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#1231763 - Tue Apr 28 2020 08:24 AM Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden
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The last few days, I initially heard that Biden would select a running mate by May 1st. Now I'm hearing that they'll begin a V.P. selection-committee to begin the process on May 1st or early May.

The V.P. in this case is far more important than usual, given Biden's age, and both Biden's mental and physical fragility. The likelihood that Biden would die in office, and the V.P. would actually become president (in the hypothetical possibility that Biden could actually be elected) is quite high.

Biden has made clear he wants to select a woman, and I don't recall the exact words, but has implied he leans toward selecting a woman of color.

Two early suggestions :

One is Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer
Although with her arbitrary, illogical, authoritarian, and outright partisan bullying of Michigan citizens with coronavirus sheltering laws, I hope she has eliminated herself as a choice. But from a Democrat point of view, she governs a swing state, and selecting her could help Biden to win Michigan in Nov 2020. That Trump won in 2016.

Another is Stacy Abrams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams
Who I see as a vicious radical leftist idealogue, highly controversial, and prone toward race baiting. As I recall, Biden never suggested her as a possibility, but Abrams in a televised interview offered herself (in all modesty) as a "highly qualified" candidate for V.P., and implied that Biden is a racist if he doesn't pick her. Yeah, that should help her chances.... She is a poisonous leftist radical, whose first impulse at every turn is to accuse any who run against her as racist, and any who defeat her of winning by unlawful and racist means.


I think Democrats remain orgasmic at the possibility of selecting Michelle Obama as V.P., or even as Presidential candidate, if she even wanted the job.

I'd consider a good candidate to be one who
1) has executive experience, and proven accomplishments in a role as executive
2) has a unifying national message, and is not a poisonous demagogue
3) Comes from a key battleground state, and therefore brings a greater possibility of winning her home state and other states in the region.

While Michelle Obama is just as ideologically poisonous as husband Barack Obama or Stacy Abrams, she is perceived (through lack of media coverage of her public comments and radical history since college) as moderate and is very liked in the polls, and has name reccognition as the former first lady. First ladies all tend to be more popular than their husbands.


Amy Klobuchar is a midwestern former 2020 candidate, who has executive experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Klobuchar
And while having some red meat partisan rhetoric, is less prone to partisanship than others in her party. And seems faairly accomplished as a former executive leader. I'd consider her, but the Democrats likely would not, because she is white.


Tulsi Gabbard is another I consider, while left-leaning, less extreme in her rhetoric, more of an independent thinker, and as a Major in the National Guard, more able to step in as commander in chief to replace Biden. And as a pacific-islander, fits the "woman of color" checkbox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard
But as the Democrat party and liberal media tried so desperately to destroy her as a 2020 candidate, she is not likely to be selected as V.P., despite that she is among the least extreme and most palatable V.P. choices.
While I like her on some levels, she lost me at amnesty for illegals, de-criminalizing illegal immigration, and taxpayer-funded healthcare for illegals. Her hand went up with all the other 2020 Democrat candidates at the debates to this question.

So who would anyone else choose ideally as a V.P. for Biden?

And more realistically, who do you think Biden (or the behind-the-scenes hand-wringers who make Biden's decisions for him) will choose?
The window will likely close on this speculation within a week or two at most.





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#1231764 - Tue Apr 28 2020 08:32 AM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Wonder Boy]
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Another reason this V.P. selection is so crucial is because, through either mential or physical infirmity prohibiting his going on till November, or because of the more recent sexual/rape allegations by Tara Reade (which by the way are far more credible and documented than those of the Democrat-celebrated Christine Blasey Ford, but are selectively omitted from coverage or discussion by either the Democrat leadership or the liberal media). Or Biden's extensive corruption in Ukraine, China, or domestically, where his sons and brothers have reaped enormous fortunes by selling Joseph Biden's office.

It's entirely possible Biden could end his campaign for any of these reasons, and his V.P. choice could run the rest of the distance till November as the new Democrat nominee.

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#1231767 - Tue Apr 28 2020 09:13 AM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Wonder Boy]
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When Trump rambles on about ingesting Lysol it’s funny to see you push partisan crap like this. I am looking forward to Biden’s VP announcement. While I would love to see Michelle Obama I think she’s made it clear she was done after 8 years with her husband in office. There are plenty of good picks out there so have no idea who it would be. Amy from my state is probably in the running and she did well in the debates.

Fair play!

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#1231775 - Tue Apr 28 2020 02:00 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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?!?

All I did was speculate about possible running mates for Biden, and in some cited possibilities, why I think they might or might not be chosen, and ask what others thought were some possibilities.

While I bashed quite a few, I praised Amy Klobuchar and Tulsi Gabbard. With a few caveats.

Some other Democrats I've liked over the years include former Virginia Senator Jim Webb, Tim Ryan, and John Delaney, who are proven and moderate leaders, too moderate to be selected by a Demcorat party that has lurched insane-far-Left.

