Originally Posted By: lying SHITBAG M E M said

...while shitbag tweeted about liberating MN...


When you use that kind of rhetoric, M E M, YOU are the "shitbag". I've detailed at length all the things that Trump has done to protect the country that no other president would have done. If Obama or Hillary or Biden were president now, tha casualties would be in the millions, as originally estimated.

Your side that exonerates the TRUE architects of this genocide, the Chinese are the ones who are demonstrably evil. They side with murderous communist propagandists against our own country. And in the examples of Joseph Biden and son Hunter Biden and the Clintons, are paid off well in the tens of millions for betraying us.

If your party had the presidency, we would be doomed.
With your party having the slightest shred of power, they are doing their best to undermine and destroy us anyway, through their obstruction, inaction, and pro-China propaganda.

I didn't see specifics listed for the "welfare states" that are allegedly saving the day in European populations. Italy, Germany, Spain, and France suffered terribly and had huge losses. "Herd immunity" was attempted in Britain, and then aborted because of massing losses.
The "welfare state" approach was just to let the virus run wild and run its course through the population. Early on, Merkel in Germany estimated that at least 80% fo the population would get the virus. The only saving grace in Germany is that they early on ordered tens of thousands of ventilator machines for those anticipated to be hospitalized, and even so, were nearly overwhelmed. Alone among European nations, Germany had high hospitalizations but few deaths. In Spain, a princess of the royal family was among those who died. None of that sounds like salvation by the welfare state to me.


 Originally Posted By: M E M
To be clear the Governors are following the federal guidelines that Trump is basically playing both ways.


That's a flatout lie. Trump didn't order any state to arrest a man for playing ball in a park with his 6 year old daughter, or to fine Christians $500 each for congregating in a parking lot in separate cars to listen to their pastor's radio broadcast. Or to release prisoners to rob, while closing gun shops so residents can't exercise their 2nd Amendment right to defend themselves. Or to selectively close those conservative businesses, while leaving open liquor stores, Marijuana shops, and abortion clinics. Trump didn't order Governor Whitmer of Michigan to buy some things in a store, but not allow them to buy lawn-seed or paint. If they were in shelter-at-home, these purchases would allow them to pass the time at home doing repairs and home improvements. It was Democrat governors who arbitrarily decided on these conservative-targeting over-reaches, NOT on Trump's orders, but exerting Democrat over-reaches that stirred rebellion against Trump's guidelines.

 Originally Posted By: M E M
The last couple of days conservative groups have organized protests against the governors for following those federal guidelines.


No, that's a lie and a distortion. The protests were against arbitrary, excessive and partisan over-reaches, NOT against the federal guidelines themselves. As I've made clear in detail where the two separate.