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#1227362 - Mon Oct 15 2018 07:01 PM Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series?
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DEADMAN six-issue series (2017) story and art by Neal Adams
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=44710982


The reviews I looked at are all over the place.

My general sense is, it's a re-tread that has the flavor of the original, but like virtually all nostalgic new stories with old characters, is a pale shadow of the original.

The new Neal Adams art of the last 25 years or so doesn't appeal to me. For me, Neal Adams has lost it. If he drew like this in his best 1967-1978 period, I never would have looked twice at his work.

And the worst of it is when he "corrects" his best work in reprint editions, such as the DEADMAN hardcover, and the BATMAN ILLUSTRATED BY NEAL ADAMS vol 1, 2 and 3 hardcovers.




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#1227376 - Tue Oct 16 2018 07:58 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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His new artwork is still competent and often better than what passes for good art in modern comics but, yeah, he's not what he used to be.

And overall, he's just not a good writer.

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#1227378 - Tue Oct 16 2018 10:28 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: the G-man]
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I have to say, at least back in the day, Neal Adams DID script some good stories. Of the four SPECTRE issues Adams drew in 1968, Adams scripted SPECTRE 4 and 5. (Issue 2 was by Gardner Fox. Issue 3 was by Mike Friedrich, the best of the four).

Adams' best effort was writing issues of STRANGE ADVENTURES (Deadman), when the series was suffering from not having a steady writer. I think this was Adams' best writing effort. Adams scripted issues 212-216, which were on a par with the best previous issues.
STRANGE ADVENTURES 213 in particular I find one of the best issues of the series.
And also (less impressive) was writer/artist on Deadman backup stories in AQUAMAN 50-52.

Adams also did another good story as writer/artist, "Holocaust", in EPIC ILLUSTRATED 7. It was originally to be a Power Records book, was in inventory for 10 years, and completely rewritten for its published form.

To support your argument, G-man: SKATEMAN # 1 (and mercifully, the only issue).

And really, just about any of his Continuity comics of the 1980's/early 1990's make your argument. The art was decent, if often garishly colored. But the Adams writing was like something out of a late 1960's DC comic. They were like stories that appeared 20 years late, out of a time vortex.


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#1227425 - Fri Oct 19 2018 02:14 PM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Neal Adams on Creating Batman's Iconic Look, Deadman and More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z03Np_fBAI

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#1227580 - Tue Oct 30 2018 01:14 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Okay, I re-read those SPECTRE stories over the weekend, they were actually pretty horrible, writingwise. Even the Gardner Fox story (issue 2), and Friedrich story (3) were pretty sub-par.

The memory of them was better than the actual stories. Neal Adams has talent, but writing stories generally isn't one of his strong points.

There was a beautifully illustrated short piece "The Game" in HOUSE OF MYSTERY 178 with both story and art by Adams. Conceptually it was a very good story, but the dialogue was very clunky.

On HOUSE OF MYSTERY, Adams did stories in 178, 179, and 186.
And covers on 175-192, 197, 199, and 251-254.

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#1227593 - Wed Oct 31 2018 06:46 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Really, he's on a par with the late Bob Haney: some interesting ideas but clunky dialogue and inability to keep everyone in character
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#1227681 - Wed Nov 14 2018 08:34 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: the G-man]
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Yeah, the Haney comparison fits. And either one of them might be considered Ernest Hemingway, relative to Silver Age DC standards.

A 13-year-old Jim Shooter set the world on fire in 1966 with his writing on Legion in ADVENTURE COMICS 346-380, simply taking notes on the storytelling techniques used at Marvel, and submitting them to use on a series for DC. In that era, he also worked on ACTION and SUPERMAN for editor Mort Weisinger.

It still amazes me that a 13 year old kid could enter comics and write professionally with more engaging stories than the DC pros at that time. But such were the writing standards in that era. When they found out he was under 18, they took away his books and said he could come back when he was an adult. Which Shooter later did from 1974-1976, but by then Mort Weisinger had retired, and Shooter found it far more difficult to work for Julius Schwartz and Murray Boltinoff, at which point he defected over to Marvel.


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#1227780 - Thu Nov 22 2018 01:05 PM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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One of my favorite Adams covers. One I had in a glossy mylar sleeve on the wall in my home art gallery for several years. In addition to the cover and interior art, Adams scripted issues 212-216. Adams in an interview said that the series was suffering from having a different writer just about every issue, so he pushed to take over writing the series to give it a consistency it was lacking till then.


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#1227782 - Fri Nov 23 2018 08:01 AM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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I think you meant to post a different cover. That one's a mock up.
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#1227783 - Fri Nov 23 2018 05:28 PM Re: Did anyone even know there was a new Neal Adams DEADMAN series? [Re: the G-man]
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No, that's the cover for STRANGE ADVENTURES 213.
Maybe you thought I was trying to post a cover from the new series. I meant the original series.

For anyone who hasn't seen them, here are all the STRANGE ADVENTURES Deadman covers.
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?tid=181031&pgi=201

I was glad Adams still did the STRANGE ADVENTURES covers for 2 issues even after the Deadman series ended. For readers buying these when they came out, that must have lessened the sting of Deadman being cancelled.

It was also kind of a natural choice to have Adam Strange appearing in STRANGE ADVENTURES. Issues 217-244 were my first time reading these Adam Strange stories, as reprints. I had a bitch of a time over several years finding all the back issues of them in their original MYSTERY IN SPACE form. Also nice was the complete run of Murphy Anderson "Atomic Knights" stories reprinted as well.




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