Another from the 1980's who would have made a good president is Sen Sam. Nunn. Last I saw, he was part of a think tank for nuclear arms reduction. And the late Zell Miller of Georgia.

Miller in particular was reminiscent in style to Republican Sen John Kennedy of Mississippi, with his common-sense and often very funny folksy metaphors and witticisms, referencing events in current politics.
The last I saw Zell Miller was when he was interviewed by Tim Russert, if I recall about the Howard Dean campaign and some idiot thing Dean had said stereotyping all southerners as having gun racks in their trucks. That Miller rightly speculated had already cost Dean the southern vote, and his party's nomination.


At one time I thought Kamala Harris was a good pick in the primaries. But just like Elizabeth Warren, both despite fawning and endless praise by the liberal media, shot themselves in the foot multiple times until they finally lost support in spite of the fawning media, who finally were forced to report their campaign errors.

At one point, I heard it speculated that Elizabeth Warren was the favored successor of Barack Obama himself, to carry on his legacy. That has certainly changed.


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#1231778 - Tue Apr 28 2020 04:38 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I would love to see Michelle Obama I think she’s made it clear she was done after 8 years with her husband in office.


Other than being roughly as unqualified as Trump to be President what, exactly, has she done that qualifies her to be VP?

Being a nice person or married to a president is no more qualification that assuming my ex-wife could practice law.

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#1231779 - Tue Apr 28 2020 04:41 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Amy from my state is probably in the running and she did well in the debates.


I suspect Klobacher is the frontrunner if not the presumptive favorite. She got out of the race so quickly one thinks a deal might have been cut, There's also the fact that she brings in some potential appeal to the midwest.

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#1231781 - Tue Apr 28 2020 06:52 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: the G-man]
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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Amy from my state is probably in the running and she did well in the debates.


I suspect Klobacher is the frontrunner if not the presumptive favorite. She got out of the race so quickly one thinks a deal might have been cut, There's also the fact that she brings in some potential appeal to the midwest.


I tend to be wrong on my guesses but I could see her being up there. I think she comes across well. On the other hand there is an issue during her time as a prosecutor that might make her a bad pick.

Fair play!

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#1231782 - Tue Apr 28 2020 07:35 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
Amy from my state is probably in the running and she did well in the debates.


I suspect Klobacher is the frontrunner if not the presumptive favorite. She got out of the race so quickly one thinks a deal might have been cut, There's also the fact that she brings in some potential appeal to the midwest.


I tend to be wrong on my guesses but I could see her being up there. I think she comes across well. On the other hand there is an issue during her time as a prosecutor that might make her a bad pick.

That would knock out Harris too. Interesting

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#1231783 - Tue Apr 28 2020 08:41 PM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: the G-man]
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Again I’m not a good guesser but yes I would think that would be on the con side. I like Klobachar and I think she probably was heavily auditioning very much for VP with her run to begin with but she’s not flawless.

Fair play!

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#1231788 - Wed Apr 29 2020 11:38 AM Re: Selecting a Democrat V.P. running mate for Joseph Biden [Re: the G-man]
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 Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
I would love to see Michelle Obama I think she’s made it clear she was done after 8 years with her husband in office.


Other than being roughly as unqualified as Trump to be President what, exactly, has she done that qualifies her to be VP?

Being a nice person or married to a president is no more qualification that assuming my ex-wife could practice law.



People asked that about Donald Trump in 2016.

I would argue that Trump ran a 5 billion-dollar company that does business in 20 nations worldwide, and therefore has experience at least equivalent to that of the governor of a large state. Trump has executive experience.

Trump also has been friends with Congressmen, Senators and presidents for over 40 years. Through that he has gained an understanding of national politics and the presidency itself, over decades. Trump was particularly close to both the Reagans and the Clintons. And the fact that Trump has been a fundraiser, campaign contributor and close associate of members of both parties, been an insider of both parties. That gives him a level of experience that no one else in a century has had. That makes him able to understand and negotiate with both sides.

The point being... Micheelle Obama has none of this experience. She was a lawyer in Chicago and the protege of Valerie Jarrett (it was Jarret who introduced Barack and Michelle, by the way.) Jarret being a cultural marxist radical. As are Barack and Michelle.

Neither Barack or Michelle has any executive experience. Obama as president relied on his advisors, as he had no knowledge or experience of his own. Michelle offers the same blank slate, except that she has never even held any office, and certainly no executive experience. Even lower than Obama, she has never been an Illinois state senator, or been a U.S. senator for less than one year before announcing his candidacy for president, or voted "present" over 100 times when called on to vote in legislation. Their only political capital is that their skin is black, and that they are far-left cultural marxists, which alone guarantees them a large slice of the Democrat vote, based on absolutely no skills. Identity politics and hating America gets you a long way in the DNC, but I think not far enough this time.


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