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#1232144 - Wed Jun 17 2020 09:31 PM Right wingers kill some cops
Matter-eater Man
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I know the rage for Antifa is mighty but a couple more arrests were made sadly after some right wingers killed some cops.
Accused killer of cops were associated with right wing group

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TOPLINE The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."
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#1232146 - Thu Jun 18 2020 01:30 AM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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You keep trying to sell this bullshit narrative that "right wingers" are some threat to the country. Even as tens of thousands of left-wing Antifa and Black Lives Matter Bolshevik lunatics are looting and burning cities nationwide, you strain to find one right-winger who did something.

Your B.S. doesn't pass the smell-test, M E M.



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#1232173 - Mon Jun 22 2020 09:19 AM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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If it was really “tens of thousands “ actually looting and committing arson WB you would have a point. Instead you’ve falsely lumpEd the vast majority of peaceful protestors with the few. When an extremist group targets cops for killing and succeeding why do you claim it’s bs really?

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#1232181 - Mon Jun 22 2020 03:22 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Matter-eater Man]
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M E M, with all due respect, they burned down and looted about 500 businesses just in Minneapolis. They've done the same in New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Portland, Seattle... dozens of cities nationwide. The damage in Minneapolis alone is probably in the hundreds of millions, if not the billions. And the looting was even more widespread in New York City.


That easily adds up to thousands in each city nationwide. So yes, tens of thousands.
While there are peaceful protestors as well, there are tens of thousands nationwide active in destruction and violence.

And when Black Lives Matter and Antifa openly advocate and recruit soldiers and terrorist cels for that violence, who in demonstrations stoke thousands of others to do so, looting, arson, beating people up... yes, that violence reaches into tens of thousands, easily.
Antifa alone I've seen estimated at about 20,000 to 25,000 members, as measured by the daily visits to their websites.


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#1232182 - Mon Jun 22 2020 03:40 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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You can keep trying to spin WB but it unfolded in front of me. Most of the protesters were peaceful and I understand why they were exercising their constitutional rights. And I’m not trying to say all this arson and violence was coming from the right. Given the arrest of the ones from a far right group that actually killed cops during the protests though it certainly isn’t a one sided affair. You’re total lack of comment/concern about the right wingers targeting and successfully killing cops does let me know where your at politically though. For what it’s worth you have me convinced that you will stick with your talking points no matter what. If murdered cops are not going to slap some reality into you, nothing will.

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#1232183 - Mon Jun 22 2020 03:49 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
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http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/summary.asp?object=Organization&category=

http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7876

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THE CONSEQUENCES OF BLM'S RHETORIC

In 2013 and beyond, a number of black criminal suspects who had died in the course of confrontations with police officers joined Trayvon Martin as new, martyred icons of the BLM movement. Prominent among these were Eric Garner (New York), Michael Brown (Ferguson, Missouri), Tamir Rice (Cleveland), Timothy Russell (Cleveland), Malissa Williams (Cleveland), and Freddie Gray (Baltimore). High-profile political leaders such as President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and the mayors of the cities where the aforementioned deaths took place, routinely depicted race as a major underlying factor in those deaths.

In December 2014, for instance, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio—explicitly exhorting New Yorkers to remember that “black lives matter”—lamented the “centuries of racism” whose legacy was still influencing the actions of too many police officers. The mayor called not only for the retraining of police forces “in how to work with [nonwhite] communities differently,” but also for the use of body cameras to bring “a different level of transparency and accountability” to police work.

And in the aftermath of Freddie Gray's death in April 2015, Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, citing her desire “to reform my [police] department,” called on the U.S. Department of Justice to conduct a civil-rights investigation to determine whether Baltimore police had been engaging in unconstitutional patterns of abuse or discrimination against African Americans. Moreover, when violent riots were overrunning parts of her city following Gray's demise, Rawlings-Blake, by her own admission, “gave those who wished to destroy, space to do that as well.” In other words, the police were in effect sidelined.

In New York, Baltimore, and elsewhere in urban America, law-enforcement officers responded to the newly rising anti-police climate by becoming less proactive in apprehending criminals, particularly for low-level offenses. This, in turn, led to a dramatic rise in crime rates in a number of U.S. cities. For example:
•Through the first five months of 2015 in New York, the incidence of murder was 20% higher than for the same period a year earlier, and shooting incidents were up 9%.


•During the three months that followed August 2014 (when Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, Missouri), homicides in nearby in St. Louis city rose 47%, and robberies in St. Louis County increased by 82%.


