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#1227885 - Tue Dec 11 2018 10:41 PM Pelosi did a good job today
Matter-eater Man
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She stood her ground and I think turned things on Trump.

Fair play!

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#1227886 - Wed Dec 12 2018 08:19 AM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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Pelosi and Schumer were speaking for the cameras and their base, they weren't even trying to negotiate. And when they realized they were looking like obstructionist fools, they begged Trump to make the meeting private without the cameras, so they could stop damaging themselves on camera.

Meeting between President Trump, Rep. Pelosi, and Sen. Schumer




Schumer in 2009 (along with many other Democrats) was saying we "can't treat these people the same way we treat legal immigrants", that we can't allow them to come in, we have to secure our borders. Now Schumer and Pelosi support sanctuary cities. If you support sanctuary cities, you can't even pretend you want to secure the border. It's one or the other.

And 54% of the country supports Trump's position, not Schumer and Pelosi's.

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#1227887 - Wed Dec 12 2018 08:21 AM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: Wonder Boy]
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A new left-leaning poll proves the point President Donald Trump made at his State of the Union address: “Americans are dreamers, too.”
According to a Harvard University-Harris Poll, a majority of Americans actually agree with not only one but all of Trump’s immigration proposals.

A stunning 65 percent of Americans support a DACA deal that ends chain migration, eliminates the random visa lottery and secures the border with a wall. Only 35 percent of Americans did not agree.
Nearly 70 percent of Americans oppose the visa lottery which allows immigrants to be picked at random for entry into the country.

In fact, nearly 80 percent of Americans believe that immigration should be based on merit and skills, not just family ties.
Even more interesting, the poll shows that 60 percent of Americans believe that even if dreamers are allowed to stay, they should not be given preference to bring relatives to the United States.

When faced with a choice, nearly 80 percent want secure borders rather than open borders.
Specifically, 61 percent think that current border security is inadequate, and more than half of Americans — 54 percent — support a physical barrier along the southern U.S. border. This is particularly bad news for democrats such as Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) who recently reneged on funding the border wall.

The shocking poll underscores the progress Trump has made in his push for immigration reform. When he launched his bid for president, a Pew Research Center pollshowed that only 46 percent of Americans supported a border wall. In 2016, The Washington Post even poked fun at Trump for actually making the border wall less popular at just 36 percent but no that is no longer the case, either. The rise in poll numbers shows Trump’s persistence on the issue finally pays dividends.

The recent Harvard-Harris poll showing Americans’ shifting view is devastating for democrats during a time when they are pushing full amnesty for dreamers, while not giving any ground on funding a wall, improving border security, or reforming other immigration policies. Even Mark Penn, longtime democratic pollster and senior adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton, recently admitted that the time has come for democrats to face the music and make a deal.

Finally, what is most surprising about the poll is the fact that it was taken before last week’s State of the Union address during which Americans had the opportunity to meet — via their televisions — families of victims killed at the hands of illegal immigrants.

Those heart-wrenching stories included two teenage girls killed at the hands of illegal immigrant MS-13 gang members on Long Island. It would be interesting to see if support for border security is even higher now in the light of the “Trump bump”that the president received from his heartfelt address.

The bottom line is Americans agree with Trump’s immigration policies, and it does not bode well for democrats who appear to either be tone deaf on the matter, blinded by their open-borders worldview that continues to protect illegals ahead of American citizens, or they intentionally want to keep the issue boiling in advance of the 2018 midterm elections.

The new polls illustrate that Americans feel as Trump feels — that Americans are “Dreamers” in our own right, and that we dream of a nation in which our children can be safe from predatory gang violence, illegal activity and that our children should be afforded the right to live long enough to fulfill their dreams, too.





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#1227894 - Wed Dec 12 2018 10:06 PM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy


Pelosi and Schumer were speaking for the cameras and their base, they weren't even trying to negotiate. And when they realized they were looking like obstructionist fools, they begged Trump to make the meeting private without the cameras, so they could stop damaging themselves on camera.

Meeting between President Trump, Rep. Pelosi, and Sen. Schumer




Schumer in 2009 (along with many other Democrats) was saying we "can't treat these people the same way we treat legal immigrants", that we can't allow them to come in, we have to secure our borders. Now Schumer and Pelosi support sanctuary cities. If you support sanctuary cities, you can't even pretend you want to secure the border. It's one or the other.

And 54% of the country supports Trump's position, not Schumer and Pelosi's.




It went so well for Trump that afterwards he reportedly stormed off and threw a tantrum. Making a demand like Trump did with the threat off shutting the government down if his demand wasn't meant is in no way "negotiating. It's what a terrorist does.

Fair play!

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#1227923 - Fri Dec 14 2018 08:32 AM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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"A terrorist"? Jeez, MEM, hyperbole much?
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#1227924 - Fri Dec 14 2018 12:12 PM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: the G-man]
Wonder Boy
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In the last few days on various Fox shows (of course! What other news network would reveal the truth?) of Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid and others saying back in 2008 and 2009 almost verbatim what Trump is saying now. That we can't allow these people to just illegally swarm across our border, that they are invaders who can't be treated like legal immigrants, that we have to build walls and fences to secure our border and keep them out.

Now, suddenly when Trump says the exact same thing, it's racist, heartless, xenophobic, cruel,unsympathetic. All that has changed is that Trump is president, and they don't want to give him the political victory.

All Trump and the Republicans have to do is make commercials of Democrats saying these things, and bombard the airwaves with these commercials for several weeks to expose the Democrats' hypocrisy.

Of course, the Democrats are liars who were only giving lip service to securing the border, because they want to admit and legalize as many illegals as possible to create a permanent Democrat voting majority. But they said these things just the same, and it's just as hypocritical regardless.



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#1227928 - Fri Dec 14 2018 10:59 PM Re: Pelosi did a good job today [Re: the G-man]
Matter-eater Man
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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
"A terrorist"? Jeez, MEM, hyperbole much?


Guilty as charged. While I see some similarities in technique, terrorist actually was to strong of a word to use. I shouldn't have used it.

Fair play!

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