Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man
It goes without saying Trump and his propagandists are going to try to make the left look as radical as possible.


If citing the quantifiable voting record of the Democrat candidates and their clear radicalism makes the messenger a "propagandist".
THAT is face-saving propaganda spin of the Democrat/Left.

And many of the groups cited in the article are Democrat/Left watch groups who track Democrat legislators' loyalty to the Democrat-progressive cause. In their eyes, not in that of "Trump propagandists" are these candidates at 100% loyalty or close to it, and are measurably to the Left of even Marxist "Democratic-Socialist" Bernie Sanders. Don't blame conservative reporters who accurately quote the Left's own count of these Senators' voting records.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
Looking at an issue like health care though there is obviously a difference between candidates. Trump’s efforts have left more people without insurance.


Actually, the Democrats' own PRE-PLANNED implosion of Obamacare, in a scheme to replace it with single-payer/socialized healthcare is what has caused less people to be insured.
However I do blame both Trump and Republicans for not having come up with a healthcare plan of their own and a better alternative in the 10 years since Obamacare was passed into law by both houses and President Obama. Literally 10 years since 2010. 7 years since its implementation in 2013.
If I were president (or the Republican party before or during Trump's reign) I would send experts to study the 10 or 20 nations with the best healthcare plans in the world, and then come back and talk to healthcare experts in this country on how to customize that and refine it for the best healthcare program here. That Republicans haven't done so says to me that they just haven't made a priority of doing so.
Democrats don't care more about people because they implemented Obamacare, they created Obamacare as a means to implement centralized control over U.S. citizens. It's just a means of centralized control and power to cosolidate Democrat power and a permanent majority.

And Democrats deliberately set up a system in 2010 that was planned to fail (phase 1), to rationalize ending Obamacare at what was planned to be the beginning of President Hillary Clinton's reign, to bail it out with nationalized healthcare, what Dems wanted all along (phase 2!)
Deliberately planning a system that would cause millions of Americans to lose their private heathcare plans, while simultaneously orchestrating a crisis where millions more on Obamacare would lose their healthcare in a planned collapse, definitely does NOT show Democrats care more. It shows that Democrats deliberately deceived those who trusted them, and were betrayed. Or as Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber phrased it (caught on videotape) it "relies on the stupidity of the American voter".

And you can measure the American voter's lack of support of Obamacare, and the betrayal they feel, by how over 1,000 Democrat Senators, House members, and state and local Democrats have been voted out of office as a direct reaction and opposition to Obama's policy.
While I blame Republicans for not making priority of a better alternative, that doesn't mean there is popular support for Obamacare, or that Obamacare is or was working, before Trump or during Trump. Don't blame Trump for Obamacare's failure.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
All the democrats are for increasing coverage true but there is a big difference between them. Sanders plan would entirely get rid of employer insurance for [replacing it with?] a government one.
Klobuchar & Buttigieg on the other hand wouldn’t get rid of the old system but give people the option of a government one. Those are huge differences imho. And as Trump runs the deficit up with tax cuts for the wealthy he’s proposing cuts in Medicare and other safety net programs.


I trust the Democrats as far as I can throw a piano (i.e., not at all).
Democrats assure us they wouldn't do things ("if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan", not giving healthcare to illegal immigrants, ATF's Obama orchestrated "fast and furious" as a scheme for blaming gun retailerss and taking away 2nd Amendment gun rights, on and on) ...and once Democrats have conned the public into electing them, they do them anyway.

And with your alleged concern about debt: You again had no concern about debt while Obama was racking up annual deficits at well over $1 trillion a year. Obama racked up more debt in his 8 years thaan every previous president combined.

That said, not eliminating deficits is my biggest disappointment with Trump. As I've said before, I think Trump couldn't get re-elected if he cut deficits in his first term, the Democrats would hypocritically demonize him for it.
I hope that is something Trump addresses in his second term, when he doesn't have to worry about re-election. Trump needed to accumulate accomplishments in his first term and gain popular support from that, which he has done, the most accomplisshed presidency in 50 years, before he use that political capital to take on debt reduction.