•After the protests and riots over the April 12, 2015 death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore, shootings in that city increased by more than 60% compared to the same period a year earlier. In May 2015, Baltimore recorded 43 murders—the most in any month since August 1972.


•From January to mid-May of 2015 in Milwaukee, homicides were up 180% compared to the same period in 2014.


•From January through March of 2015 in Houston, murders were up nearly 100% compared to the same period in 2014.


•From January 1 through May 24, 2015 in Chicago, shootings were up 25% and homicides were up 18% compared to the same period in 2014.


•From January through May of 2015 in Los Angeles, shootings were up 23% and other violent crime was up 25% compared to the same period in 2014.

For 2015 as a whole, America's 56 largest cities experienced a 17% rise in homicides; in 10 heavily black cities, murders increased by more than 60%.

Moreover, some criminals deliberately made police officers the targets of their violence. Less than three weeks after Mayor de Blasio's December 2014 condemnation of police in New York, for instance, a black gunman named Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot and killed two uniformed NYPD officers, execution-style, as they sat in their marked police car. In a Facebook message he had posted just prior to carrying out his double murder, Brinsley made it explicitly clear that his motive was to avenge the recent deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

And of the nineteen police officers nationwide who were killed in the line of duty (by gunshot, assault, or vehicular assault) during the first five months of 2015, ten were killed in the month of May alone; i.e., the month following the Freddie Gray riots in Baltimore.

The spike in urban violence nationwide continued into 2016. During the first quarter of that year, homicides in the nation's 63 largest cities increased by 9%, while nonfatal shootings were up 21%. For the statistics on rising violence rates in a number of specific cities, click here. Manhattan Institute scholar Heather Mac Donald characterized this spike in urban violence -- and in attacks on the police -- as "The Ferguson Effect" -- a reference to the rage and anti-police hatred sparked by the aforementioned police shooting of Michael Brown, a young black man in Ferguson, Missouri.

These attacks against police officers, and the aforementioned increases in urban crime, are not at all troubling to BLM, because, notwithstanding the movement's constant professions of deep concern about black lives, the reality is quite different. What matters most to BLM is finding a spark—e.g., allegations of police vigilantism—that can be used to ignite a race war; to take America back to the “long hot summers” of the 1960s, when criminals were seen as radical “heroes,” police had a bull's-eye on their backs, and the streets of America’s inner cities ran red with fantasies of “revolutionary violence.”



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#1232184 - Mon Jun 22 2020 03:54 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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So you’re just like BLM if the murdering of cops are done from a right wing group?

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#1232187 - Mon Jun 22 2020 04:37 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
Wonder Boy
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From the opening Forbes article link:

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by Tommy Beer, Forbes


TOPLINE

The FBI announced Tuesday that Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered law enforcement officers in California during protests earlier this month, was associated with the right-wing Boogaloo movement, and that Carrillo chose the timing of his attacks to "take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."


KEY FACTS


•Last week, Carrillo was charged with murder after he ambushed Santa Cruz deputies and threw pipe bombs at police on June 6, killing Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and wounding four other officers.

•On Tuesday, the FBI announced Tuesday that Carrillo has also been federally charged with the murder of federal security officer Pat Underwood, who was killed in a drive-by shooting on May 29 in Oakland.

•A suspected accomplice, Robert Alvin Justus Jr., has been arrested as well.

•Justus was allegedly the driver of the van used in both the Oakland Federal Building shooting and the Santa Cruz attack.

•Before he was apprehended, Carrillo reportedly scrawled the word "boog" and "I became unreasonable" in blood on the hood of a car.

•"Boog" is short for boogaloo, which, according to NBC News, is a far-right anti-government movement that began on the extremist site 4chan and aims to start a second American civil war.

•The phrase "I became unreasonable" has seemingly become a meme in public Boogaloo communities on Facebook.

•Authorities say they also found a "boogaloo" patch in the van the duo used.


KEY BACKGROUND:

During Tuesday's press conference, FBI agent Jack Bennett said Carrillo and Justus purposefully chose the protest as the locality of the killing to blend in better and to take advantage of community grief over the police killing of George Floyd. "There is no evidence that these men had any intention to join the demonstration in Oakland … They came to Oakland to kill cops," Bennett said. Carrillo has been charged with 19 felonies related to the attack, and the charges carry enhancements of "lying in wait," which means that Carrillo will be eligible for the death penalty. However, prosecutors have not said if they will pursue death. According to an ATF official, the weapon used in the fatal shootings was a homemade so-called ghost gun without a serial number. "This firearm is a machine gun with a silencer attached to its barrel," said the official.

