commissioned by the Clinton campaign, and that the "evidence" in it is false and easily contested. It's beyond challenge that it was the basis for the FISA request.

It'ss beyond challenge and by their own admission that McCabe and Comey said that without the Russia dossier there would have been insufficient evidence for the secret court to approve surveillance of Trump officials.

Beyond outright DNC/liberal media lies, I don't know how those facts can be twisted.

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#1225026 - Mon Feb 05 2018 07:23 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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We've only seen the memo that Nunes partisanly had produced. You can take his and Trump's word for it but that hardly constitutes fact.

Fair play!

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#1225029 - Mon Feb 05 2018 09:46 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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It's laughable that you call Nunes "partisan", and treat guys like Rep. Adam Schiff, Comey, McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Christopher Steele as truth-tellers!
THEIR partisan bias is plain as day, in their own text messages and testimony.

Nunes has endured a lot of abuse and investigation of himself to tell THE TRUTH!

Democrats, conversely, at every turn want to sweep everything under a rug and hide the true facts. Democrats' shaving of the facts and punishing of truth-tellers is akin to a Soviet KGB investigation, only interested in exonerating themselves and destroying opponents.

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#1225035 - Mon Feb 05 2018 11:41 PM Re: The disappointing "Memo" released today [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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It's not really even debatable that Nunes is being a partisan WB. The memo was pushed through along partisan lines with even some republicans like McCain criticizing it. When it's just one party pushing it through that alone makes it partisan. If they did indeed cherry pick facts to mislead than you should also have a problem with that dishonesty.

Fair play!

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