Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
To clarify when Pariah says "we" he actually isn't speaking for most of us.


So you believe that if it were put up to a democratic vote, then federalism would beat out secessionist statism?

There's no doubt in my mind that states like Minnesota, Seattle, or New York would vote in. But you're drastically overestimating the pro-union attitudes of the people as a whole. At this point, even the leftists in California want to succeed.