TANGENT:

Attorney General William Barr and other top government officials, including President Trump, have frequently blamed Antifa activists for the violence stemming from recent demonstrations in the wake of George Floyd's death. However, last week NPR published a review of court documents of 51 individuals facing federal charges related to protests, and none is alleged to have links to the Antifa movement. Among all the cases brought by the Justice Department thus far, the only extremist group mentioned in court documents is the right-wing "Boogaloo movement."

CRITICAL QUOTE:

"Elements of The Boogaloo have evolved from a gathering of militia enthusiasts and Second Amendment advocates into a full-fledged violent extremist group, which inspires lone wolf actors and cell-like actors alike," said Joel Finkelstein, director of the Network Contagion Research Institute. "Given recent events and the inability of law enforcement to grasp and intercept this new mode of distributed terror, we think an increase in these kinds of violent attacks against police are almost inevitable."



It seems to me this Forbes piece bends over backwards to dismiss that Antifa had any part in the protest violence. Whereas in truth Antifa cannot be PROVEN to have orchestrated violence. Despite that many individuals can be seen in video of the protests in any city wearing the Antifa uniform, and were arrested with knapsacks full of rocks and incendiary devices that are clearly part off the Antifa operating tactics and training. What I've seen is that many Democrat police officials, city council, mayors and district attorneys, simply refuse to prosecute Antifa activists arrested, for political reasons. Even in the videotaped attack on reporter Andy Ngo. They have the evidence, they just refuse to prosecute it.

In this particular "right wing" case, all I see is one guy who did all this, with a second un-indicted guy who is believed to be the driver of the van this Carillo character fired on police from. One guy. Without specifics, this article implies "they" (who? ATF? FBI? DOJ?) are concerned this will inspire other crimes. While Carillo is one guy working alone, he has exploited memes online for other white supremacists, in an attempt to incite others he doesn't know to do similar attacks. There is "concern" (again, specificaally who? not disclosed) that he will inspire other attacks. But there is no evidence others share his ideology and thirst for similar violenct attacks.

Law enforcement has Carillo in custody, they have his self-incriminating posts online, they have the murder weapon, and apparently are closing in on Justus, Carillo's driver in the attacks. It seems clear this jerk will spend the rest of his life in jail.

I don't know what you expect me to be concerned about, as you paint this as equal threat of "right wing" violence, from a guy in custody who is an army of one. As compared to a widespread Black Lives Matter movement that talks on their site about "killing all white babies" with a rabid hatred that equals or surpasses the KKK, and has a membersship that exceeds the KKK (the KKK nationwide is estimated to have about 5,000 members).

I'd like to give acknowledgement to the deaths of police officers David Dorn and Patrick Underwood who were killed during the riots and looting of the last few weeks. By everything reported, they were kind and exceptional men, whose deaths were tragic and pointless.
Whatever end of the political spectrum their killers came from, I want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail.

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#1232188 - Mon Jun 22 2020 05:25 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Wonder Boy]
Matter-eater Man
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Is this the part you consider bending over backwards?
“ Attorney General William Barr and other top government officials, including President Trump, have frequently blamed Antifa activists for the violence stemming from recent demonstrations in the wake of George Floyd's death. However, last week NPR published a review of court documents of 51 individuals facing federal charges related to protests, and none is alleged to have links to the Antifa movement. Among all the cases brought by the Justice Department thus far, the only extremist group mentioned in court documents is the right-wing "Boogaloo movement."”

Glad you could at least acknowledge that killing cops is wrong no matter the political spectrum but you still downplay what these 2 from the far right group did. The guy who chose to drive the cop killer around to carry out the killing for example somehow doesn’t count why?

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#1232189 - Mon Jun 22 2020 05:39 PM Re: Right wingers kill some cops [Re: Matter-eater Man]
Wonder Boy
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I made clear that a lot of Democrat local leaders block the prosecution of Antifa, despite their guilt.

Including the Antifa attackers of reporter Andy Ngo, who came very close to dying or being crippled for life with a brain injury from multiple **FILMED** Antifa attackers, none of whom have been prosecuted because of Democrat leadership in Seattle who obstruct a prosecution. The same in cities nationwide, where Democrat leaders immediately released without charges the Antifa types arrested, to the deep frustration of the police officers who arrested them.

That proves my case,right there.
Democrats who only want to prosecute a "right winger", and scuttle the case for prosecuting any liberal/Antifa "left-wingers".



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