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#1227829 - Sun Dec 02 2018 10:53 PM Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax?
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#1227831 - Mon Dec 03 2018 01:29 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Pariah]
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Well... what's your opinion on the subject, Pariah?

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#1227832 - Mon Dec 03 2018 01:42 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46417991


A statue of Mariane, a symbol of France, was vandalised inside the Arc de Triomphe.


I think it answers the question right there. It's not about addressing a specific greivance regarding one national policy. Like attacking statues of Washington and Jefferson and other non-Confederate U.S. statues in September 2017, it was truly about hating the United States, and attacking the moral right of the U.S. itself to exist.

Hidden under a veil of protesting the monuments to Confederate racism.


I suspect the French protests are similarly about hatred for the French nation itself, despite fronting to be about other issues.




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#1227833 - Mon Dec 03 2018 01:51 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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If you look into it, you'll see that rioting in Europe is not localized to France right now. It's in Belgium and Germany as well.

These "Yellow Jacket" rioters are not your typical migrant cunts. They're native Europeans. They're not doing this out of any sentiments against nationalism. In fact, the "leaders" they're rising up against are the ones that have been trying to stamp out nationalism.

If you look into the twitter feeds, you'll even catch some of them wearing the "QAnon" flair.

There's a reason that the major media outlets are covering this as minimally as possible and not going into any details about exactly why they're doing what they're doing. That would reveal too much.

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#1227834 - Mon Dec 03 2018 02:08 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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France fuel protests: Macron holds urgent security meeting



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2 December 2018



French President Emmanuel Macron has held an urgent security meeting following a day of riots by thousands of anti-government protesters.

Ministers said that while no options had been ruled out, imposing a state of emergency had not been discussed during the talks - despite earlier reports.
Protests over fuel tax have grown into general anger at higher living costs.

Three people have been killed in the protests since demonstrations started more than two weeks ago, police said.
Justice Minister Nicole Belloubet has promised to bring the full force of the law to bear on people who are found to have resorted to violence.

Before the security meeting on Sunday, Mr Macron inspected some of the damage caused in the disturbances, which had centred on Paris.
More than 100 people were injured in the city, including 23 members of the security forces, and nearly 400 people were arrested, police said.

Mr Macron visited the Champs-Elysées and the Arc de Triomphe, which was scaled by demonstrators on Saturday.
He later chaired an urgent meeting at the presidential palace, involving the interior minister and top security service officials

France's interior ministry says about 136,000 people took part in the protests nationwide, showing widespread support for the movement known as the "gilets jaunes" (yellow vests).

Government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux earlier told Europe 1 radio that a state-of-emergency declaration was a possible option. "We have to think about the measures that can be taken so that these incidents don't happen again," he said.

WHO ARE THE PROTESTORS?

The "gilets jaunes" protesters, so-called because they have taken to the streets wearing the high-visibility yellow clothing that is required to be carried in every vehicle by French law, are complaining at a sharp increase in diesel taxes.

Mr Macron says his motivation for the increase is environmental, but protesters call him out of touch - particularly with non-city dwellers who rely on their cars.
The protest movement has no identifiable leadership and has gained momentum via social media, encompassing a whole range of participants from the anarchist far left to the nationalist far right, and plenty of moderates in between.

Nearly 300,000 people took part in the first country-wide demonstration, on 17 November.



CAN MACRON HEAL THE RIFT?
By Hugh Schofield, Paris correspondent

Coming straight from the airport, the president was greeted with cheers but also boos as he looked at the wreckage of burnt-out cars and smashed windows on the Avenue Kléber.

At the Arc de Triomphe, he saw the graffiti targeting him and his government sprayed on the outside, and inside the devastation in the ticketing and reception areas, which had been ransacked by rioters.

The president and his ministers must now decide what action to take in response to a turn of events that in its drama and violence has shocked the country.

He may be hoping that the wanton destruction in the capital marks a turning point, and that many ordinary "yellow vests" will now feel they have had enough.

If so, that might be a rash calculation. The bigger point is their grievances over rising taxes and falling standards of living, and they still have plenty of support.



WHAT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY?

The "yellow vest" protesters rallied for a third weekend on Saturday, taking to the streets across the country, including in Narbonne, Nantes and Marseille.

One driver died in an accident at a protesters' blockade in Arles, after a car collided with a heavy goods vehicle, a gendarmerie official told Reuters news agency.

On the Champs-Elysées in central Paris, police fired tear gas, stun grenades and water cannon, while masked protesters hurled projectiles and set buildings on fire.

Nearly 190 fires were put out and six buildings were set ablaze, the interior ministry said.

Department stores and metro stations were closed as a result of the violence.

WHAT HAS MACRON SAID?

"I will never accept violence," Mr Macron told a news conference in Buenos Aires on Saturday.

"No cause justifies that authorities are attacked, that businesses are plundered, that passers-by or journalists are threatened or that the Arc du Triomphe is defiled," he said.

He has long maintained that his fuel policies are needed to combat global warming and has accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

Earlier this week, Mr Macron tried to strike a conciliatory tone, saying he was open to ideas about how the fuel tax could be applied.



WHAT HAS ANGERED DRIVERS?

The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.




It seems like a huge spectrum of political movements took part in the protests. But obviously one faction of the larger protests went beyond protesting Macron policy, to attack France itself.

Restrictions on fuel are a way of controlling people and restricting their movements. And it's worth noting that Comrade Obama left to his own devices would have implemented a similar policy. In 2008 campaigning, Obama said "Under my policy of a Cap-and-Trade system [where everyone would have surveillance meters in their homes and cars and businesses to monitor their consumption of carbon emissions] energy prices would necessarily skyrocket."
Far beyond environmental consumption, it's a way to control people and monitor their movement. Fortunately, Obama's attempts to pass Cap-and-Trade failed. But though unsuccessful, Obama intended the same for us.


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#1227835 - Mon Dec 03 2018 02:14 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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 Originally Posted By: Pariah
If you look into the twitter feeds, you'll even catch some of them wearing the "QAnon" flair.

There's a reason that the major media outlets are covering this as minimally as possible and not going into any details about exactly why they're doing what they're doing. That would reveal too much.


Just like the Newspeak liberal media in the U.S., except we have Fox news and a few select conservative outlets on this side of the Atlantic, to break the narrative. Which is precisely why the liberals and globalists hate Fox so much. It has obstructed their plans at multiple points and prevented them from consolidating power.

To be clear, I said above that there is a wide spectrum of groups protesting in France (and elsewhere). And I think protesting the restrictions on movement is a legitimate reason to protest.
But that a segment of the Left and possibly Islamists (20% of France) are using the larger protest to attack not just Macron policy, but to attack the French nation itself.


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#1227836 - Mon Dec 03 2018 02:28 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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QAnon

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QAnon[a] (/kjuːəˈnɒn/) is a far-right conspiracy theory[1] which began with an October 2017 post on the anonymous imageboard 4chan by someone using the tripcode Q, a presumably American[2] individual that may have later grown to include multiple individuals[3][4][5] claiming to have access to classified information involving the Trump administration and its opponents in the United States. The theory details a supposed secret conspiracy by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters.[6] The account has falsely accused numerous liberal Hollywood actors, politicians, and high-ranking officials of engaging in an international child sex trafficking ring, and that Trump feigned collusion with Russians to enlist Robert Mueller to join him in exposing the ring and preventing a coup d'état by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Soros.[7][8][9] "Q" is a reference to the top-secret Q clearance.

The conspiracy theory, mainly popularized by supporters of President Trump under the names The Storm and The Great Awakening, has been widely characterized as "baseless",[10][11][12] "unhinged"[13] and "evidence-free".[14] Its proponents have been called "a deranged conspiracy cult"[15] and "some of the Internet's most outré Trump fans".[16]

QAnon adherents began appearing at Trump rallies during the summer of 2018[17] and a major promoter of the conspiracy theory was granted a photo op with President Trump in the Oval Office on August 24, 2018.[18]



I've noticed that conservative movements and beliefs on Wikipedia are dismissively labelled as "conspiracy theory" even when they are at least partially factual and true. The part below about Seth Rich being a conspiracy is unproven but very possibly true. He had access to DNC files that were exposed by Wikileaks, was murdered "in a robbery" according to DC police, despite his wallet and cel phone not being stolen. Wikipedia is increasingly an arm of liberal social media along with Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Google.
But it at least gives a starting point toward understanding what you're referring to.

And visibly displays how the Left and their allies in the media want to dismissively undermine that conservative perspective entirely, to make it a "conspiracy theory" to even ask valid qquestions.




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#1227837 - Mon Dec 03 2018 06:27 PM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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I think there were some emails that have come out recently between conservative operatives Stone and Corsi that shows that even when they were pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy they knew it was Russia. Hopefully more will be revealed with the Mueller investigation

Fair play!

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#1227839 - Mon Dec 03 2018 07:30 PM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I think there were some emails that have come out recently between conservative operatives Stone and Corsi that shows that even when they were pushing the Seth Rich conspiracy they knew it was Russia. Hopefully more will be revealed with the Mueller investigation



What was revealed is that Jerome Corsi deduced without direct knowledge that Wikileaks had John Podesta's e-mails, without his having any involvement with it. He said to Roger Stone in e-mails that Wikileaks had released e-mails of all the Dems close to Podesta but none by Podesta.
Corsi basically said If it were me, if I were Wikileaks, I'd save the Podesta e-mails for last, since they'd be the most devastating to the Dems. And if I'm right, they'll be released next.
And they were.

Also, Julian Assange all but admitted that Seth Rich was the leaker in a videotaped interview I've posted previously. Saying that leakers put themselves at great risk to provide Wikileaks with information, in an interview just days after Rich was killed. The interviewer even pressed Assange on whether Set Rich was the leaker of DNC documents to Wikileaks, that Assange remained evasive about. Not saying yes, but also not denying Seth Rich was the leaker.




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#1227844 - Tue Dec 04 2018 07:24 AM Re: Who here thinks the French riots have anything to do with a gas tax? [Re: Wonder Boy]
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"Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps," Corsi wrote on Aug. 2, 2016, referring to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, according to the draft court papers. "One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging."
Mueller has emails

That doesn't sound like deduction WB

Fair play!

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